h1-for-new-players

[hot yoke]

He never did for me

[warm hamlet]

i had a run where i had 5 >>

[hot yoke]

Even though I take every chaos gate I can

Why doesn't he approve me

[warm hamlet]

3 from mirror 2 from chaos

[hot yoke]

No need to rub it in my face

[warm hamlet]

i miss athena no longer giving you DD's

[sterile solar]

Cause youre wrong

Athena gives you dds

[warm hamlet]

athena replenishes them

[hot yoke]

Back

[sterile solar]

Ah

[warm hamlet]

but she no longer add's

[hot yoke]

Sry
BACC

[sterile solar]

Thatd be broken lol

[warm hamlet]

i mean they changed it @sterile solar so it was broken

[sterile solar]

Yes

[warm hamlet]

where'd you put dio on a scale from S to F tier?

[sterile solar]

My room

[warm hamlet]

for me he's A tier

deffinetly good

but not the best

same goes for like zeus

[hot yoke]

Hangover build is nice with ares and aphro duos

[sterile solar]

I want a dionysus body pillow

[hot yoke]

I want a lifesize Bouldy replica

[warm hamlet]

i want a dus body pillow

Dusa. or meg

either one of those

[hot yoke]

Hey that's rude

[warm hamlet]

@hot yoke what about a Bo(ul)dy pillow

[hot yoke]

You already have a dusa body pillow

[sterile solar]

[hot yoke]

Haha get it

[warm hamlet]

i deffinetly like my time here now more

then i did in EA

[sterile solar]

Electronic arts

[warm hamlet]

Early Acces come on man

[sterile solar]

[warm hamlet]

why would i ever say Electronic arts

[weary coyote]

I need help with the first fury

in the stage where she just throws her whips at you

[sterile solar]

Uh?

[hot yoke]

Press dodge

[sterile solar]

You mean the big aoe around her?

[weary coyote]

Yes

[warm hamlet]

@weary coyote keep your distance

[hot yoke]

Approach her
Dash back immediately

[sterile solar]

Just get away

[hot yoke]

That triggers it

[weary coyote]

okay

[warm hamlet]

like allways keep your distance she has some good tells

[hollow basin]

She’s got a big tell, when she makes an upwards movement

[warm hamlet]

^

[hot yoke]

Dodge has I frames
You're immune during dodge

[hollow basin]

That’s when she does the AOE and you can just press dodge

[warm hamlet]

just bait her into doing her dash attacks

[hot yoke]

You can also just bait the aoe out if her

[sterile solar]

Pretty much her 4 attacks have long wind ups

[hollow basin]

Yeah they all have big tells; she leans into the direction if she dashes too

[warm hamlet]

yup

[hollow basin]

So sideways movement = dash
Upwards movement = AOE
and uhh bullet hell is easy enough to see 😆

[warm hamlet]

bullet hell can be deflected

with deflect attacks

it does ALLOT of damage

[hot yoke]

"bullet hell" has insane gaps between

[sterile solar]

If you dont have deflect, you can simply dodge them, or get up close and attack her, it will destroy the projectiles

Free dmg

[hot yoke]

You can just stand in the gaps and walk
In a pinch dodge

FINALLY GOT CHAOS LEGENDARY FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 70 RUNS

[hollow basin]

*wait there’s a legendary 😮 *

[hot yoke]

AAAAAAAH FINALLY MASTER HAS ACCEPTED ME

give you 1dd

[hollow basin]

Wow I didn’t know o.O

That’s pretty nifty o:

[hot yoke]

Have fun hunting for that

I take every chaos gate I can
Only showed up now

[warm hamlet]

@hollow basin he can give death defiances thats chaos his legendary

you can ge tit more then once

[hot yoke]

It's just to @sterile solar random

[sterile solar]

Drunk time

[hot yoke]

Just got epic exit wounds with parting shot

This poseidon run finna be perfect

[sour kite]

noice

[hot yoke]

Just sticking 4 casts that can crit and removing them takes like 1/3 of hydra health

[shut flame]

is there a way to know which boons you have enabled on your run other than looking at the little pics on the left side of the screen? theyre pretty meaningless to me

[supple linden]

hit b

[hot yoke]

You're gonna unlock a room where you can check on your past runs

Oh

During run

Hit b on pc or - on switch

[shut flame]

wow ty!

[hot yoke]

Np

[supple linden]

b also works when choosing a boon

incase you want to know what you are about to trade away

[hot yoke]

Also does opening the codex

And you can press b/- in the codex to check the gods boons and their prereqs

[supple linden]

actually that's something you have to unlock

[shut flame]

yeah i unlocked that one already thanks

[supple linden]

uh. yeah i've seen that spoiler tagged

[hot yoke]

Ses

Yes

[supple linden]

ngl kinda weird you asked if something was a spoiler without spoiler tagging it

[hot yoke]

Everything post styx is in new player channel

Yup

|| on both sides please

[idle bolt]

What does post styx mean

[supple linden]

temple of styx is the fourth area. anything past leaving the 4th area is a spoiler

[idle bolt]

it's not technically leaving the 4th area

[supple linden]

it is though

[hot yoke]

It is post styx

It's the final boss

He's in ||greece||

[supple linden]

also anything unlocked after leaving the 4th area is also a spoiler

[hot yoke]

You are leaving the 4th area as minuet said

[supple linden]

The boss of the 4th area isn't ||hades|| it's ||Cerberus||

[idle bolt]

||am I supposed to touch the green stuff during his second phase||

[hot yoke]

No

[supple linden]

||no||

[hot yoke]

Hell no

[idle bolt]

Green to me seems like good

anyways. OK

[hot yoke]

It's not like furi

There's no good stuff to touch

Unless it's Bouldy

[abstract sundial]

What does the green border around the screen I sometimes get during the final boss fight mean?

[sour kite]

Green is good, says Red

[leaden whale]

what green border? the screen crack thing?

[sour kite]

Do you mean ||Boiling Blood||

[leaden whale]

that means ||you just got hit by the floating skull, it'll stay for a while then detach. During that time Hades will deal double donk||

[sterile solar]

Double donk

[raven helm]

whats the best weapon? i remember it used to be the shield but im having issues with megaera

[sour kite]

I'm sorry to be a pain, but what do you mean by best weapon?

The most noob friendly? The best for a first clear?

||The best at high heat?||

[hot yoke]

There is no best weapon
Only some are easier to make work

[sour kite]

The most fun?

If you're looking for a solid weapon to beat the game for the first time

the ranged weapons are generally easier

[fallen oxide]

honestly, the gauntlets w/ talos aspect are insane

[sour kite]

because you expose yourself less

[sterile solar]

People think think this is overwatch, and come here thinking there's a best weapon

[sour kite]

otherwise it's basically certain that every weapon is viable

[idle bolt]

what does heat 0 mean.

[hot yoke]

@raven helm specify pls

[sterile solar]

Honestly. Every aspect is viable up to ||heat 24||

[hot yoke]

That's a spoiler

Tag

Guys T A G

[supple linden]

||heat|| is a spoiler so guys

[idle bolt]

How do you even talk about this game

[hot yoke]

@red you too

[raven helm]

no idea what that is so yeah normal first run

[sterile solar]

You go to #h1-builds-and-combat

[raven helm]

also can i upgrade them?

[hot yoke]

Through tags

You can still read them

[idle bolt]

I go to builds and combat to talk about spoilers? not "story-and-spoilers"?

[hot yoke]

This is new player channel

[supple linden]

if you don't know what someone is talking about in this channel then its safe to assume you dont need to worry about it yet

[hot yoke]

It's supposed to be friendly and not spoil

Yes you can upgrade your weapons

[supple linden]

story and spoilers is a free for all

[hot yoke]

Unlock all weapons first

[raven helm]

which should i use for a first clear

[supple linden]

first clear i got was with the railgun

[hot yoke]

The one you're most comfortable with

[sour kite]

gun or bow are solid imo

[raven helm]

best run ive had was with the bow, upgraded with the fast firing thing

[hot yoke]

There is no should

[raven helm]

theres a gun?

[hot yoke]

Only a want

Yup

[supple linden]

railgun is the sixth weapon

[hot yoke]

He hasn't unlocked all yet

[raven helm]

im omw to unlock a spear

[sterile solar]

@hot yoke wHaTs the bEsT wEaPoN?

[hot yoke]

[sterile solar]

[hot yoke]

Spend keys> im omw to unlock a spear
@raven helm

[raven helm]

what

[hot yoke]

Unlocking new weapons costs keys

[raven helm]

yes

[hot yoke]

You can unlock them in the courthall

[raven helm]

i had just traded gems for a key so i could buy the spear

[hot yoke]

Oh ok

[raven helm]

when do i unlock the other 2 anyways

[sterile solar]

Play the game

[hot yoke]

You get them after buying the first three weapons

So just play the game yeah

[wary finch]

Weapons unlock as you unlock weapons.

[raven helm]

i have all 4 available

[wary finch]

Then get out

[hot yoke]

There's 6

[supple linden]

a weapon will appear once all weapons you have avaible are unlocked and you've done a run

[raven helm]

ah alright

[supple linden]

essentially. to unlock 5 and 6 you have to refresh the house one way or another

[raven helm]

gonna try out the spear

it looks solid

[sour kite]

as a rule of thumb the content comes thick and fast

never really have much opportunity to ask "are we there yet"

lel

[supple linden]

as another rule of thumb. if you meet the requirements for something you have to do a run before that something apperas

[hot yoke]

Also you can't "miss" anything through timing as in other games

[sour kite]

very cool for completionists

[wary finch]

Another rule of thumb: death is inevitable

[supple linden]

the only thing you can miss is an attack 😎

[raven helm]

i dont have that many thumbs

[sour kite]

your feet have foot thumbs, we'll use those too

[raven helm]

works for me

[weary coyote]

Where do you respawn after you get out of Tartarus?

[leaden whale]

wdym?

[supple linden]

you respawn at the house of hades

there are no checkpoints

[leaden whale]

ah, that way, yes back at the kiddie pool

[raven helm]

any strategy for megaera?

using a spear btw

[supple linden]

keep an eye on her if you are up close, if she starts to fly get out of there. otherwise just keep the heat on her, and circle her while she's doing her cast

[sterile solar]

Lmao I remember that one guy, "this game sucks, I killed the first boss, made it to the second zone, died and still had to start from the beginning with nothing"

[hot yoke]

Weird for me that someone doesn't understand roguelikes
Guess I've just grown too accustomed to my fav genre

[raven helm]

oh so now i can change my mirror bonuses

[sterile solar]

"Its one of those games where you die and lose everything 1/10" yes thats a roguelike

[supple linden]

if you have it unlocked, there should be a little button

seeing people leave a negative review on a hard game because it was too hard for them is pretty funny

[sterile solar]

That is fine tho, but complaining about losing everything in a roguelike game

Is just dumb

[raven helm]

any essential bonuses on the mirror?

[sour kite]

i mean

[sterile solar]

All are good really

Is just up to you

[sour kite]

you get stronger every run in this game

so that doesn't even apply right

lel

[sterile solar]

I hate the darkness healing, some people love it

[raven helm]

gonna save for defiance then

[leaden whale]

darth defiance, second dash, rest are up to you imo

[sterile solar]

Is really up to you

[sour kite]

I'm used to sts where

it's just death

floor 1

lessgo

[sterile solar]

I hate greater reflex

[sour kite]

when you say you hate it, do you mean you dislike the mechanic?

or you think it's wewak

weak

[leaden whale]

I meant the purple dash

[sterile solar]

I think is weak

[sour kite]

really

[sterile solar]

I think ruthless is far better

[sour kite]

hmmm

that's super interesting

[raven helm]

dark regen seems good to me

[sterile solar]

Damage and dodge chance op

[hot yoke]

More dashes are usually better cause more I frames

[sour kite]

||when i hear people playing high heat ||they usually complain about the loss of greater reflex

not ruthless

whoops

sec

[hot yoke]

The other is only viable on Gilgamesh

[sterile solar]

Again thats why is preferencd

I love the 3 healing per room

[hot yoke]

Let's see
More dashes=more I frames
50% chance dodge= the chance to dodge damage

I prefer dark regeneration

[sterile solar]

But 50% dmg

[hot yoke]

I'd take the guaranteed I frames thanks

[sour kite]

I think the healing options have different uses for different situations

also bear in mind that some builds revolve around dash strike

[raven helm]

also keepsakes that i should try to get first?

[hot yoke]

Who cares about +50% damage if I'm not alive to use it

[sour kite]

so having more dash charges can add more dps that way

[hot yoke]

All keepsakes

[sour kite]

Talk to your dog @raven helm

[raven helm]

when i have nectar

[hot yoke]

Bruh I hate collaf

Collar

[weary coyote]

Doom is really useful

[sour kite]

it's a decent crutch for beginners

[idle bolt]

I can't even get to the 4th area without death defiance and collar

[leaden whale]

for early game I'd say skelly's tooth, since you probs don't have much death defiance

[sour kite]

before darkness helps you out

[hot yoke]

Crutch? Do an ME build

Lol

[sterile solar]

Some guy yesterday posted a pic with like 500 hp, he loves collar, so there's a keepsake for everyone

[raven helm]

how many can i have equipped at once

[sterile solar]

1

[leaden whale]

you can switch after each area, tho it's a contractor work order

[sterile solar]

What I've been doing lately is I start with purse, then switch to ||pom blossom|| for the rest of the game

[sour kite]

some keepsakes also have only 1 charge, so you need to swap those after each act to be efficient

[raven helm]

when is chaos worth going to

[hot yoke]

Always

[sour kite]

almost always

[hot yoke]

Game changing boons

[supple linden]

if i wont die to it i grab it

[hot yoke]

If you would've died the run wasn't strong enough

[sour kite]

chaos gives you a curse that transforms into an overpowered boon

since strength progression is basically value per room

you can figure that out

[hot yoke]

I would only not take chaos before a boss
You can't get killed through chaos

If you don't have enough hp it won't let you emtwr

[sterile solar]

I always take chaos, unless I'm offered a duo room, or need the fallen warrior

I'll face the consequences

[sour kite]

I mean, I've skipped Chaos maybe 2 times in the last 100 runs

[sterile solar]

Those are my requirements

For not taking chaos

[hot yoke]

I mean, I've skipped Chaos maybe 2 times in the last 100 runs
@sour kite same

[sterile solar]

You were simping the legendary

It doesnt count

[hot yoke]

Never duo before chaos
You can't get duos In trial rooms

[sterile solar]

By duo, I meant trial room

[hot yoke]

Yes

That's what I meant

You can't get duos In the trial room

[sterile solar]

I know

[sour kite]

xD

you guys agree

very amusing

[hot yoke]

Bruh why trial over chaos then

We always do

[sterile solar]

Cuase 2 boons

I like boons

[sour kite]

I've taken a trial over chaos once

but mostly because I felt low on boons

[hot yoke]

Chaos is worth 3 boons at least

[sterile solar]

But it only gives me one

So

Vo1di

Fight me

[sour kite]

and if I'm weak right now

and I feel like I need direct power right now

[hot yoke]

I will

[sour kite]

I think it's correct to take trial room

[hot yoke]

Chaos is always worth more

[sterile solar]

I run approval process, so there is chance I get the gem/darkness boon from chaos, making me lose hp, and get cursed for nothing

[hot yoke]

Unless you have a god you still need a specific boon for your build from

[sterile solar]

Thats why I prioritize trials

[sour kite]

AP definitely incentivises picking up excess boons

so you don't ruin your build by accident

[hot yoke]

Or if that appearance is your keepsake trigger

[sterile solar]

With the amount of knuckleheads I get the next time I get the rare one, ill post it in #h1-victory-boasting

[raven helm]

second time in hell and im already with the boss

any strat for him?

[sour kite]

||only to be semi sarcastic||

||i suggest dodging, his moveset is very telegraphed||

[quaint nebula]

I died to ||Theseus|| again 😄

Rip my winstreaks

[raven helm]

wow he was easy

kinda got stuck in lava once but

[rough ginkgo]

by "second time in hell," you mean in asphodel?
to be clear, the whole place is hell

[raven helm]

well yeah

[sterile solar]

[raven helm]

hell^2

[sterile solar]

just add L's

Helll

[raven helm]

does zagreus piss in the blood pool

[sterile solar]

does zagreus piss?*

i didnt see any restrooms in the house

[raven helm]

maybe the blood pool is the bathroom

[harsh leaf]

Styx is right there

[sterile solar]

styx is 90% pee

[brittle valley]

does he even need to? he doesn't drink anything, ever

[sterile solar]

the fountains

[raven helm]

also whats titan blood for anyways

[sterile solar]

also whats titan blood for anyways
weapons, achilles will tell you a line about it

[brittle valley]

hmm

[sour kite]

Vampirism

[raven helm]

ah right

also, what happens if i give nectar to the same guy again

[sterile solar]

nothing

you start bonding with them

dating sim as a sort

[potent merlin]

And thankfully you don’t have to be ||monogamous||

[quaint nebula]

Hey. How do you guys use Fated Authority? I'm not sure what to reroll.

[sterile solar]

depends on your playstyle, i rerolls poms, obols and hearts for boons

[potent merlin]

Kind of depends where you are in the run as well

[sterile solar]

yes

[abstract sundial]

Can you not empower the hermes keepsake in the last areas mini-encounters?

[brittle valley]

i think you can but only in the very last room of the tunnel

[sterile solar]

yeah tunnels dont count

[potent merlin]

Wouldn’t that be nice

[sterile solar]

itd be broken lol

[potent merlin]

Oh yeah

[abstract sundial]

you could propably get 100% dodge chance with those

[potent merlin]

It may be possible currently to get pretty close

[abstract sundial]

does dodge work on any damage?

[potent merlin]

I think it just says when you take damage so I guess all damage

[leaden whale]

So uh

[sterile solar]

you cant get 100% dodge

[leaden whale]

How many attempts does it usually take to escape?

I've done 26 so far

[formal rover]

you can get over 100% dodge chance, that’s been true for a while

[potent merlin]

I escaped on my 44th attempt.

[formal rover]

trouble is, you still get hit

so there’s either a cap or it stacks multiplicatively

or both idk

[sterile solar]

you can get over 100% dodge chance, that’s been true for a while
how

[formal rover]

plume+zag fists+hermes boons, basically

[sterile solar]

they dont stack like that

[formal rover]

but like i said, it doesn’t actually end up being 100% as you still get hit

[sterile solar]

is a percent of the percent

[formal rover]

yeah that’s what i’m saying

[sterile solar]

exactly

so you cant get 100%

[harsh leaf]

dodge and damage reduction stacks multiplicatively

[sterile solar]

since they dont just add

[formal rover]

yeah

sorry i phrased that badly

[brittle valley]

How many attempts does it usually take to escape?
@leaden whale there's no 'usually', everyone goes at their own pace

[sterile solar]

take your time

[potent merlin]

You’ll get there when you get there. Sometimes you just have bad runs. Remember RNG

[upbeat jetty]

I've heard of people doing it in fifteen tries, I took twenty, a friend had to try nearly thirty times

So... a lot, with a very wide variance

[brittle valley]

sometimes you get such a wild strong luck that you escape before you've seen the flashback...

[upbeat jetty]

I had a run with the gun where I managed to pick up Heroic Poseidon special, Hazard Bomb, and a Chaos damage boost to special in the same run

the only time I've actually beat Hades so far, and that's because I dashed around every boss arena like a chicken with it's head cut off tossing artillery rounds behind me

[brittle valley]

it took me like... over 40 and godmode

[potent merlin]

Please tag spoilers

[sour kite]

I had a friend who did it on his 3rd try

everyone hated him

xD

[hot yoke]

I'm starting to hate you cause you don't stop to mention that

Jk

[sour kite]

[hot yoke]

[sterile solar]

[hot yoke]

Cracks me up

[leaden whale]

What's the best weapon for people who are just constantly pushing dash and attack?

[sterile solar]

fist

[sour kite]

not bow

[formal rover]

bow is great for dash attacking?

also nem sword

[sterile solar]

bow is great for dash attacking?
thats pretty much the whole combo

unless youre going special

[formal rover]

yup

if you can expand it to dash+attack+reload, also hestia

[sour kite]

honestly dash-strike should just be a baseline skill

that you consider part of being good at hades

since it combines attack and defence, and the dash strike animation is fractionally quicker than standard strike

[formal rover]

true

not dash attacking is alsoa baseline hades skill tho lol

[sour kite]

i mean

you learn when to use what moves

if you're never dash striking

you're doing it wrong

if you're always dash striking

[formal rover]

sometimes yo gotta keep those i-frames

[sour kite]

also wrong

[formal rover]

^

exactly

[sour kite]

being calculated with your dashes is the mark of an experienced player

on the other hand, it was pretty funny going all in from 0s against bosses

cuz my EHP is through the roof with all sorts of effective DR

[gray haven]

if you're always dash striking
Nah. As you improve, you end up back at a point where that's all you're doing lol.

[sour kite]

i can also imagine that

[gray haven]

Well, mostly. You're still ready to empty dash to avoid something when you need to. But mostly I just stunlock or kill things before they get a chance to attack.

[sour kite]

I'm still at a point where I am making bursts of attacks and finding a corner to catch my breath

rinse and repeat

[wide ivy]

|| to get guan yu and activate the ach dialogue do i need to reach hades on every try before talking to ach? ||

[sour kite]

that is laden with spoilers btw

[faint umbra]

@wide ivy please spoiler tag your message!

[wide ivy]

well, any answers? before i go in again?

||do i need to get to hades every time to attempt triggering it?||

[sour kite]

all unlock conditions are one offs i believe

[wide ivy]

?

[sour kite]

so no, you don't need to be on a winstreak to unlock

[sterile solar]

Once you reach with spear i believe is enough

After that is rng

[shut flame]

how many hours should you expect to sink into this game before you beat it?

[harsh leaf]

Define "beat it"

[red burrow]

How do you talk to Bouldy?

[shut flame]

well im 21hrs in and the farthest ive gotten is ||to the temple of styx and i died in the last dungeon loop... dont really know how much is left after this...||

[sterile solar]

Yeah what do you define as "beating"

[harsh leaf]

well im 21hrs in and the farthest ive gotten is ||to the temple of styx and i died in the last dungeon loop... dont really know how much is left after this...||
@shut flame After the temple of styx ||there is only the final boss left||

[sterile solar]

That is correct, is that your definition of beating it?

[harsh leaf]

But that still doesnt count as beating the game, imo

[sterile solar]

^

[unreal sphinx]

It's a rougelike though. So beating final boss might not be definition of beating the game.

[red burrow]

Yeah

[sterile solar]

Technically you cna never beat it

[sour kite]

Beating it

[sterile solar]

You can just go again

[red burrow]

Rougelikes are about doing runs and having fun

[sour kite]

means subsuming your body and mind into the game

[shut flame]

sure i just wanna stop feeling like a schmuck having never successfully reached the end with so many hours burned.

[sour kite]

[red burrow]

And with HADES, it is worth selling your soul to this game

[shut flame]

so just curious if i suck or if this is typical # of hours

[sour kite]

does it matter?

this game is SP experience

and your own experience is all that matters

[red burrow]

Also, there is an Easy Mode, just in case you don't want a challenge and want to take it easy

[shut flame]

this is like the first game ive played in years so just trying to gauge is all

[harsh leaf]

If you're having issues, remember that you can turn God Mode on and off at any time with no negative repercussions

[sterile solar]

Yeahz dont beat yourself by comparing to others

No need to race anyone

[red burrow]

Whether or not you even want a challenge is up to you

No shame in feeling like you don't have to overcome incredible odds to get proper enjoyment

[quaint nebula]

The first step to getting better is knowing where you're going wrong.

And then wanting to improve.

[leaden whale]

I have two questions 👁️ 👁️

Does a good relationship add to the chance for good boons?

[hot yoke]

No

[leaden whale]

Aw

[hot yoke]

Just for fluff

[leaden whale]

And giving nectar before accepting a boon makes them better?

[red burrow]

Fluff is the best!

[hot yoke]

Nope

Just fluff

[leaden whale]

[hot yoke]

I love the fluff

[red burrow]

Nah, but the characters are the best so it is 100% worth

[leaden whale]

What's fluff

[hot yoke]

There are mirror options for better boom chances

Character building and lore stuff

[leaden whale]

Oh okay

[sterile solar]

Imagine if I could use my 300 nectar to make a boon better before picking it up

[red burrow]

300 Nectar?

Is that an exaggeration?

[leaden whale]

Excusemewhat

[ripe holly]

How do you unlock ||aspects||? I've seen people talk about it so much yet there aren't any tutorials that tell you what to do straight forward.

[leaden whale]

300?

@ripe holly unlock all weapons, skelly eventually tells you that's how you unlock it

[hot yoke]

Aspects is not a spoiler

[ripe holly]

I already have all of them.

[hot yoke]

Secret aspect names is spoiler

Achilles has to talk to you

[ripe holly]

Didn't know, just did it for safety.

So he has to talk to me? I'd assume you meant that I have to go to him and talk to him.

[hot yoke]

It's random dialogue

[ripe holly]

This game and it's unnecesary RNG usage...

[hot yoke]

Most stuff in the game in the end is triggered by random dialogue after you met conditions

It's a roguelike
Tends to hapoen

[red burrow]

Sorry but...

[ripe holly]

I love the game, but come on. Reduce the amount of RNG, especially for this kind of stuff...

[hot yoke]

The problem is more that a lot of important dialogue is tied to her
And she disappear or says nothing most of the time

[red burrow]

Imagine getting upset a Rougelite has RNG

[hot yoke]

Hades already has an insane amount of rng control in runs

The rng is more in the dialogue lol

[fallen oxide]

it used to be waaaay harder to get the dialogues, i actually like it how it is now

it doesn't feel too rushed but not completely impossible

[hot yoke]

Nyx is still a problem imo

Had and still have to wait for a lot of stuffcause of her

[ripe holly]

I'm not upset that a rougelike has RNG, I'm upset that the story has RNG. Cause now people could unlock stuff so much earlier then someone else can. And it's annoying. Cause you spend so much time grinding, and grinding, and grinding for literally HOURS for 1 dialouge. When they could've just made it that once you get to a certain point, the game's like: hey, now you can this!

[hot yoke]

In the end it doesn't really matter for me ig
Since I will do more then enough runs

I just want ant to level though

[ripe holly]

I've played Borderlands 2, and the only RNG in that game is the rare weapons & shields. You can choose to grind those out, in Hades however you're FORCED to grind for hours until you get that one thing.

That's about my only complaint about this game.

[red burrow]

It's what I like about it, and besides, it never feels grindy to me

Never will

[hot yoke]

Spoiler tag pls

[limber pecan]

sry

[hot yoke]

|| on both sides

No worries dude

Just tag the word ||companion||

[ripe holly]

There's a clear difference between forcing someone and giving someone a choice to grind. I'd rather not grind for several hours just for 1 dialouge. But if I have to do it I'll do it. I have no other choice, I'm just more or less expressing my opinion on that RNG shouldn't impact story and heavy gameplay wise. That's all.

[red burrow]

Riiiiight

[hot yoke]

In the end if you're having fun with the gameplay loop you'll do runs either way

[ripe holly]

That's true.

[hot yoke]

It's annoying to have to wait long but it's gonna happen in the end

[grim citrus]

||Hey guys, if I increase the heat past the point where the bar is full are my rewards better?||

[hot yoke]

Spoiler tag pls

No they won't get better

[grim citrus]

Game is too easy at the moment

[ripe holly]

Also true, but still. My point stands that RNG shouldn't affect story wise that ties in with gameplay.

[hot yoke]

@grim citrus spoiler tag ||heat||

[pulsar frigate]

you don't need to ||go one heat level at a time, you're free to go as high as you wish||

||bounties will only ever be given to you one successful heat level at a time though||

[pastel dust]

is the chaos shield still the best weapon in the game?

[leaden whale]

Is ||heat|| a post-game thing?

[hot yoke]

Not the best

Yes it is a post successful run thing

[grim citrus]

My bad

[hot yoke]

There is no best in hades
Just easier to make work well

[limber pecan]

question about the "well of charon". ||Are there any special circumstances to be able to buy "flame wheels release" ( i figured it has to be while youre in elysium) and "touch styx||

[hot yoke]

No worries

It appears in elysium

That's not spoiler btw

Spoiler is anything post styx

On this channel

[pastel dust]

well, what is the "easiest to work well" then?

[hot yoke]

Depends on your preference

[limber pecan]

ah what about the second item?

[hot yoke]

Overall probably eris

You mean kiss of styx?

That appears when you're missing a dd

[limber pecan]

theres both

[ripe holly]

I've found that Poseidons Riverter? Harvester? The upgrade that makes enemies take dmg when they move seems to be a good upgrade for the shield. At least when I saw a streamer use it.

[limber pecan]

also needed for a prophecy

[hot yoke]

The other is probably relegated to stubborn defiance

[limber pecan]

ahh i get it

ok thanks

[hot yoke]

You mean rupture? It's fun for mobs but less effective on bosses

[ripe holly]

Rupture, thanks

Oh no he melted bosses too

[leaden whale]

Also I was watching a stream of the game before 1.0, is that shotgun upgrade for Exagryph still in the game?

[hot yoke]

Yep

[leaden whale]

Is it still broken?

[hot yoke]

Why wouldn't it be?

It's good

I wouldn't say broken

They balanced almost everything pretty well

[leaden whale]

Hm

[hot yoke]

They maybe overbalanced some things imo

[wise ivy]

that’s what postgame patches are for

[mellow star]

Spread fire used to be oppressively overpowered

I think one of the top runners used it to beat the game in under 5 minutes in game time

Now it’s still very good, but it requires you to use a percentage attack boon such as Artemis, which doesn’t work well with the rail’s normal attack. This makes it kind of a commitment since if you end up not getting spread fire you need to hope Zeus replaces the attack @leaden whale

[outer helm]

Is there a way to see which weapons you have and haven't got titan blood and diamonds with?

[sterile solar]

Have you won yet?

[jolly wagon]

Skelly suggests writing that information down

[sterile solar]

Lmfao I laughed at that

[hot yoke]

You have to win once to see that

[sterile solar]

"Theres always the invention of writing stuff down"

@outer helm have you won?

[gusty atlas]

Alright, after 4 days of futzing, I finally got the game running again. now I just need to find another build to beat redacted with 😦

@outer helm You can get some estimates if you have || bought access to the admin chamber ||

Dionysus: tbh, I was kinda annoyed by the line, since it suggested there was an in-game way of writing it down before you actually get one.

maybe it just bothered me because I am too terrible at this game

[wild cloud]

I mean Skelly’s solution kinda ends up being right ||with the pact||

[white dew]

I beat it with ||Guan Yu|| finally

|| I don't understand that weapon, it's such a heavy downside for a weapon that doesn't seem stronger (or weaker) than the other spears||

[gusty atlas]

@wild cloud sure, but I got that dialogue line something like 50 runsn befdore I got || the pact ||

@white dew Haven't wanted to invest blood in that yet.|| Too much downside, and|| blood is too precious.

[white dew]

Yeah I agree. ||I had enough blood to fully upgrade it and I had to do make it make sense. I don't like it||

[leaden whale]

||Administrative Privilege|| just became available. Does that unlock story or stuff that can help me escape?

[white dew]

No. ||What it unlocks is different stats about your playthrough and some story events||

[gusty atlas]

Spcke: Tdhere's stuff behind it taht's helped me, but you can make forward progress without it

[leaden whale]

Oh okay

[gusty atlas]

There are || both story and useful things|| behind it

It's a choice.

[leaden whale]

Also, what's the base amount of gems I get from ||Vanquisher's Keep||?

[gusty atlas]

I'mma let someone else answer that since I can't page in what that is

[white dew]

@leaden whale ||10, 20, 30, 50||

I got it and I'm glad I did

And if you have a ton, you can trade them into every other resource through the broker

[gusty atlas]

oh, || i don't have that one yet. whoops ||

not enough diamonds

[white dew]

||You'll be swimming in them eventually don't worry||

[gusty atlas]

I'm not convinced 😦

y'all have been saying that for the last 30 runs

[sterile solar]

I'm swimming in currency lmao

Wish I could just give you

[white dew]

I mean now that you have ||the pact|| it should come easier. Once I beat it the first time victories started coming a lot easier

Just keep doing runs at ||slightly higher heat||

[gusty atlas]

I got my first at 75, I'm at 100

I've gotten 1 in between

I'm pretty sure I'm still in the "dumb luck" stage

the only thing actually making any progress is my mirror

because it's teh only thing that doesn't rely on winning

[sterile solar]

Mirror is key to winning

[gusty atlas]

I'm almost out of things on the mirror

[sterile solar]

Did you try the alternate options?

[gusty atlas]

I've maxed out everything but fated authority and fated persuasion

[sterile solar]

How about God mode

[gusty atlas]

it's at 58%

[sterile solar]

Ask for some recommendations in #h1-builds-and-combat

[leaden whale]

Would it be a bad idea to save up coins to buy ||a diamond in the temple of styx||?

[gusty atlas]

from what I've seen, gold has a lot of uses.

[hot yoke]

I wouldn't recommend him there cause of spoilers

Yo liminal how's it going

[gusty atlas]

finalrly got thee game working again

still stuck thouggh

[hot yoke]

Guess you still need a lot of time huh

[sterile solar]

Thanks vo1di

Would it be a bad idea to save up coins to buy ||a diamond in the temple of styx||?
@leaden whale if you need the diamond, is worth it

Since that will help you progress

[hot yoke]

Pro tips as always you know me

[gusty atlas]

kinda becomes a question of how much you give up to save that much gold though

[hot yoke]

What you mean?

I get hella gold lol
Dark foresight and chaos boons

[sterile solar]

Same

[gusty atlas]

well, taking dark forsight means you give up rarity from your mirror, taking gold at chaos means you're giving up other power at chaos, taking gold doors means you may be giving up other power... if you can make it to the temple giving that up, buy it. I've never made it to the temple w/ that much gold.

[hot yoke]

Believe me dark foresight is insane got build consistency

[sterile solar]

I usually make to styx with around 1600

[gusty atlas]

maybe it's just yet another example of me not being good enough shrugs

90% of teh time, I walk into styx w/ less than 100

[sterile solar]

Usually empty the whole store

[hot yoke]

Also gold from chaos is huge since it gets you boons and potentially additional Ressources

[gusty atlas]

and maybe get enougch for 1-2 boons from the floor

[hot yoke]

Money rooms are inanely valuable

[sterile solar]

I dont visit shops mid run tho

[gusty atlas]

ifd I make it to styx at all

[hot yoke]

Lol I buy at like 3-5 shops per stage in average

The legendary/duo boost is more important

[sterile solar]

I dont, but I reroll my obols for boons

[hot yoke]

I've played with the rare or better for 68 runs and since foresight I consistently have my builds done by the time I finish asphodel

[sterile solar]

I get my gold from midas, urns and golden touch

[hot yoke]

Pfft

[sterile solar]

Well thats a bit hard when you run approval process

[gusty atlas]

meh, I'm still at 0

so I don't need to worry about that one

[hot yoke]

I encourage you to try stuff out m8

[gusty atlas]

been trying sntuff out

[hot yoke]

Something is bound to work eventually

[gusty atlas]

just all failing

[hot yoke]

I can barely do more for you than I previously did unless you got specific questions

[sterile solar]

Yeah, experience plays a big part in roguelikes

Just take your time

Keep trying

[hot yoke]

Remember to pet Bouldy

[supple linden]

Bouldy deserves nothing and will get nothing

[hot yoke]

Bouldy deserves more than the world has to offer

I give nectar Everytime

[sterile solar]

Pls gamez let me pet bouldy

[hot yoke]

[supple linden]

the sins bouldy has committed are unspeakable and unforgivable

[hot yoke]

|| ...||

[supple linden]

No matter what number you guess for the level of evil that bouldy is. you would still be too low

[hot yoke]

Look
I don't want to hurt you

But

[sterile solar]

I just want to cuddle it

Idc what it does to me

[hot yoke]

Makes me feel whole

[sterile solar]

[supple linden]

all im sayin

is bouldy is F tier companion. Dusa is S tier companion

[sterile solar]

Lol

Another tierlist

Based on your opinion

[supple linden]

Look you can ask John SuperGiant Games himself. My opinion is fact

[hot yoke]

Bouldy is above tiers

[sterile solar]

You can include bouldy in a tierlist

But you cant compare to anything else

Its powers are beyond our comprehension

Why do you think sisyphus can't get it to the top

If bouldy says no, is no

[supple linden]

sisyphus can't get it to the top because bouldy's sins weigh heavily upon the wayward boulder

[sterile solar]

[languid socket]

what is ambrosia for??

[pulsar frigate]

think of it as late stage nectar

[languid socket]

[oh

so i should hold on to it?

[sterile solar]

Yes

[languid socket]

anyone got tips for beating hades? i was so close last time 😦

[sterile solar]

Dodge

Use the iframes

Learn his attacks

[pulsar frigate]

spoiler tag spoilers is my advice

[languid socket]

iframes?

[sterile solar]

Invulnerability frames

When you dash you have a few frames where youre invulnerable to damage

[languid socket]

o ya

[sterile solar]

Use that to your advantage

[rose compass]

didn't realize what titan blood did

i wish it were more apparent

[muted sand]

I was so close to beating hades but I wasted my cash on the diamond instead of upgrades

Had a crackhead shield secondary build

[sterile solar]

Achilles tells you in a conversation

||your weapons shall drink it||

A lot of the early dialogues are actually gameplay stuff instead of lore, especially from skelly

[rose compass]

i knew this, but then trying to DO it i didn't understand

[languid socket]

what boons do you think best suit the spear

[naive stream]

Hey Hades crew! just wanted to unearth my excitement for this game - have yet to install but can't wait to share my thoughts, ideas with the community! 👍🏼

New btw to the game! 🤠 But not new to the other games supergiant has made

[white dew]

Welcome!

It's a great game, you'll love it

I failed a run with my favorite aspect :(

[sterile solar]

[supple linden]

Isoleaf just remember the golden rule of hades

Press buttons

if you dont press buttons you'll probably die or have to spend a really long time doing onthing

[rancid venture]

How come I cannot upgrade my weapons? I already beat Hades once, and I assumed it would unlock, but nothing is happening

[sterile solar]

Click on the weapon again

[rose compass]

when you select weapon, select again

[sterile solar]

Reveal

[rose compass]

see?

this is what i was talking about

[rancid venture]

https://i.imgur.com/Ca2t320.png

[rose compass]

i feel OP now XD

[rancid venture]

its not there

[sterile solar]

Ah

[wise ivy]

you have to unlock all the weapons

[sterile solar]

^

Wait

He has it

[rancid venture]

they are all unlocked

[wise ivy]

hmm

[sterile solar]

Play some more

[pulsar frigate]

press the button again

[wise ivy]

did you just unlock the last one?

[rancid venture]

https://i.imgur.com/SQ4PRbS.png

[pulsar frigate]

they have the black void around it

[supple linden]

if you just unlocked the last one you gotta do a run

[pulsar frigate]

aspects are unlocked for you

[wise ivy]

if you just unlocked the last weapon you needed, do a run and see what happens

[sterile solar]

Just play

[supple linden]

black void is bonus darkness

[wise ivy]

no, bonus darkness is purple aura

[pulsar frigate]

ah wait, you're right

my apologies

[sterile solar]

Rail is black cause he has it selected

[wise ivy]

yeah

[sterile solar]

And the thirst is purple not black

[supple linden]

aspect unlocked is titan blood orbitals

[rancid venture]

i never used the rail in a run before

is that why?

i have like 20+ runs so far

lol

[wise ivy]

and the titan blood orbitals would replace the weapon

hmm

[supple linden]

it might be

use the rail in a run and see what happens

[charred flower]

Are SGG gonna be putting out DLC with new content for the game?? I'm really bummed that ||Medusa didnt make it into the game and I'm hoping that she will at some point. This is particularly the case after I read recently that it is said that Poseidon raped her and thus she hates him greatly for it (obviously).||

[supple linden]

have you been talking to skelly? he tells you about teh weapons a bit

[sterile solar]

^^

Talk to everyone pls

Isnt just some dialogue

[rancid venture]

i talk to everyone after i die all the time lmao

idk whats up

[queen dawn]

@charred flower Uh Medusa is in the game

[sterile solar]

You mean Dusa??

[charred flower]

Nice spoiler tag

[wise ivy]

yeah ||Dusa is literally Medusa's severed head||

[queen dawn]

Bro

[charred flower]

Oh really

[queen dawn]

She shows up in the HoH after like 5 runs

[charred flower]

Lol what a silly way to include her

That's fine tho

[wise ivy]

you were expecting another boss?

[queen dawn]

All the gorgons are just severed heads

[wise ivy]

we already have ||a giant gorgon head in asphodel|| as a miniboss

[charred flower]

Dusa is one of my absolute favorite characters in the game

All the gorgons are just severed heads
@queen dawn didnt connect those dots

[queen dawn]

I'm still curious as to why Medusa is missing her body but she won't tell

[rancid venture]

where do i even spend titan blood

i dont even have that unlokced

[wise ivy]

titan blood is spent on weapons

you will quickly find yourself spending a lot of it

[rancid venture]

i cant even upgrade weapons wtfffff

[queen dawn]

Dude

[rancid venture]

so weird

[wise ivy]

we were just talking about this?

[queen dawn]

They will unlock soon

I think you can unlock upgrades by doing a run with every weapon

[sterile solar]

Just play some more pls

[wise ivy]

it's do a run with all weapons, yeah

[sterile solar]

Don't freak out

[wise ivy]

also word of advice
do not turn your ambrosia into titan blood

you will need that ambrosia later

[queen dawn]

Why did Dusa even need so much Ambrosia anyway

[charred flower]

But nah I wasnt wanting to see her as a miniboss (tho now that you say that, ||one of the gorgonsin the pair that you fight in the second section of the game does freeze you, which is akin to being turned to stone. Pretty cool!!||).. just a really fierce presence of some sort would have been cool.

[supple linden]

Dusa need the ambrosia because she is an alcoholic

[queen dawn]

like why 10

[supple linden]

alcoholic

[wise ivy]

okay but Dusa can ||give it back later||

so clearly not an alcoholic

[queen dawn]

exactly

[supple linden]

Zag gave her the courage she needed to fight her addiction

[queen dawn]

lmao

[sterile solar]

Ambrosia isn't alcohol

[wise ivy]

personally i'm gonna ||accept it back and put it all into her companion :)||

[queen dawn]

Ambrosiaholic

[supple linden]

to be fair ambrosia probably would be addictive

[charred flower]

I love Dusa she is cute haha <3

[supple linden]

I mean ambrosia is like, the god drink

[queen dawn]

Bro the final Ambrosia for Hypnos actually started to make me cry

[charred flower]

Is SGG gonna do dlc?

[sterile solar]

We dont know

[queen dawn]

probably not

[charred flower]

Have they ever said anything about that

Ah okay

[queen dawn]

But it is possible I guess

[charred flower]

I hope so. I love this game a lot and will always welcome more of it

Such a great game.

[sterile solar]

Same

[supple linden]

i mean so far they havn't released any dlc for any other game but this is a roguelite so who knows

[queen dawn]

Yeah Isaac is still alive because of its DLCs

somehow

[charred flower]

I'm sure that whatever they end up making next could potentially end up being even better so I'm just looking forward to whatever they end up doing at this point.

[supple linden]

supergiant kinda strike me as the sorta like

jack of all trades company

they have two hack and slashes. a sports game kinda. and now a roguelite

[charred flower]

I still have to go back and play all of their older games before this one. Gonna start with Transistor and then Pyre. Bastion will be last

Transistor is a hack and slash, right?

[rancid venture]

i just unlocked it

lol

[night geode]

I'm replaying Bastion on the Switch right now and you can definitely see some gameplay roots there for Hades

[supple linden]

transistor is a hack and slash

[night geode]

Especially the bow

[supple linden]

i think

hold on now i dont konw it might be turn based

[sterile solar]

I love transistor and pyre stories, but man the actual gameplay kills it for me

[night geode]

It's hack and slash with an ability that can freeze time

[charred flower]

I've said this before with other people, but I think that, if they were to make an arpg in the same realm as Chrono Trigger, they very well could end up making one of the best games ever made.

Assuming everything falls just right into place.

It's a very real possinility.

[supple linden]

they should make hades but with roman mythology

[charred flower]

But yeah I'm gonna try and finish these fates in the journal now

So close

[supple linden]

its the same game but the characters just have different names because the romans are copycats

[charred flower]

they should make hades but with roman mythology
@supple linden on one hand it would be fun but on the other I would rather see them focus on wholly new concepts whenever they set out to start working on an entirely new game, opposed to simply retreading old waters

[muted latch]

every single SGG game has been wildly different

[charred flower]

We already have far too many game developers that just rinse, wash, and repeat over and over

Exactly digmouse

[muted latch]

and success with 4 different gameplay concepts back to back to back

these people are insane

[charred flower]

My hope is that they will always continue to do that and push themselves further and further as they have been

[muted latch]

you can argue for a bit that Hades' combat is a bit similar to Bastion

but Hades is also much, much faster

[charred flower]

If they didnt do that we would be on bastion 4 and probably wouldn't have this brilliant game we are fortunate enough to be playing now

I hope Team Cherry starts up on a new IP after Silksong

For the same reasons

But yeah! Back to the game. Remember: "just one more run" (in perpetuity)

[muted latch]

I'm not a big roguelike/lite guy

but I'm 50 hours into Hades already

[supple linden]

can't wait for supergiant's next game Something or other. a 52 hour long RTS

not just any RTS

[grave trail]

how do you kill meg?

i am always stuck on her

she is ok but her aoe spin thing around her (similar to hornets protection thingy with her nail) always kills me

[sterile solar]

she as long wind ups

[grave trail]

ok

[sterile solar]

you have enough time to dodge her stuff

just learn the cues

[grave trail]

ok

thanks

[white dew]

Yeah she's not too hard to dodge with a dash at the right time

just gotta know what the right time is

[sterile solar]

Greater reflex from the mirror makes this even easier

[muted latch]

dash and the whip have very long wind ups

she hunches down and pulls back = dash, raise hand above = whip spin

[merry otter]

The bullet-hell attack isn’t all that hard to evade, of course any Athena boons help but staying near the edges or attacking her with a more ranged weapon can take care of the projectiles easily

Bow, Spear, and Rail are probably the best weapons for her, but you can still beat her with more close-ranged weapons

[grave trail]

i should of thought of bow

but i am not the best with it

wait can i say a gift you get from wine god if you give him nectar?

or is that spoiler

||wine god is my new favorite god and the other is the one that gives you the ability to deflect, he gives you like 30 plus health and a new nectar ||

[merry otter]

Nah I don’t think it’s a spoiler

[grave trail]

ok, i put it as one just in case

[merry otter]

Pretty much every NPC can be gifted nectar for their keepsake

[supple linden]

for spoilers here. anything past the 4th area or anything that requires a victory to unlock is a spoiler

anything else is fair game

[merry otter]

Dionysus is a pretty good god, Hangover is a great curse with faster weapons and festive fog can help a ton for clearing out mobs

[grave trail]

||i also like wine god now because i was doing a thingy from ??? in the chaos and i was 4 hits away from dying||

[merry otter]

Athena’s dash is probably the best boon in the game tbh

[supple linden]

Dionysus has the 2nd best cast and the best special IMO

best cast goes to zeus

posiedon gets best special if im doing a mag fist run

[merry otter]

Ares is my favorite for casts, though it does require Hunting Blades for you to really get insane damage

[supple linden]

ares cast is a bit finicky to use

I prefer ares attack

especially combo'd with the stack boon

ares call is god tier though

[merry otter]

For fists, a Merciful End build with Curse of Agony and Divine Dash does tons of damage

The lesser Ares calls are really useful for taking care of mobs, the greater call really needs a longer duration though

It’s only 0.2 seconds longer than using 4 lesser calls

Honestly I used to think Merciful End was garbage until I discovered Divine Dash also triggers it

[grave trail]

i think im having the best run so far, I have 2 blood crystal thingys, i still have my ||2 death thing|| and some other stuff

i think i can defeat whip girl

im sorry

I suck at remembering names

[supple linden]

Megera or something

[grave trail]

anyways thanks guys

you are such a help

yes i did die, but now i know her second form and her first form moves, now all i will try is to dodge the traps

i always get hit by them when im focusing on meg

[supple linden]

just remember the ABDs of playing hades

Always Be Dashing

[grave trail]

yea

i already got that one from skelly boi

[supple linden]

best advice i can give you

try to specialize in one of your attack methods.

like. stack boons up on either attack, special, or cast. if doing attack then dash attack is also helpful

[grave trail]

wait should i do spear or shield thing

[supple linden]

Personally I like the spear

it has a nice range

[frosty basin]

Shield is easier to use for me but spear is a lot of fun

[night geode]

For new people I recommend the shield, not because it's better but because you can kind of just turtle and block everything and get a good idea for attack patterns for future runs

[frosty basin]

hmm how does Family Favourite work, how does it count boons towards the damage increase

[supple linden]

one per god

[night geode]

You get the bonus for each Olympian that you have a boon from

[supple linden]

minus ||chaos||

[grave trail]

does|| lucky tooth|| stack with ||death denial||

[frosty basin]

Like the more boon of one god I have the higher the multiplier? Is it global or for specific skill? Let's say I have Ares attack, I get more Ares boons = higher mult on my attack alone or all of my skills?

[night geode]

Nope, just one per god

[muted latch]

no, just one per god

[frosty basin]

ohhh

[muted latch]

how many boons you have from a certain one doesnt matter

[supple linden]

also shark you dont gotta spoiler any of that

[frosty basin]

And you usually get upwards to maybe 4, 5 gods per run right?

[supple linden]

but yeah it probably stacks

no reason for it not to

[grave trail]

thanks

[frosty basin]

Turns out I have been doing FF wrong then

[muted latch]

it stacks

[grave trail]

oh the shield is from the trailer

i will have fun with this

[frosty basin]

hang on when do I go with FF and when do I go with PS

[supple linden]

oh so here is a good tip that the game doesn't tell you

athena's deflect isn't projectile deflect

it's everything deflect if you time it right