or one is enough?
#h1-for-new-players
dreamy loom
cursive prism
You usually need one boon at least from each god
formal rover
yeah need one from each list
static anvil
I always feel bad going into ||Hades'|| fight knowing I'm going to lose 
cursive prism
Like for the Athena/Ares duo you need to be able to apply doom and you need to be able to deflect
static anvil
Am sorreh Zag
dreamy loom
thanks a lot! 🙂
cursive prism
I need to read up more on boon requirements myself
Like I got the Athena legendary once and I wasn't really sure what triggered it to be able to show up
Since it's pretty awesome
formal rover
athena legendary requires brilliant reposte
that’s the only prereq, but to get it you need a source of deflect
sand pond
is there a hermes repellent
?
cursive prism
Hermes is generally good, so I wouldn't want to repel him
uneven wing
What makes hydra EZ mode?
cursive prism
But yes, there might be something later to reroll picks you dont want
That's more of a mid-lategame unlock though
sand pond
hermes has any other good boon aside from quick recovery?
uneven wing
There is a boon for increased speed, and increased damage for how much speed you have
cursive prism
Attack speed, special speed, more dashes and dodge for a few basic ones that are just good
formal rover
greatest reflex is lowkey one of the best boons in the game
nova helm
Why would anyone want to repel Hermes? He's the best!
cursive prism
Yeah greatest reflex is a very nice thing to have indeed
formal rover
another really good one is second wind
sand pond
might as well give him all my nectar then 
formal rover
with smouldering air it’s borderline broken
cursive prism
At least give him one and he may give you a present
the same with all npcs you can give nectar to
nova helm
He's a wonderful, helpful man with amazing thighs. I see no downsides to Hermes.
cursive prism
His boons are very much designed to be fairly useful for any type of build, since he always shows up in every run no matter what
No more than twice however
sand pond
I BEAT HIM
cursive prism
Got em
sand pond
i was lucky he got helped by aphrodite
cursive prism
Aphro I believe is one of the worse calls he can make, the exploding patterns are relatively awkward
nova helm
Making friends.
sand pond
cursive prism
Yeah hang onto those, you'll need em way later
static anvil
Seeking Fire or Delta Chamber?
formal rover
delta probably
pulsar frigate
spoilers, pls tag
scenic sparrow
once you have all the weapons and mirror upgrades unlocked is there any use for keys other than trading at the broker?
gray haven
Yeah, but you can just trade them all for now.
static anvil
Is divine dash better than stuff like doom dash? I have the choice between divine dash and holy shield
harsh leaf
There is no doom dash
static anvil
Ack
prime dragon
You mean blade rift dash?
harsh leaf
I've used blade dash like.... once
gray haven
Divine Dash is easily #1, yeah.
static anvil
:0
prime dragon
Divine dash is probably best dash
harsh leaf
Naw man, Poseidon dash is the best
prime dragon
I've yet to think of a situation where other dashes are preferable
harsh leaf
You can beat the game using nothing but Pos Dash
Athena dash definitely makes you live longer, though
And it's invaluable when you're still learning the ropes
pulsar frigate
divine, tidal, and hunter are basically the best
prime dragon
idk though, I need a crutch tool for the witches fight
cinder shoal
i got to boss of 3rd level on my first play thru
prime dragon
Winning runs take about 20-30 minutes yeah
cinder shoal
but died
harsh leaf
Real time it's closer to 45 to an hour
cinder shoal
uh huh
harsh leaf
There are four areas, if that's your question
prime dragon
So you're really close to the end if you got to the third boss 
cosmic willow
at what point can you not get any more chaos gates?
prime dragon
I've never seen a chaos gate in the last area of the game, but that might just be RNG
harsh leaf
at what point can you not get any more chaos gates?
@cosmic willow Styx, though I believe you can still force them with the Well of Charon buff
scenic sparrow
does each styx room count as an encounter for the purposes of chaos boons?
harsh leaf
Not sure, some effects count each room, some only count the final one
static anvil
I never realized the chthonic keys blinked
harsh leaf
The abyss gazes also
nova helm
I mean, it'd be creepier if some of the Chthonics didn't blink. xDD
pulsar frigate
does each styx room count as an encounter for the purposes of chaos boons?
it should, they're considered encounters
harsh leaf
it should, they're considered encounters
@pulsar frigate Tell that to Plume and Butterfly!
pulsar frigate
only lambent plume and pierced butterfly don't count them as encounters, they're the exceptions
stray oyster
What is your favorite weapon?
modern pike
Hello, maybe a stupid question, but can you copy a save file to another slot?
cursive jackal
Malephon or Aegis, depending on my mood
And its probably possible with copy pasting some game file stuff
candid nimbus
are you on PC? you can rename profile stuff something like that
sterile solar
Idk how, but you can
candid nimbus
renaming 'profile1' stuff to 'profile2' might work
Backup save files just in case though...
modern pike
Oh, so not "in game" then
candid nimbus
Not to my knowledge
modern pike
Thank you for the answer
sterile solar
Yeah it has to be in the files
modern pike
I'll look into it
But just wanted a fast way to "save before boss fight" and restart as needed if I don't make it
candid nimbus
No fast way to do so it seems
candid nimbus
Can only do the save file manipulation
harsh leaf
The whole idea is to do it again and again and again
modern pike
Yes I get that, it was for ||Charon|| tbh
sterile solar
Oof
modern pike
Not Hades
sterile solar
Even more cheating
modern pike
.>
candid nimbus
I mean you can do it, SGG wants you to work for it though lol
modern pike
Yeah, I beat him once
sterile solar
Then you can do it again
modern pike
Wanted to get 2 in a row, but am unsure of my current build
sterile solar
Also spoiler the name pls
modern pike
Oh, how do I do that?
modern pike
Ok
candid nimbus
Something like || message | |
sterile solar
Yes
candid nimbus
remove space on second, can also highlight message and a popup will appear at least on PC
candid nimbus
but yeah give it a try, good luck
modern pike
And ye, I guess Imma just have to git gud, thanks
candid nimbus
'save scum' I guess is the term used for that lul
candid nimbus
You can take 'em down, you got this 👍
modern pike
Thank you, I'll try!
candid nimbus
I suppose you can keep a save to practice against I know that is a thing too
median hedge
Hey, after you have gotten the bosses rewards once, the only way to obtain more of them is by trade?
harsh leaf
Remember
Don't get hit
candid nimbus
but still save file stuff, more work than needed
Trade, beat the final boss to learn more
median hedge
Damn
harsh leaf
Hey, after you have gotten the bosses rewards once, the only way to obtain more of them is by trade?
@median hedge Beat the game once and more options are available
modern pike
I'll try not to get hit
candid nimbus
Shield is a 'safer' weapon for new players, but they all work good
median hedge
Yeah I use shield too :(
candid nimbus
Holding attack can block enemy attacks/projectiles
candid nimbus
You'll get there, still upgrades you can get like mirror
median hedge
Yeah
candid nimbus
Just keep at it, you got this 👍
candid nimbus
Do something like this ||message| |
pulsar frigate
||spoilers||
candid nimbus
without the space on the second
median hedge
Okk
pulsar frigate
or, /spoilers
median hedge
I wanted to say that I had arrived to ||hades and killed his first phase, and I had read on reddit that he didn't have 2 phases, I wasn't prepared and died lel||
pulsar frigate
or, highlight the part of the message you want to tag and click the eye in the ui
reddit lol
median hedge
Not a good source of information
median hedge
||His fight isn't that hard though, it's just that after all the way I'm starved of resources||
So I die
The hardest fight imo is ||minotaur and the other guy||
static anvil
It's scaring me how I have yet to see an explosive hammer on any weapon
median hedge
I had like a 125% damage increase from afrodite and lost
To normal attacks
With the ||shield||
candid nimbus
Happens
static anvil
Myridion Bracer intimidates me ngl
sand pond
all my homies hate poison
candid nimbus
poison is a feast
shut flame
is there an option you should pick from euydice as a general rule of thumb?
leaden whale
I always pick the rank up 2 boons option. At least that's what I think it is
wide shore
depends on how your run has been going so far
and what you already have or not have
if you don’t have a lot of boons yet (that you’d like to upgrade) you might want to take the option that makes future ones better. same the other way around
harsh leaf
I always pick the rank up 2 boons option. At least that's what I think it is
@leaden whale Usually, a pom level is roughly equivalent to a rarity upgrade
Especially for common and rare boons
static anvil
when chaos shows up on chamber 33
harsh leaf
32, you mean?
harsh leaf
Oh wait yeah I thought 34 was heroes, my b
dusty gate
Anyone got a decent spear build?
still need to clear once with it lol
Maybe ||aspect of achilles|| Artemis special
I could always just force the Dionysus/Aphrodite/ares trifecta even if it’s not perfect for the weapon I guess
harsh leaf
Achilles is generally considered the best spear aspect. Consider it a worse Poseidon sword, and build accordingly
cinder harness
I was so close to my first clear and I died with 10% left on the last boss 😭
harsh leaf
You'll get 'em next time!
mental widget
You can do it 
worthy mountain
Personally I like Hades spear. Hit em as they spawn with a spin and then take advantage of a very vicious mark
gray haven
Achilles is generally considered the best spear aspect.
By whom? That's not really true at all.
harsh leaf
Speedrunners, I guess
worthy mountain
I wanna try to upgrade Zag spear a bit. I offhandedly tried special spam with Zeus one time and I was like "oh this works a lot better than I thought"
gray haven
It's the fastest right now for speedruns, yes.
leaden whale
Well you're reliably reaching there at least
leaden whale
And, like, take it slow and defensive until you learn what he does, there's no time limit
worthy mountain
Well. Yet. 
leaden whale
Haha yes
Anyway, the shield should also help since it blocks literally everything there
worthy mountain
It's true, there's nothing more satisfying than just absolutely turtling the beam
leaden whale
Too bad it's not like Athena's shield in Borderlands. Absorbs damage to amplify it's own
worthy mountain
That would be a fun aspect to add though
candid nimbus
There's a hammer, block and do more damage
leaden whale
It doesn't stack tho
worthy mountain
(Honestly I find it weird how Athena doesn't have a Shield of Chaos aspect tbh. Considering it's her whole thing.)
fossil spindle
What I found out for myself the past few hours dying either before reaching the Asphodel or dying with a chip of life on the hydra left is that every run is incredibly dependent on a good boon luck, only partially to be saved by skill.
worthy mountain
Skill does eventually outpace boons
candid nimbus
mirror upgrades help a lot
worthy mountain
For sure
harsh leaf
Mirror upgrades, specifically Priviledged Statys/Family Favourite, help out a tooon when you're still learning.
Def attribute my first win to abusing PS
cursive prism
Family favorite is probably easier to use since you dont have to think as much, even though optimal throughput is a tad lower
Like you just get a passive damage boost after all
nova owl
i feel like i have nothing to do after escaping the game once
and then escaping with a curse once
i feel kinda stuck
wicked bane
Each time you escape, you advance the story a bit. There's also a lot of characters to interact with, are you engaging in the nectar/ambrosia giving?
dry hull
just curious about how many times will I need to die to run out of new dialog for npcs?
nova owl
wdym by nectar/ambrosia? @wicked bane
wicked bane
There are "meta progression" items called nectar and ambrosia (which you got if you've escaped) and you can give them to the various NPCs to advance their story with them.
wicked bane
As for the main story (spoilers): ||you need to escape 10 times to complete it, then there's the epilogue to also do||
@dry hull that's a tough question, because it's more based on gift giving than runs
dry hull
I mean the dialogs when you talk to them right after dying
wicked bane
Oh, uhhh a lot then. I'm not sure of an exact number though, but for me, I was still getting new dialogue until around run 80 or 90 I think? I'm not 100% sure tbh
dry hull
in total? or per npc
wicked bane
in total, not per NPC. Not every NPC will show up after a run to talk either
i.e. sometimes Nyx won't be there
cursive prism
Not to mention there are some storylines past getting the credits even
wicked bane
yeah
nova owl
how does the summon goes ?
nova owl
yeah
wicked bane
usually it's on your first ambrosia gift to certain characters
which involves progressing their story
nova owl
yup i had no idea u can do that with ambrosia
i just traded that for bloodtitan
big head
candid nimbus
Should be fine
wicked bane
Not sure how much ambrosia you need to max out everything, but I'd be surprised if it was over 100 tbh
candid nimbus
It uh...
cursive prism
All the ||summons|| require 10 a piece, then each character usually requires like 3 or something I think
nova owl
hmm rn now im wating for rng to open the 4th aspect of the spear
wicked bane
Yeah, and (minor character spoilers) ||Dusa|| will give some back if you want
cursive prism
||Heathen, asking Dusa to give them back||
wicked bane
Oh, yeah, so it would be
cursive prism
Got em
wicked bane
oof
wicked bane
RNG for what?
candid nimbus
as long as you have all the pre-reqs yeah
pulsar frigate
bruh is it rlly just rng
this can refer to a lot of things in this game, and the answer is probably yes
candid nimbus
Might take a bit
wicked bane
Oh, the ||hidden aspects||? yeah
cursive prism
Do doublecheck that you're actually meeting the requirements though
cinder harness
does deflect count as a status effect for the mirror thing that requires 2 status effects for +dmg?
pulsar frigate
PS requires two “Status Curses”; what statuses are Status Curses are labeled out in their tooltip
pulsar frigate
for example, Weak’s tooltip starts out with “Status curse: etc”
wicked bane
Status curses are Doom, Jolted, Rupture, Weak, Hangover, marked, chilled, and exposed
Oh, and maaaaaaaaaaybe maim?
pastel cipher
maim is not a status curse
candid nimbus
only God's stuff
cinder harness
oh ok so i can apply it with exposed
candid nimbus
Yea
pulsar frigate
the whole point of PS/FF is that you need to take multiple gods to get their effect to work lol
cinder harness
is there a way to see my hammer effects?
pulsar frigate
like, besides opening the boon menu?
there’s no codex thing for it, if that’s what you mean
cinder harness
i dont see them in the boon menu, i just see boons from what i can tell
foggy sparrow
Dunno how if this is new player territory, but does anyone here have some tips for the Temple of Styx here? I'd just reached it in my last run, and the sheer amount of traps, lasers and vermin thrown at me ended me a little fast xD
cinder harness
a lot of dashing? lol
idk I had trouble with every stage the first couple of times I tried them
candid nimbus
Making dashes count, keeping distance
wicked bane
Having a good dash boon helps a lot imo
candid nimbus
Knowing when enemies are attacking
wicked bane
but a lot of it is just practice to learn timings and what room spawns might look like, and enemy priority
foggy sparrow
It's difficult if the whole room is filled with the lasers
candid nimbus
I... 
facetank those sometimes
cinder harness
as long as you avoid standing in poison, you can avoid most damage. the laser dudes u gotta just kill quickly
wicked bane
yeah
candid nimbus
I like having a cast just in case
wicked bane
Or at least hit them just to stun them for a second
I usually focus satyrs because poison and hard to see projectiles that are quick
foggy sparrow
One of the bad things was that I was running Aspect of Chiron Coronacht with the Hammer upgrade that made the normal attack bounce. Made it difficult to prioritize who I wanted to hit with my special
candid nimbus
Oh yeah that might've done it
I love the ricochet arrow though, shoot through walls
wicked bane
yeah that would make it a lot harder
foggy sparrow
Oh, and what do you use Ambrosia for? Is it only to trade for some Blood?
candid nimbus
building bonds
wicked bane
it's used ||in the same way nectar is, once you've maxed out their heart gauge for the first time||
foggy sparrow
Ah
median hedge
||How much hearts do characters have?||
candid nimbus
Should say in codex, I don't remember if there's a specific amount for each
foggy sparrow
I kinda messed up my weapon choices thinking they were just upgrades to the weapons, so I kinda wasted the blood I got
wicked bane
changes depending on the character, but I think most have ||8 to 9 iirc, and most gods have like... 6 I think||
candid nimbus
That sounds about right
foggy sparrow
At least get the God keepsakes
wicked bane
^
foggy sparrow
It's nice to guarantee at least one deity
wicked bane
I recommend giving everyone at least 1
cinder harness
i think i got all the keepsakes so ive just been giving dusa the stuff
foggy sparrow
Just check to be sure
median hedge
I have skelly's keepsake, I don't need more I think
wicked bane
heh, that's what I thought at first
then I started forcing gods and my runs got a lot better
foggy sparrow
Lucky tooth is nice if you lose your life once and you need another
wicked bane
early on it is really good
foggy sparrow
But other ones have actually useful boni
median hedge
I have like 3 revives
cinder harness
some weapons rly want a certain boon
wicked bane
but once you unlock death defiance, it falls off in usefulness.
foggy sparrow
|| You can be a perfectionist and get the butterfly from death to get permanent damage buffs if you flawlessly clear a room, but only as long as you keep is keepsake equipped ||
wicked bane
You'll probably get more out of planning your run ahead of time then
i.e. aiming for a legendary or duo boon
median hedge
Yeah that's the things I don't understand fully yet
wicked bane
For example, sea storm is really strong
median hedge
I just go blindly and tend to go for poseidon and zeus
wicked bane
so, some boons have requirement boons. Once you have those requirements met, you have a chance to get the boon
foggy sparrow
I'm kinda mad that I've wasted my Titans Blood, not knowing that those are essentially different weapons you unlock with it, rather than just upgrades
median hedge
Yeah I got a legendary boon for fishing
wicked bane
i.e. sea storm needs one of each:
Zeus: Electric Shot, Lightning Strike, Thunder Dash, Thunder Flourish, or Zeus' Aid
Poseidon: Flood Shot, Poseidon's Aid, Tempest Flourish, Tempest Strike, or Tidal Dash
Yeah, that boon is ||a forced spawn||
foggy sparrow
At least you focused on one
supple linden
there is no bad aspect TBH
median hedge
I tend to go for damage amps
wicked bane
it's ok. Every weapon and aspect are viable to clear the game with
supple linden
Each aspect is specialized into something
median hedge
If you were to say what the easiest weapon and aspect to clear the game was, what would it be?
supple linden
Rail
wicked bane
each aspect usually focuses on a different playstyle
foggy sparrow
But loses effectiveness if you've just got a singular point in each, like I do
wicked bane
with Zag aspects being a generalist/basic moveset focus
supple linden
aspect doesn't matter but probably zagreus
ranged weapons are pretty easy for a first time clear
foggy sparrow
I heard good things about Nemesis Stygius
supple linden
I've seen a lot of people claim their first victory was rail, and i'm one of them
wicked bane
It's pretty good, but I think poseidon is better just because cast can be so crazy strong
median hedge
I tried rail but being static is not cool
foggy sparrow
I don't like rail myself
wicked bane
the trick with rail is to dash, attack, dash
foggy sparrow
I'd give casting a try with the bow variant
supple linden
zeus on attack with rail is super powerful
foggy sparrow
But by itself I just use it to stick the blood into the enemies for the damage boost
median hedge
Is it the weapon with the best dps?
wicked bane
rail is currently the fastest clearing weapon for speedruns
specifically the eris aspect
foggy sparrow
With that short range hammer upgrade, I think
supple linden
is eris power up on special or power up on reload
wicked bane
it's power up if you stand in your special's explosion
foggy sparrow
On special
wicked bane
and it powers up all damage
supple linden
alright
cus the later isn't good without levels, and someone who hasnt won yet doesnt have much to spare
wicked bane
yeah
median hedge
And what boons should I keep an eye out appart from Zeus and poseidon? I like the wine and love gods too
wicked bane
I think the easiest first clear is zeus shield personally
supple linden
hm
wicked bane
it lets you play super defensively if need be, and has a pretty strong special
supple linden
Artemis ||call|| maybe
foggy sparrow
I literally can't get it xD
supple linden
personally I like to pick up Dionysus fountain boon
median hedge
personally I like to pick up Dionysus fountain boon
@supple linden yeah it feels good
wicked bane
Chiron is pretty good
supple linden
as for other buffs
wicked bane
what aspects do you have?
median hedge
Also, is the projectile attack that useful? I never use it
supple linden
if you ||have made it to the surface. grabbing cold fusion, Zeus and Demeter duo boon. would be good for a rail zeus attack build||
foggy sparrow
What, you mean for the weapons in general?
wicked bane
yeah, what do you have unlocked?
@median hedge you mean the cast? Depending on the weapon, yes very
median hedge
Shield?
supple linden
i think they mean rail special
median hedge
Not the special
wicked bane
@median hedge what projectile are you talking about?
supple linden
cast
wicked bane
oh, the cast yeah
supple linden
not cast?
wicked bane
depending on the weapon it can be super strong
supple linden
the only thing I can think that you mean by red stones with shield is the shield's hidden aspect
which i'd be surprised if you had
wicked bane
I can only think of the cast as being "red stones"
supple linden
yeah i get that
but it's weird they specified red stones with shield
but it's probably cast
foggy sparrow
There's that legendary shield that casts
wicked bane
it might be the weapon they're using the most of
foggy sparrow
At the end of the charge
supple linden
cast is dependent on what you get
cast can either be really good or horrible and crippling to use
wicked bane
cast really depends on the weapon and what boon it is yeah
candid nimbus
Aphro cast is the most risky one
wicked bane
like, with achilles spear, hidden shield, or hera bow, cast makes up the core of my playstyle with it
median hedge
Oh
The thing is I always get to ||hades|| and then die, and idk what I'm doing wrong
wicked bane
it's mostly a matter of learning attack patterns
and being able to read the tells and react accordingly
foggy sparrow
@wicked bane
Varatha Zag lv1
Coronacht Zag lv1, Chiron lv2
Exagryph Zag lv1
Sorry for the @
wicked bane
Hm, chiron is prolly your best bet then, at least until you unlock more weapons to get more blood with.
median hedge
Now I'm green too
foggy sparrow
I could buy it for an exorbitant price in the temple too
wicked bane
do you have all 6 weapons yet?
candid nimbus
Zag aspects work just fine though
wicked bane
ah, so I assume everything else is just level 1 then?
median hedge
I beat elysium but I normally waste 2 revives there
wicked bane
Where did all your blood go?
foggy sparrow
Everything else didn't get blood from me
wicked bane
oh wait duh my bad
foggy sparrow
To the ones I've listed
wicked bane
I forgot zag weapons start at 0
median hedge
In my case I was lucky to get 2 blood and also bought one for the ambrosia
I think I'll beat the game before I need it
wicked bane
Yeah, I think chiron is your best bet for now.
foggy sparrow
I'm using the owl pendant for now to guarantee myself the deflect dash
wicked bane
Maybe a dio hangover build? Not entirely sure what the best option for that bow is
candid nimbus
Dio hangover is solid, especially at lvl 2, near max stack in one go, no?
wicked bane
That'd be a better question for #h1-builds-and-combat to suggest what to aim for on the special
It would prolly be solid
The issue is it requires finding a lot of the right supporting boons
i.e. Ares duo boon with it, and the legendary boon from dio
candid nimbus
I feel a maxed out mirror and building up skill can outweigh aspects
foggy sparrow
Haven't given either of the two nectar yet, I should remedy that
candid nimbus
Just gotta keep at it, talking to people, gifting, you'll beat redacted 👍
wicked bane
On the other hand, sea storm is ALWAYS good
(For room clearing)
Pretty decent boss damage for the no commitment you make to using it to damage them
foggy sparrow
I know who I'll have to beat, sadly. It's very hard to avoid such knowledge, especially when it's so glaringly obvious
median hedge
What happens if you befriend Hades?
harsh leaf
You get a warm fuzzy feeling inside
median hedge
Haha
median hedge
Yeah you can give him nectar
But idk what happens if you give him a lot
Maybe he cheers you on lel
harsh leaf
Go ahead and try to find out!
cinder harness
what boons to upgrade special am i looking for with the chiron bow?
foggy sparrow
Artemis crit is always nice
Though people here swear on hangover
I just do whichever I encounter first
candid nimbus
Can make anything work tbh
cinder harness
anything would be nice, im at elysium and still havent been offered a special upgrade
hearty holly
Dad is like "You disappoint me....OOH NECTAR???"
harsh leaf
If your Chiron is too low level, Dio can work fine
quiet cypress
hangover is good on special if you have aphro attack
either way it's good
but shines with aphro attack
candid nimbus
"Nectar?" triggered
cosmic basin
how does one defeat ||Hades Phase 2||
harsh leaf
Step 1: Don't get hit
Step 2: Hit him till he dies
candid nimbus
Knowing their attacks and where to dodge some of them is very good
cinder harness
jesus that was an awful selection of boons that run
hit end of act 3 without any cast or special boon
or call
candid nimbus
Congrats! Here's to many more!
median hedge
Thank you! I hope so too
jolly pecan
Is it just me or does no one else use their cast
candid nimbus
It can be awkward to incorporate into your battle flow
cinder harness
depends on the weapon
candid nimbus
but once you get used to it, they're pretty helpful
cinder harness
i use it a lot on tanky things like bosses
jolly pecan
I forget it exists 90% of the time
cinder harness
gives u a lot more damage if you stack a couple on bosses
hot yoke
Most if the time I either go cast build of forget my cast
cinder harness
and have the mirror thing that makes it do more daamge
hot yoke
But always fire at boss yeah
jolly pecan
I forgot his name, but the two bosses on stage 3
hot yoke
Oh
jolly pecan
Have trouble with spear shield dude
hot yoke
After spear throw he always walks away from ya
jolly pecan
Again, don't remember the name
jolly pecan
Cheers
hot yoke
Also when he aims at you there's a purple mark above your head
It'll blink shortly before he throws
Spear can also damage when he returns if
Second attack is his spin but if you're not terribly close hell hugely telegraph it by walking towards you for a long time
median hedge
Spoilers after beating the game: ||NOOOOOOOO WTF MAN AAAAAAAAAAA||
hot yoke
Otherwise there's a white circle around him b4 the spin
jolly pecan
Thanks for the help!
hot yoke
Np best of luck man
jolly pecan
I will probably forget all of this tbh, but thank you anyways
hot yoke
Just copy it somewhere ig xD
modern pike
||when can I talk to the boulder?||
hot yoke
After enough times talking to sysi and I think gifting a bit o nectar
oak osprey
hot yoke
In the end you're bound to get it
modern pike
Yep I'll keep at it
supple linden
bouldy is not best friend. Bouldy is a creature of pure sin
supple linden
bouldy is there because he killed his wife
supple linden
name 62,892 things bouldy had done that are good
hot yoke
Name one Bouldy has done that is evil
quiet cypress
sound like someone got the ambiguity bonus too many times
supple linden
That cold stare, that unsetteling grin
hot yoke
Cold?
quiet cypress
supple linden
the eyes of a wife murderer
supple linden
Bouldy eats children
hot yoke
How?
candid nimbus
supple linden
look up to Dusa. does her job, knows how to treat a man, knows exactly where the rafters are, a skill not even Zagreus has
hot yoke
She's aromantic tho
So no
Bouldy is always there for you
Listens
Steady
Shoulder to lean on
Reliable
What more can you expect?
median hedge
Is there a way to avoid ||heat gauge? ||
hot yoke
It's part of the game
The first levels aren't that hard and you can control what you apply
median hedge
you can just not use it
@supple linden it doesn't let me ||start without adding 1 heat at least||
dry hull
how many attempts dose it take on averge to escape the first time?
supple linden
||does it not? I've done 0 heat runs with a weapon at 6 heat||
dry hull
meg is kicking my butt
supple linden
@dry hull between 9 and over 100. depends on your skill level
hot yoke
Around 30 but who cares about that
dry hull
oof
hot yoke
It's about progressing at your own leisure and having fun
dry hull
I suck at platforming
median hedge
I got it on 16th but I have just gotten all achievements for spelunky 2, so I know my way 😎
dry hull
80% of the damadge i take are spikes
supple linden
I'd say 20-30 is average for people experienced with rouge-lites
median hedge
You keep trying
All roguelikes are the same, at the beginning its hard and then it becomes easy
dry hull
ye
dry hull
i've been working on my back stabbing skill
i think i wanna main with the bow
also what is god mode?
supple linden
god mode gives you bonus damage resistance the more you die. up to 60%. turned on in the pause menu
median hedge
It's in options, it makes your life easier
ivory ocean
god mode gives you +20% damage resistance, then +2% every death, up to 80%
i use it and it makes the game a lot more fun
dry hull
i see
supple linden
Like I said. there is no shame in using it and no one will give you a hard time about it
ivory ocean
i still die but before god mode i couldn't even beat meg
dry hull
so far the game for me has been about learning pattern and spam dodge
the thing i learned about meg is to run when she's summoning those purple circle
and then full dps +dash when she's not
supple linden
the best advice I can give is figure out what works for you
there are six weapons and you are bound to like one of them
hot yoke
The fun is getting over the loop and then showing the game the finger
dry hull
bow served with a nice slice of cheese on the size
side*
i only have 4 avaliable rn
is the bow the only range weapon?
supple linden
nope
dry hull
is there a scythe?
supple linden
there is the rail
hot yoke
Gun
supple linden
nope
dry hull
darn
supple linden
the weaons are grouped into 3 categories. two per
dry hull
i'd drop eanything for a scythe
supple linden
full melee: sword and fists.
half melee: shield and spear
full ranged: rail and bow
closet thing to a scythe would probably be the sword for typical scythe melee. or the shield for typical scythe throwing
supple linden
Bow can be pretty nice
dry hull
bow + doom on spiecal is op in my opinion
hot yoke
It isn't tho
dry hull
ik it's probably not
but then agian i've met less than half of the olympians
so we'll see what I find lol
planning to play through hades spolier free. it's such a nice game
supple linden
just some advice
dry hull
si?
supple linden
this channel has spoilers as anything past the final area
supple linden
yeah probably for the best if you don't want spoilers
oh wait
@dry hull beore you vanish let me clarify incase i realized the wording was a bit bad.
anything past the area has to be MARKED as a spoiler. but anything before the final area is not spoiler tagged
so if you don't want spoilers for the areas/gods/whatever that'd be in the areas before the final boss, then this channel will have those unmarked
sullen river
i feel like sheild is best choice for new players imo ?
i mean im a new player but i cleared for the first time like a day ago with sheild
hot yoke
There is no best choice
candid nimbus
It's a 'safer' choice imo, but some new players may benefit more from ranged for instance
sullen river
aaaa
hot yoke
What fits your playstyle best is your best choice
sullen river
ive cleared on sheild and spear so far
hot yoke
shield
sullen river
im scared of the gun because im awful with it but i wanna try new play styles xD
SH
hot yoke
You play on switch?
sterile solar
sullen river
yea prolly not
sterile solar
sterile solar
median hedge
leaden whale
wraith kernel
hot yoke
candid nimbus
candid nimbus
devious
leaden whale
I just kinda leave the game open
median hedge
Thanks!
hot yoke
There's no manual saving
leaden whale
I hate leaving during the middle of a run
median hedge
I just kinda leave the game open
@leaden whale switch user I assume
median hedge
Then you consume a lot of electricity...
leaden whale
Nah, I just set my laptop to sleep mode
median hedge
Ahh, laptop
leaden whale
Sometimes I just need to get a run in before going to bed but I don’t wanna stay in the living room
Laptop makes that much easier
pallid tangle
Can someone explain shattered shackle and unchecking boons?
so first of all, does "when not empowered by a boon" mean I can't have a SINGLE boon, or just no boons for attack, cast and special?
pulsar frigate
you know the attack, special, and cast slot to the left?
formal rover
it’s just core boons; the ones that appear in the slots of the left side of the screen
pallid tangle
And second, what extra thing do I need to do to uncheck boons? Because I've tried it before, and when I go back to check my boons, they've been unchecked
pulsar frigate
if your attack slot is filled, your attack won't benefit from the shackle
formal rover
sorry; core boons to the shackle question
pallid tangle
yeah I know
formal rover
re: checking, i assume you mean the boons that are pinned?
pulsar frigate
if the corresponding ability has a boon associated with it (i.e. you have divine strike), the shackle will not affect that ability (so your attack will not have a +% shackle boost)
formal rover
if you click on them in the boon/victory screen they will be pinned
pulsar frigate
because you have divine strike, you do not get the shackle boost to your attack
formal rover
not sure i’m understanding your question tho
formal rover
you can’t deactivate a boon once you have it
candid nimbus
Can sell
pallid tangle
So if I pick up a boon, my shattered shackle thing is hecked?
formal rover
pinning is just so you can show off your build more easily; it has no mechanical effect
pulsar frigate
when you have your boon menu open, clicking on a boon "pins" it to the center of the screen (the full information shows up), this is for screenshotting purposes
pallid tangle
oh
pulsar frigate
So if I pick up a boon, my shattered shackle thing is hecked?
no, it's only hecked if you pick up a matching boon to that ability
formal rover
if you picked up an attack/cast/special core boon, yes, it’s hecked for that respective ability
pallid tangle
ok so it IS only affected by attack/cast/special
pulsar frigate
at max, shackle gives a +80% boost to your attack/special/cast when they do not have a boon attached to them
dry hull
just curious dose patroclus exist?
pallid tangle
gotcha
pulsar frigate
if you were to pick up athena attack, your attack will lose the shackle bonus
pallid tangle
so I can still pick up boons just not those.
dry hull
owo
formal rover
yeah pretty much
dry hull
can't wait to meet him
pallid tangle
ok thanks
I also have a greek mythology question. is Chaos personified??
in greek mythology I mean
or is that just a hades thing
formal rover
yep
pulsar frigate
both i think
pallid tangle
because I'm reading through stephen fry's mythos and he so far has said nothing at all about chaos being an actual god too
formal rover
they’re kind of a weird god iirc
pallid tangle
just that everything came from from chaos and chaos has always existed
pulsar frigate
chaos is both a "thing" and a person, iirc
pallid tangle
Though also in hades nyx says something about how before chaos there was nothing
I was under the impression chaos was the nothing and was always there
formal rover
worth noting: chaos refers to both the entity and place
pulsar frigate
chaos is what happened after the big bang
pallid tangle
right yeah. like gaia being the actual earth herself and nyx being the actual night yeah
pulsar frigate
they don't know what was going on before the bang
formal rover
it’s like tartarus/tartarus or hades/hades
pallid tangle
though thought chaos was different in that sense
god damn it I keep forgetting
how did people actually believe this crap its insane
harsh leaf
Chaos is more like the chasm than the modern concept of disarray the word provokes
pulsar frigate
i mean, that's literally how both christian creation myth and the scientific theory of the big bang work lol
literally nothing -> something out of nothing
formal rover
also that
pallid tangle
oh when I said greek mythology is nutty im refering to the personified gods
pulsar frigate
what is a god if not a personified concept of something 😛
pallid tangle
like "yeah the big land of dirt we're standing on asked one of her sons she made with the ACTUAL THING THAT IS THE SKY to chop his(because the sky has a weiner and is a he) testicles. after which he threw 1000000 times further than anyone has ever thrown a football. then his giant sack of weiner and balls fell into the ocean and the CONCEPT OF LOVE AS A PERSON sprang fourth from it in a seashell
ok good I said weiner because I was afraid that'd be censored here cant be sure lol
But all of that and then many real living people heard that and thought "Yeah, makes sense. In fact it makes so much sense, I will dedicate my life to worshipping these beings because I think its true that much"
formal rover
it’d seem a lot less weird to us if we’d grown up with that as the cultural framework
all about perspective tbh
pallid tangle
Yeah, I suppose I believed in christianity myself growing up, but even the bible has a lot less crazy things than greek/roman mythology. at least the personification thing specifically
hearty vortex
It's worth noting that greek religion is orthopraxic
Emphasis was put on ritual/practice instead of belief
sturdy igloo
But all of that and then many real living people heard that and thought "Yeah, makes sense. In fact it makes so much sense, I will dedicate my life to worshipping these beings because I think its true that much"
@pallid tangle Just to add to this (because this is one of my favourite subjects):
I'm sure it's been discussed and as far as I'm aware there are several prevailing theories that are solid. obviously we don't know for certain for various reasons (we're analysing a period of 1000+ years, there are no primary sources [oral tradition], the secondary "contemporary" [Roman historians] sources had inherent biases/inaccuracies and a lot of the theories are based on the musings of 18th century historians who, like all historians, are prone to introducing biases etc.) also it's essentially a macro question [society/cultural/political] mixed with a micro question ["What did this one guy living in 100 BC think about the gods"] etc etc.
we know that religion had a big part in society [communal gatherings] and was intertwined with important events (harvest time). it was also allegorical and probably considered a form of entertainment too. so from this it's safe to say religion was hugely important.
people being people there were definitely some folk who took it literally but I'd guess most people had a more rational take on it
pallid tangle
wait a pain in the ass lol
so wait, people didnt worship greek gods?
what was the point of it then?
it was also allegorical and probably considered a form of entertainment too.
So....just for fun?
sturdy igloo
like "yeah the big land of dirt we're standing on asked one of her sons she made with the ACTUAL THING THAT IS THE SKY to chop his(because the sky has a weiner and is a he) testicles. after which he threw 1000000 times further than anyone has ever thrown a football. then his giant sack of weiner and balls fell into the ocean and the CONCEPT OF LOVE AS A PERSON sprang fourth from it in a seashell
@pallid tangle tbh greek mythology is no less bat---- than modern religions. just look at the Old Testament, there's lots of wacky things going on. I mean obviously from where you're sitting right now it may seem a little bit exaggerated in its wackiness, but I personally wouldn't imply they're any less naive/gullible than we are today 😛
pallid tangle
really I feel the craziest part of what the example I said is the fact the gods are personifications of things.
Like, the sun I think makes sense to praise though
The gianormous ball of heat and light that gives life? Sure praising the sun makes sense
But EVERYTHING? Even concepts we made up like war and love? Even just the planet you're standing on which is itself many things?
Wait, are the sons of Ooranos still personifications, or is it just the first few titans
sturdy igloo
so wait, people didnt worship greek gods?
@pallid tangle they very regularly 'worshipped' the gods in every day life and in societal events
(I'm basing this on my understanding of romans so keep that in mind)
e.g. a greek farmer might worship a particular god by giving a tribute in his personal shrine [Roman's had them, idk about Greeks]. this might have been for superstitious reasons (much like how we dont walk under ladders) or a more powerful belief that he was doing something
(also in a lot of cases I think they made offerings to avoid a negative effect rather than a positive effect)
Or they would regularly worship a god or all the gods at various times through the year (e.g. Halloween, Christmas etc)
pallid tangle
hm so they more just loosely believed it just in case its true, rather than actually worshiped them
like most of the people who believe in karma
sturdy igloo
really I feel the craziest part of what the example I said is the fact the gods are personifications of things.
@pallid tangle well again it's not crazy really. guess it just boils down to polytheism vs monotheism (and imo both are equally nuts let's be real). I dont want to trigger a religious debate so the last point I'll make on that point is saying stuff like X is more crazy than Y, or trying to figure out the logic behind it is kinda redundant
for personification, like sun worship is an obvious one. it's usually the first and primary deity in any religion. so I get why you think that one makes sense over the others. but if you think about it, why stop there? I mean if there's already a sun god, then why not a moon god?
so I guess it's just an extension of the logic. also, the rural farmer is probably most interested in a Harvest god, but it makes sense than the Sun god >>> the 'smaller' gods
also the ancients loved a good story so much of it probably came from embellishing stuff
pallid tangle
I guess I'm forgetting that from their perspective, earth was the only planet
The sky during the day was the sky for everything in existence, and the night sky during the night was also the only night in existance and they didn't know why the sky looked blue during the day
sturdy igloo
hm so they more just loosely believed it just in case its true, rather than actually worshiped them
@pallid tangle yes/no/maybe, probably differed from person to person. but in a general sense I think there was a baseline strong belief in gods. you'd have deviations of course but controversial opinions on religion was probably kept to themselves
I mean also people had **** to do (farming) so I doubt every single person was critically thinking about this
pallid tangle
there are some people in Greece who still worship the greek gods today though so thats weird
sturdy igloo
why is it weird
pallid tangle
because we have science now. and nobody would really have taught it to them
sturdy igloo
which country are you from?
pallid tangle
we have many reasons to believe the things we previously thought were magic
united states
sturdy igloo
if ya dont mind me asking
ok
because we have science now. and nobody would really have taught it to them
@pallid tangle should I spell this out or will the penny drop for you in a bit lol
supple linden
i mean saying "their religion is false because we know science" is kinda like. insensitive atheist talk
let people believe what they want to believe
pallid tangle
They don't have to believe all science like the big bang
pallid tangle
A scientific theory is different than a game theory
sturdy igloo
there are facts, there are theories, there are thing we know we dont know, and things we dont know that wee dont know
A scientific theory is different than a game theory
@pallid tangle incorrect
supple linden
If you are going to bring up "We know zeus isn't real because we know what causes lightning" isn't a valid excuse to dismiss their religion alone.
Christianity has some people who believe that God controls the weather, and the bible has points where god does control the weather
pallid tangle
not incorrect. a scientific theory is all but entirely proven.
supple linden
how is that any different from Zeus controlling the weather
pallid tangle
just it CAN be wrong but most likely right
watched an asap science video to figure that out myself on it myself just a sec
ivory ocean
this is better suited in #off-topic-discussion
pallid tangle
yeah it got off topic I guess
cinder harness
are there any good ranged casts for applying status besides demeter?
pulsar frigate
zeus cast is an easy crowd jolter
cinder harness
i have to get the jolt boon too though right
lofty verge
yo hold up why does my hydra look different
quiet silo
Sometimes he do that
sturdy igloo
they change when you beat the game a few times
lofty verge
i havent beaten the game yet tho 👀
mortal nebula
hydra will change heads every few runs
quiet silo
When you beat them*
mortal nebula
oh pink hydra is my least fave
supple linden
he won't use any attacks you havn't seen
he takes on one of the mini head's attack styles
quiet silo
29 clears and I still don't know the different hydra heads tbh
lofty verge
ah god the pink one is the one with the massive waves isnt it?
supple linden
||wave bullet, tracking bullet, enemy summon, AoE markers,|| I believe are the only heads
mortal nebula
it's only something I caught onto by like my 80th run
supple linden
but yes i think pink is the wave bullets
supple linden
Every boss can change in a run
Megera ||is sometimes replaced by her sisters||
Hydra ||changes his main head/attack||
Theseus ||has a different call||
[REDACTED] ||Changes the least. he has a bit of RNG to his moveset and will behave differently but not really gain any new moves||
Do you only have one death defiance or are you using stubborn defiance
supple linden
Yeah they are pretty expensive
lofty verge
yessir
fair spoke
lol
plain sluice
spear and fists are my gotos
lofty verge
dont have enough keys for fists
fair spoke
spear is great
plain sluice
spear is super fun
quiet silo
The only part of Spear I like is the dash attack
cinder harness
ok but its a really nice dash attack
celest pebble
❤️ spear dash-attack
dry hull
I like bows and cheese.
frosty basin
I'm not even aware that redacted changes at all
scenic hawk
is their any way to get specfic gods to help on the pathway i like the speed and hunter gods and their buffs but hate the drunken god buffs
sterile solar
you can get their keepsake
quiet cypress
once you have boons from 4 different gods, those are the only 4 gods you will see for the rest of the run outside of rare cases
quiet cypress
other than that yeah keepsakes manipulate
sterile solar
you can summon all olympians except hermes
formal rover
for hermes, you'll pretty much always get two of his boons unless you go out of your way to avoid him, so he'll turn up regardless
static anvil
Does ||Chaos|| count in those 4 Gods?
static anvil
Ah oki
quiet cypress
sorry i shouldve said 4 olympians
sterile solar
4 olympians except hermes
static anvil
:0
thick zealot
JUST WANT to share
i just beat hades
!!!!!!!!!!!
even though it's in god mode and 30% dmg reduction :[
sterile solar
a victory is a victory!
toxic meadow
sterile solar
look at her wind ups
they are long
you have plenty of time to get out of her attack as long as you pay attention
quiet cypress
meg always has tells for like a second before her moves
she goes into that crouch stance before her charge, pulls up before her big swing
if you dont have a deflect you can avoid her projectiles by jabbing them or avoid them by staying a decent amount of space away
atomic pond
any good builds for 4th aspect rail?
tried it with zeus so far and it wasn't that great, but I heard poseidon worked well
quaint nebula
Fire forever triple beam, you turn into a rave machine
midnight veldt
hi, can I return to the previous chamber to collect all the artifacts?
leaden whale
You can't go back
midnight veldt
I'm too weak when i face Megaera 😦
leaden whale
Too bad
You'll have to make it with what you have
Tho meg shouldn't be too hard, most of her attacks have long wind ups
sterile solar
welcome
midnight veldt
so i'm still a noob
nova owl
whats a good god for the fists?
quaint nebula
@midnight veldt just practice, don't need to ask us for help 🙂
@nova owl any, people will probably say zeus attack though or ares athena 🙂
sterile solar
this is literally a channel for help lmao
ivory ocean
@midnight veldt id recommend getting mirror upgrades, most notably dash and death defiance. learn her tells and do a Lot of dashing
misty remnant
Question: || Does Jolted replace the victim's next attack, or is the self-inflicted lighting an additional affect to the attack? ||
atomic pond
I think it's just an additional effect, otherwise you could prevent all your enemies from ever attacking you lol
sterile solar
They just take dmg when attacking
hidden acorn
any tips for beat ||hades||?
leaden whale
Stops for a while after every attack sequence, safe attack window
If your reactions are good you can attack and dodge evertime
||for the spin attack, dash in the opposite direction he goes||
Dash attacks don't have i-frames so do use the full extent of your dash when dodging
leaden whale
All weapons work, but for the sake of clearing the first time pick the shield
because it literally blocks all attacks
In the final fight at least
Besides you have all the time in the world, for now, take it slow and study
karmic quest
I have a hard time with the shield as I can never remember that it blocks basically everything. I figure something other than tremor attacks should go through it, but nope, it's just an unbreakable wall.
leaden whale
With sword and fists you'll need to be more reactionary
hidden acorn
ok this time i will try with the spear
leaden whale
Spear's quite versatile in range, spin attack goes through the pillars
hidden acorn
through the pillars? wow thats very nice strategy
lavish delta
quiet silo
generally there will be something you need to do for them
karmic quest
Anyone know what to do with Ambrosia? I think I got the dialogue saying what to do with it, but I don't quite remember it and I can't find a spot to use them.
cursive prism
It's used to gain relationship with characters way later, hold onto them
karmic quest
Alright, thanks!
fossil spindle
I just defeated the hydra on my fourth time fighting her, I used the spear
karmic quest
Hydra can get rough, especially on the second round of heads.
fossil spindle
There are many of them
warm whale
How could you? That hydra had a family
formal rover
eh, Lernie'll be fine
nova owl
wwho is ||the placeholer and where can u find him||
jade jewel
Where can I find the quests
nova helm
Quests?
scenic sparrow
is the hydra the only source of diamonds?