h1-for-new-players

[hollow hull]

The final boss is a spoiler here

[outer flint]

Focus on dodging more than dmg.

[nimble valve]

my bad

[nimble valve]

alrighty thanks

[hollow hull]

All g. You can ask anywhere else

[nimble valve]

ohh also

whats a good hammer

for fists

[sacred chasm]

breaching cross

[nimble valve]

alr

[bronze blade]

is there any way to know where the sneak is goin cuz i hate it with tight deadline

[thin pollen]

Either just somewhere away from you to shoot from a distance, or directly behind you for a sneak attack

[outer flint]

there's enough time from when he telegraphs a strike behind you, too when he actually does it, to dash straight through him

[bronze blade]

i can kill him easilyeven with like arthur but it takes like 50 second

[outer flint]

takes long because your damage is low or becasue you cant find spots to hit him?

i havent used arthur before, i dont want to spend blood on it

[bronze blade]

it has cool builds and like 3 blood isnt that much

[outer flint]

well i dont have 3 blood

i actually have 0 blood

and nothing to buy more blood

[bronze blade]

then you should do a run cuz u get 3 and a half blood

i guess it aint the best weapon but who cares if its best unless you are speedrunner lookin to beat under 6 mins

[outer flint]

ill try it

but i dont have my switch rn so i physically cant do a run (._.)

[regal sleet]

I've had this game for like a year, but I only played it once before today and didn't even get through one run, but I've been playing it a bit more today, and this game might be peak

[outer flint]

wdym by didnt get through one run? like didnt beat a run or quit during the runm

[regal sleet]

i quit during the run (when i started my save today, i instantly died to a boss)

[bronze blade]

for me was like 50ish runs to beat the final boss you quit in first death to a boss is like giving up in hollow knight after u couldnt fin ur way to greenpath

[bronze blade]

actually i forgot this is hades community ignore that lol

[outer flint]

i deleted my save file of hollow knight because i was so lost getting to greenpath

[outer flint]

if you quit the game, nothing happens. the game will only update if you die during a run or beat a run

[bronze blade]

game actually be startin getting fun when you get to the city

[outer flint]

yeah

i got to city and now im trying to beat the soul gu

huy

guy

[steady lark]

best game ive ever played

radiant markoth is killing my soul though

[outer flint]

im still waiting for silksong

cuz i spoiled myself HARD with hollow knight

[steady lark]

ouch

[outer flint]

i got a Fireb0rn video on my feed onetime and then it kept getting recomended

[steady lark]

https://tenor.com/view/gjirlfriend-gif-14457952604098199169

we getting gta 6 before silksong

🙏

[outer flint]

i bet Hades 2 will come out fully before we get another update on silksong

[bronze blade]

probably

i bet there will be a all deaths% before silksong cuz we already did grass%

[sullen flower]

Hey guys, just beaten the final boss on my 25th try and 3rd try, thank you to those who helped me here !

[sullen flower]

Hey so I know this may not be the correct place ('t would be nice to tell me where to go then 😭 ), but I was wondering about the ||heat|| (post final boss stuff) : ||Let's say I complete a run on heat 1 with one modifier, and I get all the bosses loot ; if right after I start a run with same weapon, heat 1, but another modifier, did I still get the loot, or is it changed to obsidians ?||

[bronze blade]

you need to do the heat you compleded+1 heat to get rewards

[sour storm]

The pact of punishment previews what you get. There's either a question mark (I believe), which means you get the appropriate bounty per biome. Or there is the bounty with a checkmark, in which case you get darkness

[sullen flower]

so changing modifier don't change anything if it's same heat 👍 ty !

[sullen flower]

ooooh okay didn't saw that, tysm

(oh and am I on the wrong channel for this ?)

[outer flint]

kinda?

[sullen flower]

builds and combat then ?

[outer flint]

idk honestly

[outer flint]

all the H1 channels got replaced with h2

so mayb h1 discussion? your kinda in the middle ground between new player and beating the prologue

[bronze blade]

yes

[sullen flower]

ok i'll go there then, thank you !

[bronze blade]

no

[steady island]

i just read the description of this channel and it mentions the "pesky hydra" but like... is that a joke? the bone hydra is by far one of the easiest rooms in the game for me and it's the only boss I've never died to or even struggled with

[hollow hull]

Some people have trouble with the hydra and it becomes more difficult when you increase ||the difficultly with heat||

[bronze blade]

Bone hydra can be probably the most problematic boss because its chaotic with the 2 invulnerable phases and with other bosses you are usually done fast if you have a decent damage build, with hydra dodgin is a thing too

[final dune]

not really

[bronze blade]

i dunno in my opinion thats about it

[final dune]

lernie has the least relative health compared to the strength of build you should have of all the bosses

its probably just cause new players arent used to the adds

[bronze blade]

wrong emoji

yea i guess thats true adds kinda suck

hydra alone is the easiest boss tho

[outer flint]

Sometimes i just ignore the ads

[final dune]

in lernie u cant

[tidal condor]

Pretty sure every boss is difficult for very new players, and that’s who this channel is aimed at

[outer flint]

Yeah, its just weird that hydra is specifically mentioned

Since hes the easuest

[tidal condor]

Eh

I wouldn’t read that much into who they chose to shout out

[outer flint]

Ig

[steady lark]

because its really cool

and in the trailer too iirc

[steady island]

You can finish other bosses fast? Hydra is literally the fastest boss for me by a long shot

[tidal condor]

Hydra is a slowwww boss fight

[outer flint]

Hydra has invulnerability spots where you cant dps through it

[steady island]

Hydra is done in like 1-2 minutes

[outer flint]

Slows it down a lot

[tidal condor]

2 phase bubbles, 2 sets of adds that spawn in (slowly)

[steady island]

The others are like 75% or more dodging

[dusty vault]

Heroes at a peak build can be rushed in like 4 seconds igt

[steady lark]

damn how do u survive for 2 whole mins

[dusty vault]

Hydra's best is like 19-20 seconds?

[steady island]

How do you fight spear guy and the minotaur?

[steady lark]

19.xx iirc

[steady island]

That's at least a 10 minute boss fight

[outer flint]

Bro

[dusty vault]

I'm concerned about your builds

[steady lark]

i have a feeling ur making the game harder for youself than you should be

[outer flint]

Do u use noodles to attack your enemies???

[steady island]

Is there something I just am not understanding about how to avoid attacks? If I try to dps them they murder me in literally 2 seconds. It's entirely kiting

[sweet brook]

i think it's like a little over 20

[dusty vault]

Anyways wall of text go

Heroes fight.

Start by targeting Asterius (the bull), he's the meat of the fight and dealing with Theseus's half phase is a lot easier once the bull is dead.

-Keep yourself behind pillars while fighting Asterius so Theseus can't poke you with the throws.

-Asterius attacks are easier dodged by dashing through them than away from him, as his attacks push him forward, the leap attack also leaves him vulnerable as he has to turn around every time.

-If you see Asterius kneel, go behind a pillar quickly because as soon as Theseus reaches him, he will throw him towards you.

-When Asterius does his bullrush attack towards you, go to a pillar/wall then at the last second, dash through him so he crashes (if in a panic, Theseus can also be used to stop the attack)

[steady island]

It's 1 hit and then like dodge

[final dune]

no theres a sub20 lernie

think it was bigp

[dusty vault]

Once the bull is dead, how to deal with Theseus

-wait for him to fire off the spear, once he recovers it he takes a few steps back to recover and you can hit him on the retreat.

-the other option is go stand next to him, a white outline will appear indicating his spin attack, dash through him and while he recovers you are free to hit him, this also leaves you at the right distance for him to try the spin attack again, repeat until half health.

-during his phase change you have the biggest opportunity to deal dmg to him as he drops the shield, most gods effects can be dodged by just dashing back and forth through Theseus. (If you have saved a call during the fight, now is your time)

-once the call is over, go back to dodging spear throws/spin attacks until he's dead, just mind the extra AoE from the gods now.

Edit: https://youtu.be/tcPheYu3CZQ this is a video of me fighting them so you can understand more easily what I meant for each attack (and call iframes), this fight was done with fists/no divine dash so even having no range isn't an issue.

[steady island]

??? I kill spear idiot first because the minotaur is easy af

[sweet brook]

that's why you kill bull first

bc he's easy lmao

[final dune]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv6v7JOsU1o||

[bronze blade]

somenoobdying actually copied this to (notepad or smth) cuz everyone is askin it

[sweet brook]

kill bull first to force a 1v1 as fast as possible

[steady island]

If I target minotaur first I just get pelted with spears while spear idiot is off screen

[tidal condor]

If you kill spear idiot first you have to deal with the bull chasing you and the gods chasing you

[dusty vault]

Even here where I took my time baiting attacks to show it took me 3 mins

[sweet brook]

also so you dont have to deal with theseus' god call and dodge the bull

[tidal condor]

Line of sight works wonders here

There are pillars to hide behind

[sweet brook]

there's a target over your head that indicates when it's about to be thrown

[steady island]

Yes but you can't hide behind them if you don't know where he's throwing from

[sweet brook]

and yeah read what @dusty vault said in this wall of text lol

[steady island]

But not from where

[outer flint]

Im starting to wonder how you ever made it to elysium in the first place

[dusty vault]

I actually grab it from reddit cuz discord search kinda sucks

[steady lark]

i just have a copypasta channel

[sweet brook]

if you stand btwn the wall and pillar it'll probably be in the way

[dusty vault]

And I forget to save it somewhere else

[sweet brook]

or just be more aware where theseus is

[tidal condor]

Not really constructive

[steady lark]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1285299908039151637/oiqofCk.png?ex=66e9c451&is=66e872d1&hm=bea76b4365e2a228a8e0900da58596da08b6229beb24e90a9e3cb895a0c5c84f&

[outer flint]

Yeah, i dont know what advice to give at this point

Cuz the wall of text broke it down

[steady island]

Wait the hurling spear is minotaur throwing spear idiot? I thought it was just him running

[tidal condor]

No, that’s a later thing

The spear is purely idiot

After you fight them a lot of times they eventually gain a combo attack

[dusty vault]

2 different attacks

[steady island]

I mean when the entire guy shows up next to you

[dusty vault]

If you see the pink target on you = spear throw

If asterius kneels = yeet the dude

[outer flint]

Basically - get a pillar between you and the spear thrower. Wait for the bull to jump at you and dash through him. Attack him while hes in the animations.

[steady island]

I'll try to fight minotaur first next time but I've only ever won by taking out spear idiot first

[sweet brook]

i mean there's multiple ways to win

[tidal condor]

It might also be a good time to examine your build practices

[dusty vault]

The attack is actually unlocked from the start

[steady island]

Spear idiot: immediately after he throw, he shows you his back and you can just back shot for 5 seconds or so

[sweet brook]

typically speaking one way is better than the other tho lmao

[dusty vault]

Is the shockwave that unlocks later

[tidal condor]

Ah

[sweet brook]

that's every atk he does, the spear throw and the sweep

[dusty vault]

Also yeah this might be a build issue more than anything

[outer flint]

What build do you mainly use @steady island

[steady island]

Mostly zeus on fast attacking weapons

Rail, fists, shield

[outer flint]

Like zeus attack on fists?

[steady island]

Yeah

[dusty vault]

Do you have static discharge on those builds

[steady island]

Is that jolted? Yes

[dusty vault]

Aight you have the basics then

[outer flint]

You shouldnt be struggling to bad with that. Zeus atk + static can carry pretty much

[dusty vault]

Be sure to pom jolted and blah blah

[hollow hull]

Back shots on dad 🗿

[dusty vault]

Also with shield I assume you mean zeus aspect?

[final dune]

shield is not sufficiently supported by zeus attack

[steady island]

Yeah I pom the lightning /chain lightning 1-2 times and jolted 1-2 times

[sweet brook]

jolted wants like 4 poms lmao

[dusty vault]

You want like 5 poms on jolted really

[outer flint]

Just focus on pomming joltwed

[steady island]

? Shield is by far the best with zeus

[sweet brook]

close enough

[outer flint]

Zeus on special with zeus aspect

[dusty vault]

Again do you mean zeus aspect

[outer flint]

Not atk

[final dune]

unless you mean zeus aspect then no

[steady island]

Zeus special for shield

[tidal condor]

If you mean Zeus shield with Zeus special sure

[sweet brook]

aspect of zeus with zeus special, yes
otherwise no

[steady island]

Both

[dusty vault]

Normal shield doesn't want to throw the special at all

[steady island]

My first champions battle win was vanilla shield with zeus special. Was really good but slow

[tidal condor]

Understandably slow

[outer flint]

Normal sheild wants aphro or aries an atk, right? I dont use it that much

[hollow hull]

Slow isn’t really good in this game

[dusty vault]

I see why it took 10 mins

[final dune]

yeah that's not good

[sweet brook]

it's slow bc the damage sucks lol

[dusty vault]

Aphro ideally but more than anything charged shot lol

[steady island]

That one was probably way more. 10 mins is a normal fight with like any weapon

[dusty vault]

[sweet brook]

"normal" is a stretch lmao

[steady island]

Which is aphro

[sweet brook]

aphrodite

[outer flint]

Ah ok. Im going based off fragments of concersations ive see

[steady island]

I try to put weakness on normal attack for shield, but settle for hangover or knock back

[final dune]

normal shield generally is not particularly useful

[tidal condor]

Shield already knocks back

[dusty vault]

Ares can be ok for hidden shield assuming you only want priv status

[steady island]

Really? Ive never seen it do anything

[bronze blade]

normal shield is cool

[outer flint]

Normal, atleast for me is 3 min for champions, cuz i lve barely beaten the game

[bronze blade]

but its mid

[final dune]

shield has very strong knockback

[steady lark]

lowkey annoying

[final dune]

its immensely annoying

[steady island]

With... The normal attack?

[final dune]

yes

[steady island]

I don't think I've ever noticed

[final dune]

well it does

[bronze blade]

you can get that barrier slam thing to push em into barriers and deal insane damage normal encounters

[sweet brook]

the duo "sea storm" procs only from knockback, and the base attack and dash attack on shield procs it, even without any boons

[tidal condor]

There’s even a hammer that removes the knockback

[sweet brook]

also that

[final dune]

if shield attack didnt have knockback id have a sub6 on zeus already

horrendous terrible mechanic

[steady lark]

oh lmao i learn something new everyday

[bronze blade]

shield except beo is annoying but strong because of the knockback

[steady island]

Huh that's useful. So weakness attack, zeus special, tidal dash, then hope for sea storm

[final dune]

don't do that

[sweet brook]

tdash doesnt open sea storm

and also yeah dont do that

[outer flint]

Simple build i use: fists eith zeus atk, static discharge, tidal dash = profit

[sweet brook]

sea storm isn't a good duo, it's more of a cherry on top

[final dune]

i would not particularly recommend fists

[steady island]

Does it not? That's so dumb

[sweet brook]

they removed it bc of balance reasons lmao

[outer flint]

Cuz they bad or cuz it puts you more in danger?

[steady island]

Fists was my first weapon that made it to the final boss. it's pretty good

[final dune]

both

weak weapon and poor range

[sweet brook]

i mean they're fine just use what you want

[tidal condor]

Fists aren’t terrible for low heat clearing as long as you know how to build

[sweet brook]

at this point in the game anyways

[steady island]

Especially for the champions fight. Fists was my easiest win

[outer flint]

For a first run beat anything is fine

[final dune]

sure but if you're struggling then fists is not the greatest idea

[steady lark]

fists just inferior to rail in every way except the stunlock

[final dune]

which is actualyl bad

because jolted can proc while attacking with rail

[outer flint]

I wasnt exactly recommending a build, just saying what i use most often

[steady lark]

cuz no joly

t

[steady island]

I find rail to be harder because of the dumb reload stuff

Had to remap my pet cerberus button so I could put the reload button there

[steady lark]

idk about controller

[outer flint]

Had to remap a lot for rail

The default reload button didnt work for me

[bronze blade]

if you have those side buttons in your mouse use them

[outer flint]

Like it just did nothing

[steady island]

Fists can't jolt?

[final dune]

r is fine

on kbm the default binds are all fine

[bronze blade]

i have dash bloodstone attack and special all in mouse to minimize my keyboard input

[steady island]

I have not once considered m+k for hades. People do that?

[outer flint]

Yes

[bronze blade]

why not

[outer flint]

Easier aiming

[dusty vault]

Most top players are kbm afaik

[steady island]

Because no control stick for movement

[final dune]

well no

most speed players are controller

most ||heat|| players are keyboard

[steady island]

And no camera controls to make up for no control stick

[bronze blade]

dash at mouse location is very useful when you get the hang of it rather than some 45 degree 8 ways dash

[final dune]

no it's not

don't use dash at mouse

[steady lark]

jolt procs when enemies attack and they cant attack if you are stunlocking them

[final dune]

that's really bad

[bronze blade]

nah

[sweet brook]

they "can't" bc the base attack hit-stuns enemies, and jolted only procs if the enemy attacks so it's kinda counterintuitive
rail's attacks dont hit stun so jolted procs much more often and easier

[steady island]

If you're used to league it'll be fine

[outer flint]

Never thought about thay

That

[steady lark]

its very noticable in ely

[sweet brook]

no def not

[steady lark]

chariots take ages to die

its actually annoying

[steady island]

Flaming wheels?

[outer flint]

Im at ||5 heat|| so i havent noticed

[steady island]

They always take ages to die

[sweet brook]

if you want to be stuck dash striking only in 1 direction then dash at cursor is for you

[dusty vault]

Flame wheels just dash through a wall

Ubless you mean beeg chariots

Then it still applies but they don't die

[steady island]

Aren't the big ones called flame wheels

[dusty vault]

Nope

[steady lark]

small ones

[steady island]

Little ones I just hit once with anything

And they vanish

[dusty vault]

I don't even know the big chariots name

[steady island]

Huh I had a charon thing once that prevented flame wheels and I didn't see either chariot that run

I just assumed both were called flame wheels

[final dune]

flame wheels are the small ones

chariots are big

[outer flint]

Any1 wanna go check the codex?

[steady island]

Nemean chariot

[outer flint]

Welp

Ig they are chariots

[steady island]

Yeah TIL

Like obv they look like chariots

[outer flint]

Well yes

[steady island]

But so do the little ones

[dusty vault]

The lil ones do a cute meow at least

[outer flint]

Makes me not want to kill them

[steady island]

anyways is there a way to like make my builds better? like can boons get permanent upgrades later? i haven't given more than 1 nectar to anybody yet but was wondering what it did

[dusty vault]

For most is just relationship with them

[steady lark]

endless flamewheels on gilga is torture

[steady island]

does that affect anything though?

[dusty vault]

6 characters have an extra gift at first ambrosia

[dusty vault]

Just story

[steady island]

got it

[dusty vault]

(big locks in the cabinet)

[steady island]

i'm also missing one character's item (the last one in the list) and don't know who it would be

[dusty vault]

Mirror/decision making mostly

[steady island]

my thought is that it's from ||hades at some point||

[steady island]

are there some mirror things that are better/worse for certain builds? I haven't changed mine since i discovered there were 2 options for each one and undid all my spending to choose the better ones

[dusty vault]

The better ones as in?

[sweet brook]

your mirror is the same for like 99% of builds

there's a mirror guide pinned here

[steady island]

as in like "revive every room" instead of "revive once ever"

[dusty vault]

[steady island]

and the recharging bloodstone cast one

i absolutely hated the stupid bloodstone mechanic

[dusty vault]

Not all green sides are better than the purple ones

[steady lark]

new doesnt mean better

[sweet brook]

use the mirror guide pinned here

[outer flint]

I think you have to clear 10 runs for that to become available

[sweet brook]

it's the top pin lmao

[outer flint]

Revive once every room instead of 3 times throughout the run

Max level, death defiance gives more revives

[dusty vault]

Stubborn works if you are still struggling heavily with normal rooms

[outer flint]

Im not saying its better, but its something to consider

[dusty vault]

Or late game context

[steady island]

i just die if i'm lowere than 30% hp and it's a free heal

[outer flint]

If youre dying only in boss rooms then personally id go with death defiance

[sweet brook]

yeah death defiances are a lot better against bosses

[outer flint]

Yes but that shouldnt be common

[sweet brook]

stubborn is for like dying in every room lmao

stubborn requires you to be better at bosses, normal requires you to be better at normal rooms

[steady island]

stubborn just gives me peace of mind that i can do whatever i want in a room and don't waste anything i would need later if i do die early or to something dumb

[outer flint]

That playstyle could build bad habits

Your hp is important

[dusty vault]

There are a few ways to regen dds and they aren't that expensive

[steady island]

well if i ever stop dying to tisiphone and the champions maybe i'll switch

[outer flint]

Theres an npc in elysium that regens all death defiances

Even if you spend 1 death defiance early. You still have 2 more for a boss fight

[sweet brook]

dying to champions is pretty common before you learn it lmao

death defiances make it easier to learn since you have more health before you actually die to it lmao

[tidal condor]

Already LC4 pilled, based

[steady island]

what is LC4

[tidal condor]

Something that unlocks after you win

Makes it so you ||can’t ever heal from fountains or food items||

[outer flint]

Whyd you spoiler that

[tidal condor]

Using Stubborn Defiance the way you’re talking about is the only real way to heal

Because this is the new players channel?

[outer flint]

Thats not spoilers tho

[final dune]

well really ur not supposed to talk heat at all in the new players channel

[steady island]

it is because it's post-final-boss

[outer flint]

Whatever, my point was just he didnt say anything specifically spoiler

[tidal condor]

Pretty sure they’re okay with talking about heat in general, but I spoilered to be considerate since we’re actively talking to a new player

[outer flint]

It didnt even name the difficulty thu g

It doesnt rly matter tho

Its not something major to story or anything

[steady island]

i don't care about mechanics spoilers

i'd prefer to like know things instead of trial and erroring to learn them

[outer flint]

The biggest tip i think i can give is dodging is more important than dealing dmg

[steady island]

i guess i have to get used to dodging through enemies too

[steady lark]

other way around

[steady island]

i almost always dodge away

[tidal condor]

I think they already took this advice far too much to heart lol

[outer flint]

Isnt it situational?

[tidal condor]

Usually it’s better to dodge into

So you can hit them while they recover

[outer flint]

Yeah thats what i meant

Not run a like away all the time

[tidal condor]

If you dodge away, by the time you get back to them they’re gonna be ready to smack you again usually

[final dune]

no it’s not

this game lets u get hit a lot

deal damage for it

[steady lark]

if you deal enough damage u dont have to dodge much at all until like 40h

[tidal condor]

And as people have probably said before, the best defense in this game is honestly offense

Dead monsters don’t do damage (typically)

[steady island]

i mean i usually dodge away and then wait for their next attack and then after it, i dash in again and deal damage

[outer flint]

Im thinking mostly about bosses. For normal rooms i dont dodge

[tidal condor]

I mean that’s fine from a survival standpoint but as you’re experiencing it makes things take a lot longer

[outer flint]

I usually think about hades in terms of the bosses

[tidal condor]

And the longer you’re alive and they are too, the more chances you have to get hit

[final dune]

the bosses are like 10% of the game

[steady island]

i feel like the bosses are 99% of the deaths though

[tidal condor]

For new players elysium chambers are a huuuuge thing

And for any build that doesn’t take off quickly enough

[steady island]

i've never really struggled with elysium chambers

[outer flint]

But you die from them most of the time, for a person who hasnt beaten a run

[steady island]

it's the temple chambers that i struggle with sometimes

[final dune]

like in styx

[steady island]

the rats

[tidal condor]

Temple chambers are not good for defensive play style

[final dune]

bizarre

[outer flint]

Styx is annoying cuz u cant move

[final dune]

i dont think ive ever died in styx

[steady island]

is styx the rats

[final dune]

at least not more than 5 times

[tidal condor]

The poison pools and darts punish you for not hitstunning and being aggro

[outer flint]

I think me and swimmath have the same play style

[final dune]

its just total brain off

and every room is done in like 4 inputs

[steady island]

what

dude how are you doing so much damage

[tidal condor]

By not being a new player

[steady island]

like what am i missing

[final dune]

use good builds

[tidal condor]

Everyone forgets they were once new to this game

[steady island]

the dps literally doesn't get very high even if i'm using a good build and every attack i have

[outer flint]

And you say im the one not giving constructive criticism

[tidal condor]

To the new player, not the person assuming that everything is easy when starting out

[steady island]

fists are the only time it's actually felt like i could do damage damage

[final dune]

fists are the lowest damage weapon

[outer flint]

I was referring to this

[steady island]

and that's mostly because of chain lightning

[tidal condor]

Right

[outer flint]

Yes

[tidal condor]

Which was because the not new player is saying Styx is easy

And the new player doesn’t understand how to build to do that much damage

[steady island]

styx was easy with the rail

[final dune]

before u can learn how to be decent you have to learn how to not lose

which u do by playing more

so the best thing to do is play more

[tidal condor]

This is true

And build up darkness for the mirror

[outer flint]

Question : how to deal that much dmg.

The answer you gave: by not being a new player

Thats what i meant

[tidal condor]

I understand what you meant

[outer flint]

Ok good

[bronze blade]

zeus shield zeus special is good damage

[outer flint]

Im essentially a new player myself rn

[bronze blade]

its maybe not best build but its a easy build

[steady island]

yeah i'm just not as good at controlling the shield while not dying yet

[tidal condor]

Don’t know what platform you play on but controlling the Zeus aspect shield is never easy if on controller

Which is sad

[bronze blade]

pc and thats fair i didnt play on other platforms

[steady island]

i'm on pc, mostly play on steam deck with steam deck controller or ps4 controller

[bronze blade]

you could use that dionysus boon with free death defiance whih is called after party i believe

[tidal condor]

With keyboard and mouse you can send the shield out a small distance

[final dune]

dionysus does not give out dds

[steady island]

you can do that on controlelr too

[final dune]

after party restores your hp to a threshold after encounters

[steady island]

oh do you mean and like stop it and leave it there?

that's op

[final dune]

most useful for not being pommable

[steady island]

maybe i should switch

[final dune]

no

you cannot do that

[tidal condor]

After party is “like” a free stubborn defiance pop every room

But it’s not another DD

[steady island]

ok so then it's the same on controller. you can hit x again to bring it back no matter where it is

[final dune]

yes\

[tidal condor]

On pc you can absolutely send it out a specific distance and leave it there

[final dune]

no you cannot

[tidal condor]

I’ve literally seen people do it on YouTube runs

[outer flint]

You can, but not a short distance

It has to be the full distance right?

Max travel distance

[final dune]

it will keep moving until it reaches the full distance

[steady island]

i would LOVE to send it out like 2 feet and leave it there and then recall it when i want it back

[final dune]

you cannot make it stop short in an empty space

[tidal condor]

I see

[steady island]

the only way i've found to do that is to knock it against a wall and then it comes back

[final dune]

you can do that sometimes

[tidal condor]

Zeus shield is forbidden arcane knowledge tbh

It’s too hard for my brain

Rail is also kinda tricky on controller

Aiming the special, at least

[steady island]

i literally ignore the rail special

it seems useless

[tidal condor]

Fortunately you can rely on the autoaim to mostly get it right

It’s not entirely useless

[steady island]

it's so slow

[tidal condor]

Eris aspect makes great use of it

And if you get rocket bomb hammer it becomes both a lot stronger and a lot easier to use

[steady island]

i only bought hestia on it so far

[final dune]

rail special is a significant chunk of damage

[tidal condor]

Yep

[final dune]

particularly when augmented by hammers

[tidal condor]

Hestia is… probably not a great beginner rail aspect

[steady island]

but it takes like 3 seconds for it to hit

[final dune]

yeah

so

[tidal condor]

It plays very differently than other weapons

[steady island]

if it's a normal enemy it's already dead by then

[final dune]

its fine

[steady island]

how come?

[tidal condor]

At low blood it’s underwhelming

[final dune]

and because its actually a good aspect its useful

[steady island]

it's like literally the only reason i use the rail

[tidal condor]

It’s an amazing aspect at max blood

Can do crazy stuff with it

[steady island]

i only have like... 2 more bloods

[hollow hull]

It’s good, just one trick it and you can do some really funny stuff with it

[tidal condor]

I recommend unlocking Achilles before you run out of blood

[steady island]

you're gonna have to give me more than just the name. which weapon?

[tidal condor]

Spear

[final dune]

achilles is a peculiar recommendation

[steady island]

i hate the spear. let me look at achilles

[final dune]

very difficult and high apm weapon

[tidal condor]

It’s extremely strong at lv1 compared to other unlocks

[final dune]

for lvl1 just get hera or something

[steady island]

oh achilles is the one that's like "you no longer get back hits"

[final dune]

wat

[steady island]

oh i guess i can use the attack button to retrieve it still

[tidal condor]

Achilles is the one that’s like “now do 50% extra damage for four attacks including casts”

[final dune]

achilles is literally the only aspect in the entire game which you actually use shadow presence for

[tidal condor]

You special, special again to dash to it and get a huge buff

For the next 4 attacks

[steady island]

with the spear i almost exclusively just use the special

[tidal condor]

And can then backstab whatever you dashed behind

[final dune]

that's not a good idea

[steady island]

i don't like the normal attack or the dash attack at all

[tidal condor]

Well I take back my reco if so, but if you learn to use the dash strikes of spear it’s very strong

[steady island]

what build do you put on it? i tried weakness and hangover and zeus and knockback and none of them felt good

[final dune]

well spear is very hammer dependent

its pretty useless without flurry jab

[steady lark]

or serrated

[tidal condor]

Hammers: Flurry jab or serrated (more risky option), Zeus attack

[steady island]

oh i've never seen flurry jab before

[final dune]

serrated is very dubious

[tidal condor]

Serrated works but it’s risky and slower

But it will do the thing

[steady island]

i've seen serrated show up but didn't choose it because i like dash

[tidal condor]

Eventually you’ll want to choose everything at least once, for prophecy lists

[steady island]

and i don't like the dash strike of the spear

[steady island]

yeah it's hard to decide between good build and that

[tidal condor]

You’re gonna want to learn to like dash strikes

To be blunt

[steady island]

dash strikes have only ever felt good on shield and fists

[tidal condor]

Dashing and dash striking are pretty important for every weapon

Standing still to attack is a recipe for disaster

[final dune]

on every single weapon you should always be dash striking always

[tidal condor]

Like they say, ABD

[steady island]

i mean on something like the rail it's literally the same as a normal attack

[tidal condor]

Always be dashstriking

Someone probably says that

[steady island]

i absolutely hate the sword dash strike

and the sword in general tbh

[tidal condor]

If you’re hating dash strikes because they do less damage

[steady island]

the sword one aims really badly

[tidal condor]

That’s probably not a good way to look at it

[tidal condor]

I will give you this

[final dune]

and thats why kbm better

[tidal condor]

For sword, try doing the special and then dash striking twice

[steady island]

the rest of them you can aim in a different direction to where you dashed

[tidal condor]

It makes the dash strikes more controllable

[final dune]

u cant

on controller they are all locked

[steady island]

nope they are not

[tidal condor]

Sword dash strikes get tricky to aim when the regular combo starts slipping in

[steady island]

you can dash, immediately change control stick position and then attack

[final dune]

its just aim assist which changes it

[steady island]

it's a quick maneuver but it works and it's not aim assist

[final dune]

very suspicious tech on par with my terrible talos strategy

[steady island]

also most weapons have a brief window after the dash ends that you can still dash strike in

[steady island]

suspicious? it seems fairly standard tech

[tidal condor]

Sword is hard to love before you get nemesis maxed

And even then, the dash strikes do frustrate

[final dune]

kbm still wins

[steady island]

it just "feels" very much like a controller game to me

[tidal condor]

Just got c1 serrated, time to regret this

Good thing Achilles has an alternative way to dash

[novel swift]

Generally, that tech is considered extremely cursed on any weapon not named beo

[tidal condor]

It’s not great tech because dash strikes are better than standing strikes almost always

[steady island]

so... why is the tech of aiming your dash strike not great then?

[tidal condor]

Just keep playing and try out some of the stuff we’ve been talking about

Well, what you’re describing is empty dashing through the enemy and then attacking

If you’re already dashing through the enemy you could have dash striked them then and there

[steady island]

no that's not what i'm describing

if you're dashing you can attack left/right of your dash as you go by holding the control stick in that direction immediately after dashing

[tidal condor]

If not then I misunderstood you

[steady island]

the sword doesn't have this option though

it just always is the thrust

[tidal condor]

I understand you now

[steady island]

another separate thing you can do is dash and then turn and then dash strike, if you're not dashing through them, but to them

it sounds like aiming the dash strike to the side is significantly easier on k+m though

maybe i'll try k+m some time but i don't even have it installed on my pc atm

[tidal condor]

I believe it’s what vet said, aim assist

Because on spear and rail I notice this often

That I can dash strike in circles around the enemy and i turn to hit them with the dash strikes

You’re correct that sword doesn’t do this

It’s just something to plan around

I think you might benefit from watching some speedruns, not for the overall strategy of run planning but just for the combat tech and approach

[steady island]

it's not though because i can do it without any enemies nearby

what is your input for dash strike?

do you press them like basically same frame?

[tidal condor]

For most weapons I press them together

[steady island]

i delay the attack ever so slightly and change my control stick angle between

like a few frames

you still strike as you dash but you can now aim it

so recap:

• fight the champions better
• switch to 3 revives instead of 1/chamber
• somehow also play more aggressively
• achilles + flurry jab for spear is good, actually
• dash strike often

did i miss anything else we discussed

[hollow hull]

Mouse and joystick is optimal since controller has 360 movement while kbm has more flexibility with attack direction

So at the end of the day it’s an incredibly cursed game

[steady island]

lol isn't every game optimal with mouse+joystick

that's like best of both worlds

[hollow hull]

Not every game

Idk many other games though

[cedar delta]

Controller plus auto aim is great

[tidal condor]

Considering starting with Poseidon for his dash - this works for almost every weapon

With a few poms on tidal dash the damage adds up substantially

[steady island]

yeah i get that sometimes, but i think i like the defelct dash better

what weapons do you guys put hangover on? like it can stack a bunch and there's that boon where weakness can make it stack more, but i find that with most weapons it's just always at 5 while hitting and zeus would just be better

[tidal condor]

You sorta hit it right on the head there

[steady island]

so zeus is just generally better except in niche situations?

[tidal condor]

Dionysus is usually weaker than Zeus in the places you would use either

Hangover does build call gauge faster

[steady island]

i forget to use my call often

i like the charm one though

[tidal condor]

Calls are great for free iframes when you activate

Damage wise Zeus and dio call are probably the best options

[steady island]

i don't particularly like the zeus one because it requires you be right next to the enemy

[final dune]

zeus is the best call in the game

[tidal condor]

It’s really good yeah

[steady island]

what is dio's call?

[final dune]

zeus call but worse

[tidal condor]

Pretty much same as Zeus except instead of lightning it’s splashes of very heavy hangover

It’s strong but you can’t really make it better other than poms

But Zeus has several other boons that make his own call a lot better

In addition to poms

[steady island]

yeah like jolted and double strike

[tidal condor]

Yep

As far as other calls go, Poseidon and ares are notable for being gods awful

Since you can’t do anything during them

[steady island]

speaking of zeus, does splitting bolt just add another lightning strike to every lightning strike automatically? does it drop extra jolted stacks or does jolted not stack?

[tidal condor]

Yes, yes (if the latest one has expired already), no

[steady island]

cool

i've never used calls other than aphrodite, zeus, and idr the last one. maybe athena

[tidal condor]

A properly supported Zeus call can carry a run

At worst it’s still free damage

[steady island]

nobody ever talks about casts either, are there good casts i should be looking at? i kinda like the demeter cast

[dusty vault]

Pos is solid

[steady island]

but other than demeter i don't use cast like ever

[sweet brook]

Dio aid is just as good Zeus, Zeus is just instant damage Dio is damage over time

[tidal condor]

Unless you’re playing an aspect that gets buffs to casts, your main use of a cast should usually just be sticking one in big targets for boiling blood

[dusty vault]

If you aren't doing a cast build just have base for boiling blood or take one to open duos

[tidal condor]

Demeter cast notably doesn’t lodge and doesn’t provide boiling blood

[dusty vault]

Zeus/athena/pos are ok for general purpose

[sweet brook]

Dio has larger range and is commonly used in ||heat|| and is much more preferable than Zeus call

[steady island]

yeah but like neither do most other casts, and the alternative is me not using casts

[tidal condor]

Actually every other cast does except ares

[dusty vault]

And dio

[dusty vault]

Just throw a cast to big enemies with armor and bosses and that's good value already

Tho ig with fists is less value if you aren't using your special

[tidal condor]

This is all assuming you’re using the boiling blood mirror talent (you should use the boiling blood mirror talent)

[steady island]

yeah the other one was useless

it was like slow down right?

[tidal condor]

Yeah

[dusty vault]

Slow and dmg reduction

Pretty sure we have like 2 abyssal users here

But not in this channel

[tidal condor]

If you really super hate having to find the stone afterwards Stygian soul mirror talent isn’t terrible

[dusty vault]

Yeah stygian is fine if not doing cast builds

Also has better hermes odds

[steady island]

is that the recharging one? i definitely prefer that one

[dusty vault]

(it removes 1 boon from his pool)

[tidal condor]

Yes it is

[steady island]

i don't really understand how the "find the stone" one can be better unless maybe it gives more casts?

[tidal condor]

It does in fact

Gives you two more at max rank

[steady island]

i just feel like the recharge is pretty fast

[tidal condor]

It is

[steady island]

unless you need to cast 3 in a row then i think the recharge works better generally

[dusty vault]

Most cast aspects either help the drop time in some way or don't lodge in the 1st place

[tidal condor]

More stones is mainly important for the cast shooter aspects

[sweet brook]

Stygian doesn't get lightning rod lol

[steady island]

don't i want longer drop time though

[tidal condor]

Not if playing a cast build

[steady island]

ig that makes sense

when i use it, i want it to stay and never leave

[tidal condor]

That would be a funny option

[steady island]

yeah, and it could give another use for that "knock the stone out" sword special

like "eh i want to put it on another guy now"

[tidal condor]

Poseidon sword aspect can do some funny stuff

I like playing it but I don’t think most people consider it particularly strong

[dusty vault]

Is the best sword if you don't wanna play sword

[steady lark]

poseidon sword worst aspect in the whole game

[tidal condor]

That seems overly harsh when zagspear exists

At least pos sword has some flexibility

[steady lark]

zagspear is op

did u just consider zagspear as one of the worst aspects

[tidal condor]

Ye

I’d do it again too

[steady lark]

💀

[final dune]

zagspear is nowhere near the bottom

theres literalyl chiron

and gilga

[tidal condor]

Idk, zagspear is still a spear so It Works, but as someone who never sees exploding launcher ever, zagspear just doesn’t stand out

[steady lark]

flurry jav

b

[tidal condor]

That’s part of being A Spear

[steady lark]

and

that doesnt make it bad

[steady island]

Finally got my first clear! surprisingly with a demeter attack fists build... Is that good? It didn't sound it and I got stuck with it after no zeus or dio attack were available... but it was kinda good.. And extremely aggressively spamming dash+attack just worked on... everything
Does it save the builds you cleared with somewhere?

[steady lark]

you get that later

can always screenshot victory screen

[tidal condor]

It does save them, in a room you’ll visit in a flashback and eventually be able to unlock

Demeter attack on fists isn’t exactly optimal but it can work, as you saw

[dusty vault]

Gg

[tidal condor]

And yes, aggro dash striking is simply The Way for most aspects

It works, and with the right build choices it works even better

[sullen bluff]

Anyone got a fun build to run at h10 I'm tired of merciful end

[dusty vault]

I'm assuming fists?

[sullen bluff]

Any weapon

[dusty vault]

Actually why did I ask
https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide post be upon you

[sullen bluff]

Ty

[steady island]

how long does an attempt usually take you guys from start to finish? for me it's around an hour but not sure if that's like really slow or not

[final dune]

i mean it strongly depends on how experienced you are

when ur new it can be like an hour

and then you can get it down to like under 12 minutes

[steady island]

that's so fast

[final dune]

its not too bad

[steady island]

i don't even understand how you would go 5 times faster

maybe i should watch a speedrun

[final dune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En4P8C-cAbI heres my run under 12 min

but theres plenty of them around

[steady island]

how did you get the hammer to have 1 choice that you seem to have wanted?

[final dune]

speedrun modpack

[steady island]

ah, did you choose all of the boons ahead of time then?

[final dune]

no

speedrun modpack removes a few instances of rng that make the game totally unplayable otherwise

[steady island]

was hoping to find out how you do the ninja room but you ||summoned meg i think? i don't have that yet but i saw that the "pet cerberus" button was labeled "summon"||

[final dune]

for instance for the hammer

that hammer is 100% totally necessary for any good times

and you have a 3/13 chance of getting it

so you can either get it every time with the modpack or spend 30-60 minutes wasting your life away unmodded

[steady island]

like that specific bull rush thing?

[final dune]

yes

[steady island]

noticing how much faster kbm is for menuing as well

[final dune]

not that much faster

[steady island]

you're like clicking things before the selector even shows up on controller

oh another question i have, about eurycide. i'm at the point where ||orpheus gives her name and zagreus is like "oh hey i know that person" but i've done like 10 runs since that now and she hasn't shown up once. is this normal?||

[final dune]

just random

[steady island]

i used to get her on every single run before this

[final dune]

also random

[steady island]

guess i have really odd luck then

was wondering if there was something story-related that changes it

[final dune]

nope

[tidal condor]

Story rooms showing up or not is random

Midshop as well

[final dune]

well midshop has certain requirements

midshop can only show up on the exit of rooms with multiple exits

it can't be on the doors of chaos gates

it only appears in certain parts of the biome

it can't show up out of midbosses

it can't show up out of ely fountain

and also some rooms still dont count cause the game is evil

[steady island]

dude that bull rush attack is insane. also you ||summon|| to just clear all of the normal rooms i often take big damage in. when does that unlock?

[final dune]

you have to get your relationships up

https://breezewiki.pussthecat.org/hades/wiki/Companions

[steady island]

ooooh i haven't done anything beyond 1 nectar

because very early on, i gave cerberus 2 extras and he didn't do anything so i reset it and gave them to 2 different people

[frigid matrix]

I love sisyphus companion as it gives coins health darkness in addition to a decent blast of damage, not as strong as another companion, but super useful in building up a run and getting a little extra darkness

[final dune]

sisyphus is not particularly good

meg is the only actually good one

[steady island]

is thanatos not good?

[final dune]

no

[frigid matrix]

meg does more damage

[steady island]

not according to the thing you sent

[final dune]

than does more damage than meg

[steady island]

it says meg 2500 thanatos 3500

[final dune]

but it takes ages to drop

meg is very quick

and has consistent lineups for every miniboss

[steady island]

oh does thanatos do the stupid purple circle thing

[frigid matrix]

meg does more damage than sisyphus is what I meant to say, but I like all the other things bouldy does

[final dune]

if you want to see more runs just look here https://www.speedrun.com/hades

my account is the same there

[steady island]

what's the point of increasing your relationship with the characters that don't give summons?

[frigid matrix]

i'm talking about casual runs, I have no care in speed running

[frigid matrix]

story

[final dune]

story and stuff

[steady island]

well now i wish the game told me this stuff

it's gonna take like 30 more runs to get meg

should i just reset? like this doesn't even feel worth it anymore

meg never ever shows up but she did a LOT earlier

[final dune]

?

just keep playing

[frigid matrix]

why are you interested in resetting your account?

[steady island]

meg

[frigid matrix]

she'll come eventually?

[steady island]

i haven't seen meg since her sisters took over the boss

[final dune]

the sisters are evenly distributed

[steady island]

i would like to believe that but it's been like 90% tis and 10% the other one for me

[frigid matrix]

you talk to meg in the house, not in the boss room, her appearance in the house doesn't really change much after you get past a few initial story beats, it's just rng

[steady island]

quite sure she only shows up in the house after you fight her

[frigid matrix]

I'm pretty sure that is false

[steady island]

She will be found drinking in the House's lounge, but only after a run in which she was defeated; -https://breezewiki.pussthecat.org/hades/wiki/Megaera

is that not true?

[final dune]

the game will try to balance the sisters you get

[frigid matrix]

it includes times you beat her sister... are you running at least extreme measure one, she'll assist her sisters in a fight also.

i think you actually need to get to asphodel

[steady island]

i don't know what that means. i just did my first clear and haven't done more

[frigid matrix]

companions take many many clears

[steady island]

then why does she not show up in the house for me ever?

[final dune]

well to some degree its gonna be random

[frigid matrix]

i don't think you understand that this game takes hundreds of clears to unlock everything

[steady island]

i don't care about "everything" right now, just some of the useful things that help get more clears

[final dune]

well right now the most useful thing is getting better

[frigid matrix]

play more

resetting will give you zero benefit

[final dune]

the best players can clear the game on the very first run with no unlocks in under 20 minutes

the most important factor is ur experience

[frigid matrix]

is swimmath trying to have early clear save file or something?

[bronze blade]

take a break from hades and ul get bored and go back

[steady island]

i feel like you guys aren't understanding what i see as a benefit to resetting

meg shows up a lot early on

[frigid matrix]

I just started a new save file, got to Hades on my 3rd attempt and 7th attempt, and cleared on my 9th, and again on my 10th.

[steady island]

had the game told me what relationships did, i would have given her more nectar

[final dune]

that would definitely not be worht it

[bronze blade]

u cant give honey to meg at boss

only in house?

[frigid matrix]

if you just did 3 more runs instead of complain about her not showing up, you would've had more experience, more darkness, and she would've likely shown up at least once

[bronze blade]

thats flex be kind

[steady island]

3 more tis isn't gonna get me more megs

[bronze blade]

i dont get why you want megs

[frigid matrix]

he wants her companion because someone said her companion is good

so he thinks resetting his save file will help him get her faster

[bronze blade]

swimmath you need tons of that god drink thing to actually use the companion

[frigid matrix]

since he doesn't see her often anymore since he sees her sisters more often now

[steady island]

will it not?

[frigid matrix]

it will not

[bronze blade]

and support from companion isnt that useful if you cant do without it

[steady island]

that makes no sense to me

[dusty vault]

You are gonna get all the early game dialogues from meg again

So by the point her nectar/ambrosia dialogues are on the pool you would unlock the other 2 furies anyways

[bronze blade]

for now u can settle for than or something sure meg is good but others aren’t particularly bad

[final dune]

and meg is like max 30 seconds of timesave

[frigid matrix]

you need 10x ambrosia to max out a pet. @steady island Unless you're deep in heat, you can't even have a useful meg

[final dune]

when your runs are an hour long i dont think meg is going to be that crucial

[steady island]

it's not the timesave

it's the "not dying to the wizards"

[final dune]

the witches are not particularly difficult

just practice

you will get much better with more runs

[steady island]

they're definitely the hardest normal room imo

[frigid matrix]

meg will not save you. go for athena's dash, it'll help a lot until you learn the enemy patterns better

Also know you can destroy the witch casts with anything that hits them, so several weapons can nullify their casts pretty easy.

Also shield can block, another thing to learn when you're new

pretty sure almost nobody uses meg on witches ever

i'm also confused, you say you've killed hades but think the witches is the hardest room?

[steady island]

definitely

[frigid matrix]

i don't think I can comprehend

[steady island]

i don't know what room would be harder

i can't think of a single one

[final dune]

most ely rooms

[hollow hull]

Athena kinda trivializes it

[steady island]

ely rooms aren't that difficult

[hollow hull]

[frigid matrix]

athena dash, it's good

[hollow hull]

If you’ve beaten the final boss this is probably a convo for another channel

[frigid matrix]

i mean athena on anything could make that room easy

[frigid matrix]

I just assumed that wasn't important anymore since we were talking about companions and speed runs and modpacks.

if this is spoiler-free still, then we way out of wack

[hollow hull]

Yeah I’m just trying my best idk

[steady island]

i don't think any of this is "end boss onward", is it?

[frigid matrix]

this is more a #h1-builds-and-combat style conversation

[hollow hull]

I guess not but I wanted to mention reasons why elysium is far more difficult than witches

[frigid matrix]

this channel is more like "woah, I just saw a snake or something, and it killed me instantly, what do I do?"

[clear flume]

isn't it kinda weird that chaos has a legendary for +1 death defiance + a curse. But Athena has 2 regular boons that do the same and better. And Chaos has a regular boon for +1 cast, but Artemis' legendary is +2 casts

[final dune]

well the chaos legendary can add an extra dd

athena dd requires having already used one

[clear flume]

ok

artemis call is underrated

[final dune]

no its not

it blows

[cedar delta]

Is pretty bad, yeah. The only thing it really has going for it is piercing

[clear flume]

no, greater call. 1-shots lernie's head and deals a lot of damage

only greater call tho

regular sucks

[final dune]

well you shouldnt use greater calls

[clear flume]

why?

[final dune]

takes way too long to charge

[clear flume]

they're cracked

[tidal condor]

They take too long to charge

[clear flume]

whatever

[cedar delta]

Huuuuge opportunity costs over using Zeus or Dio's calls

[tidal condor]

Small Zeus call is busted

[hollow hull]

Arty call is only useful at max which is why you don’t want to take it

It’s almost always better to have the flexibility of small calls

[sweet brook]

big funny button can be good sometimes but most of the time not as good as a lot of smaller calls from dio/zeus

[frigid matrix]

you saying i'm sleeping on dio call? I've like never used dio call

[steady lark]

yes

[hollow hull]

dio call very strnog

[frigid matrix]

got it, I will have to try it now

[sweet brook]

just spam the small calls, dont do the big ones

[frigid matrix]

so use like zeus?

[sweet brook]

since hangover caps at 5 stacks

yeah

[frigid matrix]

can you get zeus/aphro duo with dio call? is that hype?

[steady lark]

u can get it with any call besides hades call

[sweet brook]

you could yeah

[hollow hull]

it's fine

not as important

[sweet brook]

i wouldn't make it a priority but if it happens it'd be neat lmao

[frigid matrix]

i love smoldering air and billowing strength, but now I can use it on dio, I'm curious, must test this later

[final dune]

well smair with dio call isnt as crucial

dio charges itself to some degree

[frigid matrix]

I'm also thinking dio dash is underrated

[final dune]

nope

its pure garbage

[frigid matrix]

how is call much different?

[sweet brook]

the hangover number is a lot bigger lol

[final dune]

dash starts at 2 damage per hangover

[sweet brook]

lvl 1 dio call is like 18 per stack

[final dune]

and if you have any other hangover dio dash is actively negative

[sweet brook]

and considering each pom gives like 1 damage each (after first or second pom) you'd need like 14-16 poms to match the damage

[frigid matrix]

okay

[sweet brook]

or like less since you'd have more "uptime" but it's still a lot of poms on just the dash to make it usable

[frigid matrix]

the hades 2 sticky bot is kind of obnoxious

[hollow hull]

and that's just for like lvl 1 common call

poms get huge value on dio call

[sweet brook]

hades 2 spoilers are more obnoxious

[sweet brook]

yeah that's true lmao

[frigid matrix]

i'm keeping myself pure, waiting for nintendo switch release

[sweet brook]

yeah that's why stickbot exists lmao

so people dont spoil it here

it used to be pretty bad until they implemented stickybot

[hollow hull]

you can mute it if you want

[frigid matrix]

if I go for dio call, what are the boons and duos I want to go for?

all the hang over stuff?

[steady lark]

nothing

just dio call

[tidal condor]

But since you’re already locked into dio, strong drink is a comfy choice

Just don’t take any other sources of hangover

[steady lark]

strong drink is something you always take

nothing to do with dio call

[tidal condor]

Right

But he’s presumably asking what other dio boons to take

And that’s a good dio boon to take

[steady lark]

there are like 3 things you want from dio ever thats vintage drink and call

[hollow hull]

attack is fine too

[somber frigate]

just grab all the poms in the world for it. Curse of Nausea is like a nice bonus but that’s only if you happen to stumble into ares, same goes for low tolerance, since you’ll really only get 6 stacks of hangover out of a minicall

so low tolerance is less value than it would be otherwise

your main scaling is more poms, and global additive like rush delivery from hermes

[frigid matrix]

I like a lot of dio's duo's, so this let's him in the mix now. I often skip his room because I don't normally want a festive fog or hangover build, and his other boons are meh

[final dune]

well generally we dont wanna just haphazardly open duos

if ur opening duos by taking a boon you should know exactly what ur opening and whether u want it or not and how it may impede ur ability to get other duos

[frigid matrix]

I LOVE DUOS, totally change the feel of some runs

[somber frigate]

Generally speaking you don’t want to just open them willy nilly though

like if you took poseidon’s flood shot on a merciful end build, you’ve now halved the odds of you finding merciful end from athena boons

because Unshakeable mettle could pop up instead

And unshakeable mettle is so much worse, and less crucial to the build, than merciful end

so you don’t want to shoot your odds at good/important duos in the foot by haphazardly opening any duos you can

[frigid matrix]

I open any willy or nilly I want

sounds like what you're saying is be careful what base god boons you take as they can enabled duos that don't help, I know, I understand

[steady lark]

yes

[neon quartz]

guys i'm new to this game and I'm kind of struggling i play with a spear but I have no idea what boon I should pick can someone suggest a recommendation?

[tidal condor]

Zeus attack boon

Lightning Strike

And lots of dash striking

And Poseidon dash if you can

[neon quartz]

the abilities I am getting are rare how can I increase the chances of obtaining epic and heroic abilities?

[tidal condor]

You’ll never directly obtain a heroic boon, only by upgrading

The next to last mirror talent gives up to a 20% extra chance for boons to be epic

Yarn of Ariadne from wells of Charon boosts the rarity of the next boon you find, and the refreshing nectar gift from Eurydice in asphodel does the same thing for the next three boons

And chaos offers a boon that gives you a chance for boons to be higher rarity

[dusty vault]

20*

[tidal condor]

Numbers

[hollow hull]

Or replacing

[tidal condor]

I figured upgrading includes that technically

[frigid matrix]

Also rare crop from Demeter

[tidal condor]

Which upgrades the rarity

[pale bramble]

i havent played in like 2 weeks and i had a pretty ok run

no athena call so that was a huge minus

no attack doom

but i used to always use a death defiance against theseus and his minotaur

would win, but was still mad about using a death defiance

but i actually beat him pretty easily without my health being below half

so thats pretty nice

[tidal condor]

Good job

[pale bramble]

thanks bro

[somber frigate]

You missed exclusive access the most room temp duo in the world

[bronze blade]

that thing aint cool

[opaque agate]

Guys I getting the game also when does aphrodite spawn?

What?

[final dune]

its random

[opaque agate]

Aphrodite is in Hades 1

[steady lark]

dont mind the bot

[opaque agate]

Well

Gulp

[final dune]

although she cant appear on first run

[opaque agate]

My dad wants to see the gameplay

[cedar delta]

Cyborg's first roguelite

[opaque agate]

So that means...

I'll have to sweat so dad can't see aphrodite

[final dune]

its not that big a deal

[cedar delta]

Or maybe it is a big deal

[opaque agate]

He also doesn't care about censored things😭😭😭

[final dune]

just click through quickly if ur actually worried about it

[steady lark]

just skip the dialogue if u have to

[opaque agate]

So next day I'm getting the game

[steady lark]

u can also just avoid her if u can, she has boons with that look like pink hearts