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Ah nice
There are no checkpoints in the runs, right?
quitting in a safe area saves the game
you can return to continue
dont use give up, it resets you back to pre run
But I can't save my progress at some point and always start from there again, I assume
you cant
👍
Cursed Slash is a good boon?
Make sure to talk to Hypnos, he always has good advice
I believe Cursed Slash is generally regarded as a really bad one
is that the one applying weak on hit?
Its a cool effect but the penalty is too harsh
no it's life steal on hit but reduces HP by 60%
Cursed Slash is a hammer upgrade for the sword that reduces your max health by 60% but heals you for 2hp every time you hit something
Not even life steal
that sounds really bad, lol 😄
Is just a flat 2 hp heal
just heal yeah
Have not seen it in game yet.
it's pretty bad
You need to pick it once.. and then never again
Don't tell me it is getting forced on me 😬
I dont know, maybe there is a magical combination of boons that would make it good
Its sort of a minor spoiler, but you get a list of tasks, one of those tasks is to pick each hammer upgrade for the sword
F
Its fun, not sure if good
90 flat dmg
The sword overall I think has pretty low impact hammers, nothing really stands out
I'll try to beat this run so should i trade or just get the Hunter Dash? https://prnt.sc/vbnx9b
Except for cursed slash, in a bad way
+38% dmg looks really good imo, but I'm a noob 😅
Both are good tbh, and both apply on dash strikes, which is a good move for the sword
But Idk
You can go either way
Ty
Dash attack still applies attack-effects, so essentially hunter dash can stack with other attack effects
Yeah
For the mirror is there a best talent for each of the two? Or is it just preference based
Preference, really
And what you want from your in-run builds, selected weapons
So preference
Got it, thank you
Good luck out there
haha thanks, I'd say I'm doing okay in my runs
Preference, although there are some that's arguably better at early stage
Hey, digmouse, i did reset my mirror
later on you can (and will) incorporate mirror choices into you runs once you have more control over RNG
How do i unlock the Aspect of ??? for the weapons. Ignore this if it involves major spoilers.
#h1-story-discussion 2nd pin
Thanks!
@jolly pecan ||the Hades fight is spoilers in this channel, please use shoulder tags||
@pastel cipher My apologies
lmfao love your name and pic
By the gods it's really disheartening to get all the way to the surface, only to die to ||Hades||
But I'll keep going
yikes, I forgot I have discord spoilers disabled xx. Suprise is gone 😦 Fixed the setting so I don't screw it up next time 😅
i finally beat ||hades|| but now i have a question. what is ||heat|| exactly
Adjustable ||difficulty modifiers||
Max level is specific for each weapon
Increases each clear
oh thanks
You can overfill by the way, it'll do the lowest then go to the next
Questions, in the heat menu there is an option called "Damage Control" it shows a blue hearth, and says ignore 1 instance of damage per hit. does that count per swing or just the first swing? Also is the blue hearth the icon for Armor or does it mean something else ?
It means that the first instance of damage on the enemy will be ignored
So per fight you will loose 1 hitpoint in the total fight against that mob ?
Oh no no, the mob will ignore the first instance of damage you inflict on it
Ok so 1 swing is lost if I would start with a swing
Essentially
However it will be consumed on taking any form of damage
Casts, traps, attacks, deflects.
So fast hitting weapons are great to go against DC
Thanks for clearing that up. I am trying to figure out which one to go with but it seems that since Iam going with the sword this one seems a good one to go with.
Well if you're starting, then I suggest getting used to Extreme Measures since that will most likely be a staple at higher heats
EM1 and 2 are trivial so it's very popular to just enable them at low heat
Agreed
Do you guys have any good tips for the Elysium boss? I have a pretty good setup rn and just got Premium Styx Kiss so I wanted to see if I can beat them second try
focus the bull first
Yeah focus the bull and try to keep a pillar between you and Theseus as much as possible so he doesn't clip you with his Javelin
It took me a few tries to beat them
You need to learn their patterns
You’ll have bad days when you’ll die to them still but you’ll be able to beat them easily 🙂
Yeah this try I was close to finishing the Minotaur, but I didn't watch out for Theseus spear and got hit twice...
I think I'll need more damage output
can someome|| explain me in the mirror the thing called privilegend status/family favorite and whats it is doing||
||Privileged Status|| is a damage boost if your target is afflicted by two "status curses", basically debuffs from the various gods
||Family Favorite|| just gives you a passive damage boost based on how many different gods you currently have boons from
Jolted Rupture Exposed Doom Marked Weak Hangover Chill
I prefer FF as it enables more builds and makes regular encounters quicker and easier
It is for sure the easier one to handle of the two
Hiya! Newbie here!
I have played just 4 hours or so, such a good game honestly.
I have a question about the weapons.
Should I pick one and learn that and just grind with that weapon or should I swap around to get the titan blood? Currently in the story idk what the bloods do.
I also see that one of the weapons each attempt glow purple, that's only for bonus points right?
So no need to equip said weapon unless I want the farm mats or am I thinking wrong?
PS is better for bosses and mini bosses
although PS is a bit more damage when you know how to use it
Yeah, the glowing weapon gives you bonus darkness
Always use purple weapon 🙂
PS is better for bosses and mini bosses
@quaint nebula PS?
But you can use any weapon you want if you dont care
i am using spear rn
Always Dark Thirst 🙂
and made it to the bone hydra after first four hours
Before you've beaten the final boss you can only get a titan blood for each weapon from the first boss, so I'd advice you to do that
Although practicing and beating the final boss with a favorite weapon is of course also an option
I only ask because there's weapons I can barely get past the first boss, but with the spear I get to Theseus and The Minotaur. So I've definitely found a weapon I like :p
oh so basically beat meg with each weapon?
I only ask because there's weapons I can barely get past the first boss, but with the spear I get to Theseus and The Minotaur. So I've definitely found a weapon I like :p
wow you much better than me
Is there a especially good aspect for any weapon? I only have 3 blood so I dont want to waste any, I have just gotten the possibility to aspect
I unlocked them all before levelling any up
Really before you've beaten the final boss any aspect is fine with any weapon, it's more about finding one you like the playstyle of
wow you much better than me
and to think i did bastion 100% :/
And every run I play the dark thirst weapon next aspect
Are you able to retrieve the titan blood in exchange for locking the aspect after you bought it?
and to think i did bastion 100% :/
I don't even know what bastion is xD
No, but you can eventually get more titan blood anyway, but it's a bit of a long process
I don't even know what bastion is xD
@craggy sage MUST PLAY it. on sale too
I'll check it out.
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#bastion same devs xD
Ah, I see. Is it the same concept?
You can trade 5 keys for a nectar, 10 nectar for a diamond, 2 diamond for an ambrosia and then that ambrosia for a titan blood
Ah, I see. Is it the same concept?
@craggy sage it feels same yet very different
You can also sometimes get limited deals at the trader for 15 keys = 1 titan blood
Any 🙂
🙂
Should be noted that the fist weapons benefit a lot from boons that are particularly good with quick attacks, but even then percentage buffs are fine too
So yeah, Dio, Zeus and ||Demeter|| are pretty good in particular, Athena is an honorable mention because your fast attacks will often deflect random stuff
I'd say Doom is a little iffy, but the others are usually fine
You can’t really go wrong with boons
you can go wrong with the timing for boons
There’s always Sisyphus and purging if you mess up 😉
Like the ones that increase health gained or boon rarity
Oh that brings me to another question. Which Boon is the "best"
I'm assuming it's dependent on playstyle and what type of weapon you use.?
picking those late in the run are less than effective 😄
Side Hustle is best 😉
It really is a "it depends" because boons lose and gain value depending on what you have already
But if you really force an answer out of me I'd say something like Greatest Reflex
Because it's just kind of generally good with any build
What's the stats on that one?
Divine Dash I guess also is close
The Aphrodite attack I would say is generally the best for any aspect
Greatest reflex just gives you more dash charges
Highest attack multiplier and one of the best debuffs, Weak
1, 2 or 3 depending on rarity of the boon
I see, thanks
Btw, the reflect on attack, what drops those? I've seen them twice and they're disgustingly good
Also Divine Dash, hard to say no to that one since it's so generally good as a defensive dash
Athena deals in all deflect things
Athena does the Reflect boons
(Yellow shield-y icon)
Guess I'm making Athena my God for a bit, lmao
Athena is the best
Gotta find her again and give her the gift
I love Poseidon though
He's fun with the knock back
He has a lot of interesting boons for sure
Haha, nice
Oh yeah, he's also good for farming
Can you have as many boons/actives as you want or is there a cap?
No limit
I've seen the sell vendors but haven't really seen the use of it just yet.
No limit? Awesome!
The game may have a secret limit though
if you need gold and have boons you're not really using, they're pretty good
Nah, although do note that boons that buff "the same thing" from different gods will overwrite eachother but increase rarity, so if you have Dionysis dash but then find Athena dash she will overwrite it but increase rarity to rare (or epic/heroic if the previous dash was a higher rarity)
only time I'll do it is before the final boss
The game tells you when you're about to overwrite something however, so it's pretty clear
sell a poseidon legendary for an athena legendary or something like that 😄
it's possible a god will only give you replacements
There's legendaries? 🤓 (is joke)
I've only seen epic as the highest hahah
I'm guessing the keepsakes you want to wear is whomever you're going most for.
Haha, ofc there's gotta be legendaries! :D
I'm guessing the keepsakes you want to wear is whomever you're going most for.
What I mean is.
If you want to cash in most on Athena boons, you go with her keepsake.
At least it guarantees the first one, which is always nice
You could sort of put the boons into a tree for each god, like Athena will first offer boons that offer the ability to deflect, when you have something that deflects she can offer boons that debuff with exposed or increase damage of deflected attacks
and pretty much all gods work like this
Oh, yeah that makes sense. Now that you say it, I remember getting the same abilities more often on the first one.
In a very basic sense you could say that getting more boons from the same god is good since they tend to synergize with themselves
The thing that throws a wrench into this is duo boons, which means that they combine elements of two gods together to create a unique effect.
For instance, if you have something from Zeus that can shock enemies and something from Poseidon that knocks back, both of them have a chance now to offer you Sea Storm, that will shock enemies when they are knocked back
Indeed, the duos are pretty much the topper of a build
Do you have any preferred boons/duo boons for the spear?
I assume you speak of the normal aspect of spear?
Cause if so, Aphrodite on the special has never let me down
I haven't even gotten as far as to know what an aspect is. xD
Ahh I see. Apologies 😅
Haha, no worries
Athena on the attack is super fun cause you can make a nice big deflect spin
But I think I have a lot of fun with Poseidon on attack
Yeah I think a basic combo that works with basically any weapon is a doom applier from Ares and a deflect from Athena, Their duo is that your attacks that can deflect will instantly detonate the doom debuff
So you apply the doom and the blow it up with whatever your deflector is
Try experimenting! You'll eventually find out what works and what doesn't by your self 
Athena and Ares are legit the duo I was thinking of, no joke.
Good to see I'm not too far off haha.
and yeah, you'll likely run into a bunch of these by chance
Also very much like the zap effect from Zeus, the one that jumps between targets.
I had the zap with ricochet on my bow, that was nice for clearing out long distance
I like Zeus Attack on the really fast weapons since it just melts enemies mostly
Like the gloves?
The sword, fists and the gun mostly
I usually run zeus attack on gun and fists, but Ares has a higher dps on the fists.
with Merciful End that is
But since you'd have to build towards it, Zeus has much more consistency
I see
I was just wondering - after 60+ attempts I've only managed to beat the last boss 2 times....am I doing something wrong?
Do I plainly suck at the game? Or?
id say it depends.. im 55 runs in and havent even seen the final boss
like im just playing with god mode on to make sure i eventually do beat it.. but the game is just so fun i dont care if i lose or not
As long as you're having fun
Yeah, I agree on that, I still enjoy it very much. It's just that I also enjoy what happens after you beat it
So, I kinda want both hahaha
the ONE time i got mad was after i beat the hydra i stood in the fire to long and died XD
Still lots to learn though, build intuition, mirror, knowing enemy attack patterns
Hey. Everyone sucks when they start out.
Don't expect to be a god gamer on your first attempt.
Just have fun and the skill will come to you.
I mostly have trouble over at elysium
Having fun is the most important part.
If you're not having fun, you won't improve.
My fav weapon are the fists! But I do like the incentive to use all weapons
I try to mix it up by using the one with extra darkness
I've also been looking at some videos on YT, but it seems some ppl really know what boons to plan for etc
I'm just going with what I get
best boons for bow?
Idk, probably related to artemis?
best boons for bow?
@nova owl
Check the pins
People know what boons to use based on experience I guess, the codex upgrade helps a lot when planning
trying to specific duos or theme of a build tends to be what I do
Can someone help me with two questions about the boons system?
1- How can i improve my chances (strategy) of getting more boons of a specific god?
2- I don't really get how the replacement boons work, many times i try to get a random attack boon at the first biome (tartarus) hoping to replace it later, but its normally really hard to find replacement boons in general, and its even harder to find replacement from the god you want.
replacement boons are extremely rare; its like a 1% chance or something
you're much better off just leaving your slot open than taking something not great and hoping for a swap
getting the gods you want is mostly about using god keepsakes
its also good to be aware that the game will stop offering you new gods once you have four (chaos and hermes don't count for this)
Yeah banking on a swap is not the way to go
If you need something specific in the slot leave it open and then equip the keepsake of the relevant deity
Also you eventually get rerolls which help a lot for executing builds consistently
Thanks for the information!
Did not know about the 4 god rules, also it makes sense now that i never find replacement.
I need to get a better understanding of the boon system in general, i am trying to get legendary following the wiki requirements, but its really hard to get all you need to maybe get a legendary boon.
Ahhh, rerolls may help, did not know about that.
u can increase the chance with a lot of ways
The wiki is outdated I found
some is, but mostly the system stays the same
In-game codex is the best source of specific information on requirements
yeah if you've unlocked the codex use that; the wiki may not be completely updated from EA
Yeah
Like I’m pretty sure the info on Zeus legendary isn’t current
Most legendaries right now only require a few perks, so they’re reasonably consistent when you get far enough
i don't think the prereqs for splitting bolt were changed
I can’t remember if it’s the wiki or another site
But I saw one that said you needed both splitting bolt and one of two other perks
And that just wasn’t right
yeah double strike, high voltage or storm lightning is what the wiki says
that's correct
yeah that's what is says
Might be confusing it with another site then
wait
Also, which conditions from the pact are "Easy/safe"? i am using the time one for now, but i need more to farm titan blood.
Either way the in-game codes is 100% accurate
you found something that said in order to get splitting bolt, you need to have splitting bolt?
EM1 and EM2 is actually easy
the name of the zeus legendary is splitting bolt
One of either the double lightning strike one or another that I forgey
But you really just need one
Yeah
And the one with extra bounces has minimal prereqs
Also, which conditions from the pact are "Easy/safe"? i am using the time one for now, but i need more to farm titan blood.
@gilded galleon EM1-3 and MM is quite simple to overcome
The traps one isn’t bad either
the traps is bad vs final boss
^
MM and HS both have situations where they can be annoying; I'd recommend starting with TD1 and EM1-2
they're both fine
TD2 if you can do runs under 28 mins consistently
i legit feel EM3 is easier than normal ones
i kinda agree, but its kinda setup dependant
What on the final boss is a trap?
Urns
I’ve used it almost every run and haven’t noticed lol
the green urns that normally stuns you for 30 damage
HS brings that up to uh 150?
If the traps of Styx didn't kill you, the urns will
I have an issue with timers so I never use the tight deadline. I used the traps one all the way up to 16 heat tho
I just hate the feeling of being on a timer
||I'd say UC when you have maxed Fated Persuasion, DC1-2 is easy heat on anything that isn't too slow like bows, Hestia rail||
||JS1-3, BP1-2 are also worth considering though if you usually struggle with armoured mobs in Elysium, then keep BP for later||
What's a good build for trying to survive with ||Guan Yu||
try Athena attack
Also if you’re using a high single target dps weapon like ||Chiron|| bow it’s better to crank up enemy hp, and if you’re using something with good crowd control like any Zeus build you can add extra enemies without much fuss
can build towards Merciful End or Deadly Reversal or something else
That's the instant doom one?
Yeah
Tbh my best builds with ||Guan Yu|| have been special and doom based builds
my ||16 heat|| run was actually just simply ||EM4, BP2, JS1|| which isn't a whole lot of conditions
Athena dash, had Hermès +1 dash
I recently ran Dio attack+Ares spec towards Curse of Nausea on hidden spear and it's good fun as well
..was a farming run though with only ||JS3|| so I can't tell you how effective is that really is
I had Aphro+Ares for the continuous doom procs and runrunrun
I’m not following the acronyms, but if that’s the boss one, yeah it gives a crap ton of heat
Depends, I havent tried the ||EM4|| final fight yet
||EM4|| is mainly to spice up the final fight for me honestly
Gotta see what I think about it myself :P
But normally the final fight is no issue for me anymore
no pain if u using poseidon call + zeus/aphro duo
oh that's a good idea actually
A fair number of my successful runs I feel like I could have done ||em4|| based on what I've heard about it. Especially when I got pumped up blizzard shot with extra casts
When the reason for me losing my DDs start turning from "I'm bad" to "I'm dumb", it's generally pretty good
||EM4|| is an experience you gotta try out for yourself
Maybe there's more to it than I realize, it doesn't sound that spectacular
Course I gotta get through ||em3|| first
||its kinda more of the same, but the restricted vision is annoying||
ymmv in any case
But that means I gotta stop doing random conditions, it's too much fun
and like, manually put ||EM4|| in there
em3 is arguably easier than the normal ones in most stuations imo
Most damage I take from normal theseus and bull is from just barely misjudging where to stand to be behind a pillar
Yeah the Theseus noscopes are too hard
though melee against ||EM3|| Asterius can be rather tricky
Asterius should probably always spin out of his second phase, and spin more often in general for that fight to be proper hard
True
asterius melee only tricky with FO imo
Haha Bull go brrrr
The diamonds, should I save them for something special? Because right now I'm at the place where I can ||free Orpheus from the contractor with 1 diamond||
all contracts u buy for prophecies is worth it
So he's a prophecy then? 😛
You should know that after upgrading the contractor's table there will be work orders to augment blue laurel chambers to have additional rewards on top of the usual gems/darkness/keys/nectar
those take diamonds
but you won't have enough from the starting amount you get with all 6 weapons before winning a run
you need to win then ||use the pact|| to get more diamonds
FYI
TLDR just.. spend it
How do you make it so that you can ||use meg against hades||?
You get access after the credits!
||max her affinity?||
just keep playing, at some point ||Hades will allow companions from those work under the House||
Lol that’s random
||Is Charon an option?||
@blissful widget For?
companionship
Nope
sad
Sadly no
I don't recall the specifics of the prereqs for when he does that though
We could all use some more rich boatman in our lives 😔
fr tho
I’m still waiting on the ||sisyphus|| dialogue lol
I’ve done like 40 runs
It still hasn’t triggered
Yeah nyx has more important things to talk about apparently
Do make sure you got all the prerequisites!
oh that
The dialogue is still rng, but don't worry! It'll take a while
I still need ||nyx to tell me where the scroll is||
||Why am I so bad at fishing like||
I suck at it too
Froggy?!
Lol
and lost it
I’ll press F next time
forget boss fights, fishing is the real challenge in this game
exactly
It’s true
||Meg = EZ Hydra = EZ Theseus and Minotaur = EZ fishing = hard||
||I stack my Death Defiance for the final battle but I always waste them when trying to get last minute boons and the satyr sack||
I’m still getting in the habit of using it, I forget a lot
Yeah
Well those enemies suck
||The poison hurts so much that I end up going to Hades with one DD lol||
That poison is impossible for me to consistently avoid
exactly
I save 1-2 in case I get a mini boss there
The gems are fine
I’m usually playing so chaotic that I don’t even recognize I’m poisoned until it’s already taken half my HP
And those rats can go to hell
satyrs are agents of the fates
the poison hurts so much that when I kill all the rats
they cannot be dodged
I get yeeted by the gems
I like reflecting the darts
I always try to get deflect
Deflect attack is great on the spear for me but like
My best runs tend to have a lot of Athena
I've tried Deflect Dash and I find it okay
Deflect dash is great
I prefer lots of Hermes, Artemis, and Demeter
love the speed from hermes
and the bonus damage when you stack other bonus attack damage boons
For most builds you always want to take Hermes when you can, yeah
Coins are always good
Attack speed is usually helpful, as are the extra dashes
Any tips for the duo in ely? I’ve gotten there a few times but thes keeps killing me and I don’t know what else to do
What weapon are you using
they mean the bosses
He means how to kill the boss
Oh right but still
For most focus ||asterius|| down first
do you have access to ||admin chamber|| yet
I can't seem to find Athena, is it completely random or can I "force"/increase my odds of getting her boon? I need to gift her an offering to get the keepsake 😦
I was using the spear the last run. Used gun and shield but DD lost when I fought miniboss
Honestly I've now beat them with every weapon and one thing I'd have to say is use slows
But some builds can kill ||theseus|| very quickly, as he has much less hp
Have you made it to the surface yet?
It's random though, mind that this is speculation of my own, the game tries to not repeat gods within two consecutive runs
Spear just kinda sucks imo
I love the reach on it
It’s the same range as machine gun attack roughly
Achilles spear is too up close and personal for my liking so I've been using Zag Spear
so let's say you get Zeus, Posiedon, Artemis, Aphrodite in one run then for next run you won't see those four again
I really liked it. Can’t reach the surface yet because those 2 mess me up
I see @frosty basin
I just can't seem to find her hmm 😦
I want to try Guan Yu's aspect but

i hear it's not as good now
Does my keepsake being Zeus affect it in any way?
The first one is always Zeus
Obviously
True, true,,
Do you get a hammer occasionally at start yet?
Or is that due to reaching the surface or something?
Yes I've gotten it few times
god keepsake will make sure you find their boons as early as possible
okay cool
though hammer, Hermes might be in the way
On spear I usually go for the upgrade that makes you have a longer range and do more damage to farther enemies
I love the spear honestly
Just so I can poke and vibe
On spear I usually switch to a different weapon
change my mind
spear is great
I just can't use the achilles aspect anymore
causes my death in asphodel so much
Also @uneven wing once you start getting weapon ||aspects|| things get much, much easier
yes
My first time killing all bosses minus untitled end boss were with Aegis but
half of the time I would die so I don't particularly like aegis without aspects
Yeah shield was my first clear too
fists is my first clear
||aspect of poseidon|| is a good one to unlock early because it’s very useful without much blood investment
i never use sword tho
Sword is easy to kill bosses with but I really don't like it without deflect
Cool, but I’m sure you can appreciate that some people do lol
yeah yeah definitely
||aspect of poseidon|| also plays totally differently
The witches just hurt sooo much without deflect
Honestly the best aspects to first unlock varies widely between people
Of course personal preference factors in lol
Eris rail is speedrunner meta but that needs some blood investment too beyond the unlocking cost
But for some of the ||aspects||, a big part of their value is a numerical boost that requires nearly maxing it
For others, they’re useful right away on unlock
All else equal, those are good ones to shoot for early
pick the weapon you like the most, pick the ||aspect|| of its kit you like the most - attack, special, attack+ like spin attack or bull rush etc
Since I find that ||aspects|| tend to focus on a part of a weapon's kit
I cleared harpies with everything I think so I’m on a weird try and fail system to beat the big baddie
In order to get blood
Aside from writing it down pre- first clear, can you track which weapons you defeated what with?
you can track weapon bounties after you beat the game for the first time
before then you'll just have to remember
or write it down or something
Thought so. Thanks
Are the blood/diamonds sold at Charon's final shop a one time per weapon/heat level thing, or can I keep going through 0 heat to farm them if I want
Assuming I can actually get there with enough money anyway
You can keep going with 0 heat though I dont recommend it
It would be faster to just turn up the heat
the shop is always there iirc
It is
I assumed the shop itself would always be there I was just wondering if the blood would be replaced by a different item if I've already bought it previously
That slot is always a 50/50 between diamond and TB
And yeah so far I have all the blood & diamonds from the furies/hydra on heat 0 or 1, can't get more until I beat a heat 1 run which I keep failing at
Debating whether to commit to an aspect and max it out
The one one ive maxed out is the first one for the spear
because its special is really good
easy backstabs and amazing upgrades
||Poseidon Sword|| is super fun, especially with an Artemis build with her legendary and exit wounds
I havent tried that one out yet
It’s so funny when you max out the heat gauge and the blurb that comes with it
U just used my first 2 bloods upgrading to the Poseidon sword. Got to last boss once but it seems inconsistent
Poseidon really benefits from heavy blood investment
Should I be saving the rest of my bloods or spending them? They seem very limited
your first few blood i'd spend some time thinking on, but there's more than enough blood for everything
I was a dummy and thought you could use multiple aspects together so I'd say save them at the beginning
They are. If you're unsure where to spend them, you can always buy the upgrades you want, go on a run to try them out, then quit the run (dont die) and you'll be back with all your blood refunded
On another note, ||I did just get Coronacht's secret aspect||
Just dont leave back to your room after spending blood either, that'll save
Good tip!
What keepsakes do you guys start out with for first encounter? Do you try and force a boon for your build?
I’ve been using the gold one but I feel like that is not optimal
I personally like the butterfly
I swap between pouch/godkeepsake/plume
depending on what kinda build I'm going for
Ill usually have +20% damage by the time I reach elisum.
Fates take the wheel I go pouch, want specific build- god keepsake, dodgefist? plume
Hmm interesting
I'm too bad to use butterfly lol
Id say butterfly makes you better at the game
@hybrid coyote Depending on how far I want to get, I change it up every boss fight
It gives you a strong incentive to really avoid taking damage
I usually go 1. Boon I want first 2. Second boon or chaos egg 3. third boon 4. Tooth
1 being before I escape, 4 being before I fight Elysium's boss
Ok thanks! I’m still very new so any tips are appreciated.
The game loves to throw curveballs at you when you least expect it.
Ya I love it lol got it yesterday and played for like 6 hours straight
itll probably be at least 25-30 attempts before you make it to the final boss.
I made it on my 23rd attempt but I lost. I had some janky ass build idk how I made it that far
How far did you make it?
In Elysium?
The final boss isn't in Elysium
SPOILERS
Idk how to do spoiler tag
but yeah Tartarus and Asterias arent the final boss
Their names are Theseus and Asterius
Oh right
It was after those dudes
First phase lol
For a brief moment I was able to read his mind when I asked that question
I had some janky doom build that took forever to kill. Took me like 10 mins to kill the bull and his friend
Kiting around the pillars
https://i.imgur.com/3WcNeh3.jpg This is what I saw
Also spoiler alert
||hades is still a prick afterwards||
I still wish I didnt have to fight Asterius. Like just talk to him instead.
at least asterius is noble
theseus is like, oh yeah mm yeah im epic, oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah and then he dies
I want to talk to him instead of fighting for once.
They are both cuties
I like Asterius more
Plenty of dialogue to be had in Asterius' miniboss room
I know but it always devolves into fighting
"Short one"
I dont mind being called short one by such a big boi
I mean... he is...correct
It gives you a strong incentive to really avoid taking damage
@spring jungle as if ur objective to purposefully getting hit in the first place
Maybe if you build for on damage effects but that seems maybe not so wise.
Okay, nyx is out of dialogue and she still hasn’t ||given me the location of the Sisyphus scroll||
Hades is also out of dialogue
Wtf
RNG has forsaken you.
You also need some dialogue from Meg and Achilles for that, I believe
I want to befriend Asterius and talk to him out of combat
I don't think Asterius does "out of combat" lol.
Sure. Fighting with Theseus in preparation for fighting you.
what does the door with an exclamation point mean?
That's an NPC chamber.
Pick it and find out!
Achilles is also out of dialogue for me
I’ve also seen the dialogue between meg and Sisyphus
No idea what’s going on
I’ll keep grinding it out, but does anyone know where exactly you get ||the scroll from the archives||?
It doesnt show up until Nyx mentions it
It’s possible I just didn’t see the dialogue and don’t know what to do now
Right, but where exactly is it?
It's an inspection point in the back
Do rewards go up as you get higher Heat levels ?
No, but you cant get the same rewards again with the same weapon
or well, the first kill rewards
So to get more, you gotta go up
You get new boss drops when you change weapons?
Yes
If you swap to the spear, you can get another titan blood from Meg for instance
Nice I didn't know that 🙂
Kind of encourages you to try all of them to make farming a little easier
Yeah
Before your first clear it’s a great idea to beat meg with all the weapons at least
Getting a decent ||aspect|| up to a reasonable level makes a big difference
Maxing out Zag aspects is okay as well, since those only take 5 blood and offer reasonable power boosts
the default aspect
@woeful venture ||Heat|| is actually spoilers here. 
How can I do the quest of || achilles || to gain || antos ||
I tried giving nyx some nectar, hopefully she’ll start talking again next run
Scroll wasn’t available unfortunately
At what point in the game can I move to the regular channel? Is it after beating the final boss in the final area?
I mean, you can go whenever you want
You might still see some spoilers in the other channels after beating the final boss if that's what you're worried about. But #h1-builds-and-combat should be safe at that point for the most part.
#h1-discussion doesn't allow spoilers either, so you should be fine there, too, after beating the final boss.
#h1-story-discussion I would avoid, though, for quite a bit. 
Is aspect of Guan Yu any good?
Not really, no. It can be fun, though!
I figured since It nerfs its entire moveset for the sake of lifesteal on a move that sucks
Spinning with GY is usually a trap, I straight up dont do it
Get charged skewer though, and it really shines
Doesnt that one affect its special though?
Guan Yu is pretty good, yeah.
Spin builds can be plenty strong with Divine Strike or Frost Strike.
If you want to do a spin build for the lifesteal, the #1 hammer to get is Massive Spin.
Id rather build special or attack
Though I like building special more because of how much fun it is
I'm still looking into optimizing Attack/Special builds for Guan Yu in the new patch. It changed a lot.
If you get the right spin upgrades guan yu is ez mode
I struggle with bosses with guan yu
And I feel like I need aphrodite on attack or special or I'll die
if u do a decent special build u just chunk bosses with guan u
u kinda need the hammer upgrade tho
It doesn't really need any hammer upgrades for a spin build. But they help for sure.
Guan Yu before the patch optimally was Special/Dash-Strike hybrid. That's why the new patch changed a lot. You can no longer do two Dash-Strikes in quick succession.
and idk if its that bad to rely on aphro somewhat, i mean its pretty good
The second Dash-Strike will instead become the second hit in the regular Attack combo, and then if you try to Dash-Strike immediately after that, you get the third hit in the combo.
Are you sure? Pretty sure you can delay the attack button press a bit and still get two dash attacks in
Can you do the ||Arthur|| thing and buffer the attacks with a dash inbetween?
You're not delaying it so much as to completely change the gameplay, is my point
Just adjust the timing
That's a big drop in DPS from before. That's why I'm still looking into optimizing it.
You're not delaying it so much as to reset the dash timer, even
It's a lot, and it's a lot slower. I don't know what your point is.
I haven’t even bothered to unlock it
Really not a fan of spear
All the other weapons make good sense to me
Holy wow. 2 health left with one DD left and I finally killed the 2 in Ely.

anyway hades is apparently ransomware
I have some weird scuffed setup with Ares Dio Artemis with no call or cast
Should be a way to let malwarebytes not be like that... antivirus softwares do stuff like that from time to time
I know, I meant there's probably a way to make Hades an exception. Interesting though
Based on what people tell us, Hades does ransom your life a bit
And cant clear P1, RIP
You'll get 'em next time, you got this 👍
Does anybody know a good way of fighting thesis since minataur is easy but I usually die once because of thesis
hug pillars
*hug Theseus
you can tell when hes about to throw spear, then hide behind a pillar
theseus always turns around after throwing a spear
its the best opportunity to attack him
Also what about giant rats
The poison is also annoying I reckon I'm good at hades but poison usually kills me to
Before I can cure
Just attack them from a distance
They're slow so you can get backstabs easily
Or just cast them down
both the spear and the fists can also stunlock the unarmored rats, so just standing still and mashing attack is an option
that also goes for the snake statues and satyrs for that matter
Hello everyone. I think I should have unlocked Chthonic Colleagues but the prophecy isn't complete. I'm missing chaos... but I already met chaos a few times, i even have her keepsake. Is this a known bug, or am i misunderstanding something ?
Chaos aint a C'thonic god is he
oh !!
I think I know who you're missing but it aint Chaos
i guess i'm missing someone else then
i wonder who it is, i have 22 runs (22 failed, ofc) and there are still some gods to unveil ? nice
Should be in Codex, no?
I don't know if this qualifies as a new player question or not, but does Divine Strike work with Shield Block?
No, blocking with the shield will not deflect projectiles
But will obviously block them

Well, that's okay I guess. I'm trying to structure a run around deflection, so I wanted to workshop that.
Chaos is under "chthonic god" in the codex 🙂
but there is indeed an "undiscovered" one also
It's probably the same person I'm missing but I'm sorta sure it's a spoiler
Ah, I guess they put him there instead of making an entire own category for him (and nyx I suppose)
It's... yeah, a spoiler
You're gonna have to see the credits first, boyo
Is it the one that sometimes shows up as Employee of the Month in the lounge?
Cause I know I haven't seen them
Oh, you might be missing Than then

anyway, yeah, building a run around using Athena's Deflect boons is what I'm trying for my 2nd possible clear. Not sure how good of an idea that is
i think you only need deflect on one button
That's pretty much it though
By combining the Aspect of Zeus shield with Divine Flourish, Brilliant Riposte, Empowering Flight, and Blinding Flash for the special attack
taking deflect on dash or attack/special (whichever one you press a lot) is really recommended for new players though
So I'm throwing a constant deflect zone that I'm using as cover that can hit multiple times so I can have constant Empowering Flight for +80% damage
Then pretty much combining that with Blinding Flash so I can get... what's the math... 205% damage from the back?
Plus I gambled on chaos once so I got another 38% attack damage so my backstab damage is... 240%
You sort of do, sort of don't
ah
Though you can use certain keepsakes to start it off
when i choose the keepsake of a god, that only work for the very first boon outside of my room, right ?
Like, I wanted to try using deflect with the special throw, so I used Athena's Keepsake to guarantee I started with the special
No
You can buy an upgrade that lets you change keepsakes after every boss
If you change to a boon between zones after a boss, their effect will apply
Its more building off of a main boon
Athena does have a pretty nice legendary boon if you can get a hold of it
mitch, how can you guarantee you start with the special ? you give up if the boon you get is attack/dash/call for example ?
Divine Protection, creates a barrier that negates damage every 20 seconds
alright, so by basically giving up if you don't have the one boon you want to build off, you can always choose at least one
All special buffing boons are called "X Flourish"
what do you do if you get daedalus first ? o/
Wouldn't matter
The first God based boon you get, if you have their keepsake, is usually that god
Daedalus is generally better than a boon anyway, depending a little bit on weapon
Though I have only one event that has gone against that
so you're usually pretty happy to see it early
Which... the game recognized
Hermes doesnt count as a god for the keepsakes to overwrite, technically
hey but... if you don't mind giving up if the first thing you see isn't what you want... why not choose a boon that actually does something (stat wise, or bonus wise) and just brute force the first boon ?
i guess that's not fun -_-' that's enough of a reason
The only scenario where I would keep going if the God Boon didn't appear
Is if a Daedalus hammer showed up
There are also some interesting edge cases, like you get offered multiple rooms and one is the keepsake god and one isnt. You take the other one in the hopes of an elite room with your keepsake god for extra rarity boost, for example
"hope of an elite room" haha we're not playing the same game yet i think
Anyone know how to ||get the fish you obtain by fishing in Greece after you beat the game?||
i avoid these for now, to go as far as possible
The fish are moved to the boss room
Elite Rooms can spawn even if you haven't cleared the game yet
elite rooms are rooms with a skull, right ?
Anyone know how to ||get the fish you obtain by fishing in Greece after you beat the game?||
@dusty gate They'll appear in the final arena
if i have a choice between an elite room and a normal room, i usually enter the normal one
Tbh I find that armored enemy rooms are easier than normal rooms because they have less enemies
how many runs before i can hope to beat the game ?
Depends how fast you can git gud
22 runs so far, beat the 3rd boss, couldn't get past the guardian of the next area
Can never beat the game, game won't let me leave
Or just how lucky you get
not sure if i'm clear enough
Man, those hitboxes after dash are brutal
I think I cleared the game on my 19th run?
21 here
You're doing fine, we see people clear within 10 and 100+
BBG is pretty difficult
But honestly my build was doing all kinds of heavy lifting
i find ranged build much easier than melee build, is that normal ? i don't see myself ever cleaning the game with the sword or shield for example
Its based on play style
How does hangover work? I know you can stack it up to 5 times, and also that different boons/different rarities give different damage/second. What happens if you have two boons that grant hangover at different damage/second counts?
Personal preference really, my first clear was fist
I like both but the gloves I cannot do anything with
each 'stack' of hangover is its own stack
shield is not necessarily melee
My cast dealt festive fog, chill, and lightning, and lightning would cause jolt and stacking chill caused burst damage in my first clear
so if you have an attack hangover and a special hangover, each can apply 1
chill... never encountered this status yet
and they are treated as their own
Don't worry about it
chill... never encountered this status yet
@patent horizon Bet, that answers the question "What God are you missing"
Can't stack past 5, so if you have a higher damage hangover you're losing damage 😦
Cast Builds are pretty much weapon-neutral as far as I've been able to see
never tried one before, don't know what god would be good
Festive Fog is really nice if you need a break, it will stun enemies inside
Poseidon aspect gives cast bonus damage, also pairs really well with Artemis’ exit wounds
alright then, thank you very much everyone for your answers, i'll go back to discovering the game on my own now ^^
sure
Artemis exit wounds and Hermes Quick reload are really good for a cast build
Which is better Long knuckle, or heavy knuckle?
Is it just me or do I very rarely ever get aphrodites boons?
Like out of all the olympians, I get her the least
wait
aphrodites*
Is that intentional, or is there some kind of order in chances of getting a certain god's boons?
From a conversation earlier, theres basically a way where if you got certain boons it makes it less likely you will get them in your next run
Then I should be a getting basically 0 dionysis and poseidon boons by now because I get those practically every run
wait do you mean certain boons or certain gods appearing
@harsh leaf ty
What'd I do 
Answered my question about fish
From a conversation earlier, theres basically a way where if you got certain boons it makes it less likely you will get them in your next run
@uneven wing huh didn't know this
Also I don't think this is accreate
Yeah, dont thinkyou can affect future runs like that
Alright, nyx has repeatedly given me no dialogue
Still no scroll
Time for 
The confirmation bias was in response to queen btw
All other prereqs appear to be met
Ahem
Not sure, it was from a conversation I saw earlier. Can't say for certain because I have had almost all Gods in runs
🇷 🇦 🇳 🇩 🇴 🇲
To both of you xD
Afaik aside from gods keepsakes forcing and the 4 slot system the rest is random
Which is better Long knuckle, or heavy knuckle?
What was heavy again lol
Long knuckle depends on your aspect
Also if you have artemis (support fire) long knuckles are p nice
Your attack becomes a 3 hit burst that does 40 dmg each
I have epic swift strike +30 atk speed
Oh yeah
Well I'd say generally unless you're playing demeter aspect long knuckle is a decent choice
But it only really shines with support fire imo
With more attack speed heavy could be an option
Do you have artemis in your build?
I confused those two while writing lol
Hunter/crit chick
Guess you can go for heavy then
Long knuckle is also nice for people who have a problem with the very close range style of the fists
Oh shucks
Zeus attack with support fire and long knuckles is noice
Well unless playing demeter as I said
I got a question, for the shatterd shakles
when it says not empowerd by a boon
does that mean as long as no boons buff the damage of specials/attack/cast, it'll do X amount of damge?
It means the core boons
So the ones that slot in your spaces at the bar
I.e. attack, special, dash etc boon
No
The boons that augment the different means of attacking you have
Attack, Flourish, cast, dadh
Dash
That's what I mean by core boons
The ones that don't get shown at the side of your boon menu when you enlarge it
The ones that are always present at the left side of your screen
Those that you aquire from gods
the ability that comes from the hammer?
is the hammer not a boon?
hammer is hammer
Only the boons that are specifically titled "strike" "flourish" "shot" "flare" "dash" and "aid"
And only the boons
As yaboiNONAME said: hammers are hammers
my english is bad sorry lol
No worries m8
vo1di, did you mean attack, special and cast?
Yes but I was trying to specify the boon names
ah, fair, I didn't get used to them yet
Since TmegaK seemed to have problems with my general wording
Aid is obvs kind out if the picture but yk what I mean
No worries if you're on this discord you're gonna see me have more than enough of those
Does anyone know why the chambers for Charon's shop sometimes have a blue laurel, and other times a gold laurel?
They shouldn't
Got a blue laurel shop with a selection of Healing (Food) - Artemis - Daedalus Hammer, and a gold laurel shop with Pom - Key - Boon
Is there a good reason for why we can't view our boons while pausing?
Well you're pausing the whole game
You can look at your boons normally, while in the codex and while at boon selection screen
Why pause the game for it mid fight
if you saved the game right before a boss fight and decided to take a break
say you come back and don't remember your boons
press B
the game continues into the boss fight
you can't quit on an active room iirc
It's hard to assess my boons while || a big boar is slashing me ||
Well yes but you can see you're core boons all the time
Just get to a quick cornery press - scan for your hammer and duos, go on
That obvs gets easier with game knowledge
Does anyone know why the chambers for Charon's shop sometimes have a blue laurel, and other times a gold laurel?
charon and npcs dont fall into the normal pools, so their laurels are whatever color the other door is
Bless ya
Was searching for the laurel pic and couldn't find it
if they are solo door they are usually gold, but if they are paired with a currency door, then their laurel will be blue
since they can be paired with both
is a dash strike considered as an attack?
hmm
Etc
so how does it work exactly
Those are hard coded terms in hades
If you press attack right after a dash it's a dash strike
What is the exact interaction you're wondering about pleb
cos like
if i have an attack boon but i keep dash striking
i dont benefit from the attack boon right
It does
If you have Aphro f.e. the buffs would still apply
But there are some hammers and chaos boons that specifically interact with your dash strike
oh
And they won't influence ur regular atttack
so attack boons affect ur dash strike but dash strike doesnt affect ur atk
Like the serrated point hammer for spear f.e.
oki thanks

What can I do with Ambrosia?

