you really should look to taking hearts more frequently
#h1-for-new-players
supple linden
candid nimbus
Like dude, you're better than me lol
sweet root
extra hp is helpful because it gives you a buffer for mistakes
harsh leaf
Most of the healing you get throughout the game is percentage based
supple linden
I absolutely never let myself to get styx without having 200 hp at least
harsh leaf
So more max HP equals more healing total
candid nimbus
I facetank many things so I watch hp like no tomorrow
sweet root
generally I would consider heart rooms to be more valuable than gold or pom rooms
candid nimbus
It does doesn't it? 
sterile solar
I need to try that
candid nimbus
but yeah I think your skills are there, you just need more hp liminal
sweet root
huh, its unfortunate that the securiy logs dont show how much HP you had
i wanted to check back to see my max hp in my runs
generally its around 200ish though
candid nimbus
My best hp was 500 something
harsh leaf
I've hit 400 once I think
sweet root
I think focusing on that much hp probably comes at the cost of more important things
candid nimbus
Well I was using legendary sword
candid nimbus
I got 300 average
candid nimbus
but I know my playstyle lol, I take more hits than an average person
harsh leaf
200 average would imply I finish runs with less than 200 HP which is definitely not common
candid nimbus
Also wow only 150 hp at 3rd boss
gusty atlas
I would say 200 is possible
but I've never come close to 300
and 150 is probably more typical
sweet root
the last run I did I had 300 max hp but it was a fake 300 hp because I had lasting consequences on max
so I only had a total of 200 hp in the final boss
harsh leaf
Wait, liminal, have you maxed out the Mirror perk for more HP?
candid nimbus
Only grabbed like 2 hearts in that run
celest pebble
i usually run at around 200hp by final boss time
gusty atlas
I've maxed out everything except high confidence, fated persuasion, and fated authority
harsh leaf
Then I'd recommend also buying Hearts in shops more often as well
sweet root
i think boons are usually more important than hearts but hearts are usually more important than anything else (besides hammer)
celest pebble
im only doing ||low heat|| runs still though
harsh leaf
125 obol is a pretty good deal for that much max HP
candid nimbus
Centaur souls are a bit rare aren't they?
harsh leaf
Not really, no
sweet root
like I dont skip boons for hearts but I still end up with like 200ish hp in most runs
pulsar frigate
yooo
pulsar frigate
aspho literally looks like the ocean
sweet root
do you skip stores if you have low gold?
gusty atlas
@celest pebble I'm doing ||0 heat||
celest pebble
yeah buying hearts is sometimes a good idea - usually a great idea at the end of the run before doing some of the last sections rooms (if you can spare the obols)
gusty atlas
I've netted 2 clears in 108 runs
harsh leaf
I don't usually have a lot of gold to spend in the store
@gusty atlas Then ya gotta be smarter with your money. Stop buying useless Well of Charon buffs!
sweet root
I think you can shop at around 2-300 gold but if you have less you should probably just take the other room
gusty atlas
yeah, Iv'e stopped since that recording
harsh leaf
I rarely take mid-biome shops
celest pebble
yeah i started skipping the charon buffs (for the most part)
gusty atlas
but I'm still buynig boons, so maybe that's the problem shrugs
gusty atlas
because I'm still trying to get more power, because I'm doing very little dmg
harsh leaf
Well, lately I've been saving up for TB at styx
sterile solar
Yep
gusty atlas
I have so little TB
supple linden
the only charon buffs i ever get are healing if im low or more death defiances
harsh leaf
Poms if your boons are common
celest pebble
try to find a particular buff you want for 1 part of your damage output and focus on it
harsh leaf
These are also good
celest pebble
you dont need buffs to attack and special and cast and dash
sweet root
boons are usually valuable but its important to know what you're looking for before you take the boon
celest pebble
just focus on 1-2 of those (or even just 1)
also, athenas call is bloody fantastic and can save you some major headaches during boss fights
sweet root
most calls are really good
athena's call might be best but the other ones are pretty valuable too
celest pebble
any of the calls that make you invulnerable are what i'd recommend if you're struggling to get consistent clears
harsh leaf
I like taking those for the non-directional laser
celest pebble
also not sure which mirror traits you've picked but the extra dash and extra 50hp are my go-to for survival
gusty atlas
candid nimbus
Liminal's mirror looks fine
gusty atlas
I swap between SD and DD
candid nimbus
Could swap golden touch out if spending obols everywhere maybe
harsh leaf
Oh, you need to swap gold
harsh leaf
If you arent saving money for the last store, it's not good
sterile solar
Yeah if you're spending a lot of money switch to deep pockets
celest pebble
ahh ok i personally would swap the dark regen, the defiance and the gold
sweet root
i would recommend you swap golden touch and olympian favor
harsh leaf
Always go with the extra 100
sterile solar
^
sweet root
golden touch is only good for farming runs
sterile solar
Unless you dont plan to shop
harsh leaf
Maybe even Purse for an instant 250
sweet root
and the other half of olympian favor is really good
death defiance is usually better too imo, and I like chthonic vitality a bit more than dark regeneration, but either is fine
candid nimbus
Build some bonds too, I'm sure that'll help too...
harsh leaf
If you're having trouble, also consider that Priviledged Status is an incredible attack buff if you manage to keep it up
sterile solar
Yeah the mirror looks fine, id just switch golden touch for deep pockets
candid nimbus
Sisyphus is a good bond 
celest pebble
the thing about death defiance is that even if you use them up during the run, you can fill them back up with athena and patroclus and then have them "stacked" for the final boss fight
harsh leaf
Death Defiance is definitely better overall unless you're so bad you're actually dying in each room
Which is a thing that can totally happen later on when ||you run at very high heat||
celest pebble
stubborn defiance seems to only be a slow progress option OR a ||super high heat|| run strat
for normal runs DD seems vastly superior
harsh leaf
DD is how you learn boss fights
sterile solar
Dd is better unless you're dying in every single room
harsh leaf
Reach heroes, use two defiances, die in styx. Do this enough times until you only use one DD, get to the end boss. Then maybe you'll stop losing DD to heroes and have more for styx etc
sterile solar
That's how it was for me^
harsh leaf
And again, DD restores half your max HP, so pumping those Centaur Hearts really pays off
candid nimbus
Also, how much damage are you expecting to do to decide when it's not little?
celest pebble
ive had some runs where ive been super disappointed with my damage output towards the end of the run - it makes the last boss fight a massive slog but its still doable (but man my wrist/forearm tends to hurt a bit afterwards ><)
sterile solar
gusty atlas
it's a fair question poke, and it's a race right? I have to kill them before they kill me. Right now they're winning the race.
harsh leaf
I had a low damage run once where I used all my DDs on Redacted and survived at 9 HP. Learned how to build bow better after that
it's a fair question poke, and it's a race right? I have to kill them before they kill me. Right now they're winning the race.
@gusty atlas There's another side to that equation....
don't get hit
gusty atlas
My only wins were w/ stubborn roots trying to hide and heal and chip away, but when I tried to do it again, I couldn't dmg him fast enough and he killed me.
soo
candid nimbus
Hm
harsh leaf
Dodging bosses' attacks is something you can train
candid nimbus
Can't really outdamage bosses sadly
sterile solar
Gotta learn to dodge
harsh leaf
Took me a loooong time to dodge heroes, I'll tell ya that much
gusty atlas
man I'm trying
sterile solar
Sounds like a gitgud tip. But is the truth
celest pebble
oh, i also recommend putting on the acorn either after elysium (or if still struggling with the mighty duo) then equipping the acorn after asphodel
sterile solar
Dodging is a big mechanic in most roguelikes
celest pebble
that acorn is amazing vs final boss and still quite good vs elysium bosses
sterile solar
^
harsh leaf
In Hades, healing comes at a very costly premium. The best thing is to not get hit in the first place
candid nimbus
Whoops.
celest pebble
yeah you can "dodge through" every attack in this game (or at least close to?) but you gotta learn the timing
harsh leaf
You can usually afford to take some hits from a boss, given that there is a Fountain after them, but too much and you start losing DDs
candid nimbus
liminal also doesn't have that much hp during boss fights too I guess?
celest pebble
also, i dont know if you know about the god mode option @gusty atlas ? but its a good one to turn on if you're having trouble
candid nimbus
150 at boss 3 I couldn't do it
gusty atlas
I don't always have it on
sterile solar
Oh
gusty atlas
but it's at 60%
harsh leaf
120~ish health plus SD probably means he's running around at 35 HP for most of the game
gusty atlas
so I've turned it on several times
harsh leaf
No wonder you have issues
celest pebble
i think im usually running about 175-200 by 3rd boss
and i tend to only get the shop heart at the last section unless i have to 5-sack the bloody place ><
harsh leaf
Also, always go for the Centaur Heart first in Styx
candid nimbus
Main thing is the hp I suppose. From the video it looks like you may overcommit to attacks a little as Asterius get ssome good jumps on you. But I guess your reaction time isn't speed?
I see a jump coming and you'll get whacked ~2-3 instances
with low hp that's half-3/4 your hp
sweet root
nah in styx I always do the boss rooms
since the boss rooms give better rewards and are somehow easier than the non-boss rooms
if one of the boss rooms is a heart then thats a high priority
harsh leaf
Heart first assures you have that max HP before you hit the sack
celest pebble
i mean ||the stupid tiny rat|| is not what i would call "easier" but otherwise, i find them about the same
yeah heart first if you're going for it for sure
harsh leaf
i mean ||the stupid tiny rat|| is not what i would call "easier" but otherwise, i find them about the same
@celest pebble Such is the risk we take
candid nimbus
I go heart second sometimes lol, since first can never be heart doesn't really mattertoo much to me
silent trail
Could someone explain having multiple boons that inflict Hangover status? If the attack does 4 hangover and special does 5 what do they actually take??
candid nimbus
I thought each instance was it's own so it adds
harsh leaf
Tiny tots is also the reason why I try to save my companion charges for styx...
sweet root
dont take multiple boons that inflict hangover
candid nimbus
Oh does it no add?
sweet root
no
silent trail
Ahh okay then.
harsh leaf
Different sources of hangover don't overwrite eachother, sadly
silent trail
Thank you!
harsh leaf
So if you have Dio's Aid, dont take ANY other hangover
sweet root
yeah dio's call is really strong by itself but if you have any other hangover then it gets considerably worse
harsh leaf
This is also the reason why Dio's Dash might be the worst boon in the game
sweet root
nah the worst boon in the game is definitely poseidon attack :^)
its actively harmful for like half of the weapons to have poseidon attack/special
celest pebble
i dunno, poseidon attack on ranged weapons is pretty funny
candid nimbus
I uh went rail pos attack once, it was... amusing, not the greatest but lol
harsh leaf
Pos attack on shield with double strike plus support boons is an actual thing I did and it was great
celest pebble
but you really gotta go all in on combining it with zeus for all the pushing/slamming/lightning fun
sweet root
poseidon is fine for ranged builds
not great but it's perfectly fine
but on melee builds poseidon on your primary button basically makes the game unplayable
frosty basin
Poseidon attack on shield/spear might work depending on the rest of your boons I guess?
Might
candid nimbus
Pos special malphon is fun
celest pebble
oh, yeah, dont poseidon attack fists, like, ever ><
candid nimbus
They're a yoyo
celest pebble
poseidon special on talos? hmmm
attack no, but special maybe π
@gusty atlas if you're doing any more runs today/tonight keep us posted please π
supple linden
i had a fun poseidon fist attack run
i also had magnetic special with posiedon so I just had just had a little one two combo i'd do
gusty atlas
@celest pebble more luck! 3rd clear. chill zag spear + zeus cast, which someone suggested, ended up with a couple duos / legendaries || zeus / demeter duo, zeus legendary, athena / demeter duo||. Somehow, didn't actually use up my DDs on redacted, which is something new. Spent a *decent pathing focus on hearts, ended up with 350 hp, and actually had a good amount of gold too. Something to reflect on.
frosty basin
Zeus legendary is always a good time even if you only have Thunder Dash to proc
What does Athena/Demeter duo do again
gusty atlas
heals if you have no DD's left
never procced because I had DD's left
first win I got w/o it thougch
frosty basin
Ah that's neat
The nice thing about final boss is that you can theoretically no-damage him by abusing dash i-frames
Not that I can do it reliably myself because I have the reflexes of an old man
harsh leaf
Learning is happening. Congrats liminal!
gusty atlas
I mean, doubling my typical hp probably helped π
celest pebble
awesome! great work @gusty atlas β€οΈ
zinc kindle
||if I release Orpheus to see his wife, will I never see him again?? Also how much gameplay is there after the βtrue endβ?||
also sorry if those questions have been asked a lot
supple linden
I believe there is no missable content
while i havn't done it. chances are ||that you can either talk to him while visiting the woman. or he just shows up at the house anyways||
zinc kindle
Oh okay thank you so much
hidden roost
How does doom work? If i attack with my attack that gives doom and then my special that gives doom before the first one triggers does it only do the damage of the first one?
dreamy locust
guys so I just got hades yesterday and I ||came close to killing hades like 3 times now how long does it take to escape?||
I want to know if I'm doing above or below average?
frosty basin
Please spoiler tag the final boss
My time usually hovers around 25-30 minutes total start to finish and I have been getting faster
marsh ether
There isn't a specific number of escape attempts in which you're supposed to win. Everyone has their own.
marsh ether
Take your time, there's a buttload of things to do anyway
frosty basin
It's going to be a lot easier if you unlock most if not all of your mirror talents
dreamy locust
yeah I think i'm at my 12th or 15th run
frosty basin
Game can't handle you winning too fast, the dialogue ends up lagging behind sometimes though I think SGG tried to account for it
marsh ether
There is unique dialog for if you finish the game at various points of various quests
So at least they thought of the possibility
celest pebble
my first clear was in the late 20s but then couldnt get another clear again for like 5 runs and now i clear most runs i do
i know theres some who got their first clear in sub-10 runs and others who have taken over 50 to get their first clear
marsh ether
Seeing around I think the norm is 25-30
A lot of the people going sub 10 are like me and have done multiple playthroughs
fresh meadow
Somewhere in the 20s is what i hear from most people yeah. But it's a bell curve
rose lance
anyone know how to have thanatos companion ?
sly vigil
First clear sub 10 is questionable territory.
fresh meadow
i'd say "number of runs for your first clear" doesn't really count any more if you've already done a playthrough π
isn't really your "first" at that point
marsh ether
@rose lance beat him by a lot, then RNG dialog
rose lance
hmm ok ty ^^
sly vigil
Wait, isn't Than Companion unlocked via affinity?
marsh ether
But you see, my first clear was like, run 150 ish
sly vigil
The same as other companions?
marsh ether
Yes but you need his favor
fresh meadow
there's a lock on the heart after you've filled him up with nectar, the same as other companions
that ... might have been very poor phrasing
light flame
do you get more darkness at higher heat? or if I plan to farm some darkness do I just go no heat
sly vigil
Nope
dense laurel
i think just do no heat since its faster and u get darkness from bosses
but i fo remember u get a percentage more for every heat level u get
sly vigil
Darkness farm = go fast (some heat can indeed help) + dark thirst + Poseidon boon
gray haven
@hidden roost yeah, like you said. Only one instance of Doom can be applied at a time.
dense laurel
u fogot chaos @sly vigil
gray haven
If they're right, who's left?
sly vigil
Not me, I'm going to sleep soon.
dense laurel
then poseidon isnt reliable too, need fated persuasion for both
sly vigil
You can force Poseidon, at least
dense laurel
u can force chaos
sly vigil
How?
proper basin
lmfao people here beat final boss on their 20th run meanwhile im at my 55th and have only reached it twice, forget winning
gray haven
The real way to farm Darkness is to die a lot ||at 50+ Heat||.
celest pebble
nah the egg only stops you from losing hp when you go into the void
dense laurel
use charon well and buy chaos
sly vigil
I mean that's not "force" still
gray haven
That's not reliable. Well items are RNG.
sly vigil
But we are splitting hair
celest pebble
yeah buying chaos is good if you can, but all RNG
celest pebble
poseidon + low heat + dark thirst weapon choice + gotta go fast = best
dense laurel
and get bouldy keepsake for a little bit darkness too i guess
gray haven
I wonder if taking Eris on every run wouldn't be faster than going for Dark Thirst.
sly vigil
Thing is you don't really need to farm darkness, not anymore.
With the mirror price changes at 1.0, suddenly you need way less darkness.
sly vigil
If you are farming for those, I don't think you should be posting in #h1-for-new-players xD
celest pebble
i need darkness for fated mirror
dense laurel
still, if for new players, the last 3 mirror stuff is veryexpensive
sly vigil
Well my point is it used to be a lot more expensive.
When you can stack 10 Authority rolls.
celest pebble
how do you stack 10? keys?
sly vigil
Mirror used to let you have 10 Authority rolls
Now it's 8.
Prices go up almost exponentially.
So 9th and 10th upgrades used to be very expensive. Now they just don't exist.
gray haven
They also didn't exist previously. 
sly vigil
Nothing can go over my head. I'm too fast. I will catch it.
dense laurel
how bout u catch these hands
gray haven
Sure. 1v1 in the courtyard.
dense laurel
i legit just realized the ||olympus trophy|| in the courtyard coz theres nothing there
muted latch
on a darkness farming run you can pretty easily get like 800
near shuttle
Chaos + poseidon for extra 
amber kite
So I've got around 3 hours in this game but it hasn't pulled me in nearly as much as I thought it might
Maybe I'm comparing it to Dead Cells which I have 350 hours in, and is purely gameplay focused (aka. a "podcast" game)
I love the unlocking new permanent upgrades, weapons, skills, mutations, etc in Dead Cells whereas I've found in this that the mirror doesn't do too much (though I hadn't unlocked it that far) and I wasn't too big into the randomness of the boons or daedalus upgrades which don't carry on to next runs. I think I'll try and go into it again with a fresh mind, so can anyone give me some advice to not compare it with Dead Cells and overall getting better at the game or what it has that might hook me in more?
pastel cipher
the narrative is a much larger focus of Hades than any other rogue-lite that has come before it
to the point where imo the rogue-lite gameplay is there to facilitate the narrative
so going into this expecting something similar to dead cells won't give you the best impressions
amber kite
Ah, maybe that's why π€ I'm looking at it as a pure gameplay focused rogue-lite rather than a narrative story-focused rogue-lite
muted latch
Hades is more of a SGG single player narrative game with roguelite gameplay
not a Roguelite first at heart
sterile solar
i came here for roguelike
stayed for the story
completed the story, stayed for the roguelike
never ending cycle, just like a roguelike
marsh ether
I'm on a second playthrough, and yes I do enjoy the gameplay, but I'm mostly doing runs to unlock more of the story. It's good enough to still be enjoyable even though I already know what's happening
gusty atlas
I found that this game pulled me in way further than deadcells. I couldn't get into deadcells, probably because I liked how they handled the narrative better.
bold nexus
as someone who has never cared about a story on a game, this game has me hooked. I literally couldn't care less about the story, or 'narrative', I'm just enjoying the pew pew
frail marlin
how much do you recommend this game from 1 (Dont bother) to 10? (buy it now no matter the price)
bold nexus
That depends on if you like Roguelike games. If you hate these kind of games then it's unlikely you'd enjoy it, however if you like them then I would say it's well worth a shot
but everyone has their own opinion, like everything. I'd recommend watching some youtube reviews/videos and see what you think
frail marlin
I like rougelikes with progression. like Undermine
bold nexus
as mentioned above, there is progression but this is a more "story orientated roguelite". As you progress there is more story to uncover. There is plenty of replayability once the story is 'complete' though
frail marlin
Thats great! I want a game with an ending but its replayable. how long is it?
dense laurel
i mean i dont even like roguelites, but hades provided a risk reward mechanic and weapon aspects that are very fun to play with, and the narrative is great
for the "normal ending", just need 10x clears
frail marlin
Wow thats great. ill watch some videos on it. i think ill get it for sure!
btw whats better for this game, controller or M&K?
dense laurel
controller imo
leaden whale
M&K is pretty good, did not try controller however. There's already aim asist so no need for high precision
dense laurel
i tried both and from my personal experience, controller seems to have a smoother feel (?)
frail marlin
hm... ok ill take a look. thanks for the help!
scarlet crag
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leaden whale
The kind that doesn't require much attention so you could easliy listen to a podcast while playing
Like Borderlands, Enter the Gungeon, Candy Crush, Terraria
scarlet crag
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leaden whale
Ok you may get shafted if you don't pay attention in Enter the Gungeon yes
hot yoke
That's why I said subtle flex
frosty basin
podcast game is such a strange way to put it
hot yoke
I have a lot of games where I like to put podcasts/vids in the background
It's kind of nice playing something to keep your brain busy and listening to stuff you wanted to in a long time
frosty basin
I can do with putting my own music on the background but not podcasts or audiobooks or the like but depends on the game yeah
Something like Euro Truck Sim (disclaimer: never played it) counts? anyway
sour kite
I'm not pr0 enough to split my brain like that
if i try to listen to my gf talking about dinner I take 100 damage from traps
:)
hot yoke
I'd rather just not play euro sim and listen to a podcast while staring at a wall and contemplating life
sour kite
that's ok, we just have Hades instead so we can contemplate death
hot yoke
I'd never pot on stuff while playing hades
I like the dialogue, sounds and music too much
sour kite
hot yoke
Nah I have hades so I don't have to contemplate anything
molten ridge
Am I the only one whose butt clenches when mention of Roguelike vs. Roguelite happens because you just find the distinction relatively meaningless and how all modern games of both genres have massively diverged from Rogue because Rogue wasn't exactly the pinnacle of it's own design?
molten ridge
Lmao
formal rover
tbh i'm not even sure the people who use the distinction can really agree on what the difference is
hot yoke
Who cares lol
molten ridge
Who cares lol
@hot yoke a LOT of people will die on the hill of Roguelike vs. lite
hot yoke
Rogulite is supposed to be with permanent progression systems
formal rover
yeah a lot of people care
hot yoke
Roguelike without
formal rover
for some reason
hot yoke
Also it's similar to the game rogue that's why it's called roguelike
Well ig it's a genre difference
There is merit In the distinction bit one shouldn't lose their crap about it lol
formal rover
yeah there's sort of a vague consensus as to what the difference is, but it doesn't seem to be the objective line in the sand that some people seem to think it is
molten ridge
Hence butt clenching. The usage of the terms doesn't bother me but I always feel like it's a stone's toss away from ending up in internet fisticuffs
formal rover
lol fair
leaden whale
sony players have aim assist right? on adamant rail
scarlet crag
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molten ridge
Oh well? It's toggleable lol
stoic goblet
trying to find a good set of binds 
big fan of
cast-A
dash-Rt. stick
attack-B
special-Y
call-X
messed around with special on left trigger during a rail run and it felt great, but awful for melee weapons wrt special usage
are there any plans on weapon-specific keybinds?
molten ridge
Priority 1 is to rebind Reload
stoic goblet
another great idea
molten ridge
R3 is a meme at this point lol
stoic goblet
ive moved codex/boons gifting etc to the Dpad
stoic goblet
reload on LT would be nice
molten ridge
And I think I use default past that
gusty atlas
same
stoic goblet
dash on B?
gusty atlas
codex is useful, but not as useful as reload
molten ridge
Dash is on A by default
molten ridge
Shrug, yeah, early on is the best time to mess with controls
stoic goblet
mhm ive only cleared 3x so far so ive got tons of time to get used to new controls
molten ridge
My current hangup is switching between PC Xbox controller and Switch, where Confirm and Cancel are hard-bound to opposite buttons
stoic goblet
same im on switch only, i like the game in a handheld format
scarlet crag
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molten ridge
I do too, it's just way easier to record and make screenshots on PC
And to make temp saves etc.
stoic goblet
is there anywhere to submit feetback wrt weapon specific binds?
gusty atlas
I didn't know it was on switch when I bought it, would have avoided some headaches
molten ridge
nvm, I thought you said builds, but either way here, or there is fine
oh I'm on PC w/ a switch controller
@gusty atlas Does that retain the confirm/cancel bindings?
gusty atlas
I don't actually know becauasue I've never used a x-box controller. A is confirm, B is cancel for everything. The thing that gets weird is that the game will say something like "Press b to claim", and I need to hit the A button...
molten ridge
As in, A is Confirm, B is Cancel for both controllers
gusty atlas
so I assume?
molten ridge
But the positions of those buttons are reversed on Switch and everything else (shakes fist at Nintendo)
gusty atlas
there's a steam setting to switch the buttons, but I haven't figured out if it does anything
because the only time I tried toggling it, I also somehow managed to disable the controller entirely
molten ridge
That's... something lol
What I meant by the question is when you're using a Switch controller on your PC, do you still press A to confirm and B to cancel
molten ridge
That's interesting. I may switch to that for consistency
gusty atlas
even when the in game dialogue says to press b
if the in game dialogue says to press b, I press a
molten ridge
Oh that's terribly confusing lmao
molten ridge
Delightful
candid nimbus
Oh golly that sounds fun
gusty atlas
the place it's caused the most confdusion is the ||fated list of minor prophecies||, which is a pretty innocuous place to be confused
and skelly
molten ridge
Wells of Charon and Pools of Purging have historically been nail-biting anxiety machines when I switch between control schemes lol
gusty atlas
I've only ever used the one controller scheme
so I'm not switching
if I tried to switch the button layout, that may be annoying
the other possibility, is that it may be making things like dash-attack vs dash-special more awkward, or dash vs cast a different layout idk
if I were more used to playing with a controller in general, one could make the argument it's why I'm bad at dashing
but honestly, I don't think that's it π
might be somethnig I xperimnt with next time I'm getting frustrated though
sour kite
@molten ridge lil bit late tho the party, but no you're not the only one. Yes I know there's a difference, and people do get fixated on the differences. But honestly I personally do not see the reason to get all that pedantic about the distinction, as you said both genres are a far cry from the original Rogue
The thing is one could argue that Roguelites are less hardcore because they have some progression system and it isn't raw skill and personal improvement that leads to further progression. At the same time though, yes Hades is a roguelite, but that's interwoven with the other kind of progression: I think it's very clever how they've interwoven story and character progression with the permanent game effect progression
molten ridge
Acorn, Coinpurse, Gods, Tooth, Bone Hourglass
leaden whale
oh is acorn that good
5 hits negated at max rank, during boss fights
That's like almost 200 for the final boss. Tooth can only tank 100 at max
oh damn ye that is good
i didnt realise final boss had another phase and got clapped by him haha so acorn would have saved me so hard there
It sure helps
Hehe neither I knew they had another, saw someone die at the inital shockwave, terrible
sweet root
acorn gets better the higher you go in ||heat||
and its already very good at 0 ||heat||
leaden whale
Gotta [REDACTED] the [DATA EXPUNGED] man
limber zealot
Iβve definitely been considering porting across to Acorn, I didnβt realize that Plume and ZagFists had dimishing returns with each other because of how dodge% math works
harsh leaf
I mean, it's still pretty good. 15% and 20~ish% multiplicate nicely, but yeah it's not straight additive like other modifiers
molten ridge
Also consider that while they may scale multiplicatively, each percentage of Dodge gained is still better than any previous percentage, so it mostly evens out. Also unlike Damage Reduction, increasing Dodge chance decreases the deviation of the dodges, which is also great.
So don't let multiplication sway you away from using Plume if that's your jam.
pastel dust
Hi, I've escaped with zagreus sword, guan yu spear, chaos shield, chiron bow, talos fists, and eris rail, any other fun aspects I should try out?
harsh leaf
Yeah. All the others
pastel dust
I don't have infinite titan blood though
verbal kettle
(3rd biome spoilers)
||Am I supposed to kill Theseus before the minotaur? I'm always trying to kill the latter first but then Theseus is like perma-blocking everything...||
undone pine
minotaur first makes the rest of the fight easier
pastel dust
also I've find it kinda hard to kill theseus first
tiny pike
Killing minotaur is usually easier
pastel dust
killing the bull first is easier imo
quiet cypress
||kill minotaur first until you get builds/summons strong enough to murk both at the same time||
||if you have a summon already just dps both of them to half and try to get your summon AoE to kill them both post intang||
cosmic willow
if u get a boon u want, but it's common, is it a good idea to wait to pick it up to see if u can get higher rarity?
quiet cypress
no just take it
especially if you need it for your build/havent seen that god before
taking any boon there locks them into your pool of gods
cosmic willow
what do u mean
quiet cypress
so the way the game works it'll give you random gods until you choose 4 different gods
after that point you'll only see those gods unless you use a keepsake or in very rare occasions where a fifth god is offered in shop while the fourth god is in the next room
cosmic willow
ooo didn't know that
is it better to take one or two gods to focus on those or better to diversify or is just weapon dependent
quiet cypress
weapon dependent
a good strat early on is if you know you like a certain duo or certain boons, aim for those and make choices based on how much it increases your chance of getting the duo you want
cosmic willow
is it possible to increase your chances of getting a certain god or two? for example if I only looked for poseidon and avoided taking any other gods would it eventually do something similar like the four boon lock in and only show me poseidon?
quiet cypress
no it'll keep force feeding you the other 7 gods as well
cosmic willow
i see ty
gentle needle
hi. im semi new to hades and just unlocked aspects. i used pretty much all of my blood of hera bow and i like it, but now i see i would rather the hidden shield aspect. but i dont have blood for it. so any tips on the aspect of hera bow?
harsh leaf
Common boons really benefit from even a single Pom level, too
gentle needle
also what keepsakes should i be going for? atm im going for that tree lady in asphodel and patroclus but idk
harsh leaf
Going for? You get keepsakes with just one ambrosia
gentle needle
nectar*
harsh leaf
Deepening bonds have no effect on the actual keepsakes
gentle needle
i know but what keepsakes should i get first?
gentle needle
i dont have too many nectars and i dont wanna waste them. which are "better" or more usefull
harsh leaf
But seriously, all of them.
gentle needle
ok then. but that acorn from the tree lady and patroclus are good right? or am i dumb?
harsh leaf
They're okay, but if you're still worried you dont have enough TB or nectar, you're not using them to their full potential
quiet cypress
patroclus isnt very good imo but i also just try not to get hit π€·ββοΈ
harsh leaf
They get much better at higher difficulties
quiet cypress
acorn is very good at high difficulties but yeah ^^^^
gentle needle
ok. atm i go hypnos first world for more coins and then swap to skellys for an extra budget death defience in second world and then idk what after. just a god? then which?
harsh leaf
Spear tip is pretty good for styx and multi-laser in specific, but yeah Acorn is probably the best damage reduction overall
Cerberus is probably better than Skelly
Skelly only gives you 100 HP once, Cerberus gives you a ton over the whole game through increased fountain healing
quaint nebula
Just get whatever
gentle needle
ahh ok. so start with hypnos, then into cerb or a god?
bold nexus
Skelly only gives you 100 HP once, Cerberus gives you a ton over the whole game through increased fountain healing
@harsh leaf How so? I usually only find 1 fountain
quaint nebula
It really doesn't matter
harsh leaf
Dont worry about God keepsakes until you actually care about builds
quaint nebula
if you're a new player, you shouldn't know what the keepsakes are anyway
harsh leaf
@harsh leaf How so? I usually only find 1 fountain
@bold nexus There's a fountain after each boss man
gentle needle
ok then. just one more thing. are there any gods or keepsakes that i should be using for an aspect of hera run?
harsh leaf
hera is the cast bow, right? Start with a keepsake of whichever cast boon you want
gentle needle
ooff. idk that. the only i remember is poseidon
verbal kettle
If i'm supposed to kill the minotaur first, how do I deal with theseus constantly blocking my attacks 
harsh leaf
ooff. idk that. the only i remember is poseidon
@gentle needle Then dont worry about keepsakes and keep learning the game!
Just go play
lyric forge
If i'm supposed to kill the minotaur first, how do I deal with theseus constantly blocking my attacks :sadwiggly:
@verbal kettle Keep your distance from him and bait out his spear throw. Whenever he throws the spear he'll turn around and walk away from you guaranteed, that's your cue to hit him.
nimble sun
I kill Mino first always but I've only recently started killing Theseus first.
Mino positioning and atk is easier to predict. But he has more hp but Theseus has blocking.
It usually takes the same amount of time to kill either one of them. It just depends on whether you're better at dodging who's attack.
gentle needle
what is the boon called that makes it so my bow shoots 3 shots? like 1 directly and 1 45 defrees to each side. and what god gives it?
gentle needle
oh ok
nova helm
Daedalus is not a god, and apparently can't escape building labyrinths, even after death xDD
tawdry sand
and Hades isn't dumb enough to lock him in a tower with his son and all the wing making materials in the world
nova helm
Ah... so that's why Apollo and Helios aren't in the game.
rapid spruce
At least Helios is mentioned
vs Apollo who isnt even mentioned by his own twin sister
nova helm
He is mentioned by Orpheus
sterile solar
I wouldnt recommend killing theseus first, since that enrages mino, making him even scarier
supple linden
i feel like some gods were left out just beacause they were too similar
like Eros and Aphrodite
Eros would have been more fitting to have charm though
rapid spruce
hes not an olympian so that one makes sense at least
supple linden
eh
dreamy locust
guys so I'm on like my 35th run and I haven't beaten the final boss yet
how long on avg does it take to win?
I have 16 hrs in the game
rapid spruce
it doesnt matter trust me
dreamy locust
oh ok
rapid spruce
its not a race
supple linden
it took me 22 runs but some people take 90 or even >100 runs
dreamy locust
dang
tbh
I gave up on a few rounds
bc my boons were bad or smth
and plus most of the game is rng right?
rapid spruce
more or less
there is some rng manipulation
if you just keep upgrading the mirror and all that youll still be making progress
tawdry sand
mm for me personally as a long time roguelike player I think the game is perhaps more deterministic than I'd like
supple linden
If you want a nice spear build I have one i like to use
tawdry sand
you can have a pretty big impact on how the run comes out based on your choices, and depending on what you have unlocked
Have you offered nectar to the various gods? Equipping one of their keepsakes will mean the next boon you see is from that god.
supple linden
α΅Λ‘Λ’α΅ α΅α΅αΆΚ°βΏαΆ¦αΆα΅Λ‘Λ‘ΚΈ α΅Κ°αΆ¦Λ’ α΅α΅α΅α΅ αΆ¦Λ’ α΅ Κ³α΅α΅α΅α΅Λ‘αΆ¦α΅α΅
tawdry sand
Yeah I know and agree, if we're being pedantic I didn't say Hades was a roguelike, I just said that as a roguelike player and made a comparison π
And yeah if you're having difficulty just try and focus on learning something from each run, making some incremental progress.
nova helm
i feel like some gods were left out just beacause they were too similar
@supple linden I expect gods weren't 'left out' so much as they were added in until the roster is what we have now. 'What do we have already? What can we add?'. Ares and Athena have a heavy overlap, and they both made it.
rapid spruce
overlap how?
nova helm
They're both war gods
rapid spruce
ehhhh I mean technically
nova helm
Ares is bloodlust war, Athena is generalship/military strategy
tawdry sand
Yeah like Hephaestus could have been in but what boons would he have? He could have had the hammer boons but there aren't enough of them really, maybe he could have had some synergy boons like Hermes that makes you better in general idk?
rapid spruce
Hephaestus is also associated with fire
but what effect would fire have
dot? thats just dio
tawdry sand
Fair, but then the question is how to make fire mechanically different from lightning or hangover or just DAMAGE
quiet cypress
yeah
nova helm
Well yeah, most of the gods have more than one domain. Hermes shows off quite a few in Hades.
supple linden
I was thinking of Hades boons using fire adn i came up with a good difference
tawdry sand
Also I think leaving some gods off the table allows for future content patches or DLCs to add more
supple linden
Fire would be a lower DoT then Hangover, but it spreads via contact and can be upgraded to leave trails.
tier 2 would be burn, which increases the effects of statuses
nova helm
I'm not expecting DLC. Hoping for it though.
rapid spruce
if fire added splash dmg thatd be neat
supple linden
Fire would be the infectious DoT
rapid spruce
might be too good
quiet cypress
i think they also said 1.0 is the end point as intended iirc
tawdry sand
Hangover can spread already
quiet cypress
so i wouldnt expect dlc necessarily
supple linden
w-well
tawdry sand
mm interesting, I really expected more
quiet cypress
peer pressure is the worse PP in the game
tawdry sand
pp?
supple linden
||urine||
rapid spruce
lul
tawdry sand
:sigh:
rapid spruce
but yah I dont think it could be a dot
nova helm
We have a couple of dots anyway.
quiet cypress
pressure points > peer pressure
tawdry sand
For sure
nova helm
I might give Heph more defensive/cc boons. Play on the forgemaster aspect with iron and steel rather than fire.
But I'd want Apollo to show up before Heph, tbh xDD
rapid spruce
I highly doubt we're getting anything new
nova helm
I don't expect it. But I'd still like it.
tawdry sand
see I thought they picked the rogue-ish genre in part because it's so modular and easy to slot in more content to an already working base game
rapid spruce
thats no how SG does things though
they like to jump to the next project after finishing a game
nova helm
I dunno though, Hades is a departure from their usual in a number of ways.
tawdry sand
regardless whatever they do it has a pretty high chance of being a great game
nova helm
I do expect they picked the roguelike because they had a strong idea for how that style of game could be used in a narrative, and also because it's something that you can tweak in response to all that player feedback gathered during Early Access.
sterile solar
The best of their games and the perfect roguelike imo
nova helm
It's so good.
tawdry sand
yeah it's definitely a top game
hot yoke
Before that game I thought you can't actually tell a compelling story through a roguelite
Game changer
tawdry sand
it's 100% the best narrative in a roguelite
nova helm
It's easily my GOTY. And I am very attached to the characters and their stories.
quiet cypress
it's probably this game or TLOU2 for my GOTY but they're both so different
hot yoke
Idk tlou2 was kinda weak imo
nova helm
I would love SGG to produce more content in this world, with these characters. I know that's got a slim chance of happening, but I do love it and I do want more.
pastel cipher
It's definitely the game I've enjoyed most this year (Hades that is)
tawdry sand
I don't think it's gonna quite unseat any of my favourite rogue-<subgenre goes here> games of all time but it's close enough to that conversation while being superb in other areas (narrative, character design, music, writing) in ways that far outstrip them that it stands alone as a fantastic and quite unique game.
hot yoke
The year is trash
At least I got hades
tawdry sand
Like for me Zag doesn't control quite as well and the combat isn't really as fluid or dynamic as Dead Cells, and the runs aren't as random and full of weirdness and unexpected interactions and synergies as Isaac (and in general the runs are way more deterministic) but it blows both of those games out of the water, like utterly annihilates them, when it comes to all other aspects.
nova helm
I find Hades more fun because my runs rarely feel similar in terms of my playstyle. However, even if I liked the gameplay less, I'd still be playing for the narrative and characters.
sterile solar
Yeah I love how different runs are
nova helm
Zag is one of my fave protagonists in any game too.
rapid spruce
Its difficult because two top-tier roguelites released this year
quiet cypress
what are the other two
tawdry sand
I think Transistor is probably still my favourite Supergiant game, but if I were writing a favourites list Hades would also make the cut and that'd probably make Supergiant the only studio with two games on it. Transistor really resonated with me emotionally, and I love Red.
pastel cipher
I thought the protag was ||bouldy ||
quiet cypress
hot yoke
tawdry sand
RoR wasn't really for me
sterile solar
Man I loved spelunky 2, but holy moly is that game hard
Yes I know im trash, but I like to blame it on the game aight
nova helm
I've not played it. I might at some point. It's on my list. But for now... Hades xDD
sterile solar
nova helm
... That is bloody adorable
hot yoke
Plenty more to go :D
sterile solar
The game is endless
nova helm
And I still want more. It's so good.
quiet cypress
i have 200 hours lol
nova helm
I think have 120-ish?
dreamy locust
guys so I have the shield with zeus aspect and i'm wondering if there is a way to like control it
bc when I throw it it sometimes sits in a corner or smth
and doesn't attack anything
is there a way to make it like follow people?
hot yoke
You can recall it with pressing special again
candid nimbus
Gotta keep recalling it and sending it out
hot yoke
After that it follows you around
With well timed dodges you can kite it
Basically only limited by your skill with it
dreamy locust
huh ok
hot yoke
Otherwise you can use it to deal huge damage to a more or less stationary target if you get the distance down
dreamy locust
I thought it would be op with like doom or hangover or smth since I thought it was homing
hot yoke
Try it with the merciful end duo boon
Athena dash+ attack and ares special
It's very good with doom
Provided you get the duo boon
And to a lesser extent the boom that stacks doom damage
dreamy locust
ok
but getting a specific duo boon is rng right?
I already have ares doom attack and special
hot yoke
Doom doesn't stack
candid nimbus
Still rng yeah, but can get the chances to be pretty good
hot yoke
So applying multiple dooms isn't a thing
dreamy locust
but my doom on my attack is 100 and on the special is 80
hot yoke
There is a boon that makes damage stack but the duo is superior
hot yoke
Prolly cause it's a higher rarity
candid nimbus
The combo I suspect is having shield stack doom and attack to proc the doom
hot yoke
But you want doom on an attack that lets you regularly apply it
candid nimbus
Oh I guess that is better
dreamy locust
yeah I use attack more than special I think
hot yoke
Depending on how late your in the run it might be to late
dreamy locust
I'm in tartarus
hot yoke
But usually you never want doom I'm both attack and special with any weapon
dreamy locust
oh ok
hot yoke
I'd recommend you also unlock all the gods keepsake for consistency
dreamy locust
yeah
leaden whale
What are the best boons for the aimbot bow aspect?
leaden whale
The one with auto aim special
dreamy locust
@hot yoke
hot yoke
I'd try to get another gods attack
But athena dash is more important
candid nimbus
Chiron is nice with Dio
hot yoke
What are the best boons for the aimbot bow aspect?
@leaden whale you can go for a dem special build, Dionysus with the duos(aphrodite and ares) or artemis special with heart rend
dreamy locust
ok
leaden whale
Dem what?
hot yoke
Dem on Special with a chill build
candid nimbus
Might not have 'em yet
leaden whale
What is dem
vernal perch
Anyone know a good build for ||Guan Yu spear||? I've had 0 success with it as of yet
leaden whale
Ijust beat heat 2
vernal perch
Anything else? Lmao
quiet cypress
try to get charged skewer
hot yoke
Anyone know a good build for ||Guan Yu spear||? I've had 0 success with it as of yet
@vernal perch go for either a charged skewer build with artemis special and heart rend
quiet cypress
and mainain distance
hot yoke
Or serrated point dash strike build with aphrodite attack
vernal perch
Okay sure
quiet cypress
your special is like 5 logs wide
it hits everything in a pretty wide swath with KB effects
tawdry sand
Anyone know a good build for ||Guan Yu spear||? I've had 0 success with it as of yet
@vernal perch Anything on the special is good, it has really good base damage and can cleave well. Also of all the weapons this one benefits the most from adding more blood into it IMO
quiet cypress
pretty safe
hot yoke
Also max gy
tawdry sand
yeah it's so wide as others said
quiet cypress
yeah dont do it at base level the health deficit is rough if you're not a dodge god yet
tawdry sand
also in general the base numbers are really chonky on all its stuff. I had a good time with the hammer that makes your dash strike hit three times
quiet cypress
im not a fan of serrated point because i like my dashes long
tawdry sand
ah sorry I don't know the names of all the things
quiet cypress
but i like it on|| achilles||
hot yoke
Np m8
tawdry sand
Yeah it's definitely one where if you take it you're really praying for hermes to give you more dashes
hot yoke
Serrated is insane with gy's chonky boy damage
tawdry sand
yeahhh
quiet cypress
tru but i dont really do anything but special on GY π€·ββοΈ
scarlet crag
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candid nimbus
I spin from time to time, can bounce it off walls which is oddly satisfying to me
quiet cypress
i dont like spinning but there are better players than me who have cleared ||40+ heat|| with spin builds
so i try not to speak ill of it
hot yoke
Spin to actually not win
sterile solar
Spin2lose
tawdry sand
I saw a fun spin video on youtube but I feel like good spin is an exception rather than a general rule
shut flame
if youre wearing a keepsake for a god and you get a boon from them does continuing to wear it have any effects or should you swap out?
shut flame
infinitely?
hot yoke
Yes
But forcing the gods you want and then going to a coin purse f.e. is way better In most cases
So you should swap imo
shut flame
gotcha
if i have athena with the gloves should i go for merciful end or lightning phalanx?
hot yoke
Me is p nifty as long as you have her dash
Athena attack?
Ares special might be an option
Lightning phalanx is in most cases not something you'd focus on
Afaik
But you can take it for fun
shut flame
i have divine dash explosive upper and phalanx shot from athena
hot yoke
I'd prioritize ME on general power level
shut flame
got it
shut flame
merciful end is ares right?
hot yoke
Yep
shut flame
ty!
hot yoke
You need either artemis attack or special and ares attack or special
shut flame
thanks!
dreamy locust
so guys if I go for a full poseidon build what weapon is best with poseidon?
quiet cypress
i like poseidon
hot yoke
None
Lol jk
Poseidon builds are fun
I like it with chaos shield
But you need to max that
quiet cypress
i meant run full poseidon on ||poseidon sword||
is that a spoiler
i'll tag it
it's also pretty dece on ||guan yu spear||
but there are better builds for that
dreamy locust
@hot yoke what is chaos shield?
hot yoke
You'll find out ;D
Unlock all weapons
Oh on poseidon sword
@quiet cypress Athena cast, parting shot duo(aphro), exit wounds artemis,
tawdry sand
I feel like only hidden aspects need to be spoiled? the other ones are visible on the menu aren't they
hot yoke
Also obvs cast damage and extension from chaos, artemis legendary, and hermes boons
Maybe special to quicken the approach
quiet cypress
yeah i know what i usually like on it but im saying its viable to run full poseidon on that weapon
hot yoke
Only the hidden afaik
quiet cypress
just being careful
better to spoiler tag it and not need it than the other way around
quiet cypress
so guys if I go for a full poseidon build what weapon is best with poseidon?
@dreamy locust this was the question i was responding to
hot yoke
But full poseidon? Nah
quiet cypress
not trying to pick a fight just wanted to clarify
hot yoke
No worries m8
quiet cypress
i think it could work with some of poseidons t2 boons
wave pounding helps dps vs bosses
does good aoe
hot yoke
I could imagine better stuff than full poseidon on poseidon sword imo
Usually you want to go full cast and only use special and cast
quiet cypress
oh definitely
i could definitely imagine better things but if you want to go full poseidon it could work
hot yoke
Well technically almost everything can work xD
shut flame
i have all but 3 keepsakes left. who should i be dumping my spare gifts into?
hot yoke
The ones you haven't yet
harsh leaf
Nectar? Whoever
shut flame
hm
dense laurel
you can always check it in ur codex
hot yoke
Nice
dreamy locust
why is everyone so careful with spoilers and stuff?
it's not like anyone really plays this game for the story
dense laurel
lol wat
dreamy locust
?
pulsar frigate
hot yoke
This is the new player channel
dense laurel
_looks at #h1-story-discussion _
dreamy locust
oh ok
hot yoke
Firstly it's explicitly stated in the rules
Secondly it's our of respect for others that don't want the game to be spoiled for them
Some want to find out in their own ;D
dreamy locust
ah ok
I see
it's just that i've never seen any other game community discord so heavy on spoilers
hot yoke
Well hades 1.0 isn't out very long
dense laurel
i mean most servers outright warns ppl about it
sterile solar
it's not like anyone really plays this game for the story
top quality meme joke
pulsar frigate
a real headscratcher
hot yoke
sly vigil
Since no one really explained why we care about spoilers in Hades, I will attempt to state what I think.
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It's true that story is usually not as important as gameplay in Roguelite. I play RoR2 a decent amount and I can't even tell you what the setting is, let alone the story. And tbh, I don't care. But Hades storyline is woven with the gameplay, it's hard to play Hades and be completely oblivious to the story line.
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A lot of people in this server, from my perspective, joined because they are fans of SGG, not just Hades. This means the world build, story line, atmosphere are equally important, if not more than gameplay. If you won't spoil what happens to Red in the end of Transistor, don't spoil Zag's story here.
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Lastly, rules are rules. And the ones we have are quite reasonable, maybe except for Proxy Bot's iron hand with profanity and the many false positive flags.Β―_(γ)_/Β―
hot yoke
Huh though I did
sly vigil
well, overexplain, I guess
hot yoke
At least there's a thorough explanation now
sly vigil
well what can Bouldy do about it? tell the mods?
hot yoke
sly vigil
oh right
hot yoke
DONT YOU DARE INSULT BOULDY
sterile solar
can a mod kick foxhope pls
hot yoke
Crush you
sterile solar
wow
sterile solar
no respect
hot yoke
Never disrespect my only reason to wander this earth
sterile solar
hot yoke
sly vigil
Nope
sour kite
thanks
coral grail
everyone seems to show respect to the games story and not spoil anything
So i do the same
Its nice that the playerbase cares enough
supple linden
man i come back to this chat and there's drama. whats going on
ivory ocean
nothing, it ended
supple linden
cool
sterile solar
Welcome to the house of Hades, and thanks for dying!
brisk glen
Any advice?
sterile solar
dont give up
brisk glen
I already own the first death defiance
sword, spear, shield, and bow
i have the second dash
wise ivy
take whichever weapon has dark thirst
brisk glen
my highest run so far was up to Theseus and The Bull of Minos
wise ivy
right now you want to keep getting darkness and putting it into the mirror
take those runs and learn the enemies' patterns
sterile solar
but dont get burnt out farming, enjoy the game
wise ivy
every enemy has patterns and knowing them is the difference between victory and death
brisk glen
yah
wise ivy
the story is awesome, talk to everyone in between runs, they have cool stuff to say
brisk glen
i forgot to mention
I've already watched up to episode 16 of Wanderbots playthrough of 1.0
wise ivy
make sure to give everyone at least one nectar (except hades), since you get a keepsake in exchange for your first nectar gift
brisk glen
I already know most of the story to that point
queen silo
Oh dang we got REACTS up in here!?
sterile solar
brisk glen
and I gave a nectar to achilles
wintry mulch
any recommendations on how to farm darkness?
||resource director|| seems to need so much of it
harsh leaf
any recommendations on how to farm darkness?
@wintry mulch Beat the game repeatedly
wise ivy
always pick the weapon with dark thirst
wintry mulch
alright. thanks!
sterile solar
sisyphus, poseidon and chaos are your farming buddies
wise ivy
there are some ||heat in the pact|| that can make runs faster
harsh leaf
||resource director|| seems to need so much of it
@wintry mulch You need approximately two hundred thousand for that
wintry mulch
i wonder if they would consider reducing the requirements
wise ivy
it's the endgame darkness sink
wintry mulch
holy crap
wise ivy
they're not gonna reduce it
sterile solar
^
harsh leaf
Dont worry about it
sterile solar
isnt something you should have right away, is so you always have something to work towards
i really hope they dont reduce it
wise ivy
spoilers for post-initial clear
||the following pact options are worth considering: tight deadline 1 to remove survival rooms, extreme measures 2 for the faster hydra fight, forced overtime to make enemies spawn faster||
i think that covers it?
wintry mulch
sweet. thank you! i'll check that out
wise ivy
keep in mind that if you ||get enough heat to have a bounty|| you won't be getting darkness from bosses
so that's a tradeoff if you haven't ground ||pact bounties|| yet
sterile solar
while this is good for speedrunning, just know it makes the game slightly harder, especially forced overtime
same for ||em1 and em2|| not a huge difference, but is still harder
wise ivy
||tight deadline 1|| should be no issue, though
nearly all runs with all aspects will have plenty of time
sterile solar
Yeah thats why I didn't mention that one
noble meadow
does increasing attack damage increase dash attack damage?
harsh leaf
Yes, except in some very specific cases like World Splitter etc
lyric forge
Rule of thumb is that if a boon says "attack" it will work on both attack and dash attack, whereas a hammer that says "attack" will only work on the attack.
dreamy locust
so guys I only have 4 titans blood and I don't know what to spend it on?
I have zeus aspect shield
but that's the only upgrade I have
should I upgrade that
or upgrade another weapon?
my 2 other favorites are the sword and the bow
candid nimbus
Zeus aspect is cool, Hera aspect for bow works just fine at unlock
but you can test aspects with this trick
Go to courtyard, spend the blood, DO NOT GO INTO BEDROOM. Go on a run to test, then either altf4 before death or Give up to revert save back to courtyard save. No blood spent/committed. That run never existed so you can try things out before saving/committing
atomic pond
what are some good builds for shield 4th hidden aspect?
so far it just feels like a much worse version of hera bow from how slow it is so im not sure what builds are better for it
brisk glen
how good are base attack damage builds for the sword?
I cant spend titan blood yet
so no aspects
but i had poseidon dash, and like 85% extra dmg + weaken on my base attack
I also had the 300% armor damage
but i flopped once I got to elysium
frosty basin
So far I have ran Artemis cast and Poseidon cast on it, I practically had no proper build (no duos/legendaries/no notable passives) but both runs hugely benefitted from Snow Burst or whichever Demeter boon that gives you a chill aoe on cast
Basically run into the enemy, spam cast, then smash
Ah wait I had Fully Loaded on one of my runs
And Lighting Rod
You can basically ignore the special on it imo since that won't be where your damage is
...nvm that was my ||Hera|| build
atomic pond
im really disliking the shield now after unlocking aspects on other weapons
I started with a good cast build for the 4th aspect shield but in the end my Poseidon DASH had way higher DPS than the shield cause of duo boons with zeus
But even though the shield cast also had the same benefits, the shield was just so slow that it did lower damage than the dash lol
frosty basin
||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/768385751699554304/2020-10-21_15_07_49-Greenshot.png|| for reference this was my win with shield 4
Well it happens, even Thunder Dash alone + Zeus boons can be a huge chunk of damage
Wait it's Tidal Dash for your case
atomic pond
oh nice yeah i had lightning on my special too
But idk it just feels so slow
I can still get clears but the times are at 18-20 min+ while other weapons I get 16 minutes consistently
dense laurel
yes hidden shield is slow imo
frosty basin
Faster than I am usually then 
I ignore the special since it's super slow + the aoe charge is too good anyway
Any boons on it is just there so the game doesn't give me primary skill boons later on
atomic pond
yeah, also i feel like it has 0 advantages over Hera bow right? Like it's literally just a much slower hera bow
Are there any actual benefits? Cause even the DPS seems higher on Hera cause you can keep shooting super fast
frosty basin
I'm the fastest with shield 4 if you can believe it
atomic pond
oh dang thats pretty interesting
frosty basin
Oh I'm sure if you go by pure DPS or so bow will win over shield regardless of aspects
Thing is can the bow block damage?
atomic pond
yeah thats true, but I almost never use the shield to block LOL my playstyle is just rushdown and dodge for defense
frosty basin
Understandable
atomic pond
once i got the hammer that lets you shoot to replace the bull rush, and it was literally the same as hera bow lool
frosty basin
Idk how that hammer interacts with it but good to know
atomic pond
yeah, it basically just lets you shoot an arrow type thing so it was identical to the bow
It almost felt better since i didn't have to move with the shield and I can stand in place
dense laurel
hidden shield is ur fastest run, wat?
frosty basin
I'm slow okay hovering around 21 minutes
Most of the time I spent running around the maps looking for gold urns
dense laurel
have u tried hidden sword then
frosty basin
Yes