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im glad i got it over with
honestly the most fun part was finally advancing. i saved up did them all at once (dying 1st chamber for 50 runs) LOL i did the same with weapons
whats better: aspect of nemisis or aspect of zagreus (stygius blade)
Nemesis has built in crit which can lead to numbers without needing artemis, however that doesn't mean is better, both are good
All weapons/aspects do really well
They did a good job at balancing
š . also, appreciate you for being so active 
definetly
I like talking about the game š«”
hi, where can i spend my diamonds?
Work orders (house contractor/shade next to dad)
Not sure tbh
The first diamond upgrade is releasing orpheus iirc
Then you buy the deluxe desk, which unlocks the other diamonds stuff
what happens if i give one more nectar to charon?
oh what i can also gift to chaos?
oh i just realized i cant send images
He will love you more, and yeah you can gift to anyone you can directly interact with
Which is pretty much everyone but some bosses
What are ranks and how do I get them?
Late game cosmetic for resource dumping
how do i get them?
No idea what's the unlock requirement, but I assume just progress the game
Since is just something to waste resources on
Is post credits
ahh
why do the bosses have to change every time
i just died to the hydra attacking me 3 times in a row
for variety
dont they all triple slam in phase 3 anyway?
idk i never noticed
pretty sure they all do
but yeah is just more variety for the roguelike experience ya know
How many phases does hades have
2
2, ||3 with extreme measures 4||
My friend said he has 4 phases
Oh
Thanks
Whatās the most surefire way to get duo boons?
Get the prereqs, donāt open duos you donāt want, force the gods in the duo, take core boons from those gods when you donāt get the duos offered, run gods legacy
Heās wrong, there are 402827329 (2 ||or 3||)
how do you get the mirage shot duo boon bc my luck sucks
- Obtain the prerequisites Boons
- Keep getting Artemis or Poseidon Boons
- Be luckier
everyone is wrong its actually 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097494459230781640628620899862803482534211706798214808651328230664709384460595508220172539540812848111745028410270193218521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648669234603456264821339360726024914127372458700660631558817488152092096282925409171536467892590360011330504882046652138414695194151160943305727036575919509218611738193261179310511854724623799627495673518857527248912279381830119491298373632440656643086021394946495224737190702179860943702770539217176 phases
But but how 76 when most of the digits reside in non-integer space
what is a prerequisite
Duos/legendaries (and a few others) need you to have other boons already for them to have a chance to show up
Mirage shot for example needs you to have one of: Artemis' attack/special/cast/call and one of Poseidon's attack/special/cast/dash/call
oh alright thanks
There's an upgrade to the codex you can buy to get a list of boons with their pre reqs
But if you don't have it you can use
https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/
do you have to beat the game
Iām on my 25th attempt and I still havenāt beaten it š
Meet all gods and have found at least 1 duo iirc
I did that
I think
unless thereās another secret god
I'm not sure on that part
(post meeting the final boss) ||idk if Dem is needed for that||
Do you have the minor prophecies list?
The side quests stuff in zag's rooms
And idk if hermes-chaos also count
yeah I got her only after I reached the surface
I met both of them
It should up show up soon then
Prob just do more runs or use the linked site in the meanwhile
Or see if you already bought it (open codex > go to a god's page and see if you see a button called offerings near the bottom)
whatās going to be in offerings
bc I just unlocked the codex yesterday
and am relatively new
to hades
The boon list
Ah if you unlocked it early then it'll prob take a while to unlock
okay
wdym by early
bc
I thought you unlocked it at a set point
bc it was random for me
idk what I did to unlock it
Wrong term 
Unlocked it not so long sgo
oh okay
Just keep checking the work orders dude if the upgrade can be bought every so often
Is a 50 gems thing
oh alright
is there like a way that you can get boons from gods you want besides keepsakes
Nope
That's why their keepsakes are so good
If you still need to gift them nevtar for the keepsakes best you can do is avoid filling the god pool
(taking a boon from a god adds them to your pool, once 4 gods are added the rest dissapear)
Chaos/hermes work differently and are not counted for pool stuff
I know that, but sometimes I donāt have any options (mostly Tartarus)
sorry for the delayed response btw
It do be like that sometimes
fr
I remember one time getting an amazing flood shot run and getting the Ares and Poseidon duo boon bc it sounded really good and it was my first duo and that boon alone ended my run the very next chamber (Temple of Styx)
wait
if you purge all boons from a god does it remove that god from the pool
Nope
oh
when will i see dementer for the first time?
After you see snow for the first time!
||how do I get dad to give permission to use companions against him?||
is that when i escape?
Kind of
How Can i make my builds better tho?
I got to the elysium boss fight but i got wrecked
tall question. leveling up your weapons, upgrading the mirror further, learning enemy patterns, learning about boon synergy, there's a lot! you'll get better over time
With a crap heal build
this is really helpful omg
how do you unlock aspect of Beowulf
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Do I shoot deadly flourish for hr or hunter dash just for consistent damage
Iām leaning hunterdash here
Itās zag bow with common aphro strike
In tart
are yuo doing like heat or what
Also, which hammer you got
Heat
are you doing ap?
No ap
Eh I have aphro, dio and arte in pool
where did your mirror go
oh lmao makes sense
Whoops
Heading to builds
i just got to chaos for the first time. when it says "afterwards, (insert buff)" does that mean the buff is permanent? for every escape attempt going forward?
Absolutely not permanent
For the duration of your run
oh i see, i was thinking about "encounter" meaning "escape attempts" for some reason lol
The buffs last the whole run after the curses are over
the curses are the ones with the durations
i see, that makes more sense
wind
i gave skelly 6 nectar bottles and the next heart is a golden locket. i cant give him nectar anymore. need help :/
all characters have a favor that you need in order to further progress giving them ambrosia, you can find info on each of them in the wiki
i saw that i need to kill skelly with zag sword level five which i've done
so now i just need an ambrosia?
did you do this after you reached the locked heart?
like all said, all characters have one, companion or not
and its still locked?
i was way off 
for skelly, he specifically tells you what and when to do
not exactly new, but just returned after a while
to get new rewards from run (e.g.: titan's blood, the diamond thing, etc), do i have to turn up the heat or just switching weapon's aspect on the same heat already give me fresh rewards?
i forgo
is per weapon and per heat, eventually you have to turn on the heat once you have claimed all weapons at that heat level
so changing the aspect on the same heat and weapom wont give anything new, right?
Just started playing and trying to get the feel for what boons actually matter. Seems like some are near irrelevant. Any guides or help is greatly appreciated.
most guides might contain spoilers, but you can check out #h1-builds-and-combat message
it explains weapons and what boons are good with them
Thank you!
if you're finding the game too easy, you can turn up the heat past the required with no worries. i.e. If you're at 10 heat req and you turn it up to heat 20.. you can still get all the rewards from heat 10-20 if you clear 10 runs at 20 heat.
Do note that Boons from the same god complement each other. so it's smart to just stick with 2-3 gods per run if you're just starting.
the official max per run is 4 gods in the pantheon, tho this can be increased with gods keepsake
you dont really wanna do this however since you make it less likely to find the god you wantr
TIL, I always use keepsakes to get the god I wanted. never really noticed
yeah once you have 4 gods, the game stops offering you others, you will only find the 4
keepsakes ignore this rule and increase to 5 and so on
yeah having builds around 2 gods is not bad advice but you def want to get 4 gods to lock the pool
better odds to see who you need like that
3 gods builds are already kinda
and 4 gods is just lmao
1 god builds are the best
I used to think the Zeus boons suck but then I tried a Fist+Zues build. you can delete chambers in less than 30 secs.
im not up to date, but eris zeus used to be the speedrunning build for a reason
oh Zeus+Eris huh. I'll try that
how do duo boons work? do i need both boons and then get another boon thing from either of the gods or do i only need one of them and then get a boon thing from the other god?
each duo boon has a requirement, typically a boon from each good (from a pool of a few) then once you meet the requirement they have a chance to show up
so i need 3 boon things to get a chance for the duo boon?
no, 2
well yeah, you cant yoink 2 on the second lol
and you need to have the 2 before it can even spawn
yeah thats what i was asking i didnt know how it shows up, thanks
is pretty hard to miss, theres even special dialogues between the gods when their duo boon first spawn
apologies if you've already figured it out, but if one of the two gods doesn't appear a second time themselves during a run, buying one of their boons if you come across charon could also trigger it. you'd have to have met both, though. when i first played it myself it took me forever to figure out the particulars.
Isn't just about "meeting them" but about having the required boons
You can meet both 4 times each, if you don't have the required boons the duo won't show up
tf is even beowulf, hera talos and eris?
raises the boon rarity far as i know
the keepsake, you mean?
and also sry but im still not sure how i can get heigher teir boons, i have gotten a duo only once and a heroic twice nothing better
Nectar+ basically
You use it instead of nectar after a point with each character
what would it do if i gave it to, say, thanatos?
can it upgrade my butterfly?
For most characters it just advances their relationship with zag
Certain characters will give you something else tho
i gave my first ambrosia to charon lol
(hint: big locks in the keepsake cabinet)
i just REALLY wanted those shop prices to be lowered (they never did)
You can make them lower in another way 
ooooo how can i even get the ambrosias?
by uuuh killing him and becoming the new boatman?
3rd bobs
3rd boss drop
boss
||somewhat||
oh yeah got my arse whipped byy that one last time
oh okay
....which one?
These are weapons aspects, unlocked by unlocking all weapons and titan blood
elysium bosses
ouh uh also i got like 2 titanite shards and idk where to invest what do?!?!?!
yeah im not getting much titan blood anymore, i got a few at the start of my file but i rarely get any now
i just look for that one deal that gives me one for every 15 keys
limited and rare but
its what i have to do
idk any other method
Heroic boons: highest tier for normam boons (think stuff like zeus attack)
To obtain: get a swap (when a god offers their boon at upgraded rarity)/use Eurydice's ambrosia delight to upgrade an epic/3rd method is a spoiler
How do I get more blood
- beating the first boss for the first time with a weapon will net you one blood.
- final boss drops another + after that you unlock the best way to farm blood.
other sources:
trading for it at the lounge: - 1 ambrosia for 1 T.blood is always there.
- 15 keys for 1 blood which is super good
- list of minor prophecies.
- Charon may sell one blood for 1200 gold at the last area shop
@mild gust
you can obtain them naturally
but its ridiculously rare
Proof?
rarer than legendary boons i think
idk, i've gotten it once

Actually
twice
i've gotten it twice
one was the attack boon for ares
and the other was the special
also from ares
Duos: requires certain boons as "pre requisites"
For example, let's do merciful end (ares-athena)
It needs you to have one of ares attack or special and one of athena's attack or special
I didn't even have eurydice yet, letalone a swap, and i remember it being in the selection menu
Once you have both pre requisites any boon from ares or athena have a chance to offer the duo boon
Swaps are offered in the menu
what?? so its not something you have to unlock?
Nope
how did i miss it..
They are just rare (10% for a swap to be offered)
huuuh
i have 22 hours and still havent beaten the game, is that bad
so real
Legendaries are the same but multiple boons from one god: zeus for example requires one of his cores (the boons shown to the left aka attack/special/cast/dash/call) and one of the following: double strike/high voltage/storm lightning
Yeah sadly i Once had Ares attack and athena special but nothing :'(
Happens
???? i once got a legendary from poseidon on my beginning run boon
are you sure i need multiple boons?
That's an scripted event
Ah

Happens soon-ish after you buy the fishing rod
2 of the following
Sunken treasure
Ocean bounty
Conch shell (his keepsake)
Yeah i suck too i never got to styx in about 20
interesting
so its either i spec into duo boons
or i spec into legendary ones
by investing into multiple or one
At some point in the work orders should show up an upgrade to your codex that shows a boon list for each god
With the pre reqs included
obtained, just was never in the mood to read all of that
its alot easier to talk to a person than read an encyclopedia
or a game integrated wiki page
It takes like 4 scrolls to go to the duos page lol
its me not wanting to read the combinations
thats the problem
š
Have you reached the final boss yet
Multiple times
im chipping away at it
but i just cant get it down
https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/ see if this is faster for you (post final boss stuff)
Lmao
so real quick
is there anyway i can upgrade the pierced butterfly
i just love this keepsake
max lvl is 3*
nope
If only
Itād be actually worth considering atp
one can only dream
Is it Bad that i reraly even clear something without taking damage?
what do you mean worth considering? its great how it is right now
dare i say broken
I wish
its also forced me to play better
Itās kinda not enough of a damage boost to be worth the opportunity cost
every other keepsake i have is insanely mid
i have all the olympian god ones
Those are some of the best
most if not all of the cthonic ones
im not really looking out for any boons
im in my experimental phase
maybe athena's dash
Being able to choose where your damage comes from goes a lot farther than a low amount of global additive
what i've been asking myself all the time is
does the damage boost stay after i switch keepsakes
Nope
so like
what do i run
im still fairly new
definitely not 22 hours trust
I mean which gods youād want radically changes based on weapon/aspect
oh speaking of which
i got 2 questions
- i run nemesis aspect sword because the crits make me feel like im skilled, is that good? if so, what should i run with it?
actually thats 1 question, i forgot the 2nd oops
oh yeah
Iām still fairly new (410 hours) 
why does the gun weapon feel so bad
it feels horrible compared to everything else
just skill issue?
Dead cell pilled
Itās usually a skill issue, a build issue, sometimes a keybind issue
only thing that would be better than R which im already used to due to playing alot of shooters is R
next best thing would be F
my main gripe with the weapon is just
having a really bad special
and the reload itself being awkward
running out of bullets while attacking and just standing there like an idiot before you realize you're out
feels awful
Special can feel awkward
and managing your ammo gets easier to pay attention to (or rather pay less attention to) the more you use it
It can be really really potent though
teach me the ways of god gun
note that specialing, casting and dashing all cancel the reload animation (iirc) so you can walk while reloading
One of the biggest things for rail are the special hammers.
Specifically, rocket bomb (changes your special into a forward firing rocket with more base damage and speed)
Cluster bomb (5* the bombs with 70% base damage)
Triple bomb (3* the bombs)
None of these are required for rail to be good, they just drastically improve on that part of rail
One big thing about rail is, unless itās spreadfire zag, or hestia, anything other than zeus strike is going to feel meh in comparison
if im being honest though
despite me thinking its just human defacate
in my opinion it was the most fun i've had
with a weapon
it was just so goofy that it worked
part of that was the characters' reactions to me having it
Making sure to manage your bullets and knowing when to reload is a bit important
Animation cancelling allows you to move while reloading which is huge for keeping yourself safe
Try it in the training room to get a feel for it, it should be pretty straight forward
Combining rocket bomb with either cluster or triple bomb either gives you a 400 base damage shotgun (rocket bomb ignores the cluster bomb damage reduction) or a 240 base damage burst rpg
Stacking +% specials on this goes nuclear
It is a bit rarer though due to the sheer amount of rail hammers
Combining zeus strike and aphro special with either zeus call or dionysus call will open smouldering air for you, a super valuable dps duo
while filling out your kit with cores that are valuable as it stands
gog gun documentary
I wish i had screenshoted it in hindsight, but i just completed one of those rooms where i had to choose between two gods, i chose aphrodite first and zeus 2nd and zeus gave me a natural heroic lightning dash
pretty sure this is impossible, or at least not intended
only way to get heroic boons is either trade, eurydice, or rare crop
oh, well it WAS a trade for passion dash
my bad
what is rare crop?
ah that makes sense
demeter boon
yeah trades are always one rarity above, so if the passion dash was epic, then the trade would be heroic
is it just me or is demeter kinda sucky btw
eh, i like her
slowing foes makes for safer gameplay
and safe is booooring!!!!
She's certainly a top 9 olympians
...are there even 9 olympians in this game?
I was gonna say 8 then went, oh yeah hermes
yeah cant forget hermes
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honestly?
he does count for family fav after all
Hermes has two great boons but the rest is kinda meh
Well one of them is a combo but still
+dashes/hyper sprint + rush delivery
i like all hermes boons except extra dash
i like none of the hermes boons except extra dash
You forget to use them or?
no i just dont like having extra dashes
oh i didnt know that
im in a run rn ill try to go for hermes to get hyper sprint
queue spongebob stink sound effect
Rush delivery increases your dmg based on movement speed
So with hyper sprint RD at common already increases all your dmg by +50%
Epic RD is +100% boost
only extra dash i like is dash nova
ew
How
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
Idk if I will with that tone of voice 
Smth smth sacred crocodiles
He just
dashed into his spear
and took me to 1%
Ok
how come he wasnt doing that before
depends on which fight youāre talking about
yeah i thought you were talking about champions lmao
Same
hence the pet dog comment
given itās Hades for new players Iām assuming itās heroes but at the same time
3rd boss yes
he doesnt dash to spear
Oh the yeet move
also im winning
lmfao, the tag team attack
Iām even more correct for not wishing you luck if you called Asterius a pet dog 
almost killed me just not quite
You'll see asterius kneeling and Theseus will walk towards him
ive used em3 for so long i forgot that attack existed
When they enter in contact > yeet
asterius is cool
i just hate the other guy
we all do
Asterius is a homie
Asterius is too cool for hate by association
were my words marked
that was actually
really easy
why was that so easy
i usually dont even get him to 2nd phase
on a run this horrible too
funny enough i killed him with a crit
also is it just me or
is black shawl like top 5 keepsakes
im beginning to realize
i might have the worst takes in this entire server
listen man i just really like big damage numbers
Eh I've seen worse
Itās so good I canāt even remember what it does off the top of my head
best keepsake
Is solid
Spiked collar is easy top 20 keepsakes
10% damage when backstabbing
at base
I remember shawl cuz one speedrun wr has it iirc
at 3 stars idk
Or pb idk
Probably 30%
nah, just 13% trol
this run has a singular daedalus hammer
and im at the river of styx
Shouldāve run dark foresight
whats that again?
i got it upgraded to max
but i forgor what do
increased chance for golden laurel rooms
what are golden laurel rooms..
basically less meta currency rooms
In run boost rooms
wherr blue laurels are out of rin currency
It makes it a 70:30 split instead of a 50:50
Which is significantly more
Boons/poms/hearts/etc
so theres 2 types of room rewards, meta currency (nectar/darknes/gems/keys) and actual run boosts, like boons, poms, hearts
Meta currency is darkness/gems/etc
yee
dark foresight increases the chances of getting run stuff
that s coo l
so youre going to see better room more often, instead of dakrness, keys and what not
never even realized there was a difference in color if im being honest with you
Classic
i have gotten 1500 darkness in the past 2 runs and you're telling me im supposed to be getting less

The point is, DF is so strong that you end up seeing like 5 blue laurel rooms across the entire run
hopefully, yes, since at one point you wont need darkness
Most of them being in tart
and even then, at that point, every boss gives darkness as a reward
Grinding darkness through the doors is really meh
^
what im saying is
i have gotten 1500 darkness by complete coincidence while running maxxed out DF
and its supposed to lower my darkness gain
i guess you said darkness gain from bosses is
much better
yeah, once again, is to maximize run power
so that explains it
youre sacrificing meta currency for better runs
eventually you wont even need meta currency, so is a win/win
sounds good to me 
I mean run
The amount of meta currency you get from blue laurels is pitiful anyways
i know
Just get it from fishing and killing bosses for gemstones
why is trippy shot so awesome btw
cause dio is a homie
i just infinite stunned an entire room of sewer rats just because i didnt feel like playing the game that encounter
fighting john hades
on a run this horrible
wish me luck, actually this time
gl
first phase
done
stubborn defiance already procced
its looking grim
ahh what do i do against theseus?
i got into his 2nd phase but i got overwhelmed by dyinysus
target minotaur theseus is annoying with his shield
and i cant damage him because of his shirld
when theres a big hunk of meat following you around
yeah i killed him
oh dionysus?
if you get him you're just dead
is what ive learned
oh well xD
columns
yeah figured
they HURT
though
got him to half health
Not bad
im gonna run in there with zeus aspect and clobber him
when can i gift nectar to than?
i saw him in the house just now and i couldnt he just disapperaed lol
gift him before talking
hey do i keep stubborn defiance or max out its alternative
was it the first time he appeared in the house?
at a certain point you just cant gift than anything anymore
it depends on the build/heat and whatnot, generally death defiance is better
idk he was talking with hypnos
he dissapears before i can atleast
also what does codex index do?
boon list
dms
i have 24 escape attempts and i have been to the elysium bossfight twice how would you say im doing
theres not really a metric to say if this is good or bad
matter of fact, theres no bad
everyone progress their own way
is there a way to see which weapons i already got titans blood with?
once you clear
yeah im just not sure i already got it with malphon
gotta clear once
Ok I picked up this game a few days ago. I've unlocked the pain contract thing, and I'm looking to get 5 TB on each weapon for now so I can clear with each.
I got Zag aspect on fists and bow, now I need to do the others
What's a good "early" aspect to build around?
One better suited for newer players I guess
when can i unlock the big locks in the keepssakes?
refresh my memory, what big locks
Continue gifting to people, some unlock them
yeah ik know i notices im one away with charon and dad but i cant give it to them anymore
gotta do their favor
Yeah each one has a favor, just continue talking with them for most. With some its more complicated
theres info on the wiki on how to do the favor of each characters
ah i see
lot to do still
also what am i supposed to do against shielded enemies? with greatshields its not that bad but when i get close to theseus i get whacked
Theseus has two main attack patterns. One is a spear throw followed by a walk during which you can target his back, and a spin, which you can dash through and target his back.
how do i get quake cutter?
Fist hammer?
yeah
Just get more hammers, it will show up eventually
hell yeah i beat theseus
Whats with Asterius?
whats the ambrosia for?
after you complete someones favor you can only gift them ambrosia, not nectar
how do i get enough diamonds to unlock the upgrades from the contractor?
||pact of punishment||, wretched broker, last charon shop, prophecies
||FISHING!!||
idk if spoiler or not
Definitely not consistent so mainly stick to the other options
do i have to clear all of the styx rooms to get cerberus to let me thru?
no, at least 2, after that is rng
what are the chances?
on the second room would be 25% i assume
then 33% once 3 rooms are left
50% with 2
i dont think is weighted
Is like a 52%~ for a 2 sack
ignore what i said then
guys help they're making me choose between unhealthy fixation and sweet nectar what do i do
idk ive taken sweet nectar before
im in asphodel
about to fight bone hydra
I'd prob take aphro's legendary just to get it out of the way?
Idk what poseidon core you have so poms may be useless
Special
A level 5 common special
Here
Hello
I am a new player attempting to complete my first play through, have gotten to || hades many times but can not clear his final form ||
should spoiler that, but i recommend taking your time in the fight, dont be so aggressive, he hits hard, but the attacks take a while, so you can safely dodge out
Btw I really like ares and his boons, but I heard they are weak so should I stop
Sorry, how do I spoil
you can def win with ares
How do I blur sorry
add || before and after whatever you wanna spoil
Ok thanks
But how should I go around making a build
I like using sword, gauntlets and spear of Achilles when I can get flurry jab
check the pinned messages, theres a guide for new players
Ok thank you
What is heat
Also is there a way to know when u get 100% completion on the game like not speed runs
after you win you can make the game harder
depends on what you consider 100% completion
some draw the line on the story, others on steam achievements, others on the prophecies, others on absolutely everything else
so have to be more specific
Oh ok thanks
||is there any benefit to forging a bond for keepsakes? Or any other benefit?||
You get a cute sticker
Nothing else? I've forged a bond with a few people but haven't noticed any difference
No
Need some bonds for story completion
By benefit im assuming run wise. And story completion does nothing for it
For the olympians it has relevance to the epilogue
Wait... do I need to get a sticker for each olympian to get the epilogue?
||just 6 of them||
@sterile solar i have 2 diamonds and i already have fishing rod and orpheus what do i buy
Idk what's available in your contractor
the contractor new jobs and reobtaining access to the file room
btw the nem run os going horribly
elysium and still no merciful
File room is good, you need that for a lot of things story wise, as well good info like match history. I don't remember what new jobs did
Just read Toko's mind gosh
new jobs unlocks a bunch of diamonds required upgrades
can i spend them to get thanatos to show up? been 8 runs where is my pookie
is stuff that buffs darkness/keys/etc
for example fated keys makes picking them give you a reroll
ah i se
just got ares again praying to rngesus
still no merciful im ready to kms
I GOT THAN
LETS GO

AND I GOT MERCIFUL
LIFE IS AMAZING
No. I believe there's a mod for this if it really bothers you
i feel neglected by thanatos 
how many phases does the final boss have
5 i think
||by default 2, 3 with a certain optional modifier||
mmmmm
The first phase is ||sectioned into 3, and the second phase is sectioned into 2||
||he has a second healthbar||
well i know that, i thought each healthbar counted as its own phase
I assume people just mean health bars when asking this question in the new players channel
hm
mmm im thinking of every time his moveset changes
||if you take the optional modifier, the third healthbar is just one section||
us plebians dont know any better
can you really blame us
is this optional modifier god mode
||itās normally referred to as p1.1, p1.2, etc||
It's more on the hell mode side
No, ||extreme measures 4||
oh
Well you dont need ||hell mode for it||
By hell mode I mean the pact of punishment, not to be confused with the actual hell mode
there's an actual hell mode?
Yes
Clear a run
IM TRYING MAN
nah he'll show up eventually
i got a full clear no than 
After neglecting Toko for a bit 
started a new save, had a day or two filled with runs and no than
wheres my pookie than 
until he came on the next run randomly LMAO
unsure whether he's supposed to show up more frequently in next lil runs but yeah
He has no ties to clears
but im saying i went through enough runs to get my second clear and no than
You've won twice only?
Just saw victory boasting, very nice
And yeah hes a shy one
i have 20 hours in the game im not good enough to win consistently
Hey that's not bad at all
: D
do fishes respawn
Like in the same spot?
in general
like can I fish every run or the fishes run out eventually
Fishes don't run out in either game
Yeha fish are endless
thanks
What a game, just had to say it!
Is this chat active?
I wanted to know what I should pick from ( I got two chambers one with diyonisus and zues and another is a deadulus hammer) I'm going for a caste run I have Beowulf aspect and diyonisus caste and zues special
ur special doesn't really matter with beowulf
I want to get zues and wine guy duo boon
well u shud take zeus
cus if u don't get the duo u can at least get good zeus tier 2s for when u do
like jolted or double strike
I'm sorry its trial of god's(YK where there are two god's together in same chamber)
Yes I have wine guy caste with 200 damage per caste
I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough
well u can't get the duo at all from the trial but if u want the duo then more lightning boons are always gud for it
u shud prolly be taking zeus anytime u can with lightning builds cus there's so many good tier 2s
Okay I agree on that
I was confused that if I miss the hammer won't show up again
Are there any good boons for bull rush which would work with Beowulf?
where are u in the run
id only worry about missing a hammer if ur near the end so id say it's safe to take the trial
tartarus trials r easier too but still
trials can still be hard tho so if ur worried abt dieing then just beware ykwim
Alright mate thanks
np
If I win this run I'll send the ss in victory boasting

oh so
Itās still the stronger option
But it caps out at 25% unless youāre doing something kooky
Per Olympian God* (so chaos doesnāt count)
privileged status is meh, idk if i have ever gave an enemy 2 status effects
Priv status is pretty much exclusively useful on things like hangover builds where you know youāll be taking 2 status effects
hangover + weaken
family favourites is just bonus damage conditionlessly, and it applies to your first and second hit so itās more impactful
true
5% *4 (the 4 regular gods youāll have in your god pool) + 5% from hermes
wouldnt be like
times 7
oh wait i didnt realize it caps at 25% lmao
anyway thanks for the help
Well
Your god pool caps at 4 naturally
You have to force in more via keepsakes or other ways that I donāt want to explain this early in the morning
As soon as you have 4 gods (aside from chaos and hermes) in your āpoolā, the game will stop giving you other regular olympians that arenāt in it
Theyāre only added to your pool once you pick them up
so you can get a pool of any 4 gods given they show up
Itās not a ālocked inā four when you start your run
oh i get how people do builds now
You force in gods via keepsakes in tartarus and asphodel and aside from that just pick up gods that wonāt get in your builds way or have synergy
Ideally you keep your pool at 4 gods (so not getting 3 extra random gods prior to asphodel and needing to force in your 2nd build component) because each extra god is reducing your odds at seeing the ones you need for your build
Hello people, does anybody know what exactly does upgrading Stubborn defiance in the Mirror do? I feel like the explanatory text stays the same, or am I missing something?
Itās a binary, thereās no levels to it
what did i achieve by getting a bond iwth charon?
he loves you now and gave you a sticker
never
i lied, ||when you fight him||
At level 0 you donāt get the stubborn defiance. At level 1 you do a stubborn defiance.
holy sh1t i just beat hades with 24 hp remaining
Sup, new guy and just beat the game for the first time
And yea, attack and dash from chaos tend to be a 50%+ increase
Genuinely avoid second hammer on sword bc the only good second one is breaching and you could brick your build with the others
hm
I just started hades a few days ago and I don't really get how or when to use cast? with the mirror buff I guess it can be mildly useful for fighting a boss but I don't ever find myself using it during a run whatsoever
if you aren't focusing on a cast build is pretty much a boiling blood applicator and that's it
you can take a cast boon to unlock a duo you want
stuff like pos/zeus can give you some AoE
i ran into a chaos gate and i cant go in because my health is too low, thinking of taking a bath in the warm water so i can proc a death defiance and force myself in, do i go for it?
got 2 defiances left
im gonna do it
really banking on a kiss of styx premium when im in the 3rd layer
Stubborn defiance means you can do this and not lose something permanent lol
But yeah up to you
sadly im not stubborn
@hollow hull you know actually i do have athena
right now
do i waste my 1 reroll
and try to get the boon that gives me a defiance use
phalanx sure footing brilliant riposte
Take sure footing and just look for another Athena
i dieded to bone hydrar..
Rip

ok this is quite literally
the perfect run
if i somehow lose this im quitting
guys im quitting
we're so back
when can i fish?
You'll see a glowing spot in the water
You'll also hear a ding at the end of an encounter/at the start of a friendly chamber (shops/npc/etc)
can I not quit the game in the area where cerberus is?
You can
However you canāt quit after having bought a boon or pom
Just go to the next room, and save right as you enter
Be mindful next time you join tho
how much gemstones does vanquishers keep give you?
also which diamond upgrades should i prioritize?
which ones you have
10/20/30/50
erebus, vanquishers keep, pitch black, fated, vintage, brilliant, darker thirst
darker thirst if you use the dark thirst weapon
i dont find myself going got erebus much, but if youre into that sure
i guess vanquishers keep is nice for the gem grind as well, i forgor what the rest are
also i can buy the administrative chamber idk if thats something importants
matters later on
oh those are the meta currency ones, i never reroll so ignored the keys one for last, i think nectar is the best
I'd do the run upgrades first (so fated and nectar first, other 2 don't mater as much) then stuff like vanquisher's and admin chamber
yeah i forgot those are that, would def focus on that
makes the meta currency rooms somewhat not a complete waste
also which pacts of punishments are easiest to start off with?
im on 2 heat with the blade rn
im a black sheep here, is best i dont give advice xD

been running ap2 ever since i unlocked the pact xD
bro how do you even build with that
i dont
ok š
just make do
skills are all you need
yep
Thereās a heat guide pinned immediately in #h1-high-heat-strategies for low heat players
This message specifically
I mean you do almost completely cut yourself out of the entire building skill to do so
i dont understand why fated authority would be recommended for AP
i feel persuasion would help a lot more
i did mostly, except the fated authority part
Iām on board for everything but shadow presence and fathorit
How to cast build?
I just need a cast build that I can work with, I've got Hera's aspect and Poseidon's aspect
Not Achilles' aspect though, I'm still unskilled with the spear
hera just needs aphrodite cast
and put all the poms onto it
and that's the build lmao
it really depends if you prefer one or the other
i for one prefer Hera over Poseidon, but thats cuz i just find the sword worse than the bow
pos aspect likes going for athena cast and then getting the lightning phalanx duo
the sword where you dont have to play it like a sword
So for those two, should I take Stygian or Infernal?
nemesis is fun, so is the hidden, but getting that extra cast dmg is fun
both infernal
K
all cast builds take infernal unless you're building for dionysus or demeter cast
god i havent played in a while, can i get a reminder what stygian and infernal are?
It sucks that I can't just continuously spam load with stygian soul
Would be funny
stygian is regen cast every 3 sec
infernal is +2 casts
ohhh right
Stygian: One Cast but reloads
Infernal: Extra casts
i never remembered the names of the mirror upgrades
I mean you can if you get extra bloodstones from chaos/wells/arty legendary
Speaking of Artemis
Should I take PP (that's the shorthand for pressure points right???) if I'm using chiron's aspect?
it's like fine
the only time pp is worth taking is when the other options are bad lmao
hestia shackle
Hestia rail is good, can do zag shield if you get charged shot, or do zeus
It probably sounds insane now that I'm thinking bout it
it's been done at 41 heat lmao
Hestia ia the charged reload shot for the rail, right
Yeah
I would recommend trying out achilles given achilles at lvl 1 is equivalent to poseidon maxed
After post-rush, yeah
Yeah but āpost-rushā is the smallest stipulation in the world
Thatās certainly one combo of boons Iāve heard of
hi, is there anyway to fix the godmode dmg reduction ? I'm at a percentage where I feel ok, but I don't want it to go up and make it too easy.
Only thing you can do outside of mods is disable it
ok, thanks
Take shackle from the start and use a weapon youāre confident with
how do i avoid boons
Hestia, arthur, zag shield are all common
Use fated authority
So the dialogue at the end triggers if you donāt have any sellable boons by the time you reach ||hades||
You donāt need to avoid boons as long as you can sell them all in the pre Styx well so just save fated persuasion rolls I guess
should i use underworld customs?
That wonāt affect it since youāll be selling anyways
Underworld customs forces you to sell, but you'll be selling anyway, so it will have no effect unless you just wanna add the heat number
Heya people, do Satyr Halls count as an encounter? For upgrading keepsakes.
for upgrading, yes
Every single room in the tunnels counts as 1 encounter?
yes
Sweet! Thanks
should i be able to be offered breaking waves if i only have tidal dash?
