h1-for-new-players

[winter crest]

I'm so happy I finally pushed myself to buy Hades 😭

[winter crest]

Oh another thing, if I use Stygian Soul, do I need any of the Boiling/Abyssal Blood talents?

[outer flint]

Do you mean if you use cast? Its a part of your basic kit. You should upgrade it if you can

[dusty vault]

Your cast still lodges into enemies with stygian

Unless you plan to always take the non-lodging cast, just level up boiling

[verbal oyster]

How do I unlock the aspect of Rama?

Nvm I got the thing

[lethal wharf]

What’s the obsession with ‘merciful end’ here I don’t get it

[cedar delta]

It's extremely strong on the quicker weapons

[tidal condor]

It’s strong

Strong is good

[lethal wharf]

Then again, I haven’t used it yet

[tidal condor]

If you don’t understand how it’s strong that’s a different question entirely

For most weapons you want ares attack and Athena special and dash

[lethal wharf]

Apart from Zeus shield where Zeus special is better right?

[tidal condor]

I’m talking strictly for merciful end

[lethal wharf]

Oh right yeah

Mb

[hollow hull]

ME is meta for Zeus shield lol

For speed atleast

[lethal wharf]

Oh I was told that Zeus special was best

[novel swift]

It’s not bad for speed, it just can’t quite compete with ME

I don’t think Zeus special is the Meta for 64 anymore

[hollow hull]

Not really yeah

Aphro on top

ER is basically jolted level damage and it’s easier to get with one boon and poms

[tidal condor]

I don’t think Cake is asking about 64 heat

[hollow hull]

yeah, that's fair

zeus special is probably good for anything between 32 and 56

and decent, yet not optimal for anyheat

[sweet brook]

Zeus special is the most consistent build bc you don't need to rely on a hammer for good damage

The issue is finding another Zeus boon after the first lmao

And whether or not you hit the 50/50 on that basically for jolted

So your odds are a lot better compared to a hammer I think

Idk the math on that but it's probably right

Esp since you can reroll boons

[hollow hull]

Is this unmodded?

Because relying on a boon in ap2 as opposed to a guaranteed hammer is less reliable

And 30 with 150% additive is the same as 30 with a 45 damage bolt

[sweet brook]

this is the new players channel lmao

i'm assuming like

from a casual stand point

not try hards like us lmao

[hollow hull]

Ig yeah

[wanton mauve]

average new player channel convo

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/835377117616668692.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

[lethal wharf]

The most heat I’ve ever done is 2 💀

[sterile escarp]

someone know how to make the hypnos favor?

[spiral frost]

AFAIK it's just a matter of talking to him and his bro enough

just make sure to look for them in their usual spots inbetween runs

[cold knot]

Are there any good videos that talk about when/why to pick certain chambers? Or about god synergies and whatnot?
I watched a video or two of Haleon doing his over explained runs and that was helpful.

Im a returning player (previously did 32 heat on a few weapons) and just started a new role for Hell mode.
I recently cleared my first time after ~30 attempts.

[steady lark]

i watched those starting out too

[grizzled sandal]

guys is there a free mode in game

[novel swift]

free?

[grizzled sandal]

like u can enter any boss u want

[novel swift]

No

[steady lark]

bro wants hall of gods in hades

[cedar delta]

Lets lock the best ending behind the super duper boss rush

[steady lark]

im still working on that 😩

[hollow hull]

you can play around with your save data and have that if you're on PC

[sterile escarp]

i need gfive 5 nectar to orpheus to make him sing?

[sweet brook]

afaik idk if they exist apart from like speedrun review vods for like boon/room priority, but god synergies def dont exist afaik

there's a build guide pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat that does help with that i belive tho

looking through that could help

my guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies also goes a bit over boon/pom/room priority kinda iirc which could help

has some builds in there but not a lot of explanation compared to the one pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat

[cold knot]

Thanks! Ive glanced over the pinned site in builds and combat and it has been very helpful as a starting point

[cinder python]

how can i clear tartaus?

[leaden whale]

Can you specify where you’re struggling?

[outer flint]

Focus on getting darkness to upgrade the mirror of night

[tidal condor]

Defeat Megaera

[pale bramble]

im using shield whats better, aquarius, or the bow girl

[outer flint]

wat the hell

do you mean poseidon or artemis????

[novel swift]

Arty

[pale bramble]

yeah artemis

i had to pick between the 2

[outer flint]

you could go both ways

imo, poseidon more fun

but artemis might be better at actually finishing a run

[pale bramble]

uhh i went to the shop and i only got 180 coins rn

[pale bramble]

thanks i picked artemis

lightning or wing

[outer flint]

wing = hermes

[pale bramble]

oh ok

oh

i know lightning

[outer flint]

id go with hermes

[pale bramble]

alright cool thanks

[outer flint]

because its different, you only get a few hermes boons per run

like hammers

[pale bramble]

greater evasion, quick recovery, or swift flourish

dodge has never worked for me tbh so im really thinking quick recovery or swift flourish

[outer flint]

those all kinda suck ngl

[pale bramble]

damn

[outer flint]

i forgor what swift flourish does

[pale bramble]

when ur special is faster

and i use my shield special alot, too bad i dont have that one doom 100 damage thing

[outer flint]

id go for that one then

[pale bramble]

alright thanks

[outer flint]

for hermes, you either go for hyper sprint, quick recovery, or attack speed

but quick recovery takes more skill

[dusty vault]

I would've taken evasion

Or recovery if high rarity

[pale bramble]

all of these actually sound really good so i need a bit more help

[pale bramble]

vicious skewer, triple jab, or dash strike

[outer flint]

is that a hammer?

[pale bramble]

yeah

hammer thing

vicious skewer is 50% special damage and 50% crit on recovery

triple jab is attack goes 3 times

[outer flint]

are you still on sheidl?

or spear now

[pale bramble]

nah i switched to spear

[outer flint]

ah ok

what boon do you have on your attack or on your special

[pale bramble]

doom for my special

arrow comes down and i upgraded it to level 2 so it now does 120 dmg

i dont think vicious skewer works with doom right?

[outer flint]

do you use dash strikes a lot? cuz if you do then id go for dash strike

other wise triple jab

[pale bramble]

not really honestly

[outer flint]

ah ok

[pale bramble]

just a special spammer

[outer flint]

the spear hammer arent very good anyway

[pale bramble]

i did kill meg

[outer flint]

W

[pale bramble]

doom lowkey carried me cuz i did not wanna get too close to meg

farthest i got was that one skull boss

almost killed him but then i sold

[tidal condor]

Dash attacks are really good for most weapons

Special spamming is often way too immobile

[pale bramble]

yeah i decided to stop special spamming

i would spam it but use spam attack too

dude that hydra boss is mad annoying

cuz i counter its auto target thing with my spear but those annoying spawns are so just

annoying

the minibosses are impossible i hate them

[sweet brook]

You'll learn all the fights eventually it just takes time to get used to and figure out

[polar finch]

Spear every dash strike is very good and using them often is pretty important for improving your chances

[bronze blade]

is it me or like is extreme measures free heat

[leaden whale]

Well, yes and no. Also there's something you've probably yet to unlock

[bronze blade]

what

[leaden whale]

||em4||

[bronze blade]

i have that unlocked

[leaden whale]

Oh lol

[bronze blade]

i didnt try it yet

too lazy

[leaden whale]

Dew it

[somber frigate]

||Em4|| is not free heat

That one actually just gets worse and worse and worse as you stack up other heats too

[tidal condor]

All heat is free just don’t get hit

[bronze blade]

bro god level knowledge

[somber frigate]

“Just don’t get hit” players when they run into td3 with js3, cp2, dc2, mm, em4

[hollow hull]

Just do it tbh

[pale bramble]

I DID IT

I BEAT THE HYDRA

LETS GOOOO

[bronze blade]

thats a very hard boss bro

good job

[pale bramble]

Its not the boss thats the problem its the minibosses bro and i kept getting those like purple slash things

[pale bramble]

thanks

and i was always unlucky

no athena

[bronze blade]

elysium is a bit more fun

[bronze blade]

did you try using her owl pendant?

[pale bramble]

owl pendant?

[bronze blade]

if you have a honey to spare, give it to athena before accepting her boon

see what she gives you

[pale bramble]

oh ok

[tidal condor]

It’s a good idea to give one nectar to each of the gods (do it before you pick up their boon)

[bronze blade]

yea

nectars pretty expensive tho but youll find it worth it

[tidal condor]

Being entirely at the mercy of rng for your god pool is harsh for success

[bronze blade]

bro how do i open aspect of bingus i didnt get it yet

[pale bramble]

ok

i keep forgetting to give nectars

[tidal condor]

https://tenor.com/view/bingus-silencio-htlr-shh-gif-22299599

[outer flint]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1162869750456651879/1224008177532534824/1219702702662226040.gif

[tidal condor]

Yeah it’s easy to forget especially once you’re used to moving fast

[pale bramble]

after taking a break and playing it now, i thank you so much

i now have divine strike and divine dash

[outer flint]

W

usually i just go for her dash and maybe her call

[pale bramble]

beat thesius and the minotaur second try

lets gooo

actually alot easier than i expected ngl

[tidal condor]

Everything in hades is hard until it isn’t

[bronze blade]

bro thats like basically every game

[bright glen]

anyone here?

[bronze blade]

ya

[bright glen]

finally

[quasi oak]

I still find Theseus extremely annoying

His normal form even more than his EM version

[outer flint]

If u have that unlocked

Why are you in new player channel?

You can just dash through him most of the time

Or around pillars

[quasi oak]

Because I want to?

I don't need a reason to read/write in any channel

[outer flint]

You dont need a reason, but this channel was specifically meant to be for people who havent finished a run yet

So its best to ask that question in #h1-discussion

[sweet brook]

not really it's more meant for people who haven't reached the credits yet

bc there's still a good chunk of spoiler stuff after the first run clear

[quasi oak]

I didn't ask any question tho? I just made a comment

[outer flint]

Where does it say that? I always assumed it meant pre run cleared

[sweet brook]

i mean there's still like story beats that get tossed around in #h1-discussion that would be a spoiler here

[outer flint]

Yeah cuz that channel doesnt have any spoiler limits

Thsi channel does

[steady lark]

thered be nearly no one here if that was the case

[sweet brook]

so that's why it's better for players to stay here until they reach the credits

[steady lark]

i stayed here until epilogue i think

[pale bramble]

DAMNIT I DIED TO FATHER

NOOOOO

i was doing so good

[hollow hull]

Mentioning ||EM|| is a spoiler for this channel since this is for players who haven’t made it to the final boss yet.

[polar finch]

notices comment above you

[pale bramble]

I THINK I BEAT THE RUN

I THINK I DID

||i feel like hes gonna have a second stage bro||

||of course he does||

NOOOOO

HE WAS SO LOW

[little oriole]

What weapon were using?

[outer flint]

Actually me on my first run

I mean first time fighting him

[pale bramble]

The sword

[little oriole]

Same I thought huh this seems almost too easy

[pale bramble]

ikr

[outer flint]

I died to the ring thingy lmao

It still gets me

[pale bramble]

||i thought what sealed the bag was that he wasnt on 0 hp||

damn bro

[outer flint]

Bro i put down my controller to text my friend and then i died

Made me cry

[pale bramble]

the ring things were easy to avoid most of the time but when i get hit by that one like HUGE attack

bro the only thing keeping me alive was that one thing that without death defiance i'd heal 1 hp every like 0.8 seconds

[little oriole]

||Ah yes the laser show?||

[pale bramble]

yes

i learned how to avoid it

||saw the rocks and then just immediately realized that i should hide behind there||

oh well imma play this tommorrow cuz i cant handle raging to him without that one boon

after i died with it i realized it was on my skill issue for not hiding longer for the hp to regen

[outer flint]

I didnt even realize there were rocks for a while. I just blocked with my sheild lol

[pale bramble]

lol thats actually kinda crazy 😭

i havent seen a shield user tbh

used shield when i was special spamming with doom 😭

then i died to hydra alot cuz special spamming does not work

[outer flint]

Its one of the best weapons lmak

Lmao

[pale bramble]

oh damn

[outer flint]

My current fav are fists, sheild, and spear

[pale bramble]

my favs are sword and spear fs

[outer flint]

What aspect do you use on sword?

Cuz personally i use nemesis

[pale bramble]

i feel so slow asking this but whats an aspect? i pay attention to the dialogue but not really the gameplay as much or the names

i just click what i click the most

[novel swift]

Do you have all the weapons unlocked

[pale bramble]

i didnt buy the gun thing yet

[outer flint]

Aw duck

[novel swift]

You unlock aspects after you get all weapons unlocked

[pale bramble]

ohhh

imma buy it rn then

never felt like buying it since i wasnt gonna use it

[outer flint]

Impresive you made it that far w/o them

[pale bramble]

lol i was about to beat the game without knowing it existing 😭

[outer flint]

I couldnt get past elesium eithout them

[pale bramble]

oh wow

[outer flint]

You might have to do a run after buying the last weapoan

[pale bramble]

oh ok

i remember buying it before i didnt use it though

then it just went back to being 8 keys

[outer flint]

You might not have saved

[pale bramble]

probably

[outer flint]

If u buy it and start a run, then kill yourself it should count

[pale bramble]

yeah i did

[outer flint]

Did anything change?

I havent started a new file in a while, i just remember it showing up randomly

[pale bramble]

oh yeah

[outer flint]

Is a weapon have an aura on it?

Does*

[pale bramble]

yeah the sword i now can use those blood things

i was so confused with what they did

im using it on nemesis

[outer flint]

Bice

Nice

Thats my go too for sword aswell

[pale bramble]

oh wow cool

i have 21 escape attempts and have not beaten the final boss is this ok cuz i need to know

[cedar delta]

Yes

[outer flint]

Bro ur doing so much better than me

Took me 30 to even reach him

[lilac mural]

i think my first time defeating him was somewhere over 60...

[quasi oak]

I think it took me 43 attempts to kill him

[bronze blade]

43 attempts on boss is insane, or 43 attempts including attempts where u didnt get to hades

[quasi oak]

43 total

I would have to check how many times Papa killed me before scoring a win

[quasi oak]

Checked. 16 times before my first win

[steady lark]

took me 87

[eternal rose]

Hey all! Super new to this whole genre of roguelites and roguelikes. I used to grind hard in WoW Mythic Plus, not even knowing this genre is what I was looking for in other games. It's been awesome!

I have a question. I see some things pinned in this channel for quick "guides" and tips. Some of these date back to 2020. In fact most guides that I find are beginning of 2023 at best. I am currently trying to clear my first run, with me maknig it to and halfway through or so of beating Hades. Do you know where I can find up to date information? If the pinned information in this channel is still very relevant, I will follow what I see on there. I am also super open to suggestions on how to push over that hump. Thanks all!

[hollow hull]

Most info is up to date since the game hasn’t been updated in a few years

The meta undergoes minor changes but nothing significant for a new player

[eternal rose]

I still have to clear hades for the first time so I would imagine almost anything is viable there

I have a good chunk of the mirror unlocked too... feels bad man 😆 . Should I just use whatever weapon is getting the darkness bonus? Or should I grind with say just the shield to get my first clear?

[hollow hull]

Shield is a pretty safe weapon for first clear yeah

Up to you

[bronze blade]

#h1-discussion message is this a deja vu? ur alt?

[eternal rose]

Asking if this is another discord account of mine?

[bronze blade]

im joking

[eternal rose]

I was so lost for a second >.< My question is probably super common so I felt bad asking. Using resources from like 3-4 years ago just feels strange lol

[bronze blade]

that was not the point but probably came out like that, sorry about that lol its just you have similar way of typing

[quasi oak]

Are you using a keepsake?

If not either Eurydice's or Skelly's are good options

[eternal rose]

Yessir. Usually switching between regions depending on the weapon

What is Eurydice's again?

[quasi oak]

First few hits of a boss do no damage

Max level is 5 hits

Hermes and Cerberus are good options too

Hermes tho it's only useful if you carry it the entire run

[bronze blade]

hermes tho is usseles when you are not a spedrunner

[quasi oak]

Eh I disagree. I'm no speedrunner by any means but I've managed to end up with 30-something chance of dodging

[bronze blade]

speedrunner

[quasi oak]

If you say so

[dusty vault]

Thought it was about hermes boons for a sec

Anyways yeah plume's kinda a meme but not much for the speed aspect but for the "no build/defense" side

[quasi oak]

Yeah movement speed I don't find it too useful

[novel swift]

The move speed is generally considered the more useful part, as it gets quite ridiculous with RD due to move speed being multiplicative

[steady lark]

dodge better

[tidal condor]

Best thing about Plume is bypassing legendary prereqs for prophecy

[novel swift]

It's also good for improving your chance to get RD up and running

[quasi oak]

What's RD again?

I don't know most names of things in English

[novel swift]

Rush Delivery, gain bonus damage for any extra movespeed

[quasi oak]

Oh that one. Yeah it's pretty neat

[tidal condor]

[quasi oak]

It gives flat damage bonus tho right?

Not %

[tidal condor]

It’s probably the strongest boon in the game

[novel swift]

It's arguably the best boon in the game

It gives additive damage or % damage

[tidal condor]

It just makes everything you do do more damage

[quasi oak]

Ye but there aren't many ways to get speed bonus

So the Plume comes in handy there

[tidal condor]

Oh but there are

One of them costs a measly 10 gold

[novel swift]

Hyper Sprint and Ignited Ichor from wells

Also, hey Packrat

The other reason why RD is so good is because move speed stacks multiplicatively

So if you have hyper sprint, you will get a 100% move speed for a short time after dashing. This means you have 200% total movement speed, so if you add an Ichor, instead of getting 20% extra move speed like it says you will, you get a 40% move speed because you don't add 20%, you multiply your current move speed by 1.2

[quasi oak]

Ohhh neat, didn't know that

[novel swift]

Not surprising because the game does not tell you this anywhere

[bronze blade]

meanwhile minecraft 👀

[lilac mural]

i mean It does tell you though
by telling you that you get 100% after dashing, and 20% overall

[tender hollow]

Hi,
I want to get the legendary boon of Chaos, how I can have it ? I always have the mirror talent activate and one normal chaos boon

[sweet brook]

The game doesn't tell you it's multiplicative

Esp considering nearly everything else in the game is additive

[lilac mural]

because that's how percentages work

if it doesn't say it increases by x% of you base move speed it should be multiplicative

[sweet brook]

Still doesn't necessarily make it clear

Especially since you don't have an actual value in game to verify that

[lilac mural]

additive percentages that don't specify that they're a percentage of the base number are mathematically incorrect

[outer flint]

that would be a lot more words

[lilac mural]

it would be one word
base if it adds a per enrage of the base statistic
just the name if it adds a percentage if the current statistic

[outer flint]

im looking at the words of that msg

and I genuinely cannot understand statistics rn

[lilac mural]

it would be simpler if it wasn't so general
base speed/base attack DMG for when you add a percentage of the base and so on

[outer flint]

ok

[tidal condor]

You mean you have God’s Legacy active?

[tender hollow]

The talent wich boost legendary/duo (I'm sorry if I do mistake or if I don't have exact words)

[tidal condor]

Yes ok

Just up to luck at that point

[dusty vault]

No legendary chance buffs work for their legendary

[tidal condor]

You can use rerolls (last talent, green version) for more chances

[dusty vault]

Just keep entering chaos and have rerolls

And check charon wells for light of ixion

[tender hollow]

Do the cosmic egg and other boost for blue boons work for that ?

[dusty vault]

Nope

Is a thing with how the spawning chance is coded sadly

[tender hollow]

Okay, thank you

[eternal rose]

Suggestions for first aspect to unlock? I've got 4 bloods and they seem hard enough to come by, would love one that I could beat Hades redacted and make clears early on easier.

[sweet brook]

there's a guide pinned here

[eternal rose]

The newbie aspect guide? I'm assuming its reasonably up to date even though its 2y ago? And the A-F I'm assuming is what tier it is performance wise?

[sweet brook]

it's stil fairly accurate imo

the game hasn't changed since launch

if anything the only updates i would make would be on certain aspects to show that they're worse comparably to other aspects lmao

the guide is more like "yeah it'll work for clearing" so some of the ratings are a little higher than they should be but that doesn't really matter imo

[eternal rose]

Sounds good, ill try to break it down and make a choice. Thanks man

[tidal condor]

If you vibe with the shield at all, it only costs 5 blood to max Zagreus aspect which takes the base attack damage from 25 to 40

Which is rather significant

[low rose]

ive completed the game but i started anew on my switch and done like 4hades defeats but im generally cannot do any better right now wwithout a good build

[somber frigate]

Which aspects are you mainly using

[low rose]

@somber frigate stygius aspects and fists

[tidal condor]

Stygius is kinda… bad

Early game

But fists and sword both will benefit from a flat damage soup build

Poseidon dash, Dionysus or Zeus attack, try to get pomegranates on Poseidon dash

Try to get static discharge if you have Zeus attack, and pom it (static discharge)

[somber frigate]

Honestly

Understandable that you’re having a hard time taking them farther

Bingus is pretty on the money for boons

Nemesis can do crit builds too but aside from that just fds (flat damage soup)

[tidal condor]

Poseidon dash is ridiculously strong in general but for early/first clears it can carry a whole run easily

[novel swift]

Dio attack

[tidal condor]

You just have to learn to dash strike a lot

Dio attack on noblood stygius isn’t terrible

Stygius standing combo sneaks its way into your dash strike spams easily

Start with Poseidon trinket for the dash, then see if any of the flat gods show up for attack

Dio has really comfy passive boons too, good for helping newbies make it through a run

Strong drink OP

And the nectar one is helpful before foresight

[bronze blade]

what music for speedrunning

[steady island]

Is there a way to see what something is before selecting it? Like in charon's shop or when choosing a door? I know what a few of the symbols mean but am I supposed to just trial, error, and memorize all of them? I can't seem to find like a "info on this item" button

[steady lark]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/hades_room_rewards_guide.png?ex=66e0364a&is=66dee4ca&hm=bead09ec09f2f37c47252186ccee28ad35b50a666b1a7c8064e772cc62b1c86b&

something like this?

[dusty vault]

Damn it

[steady lark]

ha

not much to memorize since most of them are self explanatory

just the god icons i suppose

[steady island]

Thanks! What does reroll mean? Is that a possible ability you can get or is there a method?

[steady lark]

you get it later dont worry about it

[steady island]

I'm also looking at what appears to be a sandwich and fries right now and have no idea what that means

[dusty vault]

Heal

[steady island]

Isn't the heart with the red cross heal

[dusty vault]

Wait is it getting offered to you in a door

[steady island]

Charon

[dusty vault]

Those are max hp

[steady island]

Oh ok

Thanks!

[tidal condor]

The heart is max hp the food is healing

The pomegranate slice is a pom to a random boon instead of one of your choice like a full pomegranate

The bag is a random Olympian god boon, it could be one you already have in your pool or a new one if you’re not carrying 4 gods already

[steady island]

Any advice on how to choose a starting boon if I just don't like any of them? Or what to do?

[tidal condor]

If you don’t mind “cheating” a bit you can give up and try a different god keepsake

For the most part the boons offered will remain the same, just in the flavor of the other god

[sweet brook]

You can hit give up and change your weapon since the 3 types of boons (attack, special, cast, or dash) will stay the same options

[tidal condor]

Also can change weapon yes

[steady island]

Ok so like Poseidon's tidal dash may turn into the lightning one from Zeus?

[sweet brook]

It should yeah

[steady island]

Ok thanks!

[tidal condor]

Poseidon’s tidal dash is an amazing starter boon

FYI

With one or two poms in it (which is easy to do if it’s your first boon) it does very good damage for “free” while you’re attacking (with dash strikes ideally)

[solar fern]

whats a good build for hera aspect

[outer flint]

aphro cast is good i think

[sweet brook]

The only good cast really lmao

[tidal condor]

Stygian trippy is great if you’re too stingy/poor to invest blood in hera

[outer flint]

wats that

[tidal condor]

Stygian Soul is the green mirror talent version of the one that gives you extra casts

[sweet brook]

That's only an issue on like bosses most of the time

[tidal condor]

It makes it so you only have 1 cast but you get it back automatically in 3 seconds

[outer flint]

oh yeah

[sweet brook]

Which like sure but trippy Hera is more high roll

[tidal condor]

And trippy is Dionysus cast

[sweet brook]

It'd work I guess for low level Hera

[outer flint]

i just try and find the hermes thing that drops it faster

[tidal condor]

Even if you don’t get extra casts it’s still workable

[sweet brook]

But a bit sketchy still

[tidal condor]

But if you do get extra casts it pops ridiculously off

[steady island]

Why is Meg so unbelievably easy but her sisters are stupidly difficult?? They've killed me more times than Theseus and the minotaur

[trim cloak]

Because you've learned her patterns well by the time the other two show up.

Alecto is the hardest I'd say, but only because Tisiphone puts less stuff on the field

Tis's attacks need you to memorise how they work more (Particularly the rush > rush > AoE attack), but they're not that tricky, and she doesn't summon anyone during the fight

Alecto's main issue is that she has those buzzsaw's bouncing around which can really mess your day up, you kinda have to draw her away from them, her attacks are easily the simplest, but they're the fastest

[steady island]

Does Meg ever come back? I've only see her sisters 6 runs in a row and 5 of them were tisephone

[steady island]

I mean even the first time I fought her she way way easier than these two are now

[trim cloak]

she does telegraph with danger zones a lot more than the others, it's true

Alecto can just slap you at close range without much of a tell

[steady island]

Tis also changes the field to be extremely close quarters so there's like no way to avoid attacks

[trim cloak]

no way to run clean from them, so you need to time your dashes properly

and it's also why divine dash is the best dash, rarity be damned

[steady island]

Which one is divine dash

[trim cloak]

Athena's

rarity adds like, a tiny amount of damage onto a move that barely damages anyone to begin with, but that doesn't matter.

[steady island]

Oh I thought you were saying divine dash was rare to find

[trim cloak]

nah, literally one of the three boons you're offered on the first run iirc, lol

[steady island]

Ive been calling common/rare/epic the tier

[trim cloak]

fair, just as long as you don't call it level I guess

[steady island]

Yeah level is separate and I don't really understand why there are two dimensions or how they relate

[trim cloak]

they don't relate really

Rarity are fixed values on most boons, Levels by poms affect the same stats, but have their own progression that's additive and diminishing

[steady island]

But like is +1 tier better than +1 level? +2 level?

Singer lady in lavaland can upgrade rarity

[trim cloak]

case by case, the effect of rarity and poms is defined per boon

usually, the first pom is equivalent to one rarity level

but some boons cannot be pommed at all (None of Hermes' can, in fact)

and obviously all Duos and Legendaries have zero scaling

basically the first pom is worth it, shoving more into the same boon usually isn't

well, most worth it

[steady island]

Yeah that's kinda what I've noticed. After 1 it's kinda like barely different

[trim cloak]

a pom is doing like, half of what a common boon does additively, having another boon entirely is usually better

which is why room re-rolls are so strong

[steady island]

Although I had a shield build a few attempts ago where I had like 6 lightning skills and one that like did massive extra damage when lightning hit and that one was super noticeable when I upgraded it

[trim cloak]

some boons just scale linearly, the only one that springs to mind is Pressure points, where each level and rarity is +1%

[trim cloak]

Jolt from Static Discharge?

[steady island]

Static discharge sounds familiar

Was it that attacks self hurt them?

[trim cloak]

causes damage when they next attack, inflicted by any zeus zap

[steady island]

Yeah that was super super strong

[trim cloak]

also a pre-req for Cold Fusion

which makes jolt not expire when triggered, which can be silly

[steady island]

Idk what cold fusion is

[trim cloak]

Demeter/Zeus Duo

[steady island]

Not really sure what a duo is either

[trim cloak]

oh, not found those yet?

[steady island]

I thought that was like when you get 2 boons in a room and one of the gods attacks you

[trim cloak]

Duo boons are boons that require specific boons from two different gods, and are usually really good

[steady island]

But it sounds like it isn't

[trim cloak]

basically crossover power

[steady island]

Ah cool

[hollow hull]

That's a trial

[trim cloak]

Like Dio/Zeus's boon requires Dio's cast, and it makes that fog it generates also be a lightning storm

[steady island]

And is it automatic? Is there a special icon for it? Is it in a zeus boon if I have static discharge and whatever else from demeter?

[trim cloak]

basically if you have the pre-requisite boons for it to appear, it might appear whenever you next get a boon from either one of the duo

they're rare though

[steady island]

Ah ok

[trim cloak]

they're on the same general power scale as legendary boons

[steady island]

Also I like barely ever use my cast. It feels basically useless no matter what buffs I give it

[trim cloak]

but a little easier to get

[trim cloak]

Is it upgraded?

[steady island]

Upgraded how

[trim cloak]

mirror of night

[steady island]

Like the mirror? I have 2 shots

[trim cloak]

okay

and also abyssal blood?

[steady island]

They don't stack

Like extra damage doesn't stack if I have 2 marks on them

[trim cloak]

nah, but it's still a lot

[steady island]

I have a couple abyssal blood but haven't been able to do anything with it

[trim cloak]

but also there's various upgrades that use it

Depends if you want raw damage or something more specialised

Posideon's shot is just a nuke

quite a few are duo-prereqs

[steady island]

I've had one that did the red blade thing (I want to say mars. I forget the Greek one) and that was interesting

[trim cloak]

Ares

[steady island]

Yeah that

[trim cloak]

that cast is also the main way to his legendary

the duo with artemis also makes it last longer and home in like crazy

so it's a fussy duo to get, but worth it

[steady island]

I feel like 90% of the time I can barely get any synergy going between my boons and you're telling me there's like massive extra synergy mechanics

[trim cloak]

Yep!

[steady island]

Like I have the fists on my current run and I have the uppercut heal boon/hammer/wherever it came from and I got zeus lightning strike from uppercut and well. Now i can never heal

It's just straight up bad

[trim cloak]

Zeus is for rapid attacks

Don't put it on your heavy hitter like that

Also most duos need both gods on your core 5 boons

Try to do that

[steady island]

What are the core 5?

And do you mean only those two gods?

And does each pair of gods have exactly 1 duo?

[tidal condor]

Not only, no

And yes each pair has one duo

If you buy the codex upgrade in house contractor you can view all boons from each god, which also shows their prerequisites

[steady island]

I thought it would count for the heal thing 😞

[steady island]

That's what I've been looking for. How do I unlock that?

Also I was like "who tf is demeter" but now I guess I know why I have an undiscovered on my gods list

[tidal condor]

I think you need to have the fated list of prophecies already purchased and then run into a legendary and a duo at least once

[steady island]

Ok I haven't seen either yet

[tidal condor]

I’m having trouble finding the exact triggers

[dusty vault]

I think is reach styx and meet all gods or something like that

[steady island]

I have the list of prophecies i think. thats the scroll that appears on my desk in the bedroom?

[tidal condor]

In general for a legendary to show up you need a core boon from a god and one or two tier 2 books from them

[dusty vault]

||idk if dem is needed for it||

[tidal condor]

For duos it’s usually one core from each god

But some of the duos need specific boons from one god, mainly the ones that change casts

[dusty vault]

https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/ you can use this

Atost it spoilers that one god

And dmg numbers for the 4th aspects

[steady island]

And the last weapon lol

Or 2 if you don't have that one

[dusty vault]

Oh yeah, meant spoilers as in post final boss stuff

[steady island]

Ah

[trim cloak]

ah, she doesn't appear until you've at least got to the surface

[steady island]

According to zagreus I'm pretty sure i have gotten "to the surface" or whatever he says when you reach rat zone

I'm not sure if that counts

[dusty vault]

Nope

Rat zone is right before surface

[tidal condor]

Surface means you’ve met final boss at least once

[woven oyster]

ur in the temple so technically ur not OUT out into the world

[bronze blade]

h o w t o t i g h t d e a d l i n e ?

[steady lark]

iframe

[tidal condor]

Move faster

Kill faster

Take free rooms

[bronze blade]

*killed faster

[tidal condor]

Don’t go to every tunnel

Etc

[plain kraken]

Watch speed runners

[hollow hull]

Get better build

What aspect

[bronze blade]

aspecr of dragon appendix

[steady island]

is there like a "best god" or "best gods" for each weapon type? like i noticed Zeus (special + jolt) was really good with the shield and probably would be really good with the rail as well. and Poseidon was good with the fists should i equip certain god's boons when i use certain weapons?

also is there a way to force the hammer on an early floor?

i just feel like whether or not i do well depends entirely on the rng of getting good boons

[dusty vault]

Weak but fast hits > gods that add a flat dmg to your weapon like zeus/dio

Strong and slow> gods that add a percentage like aphro/arty

No way to force hammers but dark foresight on the mirror will make them way more likely

[steady island]

that must be below what i have unlocked

and thanks!

which one is dio? hangover?

[hollow hull]

Yeah Zeus is almost always good in a build

Aphro is good because she has the highest % boosts in the game, and Arty is good because crits

[quasi oak]

Ye

[steady island]

are ruptured and hangover and doom all effectively the same thing? i had doom on one run and it was incredibly powerful. it did like 100 extra damage

[dusty vault]

Doom is odd

W/o a certain duo is better as a support/hit and run

[quasi oak]

Ruptured does more damage more often but only when the enemies are moving. Doom makes ton of damage after a delay

Doom is not very good with fast hits

Hangover is since it stacks up to 5 times

[steady island]

i think i had doom on the bow special

[dusty vault]

Unless you have ME*

[dusty vault]

Shoals is more of a support than a main focus

[steady island]

but even if it's stacked 5 times it only does5*5*8 damage. i guess that's 200 isn't it. why does it seem so much worse when i use it

[somber frigate]

Not at all

[somber frigate]

you’re kinda missing everytthing else going for hangover

You need to be getting poms on it

and there are 2 duos that multiply your hangover damage by a massive amount

[quasi oak]

May be due to it doing damage only twice a second

It's slow but steady

[somber frigate]

“Slow” ~

[steady island]

i completely missed the "while moving" bit of ruptured. i guess that makes sense

i've been considering hangover and ruptured to be basically the same

[somber frigate]

you can also use global damage boosts to further boost hangover

Like rush delivery is always really nice

[steady island]

with who?

[dusty vault]

Aphro/ares

[quasi oak]

It takes half a second after a hit to actually start working, so many times it may seem like it's not working

[somber frigate]

Low Tolerance (Aphro+Dio) and Curse of Nausea (Dio + Ares)

[dusty vault]

Aphro is +3 max stacks if enemy has weak
Area is hangover procs every, 0.35s I believe?

[hollow hull]

Hangover is not amazing as a primary source of damage just because you ideally want dio call

[somber frigate]

dio call is really strong but like fists can do pretty well with dio strike

[steady island]

curse of nausea was the 1 duo boon i've had so far and i literally didn't notice a difference

[somber frigate]

It’s like a 37.5% dps boost for hangover

[bronze blade]

dio is pretty cool if u aint got a timer over ur head

[hollow hull]

🗿

[somber frigate]

? He’s just fine if you do

[steady island]

i think my only hangover was on a special though. like the rail special

it was real bad

[bronze blade]

cuz with aspect of rama and some duo its kinda free poison but slow

[hollow hull]

Cursed

My friend cheesed his first win like that

[somber frigate]

I literally always run td3 and I’ve yet to have problems with a hangover build on weapons that actually make good use of them

[dusty vault]

Checks out

[bronze blade]

u just

[somber frigate]

Hangover isn’t the problem in this equation.

unless you’re using it on something that really shouldn’t have hangover

like rail special

[bronze blade]

probably

[hollow hull]

Guys cluster bomb gets full stacks of hangover

🐐

[bronze blade]

explosif return got a point bro

[somber frigate]

Dem special for full stscks

[steady island]

ok so
fast attacks - lightning, hangover, rupture(?)
slow attacks - knockback, doom
dash - anything really. deflect or synergy is good

does crit go on anything specific? fast attacks would be more consistently hitting it, but slow attacks would NUKE when crit

is weak good at anything? does it just have the highest % attack boost?

[somber frigate]

Fasy attscks are not rupture

[bronze blade]

low damage and fast attacks are lightning

[somber frigate]

Rupture is not flat damage

I mean it is but it isn’t

Fast attacks; lightning, doom, hangover

[steady island]

the wiki literally says maximum stack "?" for rupture. i don't know what that means

[somber frigate]

slow attacks; +% damagae

[bronze blade]

also i would prefer aphrodite for slow attacks since they tend to be more damaging

[somber frigate]

Slow attacks should have additive damage mods

[bronze blade]

unknown

[somber frigate]

Not doom

[steady island]

i was just told that doom wasn't good for fast

[somber frigate]

Doom is just a waste of your time

[somber frigate]

It’s good for fast but only good in one build

[steady island]

multiplicative?

[bronze blade]

doom kinda sucks as a effect

[somber frigate]

additive damage modifiers

+% is additive

[steady island]

i had doom on something that chained to a lot of enemies and it was really good

[somber frigate]

my strike boons add to other strike boons damage

not multiply

[hollow hull]

It’s good support damage

Equivalent to jolted

[somber frigate]

The only case where doom is good is when you have mercfiul end and divine dash to quickly apply and drop doom

[steady lark]

No room slander

[somber frigate]

and fast weapons are best at making use of this

[steady lark]

I'll do room Eris 56

[bronze blade]

so fast you get slow attacks (ex 10 damage) you want more damage (+30 with lightning and stuff), but for slow attack (120 damage) you kinda want aphro or poseidon or stuff for +%150 so its lot more damage

[steady lark]

Rn

[steady island]

oh it stacks additively but is multiplicative. i was comparing it to flat damage addition

[bronze blade]

math is simple

[hollow hull]

Do it and then add 4 heat

[steady lark]

Mysterra already did that

[bronze blade]

do that and and 4 more heat

[steady lark]

For tun

Fun

[hollow hull]

You do it for fun now

[bronze blade]

yes

aspects are gangin up on ya false side

thou shall become thy aspect!

[steady island]

oh i didn't know merciful was a thing

[bronze blade]

its a duo, but this would help more for general damage calculation

[hollow hull]

Aphro or arty are best on big slow attacks

[steady island]

is poseidon not good on them?

[dusty vault]

Pos has the lowest %

[somber frigate]

Important note; you do not want posedion (knockback) on anything but dash or call, regardless of fast or slow

[bronze blade]

poseidon has some synergies, also i dont really like critical damage

[bronze blade]

okay i didnt know that actually

[dusty vault]

For attack*

[steady island]

also hold on. aphro does high damage+weak and arty does crit?

[somber frigate]

He has second highest +% special, but knockback shoots you innthe foot

[hollow hull]

Second highest % on special

[quasi oak]

I do think Poseidon is good with the rail

[hollow hull]

On dash maybe

[quasi oak]

In main attack

[steady island]

chat is going too fast for me to be looking up everything 😦

[hollow hull]

Nah

[somber frigate]

It isn’t

It sucks

[hollow hull]

Crits are pretty strong in this game

PP and HM fits in every build

[bronze blade]

crits are cool but they tend to come when enemy has like 2 hp for me lol

[somber frigate]

Knockback just shoots you in the foot more often then not

[hollow hull]

Skill issue ngl

[quasi oak]

Enemies don't get stunned with hits so the knock back helps and they keep moving so rupture works better

[bronze blade]

i prefer sure damage most of the time

[steady island]

but poseidon also does a huge flat damage on top of that when you slam somebody into the wall

[steady lark]

Not huge

[dusty vault]

If you want wall slams use his dash

[bronze blade]

but point stands

[somber frigate]

Knocking enemies out of your own range means you can’t hit them anymore

[dusty vault]

Just crit better

[somber frigate]

Lower dps

[bronze blade]

i sent that like 5 minutes ago f internet

[hollow hull]

That’s fair. Crits are best when you have a fair amount of additive in the first place

[steady island]

can you get a decent crit rate? like 50%?

if not i feel like crit is useless

[somber frigate]

Hunters marks

[hollow hull]

Hunters mark is basically that

[somber frigate]

Or nemesis or zag bow

[hollow hull]

Nem is Goated

[bronze blade]

with some duo you can increase it and hunter marks too but usually theyre not that huge

[somber frigate]

achilles and eris work really well with crit because they have huge built in additive damage mod

[steady island]

isn't it like 100 damage per slam?

[somber frigate]

so you can multiply it with crit

[steady island]

the only thing bad about the poseidon slam is you cannot do it against bosses so i feel like it's mostly useless

[dusty vault]

The dmg calculation is weird for slams iirc

[somber frigate]

They mean beaver

[bronze blade]

it has +%20 for bosses

[somber frigate]

[dusty vault]

Oh that makes more sense

[somber frigate]

+20% asditive is really low

and only against bosses

[steady island]

not really sure what you mean by this. bosses take more damage from knockback?

instead of being knocked back?

[somber frigate]

no they mean a specific boon

[steady island]

that's just bad if you're running a breaking wave

[somber frigate]

bosses do get knockback btw

it’s just heavily reduced

[dusty vault]

Comically small knockback

[somber frigate]

only 1 enemy in game recieves 0 knockback

[bronze blade]

it is a specific boon, if you have problems with bosses it can help but usually its not that useful

[steady island]

it's reduced enough that if they're pressed up against a wall and you "knockback" them towards the wall, they don't hit it

[somber frigate]

Except for when it does and you get 9 proks

of

beaver

[dusty vault]

My beloved glitch

[somber frigate]

Boss hitbox + wall + multiple knockbacks = way too many breaking wave procs

but it’s not reliable

[bronze blade]

poseidon is strong but you need a decent build, the reason most people like him is tdash which is free damage

[somber frigate]

poseidon isn’t strong

he’s ok

[bronze blade]

i wouldnt say hes ok cuz like for me its top 3 gods or something

[dusty vault]

Tdash is the exception and shouldn't be counted

[somber frigate]

His synergies are like all indirect boosts for most builds that would use him; his additive +% is only worthwhile on special, and knocking enemies away from you is more detrimental than beneficial. The best part of his kit is easily tidal dash though

[steady island]

yeah it's easy damage early game at least. you can just dash through everything and they die

[somber frigate]

tidal dash eclipses everything else

making him ok

Best damaging dash in the game goes crazy

and if you count ||beowulf|| then flood flare and mirage shot are also really good but aside from that evertjing’s kinda disappointing

[whole harness]

I like his sunken treasure boon that you can occasionally get it’s good when you need a little health

[bronze blade]

it is pretty good early game, but late game is pretty strong too. you can get lots of wall slams and the reason its op is because its arguably the best shot with the competitor divine dash

[steady island]

so divine and tidal dashes are good, i've found lightning dash to be really good with a jolted build. are there any others that are good? i use blades whenever it comes up too

[somber frigate]

This gets way less useful as you improve at the game

Until it eventually becomes literally 0 value

[somber frigate]

Hunter dash good for sword and bow

and hestia

[whole harness]

Oh yeah i know been playing it for a year still haven’t completed it fully but when I first started it came in hella useful

[bronze blade]

i only get it if i dont want other stuff which is rare

[bronze blade]

tidal dash are good for them too

[somber frigate]

As someone sorely in need of 175k darkness

[steady island]

idk what hestia is

[somber frigate]

I take it sometimes… ish

[somber frigate]

It’s a rail aspect that makes your first shot after reload do 50-150 base damage (depending on level)

It’s a strong rail aspect

[whole harness]

I do think his duos are cool as well

[bronze blade]

bro where are the aspects in chat

[steady island]

oh i think i saw that once

[somber frigate]

His duos are like

mirage shot

Done

Ran out

[steady island]

wait is that the upgrade? not a hammer thing?

makes sense i would have seen it then

[bronze blade]

mirage shot is be like the best duo in the game if u play beowulf which is pretty funny lol

[somber frigate]

Sweet nectar and uhhh exclusive access definitely exist.

and beyond that posiedon doesn’t have duos

if you’re playing super soaker then sea storm is a thing

[bronze blade]

they kinda suck if u dont get em early game

[somber frigate]

Well yeah I’m almost not taking them if it shows up after second hermes

[bronze blade]

sell em

[somber frigate]

although

chance for (guaranteed epic) rush delivery 3rd hermes in styx

might be enough for me to take it

[bronze blade]

theyre like 400 why not take for em cash

[somber frigate]

Or greatest reflex

[somber frigate]

Depends on my other options

Not that poseidon has much

[somber frigate]

And what I already have

[steady island]

wait you can START with Poseidon's huge catch?

[cedar delta]

Yep. Exactly once

[steady island]

oh why? did something trigger it?

there literally wasn't any dialog or anything

[cedar delta]

Did you buy a 🎣

[steady island]

i bought a fishing rod like 10 attempts ago

and this was like the third time i brought back a fish

[somber frigate]

It’s a scripted event

It happens at some random point after you get the fishing rod

it’s the same thing as when poseidon barges in and lets you start with his call

[steady island]

great help it was

zero fish

[bronze blade]

boy how do i beat the first room mate

[hollow hull]

What

[bronze blade]

im asking a question you aspect

[hollow hull]

In what context are you having trouble with the first room

[bronze blade]

i be dyin in the first room mate

[novel swift]

How

[hollow hull]

Bro needs some mirage shot

[novel swift]

In c1

[hollow hull]

I cannot think of a single heat where someone would have trouble beating c1

Explosive return > mirage shot bc you can get it c1

Zeus best aspect confirmed

[bronze blade]

mate there be skulls they be killin me

[novel swift]

I can’t believe I didn’t think of this sooner, I now see why Zeus is by far the best aspect in the game for every scenario

[bronze blade]

thank you ya i dealt 10 more damage before dying mate

[hollow hull]

It’s alright, we all need our eyes opened at some point in our lifetimes

[bronze blade]

i plan on beatin em next time

[hollow hull]

What js10 HL10 FO5 does to a mf

[bronze blade]

td6

[tidal condor]

You might not have been looking closely, I don’t think it’s possible to see 0 fish on that run

[bronze blade]

Such Holy Aspect of Bingus
can i steal ur pfp

[steady island]

well i did. it ended at tis because she sucks

[tidal condor]

Oh, well, that makes sense lol

[bronze blade]

i take that as a yes

[tidal condor]

Did I say yes

[bronze blade]

yes

[tidal condor]

I sure didn’t

[bronze blade]

i took that as a yes

[tidal condor]

Bye

[bronze blade]

nah

yes

h

im bored today so i be stealin pfps

[steady island]

is there a way to farm diamonds and titan blood? or am i supposed to like only get a couple of these bonuses ever

[cedar delta]

Have you won a run?

[steady island]

not yet

i got to the final boss (i assume) though

[cedar delta]

Lots more blood and such to be had after your first win!

[strange sentinel]

guys, i need some help
how can i open the "boons tree" during a run?

i play on the keyboard

[dusty vault]

do you mean the meny to see your boons or the pre requisites

for the first one is B by default pretty sure

[strange sentinel]

is B, thank you 🙏

[nimble valve]

whats an easy build to make? i just unlocked every weapon

[strange sentinel]

i'm also a new player, i like building athena + dionysio

with athena, you can reflect projectiles with your dash

a great safe boon

[nimble valve]

i see

i also build athena

but what weapon is the best

[strange sentinel]

i really like all 6, but i >think< bow and diamond rail are more easy to use

[nimble valve]

oh alright

[somber frigate]

This is just like

not a build

it’s just 2 random gods thrown together with little synergy

[steady island]

Is it possible to disable an aspect on a weapon?

[scarlet nebula]

How do builds work?

[steady island]

My favorite build so far is with shield. Zeus special + jolted and your throw becomes incredibly powerful. This works for a couple other weapons too like zeus attack for rail and fists. The rest are too slow to make the most of it but it still works fine with pretty much anything except the bow, where I usually just go with aphrosite (I haven't found any good bow builds)

You really just have to figure out what has synergy from what boons are available to you on each run. Like there's one boon (it might be a hammer) that increases your dash strike against armor and that pairs really well with artemis dash.

[hollow hull]

What

Why would you want that

[bronze blade]

you take a weapon and take something that would make it deal more damage
for example for fast but weak attacks you get +30 damage boons from zeus but for slow attacks you get stuff from aphrodite since +30 damage is minimal and+%150 deals a lot more damage
or you can get stuff like hangover attack and maybe try and get hangover duos

[steady island]

What if I don't like a change it makes to a weapon or want to try a build with the old way? Shield for instance changes significantly

I wanted to try a doom build with the shield bouncing off a ton of enemies, but now i can't do that

[bronze blade]

he got a point

you probably gotta install a mod

game doesnt have that

[hollow hull]

You can just select another aspect?

[bronze blade]

thats the easy way out

[hollow hull]

???

If you don’t like an aspect just use another one

[bronze blade]

maybe u want to play shield with 25 attack damage

[hollow hull]

Start a new save file

[bronze blade]

but theres no level 0 aspect of zag anymore

maybe u wanna play blade without being super duper fast

[hollow hull]

You can just play chaos

[bronze blade]

no bro

bro no

mate opening a new save is just runnin away the problem

@steady island probably check how to install a mod, i dont have much info on it thus you should check a tutorial or something

[hollow hull]

There is no problem. If you’re doing too much damage (?) put on calisthenics program

[bronze blade]

there should be some mods that lets you change aspect levels

[bronze blade]

explosive return mate ur not getting the point

[hollow hull]

Why? It’s strictly makes them worse

[bronze blade]

not everyone plays to deal insane damage

maybe u wanna chill like u did at the beggining with simple level 0 bow

[hollow hull]

Then you can play Chiron or Hera

[bronze blade]

wtf bro

maybe i dont wanna play chiron or hera

if i want "aspect" of level 0 bow, i do not want aspect of chiron

[hollow hull]

lol

[bronze blade]

@steady island if you manage to find a mod for it can you ping me too

[hollow hull]

You can probably ask in the modding server

It should be a simple save file edit

[steady island]

Oh you only get 1 at a time? I literally have only unlocked 1 each and thought they acted together

[hollow hull]

No that would be the dumbest thing ever

Aspects can be selected separately from one another

When you play a weapon, the aspects are mutually exclusive and you have 4 options, each of which are different

[steady island]

Yeah I didn't know they were mutually exclusive. So the answer is to buy another aspect and select that

[hollow hull]

The zag aspects(base weapons) have minimal changes, while the others have more significant changes

[hollow hull]

If you want the base weapon, it should still be accessible to you

[steady island]

Via zag aspects?

[hollow hull]

Yeah

Zag aspect is the base weapon

[steady island]

Can I select it if it's lv0? Currently in an attempt so can't go back out and check

[hollow hull]

Yes you can

[steady island]

Ok that answers my question then, thanks!

[hollow hull]

Are you holding a grudge against me for something?

[bronze blade]

no i seriously wanna chill with level 0 sword

simple is more fun

[hollow hull]

Ait I guess some people just like hitting with a wet noodle

Also if you like lvl 0 sword you should look into fresh file

Very chill and patient way of playing

[bronze blade]

thats fair but i dont have like erebus gate and stuff

[hollow hull]

Fresh file is where you beat the game on a new save file

Usually on the first run

[bronze blade]

nah

[hollow hull]

🤷‍♂️

[steady island]

Does each room I go through in the temple count as an encounter? Or only the whole sequence that gives me a reward counts as 1?

[dusty vault]

Each tunnel is one encounter for most stuff

[cedar delta]

I think everything other than Plume and Butterfly count individual Styx rooms

[dusty vault]

Well items/keepsakes leveling

[steady island]

I'm looking at demeter's rare crop

[dusty vault]

Hydro might funny enough also doesn't

[steady island]

Gain rarity every 3 encounters but I'm already at the temple

[dusty vault]

Yeah crop is fine

[steady island]

It'll increase every 3 rooms or every 3 rewards?

[dusty vault]

Rooms

[steady island]

Ok cool, thanks!

[nimble valve]

Oh okay thanks mate

Random question but with what weapon did yall finish the game for the first time

[dusty vault]

Fists, talos aspect

[hollow hull]

Poseidon sword

[steady lark]

not going to stop playing until i get thi

wrong channel. ithink

whatever

[outer flint]

Bow, aspect hera

[steady island]

i've only gotten to the final boss with 2 items so far: fists and rail. haven't won yet but they both did about exactly the same. both with Zeus builds. I just play with whatever weapon is currently glowing (the 20% darkness bonus)

[tidal condor]

I like to do that to change things up but the 20% isn’t super important if you think you’d do better practicing the same weapon until you can get a win

[cedar canopy]

Hi

[outer flint]

hi

[cedar canopy]

I keep dying in game ugh. Not sure what kinda build is best for the spear

[outer flint]

what part are you dying on?

[cedar canopy]

I'm still in the beginning when ya get to Meg or whatever her name is

[outer flint]

ok

have you given nectar to the different gods yet?

[cedar canopy]

Only to a few in the house

[steady lark]

hi

[outer flint]

well if you have nectar, you can give it to your favorite god

they'll give you a keepsake

you can use their keepsake to help you make a build you like. But if your stuck on meg then what i would do is gift a nectar to skelly

cuz his keepsake is an extra death defiance

[cedar canopy]

Yeah I need that for sure

[outer flint]

besides that, just prioritize keys and darkness over anything in the run itself

while your still unlocking all the mirror of night and weapons thats more important than the outcome of a run, unless your like about to beat a run

[cedar canopy]

Gotcha

[steady island]

If you learn her patterns well enough, you shouldn't struggle much no matter what build you have. They're fairly simple, just pay attention and dodge/dash often, getting hits in when you've figured out the points where she's just a sitting duck for a few seconds.

[nimble valve]

Are fists actually good

They do seem kinda fun

[nimble valve]

Wait what

I thought it gave heatlh

[outer flint]

its another death defiance

but instead of giving percentage of hp

it gives a certaina amount based on how high level it is

100hp for level 3

[clear flume]

fists are ok

i feel like every weapon is viable

[bronze blade]

weapons are mostly balanced and youll only find the difference if you play extremely good with em

[sullen bluff]

How do I get more titan blood for weapon aspects

[tidal condor]

Kill Meg with each weapon, kill final boss with each weapon

Until you beat final boss one time you’re only going to be able to get 6, one for each weapon beating Meg

[dusty vault]

For like 90% of the content yeah

Everything gets some use

[nimble valve]

Okay

Just died to him

He doesnt seem that hard tho

Just a skill issue