#h1-for-new-players

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heavy summit
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what is pom? sorry i dont know very much about the game yet

dusty vault
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The level up boons thing

heavy summit
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oh ok

dusty vault
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Pomegranate of power or whatever the full name is

heavy summit
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the thing that looks like a fruit kinda

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yea

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sorry for spamming questions, but does the hold attacks count as "attack"? cuz rn i have a thing that gives me +37 attack dmg, and if bull rush isnt included its not thaaat strong

dusty vault
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Bullrush is affected by it

stoic raven
heavy summit
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sick

stoic raven
dusty vault
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What did I typo now

heavy summit
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💀

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can i dm someone? i cant send pictures here

stoic raven
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just use embeds

dusty vault
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Send to another discord and copy the img link

heavy summit
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where can i send pics

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screenshots, rather

dusty vault
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I use a private server for that

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Or smth like imgur works

heavy summit
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ugh

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ill just dm u if thats fine

dusty vault
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Sure

sick sandal
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How do you get heart seeking bow?

stoic raven
sick sandal
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What’s the courtyard sorry I just got the game Today

stoic raven
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youll find it

sick sandal
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A full run like all the way to the end?

stoic raven
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no just die

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or finish

sinful hollow
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if u can make it but as u started today u cant make that much of progress

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explore urself u ll find it

stoic raven
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you should try to go as far as you can each run, unless you want to advance the story with gods and characters at the house
the plot moves forward each time you die or win

sick sandal
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What is the Hera bow?

stoic raven
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beat the first boss and itll show up soon

sick sandal
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I already did

stoic raven
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well in the courtyard, select the bow weapon twice
then it should show up

sick sandal
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Ok thanks

stoic raven
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if not, then keep playing

lilac kestrel
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Does getting a duo boon decrease my chance of getting another duo boon?

sinful hollow
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depends on the gods and u can get more than 2 duo boons in a single run

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even up to 3

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and i dont know about the decrease part

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i doesn't work like that

sweet brook
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getting 1 duo doesn't decrease the odds of getting more

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i've seen runs get like 5 duos or something

somber frigate
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inversely, picking up a duo boon should make it easier to find the other ones available since they’re no longer competing for that spot in rng

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If I have both deadly reversal and merciful end open, picking up deadly reversal means whenever my athena boons roll duos after that, I won’t see deadly reversal.

sinful hollow
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.

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@devout gyro

devout gyro
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does spending blood on zag aspects count for the hidden one

sinful hollow
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the ones i mentioned counts

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will take ur 5 titan blood

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and talk with gods and people at house

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figure it urself

dusty vault
lilac kestrel
peak tartan
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hey guys, i was watching a haelion stream and sometimes when he would go into rooms (charon shop for instance) he would be like "well it means we get 1 less boon"

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how does that work and also what rooms in specific mean you get less boons?

sinful hollow
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u ll be spoiled tho if u keep watching him

dusty vault
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So if he went into Charon's shop w/o money for example and the other door was a boon then that's one less boon

peak tartan
peak tartan
peak tartan
dusty vault
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I mean ||one of the pact options include raising the price of charon stuff so it still can be the same thing||

restive portal
sinful hollow
sinful hollow
heavy summit
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ive never understood what "deflect" actually does, and why people say its so good?? explain pleeease

somber frigate
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Knock enemy projectiles back

cedar delta
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And melee attacks!

heavy summit
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so it makes them take damage to their own ttacks?

cedar delta
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Yep

heavy summit
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ok, thats decent ig

viscid notch
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The important part is stopping you from taking dmg, the dmg they take back is not a lot anyway.

heavy summit
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oh ok

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thats true

sage cipher
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can someone explain how merciful end works exactly? cause the descripiton says that everythhing I have that deflects imediatly inflicts doom when deflecting but its not working like that

stoic raven
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merciful end makes all your doom effects instantly work

sage cipher
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oh so its just makes so I skip that like 1 second delay?

stoic raven
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yes

cedar delta
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Yep! Rapid-fire Doooooom!

stoic raven
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on merciful end, you generally want athena on dash and ares on attack, so you can dashstrike

sage cipher
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and adds 40 damage or that doom only deals 40 damage?

stoic raven
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it adds

sage cipher
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oh great thx

somber frigate
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but the important effect is the doom dropping immediately

weak goblet
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does anyone have any tips for beating hades im stuck

sinful hollow
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how u play against him?

twin lantern
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that's a spoiler btw

somber frigate
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it is a spoiler thou

stoic raven
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no theyre talking about the hades game

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🌴

twin lantern
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simple as

lofty urchin
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for the mirror perk ||"olympian favor" is it chance to be rare or chance to be rare or higher||

sweet brook
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Pretty sure it's chance to be rare since it doesn't increase chances for epic

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It only decreases chance for common I think

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But also idrk because dark foresight is better than it lmao

dusty vault
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yeah olympian favor describes only rare

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if it was or higher it would also include legendary chance though and that'd be kinda funny

lofty urchin
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are there any specific requirements to get a boon swap or is it literally just rng

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if so what are the chances

broken girder
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I think the less empty core boon slots you have, the higher is the chance of a swap but I’m not sure

lofty urchin
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ah that would make sense yeah

mighty elm
leaden whale
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whats the best upgrades on mirror of night?

dusty vault
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Ah you asked in both channels bouldy

leaden whale
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thank you

cedar flame
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is chaos aspect the best on shield?

dusty vault
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No

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Zeus/hidden

cedar flame
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oh rip i leveled chaos because it seemed good

dusty vault
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Classic bouldy

cedar flame
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well i gonna stop leveling it

stoic raven
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chaos shield is so "good" you dont even special

cedar flame
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is there enough titans blood to obtain to level all aspects?

sweet brook
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yes

cedar flame
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alright good ty

lofty urchin
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whats up with the stun on unarmored enemies? do you have to do a certain amount / % of their hp to stagger them cus if not it kinda feels inconsistent

raw coral
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It's direct hits that stagger them afaik

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So dots do not

faint umbra
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i dont know what you're playing but the rail does not stun

raw coral
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Only its special does

lofty urchin
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so not all direct hits?

raw coral
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Most do, but not all
The rail attack wont stagger

lofty urchin
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just the rail attack?

inland stag
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what is the difference between rarity and level?

twin lantern
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think of rarity as "starting power" of a boon and levels as improving that power

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generally a rare or an epic will have the equivalent power level of a few poms on the same common boon

heavy summit
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||just beat hades. my heartrate was probably at like 250bpm at the final bossfight lmao||

sinful hollow
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Good job but it is a spoiler

heavy summit
sinful hollow
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on both sides

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||

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2 of them

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yeah

heavy summit
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that was needlessly complicated lmao

sinful hollow
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it is easy actually

leaden whale
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is tidal dash better than thunder dash

heavy summit
leaden whale
heavy summit
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i think athenas's dash is the best, the poseiden

sweet brook
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poseidon and athena dash serve different purposes

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athena is defense, pos is offense

heavy summit
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yep

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well

sweet brook
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kinda just depends what you need for the build really

leaden whale
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i have bow

sweet brook
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gamer

heavy summit
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in the "bossfight" where u have like a million projectile shooters tryna kill u, its kinda offensive. otherewise its defensive

sweet brook
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i mean that's a defensive use for it lmao

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just so happens that it deals damage back

heavy summit
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i guess lmao, either way its a fantastic boon

leaden whale
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holy

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1 hp clutch against megaera

heavy summit
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WWWW

opal storm
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hades giving me some crazy new console luck

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with a switch i maybe got 2 meg kills in like 40 runs

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on a different platform i beat meg within 2 attempts

stoic raven
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thats just your skill carrying over

somber frigate
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it happens with a lot of same genre games too tbh

stoic raven
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can confirm, my dead cells gameplay may have been the cause of me being good at hades

sweet brook
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my hades gameplay made me get a pretty early clear in dead cells lmao

lofty urchin
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whats the chances/conditions for the ||borrow gold fight|| to appear

sinful hollow
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never heard the || appearance rate but i think going for charon shop as much as u can ?? |||

faint umbra
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||only in mid-shops and it has a 22% chance to appear||

somber frigate
outer depot
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Hey could someone explain the deal with flood shot and flood flare. They are the same boon basically? Only available to beowulf?

dusty vault
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One thing that flares have over shots though, mirage shot is bugged on flares so the 2nd cast doesn't have reduced dmg

lilac kestrel
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Is there an aim assist for PC? For rail

dusty vault
lilac kestrel
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oohhh

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I never knew that

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this is going to be weird

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thanks

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this is just OP

lilac kestrel
dusty vault
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

lilac kestrel
dusty vault
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Nah

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Or well yeah but controller

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I tried kbm like once

lilac kestrel
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ohk

weak cargo
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do you get all the bounty rewards of lower heats if you clear a higher heat the first time?

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or do you have to do it one by one

dusty vault
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One by one

weak cargo
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ah damn

dusty vault
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||What you can do is if you are way over your necessary heat is run that same pact again and again it catches up at least||

weak cargo
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ah

dusty vault
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So like
||You need heat 2 for bounties, wi in 10 heat and that will give the bounties for 2 heat||

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||Win again with same act and is now bounties for 3 and so on||

lilac kestrel
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@dusty vault @weak cargo Spoiler 👀

leaden whale
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do i target tesius or minotaur?

cedar delta
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🐂

leaden whale
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okay thanks

cinder juniper
lofty urchin
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can you get a 5 god pool by using a ||gods keepsake|| after taking 4 other gods?

final dune
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yes

somber frigate
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in one swoop if you have an 3 full pool when you enter ||styx||

sly token
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hi r there any prerequisites to trigger the option to get achilled and patroclus togsther bcus i cant give them anymore nectar

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it says to deepen ur relationship w them drk how to do that when there are no new dialogues

sweet brook
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prob just keep talking to them

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i dont think there's anything else you have to do before that but maybe someone can correct me on that

cedar delta
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I've heard here that one must needs complete one of the other two relationship repairing quests first

lofty urchin
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how good are rolling and strong knuckle?

sly token
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thank you bouldy

mental knoll
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bro how do i make the shield work

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it seems that every time i select shield i never get a decent build

cedar flame
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got a new record for completing a run with it

sterile mica
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the special is really weak and leaves you unable to attack and block, so don't use it, unless maybe you can get ares special (doom)

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aphrodite is good for high % buffs

cedar flame
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ares on special is rly nice

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also i like to use the poseidon boon with shield which creates a water explosion when you hit the enemies into a wall

sterile mica
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breaking wave is nice

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tidal dash always works imo as well, very strong

cedar flame
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shield literally my favorite weapon yet

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but well i just play hades since a few days

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just have like idk 8-9 completed runs

sterile mica
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zeus shield is pretty fun but it is weak at low level

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still loads better than base shield though

sterile mica
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you want zeus's aid and another core aphro boon, ideally attack

cedar flame
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completed run in 17 min my fastest round before was 22 mins with malphon fists

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played zeus shield with zeus on special and aphrodite on attack

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zeus shield is insane

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i'm also a big fan of playing exagryph with dionysos on attack

broken girder
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You could try Zeus attack with that

cedar flame
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yeah i want to try it but idk rng doesn't give it me lmao

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last 3 times i played exagryph i got like no zeus boons and if so not the attack one just special every time

broken girder
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You use the keepsake right?

cedar flame
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yeah

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i usually start with any god keepsake i want to get and switch to the acorn after megs

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meg*

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or well lets say after 1st boss

broken girder
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Damn you really are unlucky, but I think you can also take a god keepsake into asphodel so that you could go for smouldering air

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Or another duo boon

cedar flame
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well yeah might be

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i don't have any problems with hydra so i gonna try it

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i'm pretty proud on me lmao i didn't need any death defiance my last 3 runs

broken girder
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And you can also pop a lot of dd and then try to fill back up with Athena/well/pat

broken girder
cedar flame
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tyty

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last boss is pretty easy after getting used to him

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first times i got melted

broken girder
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Yeah

cedar flame
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i'm on it to unlock all hidden aspects rn

broken girder
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Nice they’re all fun

cedar flame
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i just have the spear yet i'm on shield rn but haven't got the right phrases yet unfortunately

broken girder
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They take time sometimes

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It took me 3 months for one

cedar flame
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damn what

broken girder
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Horrible rng but it usually doesn’t take that long

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Also I think you’re way beyond this channel

cedar flame
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oh rly? thought i still should be here because well

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i just have 14h playtime

broken girder
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This channel is for those who haven’t gotten a full clear yet I think

cedar flame
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ohh well makes sense

warm junco
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guys im stuck in elysium

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i get to the boss n by then im out of my defys and on 10 of 290 health

stoic raven
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play more, get better

warm junco
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its been 2 weeks n i joined this server now

stoic raven
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not much to help you with if you dont have a specific thing you struggle with

warm junco
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okok ill bne better

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but rq how many layers does the game have

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wati ill ask this in another caht

dusty vault
warm junco
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that things

dusty vault
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Yeah then 4 biomes/layers

warm junco
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okok ty

lofty urchin
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aim assist on or off for mnk

final dune
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on

lofty urchin
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how does special speed interact with ||aspect of zeus||? would it make the projectile faster or deal damage more frequently

dusty vault
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So nothing pretty much

leaden whale
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are u not playing alot or what

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bc if its like 2 games a day i get it but othervise i dont

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what weapon are you using

balmy geode
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how long did it take y'all to beat the game on your first run(beat final boss once)

dry sluice
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Define "on your first run" further croven

balmy geode
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i mean first save file

dry sluice
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Took me 35 runs I think?

balmy geode
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ahh okay

dry sluice
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After that is kinda snowballed though dusa

balmy geode
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cause im 15 or 16 runs in and have only defeated the minotaur once

balmy geode
twin lantern
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a lot of early runs are just recognizing what enemies do

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much easier to avoid them after that

dusty vault
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45th run here

dry sluice
twin lantern
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yup

balmy geode
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sometimes i lose myself in trying to not die that i fail to recognize enemy attack patterns

dry sluice
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mainly second dash and DDs, those are the ones that matter most

stoic raven
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about 17-20th run

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it is actually 22, but wouldve been much earlier if i didnt try to iframe them

sweet brook
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i saw on reddit someone took like 114 or something for their first clear

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so like just take your time lmao as long as you're enjoying the game you're fine

balmy geode
sweet brook
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oh nvm it was 144 times not 114

stoic raven
sweet brook
stoic raven
sweet brook
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whenever you dash, you get iframes

stoic raven
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"iframing" refers to trying to dodge attacks by using the invincibility from iframes

balmy geode
tribal tangle
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man, the minotaur is tough

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i died twice there, never killed it

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i dont know what the best weapon is... i dont like the spear at all, the shield is my go to but i dont think its the best

stoic raven
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note:
on shield, NEVER special unless its zeus shield

pseudo lava
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Any tips

stoic raven
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thats a spoiler

pseudo lava
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Mb

stoic raven
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also dont try to be next to himm

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and use the walls

pseudo lava
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Ok

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Is talos good for this or no

stoic raven
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finally, you can cancel the special from talos by dashing after using your special, so you can get the damage buff

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talos is garbage

pseudo lava
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I’m having fun personally

stoic raven
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use demeter fists

pseudo lava
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Pretty cool

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I’ll try

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Thank you

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I died 😭

abstract jetty
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Is the bow as bad as it feels to me, or am I just trash with it?

pseudo lava
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It’s a 2 phase right

cedar delta
abstract jetty
cedar delta
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You should be dash-striking like 99% of the time on bow

abstract jetty
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okay, I guess.

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Honestly STILL sounds garbage.

dusty vault
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For dash striking both normal atk boons and dash strike boons work for it

sweet brook
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lmao yeah

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the only boons that are specific to dash striking are various hammers (none for bow), hunter's dash, and chaos boons

abstract jetty
sweet brook
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i mean it definitely does

abstract jetty
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I used the fists with the Zeus chain lighting on attack boon, and my dash-attacks weren't chaining.

pseudo lava
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What would be better for just beating the game nemises sword or Demeter fists

dusty vault
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If dash strike didn't use your atk boon, Merciful end wouldn't work bouldy

sweet brook
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both will work fine if you build it right, just whatever you like more

pseudo lava
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Ok

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Need to research how to build 😭

tribal tangle
pseudo lava
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17 escape attempts and almost beat it 😭

dusty vault
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The boon you meant is thunder flourish/zeus special

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Wait do you have aspects unlocked?

tribal tangle
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ohh i see, i dont think i ever got that one

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its the one used in speedruns on shield correct ?

dusty vault
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That would be the 4th aspect

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Zeus is the 3rd one, costs 2 blood to unlock

tribal tangle
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so thats what the blood thingys are for

dusty vault
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Yeah

pseudo lava
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Eilysum was hard as hell

dusty vault
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Just keep unlocking weapons and you'll get them soon enough

pseudo lava
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I like using fists so I’ll get the Demeter aspect

tribal tangle
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where do you go to unlock aspects ?

dusty vault
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In the courtyard where the weapons are

cedar delta
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Select a weapon, then select it again!

dusty vault
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Also rail ain't garbage lol

dusty vault
sweet brook
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it's garbage if you dont build it right

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because all the rail aspects have like 1 specific core that makes them work

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and without it then it's garbage

tribal tangle
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i was mislead then, i upgraded my mirror instead of unlocking the rail... i guess aspects wouldve helped out a lot lol

dusty vault
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Unlocking mirror doesn't help much if you don't have the darkness

tribal tangle
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another question, when you get to the minotaur, who should you focus ?

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thesus right ? is that his name ?

dusty vault
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Nah go for asterius first

twin lantern
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heroes is asterius -> thesus

dusty vault
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Theseus just stay behind a pillar to dodge the throw

twin lantern
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asterius does the big damage, thesus controls the map

dusty vault
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Or watch the target on zag and dash when it gets, darker I think?

twin lantern
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in my experience it'll center and disappear, which is the perfect time to dash

visual oar
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Im confused with the coronacht ive got 3 of those titan blood thingys and I'm using a bow what should i upgrade into

stoic raven
stoic raven
visual oar
stoic raven
warm junco
leaden whale
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i just got good hammer for it

analog rampart
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hey

pseudo lava
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Is the gun a good weapon

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I just started using it and got a hammer

analog rampart
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what is the best weapon for start ?

stoic raven
pseudo lava
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What do I choose attack 50% damage to armor, special deals 300% more damage but hurts you or targeting system

stoic raven
stoic raven
pseudo lava
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Ight

stoic raven
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i would go with hazard

pseudo lava
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I’ll look up builds later for early game

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But how does a gun make sense in the lore 😭

stoic raven
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targeting is really good if you can make it to the 4th biome and are willing to use rng manipulation

sweet brook
stoic raven
analog rampart
stoic raven
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bow is nice

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just dashstrike

analog rampart
analog rampart
pseudo lava
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Got Poseidon boon between tempest flourish or Poseidon aid

stoic raven
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whats the third?

pseudo lava
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Sunken treasure

stoic raven
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sunken treasure is cool

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wait whats the rarities

pseudo lava
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Tempest rare, aid rare sunken treasure epic

stoic raven
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either sunken treasure or flourish

pseudo lava
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I’m still in Tartarus

stoic raven
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sunken treasure is good if you want the darkness/gemstones

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otherwise tempest flourish

pseudo lava
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Ight

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Now o got a Zeus boon between lighting strike Zeus aid or lighting reflex

stoic raven
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strike

pseudo lava
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Alright got another Poseidon boon

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First one is tempest strike but would replace lighting strike

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Oceans bounty

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Or hydraulic might

stoic raven
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bounty

pseudo lava
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Now I got a Demeter boon between crystal beam Demeter’s aid or killing freeze

tribal tangle
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what are the best aspects ? I know zeus's aspect is the best for the shield, how about the rest ?

dusty vault
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Stuff like poseidon/zag bow/zag rail are still decent

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And if you have it, hidden shield goes to best

tribal tangle
dusty vault
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Due to how limited blood is early game, check pins for a list of how much power you can expect from the aspects

tribal tangle
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okay

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Just trying some stuff out and Zeus's aspect paired with a doom boon on the special attack by ares is insane

maiden turtle
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So what type of game is hades?

twin lantern
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action roguelike

maiden turtle
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Can i spend many many hrs on it like on poe or something?

twin lantern
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well

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this isn't exactly a poe type game

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but depending on how far you want to push your skills there's plenty of content in this game

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not to mention a way better story than path of exile's kekw

maiden turtle
maiden turtle
twin lantern
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if... you want?

sweet brook
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you can if you like the game that much and want to push your skills that far

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some people have over a thousand

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i'm at 500ish myself

twin lantern
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this game is like 2000% simpler than poe

maiden turtle
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Cuz poe as isometric visual game is starting to be boring

twin lantern
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have you played other roguelikes?

tribal tangle
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what are duo boons for ? its when they have chemistry with other boons you have already ?

sweet brook
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kinda more or less

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it modifies some existing boon you have in some way to (generally) make it stronger

stoic raven
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sometimes theyre the core of a build

somber frigate
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You need specific boons from 2 gods to even get them, and they’re usually relevant to those boons

stoic raven
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other times just a bonus

maiden turtle
somber frigate
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except in like EA and a few other dio duos

maiden turtle
twin lantern
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thematically it's two gods cooperating with their mechanics to give bonuses

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unless it's like posiedon

somber frigate
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Hades is strictly a roguelite btw… slight name difference, larger gameplay implications

sweet brook
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first for a lot of top players too and they still play

tribal tangle
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damn

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died again against the minotaur

twin lantern
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heroes is a pretty big roadblock

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i remember constantly failing against them

tribal tangle
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yeah, its my 3rd time now lol

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First time i got obliterated, second time i got them both mid HP but it seems that it isn't the right approach. This time i almost killed the minotaur but i didnt have my death defiance, i lost it like a dummy

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next time i guess lol

leaden whale
#

what are the requirements for the first duo boon? i dont think im getting crazy unlucky bc im kinda early in hte game but i just cant seem to get any god to give me any duo boon

dusty vault
#

Most duos are obtained by having 1 core from each god (attack/cast/special/dash/call) and a healthy dose of luck

twin lantern
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if you have the codex from achilles it will tell you the prerequisites for each duo

dusty vault
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(assuming you have the upgrade)

tribal tangle
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i hate aphrodite so much holy

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i hate her

twin lantern
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aroace type beat

tribal tangle
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i gotta remember that when i have to choose between literally anyone or aphrodite i gotta pick her

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her heart following me around is so annoying

twin lantern
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it's definitely one of the more annoying trail obstacles

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you can dash through it to avoid taking damage

tribal tangle
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i mean

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sure

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but i still dont fully understand elysium's foes

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so i focus on them not aware that her heart is trailing me in case i stop dashing

lofty urchin
#

does attack speed make the rail reload faster?

lofty urchin
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if not does anything else?

final dune
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no

warm junco
vocal peak
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hiya ! im new and im wanting to learn the game

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does anyone have a general guide on what gods go best with each weapons ? ik u can play however u want

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but i have heard a few times that each weapon has a best set of gods to go for, or like poseidon is good for casting and such

balmy geode
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my i play mkb so that might be the reason

stoic raven
visual oar
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I have 477 of those purple rock thingys should i wait till i get 500 to get another death defiance or put it into privileged status/family favourite olympains favour/dark foresight

sweet brook
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probably another defiance

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after that i'd prioritize dark foresight

tribal tangle
#

let's say theoretically your game crashes mid run

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you gotta start again ?

stoic raven
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so you just have to redo your current chamber

tribal tangle
#

its whatever i got a similar if not better run, im in elysium with 75/150 with both my defiances left... might be the run i beat the heroes

cedar delta
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Force-closing the game by any means resets the run, it seems

tribal tangle
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yeah it seems like it too

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finally beat the heroes

raw coral
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congrats!

tribal tangle
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should go well, i think i got a good enough build

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oh my

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ended with 7 hp

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30 minutes total time of the run

raw coral
#

Nice and quick, ggs

tribal tangle
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idk how to put a spoiler tag lol, best to delete

cedar delta
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Double pipe on each end of your message! ||

raw coral
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On pc you can also select the text you wanna mark as a spoiler and click on the eye symbol before posting it

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Appreciate it tho!

stoic raven
vocal peak
little swift
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i saw a few hades streams, and i realized that the gui has borders. is this a mod?

faint umbra
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It’s just decorative bars for widescreens, since the game doesn’t support widescreen

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Ph wait I misunderstood drastically

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No it’s all things you can buy in-game

little swift
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i saw on reddit you can get it from house contractor

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nvm found it

peak tartan
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the latin in your bio is spelled wrong

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idk who you are but ur profile was on my screen for some reason and i noticed it

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@storm remnant

edgy zinc
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what's the most efficient use of the colourful gems||(i forgot what they're called)||? I've been just using them to trade for cthonic keys

twin lantern
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gems are used to buy work orders from the house contractor

edgy zinc
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OK thank you

abstract jetty
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How does one get Titan blood, beyond the first few you get for whomping Tartarsauce bosses?

little swift
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by beating the game and getting ||pact of punishment||

somber frigate
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And a few other sources that are outside of me mentioning without spoilering them

cedar delta
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Don't forget 🎣!

still ice
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Coming back to the game for the first time since Early Access!
Weird question, but: Should I be concerned about missing content if I progress too fast? Like, is it possible to leapfrog over story checkpoints if I beat 2 new bosses in a row?

faint umbra
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dialogue may be a bit out of order but its not possible to miss anything

still ice
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Nice~! Thanks!

visual oar
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Just did my first run and beat hades with a bow and the aspect of hera, I wanna start using a new weapon and have 1 titans blood any suggestions

vocal peak
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is the ||theseus|| fight even possible ?

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i have died more on this fight thaan i have probably every other fight combined

visual oar
vocal peak
#

i have also tried goin ||theseus|| first

visual oar
visual oar
vocal peak
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i have all 3, but im using the single use one

visual oar
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Do you die after killing the ||minotaur|| to ||thesues|| or just dying to the ||minotaur||?

vocal peak
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the M isnt killing me, its literally just T, sometimes after i kill M, sometimes while im killing M

visual oar
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What weapon are you using

dusty vault
#

For dealing with theseus I find it easier to stand next him so he does the spin attack and dash through him

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Leaves his back exposed and at close enough distance so he does the spin again

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Repeat until death

vocal peak
dusty vault
#

Also while he's doing the call he's completely exposed to dmg

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So if you have a call you can burst him down there so no need to deal with the shield/extra AoE from the gods

visual oar
unique shadow
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Yeah, if you have troubles with T, athenas dash should be great.

twin lantern
#

heroes fight is probably one of the larger roadblocks i faced at the start

sweet brook
#

Yeah def a pretty common road block

hushed hull
#

i can attest to that

vocal peak
cedar delta
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Are you consistently keeping a pillar between you and T while you fight M?

vocal peak
#

its just such n insane feeling roadblock,,, i have died to all 3 furies maybe,, 4 or 5 times between them? bone hydra twice, and theseus like,,, 8-10 times ?

vocal peak
cedar delta
#

Are you dashing very intentionally to reposition or dodge instead of dashing randomly?

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Can you post examples of your builds going into the fight? If your damage is low, you'll probably get chipped down

vocal peak
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is there any way to see past builds ?

cedar delta
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Yes if you've unlocked the Admin Chambers

vocal peak
#

the wwhat ?

cedar delta
#

Oh.

vocal peak
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i had 5% crit chance on any hit, crit marking nearby enemies, i had the 0.5s delay but more doom damage, doom on taking damage, lighting attack, athena dodge, the special explosion on fists, the heavy kick on fists,

dusty vault
vocal peak
#

ouhh i didnt see that ! its locked D:

dusty vault
#

One of the work orders should give you access to it

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I think it appears after the flashback in the same place?

vocal peak
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in what tab do u know ?

dusty vault
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All of that stuff is in the main one

vocal peak
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oooh i have only had 1 flashback so far D:

dusty vault
#

The rest is pure cosmetics

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How many runs have you done so far btw

hushed hull
#

speaking of work orders, how many do i need to apply to the lounge to fulfill that prophecy?

dusty vault
#

Dusa's prophecy?

hushed hull
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ye

dusty vault
#

30 iirc

cedar delta
vocal peak
dusty vault
#

Go back to the main menu if you don't have the pool in zag's bedroom

dusty vault
vocal peak
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27 attempts

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2573 total darkness

dusty vault
#

Huh, thought the 2nd flashback showed up earlier

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Also what defiance are you using in the mirror

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Even if no ideal to lose all 3 on heroes it could get you past them for now

vocal peak
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just swapped to this

#

wanted more hp aand deep pockets, so im savin the last of my darkness for the third and final dd

dusty vault
#

Oh that's perfect then

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Just in case remember to refund any darkness you have in skills you aren't using for now

vocal peak
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so true

dusty vault
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Idk if you did or not so might as well say it

vocal peak
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i have yea lol

dusty vault
#

Ah aight

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But yeah go for the 3rd dd then go for foresight I'd say

sweet brook
vocal peak
twin lantern
#

priviliged status gives you 40% damage while enemies have 2 curses on them

#

if you don't have 2 curses it's pointless

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family favorites gives you 5% damage per god boon you have which will math out to 25%-30% over the run

sweet brook
#

fam faves is a lot more consistent and you can get to 25% by the end of the run

#

and overall, the 15% difference isn't that big of a deal

twin lantern
#

you also see benefits much earlier with family favorite

sweet brook
#

also fam favs is active from the start of the run, priv status needs to wait a while

twin lantern
#

5-10% damage in tartarus may be enough to change hits to kill

sweet brook
#

some builds can make use of pstatus, but it's a very slim pool of builds

vocal peak
#

what uhhhh,,,

#

the first boon and i kinda dont want any of these ?

dusty vault
#

what weapon

vocal peak
#

also wtf is that luck ?

#

bow

dusty vault
#

ouch

vocal peak
#

i was hopin just for doom on attack

#

yea lol

dusty vault
#

ares with bow is uh

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a choice

vocal peak
#

ig ill go cast ?

#

ooh i thought it was good :((

#

i usually just go zeus and then artemis

dusty vault
#

anyways I'd go cast and somehow make hunting blades work with this

vocal peak
#

but i wanted to switch it up

dusty vault
#

or just take special to sell it later

dusty vault
#

zeus at most you would use him to fill cast or call

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(and tbf their duo is quite good)

vocal peak
#

i never use bow tbh i just chose it bc it has that darkness thingy

dusty vault
#

ah fair

#

zeus makes more sense if you are using him on other weapons

vocal peak
#

ig ill use this run for a cast build ? how do i do a cast build ? :0

dusty vault
#

but the tl;dr for choosing gods
fast and weak hits? add zeus or dio or ares

#

slow but heavy hits go for a god that adds a % to your attack (mainly arte or aphro)

vocal peak
#

oooh ok thank u

#

thats good advice !

dusty vault
#

and also visit chaos for +1 cast or cast dmg

vocal peak
#

i have a chaos here rn !

dusty vault
#

although considering this is bow if you get a good hammer you can go back to normal bow build

vocal peak
dusty vault
#

I'd take hammer there

vocal peak
#

which one do u think would be smartest

#

real ok ty

dusty vault
#

also is this bow with any aspect?

#

or default

vocal peak
#

i wwas alaso thinkin hammer

#

no aspect

dusty vault
#

aight

#

oh yeah for bow

#

never do normal attacks

#

just do dash strikes

#

they charge faster for a bit less dmg

vocal peak
#

das strikes ?

#

dash *

#

like dash attack ?

#

or dash special

dusty vault
#

dash then attack yeah

vocal peak
#

are any of these good ? :0

twin lantern
#

explosive and charged volley are both interesting options

dusty vault
#

explosive is ideal as a 2nd hammer but it should work

#

well not ideal, better

sweet brook
#

Just get the good hammer second

vocal peak
#

ouu ill go explosive thank u

#

sry i never use the bow or the gun lol

dusty vault
#

now def get used to dash strikes

vocal peak
#

so i have no idea on what im even doin here

dusty vault
#

default bow is a rhythm game

#

after you clear the room might wanna just practice dash strike powershots

vocal peak
#

oh i already have the timing down

#

can get it every single time

dusty vault
#

tho with explosive also consider just releasing before power shots

vocal peak
#

not 2 brag

#

oh why ?

dusty vault
#

don't wanna get caught by an enemy

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cuz the slower charge time

twin lantern
#

explosive deals turbo damage anyways and if you get hit you lose your charge

dusty vault
#

and explosive does its good chunk of dmg anyways yeah

vocal peak
#

real ok thank u all :D

#

have been very helpful !

dusty vault
#

Have fun

#

Just find aphro or artemis for their atk now

vocal peak
#

jus got poseidon, is hyrdraulic might even any good ? i have picked it a few times and in some areas the first 6 seconds are spend runnin toward the enemies lol

#

especiaally in asphodel

#

i think ill just go for the increase to loot he has

#

he third is jus a special buff

twin lantern
#

it's like

#

not consequential

dusty vault
#

hydro is fine but building mirror faster will help in the long run

vocal peak
#

real

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ill get more loot ty :D

twin lantern
#

ngl just looking at what you hit it looks like a go lose angle

#

just hit shops and buy as many meta resources as you can

vocal peak
#

yea i have a mini boss dion or a shop

#

just gonna take shop

#

164 obols so i can get somethin good from it for sure

dusty vault
vocal peak
#

unless dion is good for bows he is right ?

#

or is he good for fast weak weapons i cant remember lemme scroll up

dusty vault
#

he works but not on default bow

vocal peak
#

ill go shop and hope for art or aph

#

hermes :((

dusty vault
#

hermes is great

vocal peak
#

oh real ? :0

dusty vault
#

hermes is always good

vocal peak
#

oooh ok :0

dusty vault
#

the "best" is either +dashes (movement for both dmg and dodging)

vocal peak
#

:0

#

YEA I GOT THAT ONE

#

AS AN EPIC

#

pog

twin lantern
#

hermes will always show up in your runs

#

the game tries to force you to get 2 hermes boons generally

dusty vault
#

or the combo of hyper sprint (+100% move speed after dashing) and rush delivery (bonus speed is converted into dmg)

dusty vault
#

main difference is that 2nd hammer only shows up from elysium and forward

#

hermes can show up from aspho (and can get it in tart through chaos gates shenanigans)

vocal peak
#

mini boss art up ahead :D

twin lantern
#

is that why i see hermes in shops in tart

#

cuz i went through chaos?

vocal peak
#

i hate hermes tbh he always takes what i want from keepsakes !

dusty vault
#

nah first hermes is normal in tart

twin lantern
#

ok cool

dusty vault
twin lantern
#

uh what

dusty vault
#

if you take a god keepsake into aspho hermes can just show up first anyways

#

he even comments on it

vocal peak
dusty vault
#

"oh were you expecting someone else?"

vocal peak
#

is there a reason why im like

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gettin so many epics

twin lantern
#

god's pride?

dusty vault
#

simply better at the game

twin lantern
#

wait you probably don't have that unlock yet whoopsie

vocal peak
#

YEA i hate when he is like "oh btw artemis is lookin for you" like yea ik i called for her ,,,,,,,,,

dusty vault
#

they just unlocked up to foresight I think

twin lantern
#

surprise tool that will help you later

vocal peak
#

deadly strike gonna be best here right ?

twin lantern
#

yes click attack boost

vocal peak
#

it hurts too pass up oon an epic but ,,, its not as good

twin lantern
#

ehhh

dusty vault
twin lantern
#

pp at this point is 4% crit vs 15% crit 27% damage

dusty vault
#

so if you take chaos at ch12, now you extend tart by an extra chamber

#

and then you are deep enough in the biome that 2nd hermes can show up

twin lantern
#

does that change how many chambers are in other biomes or is it just a free reward room

dusty vault
#

yeah it does change

#

if you did tart extension then the last combat of aspho and ely would be 23/35

vocal peak
#

just got hunters mark from charons shop :3

dusty vault
#

nice

#

you can put some pom levels on hunter's now

#

don't bother poming atk

#

it barely has any effect

vocal peak
#

omg the bow is stron

#

that was my fastest boss kill yet lol

vocal peak
#

how come ? :0o

#

just purged blade rift cast thingy

twin lantern
#

the % bonus you get from arte attack level ups is very mediocre

dusty vault
#

yup

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for more dmg just visit any nearby chaos gate

twin lantern
#

tossing blade rift with arte core is not ideal

dusty vault
twin lantern
#

if you hit hunting blades (arte + ares duo) that would've been a go win angle

dusty vault
#

tho that means you can't get divine dash if you like the safety

dusty vault
vocal peak
#

also is there a best meal from eurydice ?

dusty vault
#

nectar usually

vocal peak
#

ouu ok

dusty vault
#

better hermes/chaos/duos chance

vocal peak
#

i just passed up hermes for her lol

#

ill go for that

dusty vault
#

he'll show up again anyways

vocal peak
#

i think i only have 2 boons that can be affected by the ambrosia

dusty vault
#

also better to have nectar before hermes

#

he has lower rarity chance than the other gods

dusty vault
vocal peak
#

just got art right out of eurydice :D

#

im assuming dash strike as im usin bow

#

but i just wanna double check as that bottom one seems like it could do a big poof of damg

dusty vault
#

Is not much really

vocal peak
#

ooh ok D:

sweet brook
#

i'd take clean kill just for the prophecy tbh lmao

twin lantern
#

crits deal +200% damage so ck bumps it to 230%

vocal peak
#

uhhh, a 50 obol pom slice ?

twin lantern
#

i think that's roughly like a 7-8% damage increase overall assuming you don't have other forms of crit

#

hits random boon

vocal peak
#

ouhh ok

sweet brook
vocal peak
#

ill get the rando pom :D

#

hunters mark it upgraded

twin lantern
#

i generally buy random pom unless i have a lot of dead hits

vocal peak
#

someone rlly wants 2 get in contact i fink,,,,,,,,

#

she totally wants me

sweet brook
#

the funny option here is to buy the aphrodite boon, get passion dash, and then get heart rend from the miniboss

vocal peak
#

idk what that means :0

#

ill do it tho

#

i love aphrodite she is my bae

sweet brook
#

aphrodite dash opens up the duo heart rend

dusty vault
#

Heartrend is their duo boon

#

If enemy has weak > take +150% more crit dmg

vocal peak
#

passion dash done got

#

oh daamn

dusty vault
#

And aphro's dash is the easiest way to apply weak with bow

sweet brook
#

it's a bit scuffed in the sense that you'll have to dash through enemies to proc weak and then crit them after that lmao

vocal peak
#

that sounds strong

sweet brook
#

it's a pretty good duo yeah

vocal peak
#

i didnt get that duo

#

but

#

i did get

twin lantern
#

no passion dance?

vocal peak
twin lantern
#

unlucky

vocal peak
#

sweet surrender

sweet brook
#

that's not bad yeah

twin lantern
#

sweet surrender angle yeah

#

i always wondered, is enemies take % more damage multiplicative or additive with regular % damage?

sweet brook
#

should be additive

vocal peak
#

i just did 586 crit damage on a weak skele dude

twin lantern
#

that's kinda crazy actually

vocal peak
#

that was pretty neat

sweet brook
#

crit moment

dusty vault
#

Crit explosive moment

twin lantern
#

most games i play, "take more damage" debuffs multiply with "deal more damage" buffs

#

😵

#

hades really said "do not multiply any damage in this game"

dusty vault
#

The only difference for enemies take more dmg here is for non zag sources lol

#

Traps doing +22% more dmg is game changing

sweet brook
#

so is damage reduction

twin lantern
#

trap damage vs zag is multiplicative?

dusty vault
#

Stygian shards is multi

#

Idk about vs zag

vocal peak
#

what second hammer am i lookin for for bow ?

#

i have a choice of perfect, point blank or sniper

#

imma go perfect

dusty vault
#

Either perfect or point blank work

vocal peak
#

pls,,,,

#

i got the cool duo

#

but this is my first legendary ,,,,,,,,,

sweet brook
#

duo gud

sweet brook
#

there's no prophecy thingy next to unhealthy fixation

twin lantern
#

you may need the proph for legendary boons active first

vocal peak
#

i have gotten that one b4

#

but i havent hda the legendary version

dusty vault
#

Prophecy shows up after picking the legendary iirc

vocal peak
#

i got heart rend

twin lantern
#

heartrend is just better in this scenario

vocal peak
#

so like hermes or pom ?

#

probably pom right

twin lantern
#

hermes

vocal peak
#

imma go pom it makes the most sense

#

oh

dusty vault
#

Just get him out of the way now

vocal peak
#

hermes boons are always usually very weak for me :((

twin lantern
#

you don't seem to have very useful poms either way

vocal peak
#

ouu ok ill do dat

twin lantern
#

hermes boons are excellent unless he gives you rather mediocre ones

#

he'll keep showing up either way but if you hit hyper sprint or ms or whatever you're gaming

vocal peak
#

i got mediocre ones

#

swift flourish, greater haste, greater evasion

#

ig ill go evasion

dusty vault
#

Yeah might as well

vocal peak
#

just died D:

dusty vault
#

Ouch

#

What killed ya

vocal peak
#

shield guy

#

so who is yr fav fury ?

#

i like them all but i think tisiphone

#

she is very strange and doesnt say much but i like her i think she means well :3

dusty vault
#

Meg

#

Tis is funny

hushed hull
#

||persephone|| may be zag's mother but meg is mommy

vocal peak
cedar delta
#

Oh hecc is she? I'd never noticed!

#

No wait she has shiny bronze boots

hushed hull
#

yeah zag and hades are tho

#

no wait those boots are just shin guards

#

she barefooting it

#

thats not the image discord

cedar delta
hushed hull
#

all the furies are as a matter of fact

cedar delta
#

Hah! I wonder what else has slipped my notice

hushed hull
#

well i just looked at a bunch of model sheets on the wiki and nobody is wearing any shoes

#

(nyx and charon are indeterminate because of their robes)

cedar delta
#

I must needs rewatch Hades 2 trailer and check for shoes or lack thereof!

vocal peak
#

there is also a lot of close up feet shots :D

cedar delta
#

Oh I never noticed those either huh

upbeat spoke
#

well Mel has same burning feet as Zag, I don't think she'd be able to wear shoes if she wanted to

#

I think Achilles at least has shoes

cedar delta
#

Hecking Mel's feet should've been obvious: they're really bright

#

I guess I really, really just don't pay attention to feet

vocal peak
vocal peak
upbeat spoke
#

huh

#

well if anyone was wearing shoes I would've said Achilles so I guess yeah no one has shoes in this game

cedar delta
#

I suppose Patroclus might also have shoes then!

vocal peak
#

idk who dat is

upbeat spoke
#

if Achilles doesn't I doubt Patty does

cedar delta
#

Oh darn it

#

SGG has some explaining to do

vocal peak
#

i would assume patro doesnt

vocal peak
cedar delta
#

Shoes aren't comfy

vocal peak
#

yeaa fr thats exactly it little rat friend !

upbeat spoke
#

well there was a point where they were considering making most if not all the characters naked

#

so barefoot is still fine

cedar delta
upbeat spoke
#

impossibru

dusty vault
#

should spoiler that one dusa

cedar delta
#

Oops you're right!

visual oar
#

Is aspect of achilles any good

cedar delta
#

Yeah, it's really good especially when its bonus is spent on casts

sweet brook
#

can be a bit difficult to use but it's quite good

vocal peak
#

dawg can u imagine sein tisiphones saggy hangers slopping around as she screams bloody murder ?!?

#

the DREAM

sterile mica
#

achilles is my favourite aspect

vocal peak
sterile mica
vocal peak
#

zag just begged to get railed wtf ?

#

also wwhats the best starting keepsake for the gun ?

#

lightin / zues i assume

sterile mica
#

yes get as much zeus as possible- jolted, double strike, splitting are all great

#

aphrodite is good for the special, and then you can aim for smouldering air with zeus's aid

vocal peak
#

ouu oky thank u ! :D

#

who is yr favourite fury ?

#

god damn rlly ?

#

couldnt even get the base attack boon ?

#

so sad

sterile mica
#

That sucks

#

I would take the cast I guess

vocal peak
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yea dats what i took

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what are the best hammers for the gun ?

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i have never rlly used it so idk anythin abt it !

sweet brook
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is this base rail?

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no aspect?

vocal peak
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hazard looks best

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i believe so yes

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yea no asapect

sweet brook
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hazard then yeah

vocal peak
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aspect

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real oky :3

sweet brook
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unfortunate you didn't get the attack lmao

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3/4 chance moment

stoic raven
vocal peak
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im gettin like 1.3k damage on my special ,,,

sweet brook
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hazard bomb momnet

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hazard bomb is pretty good yeah