h1-for-new-players

[hollow hull]

me too 😔

[flint quarry]

Please be patient with me, I’m not the best at building good rogue like builds. This is my first action rogue like

[plucky surge]

Don't worry, unless you're speedrunning you don't really need that great of a build to beat your first couple of runs or even finish the story

You just play, discover new things and have fun

[flint quarry]

First thing I do when I play a rogue like is usually just focus on unlocking stuff before going bonkers with builds

[plucky surge]

yeahhh it's natural for the first 10-20 runs to end in a death

Maybe 20 is a bit too much but you get my point

Don't remember on which run I have first beaten the final boss

check pinned messages for some beginner guides if u wanna

[hollow hull]

20 is still on the quicker side

[plucky surge]

Maybe, I don't really remember when I've beaten it

is there even a way to check it?

[slender valley]

Took 38 for me

[slender valley]

||administrative chamber, the record will have the quote “first of many”(and is also the first marked “clear”||

[plucky surge]

alright I'll check it

||ngl I often forget this chamber even exists||

[somber frigate]

20 is the lower end

The average is 20-80

[plucky surge]

Okay nevermind

it took me 29

I really took it for granted lmao

[somber frigate]

Although that upper bound maybe should be brought down a bit with recent numbers

[slender valley]

||its only used for records and favors so reasonable||

[slender valley]

80 seems like an extreme high ball

[somber frigate]

I think you could reasonably bring it down to 20-50 on average with the influx of better gammers

[somber frigate]

I’ve been using the same numbers for 4 years

But I think you can very much bring the high end down with recent numbers

[plucky surge]

Yeahhh that's way too much for an average person

[somber frigate]

especially the last 2 years

I think 20-50 or 20-60 sounds more accurate nowadays

[plucky surge]

by 80 runs I've killed the final boss 42 times from what I've counted and I'd considered myself below the average of a gamer

[somber frigate]

The average gamer has risen since the game came out ngl

[hollow hull]

We don’t have a good estimate since there’s no point in getting one

[plucky surge]

Yeahh

[somber frigate]

So has the support for them

[hollow hull]

The important stats are what you do after

[plucky surge]

also true

tho I wonder if there are any people who have beaten it on their first attempt

I highly doubt so but maybe

[hollow hull]

Nah

[slender valley]

That’s def not below average

[hollow hull]

Never say never I guess but beating fresh file is difficult even for experienced hades gamers

[somber frigate]

The answer is definitely 0

[hollow hull]

(Me who hasn’t done it once)

[slender valley]

True fresh file is almost impossible

[somber frigate]

After your first clear it’s pretty easy sailing

[plucky surge]

I was about to say that

[somber frigate]

Although it does depend on how much you’re cranking heat and what not but

[slender valley]

I personally only got my first clear by scraping by

It all depends if you actually make a good build

Which I mostly just brute forced for my first few clears

[plucky surge]

after you beat it the first time, unless you did it very luckily on 1hp ||you're most likely going to get the true ending in the next 20 runs or so||

[hollow hull]

Yeah once it clicks it clicks

[plucky surge]

tho now that I look at my first attempts it actually hurts to see these builds

[slender valley]

||persephone coming back or family feast?||

[somber frigate]

Usually with roguelites it kind of just clicks after 1 or 2 victories I feel

[plucky surge]

||persephone||

[somber frigate]

I get that vibe from a lot of people I know who play roguelites and from personal experience

[plucky surge]

||in other words after you kill Hades once, you'll probably kill him 9 more times in 20 runs||

[plucky surge]

Yeah but that also depends on the game

[somber frigate]

Epligoue completion within 20 clears of you first win is borderline impossible unless you’ve played like a hundred runs prior to your first clear

[plucky surge]

Binding of Isaac is really rng dependant

for example

[somber frigate]

Well yeah but that’s kind of the extreme of rng afaik

Aside from Noita

[plucky surge]

I love TBoI but I also hate it so much because of that

People say skill issue but the truth is that if you don't get good enough items it's borderline impossible to kill any of the final bosses or even semi-final bosses

especially with The Lost who dies in 2 hits, but let's not go offtopic

[somber frigate]

I just recently picked up Rebirth on my 3ds

So it’s just vanilla rebirth, no dlcs

I’ve been hitting Isaac and Cain and I can’t remember who else

[plucky surge]

You're missing out on some really crazy items

[somber frigate]

I get tear delay downs

[plucky surge]

but also you're able to do some even crazier glitches that have been patched

[somber frigate]

I also get 3ds glitches

[plucky surge]

I forgot the word in english

like when you

break the game but in your favor

and not really break but like

abuse the mechanics

you get the point

[somber frigate]

Uh “tech” iirc

[plucky surge]

nahhh isaac players had their own term

[dusty vault]

Rig?

[plucky surge]

Oh yeah I think it was that one

[tulip surge]

Hey, I have a question. I have been playing Hades for the past week and now I unlocked all weapons and mirror upgrades. What use do I have for my 39 keys I have now?

[dusty vault]

Trading

Or resetting the mirror

[plucky surge]

you can trade them for others resources

[tulip surge]

Where do I trade them?

[dusty vault]

15 keys get you a titan blood sometimes at the trader so that's great

[dusty vault]

Big shade at your right while entering the lounge

[tulip surge]

That could help

[plucky surge]

spoiler for an endgame vanity thing - ||you can also buy a different theme for 200 keys and imo its the nicest looking one so||

[tulip surge]

Thank you

[tulip surge]

That is great. I only ||escaped 4 times|| so far... I don't know how close I am to the end game

[plucky surge]

||Themes change the way your card thats showing your score at the end of the run look like||

[somber frigate]

A bit of a ways off

[plucky surge]

there are two events you can consider end game and you're not that far away from one of them

[tulip surge]

It was bummer when ||I escaped and just died of a curse or something lol||

One must imagine Zagreus happy

[plucky surge]

||You mean dying after talking to Persephone?||

[tulip surge]

Yeah that

[somber frigate]

Which ones?

[tulip surge]

Oh that's interesting

so different ends I have?

[somber frigate]

||epilogue or first 32 heat completion||

[plucky surge]

||True ending and the Epilogue||

[somber frigate]

Credits is like the end of early game wdym

[tulip surge]

||You mean when I have a total of 32 heat in a run?||

[plucky surge]

Okay you're right actually

[plucky surge]

yep

[somber frigate]

I mean that’d be right around endgame content like I’d benchmark it there

Yes

[plucky surge]

it's like

the final challenge that actually awards you

[tulip surge]

I'm already struggling with 2 heats lol

[somber frigate]

You’ll get there eventually

[plucky surge]

you'll get there, don't worry

[tulip surge]

Alright thank you guys for being of so much help

[plucky surge]

I was scared of using ||the pact|| at first and now I run some of the settings by default

because I'm just used to them

and from what I know it's like that for many other players

||One you should start getting used to if you ever think about speedrunning or just getting a nice time is Forced Overtime, as it makes the enemies spawn faster||

[somber frigate]

Once you turn on ||FO (Forced Overtime) || there’s no reason to ever turn it off again

[celest flint]

Oh interesting, I didn't know that

[plucky surge]

True ||Same with the timer, I always have it on at least 7 minutes||

[celest flint]

I feel like ||forced overtime gives more heat than it should relative to how much difficulty it adds||

[somber frigate]

Well timer actually comes off for In game time speedruns

[somber frigate]

It does not

It does really make some later game pacts like a lot worse

But it’s better than the other options

[plucky surge]

||it can feel that way once you get used to it by itself, but at first it can be a pain in the ass, same when combined with other pacts||

||64 heat runners probably wish the enemies were slower lmao||

[somber frigate]

Lernie Tax would not be nearly as much of a thing without FO2

[tulip surge]

Should I trade Ambrosia for Titan blood? I have 10 of them and I don't know what use they have

[plucky surge]

tho having said that I do think ||some pacts give more or less heat than they should||

[plucky surge]

don't, at least for now

you'll be needing it later and it's much harder to get than Titan's Blood

[tulip surge]

Oh I see

I'm not in a rush for titan blood anyway

thank you

[plucky surge]

and you can trade Ambrosia for TB anytime, while you can only trade TB for Ambrosia once a couple of runs when you get te exclusive offer

[tulip surge]

I was really happy when Orpheus ||started singing||

[tulip surge]

Yeah I saw one of them was limited time

[plucky surge]

||You're guaranteed a total of 2 Titan's Blood per run if you finish it with a new heat level and weapon or even 3 if you get enough spare gold, but you can only get 1 Ambrosia per run||

[somber frigate]

There’s always one limited time offer taken from a pool of them

[somber frigate]

Yeah but you don’t get enough titans blood for everyone from just doing runs

You make enough ambrosia for everyone if you complete all your bounties iirc

You need excess titan blood from other source to max out all your aspects

[tulip surge]

|| Btw, I still don't know what the bounty is, is it the titan blood I get when killing Hades? ||

[plucky surge]

||bounties are the boss rewards||

[somber frigate]

Bounties are any boss drops

[tulip surge]

Yeah TB wasn't one of them

[somber frigate]

You can get a titan blood for uber cheap

You just haven’t seen it yet

[tulip surge]

I see, does it mean the reward is plentier? Because I wasn't paying attention

[plucky surge]

Yeah but I'd say to worry about exchaning it for TB after ||at least getting all the companions||

I mean, unless you REALLY want to max out an aspect because you're impatient

[somber frigate]

Oh real

[plucky surge]

||You can only get a reward once per weapon, once per heat level||

[celest flint]

I did this only cause I wanted ||all the hidden ones||

[plucky surge]

respectable

[somber frigate]

Since all the resources are infinitely renewable thru fishing and trading you’re pretty much fine

[grave prawn]

not at all

[tulip surge]

|| Do I get no reward or less when I run with no heat? Because I maxed out the heat ever since I got it ||

[grave prawn]

it's worth every damn point

[plucky surge]

okay I'll give you an example

||Let's say you've beaten Theseus (3rd boss out of 4 bosses) with your sword, on heat level 2 and died in Styx
You've completed 3 out of 4 bounties

Next time you play with sword on heat level 2, you'll only get darkness for bosses up to Theseus, getting regular award for beating Hades

If you switch to either a different weapon or a different heat level, you'll be able to get normal rewards again, until you've completed it

it goes like this with every weapon, up until 20 heat, afterwards you just get darkness||

[celest flint]

||Oh huh I didn't know there was a cap at 20||

[hollow hull]

Yeah

[celest flint]

||prevents you from spamming your favorite weapon forever I guess||

[somber frigate]

It caps at 25 if you’re on hellmode but that’s because you’re forced to start with 5 on hellmod

[plucky surge]

||tl;dr Every boss gives you a reward only once per heat level on a weapon, after beating it with a weapon on a heat level, you'll just get darkness unless you switch something||

[hollow hull]

It’s mostly because you run out of uses for blood and you need darkness for the resource director ranks

[celest flint]

Ah

[plucky surge]

yep

[somber frigate]

The darkness grind is worse than any bounty hunting

[celest flint]

I haven't done any of those, I figured it would start using more rare resources after the first rank

[tulip surge]

Oh now I understand, great explanation, thank you!

[plucky surge]

||the darkness grind is the real 64 heat||

[hollow hull]

I’m almost done btw

[somber frigate]

I’m not because my switch has been 4 hours away for the last 7 months 🫠

[plucky surge]

I'm not because I dont care about these ranks

[hollow hull]

Rough

[plucky surge]

There's no achievement for it, I'm not doing it

[somber frigate]

You need a total of 325k darkness for all the ranks

[hollow hull]

Me neither which is partly why it’s taken me so long

[celest flint]

Holy crap

[hollow hull]

I typically don’t clear attempts

[somber frigate]

I could care less about achievements we don’t get them on switch

[plucky surge]

and additional bounty rewards

[somber frigate]

Negligible amounts

[plucky surge]

A total of :

325,000 Darkness
100 Chthonic Key
50 Nectar
10 Diamond
10 Ambrosia
10 Titan Blood

[somber frigate]

I have like 70 titan blood last I checked and I think that’s the lowest of my additional resources

[hollow hull]

You should have lots of those anyways

[plucky surge]

yeah, just wanted to mention

[somber frigate]

If you get 325k darkness eveything else should be pocket change

[plucky surge]

lmao true

[hollow hull]

I’m probably gonna take out a loan against my mirror for the last rank

[plucky surge]

I mean hey, Routine Inspection is free if you don't have your mirror upgraded

gotta look at the bright side

[hollow hull]

This is true

[somber frigate]

That’s actually how I got my fresh file to 32 heat run

I went “hmm I don’t have enough darkness for this crap, give me RI2”

[hollow hull]

I’ll just need 500 for SD

[somber frigate]

This seems to be a really popular route to take

In my time here

[plucky surge]

it's been funny to me how darkness is the most common yet the most valuable material

[hollow hull]

I already did it once

And then had to reinvest when I realized Zeus heat wasn’t going to get me any darkness

[plucky surge]

I need to finally do a 32 heat run cuz it's really the last achievement I need

[celest flint]

I realize people get confused but is this really the only way

[plucky surge]

I mean, it is annoying but some people really want to play Hades 2 only when the full realease comes out

and will scream at you if you mention anything Hades 2 related

Had this happen to me once

[somber frigate]

It was more really annoying when Hades 2 first went out for prerelease

Cuz EVERYBODY AND THEIR MOTHER ended up here

I’ve seen at least 10 people ask a question and then immediately revoke it and move under realisation

And I know it’s going to happen again when the Hades 2 release happens

[plucky surge]

I really hope they won't be making Hades 3

[celest flint]

Release, you mean?

[somber frigate]

Yeah

[celest flint]

Yeah makes sense

[hard sparrow]

is Freezing Vortex affected by Area's unique vortex special boons?

[plucky surge]

yes iirc

[somber frigate]

Yes

[hard sparrow]

BUT Curse of Drowning isnt

is affected by Posidons instead?

[somber frigate]

Curse of drowning isn’t based off slicing shot

[hard sparrow]

I see

[plucky surge]

CoD completely changes your cast, while FV just makes it smaller and apply Chill

[somber frigate]

No it’s more like CoD was never a vortex

[plucky surge]

tomato tomato

[somber frigate]

it was never blades to be benefited by blade boons

[plucky surge]

yeahh

tho CoD with all tier 2 Ares boons could be busted ngl

[somber frigate]

it would still be CoD in the end

[plucky surge]

Idk had it only like 2 times

[somber frigate]

It would also work differently than you think it would

Those boons tool tips aren’t 100% accurate

[plucky surge]

ares Cast is just underwhelming as hell

[somber frigate]

Ares cast is fine with hunting blades

Otherwise mid

[celest flint]

I like it with yeah hunting blades

[plucky surge]

cough cough Bad News cough cough

[somber frigate]

Hunting blades is actually stellar

[celest flint]

Had some runs with hunting blades as my main damage dealer

[plucky surge]

Idk I've never really liked Ares boons in general

I'll do a doom build once in a while but vortexed aren't my cup of tea

[somber frigate]

The thing with the good ares builds

Is they’re incredibly specific

There are 2

And they need all their components

[plucky surge]

Yeahhh that's mostly why

[somber frigate]

Maybe 3 if you count Hangover

There’s Merciful End, Hunting Blades, and that’s it

[plucky surge]

if you don't get specific boons which you can't guarantee, you're screwed

[somber frigate]

And while every melee weapon uses ME, it’s not exactly the easiest thing to come across

[celest flint]

Remind me what merciful end is?

[somber frigate]

You can though

[celest flint]

Or is there a bot for boon lookup

[plucky surge]

Athena Ares

[celest flint]

Ah

[somber frigate]

Athena / Ares causes any doom effects on enemies to immediately drop if they’re hit by an attack that can deflect

it’s only obtainable with Ares and Athena on strike/special or vice versa, no other ares /athena boons will allow you to find it

[celest flint]

Oh interesting

[plucky surge]

It's 2 am here, I may not say the smartest things rn

[celest flint]

But you can use it with dash too right?

[somber frigate]

it’s because it would be too strong if you could hit Merciful End off just Ares Strike and Divine Dash

You can use it with the dash, the dash just won’t help you find it

Aside from filling a core

[celest flint]

Right

[plucky surge]

You can use it with anything that deflects and applies doom but you need these two to get it

[plucky surge]

yep

you can even sell the special afterwards lmao

arguably special is imo the worst slot for Athena

[celest flint]

I feel like (non rama) bow Athena special is alright

[plucky surge]

oh yeah that one is fine

except for Chiron maybe

but I'm talking in general, over all weapons

[celest flint]

Yeah true

[plucky surge]

okay maybe Cast is

but special is on the second place

tho if you're not going for a specific duo boon, why would you bother taking anything other than dash or call

[somber frigate]

What?

She has really good +% for special

It’s not aphrodite

But it’s virtually the second best raw damage option

[plucky surge]

I mean yeah, but if you're only looking at the % then why won't you just force Aphro

[somber frigate]

But on the weapons that run ME they nearly all appreciate the +%

Sword, demeter fists

zeus

[celest flint]

What's ME in this context

[somber frigate]

Merciful End

[plucky surge]

besides what I meant is that her special is worst in terms of actually using deflect, not damage

[celest flint]

Oh

[somber frigate]

Oh

I suppose

[plucky surge]

Like yuh, I love her damage but in terms of actually deflecting the only good special you can put it on is Coronacht's

[slender valley]

Def

[plucky surge]

btw what's the worst duo boon in your opinion?

[somber frigate]

zeus

Zeus shield is right there

So is sword special

[plucky surge]

Zeus and who

[somber frigate]

Aspect of Zeus with athena special is a good deflector

[plucky surge]

ohhh

[somber frigate]

and so is default sword special

[plucky surge]

I thought you were responding to my other message

[celest flint]

Aspect of Zeus hasn't quite clicked for me

[plucky surge]

But yeah, forgot about Zeus

it's still 3/24 aspects tho

[somber frigate]

It has a higher skill floor if you’re not mindlessly throwing it

[somber frigate]

Wdym?

[plucky surge]

in terms of special's deflecting abilities

[somber frigate]

It’s literally 4/24 if you count the 3 default swords and zeu

[plucky surge]

zag bow, hera and zeus

[somber frigate]

oh I guess zag bow and Hera bring it up to 6/24

Lucifer is also right there

7/24 and I wouldn’t put it any farther then that

[plucky surge]

I wouldn't count swords in

[somber frigate]

Why

[plucky surge]

tho you're right about Luci

[celest flint]

Out of curiosity is there anything that determines if ||2 or 3 furies show up||

[somber frigate]

The swords literally use their special in their dps rotation and it’s a massive area

It’s a fire deflector

[somber frigate]

Rng

Pure rng

[plucky surge]

maaaybeee I dunno

It's too late

for me to argue

[somber frigate]

I do know

[plucky surge]

sorry

didnt know thats a bad word

im just here for poops and giggles rn

[somber frigate]

I don’t even know what the banned words are because I’ve only ever had the bot catch me for sending too many images links at once

[plucky surge]

I mean if you ask me, banning cuss words is kinda stupid

but I won't argue

maybe not stupid but

limiting, I guess?

[celest flint]

I'm assuming damn is allowed since it's in the game right? I'll see in a moment I suppose

Okay thought so

[plucky surge]

I understand banning slurs, but sometimes cuss words are neccesary to express your emotions lmao

maybe not neccessary but you get the point

[somber frigate]

🤔

Idk about that one

I’ve been pretty fine for the last 2 decades

Without

[plucky surge]

if you wake up late, you probably won't be like "oh no, I'm late, what a dummy I am"

[somber frigate]

What an idiot

works better

“Oh no, I’m late, I’m such an idiot”

[plucky surge]

I mean maybe the culture's different here, I live in Poland where cussing is pretty normalized in a way that it's still considered not very nice, but unless you overuse, everyone will understand if you do say it

[somber frigate]

“Great Heavens, I’m behind the times, I must be such a nincompoop”

[celest flint]

I think it's a bit silly on a 13+ platform but I don't mind really

[somber frigate]

It’s pretty normal here in Canada but I’d just rather refeain

[plucky surge]

I respect that

[plucky surge]

I've also seen studies that say it actually helps with stress relief

which sounds fake but also kinda works this way

[celest flint]

This is relative to your standard way of speaking iirc

[plucky surge]

Maybe, didn't really read into it, only saw it mentioned

[celest flint]

So substitutes can get the same effect if you don't swear

[plucky surge]

Makes sense

I still think that cussing unless in a hateful manner towards someone is just a way of showing emotions or emphasizing a part of the sentence and it's kinda silly I get a message deleted for a word that's not even that much of a cuss word from what I know

I'm ofc talking about

like using it once in a while

not about people who put it in every sentence

[celest flint]

That last bit is a cultural thing I'd say

[versed epoch]

safe > sorry

[celest flint]

It's definitely a cuss word in the US, at least where I am

[somber frigate]

There are some normal cuss words that fly under the radar too iirc

[versed epoch]

i bumped into it once here lol, i get that

[plucky surge]

Makes sense, english is my second language and it always seemed like a pretty tame one

the more you know!

[hollow hull]

Try and keep your special close to you and put Zeus or epic Aphrodite on it

And get explosive return

[celest flint]

I'll try that if I get tired of beowulf

[hard sparrow]

Okay so, CoD 100% is mean to be used with Poseidons call

[hollow hull]

Not really I

[hard sparrow]

i got em both and by god it actually feels ok to use.

[hollow hull]

It’s good on fists and melee builds in general

[hard sparrow]

i tried that and it made me want to die inside

[hollow hull]

It’s not great in the first place but melee is where it’s best used

[hard sparrow]

Honestly critical Hadouken with demeter is where melee builds are at

that thing its so goddman silly

The fact than Poseidons call and CoD can be used together is a game changer to me lol

[hollow hull]

Merciful end 🙏

[hard sparrow]

Hadouken merficul end or just general?

[hollow hull]

Just in general

Merciful end is really strong on fists

[hard sparrow]

Ah yeah, thats my least used duo boon

that thing its just too good.

it feels like cheating

[versed epoch]

damn gamer i read CoD as call of duty instead of curse of drowning

[hard sparrow]

Whasts the concensus on Luficer rampind builds?

[hollow hull]

Not that good

Better to do Zeus on attack and Artemis on special

[hard sparrow]

Wait why those two?

[versed epoch]

for lucifer, the attack still does continuous hits like the normal rail would, so Zeus is still good

and the special is high base damage, so Artemis for crit (also helps that Artemis special is pretty okay on scaling too)

[hard sparrow]

ok, its just good stats together

[hollow hull]

Yeah and lightning rod is good

[flint quarry]

This game is fun so far. A lot less complicated than I thought it would be.

I got to the bone hydra and got my butt kicked

[hardy root]

Where do I go to spend titan blood?

[grave prawn]

unlock every weapon and then play another run

you'll get the way to use them after you return to the house

[hardy root]

Ah yea I got it now

Also one more question

In the pinned msgs, how do you read the titan blood spending guide

Why are there letters like F, C etc

[grave prawn]

the letters indicate how strong the aspect is at that level

[hardy root]

Ah ok

Thanks for the help!

[flint quarry]

I’ve unlocked every weapon now. So far I like most of them. The spear feels a little clunky but I still enjoy playing with it

Is there like, a boon compendium I can look at?

[somber frigate]

If you’ve purchased the codex upgrade from the work contractor you can look at all the boons ingame

Although if you’re looking for something with a bit more detail than what’s in-game

https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/

[flint quarry]

No I just realized I have no idea what any of the boons are named because I only pay attention to their effects

Which is fine when you’re playing the game, but awful if you want to actually discuss your build haha

[hard sparrow]

Is elysum erubus worth it

[dusty vault]

Not really

It can summon some of the tankiest enemies that are usually exclusive of super dad

[flint quarry]

I beat the hydra!

Yeah! Thanks Aphrodite for all the weakness

[sterile solar]

Congratz

[outer flint]

The only thing you need to know the names of are duo boons and secondary boons pretty much. For other things you would just say like, 'Zeus attack' or 'Ares dash'

[hard sparrow]

Is Razor Shoals affected by Wave Pounding?

[pure bane]

How do I get Minotaur Rush to work? What am I supposed to look for?

[hard sparrow]

Big Flash of light ontop of your model at the end of the charge

release it at that point, boon +500% damage

[pure bane]

I’ve tried that and it doesn’t work

Do I have to release it specifically when it flashes or anytime after

[hard sparrow]

You got like 4 frames tops after it appears

Naturally it ONLY deals +40% damage, so you can try it on skelly

the upgrade only increases the damage to 500%

the flash is still on the base weapon

[pure bane]

How much damage does a regular bull rush deal

[pure bane]

What does this mean

[hard sparrow]

You can go to the training room and take a closer look to your weapon shield as u charge it

there is a flash of light, the enchant only increases the damage tramatically

[pure bane]

Ah got it

[celest flint]

That really doesn't seem right

I'll check when I get home

The bow does have a power shot oc

[hard sparrow]

yeah

[pure bane]

I’m back at Skelly. I don’t think I’ve ever done a successful bull rush before

I can’t do it

Lol

Oh wait the max is 40

Nvm I’ve been doing it correctly the whole time

[hard sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/congratulations-evangelion-gif-26133217

[tulip surge]

I just escaped without a single death

Shield OP

[somber frigate]

You have 0.2 seconds from when it flashes

to go for the perfect

[sullen wagon]

1st time killing the bone hydra, it felt so good bashing it in with a shield

[split dust]

wait till you beat the next 2 bosses lol it’ll feel amazing

[sullen wagon]

thanks, but its gonna take me another 20 runs to kill the thing again

[sterile solar]

The first kill is the hardest, after that is an open door

[sullen wagon]

i guess, also for the 1st boss, is there a way to know wich sister its gonna be? they just randomly started to change, i think i fought 3 different ones so far

[grave prawn]

1/3 chance every time

[somber frigate]

It’s just Meg at the start until eventually Hades sic’s the other 2 on you, then it’s 100% random

[sullen wagon]

alr thanks

[somber frigate]

Each is equally likely to pop up, no indicator

[sullen wagon]

i think i preffer fighting the one that screams murderer at you

[pure bane]

Tisiphone is the easiest yeah

[hard sparrow]

Okah

Fist of Zagreous build, what to look for and what to get??

[grave prawn]

zeus attack + static discharge

[hard sparrow]

going for rare boons on miror for hermes rerolls?

[somber frigate]

???

That sentence ain’t sentencing dawg

[fringe spear]

Someone down to chill in vc and enjoy some hades?

[hard sparrow]

the option for duo boons or epic boons

[somber frigate]

Oh God’s Pride (more epic boons) is typically used

[hard sparrow]

ruthless reflex good?

[novel swift]

sometimes

but usually no

[hard sparrow]

in plumes build

[hollow hull]

Plume isn’t enough dodge chance to make it worth taking

RR is good on shields and Gilgamesh

[tulip surge]

Hey, I just ||got Persephone home, I that the end? anymore story ahead?||

[outer flint]

there's more

check the fated list of minor prophecies

[tulip surge]

||Are they side quests? What I mean is... would this be the end of the main story?||

[outer flint]

I suppose you could call that hte end of the main

there is still a bunch more to do, like get to know all the characters and stuff like that

[tulip surge]

Yeah that explains it well

Will there be a story gap if I started playing Hades II now?

[outer flint]

no

[tulip surge]

Thanks

[sterile solar]

You can play h2 without playing h1 just fine

[vale knot]

guys, can someone tell me what affinity does axectly?

like if i have high affinity on artemis does it give better boons or higher rarity idk

[outer flint]

no, its for story stuff I suppose

[vale knot]

Damm

[split dust]

theres a lot more you can still do! if you haven’t done the ||party with the Olympians|| i recommend doing that next

you can play hades 2 now yeah but if u wanna learn more abt the family all together its best u keep playing

by the family i just mean those 3* too

[tulip surge]

I see, thanks

[slender valley]

Max the relationships of 6 characters

[grim pendant]

Hey guys what weapon is the best for beat the Hydra from the 2 level

[hollow hull]

try shield or bow

[grim pendant]

Mm oke

[grim pendant]

Aspect of Zeus?

I tried bow but the aimbot thorns hit me most of the time

[hollow hull]

Any

But Zeus is good yeah

[grim pendant]

What type of bless should I use?

[hollow hull]

start with zeus special and look for static discharge

and hangover/doom on attack

[pure bane]

I’ve had the easiest time with gun + Aphrodite’s Heartbreak Strike + Sweet Surrender

The other thing that helped starting out was the bow + Drunken Flourish on the special

The DoTs helped

[somber frigate]

Rail with aphro strike?

Unless it’s hestia that’s like not something I would ever recommend

[pure bane]

yeah lol

Hestia would make it better but you may lose DPS from constant reloading?

[dusty vault]

You gain dps by making it actually good

[somber frigate]

You gain dps by having a single shot do 15 times the damage of a regular shot

[pure bane]

damn I didn’t realize Hestia went that high, just looked at the wiki

[somber frigate]

There’s a reason why it’s the third fastest aspect for unmodded any heat (double checking modded rn)

Hestia’s like 5th or 6th for modded

[hollow hull]

Base rail doesn’t have enough base damage to benefit from a % boost so Zeus, ares, or Dio become a better take on attack

Hestia is the exception

[slender valley]

Ares on rail feels bad because you don’t inflict doom that fast

I prefer Zeus or dio

[rancid aspen]

How does Shattered Shackle work?

[slender valley]

Double damage to cast attack and special

[rancid aspen]

Can I only take boons that don't buff the stuff it mentions?

[slender valley]

Unless you put an Olympian blessing on them

I think chaos and other buffs don’t count

[rancid aspen]

Ok, so it is exactly how it sounds, there's no nuances?

[celest flint]

This is tough

In practice, I mean

[rancid aspen]

Uhm, I'm just making sure because I've played some roguelites and roguelikes and JRPG's that like to ' hide ' details.

😅

[celest flint]

Hades does that sometimes

Not usually though

[rancid aspen]

Also, how do I actually BEAT hades?

I can beat most bosses with 0 or 1 death defiances.

Temple of Styx that stupid poison gets me more than other stuff if I'm on a non ranged build.

[celest flint]

Practice lol

Yeah poison sucks

[rancid aspen]

Like, I've beaten Antares with just Hangover Dash / Lightning Dash

[celest flint]

People recommend the acorn for Hades although maybe not if you're struggling a lot in styx

[rancid aspen]

Thesseus is just go behind him and swing + dash when he calls his Olympian.

[rancid aspen]

I mop up the enemies in Styx, it's the poison itself on fists/sword.

[dusty vault]

Only actual attack/special/cast boons disable it yeah

And the buff is individually tracked

[rancid aspen]

Because that damn poison will box you in sometimes

[dusty vault]

You can take an attack and still have +100% on special/cast

[rancid aspen]

Ok, that's interesting so Shackle tracks and disables attack / special / cast buffs

Thank you

And specifically WHICH one you take

[slender valley]

If you aren’t good with dodging acorn doesn’t help that much

[dusty vault]

Oh I mean the core specifically

To the left of your ui there are 5 slots for attack/special/cast/dash/call

If the boon fills up one of those, shackle disables

[rancid aspen]

For all 3?

[dusty vault]

No that's individual still

[rancid aspen]

Ok

[dusty vault]

Just that stuff like chaos won't disable your shackle buffs

[rancid aspen]

Ok, thank you everyone! I think this answers most of the questions I have so far.

[dusty vault]

Also for poison be sure to pause so you can locate the curing pool

Or if you can tell there's only one enemy left you can kill it to clear poison too

Use your dash iframes well

[rancid aspen]

Yeah, I've mostly had trouble with poison with weapons that lack range.

Also, does Lambent Plume suck? It seems interesting but... not too easy to use?

[somber frigate]

If the attack doesn’t have a core boon, then it gets a +100% buff. Same thing with special, same thing with cast

[rancid aspen]

I mean, I suppose the better you become at dodging the better Lambent Plume gets.

[somber frigate]

You can take chaos boons and other boons, core boons are the only ones that will stop it

Lambent plume sucks for the same reason that Butterfly sucks, you have massive massive opportunity cost

[rancid aspen]

Ok so only the far left boons for cast/special/attack disable it

And it won't buff me for the specific aspect that I chose a core boon for: aka cast/special/attack

But the other 2 will work?

[somber frigate]

Yeah if you have a strike boon you still get the benefits for special and cast

[rancid aspen]

Ok, just making sure I properly understand.

Thank you! 🙂

[somber frigate]

If you take it early you throw away your ability to control your build via god keepsakes, so you throw away your ability to make sure you get good damage to get a meh damage bonus at the end of your run

and if you take it late then you don’t get enough of a bonus to make it worth it

[rancid aspen]

OH ONE LAST QUESTION

What qualifies as ' quickly ' for Lambent Plume?

[somber frigate]

Depends on the room

[rancid aspen]

Is there perhaps a chart or graph detailing that?

[somber frigate]

Not as far as I know

I’m pretty sure it depends on the amount of enemies the game would spawn in the room

Which would explain the lack of a chart

Anyways you can tell how well you’re doing timewise by checking the timer underneath the keepsake that’ll activate in each room

[rancid aspen]

Alright, cool.

When I get more practice in I'll work on Lambent Plume, thank you. 🙂

[somber frigate]

Same place that other keepsakes will keep track of their current number of uses, like where god keepsakes show whether or not they’ve been used, or acorn shows how many hits you have left with it

[celest flint]

Plume is fun

[rancid aspen]

Yeah, I use that area to track Chaos curses

[unborn raptor]

I do gotta say I loved using the Plume and the Butterfly relatively early in learning the game (probably after my first clear but definitely before credits?) as a way to force myself to get better at playing

[flint quarry]

I got well into the third area today

Had a pretty good build going but I messed up pretty badly with my choices

Oh well. There’s always next run

[ocean yacht]

whats the best starting boon for fists?

[celest flint]

dio attack is my fave for fists

zeus attack is good though

[somber frigate]

Dios/zeus/ares strike are all best suited for fists since flat damage gods work best on the fast attack speed and really low base damage weapons

they all have their own builds

Ares build is stronger when it comes together than either zeus or dionysus but also less consistent to find

[ocean yacht]

i just did an attempt with ares special

doom damage is pretty good

[flint quarry]

Dionysus attack is just one of my favorite boons period.

Sure it’s kind of weak on damage, but it stacks so easily you might as well take the extra

[rancid aspen]

Does Ares' boon that gives extra damage on death defiance stack?

[hard sparrow]

Second Wind and poseidon, hw does it work exactly? os to worthless?

[dusty vault]

Poseidon call you mean?

Second wind lasts like 10s so you still have some dodge+ move speed after the call

[hard sparrow]

so you dont get full value, i see, it doesnt affect surf dash speed, right?

[dusty vault]

Afaik that's correct yeah

It only would matter if you have rush delivery

[hard sparrow]

🤔

[dusty vault]

(hermes boon, converts movement speed to dmg)

[somber frigate]

No it doesn’t

[slender valley]

Try ares attack+athena special for the merciful end boon

Get divine dash and once you get the duo you are free to get a different special, cause most deflects will be dash

If you want to utilize special more try dem aspect

[hard sparrow]

question

does Blizzard shot applies poseidons slam boons?

like does it do the wall stuff?

[slender valley]

Does it give knockback?

If so it probably does

[hard sparrow]

idk, im gonna pick it up and report on it

[hard sparrow]

it does but tis weird, it no longer does it when it lands on walls

rather does it when projectile passes through?

[hard sparrow]

Fun fact: Blizzard shot can actually knokc back bosses

[somber frigate]

Every poseidon boon can

Just at a drastically lower level

The only thing that can’t be knocked back is a thwomp

Or whatever they’re called

Those don’t take knockback

[hard sparrow]

I pushed Theseus all the way to the other side of the sage, first time

it was bannanas

Also, Pounding Wave increases the flat damage of the duo boon, was 20 and now tis 26, 26x5

per frame

[grim pendant]

What is God mode?

Like a hardcore difficulty?

[spiral jackal]

No, it's an easier setting to enjoy the story

[dusty vault]

You gain 20% dmg reduction and each time you die it goes up by 2%

Up to a 80% cap

[somber frigate]

I could’ve sworn it was 4%

[dusty vault]

Nah

[outer flint]

that would be hell mode

[flint quarry]

I got walloped by Theseus and the Minotaur. I almost won too.

Sucks

[grim pendant]

Ye me too

I killed minotaur but theseus

I hate shield enemy’s

[outer flint]

fun fact, the piercing shot hammer (and mayb others i can't remember) makes the shots go through shield enemies, including theseus

[grim pendant]

Ty bro I’ll try it

[somber frigate]

This is true with all “piercing” hammers

[outer flint]

I didn't remember if there were other piercing hammers, i mostly use rail

[somber frigate]

piercing wave for sword, piercing volley for bow, piercing fire for rail

Charged Shot (which you referenced) does it despite not being named “Piercing”

[outer flint]

no i meant piercing, i just forget it was 'fire' instead of 'shot'

[steady lark]

its just chill like that

[light trail]

Does anyone have a good build against Hades cuz I’m getting whooped

[steady lark]

#h1-builds-and-combat message

[light trail]

Thxs

[steady lark]

np

[grim pendant]

How to get legendary or dual bless?

Nvm I saw a tutorial

[hard sparrow]

Does Guan Yu sucks or is there a viable build

[somber frigate]

there are viable builds for it

[hard sparrow]

Im extremely bad at spears

only wins with cast buidl

[somber frigate]

honestly the play it well you kind of disregard the spin and go all-in on special

it's also just really rough without blood investment so I'd advise coming back to it when you have to blood to bring it up

[hard sparrow]

i did, was ok early game and even mid game aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand then i tickle dad

[hard sparrow]

full upgrade lol

[somber frigate]

oh bruh

There's a bit more to it than "just go all in on special" but I'm getting distracted as I'm typing this brb

[grim pendant]

Ok man im getting a beef with theseus

😡

[hardy root]

hi guys newbie here, how do i go about spending my first 6 titan blood?

[median sphinx]

#h1-for-new-players message

alternatively go all in on hera

[hardy root]

ty

[hard sparrow]

Is Hades stage 3 over rated?

Cuz honestly it feels i can beat most of the game but most any builds i do cant defeat him due all|| the healing and the blackness||

[steady lark]

do you mean overpowered

and yeah|| the darkness and healing|| kind of suck but its definitely managable

moveset does not change from other phases

just realized these are spoilers

[somber frigate]

If you have this feature of the game unlocked you’ve graduated from this channel and also that message should definitely be spoilered

[slender valley]

Bro reacted to the message and didn’t spoiler mark it 💔 💔

[somber frigate]

My message doesn’t contain any spoilers?

Oh nevermind

[left sigil]

is death defiance or greater reflex a more important first mirror upgrade?

[hollow hull]

death defiance

but GR is probably next most important

[left sigil]

oke doke

[slender valley]

Greater reflex

Cheaper and the iframes can save you in so many scenarios

[royal solar]

is aspect of zeus the best for shield?

[random sage]

Yep, for now anyway (fourth aspect rivals that aspect, but both are meant for 2 separate things)

[frozen brook]

Technically the secret aspect is better, but theyre played way different

Zeus is pretty solid over Zag and Chaos aspects

[solemn vortex]

which one is the best greek god

which gods give you the best boons

[somber frigate]

It depends on your weapon aspect for what builds are good on said weapons

And even then most weapons have multiple builds

[solemn vortex]

i like the shield

but the bow is cool too

[somber frigate]

Yeah

They’re fun

It sounds like you haven’t unlocked aspects yet

[solemn vortex]

i like dashing then immediently 70 damage shot

then dashing again

then repeating

[somber frigate]

dash strikes are very much where it’s at for bow

standing striking is just worse

[solemn vortex]

what god would you recommend

[somber frigate]

for just aspectless bow/zag bow I’d recommend aphrodite on strike because she offers the highest additive damage bonus

And weak is a strong debuff

[solemn vortex]

ok

thank you

[warped junco]

hey all

got the game for an assignment for uni, had to write about a modern interpretation of ancient myth

turns out i might not hate all games with fighting mechanics as much as i thought

[frozen brook]

hope you like it, good luck with your project

[buoyant atlas]

how can I get all the hearts for the chaos? I gave him six bottles and then it locked

[dusty vault]

Talk with them and nyx until they start mentioning wanting to reunite

After a while Nyx will give you a work order, buy it then talk some more

[buoyant atlas]

thx

[grim pendant]

What is best aspect for bow?

Of the 3 starters

[dusty vault]

Hera/zag

Zag is easier to use I'd say and cheaper to max

[frozen brook]

Power shots with Hera aspect loaded with casts is fire tho

[frozen brook]

quick question, whats better:
-deep pockets/golden touch
-privileged status/family favorite

[somber frigate]

Deep pockets and family favourites

Deep Pockets is far more valuable because the early shops offer more for you

Being able to secure gods in your godpool in a tartarus shop is amazing

And you should be using your obols as you get them

So if you’re profitting from golden touch then you’re taking heavy opportunity cost to do so

[frozen brook]

yeah ive always played with DP and family favorite

just wanted to know if those were the most solid options

thx

[celest flint]

hoarding slash moment

[steady lark]

still doesnt make hoarding slash viable

which is funn

y

[median sphinx]

does spamming dash strikes as fast as I can, or timing power shots have a higher damage output?

[dusty vault]

Dash strike Power shots

[celest flint]

i was previously under the impression that dash strikes are only special if its a quick shot that you dont charge up

however this is not the case

[somber frigate]

It’s kind of crazy the sheer amount of ways people come up with the misinterpret bow dash strikes

[outer flint]

real

[celest flint]

Well in our defense the actual way they work isn't intuitive at all

[outer flint]

You dash and then attack, therefore its a dash attack.

[celest flint]

Yeah but why is it faster

[outer flint]

Because its a dash attack, that's one of its properties

I don't understand how thats unintuitive

[hollow hull]

I mean

It doesn’t even have to be intuitive

The game tells you how it works, and it’s up to you to work within the confines of the games mechanics to build your own muscle memory

[somber frigate]

That’s also just how every other weapon’s dash strike works

You dash and hit the strike button while dashing, and every other weapon’s dash strike is quicker than standing strikes

[celest flint]

Normally it feels like your momentum transfers into an attack but not so when you dash then just stand for a second charging

[slender valley]

I thought dash strike had a cooldown where u have to hit immediately after dash

Charging for a dash strike just felt weird at first

[grave prawn]

attacking at any point throughout and a few frames after the end makes it a dash strike

[hollow hull]

yeah and the charge is faster because your momentum transfers into the attack

[royal solar]

aspect of nemesis or aspect of talos

[steady lark]

nemesis

[royal solar]

how to build aspect of nemesis im struggling to kill hades with the sword

[leaden whale]

Artemis I think

Artemis attack atermis dash and for the special I use Athena personally

[royal solar]

is there anyway to get more titan bloods

[leaden whale]

You can buy a random item (diamond or titan blood) before the last boss the diamond is 1000 coin and the titan blood 1200 or you can buy it to the seller in the lounge

And after it's just by playing if you want

You use every weapon and if you finished the game you have an option to win the reward again etc

[dusty vault]

How do I get more blood

• beating the first boss for the first time with a weapon will net you one blood.
• final boss drops another + after that you unlock the best way to farm blood.
  other sources:
  trading for it at the lounge:
• 1 ambrosia for 1 T.blood is always there.
• 15 keys for 1 blood which is super good
• list of minor prophecies.
• Charon may sell one blood for 1200 gold at the last area shop

[dusty vault]

||only 2 phases|| also spoiler your msgs

[frozen brook]

play more runs with more heat

who, i´m a new player what do you mean with that
(sarcasm, please spoiler that or talk in #h1-discussion )

[grim pendant]

I forgor

👍🏻

[grim pendant]

What aspects are good for every weapon of the fisrt 3? I already have aspect of Zeus and Hera bow

[random sage]

demeter, nemesis, achilles and eris/hestia

i have a bias towards hestia, but there is absolutely an argument to be made with eris, because that boost it gives is global, boosting everything but the things that do not scale

[outer flint]

for this case I think Eris is just better because the buff is more significant than Hestia at low blood. Hestia is good but it needs like 7 blood to be of comparative power to Eris

[random sage]

oh yeah i guess

[slender valley]

For sword is nem

For spear it’s probably Achilles but hades is fun if you get massive spin

Shield is Zeus

[celest flint]

aspect of hades is really fun

[flint quarry]

DANG IT!
I hate Theseus and the Minotaur so much!

[frozen brook]

focus on Asterius first

his pattern usually is hit, hit and then he jumps towards you

for Theseus be aware of his spear, when the crosshair gets red dash in any direction

[flint quarry]

Yeah. I’m just bad at the game

[frozen brook]

both games are really punishing when it comes to the damage you receive

oh damn dude ik you from the Blas server pfffft

[fringe rover]

They are still my least favorite bosses to go up against

[flint quarry]

Yeaaaaaah.

I’m much better at side scrollers lol

[grim pendant]

Nah bro

It happen to me too

But I do 7 runs more and now I beat theseus every time

You can do it

[outer flint]

The first time you beat a boss will always be the hardest

[grim pendant]

Umm so I unlock ||Guan yu|| aspect

Is it good?

[dusty vault]

Yeah but wants lvls on it so the penalty is not as punishing

[grim pendant]

I unlock ||rama bow||

Its better than the others?

[dusty vault]

Pretty good yeah

[frigid sun]

Can someone give me a good build for achilles spear

I beated hades once but I can't do it again

[frozen brook]

Spoil that here

[random sage]

zeus on strike and poesidon on dash, then try and get flurry jab

[random sage]

this too 🍻

[frozen brook]

tbh i just start all my runs with Artemis keepsake, and pick the attack boon

[random sage]

i forgot how most of the build goes, but static discharge is a huge help, and looking for boons such as: breaking wave and razor shoals from poseidon, either of their calls will work with it as well

[random sage]

hell yeah

[frozen brook]

Achilles spear is pretty strong tho

[random sage]

because it boosts casts too, you can do artemis attack and ares cast and get their duo

[flint quarry]

I think my problem is I keep trying to speedrun rooms, which leads to me making stupid mistakes. I just need to survive

[somber frigate]

You still need to maintain your hp even for speedruns

[flint quarry]

But I’m not trying to speedrun, I just want to get past elysiun

[frozen brook]

First rime i did i was playing with the shield

A few more runs to get used to the champions moveset, and the elysium rooms

I still hate those pink butterfly balls, and armored strongbows

[atomic cape]

It's the shields that annoy me

[slender valley]

Waaay better than guan yu

[steady lark]

yes

[slender valley]

It’s true

[steady lark]

it is

[royal solar]

dionysus on special or zeus on special for aspect of zeus

[steady lark]

zeus

dio is like 2nd worst

[royal solar]

how do i build chiron bow?

[steady lark]

dio arty or pos spec, and then go for dio duos, heart rend, lightning storm respectively

take the hammers that give more spec arrows/more dmg per spec hit

[somber frigate]

Gotta say this is the first I’ve heard of a sea storm chiron build

[steady lark]

it what i always go for

high roll but very worth

[somber frigate]

Sea storm still suffers from the itc thou

[steady lark]

its cool because it works without the duo too

epic pos spec and shoals clears

[somber frigate]

I guess? I figure I’d just get pissed at enemies leaving range

[steady lark]

they die

getting shoals early is key

u can use spec without locking an enemy and stuff like numbskulls die

[royal solar]

what about talos

[frozen brook]

Demeter aspect is way better by far

but you need to invest atleast one or 2 titans blood for it to be usable, until maxed out

[somber frigate]

What

You only need like one level in demeter for it to be best ngl

[somber frigate]

Talos works best with like a lightning phalanx esque build where you’d run lightning strike, phalanx shot and be aiming for their duo

[royal solar]

do i need to pick a specific boon for splitting bolt or is it just a rare chance to get it?

[frozen brook]

besides being legendary you need storm lightning, high voltage or double strike

any of em

[royal solar]

i only need to get one of those 3?

[frozen brook]

any, yes

[royal solar]

alr thanks

[frozen brook]

also you can check required boons to get higher tier boons in your codex

just go to the desired olympian

[royal solar]

dionysus or zeus for aspect of zeus?

[frozen brook]

and if you want it for the prophecy try god´s legacy in the mirror

[frozen brook]

for the special?

[grave prawn]

zeus and aphro, but aphro special needs high rarity to be good so zeus is more consistent

[royal solar]

achilles spear or demeter fist in terms of speedrunning

[somber frigate]

Achilles Spear

[slender valley]

The asterisk is these 3 also have Zeus prerequisites

[leaden whale]

Do I need hades 1 in order to understand hades 2?

[somber frigate]

Nope

[frozen brook]

from a sequel perspective, yes
from a game perspective, nah
stuff is pretty self explanatory and you can google whats up with the H1 characters

[somber frigate]

I would recommend playing Hades 1 first

Whoops

[frozen brook]

H2 is still in EA phase so dont rush it, i suggest playing the first game too

[somber frigate]

Especially given H1 is the final package and H2 is just in early access

[frozen brook]

also its funny to see and play the changes between both games

[somber frigate]

H1 is polished and complete so you might as well knock it out before H2 is fully released

[leaden whale]

Will do that

[drifting acorn]

i need more resources. luckily i am a NEET.

[fervent matrix]

Hello

[slender valley]

Hades 2 is a better experience with context, and you can play hades 1 while waiting for 1.0 hades 2

[leaden whale]

I have both now but I find hades 1 to be alot more challenging ngl

[slender valley]

That the main thing I noticed

||fear is way easier than heat||

[steady lark]

ngl i feel its the other way around

after 300hours i still lose base difficulty runs am i just bad then

[hollow hull]

Same

[grave prawn]

h2 is more complex but once you commit to learning the gimmicks it's easier than h1

there's already been no damage ||max fear|| runs completed

[celest flint]

@pearl prawn every character will give you a keepsake when you give them the first nectar, so you should do that first

[pearl prawn]

Ive gotten a few so far

I just don’t know how useful they are

[celest flint]

so you're wanting to know who has the best keepsakes?

[pearl prawn]

Is that all they give you??

[celest flint]

for the first nectar, yes

only some characters have more rewards when you max out their hearts

[pearl prawn]

Usually I just get a heart symbol the second time-

Ohhhhh

Nice nice

Then yeah who should I invest in?

[celest flint]

People with mechanical impact:
||Thanatos, Dusa, Megaera, Skelly, Sisyphus, Achilles||
People who help you get the final ending:
||the olympian gods- you need 6/9 of them maxed iirc||
People who unlock prophecies, which have minor rewards:
||Nyx, Sisyphus, Achilles, Patroclus, Skelly, Dusa, Chaos, Poseidon, Ares, Hermes||

[pearl prawn]

:0000 ouuuu okay okay this is super helpfulll

Yes oki ty ty ty

[rancid aspen]

Does Zeus' boon that gives Jolted apply to Chain Lightning AND Lightning?

[dusty vault]

Yes

[rancid aspen]

Ok thanks! I was worried the game differentiated between lightning & chain lightning because of the wording.

Thanks 🙂

[dusty vault]

Other boons depend on that wording but yeah jolted is both

(double strike is lightning bolts only for example)

[rancid aspen]

What about double lightning bolt strikes?

Ohhh ok

[dusty vault]

Same for high voltage (bigger bolts)

[rancid aspen]

Huh ok

[dusty vault]

Chain lightning only gets storm lightning (chain lightning bounces more)

[rancid aspen]

Thanks again 🙂

[dusty vault]

Have fun

[rancid aspen]

Thanks!

[topaz sluice]

Hey does lasting consequences affect the healing of aspect of Guyan yu

For the spear

[grave prawn]

nope, it bypasses

it's how it can clear ||64 heat||

get the quick spin hammer and you can just heal like crazy

[willow viper]

How much hearts is maxed hearts?

[dusty vault]

Varies by character

[kind idol]

as in people can actually clear 64 , I only heard of one person who did it

[steady lark]

there are multiple

even unmodded unseeded there are multiple

[hollow hull]

it's like 8 or 9

[slender valley]

3 people have done it in vanilla

[kind idol]

vanilla?

[slender valley]

Unmodded unseeded

[kind idol]

oh got it

[plush plover]

just got a boon called "exclsuive access" and just wanted to ask is this considered the most op boon in game lmao

[dusty vault]

Nope

Most boons don't really care that much about rarity

Is great if picked before hermes but that's rare

Especially cuz of the gods needed for it

[somber frigate]

Not by a long shot

[plush plover]

i got this in first encounter so

i feel like thats pretty good lmao

[hollow hull]

Meh, better just to sell it and buy other important stuff

[summer onyx]

It's genuinely crazy that Hades was designed so well that it can be welcoming to beginners but it can also be adjusted to a difficulty where only the true best of best can beat it

that's just sick

[outer flint]

Didn't expect to see a Sasha pfp here

[willow viper]

How does doors work

Does different gods have different chances of encountering them

Or if i gat zeus will it lower my chance of getting zeus next door or boost it?

Or will it not change at all

And do you have a higher chance of encountering materials as opposed to gods

Excluding dark foresight

[dusty vault]

Each god you take a boon from is added to a pool, once you have 4 gods those get locked in and the rest disappear
(In other words, 1 in 8 to see who you want on a door before pool is filled, 1 in 4 once full)

For the blue laurel doors, you get less and less the further in the run

Dunno how it goes without dark foresight but for example Elysium + df gets you like 1-2 blue laurels at most

[willow viper]

Damn with dark foresight I’m pretty sure you get much more than 2

Thanks

[somber frigate]

No

With dark foresight you max out at like 1-2 blue laures for elysium

The rest would be the golden laurels that Dark Foresight boosts the odds of

[willow viper]

Without i meant, Im pretty sure i see a lot of blue laurels unless Ive got it wrong

[willow viper]

Does hermes count as one?

I mean his boons are pretty different

[dusty vault]

Yeah hermes is different

You only see him twice a run (with a 50/50 at the end for 3rd) and doesn't count for the pool

Nor chaos

[willow viper]

Do i have to beat 1 heat to get the reward from 2 heat?

[willow viper]

I only see him twice as in i can only encounter him twice or see his door twice because i see his door a lot

[dusty vault]

Only 2 boons

[hollow hull]

No

If you do 2 twice, you’ll get the rewards for 1 and then those for 2

[dusty vault]

But yeah him and hammers are prioritized a lot if not at max capacity

[willow viper]

It says heat gauge exceeded and only shows the 3 rewards i have gotten from heat 1

[hollow hull]

Oh you have to complete all of the rewards for one heat before unlocking the next one

[willow viper]

Really? I’ve always seen his boons as mediocre at best

[hollow hull]

+dashes and hypersprint+rush delivery are good

[dusty vault]

Prioritized by the game I mean but also his high end stuff are insane

^

Other stuff do be kinda mid

[willow viper]

Damn so i cant just spam the first boss on hight heats on rail and get op aspects

[hollow hull]

Pretty much

But base rail is pretty good

Just put Zeus on attack and look for static discharge

[willow viper]

Hiw much of the achievements is just prophecies

[hollow hull]

A good number I think

[celest flint]

epilogue
first trinket
night and darkness
harsh conditions
dark reflections
end to torment
war god's bloodlust
divided by death
master of arms
musician and muse
slashed benefits
fulfill 15 prophecies
chthonic colleagues

so around 13, depending on how you count

out of 49

[hollow hull]

13 is a pretty bad number nvm

[willow viper]

Why does unexplained bacon say in his guide “Artemis is more crits; Aphrodite is big damage; Athena is big safety”

Does Aphrodite do more damage than other gods?

[outer flint]

she has the highest % bonus' of all the gods

Artemis has low % bonus' but it allows attacks to do a crit