#h1-for-new-players
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If this doesn't win game of the year then there is no justice in this world
@sick anchor the problem with this is that TLOU2 also came out this year and will probably get a lot of votes 😛
but i do agree
this has been my favourite game of 2020
^totally
TLOU2 had way too much controversy to win it
Was a total sleeper for me
TLOU2 ?
though game awards are hella rigged so idk
the last of us 2
Well, some games just are undeniably great
this is that game
I'm suuuper picky 42 years ol
I kinda kept my eye on Hades while it was in EA, but never really bothered to look into it much. Then I saw it was on sale on release, and now I have 140 hrs of playtime
you have 140 hours playtime and only started in 1.0
this game is a masterpiece
that's... impressive
LMAO thats a lot of playtime!
i started in 1.0 too
I have like 24
but I played it all day today
and will probably play it all day tomorrow
i have like 300 but i started with the steam release like a year ago
I work from home, and it's a phone job, so I get to do some runs while on the clock... 
nice
haha nice
roguelikes (ites) are good for that
you guys also forget cp2077 is coming out this year too
bet
unless it's just roguelike goty
I can definitely say that Hades is the best roguelike on my top to date
Taking the cup away from Dead Cells
i'd say for me; its number one in terms of quality but like third place at being a good roguelite
(one and two for proper roguelites would be Isaac and Gungeon for me, respectively)
Gungeoun I hated
I wanted to like it
however, I don't enjoy roguelite / like games
but what's beautiful about this game is the harmony of progression and story even post death
Never really gotten into gungeon either
that amount of work it took to have those systems working together..
yeah, hence why i specified quality vs actual roguelite-ness
If I could progress post death like this I would like Gungeon
I wanted to like it.
Risk of rain 2 was close
this is the stone cold nuts for me
oh i forgot ror2
but I get gungeon
ok fourth in terms of actual roguelite-ness
I should probably try RoR2 some time. First one was pretty cool
half of that reason would be me not being able to fully enjoy it because potato laptop but anyways
I only ever played single in RoR, so I probably didn't get the full experience
i'm talking as a pure roguelite, ignoring story and such (Hades is first in that aspect)
yeah as in roguelite
ah well true, hades is sorta repetitive from pure gameplay aspect
as an actual roguelite, Hades has very few buffs (items (barely over 100)), none really synergize unless you get a specified duo, its got a set layout
Rogue Legacy was better than gungeon or isaac for me
you seen Rogue Legacy 2?
yeah it looked like it, excited to see what they do with it though
Just by playtime, I think after Hades, it's Slay the Spire for me
Sweet; finished my 7th successful escape
I escaped 2 times yesterday and I feel powerful today 
haha nice, yeah it feels good to finish
it took me a long time to get my first run, but now i finish pretty much every run, even with bad boon combos
I really want an emote that is just Zagreus holding a gun
True, later challenge is not only pact of punishment, but zero darkness runs (no mirror power)
I am guessing you mean the rail
@neat epoch yep
The problem with zero darkness for me would be zero death defies [or at most, 1]
Basically because one of the runs I completed yesterday (the second one) had me destroy ||Hades ||with a high attack speed railgun
It's weird: I find the Rail super situational - I don't like it in general, but if I get specific Hammer upgrades, it's actually very nice. (One of my 3 escapes was in one of those situations, which I still find odd, as I've not escaped with Varatha yet, and I'm more consistent with the spear than the Rail in general.)
My escape was basically with a Dyonisus standard attack speed build which was pretty nice, it basically shredded bosses and thanks to the poison I was able to be more mobile
rail chews through everything with the correct boons, which are sadly few and far between
with a grain of exaggeration
Yeah, if I get any of the stackable boons, the Rail is a lot nicer (especially with any of the ammo capacity upgrades 😉
my most reliable weapon is the fists so far
yeah i just did my first full clear with fists just now 🙂
I actually did a pretty good run with fists only hindered by not knowing that ||Hades has a second phase||
The time I won was with ||Demeter's chill boon, and the boon that makes things that stack to 10 explode||, although really what won that for me as much was having Aphrodite's Call.
definitely appreciated the +10% attack range on them from the hammer
but i was also using ||the magnetic aspect (forget what its called)|| which helps
@valid shell that wrecked me on my very first encounter there, lol
I keep forgetting that ||Talos aspect|| does that
(and then being surprised by the special 😉 )
lol
lol
imagine an arbitrary skull just flies straight at you suddenly and realising it's the aspect

@flint eagle saw ||hades|| for the first time last night ||died in the phase transition but felt pleased at getting to phase 2 on the first time||
Good luck, he only gets easier as you learn his patterns
Until ||you make him / the game in general harder||
I took off god mode and oh god this is so different
have not tried god mode yet, i heard once it builds resistance it cannot be lowered
I like to use the call for hangover
always feels a bit underwhelming, never managed to escape using hangover oriented stuff yet
hangover is good for fast hitting weapons
it stacks to 5 and the poms work well on it because the effect is not diminished, you get 1 damage every level
only use dionyus cast plus its duoboons for fun
also there really isnt any reason not to pick athenas dash right
Always pick her dash
u can choose to get artemis dash insyead
Its the best dash in the game and one of the best boons in general
Athena's dash is really powerful. It's the safest dash and it lets you deflect enemy projectiles with just a press of a button
Youre already dashing through projectiles most of the time to avoid them, so it gives you more damage back than youd think
not necessarily the best dash, depends on build
Unless you already have a dash youre attached to
It's the best base dash
If youve got a blade build and youve got the blade dash, yeah id keep the blade dash there lol
artemis dash is better for dash spamming
Same for anything curse afflicting etc. It depends on what youre going for
got it
just picked hangover dash over others this run and tried to go for dio stuff (with fists) and it turned out really mediocre
i guess you have to get really lucky to get high hangover numbers
fist can dish out big dmg, get chill or weak instead, ssince they gib big base dmg
hangover dash isn't that powerful, I usually take it just for privileged status (mirror upgrade)
hangover works well with the attack, not the dash @ashen vault
poseidon dash is the best 
not on fists though, that's for sure
Is there a way to see which boss rewards I've got for each weapon?
Finished by 8th escape
- it's so sweet when a build 'clicks'.
Is there a way to see which boss rewards I've got for each weapon?
@glacial salmon ||pact of punishment menu will show what heat/rewards you’re up to with the weapon you currently have equipped||
Ah great thank you 😊 I'm not at that point yet but hope to be soon
fair enough
What are the best gods for sheild boons?
Athena : Reflect on attack
Reflecting boons are athena, no?
yes
Sometimes when I start an escape attempt, there will be a "cutscene" showing Hades menacing, saying something, while a single word appears on the screen in big letters. My latest one the word was Blood, and he said something about zagreus bleeding like a mortal. Are these just for flavor, or are they significant in a way I don't yet understand?
just for flavour dw about it
ah okay, thanks
they don’t change anything about the run, if that’s what you mean
I'm doing my first low heat runs, is zeus shield worth even with just one point investment?
i got the 5 way gun bomb move, is that any good
if you use zeus on special, level 1 zeus aspect can still be quite effective
also ares on special works without investment, but that requires athena attack and dash and merciful end to really work
chaos is the shield that really wants to be maxed out
i got the 5 way gun bomb move, is that any good
yes
if you use zeus on special, level 1 zeus aspect can still be quite effective
@formal rover thanks! yeah I figure out it's better to hold on trying chaos when i have more blood
np
In aspect of hestia using railgun does the power only go for 1 shot?
Sometimes when I start an escape attempt, there will be a "cutscene" showing Hades menacing, saying something, while a single word appears on the screen in big letters. My latest one the word was Blood, and he said something about zagreus bleeding like a mortal. Are these just for flavor, or are they significant in a way I don't yet understand?
I've wondered about this
even if it was for flavour, it's so
random lmao
the dog one killed me
they're for flavor and story
what do i want to do for with the 5 way gn bomb?
in an ideal world, get the rocket bomb hammer upgrade
otherwise, just put a decent +% boon on it
it deals pretty good damage
What are the popular gods to force for the spear?
what aspect?
it's unupgraded zag rn
ah
well then, as a base on attack you want some damage modifier god (athena, aphro, artemis, poseidon)
I'm leaning towards artemis to up DPS for boss battles
unless you get some speed upgrade or something that increases attack speed (flurry jab, swift strike from hermes), then dio, ares, and zeus can be viable
but i'd save those for special builds
something like ares special with chain skewer, for example
I'll do artemis
question: If I equip a new god's keepsake between tartarus and asphodel, does the effect still count? like will the next boon I run into be one from that god. or is it only first in the run
Yeah it'll work
yes
every time you switch keepsake you will guarantee a boon spawn from that god(dess)
Hey guys, for twin-fists: do you need to input dash-special to get the dash-upper? or can you input dash and then input special for the dash upper? finding it hard to accurately smash dash and special at the same time 🥴
You can tell if you got the dash special if he doesnt jump up I think
ah okay. That makes sense. I noticed seperating the inputs, but keeping them close to each other prevented the ground slam i got from a boon, but still got the slam on just special input
anybody on Switch have any tips for alternate keybinds that work 'better' than the default? Just curious, i know this is all subjective.
was thinking of doing the same. thumb smashing B all the time 🥴
where did you throw your call?
on B?
Whatever’s on top... x
Yep, X is top, B is bottom, Y is left and A is right
then B attack and Y special?
Ill give this a shot, thanks for sharing 😄
Something like that.
alright time to face off with redacted for the... 5th time?
so far it's 50/50
let's make it 60/40
kicked their ass, only used one death defy
nice
So I am trying to get the ||Guan Yu|| aspect, and as far as I have understood the only thing I need to do is have Achilles tell me about it, but for some reason he never does. Do I need to have a strong bond with him or something?
The name ||Guan Yu|| is spoilers in this channel. Please edit.
@leaden whale you need to ||have gotten all 6 weapons, unlocked 5 additional aspects, fought redacted, have the Fated List, and then y’all to Achilles. Keep in mind he might have other quest dialogue queued up before it shows up even if you have all the other conditions met||
The requirements for any 4th aspect weapon is pinned in #h1-story-discussion
I'm really proud of myself, 3 victories under my belt
And I finally got a character to open up their last hearts
@daring oracle Thank you :)))
@white dew congrats!
thank you :)
Just made it to the final boss for the 2nd time. Thought for sure I had 'em with 1 death defiance and 1 skelly's tooth charge left. But I just couldn't cut it.
Final boss sucks. I hate ||his stupid laser beam bs||
There are a few call abilities that are pretty useful against it
Or getting used to the cues he’ll use that and getting in cover
Really difficult! I had Athena's call ability and ||demeter's cast ability|| so I had my own ||laser beams||
Was using the Blitz Disc too
I was using spear trying to beat it first time. I've beaten it twice with shield, because hey you can shield....
I like the shield, but I can't quite get a good strategy down with it
I like the fists the most
Use shield like fists 🤷♂️ then hold down when an attack is coming to you to block
you can also just back up and stand between the lasers
they track as well in later phases no?
||Just walk slowly in either the lasers or the all direction lasers versions ||
The tracking isn’t perfect
u gotta hide behind the little pillars in the arena when lasers happen
yeah that was my problem was i was trying to stand between and they tracked me. melted me even with damage reduction
What should I spend Titans blood on? I’ve spent some on sword and fists but is there one that makes any weapon super fun?
for now its prob best to just chill on it and unlock aspects, see which ones you like
^agreed
then you can invest more heaviliy into the ones you find fun
I’d say whatever weapon you like the most, try out an aspect or two on it
I've been finding Chiron bow preeettty nasty
Chiron is pretty fun! Do try the other aspects though! They all are a lot of fun
If you can get a cast build going Hera bow can be amazing, but I tend to stick to Chiron for more general bow usage.
What kinds of builds do you folks usually do for hte Stygian Blade?
That’s a better question for #h1-builds-and-combat
ah fair
how do you fish
with a fishing rod, of course
||after a certain point you can buy a fishing rod for diamonds from the contractor, then you will be able to fish||
After ^ that, there will be a white shiny effect in the water/lava of the various levels or in between rooms that you can go over to and press the button to start fishing.
is fish once per run or is it just an unlikely occurance so you only normally see one?
It’s spaced out about 10 rooms and then a random chance to appear
You get 3-4 fish per run, if you don't miss them
I got 5 once, but it’s very rare
You can potentially get more with a particular boon from Poseidon, or by buying the lure from the well
i actively check every room after the fight cause of he coin pots and i've never had more than one
i have had a very clear "ting" on a screen i could not find it
i've only had more than one once
I've had runs where I 0-1, and some runs where I get 3-4, it's all RNG unless you get the right boons or have the well item.
yeah I'm just bad at it I guess
You’ll get better! Once you start learning enemy attack patterns it starts to get easier
Just takes time
I mean I've beaten the final boss three times I do know the enemies by now
It's just this weapon
I mean I've beaten the final boss three times I do know the enemies by now
@white dew don’t attack on sword
Special, dash attack, dash attack
Repeat
Works so good
I hated sword until I tried that out
Now it’s one of my fav weapons
Just so much damage and feels smooth to play
Look up some videos on aspect of nemesis and study how they attack
Special, dash attack, dash attack. Basically
yeah, dash attacks are your best friends on swords IMO.
^
Get Artemis dash, attack
Aphro special
And get heart rend
Sooooo much damage
One of my fav build
Sword users 
I have this weird problem that I'm really good with the Stygius (I've been enjoying ||Arthur|| at the moment)... except for at the Final Boss, where I basically get taken apart, even if I've had a good time with boss 3.
(I think part of the problem is that the approach you need to use makes my hand hurt weirdly, so by the Final Boss, I'm getting twinges. But it's not just that, it just seems like the approach I take through the rest of the game just doesn't work in the last encounter.)
The strategy against ||Hades|| is mostly about movement and having good ways to escape
Since he has enormous range, projectiles and more
I mean, I know [also naming the final boss is a spoiler in this channel 😉 ], I've managed escapes with other weapons
It's just weird that the weapons I'm best with with the final boss are the opposite to the weapons I'm best with everywhere else.
What heat you playing at? I don't have a terrible time with sword and I don't really use the dash-attack strat
Well, I can't beat the final boss with Stygius at ||heat 0||, so 😉
I think part of the problem is that my timing is just slightly off with dodges, and that matters more with Stygius than with, say, Varatha.
(and given that the other weapon I have problem with there, which I'm relatively better with everywhere else, is Malphon, I think that's definitely part of it, on consideration)
(but also, I might just try walking away for 30 minutes before the final fight to let my hands stop hurting....)
you lads choose your weapons and don't just take the one with the bonus every time?
I mean, sure. 20% darkness bonus isn't the only reason to pick a weapon.
Well, when you start playing with|| heat||, bosses kinda stop ||dropping Darkness|| so it isn't as enticing
yeah but still, 20%+ over the course of many runs adds up
Plus, I mostly maxed out my mirror at this point.
yeah i'm not at 30,000 darkness so i still have a ways to go on mirror
it takes, like, 30,000 doesn't it?
might have to start repeating heats just to get big darkness
Erm, probably? The only non-maxed out things on mine are at the bottom now
(and that's on both sides of each option)
I strongly suggest rerolling and maxing out the bottom perk in particular
If u look at the wiki u can calculate how much darkness it takes for a full mirror
I wouldnt
I rarely use rerolls
The damage is better for me
but it all depends on playstyle
I have lots in the bottom perk, because there's nothing else for me to put darkness in... and I never use it
Its quite costly the bottom stuff
But Kuroui... the bottom option is two different rerolls
yeah, the bottom two cost more than every single other perk combined lol
Yeah, but he said he has both sides of the mirror maxed, surely you can lay back on a few of those
you can also just get the unlockable from contractor
Well, I misspoke when I said maxed
that allows you to get rerolls from keys
fated authority has done some good for me
I could, but again: I have some darkness in the bottom two slots, and I don't use them
But putting even two points into rerolls is a huuuge gamechanger
I imagine it's better if it's maxed out, a little extra freedom in using it
haven't tried the other one yet but seems even better tbh, I've had so many situations with bad shops or boons
I very rarely think, "you know what, I really don't like any of the options here".
Mostly only in Tartarus in my experience
has allowed by to buy back a death defiance on mutliple occassions
also, rerolling the infernal gates can be good right?
I didnt even consider that
so you can turn big money into big god boon
This is def turning into not new player talk
This is true
so be careful what you reveal to others
oh right
Anyone know if increasing damage increases the boons effect damage? For example if my weapon has bonus damage would that increase the lightning or doom damage on it?
so I managed to max-rank all of the standard keepsakes
Depends on the wording
but i'm confused because i apparently did that already when i launched the game for the very first time??
y game make me do thing twice
No, that was a bug in achievement awarding
@silent trail For example Ares attack boon can increase Doom dmg but not base atk
i love that bug, achievement stats says more people have max-ranked keepsakes than obtained them, lol
where as Artemis Attack boon specifically increases attack dmg
That said, I'm almost there for real - I just went through a period of carrying around the Chaos one for ages to get cheap Chaos boons, so the others were a bit behind.
@dawn niche so for example Dashing Flight would not up lightning damage?
yeah ever since i got my first keepsake i've done nothing but use unmaxed keepsakes
and now that I have the plume and butterfly achievements, I finally have complete freedom to use whichever one I want
even though the plume and butterfly seem really good outside of just getting the achievements
does ||sisyphus|| ever work
They are, WATER, yeah. (I'm a tiny bit off of the butterfly achievement myself, but I will go for it again sometime.)
does ||sisyphus|| ever work
@sullen pier I mean sure, in all the copious moments you're not talking to him. (He's gotta be ||pushing Bouldy up that hill|| when you ||don't find him in the ! room|| on a run, right?)
@silent trail is that a hermes boon? gonna look it up
I guess that's true
Hammer upgrade for the shield @dawn niche
man, never would've thought
||Chronos ate his children||
Lighting damage is seperate since its an additional effect
You can always check on how much damage your lightning does
Look spoiler tags are ||fun||, oka
it's ok, the progression is usually
||1. lose the theseus, 2. lose to Hades phase one, 3. lose to Hades phase two, 4. win||
maybe with a varying number of deaths at each step
Yeah I've beaten it 3 times, I just suck at the stygian blade
I'm trying to beat it with all different weapons
Are you using Zag aspect
i mean the aspect shouldn't matter
if so maybe try out one of theother ones
i think i've beaten it with zag aspect
Its just a playstyle thing
thats not the point im trying to make
lol
different builds work better with diff aspects
Like Exit Wounds Aspect of Poseidon is good
I got sort of close honestly, I think I'd have done it with more health
I came there with 250
250 is enough health 
would have been with a ranged weapon lol
So far I've done it with Exagryph, Spear, and Aegis
the others are gonna be harder I think
250 is more than enough health
Yes you folks are better than me, I know
What does ||Herme's Cast Speed|| do?
Does it ||increase the projectile speed of your cast|| or something else?
So it's related to the hold cast to fire in rapid succession and nothing else... hmmm...
Seems odd
can be good depending on build
It also means you can move to other attacks / inputs if you don’t have multiple casts
i had a build with aphrodite cast where each cast was dealing 400+ damage, would've been good with that
I was a big fan of my run with 5 ||Crystal Beams|| the causes ||Chill and exploded at 10 chill.||
do you get anything from fighting Charon again?
same discount for that run
helps you get the codex entry for card
also you always get to keep the 300 gold you borrow
thanks!
ye
Also there’s a prophecy for beating him twice in a row @dawn moon
yes, twice in a row, not counting when you beat him before being assigned the prophecy I believe
That one was kind of weird for me
I beat him twice before getting the prophecy
Then one more kill earned me the prophecy
@daring oracle i heard it has to be two consecutive runs for the prophecy? not sure
Doesn't have to be consecutive runs
That would suck because of how rare it is to trigger
it doesnt have to be consecutive runs
it has to be consecutive fights
so if you fight him and win
and then dont trigger it for like 5 runs
it doesnt matter
so long as the two in a row you fight you win
also thats def post game so please spoiler tag
Remember there is always #h1-builds-and-combat or #h1-story-discussion
also you can use death/stubborn defiance in either of the fights and it'll still count
^^
I recently beat the final boss for the first time but I've then gotten there and lost 4 more times, any tips on how to more easily get there?
Not playing on any heat
Been trying out fists and spear but not great with them
u can turn on god mode, if u dont want that, shield is the easiest way
any particular shield aspect?
chaos probably
i personally prefer aphro/demeter with athena dash but up to you
Aphrodite has the highest percentage increase on damage, always good for attack builds
oh damn
She also has a boon that makes weak foes take even more damage
yeah ive seen that one, didnt know she had the highest dmg increase tho
im kind of in a bad spot bc i spent all my ||titan blood|| to get ||guan yu|| so i am somewhat broke
and before i knew what to do, i bought ||three levels in Hades spear||, which it turns out im pretty bad with
Yeah, spin isnt a great move even at the best of times
Do not despair, all level 1 weapons are capable of beating the game
i just beat hades for the first time and couldn't figure out how to add ||heat|| to my runs. i'm not sure if i just need to play the game more or if i'm doing something wrong. any help would be great
try maxing out ||Forced Overtime|| and grind with that
and once you feel semi-confident lower ||forced overtime|| and invest in something else, the entire game will feel like a slo-mo
disclamer: it might mess up with your deflect timing
also, congrats on beating ||Hades|| bruv
when i tried adding any of the ||pact of punishment|| things the game wouldn't let me
What do you mean it wouldn't?
like when i hit the plus button to add an effect it wouldnt increase
Have you beaten it with that weapon?
That’s how you increase it. Keep an eye on the left side to see the number.
oh, can i only do it with weapons ive beaten the game with?
No, the weapon doesn't matter
You don’t need to beat it with a weapon before the menu is open
okay it seems to be working now, might have just been a bug
oof
just remember you keep earning titans blood for each heat with each weapon (if that makes sense)
hi guys, someone can say me which is the best weapon?
@fluid crag i think shield to learn attack patterns and then bow for dps
i found bow quite hard to use early on as it attacks quite differently to other weapons
press & hold vs tap
there is a hammer upgrade for the bow that lets you just hold down/tap to attack and it was what got me through to (and beating) the final boss lol
which one is chiron again? cast load or tracking special?
tracking
I think tracking shot
ahh ok yup - thats the only bow ive won with so far
I havent touched forced overtime at all yet because i was using the butterfly for a while, and i was worried id get hit too much
i'll have to try the other bows soon
@fallow river i kept having the same thing and then I realized until you get through final boss it only lets you do the rank you're on- some heat options add 2 or 3 heat, when you are on 1 it won't let you add more
are fishing rods like a one time use or somthing cus i bought one and i fished once and have yet to find another fishing spot after like 10 escape attempts and ive been looking at all the rivers
You can use it indefinitely. You've just been having some bad luck.
dang
how can one farm titan's blood beyond the ones you get for clearing Tartarus the first time with a weapon?
beat final boss, then you can do runs with ||heat||
Oh, so nothing I can do to get more before that?
nope
Thanks.
as far as i remember you can't trade for titan blood before you get your first clear, and you get titan blood from final boss as well as the furies
so once you do your first clear it'll be way easier to get titan blood a bunch of different ways
You can buy Titan's Blood soemtimes in the final shop
For 1200 obol
half the time it's a diamond for 1000 instead though
So you can get more TB even if you don't go for ||heat runs||
I see.
I just got some from the wretched broker.
😁
Is that what you meant by trade for titan blood?
Keys for blood is an insanely good deal
Agreed.
Ambrosia is aight too early game
Curse of Agony is hot garbage on fists, right?
Attack
merciful end is one of its best builds actually
ah
agony = a = attack
pain = p = s pecial
Curse of Agony is hot garbage on fists, right?
@rustic idol pretty much
Cause u are wasting damage by putting it on something that hits rapidly
Unless u get merciful end or the boon where multiple stacks of doom do more damage
trading an uncommon resource (blood, diamonds, ambrosia) for a common resource is usually a bad trade, even if it can look tempting
there's a limited time deal that's like 1 ambrosia for 500 darkness
that's a good deal for new players still working on the mirror
mirror upgrades are vital and immediately helpful, and new players don't need ambrosia
New to the game, just started in Hell mode yesterday, which puts heat at 5. I need two diamonds now, but I'm unclear how this is supposed to work. Tried upping the heat to 6 but it says the gauge is exceeded, and I didn't get another diamond when I killed the snake?
arent you supposed to be able to get more by playing at higher heat levels or something? or was that changed?
You can also exceed the heat with no penalties, dont worry about it
It says exceed cause you havent beaten the game yet
only after you clear, you can't skip bounties
I dont suggest hell mode for beginners, since you can later set the heat to that level whenever you want in a normal mode game
if you're experienced with the genre and want your first escape to feel earned rather than something you just breeze through, it's fine to start with
doesn't matter, I'm familiar with the genre, not too hard
almost through elysium so far
Yeah but the issue is that the five minimum heat cant be changed, whereas in normal mode you can set those five points wherever you want. But you do you, my man
a harder initial playthrough is arguably the only reason to use hell mode, it doesn't really offer much if you're already midgame on normal
yeah, I don't want to have the option of turning it down basically
So just in, I love merciful end. It’s fun dashing into people to trigger doom damage
Merciful end makes Impending doom so much better too
As if it even needed to be better
Indeed.
oh wow a 22MB update!
probably a bugfix yes
Hello
Just beat the game for the first time. Do I get more rewards for beating it again on 0 heat or do I have to turn up the heat for more rewards. Also does the story progress with 0 heat bc that was hard enough as is
What’s the locked door on the left side of the house for and when is it unlocked
@jagged fossil ||Yes, you need to turn up the heat to get additional bounties. However, the bounties track separately with each weapon, so you can get more by beating the game on 0 heat with one of the other weapons, although of course that will only work 6 times. If you’re struggling, consider turning on god mode.
It’s perfectly possible to finish the game and epilogue without using heat at all.||
Real talk, I’ve had god mode since my 20th run or so, and it’s a wonderful addition.
@jagged fossil @formal rover please be mindful that ||Heat|| is spoilers in this channel. 
Oops sorry
What’s a good shield build early on?
aphro/ares i guess
anything with a high damage special, i like ares or zeus a lot
can ares give you doom on special?
yes
oh cool - kinda want to try ||chaos aspect|| and grab the ares trinket/keepsake so i can hopefully get doom on the shield bounces
y dont u just put zeus instead since the dmg will chain to others, creating multiple instances of dmg
Zeus special has a cooldown. It can hit a single enemy every .2 seconds.
Which isn't much if a cooldown but it does apply to shield 3.
@austere plinth it becomes unlockable at a certain point through the house contractor, then it has some neat uses.
@pure minnow thanks
In trial of the gods, does the god I pick affect the rarity of the boon? Or will I get the same boon choices either way and it just changes the enemies
neither, it just affects what special attack you have trying to kill you
aka don’t pick against aphrodite if you value your life
Oh ok, I thought the enemy spawns were different too but I haven't paid too much attention
Omg what does she throw at you?
She just stunlocks you with charm hearts
Oh no
Athena only makes enemies invincible for a short time, can’t damage you; and Ares has a very slow moving damaging aoe
Those two are the best to pick against imo
Omgno I picked against Athena in ||Elysium|| and she kept putting shields around ||the eyeballs that regenerate into the fighter dudes|| it was terrible
(idk what counts as spoilers)
Yeah Athena is rough there specifically
Generally in this channel it’s anything past ||styx||
Oh I haven't gotten that far lol
welp
I'm not good enough to beat theseus
Nah I don't care about spoilers I watch my husband play
Yeah they’re definitely the first big difficulty wall
Well, I did in early access. So I don't know the new ending
Yeah
I have less than stellar multitasking skills so fighting two bosses simultaneously is rough lol..
Maybe that's of some help for the fight. #h1-for-new-players message
Huh I usually focus asterius first, my husband said that's his strategy bc theseus's attacks are easier to dodge
Yeah, I’d say Asterius is better to focus first unless you’ve got stupidly high damage
Theseus quite literally just vibes while you beat up Asterius, besides the occasional spear toss
Lol
Yeah he doesn't really bullrush you like asterius does
But still, he catches me unawares bc I'm distracted
And by that I mean I completely miss the glowing pink target on my face
@jagged fossil @formal rover please be mindful that ||Heat|| is spoilers in this channel.
@gray haven Sorry yeah, should have known that. My bad; tagged now.
Focusing on Asterius first is easier. Focusing on Theseus first is faster.
Fair enough
Thanks guys! I just beat him for the first time!!

Back in early access I couldn't do it, i hit a wall and stopped playing. I've surpassed where I was then, in fewer runs :D
Unfortunately I spent all my gold thinking I wouldn't get this far hahaha
Started a run with the intention of dying early just to move the story, then I got a hammer in the first room lol
I thought focusing theseus was easier
Omg that was gonna be a throwaway run but not only did I beat theseus for the first time, I ||managed to bring hades down by half a health bar, and that's not bad for my first try!||
Congrats!
good job
Thanks :D
Hi, can anyone recommend a build that easy for new players to win the hades fight?
Using chaos shield with high damage worked for me
||hades|| is spoiler territory
Yeah you should cover that up
struggling to open the last aspect of any weapon someone help ? i played like 50 runs
idk if || aspects || are a spoiler too, but to be safe i'll hide it. || i think you just have to unlock some aspects of some weapons, then beat hades. a new talk should then be available with Achilles ||
did that multiple times :(

|| how many total aspects did u unlock? for all weapons, i mean ||
|| i've done only 3 successful runs but i have the last aspect of spear unlocked ||
idk i guess i'll have to simply spend titan blood on them without playing them
|| for me it was unlocking/upgrading a couple from shield, fists, bow and stygius ||
#h1-story-discussion 2nd pinned message
does weak on attack also trigger when I dash attack?
yes
does weak on attack also trigger when I dash attack?
@frosty hearth general rule is attack boons trigger on dash attack, attack hammers do not (for melee weapons at least)
i think theres a couple exceptions but i can't think of any rn
the attack % added also applicable on dash-attack right?
for attack boons yes; i'm not sure about chaos boons
chaos boons specify attack or dash attack so i'm gonna assume no on those
Wow. They nerfed the mirror a metric ton since I last played. Death Defiances and general good abilities cost an arm and a leg
how so
In 1.0 they increased the cost of mostly everything in the mirror except Fated Auth/Persuasion. Those got a massive discount.
I am on a new safefile and I didn't find the darkness cost too steep, the keys are my top priority now
I'm on 30ish runs and I got pretty much all the mirror upgrades I want so it's not really that bad
about 5k darkness in total
I need 4k or so for the last green item in the mirror
The one that lets you re-roll fated something
90 attempts but I've maxed out almost all the rest as well
When can I put Extreme measures to rank 4? for the last boss?
get some more wins in
||what are the recommended heat settings for a beginner? i'm only doing heat 1 or 2 just using the setting that spawns more enemies on regular encounters||
it's not that i'm having trouble with it
it's just i'm wandering if I can be more effective
i used to take damage control
I just use ||Extreme Measures||
em is pretty fun
Because ||at the start the first boss only gets a bit more difficult but tbh it‘s barely noticeable||
It is very fun! It’s also very easy to farm the || 1 heat Titan Blood rewards || with it imho, if you can already beat a run on standard settings
||yeah I already have all weapons clear with Heat 1 except bow, plus one or two clears in Heat 2||
||I've having success with Jury Summons, was just wandering if I can use a more optimized option||
Anything about ||Extreme Measures, Pact Of Punishment, and Heat|| is a spoiler in this channel. Please edit your posts.
sorry edited my posts
Thanks
do i just get the ||gold from the chthonic purse|| immediately? i can't tell if it has been "used" or not. i don't have to do anything to gain it, right?
(other than of course bring it)
You get it immediately, and there's no benefit to keeping it after equipping. swap it ASAP for best benefit
yeah, thats what i figured. thought it felt like i had more than i deserved lol, swapped it out at first opportunity. it just didnt say anything on it about having gained the thing
Hi, does anyone know when or how do I unlock weapon aspects??
unlock all 6 weapons then do one more run
skelly will tell you when you've unlocked them
oh, thank you
@frosty hearth @versed dune Strike boons from Master Chaos (+X% Attack damage) will affect Dash-Attacks also.
Noted
Dash-Strike boons, by the way, will also affect Malphon's Dash-Upper.
Hey, I just started playing this game a few days ago and uh... Does anyone have any Theseus and Minotaur tips? I cannot beat them for the life of me.
@queen dawn that fight is a big difficulty spike compared to previous so dont worry about walling there for a bit
it's a lot of learning the attack patterns and especially the tell on the spear throw
@queen dawn take out the Minotaur first. Phase 2 Theseus is a hassle to also have the bull attacking you.
Duck behind the pillar(s) whenever Theseus is readying his spear (target on you). After he throws, he’ll walk away from you giving you a chance to strike.
When the bull is charging at you, run to a pillar and dash through it to the other side right before he’d hit you so he crashes.
if you keep a God's keepsake when entering a new zone will you still meet that god first?
Ok so it makes no sense to keep that keep sake then I suppose
i've read somewhere it resets by biome?
There is kind of still a reason, you keep the increase in rarity from the keepsake.
The god gets forced to appear only once.
cuase I was sugested to use the same keepsake (god one) for the first two biomes
is it just for the rarity increase?
It's a super fringe case but if you have a run where you care about getting Zeus boons and nothing else, then it could theoretically maybe be worthwhile. I'd still rather take other things though.
The god gets forced to appear until you pick one of their boons. If you have the Poseidon keepsake equipped, and you pick up a Poseidon boon from any source, that's it.
There is a number under the keepsake, it will vanish once it's used up. After that it's good for the rarity and nothing else.
ah yes, the same number as chaos boons right?
also i've read somewhere that if you have a certain god's boon that god has a chance to appear more in your run?
Kinda. Naturally the game will give you new gods until you have four. If you start with, say, Athena, then she's one of the four in the pool.
So she has a higher chance to show up again.
You can increase that number by equipping more god keepsakes but it's kinda diminishing returns, plus branching out that far isn't usually a good idea. You do kinda want support boons from the gods you already have.
knowing that, I wonder if family favorite is still worth 
I'm using Hera Bow currently and I wanted Dio's cast
It is. It's 25% passive increase. Hermes also counts and he always shows up.
Personally I always run Priv Status unless I know I'm going for Artemis (sometimes also Ares), as with those it usually becomes more difficult to keep Priv Status up reliably.
In the second biome, you'd typically run a god keepsake to force a specific god for your build.
If you're not sure what to take because you have nothing in particular in mind, Coin Purse is always a good pick.
oh is that why people run god boon for first two?
Yeah, typically.
it's one in first biome, another in the second gotcha
Just lets you get the core build you want.
I just don't know what God to pick tbh
I mean I want the duo boon from Zeus and Dio
but I don't have the cast yet
I Dio Special and Zeus Call
I'm not sure whether I can get the duo boon if I don't have the cast it benefits though
you can check the requirements for duo boons in codex
Taking the Overflowing Cup into biome 2 is fine if you want to try to go for that. You know something you want, after all.
But Coin Purse is also still a good choice. You'll definitely see Lord Zeus and Lord Dionysus more often in your run because you already have boons from them.
So Coin Purse could let you buy 1 more boon, for example.
Well my coin purse is rank 1 😄
Even an extra hundo is a good boost
Yup, plus it ranks it up.
Chaos is probably the most powerful
what bout zeus
I mean, I'm not a huge fan of Ares cast in the first place
yeah
That's a question for the spoiler channel!
I just unlocked the last 2 upgrades in the mirror. which one should i get first? God's Pride or Fated Authority? My gut tells me Authority
The reroll perks are strong, but huge darkness sinks. I suggest putting one point if you feel like it, since they are really strong
Generally, the boon reroll is stronger than the room reroll
room reroll good for farming
Farming what, darkness? If that's what you need, repeat zero heat runs are much better
If it's Nectar, doing the above then trading is also better
I'm not that interested in the room reroll
How many ranks do you get in the boon reroll? 3?
Room reroll lets you see if you're entering a dead end branch (for example a Charon room that leads to the boss) so you can farm more efficienty
You cant reroll charon stores, actually
No, you cant reroll ANY charon stores
Even ones taht arent before a boss
You also cant reroll the NPC encounter rooms
Right, but if you see, say a pom and it's also not able to be rerolled, you know it's a dead end
Or... you could just look at the room number
Sorry wot
13 is always before the first boss
23 is always before the second
35 before the third, I think

Yeah, where do you even see that?
B
Theseus is a nightmare when you're starting the game
Well that's exactly what I'm doing
Do you try to fight them both at the same time?
Don’t get Theseus below half health until the bull is defeated
But there are some easy ways around him, first is to kill the Minotaur first then try and slowly get Theseus to half his life, once you've done that prepare for the second phase, remember that Theseus has different god alignments and also remember that he starts to walk back to go away from you for a few seconds after he throws his spear
Is the opposite for me. I just stick to Theseus till he's defeated. The bull easy to deal with afterwards
Do you try to fight them both at the same time?
@viral elk No, I always kill the bull first and every single time, I get so close with Theseus but he pulls out the blessing of the gods and I hate my life
The point is that while the Bull is charging at you, you don’t want to deal with Theseus’s area of effect aid
Ah
His spears are easy enough to dodge, so it’s fine to ignore him
Well I try to have Athena's dash boon if I can. And then just ignore Asterius till Theseus is dead
But that's just me, I play quite haphazardly so I won't tell you to listen to my playstyle, lol
What does ||Dark Foresight|| do?
I BEAT THESEUS I DID IT WOOOO
What does ||Dark Foresight|| do?
@midnight granite Makes it so you get more gold-leafed rooms (Boons, Poms, Health, Obols) over blue-leafed rooms (Darkness, Nectar, Gems, Keys).
Thanks. Someone answered on the other thread. I never realized there was a visual difference
okay well now I know the difference between the rooms
thanks for that, that'll help with those chaos deals
Pretty good to make your build stronger as you get more run-specific rewards, so more power ups. Makes it harder to get meta-resources though, if you still need the stuff from the blue doors you shouldn't really use it.
Also you get less keys during the run, so less rerolls, which does kinda hurt.
Yeah. I don't think I'm there yet
Only beat ||Hades|| the one time||. Have Extreme Measure 1 on now so I can get more blood and diamonds, but struggling with Hades.|| The large aoe attack I haven't gotten the timing down
It has a fairly well telegraphed animation but the timing for the dash can be a bit awkward. Athena Dash always helps.
just hide behind something for his aoe thing or get mobility perks
mobility perks are way better than they seem at first
||hades is pretty rough to get used to but he's a blast when you figure it out||
||Hades circular strike is brutal||. Still figuring it out.
Yeah, it's something you need to get used to. There are certain builds that can mostly just either tank it through or straight up burn him down quicker than he can hurt you.
When does it trigger? I'm dashing too early, I feel like
I feel like I try to go laterally when I see the white line
But I need to wait a little longer for my invincibility to be up while he swings
Is that right?
If you both start your dash AND end your dash within the radius, you will likely get hit. That attack has a lot of active frames
I suggest dashing out of it entirely
Alright. So just stay wide
commit to everything else on screen before the actual boss, have a plan for adds/bombs/traps when they come up
yep I have most of that down
at this stage I think its patience
but also a great damage build would be helpful
lol
I had one poop build that couldn't reliably clear bombs before they went off
that was sad
at that point you just have to plan not to clear them and give yourself enough room to dash the shockwave
sorry if we're getting into spoiler territory here
I don't know. I don't find that fight very fun. Dude is a tank. It just feels like this long haul of playing conservatively
yeah the last 2 bosses are kinda marathons
at least mino eats it quickly
I'm still exploring the game and I can now improve my weapon with titan blood. Which weapon would you recommend me to invest on ?
your favorite one to play
you can cheese him out with the shield pretty easily, it can block pretty much every attack
but you should check out an aspect rank list
Dionysus is a good god for the gauntlets right?
Shield is good
because the effect stacks
I think I'll try a build based on that
shield the second one is good
haven't won with the fists yet
Where can I find such thing ?
?
Aspect rank list
okay !
jawless paul has a good one
make sure its 1.0
^
Thanks for the heads up
Wait I just landed on his ytb channel
||Mintaure & Theseus are the final bosses ? ||
Haha okay cool
2nd to last
This is the farest room I went to so far
what weapons do you like the most so far
That's why i'm asking
how do you cover sp[oilers in here?
Just select the texte before sending
alt+124
||Should I fully upgrade one weapon first ? Or just invest all weapon at the same speed ? ||
Its up to you but i would recommend not putting it all into one weapon right away
One aspect sure
I need to understand whare aspect are
100% don't upgrade
one weapon
for many reasons, but it will also severly hamper your story progress
Ths 1st upgrade ?
unlockign them is a ok
^
So Aspects just have different effects
with Stygian for example, there are the 3 primary, Zagreus, Poseidon and Nemesis
each have diffferent effects
Zag buffs speed
Poseidon causes your cast to dislodge from enemies
And Nemesis increases damage after special
its just different play styles
Theres no one better than another
Thanks !
so is titan blood not guaranteed after beating the first boss? In the beginning I used to get it almost every time but now I'm usually only getting darkness
is there a different way to get more for the aspect upgrades and stuff?
you'll only get blood from beating the fury once (with each weapon), after that they'll only drop darkness
there is another consistent way to get blood, but only after you've beaten the final boss
oh dang, i wish i knew that so I could have used it more on the aspects i liked lol
I guess i'll just have to beat him then LOL
You can also trade for it at the broker, of course, but that's going to take longer.
youll get more later
dont worry about the titans blood for now
try to finish some runs and eventually you'll get to a part in the story when you can get more
do we agree that ||chiron aspect unupgraded on bow|| is pretty bad ?
It's not great, but plenty capable of beating the game
There are a few aspects that really require full investment in order to shine
I just picked the blood filled vial but then I go in and the first boon is poseidon
huh?
has that ever happened to you folks?
I've gotten Daedelus hammers sometimes but never another god's boon
that must be a bug right
it can happen
I’ve had Hermes show up after selecting a god trinket. He at least comments on making the other god wait though.
the god will tell you that the other one is on their way
Is it just random or is it plot related then
its not a guarantee on the first, but the second one is definitely the one you chose
its just because its.. somewhat realistic that way? i mean, gods cant be everywhere at once
oh damn
well then
Fishing
the fishing one, huh?
ye
hello guys
yup thats scripted when you get the rod
Yeah that’s kind of scripted
anyone had crushes when playing the game for the first 5 mins?
i just bought it played the first run
and then boom crushes everywhere
xD
athena artemis and aphrodite are hot af
dionysus 😏
Dio looks good yeah. Love the hair
should i post at tech support channel?
dionysus is the personification of "best buddy when youre drunk at a party who keeps you safe"
if its visible in-game, @candid siren, you can press F10 to report it
but if your whole game dies, thats not an option obviously
What do I do with titan Blood
upgrade weapons
Where
After you’ve unlocked all 6
and unlock different versions
Oh ok
just patience
I bought the game today and it's super fun
It's so fun
Ive unlocked 5 weapons
i wish i could play it 😦
Only the last boss is spoiler here I think?
Idk
asterius is tough
Yeah, took me a while. Basically have him down to a science now though
but sometimes I get too bold and he hits me
hate when he does the axe swing without an animation beforehand
Is it useful to pet Cerberus?
for the soul, yes
hell yeah
Wdym
It just feels good
theseus, on the other hand, is just an annoying battle of waiting him out
you can just kite him around one of those objects there and keep using cast (or special on rail)
Wondering if it's worth it to replace a level 3 epic ares special for a level 3 heroic artemis special
using the blade
although once i absolutely ROBBED him of his life with ||artemis greater call||
i think ares is better
then again, its not that important, the trades are mostly balanced
just your own preference
I can handle the elysium match but every time I've beaten redacted a call has been involved
Poseidon's is my fav
lol, one time i had dionysus normal attack, then got an offer to get zeus rare attack, then demeter epic attack, then dionysus heroic attack
wdym?
oh damn it's a fishing spot
I wonder if I can always see that or only with this fishing legendary
you mean a boon? they just appear
OH lol
maybe you mean the Inbox, which is in the far top right next to the question mark (on pc)
i mean i had message for me in this channel
No the icon for the room was giving off beams of light
cus there red 1 near
I dunno if I just have hella tunnel vision but I don't think I've seen that before
must be the fishing boon
@white dew was it darkness?
no gems
mb u just bought upgrade for gems in contractor?
it could be the fishing boon yes
