h1-for-new-players

[slow brook]

did you take a look at the context?

[velvet chasm]

playing the devil's advocate, i think it can be pretty productive for people to discuss what's bad about the game lmao. if enough people complain then clearly the game has done something wrong (not the case this time but oh well)

[final dune]

beat new ||heat|| levels

[hazy fjord]

also make my weapons do more dps ?

[slow brook]

damn I guess people flamming me is allowed lol

[faint umbra]

Again there is no rule against not liking the game

[hazy fjord]

oh those seem challengingthough lol

[faint umbra]

And I said minutes ago to keep this discussion civil

[slow brook]

this is why I stay away from the community of games cause I can't even have a discussion, is that so hard?

[final dune]

check #h1-high-heat-strategies pins for a guide on increasing it

[faint umbra]

Don’t twist my words as well.

[slow brook]

That is what I was trying to do but unfortunately its a game server

[final dune]

this game literally has the nicest community i've ever seen

[slow brook]

I literally have not being doing that at all

[hazy fjord]

thx man

[slow brook]

To me that has not been the case so far

[final dune]

it just turns out that when you come in and say things intended to make people argue that most people disagree with you'll get a response

[faint umbra]

I would recommend ending this discussion here, honestly, it’s going nowhere

[final dune]

i mean the game isnt being updated anymore

[slow brook]

there is a difference between disagreeing and full arguing
I already gave my points as to why I don't like the game
end of conversation since its clear nothing is happening

[final dune]

also i have seen very little complaint about most stuff from like casual side

[faint umbra]

Yep. Thanks

[final dune]

once you get into more difficult stuff there are perhaps a few

issues 🗿

[hazy fjord]

nothing is wrong literally practice I sucked so much this was my first rogue lite and I still beat it

[faint umbra]

It took me a lot of attempts to get past the first boss even

[ivory ocean]

so anyway my switch got stolen when i moved and i'm thinking about getting it steam deck. does it play well on it?

[hazy fjord]

ima be honest I dont like ||theseus|| fight lol

[sweet brook]

most dont lol

[velvet chasm]

nobody does

[slow brook]

Imma go now bye strange humans

[velvet chasm]

have a good day

[faint umbra]

I played it on steam deck just a little and it feels awesome

[hazy fjord]

bro I swear Ilose more lives on him then any other boss and dps isjust garbage during the boss lol

[faint umbra]

Sorry about your switch though D:

[sweet brook]

theseus is a pain in the ass early game, generally not too difficult if the bull is out of the picture lmao

[final dune]

https://youtu.be/PlsjyG6ww-A?t=772

[hazy fjord]

oh dope did u beat it on there cause I got one toowas going to check it out

[velvet chasm]

I've probably died to thesus more than final boss. i dont even struggle with final boss idk why, his patterns are super slow

[sweet brook]

was that a pp crit on the bull

[final dune]

mark or attack

it was a cshot crit

and he had mark

[sweet brook]

the crit number already came up tho

[final dune]

so maybe heroes could go to like 3.2 seconds lol

[hazy fjord]

can uexplain how this was done lol ?

[final dune]

just a lot of damage

[sweet brook]

rush delivery and copius ignited ichors

[hazy fjord]

how that much dps

[final dune]

that much is exorbitant

but it's reasonable to attain a less good build that can still do a 4.x heroes

[hazy fjord]

I need that

[faint umbra]

I beat it a lot of times on PC, I have it on switch but haven’t finished a run on it or steam deck bc the controls were hard for me to get used to. If you play with controller you’ll have an easier time to begin with

[sweet brook]

rush delivery transfers movement speed (multiplicative from sources) into global damage

in the clip you can see jazz going pretty fast

[hazy fjord]

where do I get those

[sweet brook]

ichors are from charon wells

rush delivery is from hermes

[hazy fjord]

thats the movement buff right

[sweet brook]

hyper sprint -> rush delivery, both from hermes

yeah

[ivory ocean]

i played it mostly on switch so i'm used to it on controller

[hazy fjord]

is that the shop

[sweet brook]

no

the purple wells

[hazy fjord]

oh

[ivory ocean]

waiting for that holiday sale now

[hazy fjord]

wait but how does that do damage

[sweet brook]

hyper sprint is +100% movement speed

and movement speed is multiplicitive

so you get stupid numbers

[hazy fjord]

wait what

so ifI get that buff its over

[sweet brook]

well

the only reason why jazz is doing that much damage in that clip is because of like... 6 ichors or something?

which isn't practical

[hazy fjord]

what do ichors do ?

[sweet brook]

hyper sprint + rush delivery on a normal build wont do that

[sweet brook]

+20% movement speed each

[final dune]

1.2x

[sweet brook]

oh yeah duh

[hazy fjord]

wait so movement speed also increases ur damage

[sweet brook]

so like the movement speed is like mathwise 1+1*(1.2^6) or something lmao

might be 2*whatever

but you get the idea

[sweet brook]

if you get rush delivery

[hazy fjord]

what does rush delivery do ?

[sweet brook]

any bonus movement speed you have will become a 50/75/100/125% global damage boost

so say like

[hazy fjord]

wtf

lol

[sweet brook]

if you only have hyper sprint

[hazy fjord]

I need that

[sweet brook]

and common rush delivery

[hazy fjord]

is that from hermes

[sweet brook]

and your normal attack does 100 damage, that's 50 bonus damage basically

[cedar delta]

Don't we all...don't we all...

[sweet brook]

yes

hyper sprint and rush delivery are both from hermes

[hazy fjord]

hermes everytime it is

[sweet brook]

you need hyper sprint (or greater haste) before you can get rush delivery

[hazy fjord]

does it work for all weapons

[sweet brook]

yeah that's why hermes is so important in runs lol

[sweet brook]

yes

every aspect wants that

some aspects can get good or better mileage out of more dashes tho

depends on dash rarity at that point

[cedar delta]

Nemememesis!

[hazy fjord]

ima be honest artemis

is not good

[sweet brook]

she's good for crit and that's it lmao

and opening duos

[cedar delta]

And for saying funny things

[sweet brook]

true

[cedar delta]

Socially awkward mega relatable goddess

[hazy fjord]

I dont like zeus too much either

[sweet brook]

aight packrat you explain why arty is good on nemesis i gotta shower lmao

oh and explain why zeus is good while i'm gone lmao

[cedar delta]

Okay!

I'll do ya proud, coach!

[hazy fjord]

for a fist run and spear run what do I want to go for mainly ?

[cedar delta]

Artemis is great when you have high base damage doing, especially with Chaos boons, because crit is multiplicative. If you get a high crit % chance, especially on Zagbow and Nemesis, you can get silly numbers pretty regularly

Zeus has loads and loads of flat damage primary and secondary (and legendary and duo) boons, so any weapon that hits rapidly can absolutely spit lightning at things

Fist: Zeus. Unless Demeter, then Zeus on Attack and Artemis or Aphrodite on Special

[sweet brook]

cough cough ME cough cough

[cedar delta]

Noooo! I've failed you, Bananas

[hazy fjord]

what about spear ?

[cedar delta]

Heavily dependent on the aspect

[hazy fjord]

what are chaos boons ?

[cedar delta]

Boons from Chaos

[hazy fjord]

oh I dont do him much

[cedar delta]

Chaos is very much worth visiting!

Caveat: maybe not right before a boss when you don't want a debuff

[hazy fjord]

he makes the game even harder lol

[faint umbra]

They can give very powerful boons if you can handle the downside for a few rooms

[hazy fjord]

can u give me some good spear builds since im trying to beat game with it lol

[faint umbra]

I liked the achilles aspect, if you have it

Just pick a powerful cast to go with it

[cedar delta]

It depends heavily on the aspect. There's such a variety I feel it might be easier just to link this list of builds: https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-build-guide

[hazy fjord]

what isthis ?

[faint umbra]

Oh, my bad

[patent meteor]

They’re conditional boons where if you pass the challenge it says it increases an aspect or does something

[hazy fjord]

is it thetype of spear

[faint umbra]

yep, you’ll see it if you unlock all weapons

[hazy fjord]

I already did but how do I change the different types of spears ?

[velvet chasm]

hades speedrunners don't shower, nice try

[hazy fjord]

I seriously wish I could do more dps with spear but it just feels so weak lol

[velvet chasm]

after you equip the weapon, if you click on it again, it'll open the menu. there u can change the aspect of the weapon, each weapon has 3 aspects + 1 hidden one

[sweet brook]

bold of you to assume i'm a good enough speedrunner to not shower

[sweet brook]

lmao it's fine zeus is way more consistent anyways

[hazy fjord]

How do u get hidden one ?

Also how do u hey Meg call ability?

[sweet brook]

pinned in #h1-story-discussion if you want it asap, otherwise you can do the typical strat of "f around and find out" and you'll eventually get it

[sweet brook]

max bond with meg basically

so it'll be a bit lmao

[rose scarab]

Yeah it takes a sec

[languid spear]

You guys have any tips for defeating minotaur and Theseus? Even with 3 death defiance, I haven't been able to

[patent meteor]

Prioritise killing the Minotaur first because his Theseus’ phase two makes multitasking extremely difficult

If you want any tips on the Minotaur itself on phase one he has two different moves the charge one and the one where he jumps at you so pay attention to his animations as it’s a strong indicator on which attack he’s doing (if he’s running in place he’s going to charge and if he suddenly jumps up at the map he’s going to jump) dodge immediately if he jumps and hide behind the nearest pillar if he’s going to charge

[languid spear]

Thx. Didn't thought hiding behind pillar was an option 😅

[patent meteor]

Phase two is more or less the same (from what I remember) it’s just the jumps are more frequent and has a shorter window between so it takes a bit of practice to get used to dodging it by instinct and as for Theseus dodge behind pillars and dash quick if you see the arrow (multitasking may take a while to get used to but you’ll get used to it pretty quickly) phase two of Theseus changes between runs (not spoiling how) so you’ll have to see for yourself

[patent meteor]

Yeah it took me quite a while to discover that oh but note if you hide behind the brown pillars it does break and it respawns after a bit but the blue one doesn’t

[languid spear]

Ah, alright. Will try doing this next time👍.

[patent meteor]

Good luck and hope it goes well!

[hazy fjord]

How do I switch the variety type of weapon

[sweet brook]

interact with the weapon again in the courtyard

[hazy fjord]

bro wtf ||I fought charon|| hes so hard

got destroyed

[stoic raven]

just a lot of damage

[hazy fjord]

I wasn't ready lo

lol

but also how do u dodge ||purple smoke||

[cedar delta]

Dash right through it

[hazy fjord]

I’ll never steal again

[karmic cave]

Well, Hermes made a bet that you could beat him twice in a row so now you need do it.

[urban sequoia]

That happened to me once but it never happened again idk why, ||those 300 coins behind him don't appear anymore||

I guess I need to give him more gifts

[hazy fjord]

lmaooo i had such a good build going too

[faint umbra]

they can only appear in a mid-biome shop, not the end one

and its a 20% or so of it showing up

so keeping that in mind you will probably find it more if you go for that intentionally

but its still not guaranteed

[urban sequoia]

Yeah I avoid shops a lot so I guess that's the issue

[faint umbra]

thats what i figured :D

[urban sequoia]

I tend to hoard 1,2k so I can buy the titan blood at the end

So I don't need to give him gifts right?

[faint umbra]

i also did that lol but then i found the joys of a really powerful build with a lot of boons and i could not go back

no, you can gift him if you want but past the first heart i dont think theres much

[urban sequoia]

Alr thanks

I like buying stuff but I want that platinum trophy too so I can't avoid that purchase

[hazy fjord]

that fight is hard too

[urban sequoia]

The one time I fought him I had bow

Mf had no chance 😈

But yeah if I got him with sword or fists it would've probably been bad lmao

[upbeat spoke]

he's slow but hits like a truck

[patent meteor]

The power of the bow is unmatched

[little jetty]

what happens when ||you beat hedes with heat||

I just ||beat him for the first time and unlocked the pact and now what happens when i beat him with the pact?||

[dusty vault]

defeating a boss for the first time with a weapon will give you their bounty (blood/diamond/ambrosia/blood in order) but after that defeating them again with the same weapon will only give darkness.

So ||if you use heat, the bounties are reset and you can get them again, so add 1 and boom, new bounties. After that if you managed to defeath hades again you would need to increase the heat 2 to get new bounties and so on.||

[leaden whale]

im about to get hades🔥🔥🔥

[dusty vault]

||if you don't manage to complete the run, you can't get the bounties for heat 2, doing a heat 2 run anyways and completing it will give you the bounties of heat 1. Then you could get the bounties of heat 2||

[urban sequoia]

Gameplay wise somenoobdying explained it well, story wise it doesn't actually matter ||wether you use heat or not||

So just keep playing and see how the story unfolds

[velvet chasm]

wait you can't complete the story without ever using the pact of punishment tho, can you? you won't have enough ambrosia

[tall osprey]

You could get it with the broker

[urban sequoia]

Why do you need ambrosia to finish the game?

||talking about regular ending, not epilogue of course||

[faint umbra]

i am pretty sure you dont

[broken girder]

A ton of keys and nectar could do it

Along with an occasional diamond at ||styx||

[urban sequoia]

I mean still, why?

As far as I remember ||you just need to beat Hades and talk to Persephone 10 times||

[dusty vault]

||credits can be done without ambrosia yeah, epilogue needs a lot, but you still don't need to use the pact if you want, just gonna take a while through the other methods mentioned||

[urban sequoia]

Oh I see, well yeah ||if you're going for epilogue without PoP it's gonna take years lmao||

[gaunt dawn]

when i see that tree girl i forgot her name, is it better to get the meal that upgrades some of your blessings to the next rarity?

or the one that makes future blessings have a bigger rarity

[craggy peak]

Depends

if you don’t have enough boons to level up with the Pom one, and rarity won’t help do nectar I guess

Usually if you have 4 boons that can level up I would take the Pom one

If you don’t have that many, and you’re using something that could use a rarity boost like ares attack I would do the ambrosia

don’t take my word for it though

Not a expert

[gaunt dawn]

me neither

i just always try to get as many blessings as i can

and when get a pom i just pom my main attack

[dusty vault]

90% of the time you want refreshing nectar

It helps with hermes/chaos and getting duos/legendaries

[gaunt dawn]

isnt there a channel with image perms? or do i need a role

it would make it more easy to talk about builds

[faint umbra]

You can embed images

[patent meteor]

I mean I somehow managed to do it without using any high heat it’s just it takes much longer and would take a lot more runs to finish than if you were to just increase the heat

[gaunt dawn]

talos or demeter aspect for fist

[final dune]

demeter

[viscid notch]

Demeter is stronger overall, but you can make fun builds with both

[gaunt dawn]

so

weapons like fist/rail are bad with % boons, but that only applies to main attack?

can i give % boons to the special?

[final dune]

generally you'd prefer to yes

because fists and rail special hit slowly

but have high base damage

[gaunt dawn]

i cant really pick a God for blood stone or dash because all of them seem kinda the same for me

[dusty vault]

dash is pretty much always pos or athena

dmg vs defense your choice

[gaunt dawn]

blood stone i think the best is demeter

[dusty vault]

(sometimes hunter on like bow, sword)

[gaunt dawn]

that laser is very powerful

[final dune]

that's actually the worst one

[gaunt dawn]

what a surprise

me being wrong

[sweet brook]

unless you're doing a cast centric build, you want to take a cast that lodges so you can make use of boiling blood

so like not having a cast would be better than demeter's cast unironically lmao

[gaunt dawn]

whatever it takes to beat this game

[gaunt dawn]

so if you have boiling blood, blood stones like ares,dionisio and demeter are useless?

as far as i remember those dont attach to the enemy

[sweet brook]

the other way around

if you have ares, dio, or demeter cast, boiling blood is useless

[gaunt dawn]

well yeah thats what i said

ok il keep it in mind

[sweet brook]

well no you had it backwards

those casts aren't useless because of boiling blood

because you can still have boiling blood but still use them in other cast centric builds

[gaunt dawn]

whats a good amount of max health you should have by the end

i assume a 100

if you start with base health

[dusty vault]

whatever you are comfortable with

[gaunt dawn]

100 because i like that number lol

[dusty vault]

I mean if you are good enough to chill with that then go ahead

[junior pilot]

Is there any video that goes over the basics? I just started today

[sweet brook]

haelian might have some basics video but imo the best way is to just mess around and find out what works and what doesnt and see what you like

[faint umbra]

It’s just me but I would say discovering things on your own when you’re just starting out is cool

👍

[sweet brook]

yeah lol

the fun part of the game is just seeing what works and abusing it if you think it's good

[cedar delta]

Then having jazz tell you everything you know and love is wrong

[gaunt dawn]

soo

i finally did it

does that mean i now have to talk on #h1-discussion ?

or can i ask postgame questions here

[sweet brook]

if you've only done 1 clear, i'd still say stay here lmao

there's other story spoilers that happen

so it's best to just stay here until the main story's completed

[gaunt dawn]

how do i know when its complete, i thought doing this was completing it

[sweet brook]

it's done when you hit the credits

[gaunt dawn]

i see

well now there is this contract thing that makes runs harder or something

should i try that?

[sweet brook]

that helps you get more titan blood, diamonds, and ambrosia so up to you

some of them aren't too difficult

does take some adjusting tho

[gaunt dawn]

trial and error

as always

[sweet brook]

yeah

some pacts you should just stay away from tho

namely routine inspection, approval process, damage control, calisthenics program, and jury summons

[gaunt dawn]

ok

[sweet brook]

and heightened security

[gaunt dawn]

yeah i sometimes throw myself in magma very dumbly

[sweet brook]

yeah not a fun time

ticking for 5 per sec and ramping up is not great

[gaunt dawn]

anyways thanks guys, because of you all i could beat the game

and fairly quick apparently because it only took me 26 tries

[lime spoke]

DAMN thats so little

or maybe i suck 💀

[gaunt dawn]

nah dont worry

i also suck

i just won because i had like 2 revives left

[lime spoke]

oh nice

[little jetty]

so basically free ||titan blood?||

[lime spoke]

i tend to use a lot of th death defiances in the boss fight with the 2 enemies

[broken girder]

||Well you do have to finish the game and increase heat to “reset bounties”||

[broken girder]

Focus on the Minotaur first and fight around pillars so that you can make him rush against the pillar and just hide behind it for the spear throw, also take your time, avoid triggering Theseus 2nd phase if Minotaur is still living

[little jetty]

yeah i did that already. So for ||each weapon, every different heat gives the titan blood and diamond and ambrosia, then if you change the weapon or heat amount you can get those rewards again?||

||also what happens when you go over max heat?||

[broken girder]

||Yea you can only get bounties from heat once||

[little jetty]

||when you beat it on the max heat does the max heat increase? and if it does is it just for that weapon (does the heat increase for that weapon only or all weapons?)||

[lime spoke]

i tend to do asterius first which might be the reason i take so much dmg

so ty

[broken girder]

||Do you mean bearing on 63 heat or beating the current stage you’re at?||

[little jetty]

||current stage, which is one heat||

[broken girder]

Asterius is the Minotaur so you’re doing it right, just gotta practice and remember the tells then, you’ll get good at it soon

[lime spoke]

then I said the wrong name mb

[broken girder]

||if you beat 1 heat with 1 heat the heat requirement is gonna go to 2. If you beat 1 heat with let’s say 10 heat, it’s again going to 2 so you can clear 10 times with 10 heat and only then you’ll have gained max rewards for that heat, than you’ll have to increase again, you’ll figure it out quickly enough by trying, if my explanation doesn’t make sense||

[broken girder]

Nw, happens good luck out there

[little jetty]

oh thanks

[lime spoke]

ty 😎 👍🏻

[leaden whale]

Need tips for Hades

[sweet brook]

With what specifically

Like the final boss fight or like in general

[little jetty]

anyone got a good mirror setup? I have like 2k darkness

i have ||most weapons unlocked and most of the mirro upgrades unlocked, I'm at the stage where you need 30 keys for the next mirror upgrades||

||but not all are maxed out||

||and I have only been using the red ones||

[sweet brook]

There's a mirror guide pinned here

[leaden whale]

Yes I need to defeat the final boss

[broken girder]

Uh learn his attacks and use that info to either dash away in time or dash through his attacks, also make sure to have a good build even tho that point as important rn

[leaden whale]

Ok like what build for the spear

[broken girder]

Poseidon dash and Zeus attack iirc

You got Achilles right?

Also flurry jab is the best hammer by far

But as I said learning his moves is a lot more important than the build rn

[dusty vault]

Speedruns start tidal dash but you can start with like slicing shot to set up for hunting blades earlier

Cast builds are the go to with it

[broken girder]

Oh forgot about that mb

[little jetty]

yeah hunting blades op

[little jetty]

what is ||ambrosia for?||

[dusty vault]

Replaces nectar when you gift enough to a character

[little jetty]

oh ok

infernal or stygian soul for hera

[gaunt dawn]

which aspect better for bow

oh wait nvm i only have 1 blood so i guess im gonna unlock quiron aspect

[little jetty]

wati no

save it for hera

hera op

best earlygame aspect

[gaunt dawn]

ok

[dusty vault]

infernal

[leaden whale]

Yeah I have the Achilles aspect of the spear

[little jetty]

what hera cast good

[dusty vault]

aphro

[stoic raven]

you can also do phalanx backstab because hitboxes makes it so that the cast always hits the enemy on the side opposite to zag

so if youre facing them itll backstab

[little jetty]

that athena right?

also whats best hammers for hera

sniper shot?

[stoic raven]

flurry and thats it

[little jetty]

well i don't got that

[stoic raven]

dont get hammers ike twin and sniper, since those prevent you from getting flurry

[little jetty]

i have sniper, charged volley, and explosive shot

[stoic raven]

charged volley

just ignore the hammer essentially

[little jetty]

yo charged volly just killed ||tisiphone ||from 1/3 health???

so op bro

[final dune]

🗿

[stoic raven]

anything that does more than 0 damage is op then

[leaden whale]

What should I do about my cast for the spear

[stoic raven]

for achilles, get either get hunting blades, extreme clarity, or nothing(youre doing attack build)

[dusty vault]

crystal clarity*

[stoic raven]

same thing

||crystal measures from the pact||

[little jetty]

||thats demeter and what duo boon?||

[stoic raven]

||dem beam||+arty

[little jetty]

artemis attack?

[stoic raven]

check prereqs on codex

[little jetty]

extending jab or vicious skewer on attack achilles

[stoic raven]

extending

[little jetty]

how do you 'seed' runs?

a mod?

[sweet brook]

sometimes kinda

at the start of a run, you start with a certain seed

various things throughout the run changes the rng value so each room will (probably) be different even if you start on the same seed

[little jetty]

how do you set certain seeds tho

[sweet brook]

you cant unless you grab someone else's save file

or something along those lines

you could like "reuse" a seed by hitting give up but you lose all run progress and it's as if you didnt do the run in the first place

you could do it for like seeing what hammer options you get at the start and see what aspect would work best for the options

or like if you want to start with the attack but the game offers you special, cast, and dash, you can switch to an aspect that uses one of those at the start

[gaunt dawn]

bruh i got killed by ||caront||

i didnt even knew you could fight that guy

[craggy peak]

Hardest boss

Also if you fought him why are you here

Pretty sure you can’t until like after credits or first clear

[leaden whale]

lol

[gaunt dawn]

i did clear the game for the first time today

[craggy peak]

Oh nice

Gg

I diddnt see em for a while after that

But it’s RNG I guess

[gaunt dawn]

i guess he is a callback to the tipical ||merchant is actually a secret superboss|| videogame stereotype

[leaden whale]

Yeah I watched some videos about people fighting Charon

[urban sequoia]

You did this on purpose didn't you

Btw to me ||dad|| is harder than him. I hate ||dad||'s bossfight so much

After so many runs I still do

[craggy peak]

Spoiler that and fast

This is the no spoilers channnel

[urban sequoia]

It's been 10 hours and a half sadly

[inland stag]

do i need to invest 5 titan blood in each weapon to unlock the 4th aspects? Because I have done this and it still won't show

[dusty vault]

You need to reveal hidden spear first which has a slighty different method (unlock 5 non zag aspects)

• have the list of minor prophecies and have reached the final boss once

(all details for the rest pinned in #h1-story-discussion )

[leaden whale]

😉

[leaden whale]

And no I didn’t do it on purpose

[urban sequoia]

Alr, spoiler tag that pls

[gaunt dawn]

since this new pacts thing is new for me

im going with the health things heal less

but i counter it by using the dusa item that makes more food appear

i think its a good idea

now i can reclaim 1 heat rewards

without it being too difficult

[sweet brook]

Feather duster only gives you 1 food per room max lmao

It's bad

If you're gonna do 1 heat do extreme measures 1

[gaunt dawn]

the strat worked tho

😭

for now

but yeah i gotta change it

[sweet brook]

I mean like frankly if you used normal keepsakes you'd have more dps and not have to worry about losing hp if they're dead lmao

[gaunt dawn]

tbf you only told me which ones to avoid, not which to use

so i tried making my own strat

[cedar delta]

Checketh the pins in #h1-high-heat-strategies for a list of what to use and what not to use

Especially the nice infographic

[sweet brook]

True but I also did not expect you to take feather duster lmao

[gaunt dawn]

If life teaches you something, is that you always have to expect the unexpected

also its an item in a game, its supposed to be used

im pretty sure the one feather duster fan is happy im using it

[noble sage]

hey there, can someone explain to me why i cant find a 4th gods boon in an entire run?

aah nvm im blind 🙂

[gaunt dawn]

so i finally unlocked the last 2 mirror buffs

so which are better the purple or green variants

[dusty vault]

God's Pride and fated persuasion

[restive portal]

And while you might sometimes use Fated Authority for specific runs, there are very few times when God's Legacy is better.

[wicked sand]

I just defeated the bone hydra

first try too

granted it took me a long time to get this far

[stoic raven]

only end boss and onward is considered a spoiler

[wicked sand]

oh okay oops

[gaunt dawn]

which aspect better for shield

[sweet brook]

zeus

Get Zeus on the special and pom static discharge as much as possible when you get it

[gaunt dawn]

thank God because thats the one i personally wanted

is there any use for keys after unlocking all mirror upgrades?

besides idk trading

and gettin a room reroll

[sweet brook]

boon reroll is the only things keys are good for in runs lmao

[autumn zephyr]

how do i unlock the 4th aspect on my bow? i upgraded every other aspect fully hoping it would unlock but it didnt

[dusty vault]

do you have hidden spear revealed yet?

[autumn zephyr]

hidden? i only have a normal, i dont really know what u mean

[dusty vault]

the 4th aspect of the spear @autumn zephyr

[autumn zephyr]

No but i dont want that i want it for my bow

[dusty vault]

you need the spear first before the others

check #h1-story-discussion pins for the methods

[autumn zephyr]

damn... ok

thank you sir

[gaunt dawn]

i almost never purge boons for money

because i dont think gettin rid of a boon could be good at all

how do i know when its actually good to sell one?

[stoic raven]

depends. first youll have to have a good a bit of game knowledge
know which boons arent crucial to your build, and what youll do with that extra money. this generally happens when you dont have good boon choices, and theres a high rarity purgeable
if you take a core boon and want the money over the chance of a heroic

[gaunt dawn]

uhhhhh

[stoic raven]

tldr just think of what youll do with the money, and then see if its better than the boon

[gaunt dawn]

idk man i just want 200 coins to get another revive

[stoic raven]

a good example would be getting hydraulic might, unshakeable mettle, and tidal strike on poseidon. none of the boons are good, so youll either go with the tidal strike in hopes of a heroic replace later, or youll just go with mettle to purge for 400+ coins later

if this all seems too complicated, then its best to just not purge at all

[gaunt dawn]

oh God i did the right choice, by selling two boons i got the victory

[sweet brook]

meta builds are generally like, a handful of boons pretty much and 2 hermes boons

the idea is like, look at the boon and see if you actually need it for damage

or utility at least

like say im playing hera or hestia and i pick up urge to kill
yeah it gives me more damage, but the damage buff it gives isn't large enough to consider keeping

the best reason to sell stuff is to clear out the pom pool

since you'll inevitably pick up boons that just get in the way of what you actually want to pom

it's good to get into the habit of looking in the purging well to see what you can get rid of

you'd never reroll the purging well to sell boons you dont need unless you have ||underworld customs from the pact|| on

[gaunt dawn]

wait, if i purge a pom it will never appear again?

[sweet brook]

no i mean like

whenever you pick up a pom you only have 3 choices

and if you have like 6 pommable boons, you have a 50/50 shot of pomming what you actually need to pom

so selling a boon would make it 3/5 chance

and so on

[gaunt dawn]

i see

i still have problems with selling tho

im just very attached to what i get

[sweet brook]

if you dont mind, we could grab your most recent victory and i could tell you what you most likely didn't need

[gaunt dawn]

i literally cannot see a pom and think " this is useless "

the only time i thought that

was when poseidon gave me a legenary more fishing chance

[sweet brook]

well poms are fine
some boons aren't useful tho

[gaunt dawn]

hurray

[sweet brook]

||https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1184713465861001326/image.png?ex=658cf965&is=657a8465&hm=00bbf182d9e6e331f188aef99ec17197294c9f5fc46e5f69cc412526eebb2639&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1191&height=670||

[gaunt dawn]

if you want

[sweet brook]

oh that didn't do what i wanted to

oh well

[stoic raven]

well some poms just arent too impactful, and you may want to have more money to get boons in styx
this is still pretty rare though

[sweet brook]

alright well first thing i wanna say is your mirror lol
make sure to follow the mirror guide pinned here because that's gonna be helpful for you. main reason i'm calling this out is because dark foresight is much better than olympian favor. you got like no poms this run, and that'll help you see more poms

[gaunt dawn]

but whats the point of pom if my boons are common rarity

[stoic raven]

shouldve pommed jolted/thunder flourish, and purged athena since zeus shield and boons cant backstab

[sweet brook]

by the looks of it, the 2 demeter boons that isn't the call, whatever the artemis boon at the bottom is, blinding flash, and fully loaded arent useful

[sweet brook]

the first few poms on most boons does a lot to increase your damage

like for context

a level 4 common aphrodite attack passes level 4 rare demeter and athena

you'd quite literally rather have common aphrodite than rare demeter or athena

also some stuff just scales well with poms
in your last build, static discharge is your highest damaging boon you have

but you have no poms on it, so your damage was severely lacking

you also didn't have a great chance at being able to pom it considering how many boons you have

[gaunt dawn]

bruh i cant do this its too much thinking

[sweet brook]

well like, all of these choices aren't made in combat

so you have time

the selling stuff you can def take your time with

when picking up boons or deciding what god to go to on doors, you can def take some time to think

takes time tbf

in knowing what you need, what's a good build, etc

[stoic raven]

and you can use codex to compare numbers, though it doesnt include rarity and pom scaling

[gaunt dawn]

me playing is like the " random sht go!! " meme

[sweet brook]

lmao yeah that's a pretty common strat for this game

and like tbf

it does work

i've done it myself

[cedar delta]

We all start that way, then slowly start turning into jazz

[sweet brook]

lmfao

[gaunt dawn]

yeah i just won doing that

[sweet brook]

i did that to 100% the game lmao

[gaunt dawn]

i won at 7 health tho 😭

even the victory screen says " that was a close one "

[sweet brook]

if you had more poms on static discharge, you would've won faster lol

(and if you took thick skin on the mirror)

(and dark foresight so you could've been offered hearts more often)

you still have a good build core tho

it just needs like tuning up

i'd also like to mention the greater haste and rd doing absolute work lmao

[stoic raven]

im starting to pause buffer when choosing a chamber even when i dont care about time

[sweet brook]

lmao yeah it's just 2nd nature at this point

i mean i only do speed and ||heat|| so that kinda does matter

i've only done like 3 casual runs and that's because i just got a controller and hitting the pause is far

[gaunt dawn]

my plan was doing that zeus aspect, zeus special and static discharge strat

but neither poms or zeus boons appeared

thats why there is a lot of demeter and artemis stuff

[stoic raven]

and thats why favor is garbage

[gaunt dawn]

which one

[stoic raven]

olympian favor, +40% for rare or better boons

[gaunt dawn]

oh

im so mad i thought that was better

me doing the opposite as always

how do i increase relationship after the hearth on someone is locked?

[stoic raven]

by doing something
for some characters, therell be a prophecy
for others, theres no indication

however, most are achievable by just playing the game

[sweet brook]

Tbf like many many newer players thought the same lmao

Because like yeah rarity is always good

But when you read and think about dark foresight it's a lot better

And once you experience it, it's game changing lmao

Earlier hammer is the main thing

But you'll also get a lot more poms and hearts in Elysium generally

[gaunt dawn]

When I escape and the first thing I see is a hammer

I become religious

Because I just don’t know how to thank such an amazing gift

Specially when playing spear

Spear hammers are so good

[sweet brook]

hate to be that guy but speaking from a meta perspective, a lot of them are pretty bad lmao

well i guess a lot of them are still like useful but not like game changing good

yeah i take that back, now that i'm looking at the list, from a normaly player perspective they're pretty decent lmao

[gaunt dawn]

Atleast they are more solid

From my perspective

A boon can be good or nah depending on various things

But a hammer is just the effect

No consecuences

[sweet brook]

well depends on the hammer lmao

some hammers are detrimental

mostly sword hammers tho

[gaunt dawn]

What does that word mean

English is not my first language

[sweet brook]

actively harmful

or rather just "harmful" in this case

[gaunt dawn]

Like cursed slash?

[sweet brook]

yeah

among others

dash nova, world splitter, flurry slash

not because they debuff you, but because the effect is bad lol

[gaunt dawn]

“ oh great I can heal with every attack so I don’t have to worry about only having 20 max health “

*gets one shot by hades *

You would be op if you somehow managed to get like 200hp with cursed slash

But even then

Enemies can deal more damage than you can heal

[gaunt dawn]

But alteast they are there

The effect is bad but atleast you do a little more damage

[sweet brook]

well

sometimes no lmao

world spliiter is bad mainly because if you mess up the combo, it'll be more painful

dash nova actively messes up your specials

flurry slash messes up your dashes

the effects are just straight up bad

[cedar delta]

They really could've used a little buffing!

Imagine Flurry Slash with a generous combo multiplier 👀

[sweet brook]

tbh even if that did happen it still wouldn't be good lmao

flurry slash screws up dashes and iframes

and you wanna be staying mobile anyways so dash striking or dashing around in general is better than just standing there with flurry slash lmao

[cedar delta]

Play chicken with the enemies while you flail wildly!

[junior pilot]

What are you favorite boons with the fists? I started this week haven’t beat the game yet

[craggy peak]

Pick whatever you like, I guess

Best to try and find a playstlyle you like yourself I think

Not having beaten the game yet is fine too

[velvet chasm]

zeus on attack is great with fists

actually if you're just starting out, demeter on fists might be a good idea too, cuz you can apply 10 stacks of chill really fast. slow enemy = easy to learn patterns

[quick pewter]

I just beat the game a couple times and my best times are 25 (spear, zagreus aspect) and 34 (shield, chaos aspect) but i feel like i do no damage

am I doing something wrong?

i usually spread boons out to go towards everything

[stoic raven]

youl want to focus on specific boons, generally a single god and support/useful duos

what aspects are you using?

[quick pewter]

I'm trying to get good runs with shield aspect of chaos

and then everything else zag bc im new

But should I focus on one ability? like for example go for boons that boost special mainly, or attack, or cast

[final dune]

the first thing to do is use aspect of zeus instead

and then

it's not like focusing only on one thing

like you typically want a dash boon always

but it's okay to ignore stuff

like on zag or chaos aspect of shield you ignore the special

and dont need to fill the slot

and on many aspects its fine to leave cast empty

[quick pewter]

I usually go for athena dash or poseidon

[final dune]

yeah those are the good ones

[quick pewter]

I still end up taking a really really long time to kill bosses and i use all my abilities

I try to go for zeus / dio on fists and shield and sword

for attack

and then idrk what specials are good

[stoic raven]

for fists, its probably just your gameplay that needs work

zap fists is pretty strong, though it is quite reliant on splitting bolt to be great

[quick pewter]

I've always liked spear but idk which keepsake to start out with

what's a good starting keepsake for spear?

I'd assume owl pendant for athena

but idk

[stoic raven]

god->god/tooth->hourglass/tooth/acorn->acorn

[quick pewter]

Why not tooth at the end

[stoic raven]

for speed, its best to go for the god that's crucial to your build but still offers decent boons for tart/asphodel
for later on, just go for the god with the best/hardest to get boon

[stoic raven]

acorn removes a LOT more damage than tooth

||dad does 20-30 damage per hit(and maybe 14 i forgot) without boiling blood, meaning you can reduce over 100 damage with acorn, while tooth only gives an extra 100 health||

[quick pewter]

What about death defiance buffs such as ares'

would it depend on the run?

Actually wait

I have 4 death defiances (including tooth) and they don't stack

so as long as I have one it shouldn't matter

[stoic raven]

yeah

[quick pewter]

Also is aspect of zeus better (dps wise) than aspect of chaos on the shield

[stoic raven]

multiple dds is just for safety/big brain plays by dying tot bosses

[stoic raven]

by FAR

chaos is so bad you dont even use special

[quick pewter]

I'm gonna try to beat tart with rail so I can get another titan blood

for aspect of zeus

what's the best god for rail

[stoic raven]

on zeus shield, its best to go with zeus special and get splitting bolt
do beware, splitting bolt has a glitch where if your special is doing damage your block gets wonky

[stoic raven]

which aspect?

[quick pewter]

zag

[stoic raven]

i think either aph or zeus, depending on if youre going for spread fire or if youre getting splitting bolt

[quick pewter]

what's splitting bolt again

[stoic raven]

zeus legendary

each lightning attack spawns an orb that deals 40 damage

[quick pewter]

sounds crazy

[stoic raven]

so its basically +40 damage to all lightning

[quick pewter]

I grabbed zeus special for zag rail

it's pretty good

I'm really most interested in shield though to be honest

[dusty vault]

You want zeus attack rather than special on rail

[quick pewter]

I didn't get it starting off

but thanks

what about cast?

[dusty vault]

Is ok as filler on anything

[quick pewter]

I'm having a hard time incorporating cast into my gameplay to be honest

[dusty vault]

Kills small stuff, can do some dmg with static discharge

[dusty vault]

That's fine

If you aren't doing a cast build you can just leave the slot empty

Just use it to apply big enemies/bosses with boiling blood

[quick pewter]

Okay

so like Hydra for example

[dusty vault]

Yeah

Armored enemies also work

[quick pewter]

is the changed special on the aspect of zeus shield good?

like should I use it

[stoic raven]

yes, but only if you have boons/ high blood

[dusty vault]

What

Zeus works fine at lvl 1

Zeus special is doing the dmg anyways

Ok I keep not being able to read lmao

[quick pewter]

is that how to achieve high damage with the aspect of zeus shield?

[dusty vault]

Basically

Zeus^2 is it most common build

[stoic raven]

you can cope with dio special though

[dusty vault]

Zeus special, static discharge and whatever support boon you find from him

[stoic raven]

like i did

[dusty vault]

If you wanna be funny merciful end is also there

And at high lvl you can also use any special really

[quick pewter]

so basically all zeus

and then should I always go for pomegranate to upgrade boons

also is it a good idea to slightly raise heat every time i beat the game / get titan blood in order to farm it

[stoic raven]

yes

[dusty vault]

You mainly want to get static discharge to like 4-5

A pom or two on special is also nice

To escale further look for double strike, hugh voltage (doesn't boost dmg but opens the legendary)
Zeus call works great with the same boons and with how often you hit you'll charge it fast

If you want a duo boon
Add an aphro core (attack ideally) if you have zeus call to open their duo for faster calls

Could also take artemis attack instead to open lightning rod

[quick pewter]

but ideally start with zeus

[dusty vault]

Yeah start zeus

You can use another keepsake once you get to asphodel

[quick pewter]

I usually go collar ngl

I don't have that many but i have some gods

i have zeus

I have maxed tooth and maxed collar

[dusty vault]

Collar/similar defensive keepsakes are better to keep for later

[quick pewter]

what's good early

[dusty vault]

Keepsakes from the gods you wanna start/if you want more randomness can go with coin purse (hypnos) or shackle (sysyphus)

The "meta" for keepsakes is like
God 1 > god 2 that supports build in aspho >3 and 4 a defensive keepsake most of the time (ideally acorn, but if normal rooms are still a pain, tooth-collar are fine)

[quick pewter]

What would be a second god that supports aspect of zeus build

[dusty vault]

Either of these works

If you found one of them in tart, forcing again for the duo (if you have it available) can work

If you want an extra layer of defense just force athena for her dash

[quick pewter]

how do you force a duo

[dusty vault]

I mean force the god again
But anyways to increase chances for duos

[quick pewter]

Okay

[dusty vault]

Have all the core slots (attack/special/dash/cast) filled as the game will keep offering them if you have any of these empty

-use yarn of ariadne(charon well)/refreshing nectar(eurydice) as those boost the chance by a +10%

Favor from chaos also works (and keepsakes boost the chance for the respective god but it comes into play less oftenl

[quick pewter]

i always take the pom thing in eurydice i think thats a mistake

[dusty vault]

Other than that is mainly luck

[dusty vault]

Poms are fine if you are lacking in important boons

Nectar is most often a better option

Not only for duos but hermes and chaos

Hermes has a lower base chance for his boons to have rarity

[quick pewter]

and you can't pom his boons right?

[dusty vault]

Yarn/nectar guarantee the boons to be at least rare

Yeah can't pom them

[quick pewter]

so starting off with aspect of zeus

should i take the zeus special?

[dusty vault]

Yeah

[dusty vault]

(also mirror helps but is mostly the last unlocks)

[quick pewter]

I got the favor from chaos first room lol

[dusty vault]

Nice

[quick pewter]

okay does artemis help?

like for the build

[dusty vault]

Yeah, her duo with zeus is pretty good

And outside of that pp + marked can add some dmg

(pressure points and hunter's mark)

[quick pewter]

I got rare attack, epic hunter dash, and epic artemis aid

stacked boons lol

all bc of chaos

should i take the attack?

[dusty vault]

Yeah attack is good

[quick pewter]

oooh wait i forgot about daedalus hammer

what are the best for shield

[dusty vault]

Explosive return/charged shot

[quick pewter]

okay i got a choice room between zeus and artemis

I'll pick zeus

just bc its' the zeus build

yooo static discharge

[stoic raven]

fero guard:

[dusty vault]

Yeah its good too

Not the best

[quick pewter]

what does fero guard do

[dusty vault]

If you block an attack you get +20% global dmg and move speed for uh

8 seconds? idk

[quick pewter]

i don't use block as much as i should ngl

[dusty vault]

You can turtle strat your way out with zeus shield

As you can block while the special is out

[quick pewter]

I got dio idk what to get

[dusty vault]

What is he offering

[quick pewter]

drunken flourish drunken dash positive outlook

[dusty vault]

Outlook ig

Wait flourish? Replace or you didn't get zeus special

[quick pewter]

replace

I might take outlook tbh

[dusty vault]

Yeah go for it

Dash ain't the best

[quick pewter]

ok yeah this build is actually really good

[quick pewter]

got both of these lmao this is setting up to be the best run i've had

[stoic raven]

10

20% for 10 seconds

[dusty vault]

Ty

[stoic raven]

np

[quick pewter]

got a duo

finishing the run rn

okay this is almost my best clear

by a minute

but i spent a lot of time just standing around

your advice definitely helped me a ton

thanks guys

[dusty vault]

Happy escaping

[quick pewter]

3rd time lol

[gaunt dawn]

well time to play

to bad i forgot about almost every tip you guys gave me

[viscid notch]

Spoiler that in this channel

[noble sage]

my first time getting a duo boon from dio and poseidon on my 3rd railgun run. its DISGUSTING. everything is atleast purple, i got dio on attack and poseidon on special with cluster bombs and fast attack.

literally everything gets obliterated O_O.

[viscid notch]

Nice

[gaunt dawn]

what is the upgrade that cost 5 diamonds and seems to unlock some weird portal like chaos ones

it says it has something to do with the contract things

[broken girder]

||Erebus gate?||

|| or that thing in the admin chambers?||

[gaunt dawn]

this

[broken girder]

|| you get a reward if you manage to survive the room hitless and have a specific heat level||

||The reward is a random room reward iirc||

It can be worth it

[dusty vault]

is always a gold laurel reward for what is worth

and they work like in styx (so double reward for gold/hp/poms, extra rarity for boons)

[restive portal]

The number of enemies you face is very variable, and an early gate is much easier than a late one.

You might even get enemies from areas you haven't got to yet.

[viscid notch]

The main reason you’ll want to buy that upgrade is because it forces a gold laurel

[stoic raven]

not styx, just miniboss rewards

[gaunt dawn]

more worth it than the other diamond upgrades?

like the when you get gems you also get darkness

those kind of upgrades

[dusty vault]

get fated keys if you haven't yet

[gaunt dawn]

i unlocked that one inmediately

because i was like " nah this cant be fr, reroll rooms? thats insane "

and oh boy it was

but yeah

idk if i should save for ereb gate

or buy the other item upgrades

[dusty vault]

pom when picking nectar is nice

but the other too are kinda just there

erebus can be fun to try (+ if you wanna fill the codex you'll need it)

[sweet brook]

Change your mirror so that you reroll boon choices instead of rooms

[gaunt dawn]

i did

[sweet brook]

Nice

[modest void]

(sorry in advance my game is in french) guys I have a buff from Demeter it says if every enemies are frozen they get 10% slower and get "désintégrer" which can be translated to like obliterated, does that mean they all die instantly ?

[dusty vault]

if it's the legendary yeah

instant death

[modest void]

its basic

white

[dusty vault]

oh

killing freeze

[modest void]

yeah so im not quite sure to understand how that works

[gaunt dawn]

anyways so i started using extreme measures 1 like you told me

and i noticed a change in the first boss as expected

[dusty vault]

if all enemies in the room have chill inflicted they'll take damage over time

[gaunt dawn]

but not in the others

will the others change if i level up the extreme measures?

[modest void]

does that work on bosses too ?

[gaunt dawn]

best aspect for gun

[dusty vault]

yeah @modest void

[modest void]

never got a legendary tho, highest rarity I got was heroic, is there a special way or something or I just need to be lucky ?

[cedar delta]

Legendaries have specific prerequisites

[modest void]

ig I should finish the game first before asking too many questions

[dusty vault]

nah its fine

[cedar delta]

If you buy the boon index for the codex, you can see all the prereqs

[gaunt dawn]

i think eris?

[cedar delta]

Also Hestia

[dusty vault]

yeah eris and hestia are both amazing

if you are low on blood go for eris though

[gaunt dawn]

hestia becomes useless if you get the infinite ammo hammer?

[dusty vault]

nah

you can still reload

[gaunt dawn]

eris is looking cool as hell

so the only thing i have to do is let me get hit by my own special attack?

thats easy

[restive portal]

Hazard Bomb has entered the conversation...

[sweet brook]

Yes
Em1 upgrades first boss, em2 is second boss, and so on

[ionic tide]

For hidden aspects does buying other aspects count or do i have to upgrade the aspects?

Nvm we good i got beowulf now

[quick pewter]

hey what's a good aspect for bow

i'm using chiron

[tall osprey]

I'm using a lot aspect of Era with Artemis cast, the duo Poseidon/Artemis, and stuff to improve/increase casts. It's crazy.

The hidden aspect is cool too

[wooden dirge]

all of them are good at low heat

but if u want like a tierlist: hera/hidden -> zag -> chiron

chiron seems to be pretty popular among new players(and reddit)

[quick pewter]

I need to get better at incorporating casts into my gameplay anyways tbh

I usually just grab dio cast for it but hera bow seems really interesting and strong

[noble sage]

does divine strike even proc on sword? i dont see any shield coming up haha.

[wooden dirge]

wdym?

the shield only comes up if you have divine dash

and only while dashing/ dash-striking

[noble sage]

divine strike says: increase attack % + attacjs can deflect

how effective is it?

im using it on the sword atm cause it was purple and gave me 80% atk boost

[wooden dirge]

if the attk hits an enemy projectile it gets deflected

%specials are alr on sword

[cedar delta]

Or heck, even an enemy's melee attack

[wooden dirge]

but aphrodite attk would def be better since it's the highest %attk

you could also make arti attk work if you bunch of chaos bonuses

[wooden dirge]

u can even deflect theseus's spear and redacted's spear lol kinda funny

[noble sage]

i was using athena attack + dash with blind flash curse, and special was aphrodites so i still had privilege proc constantly

worked well enough 😄

[gaunt dawn]

my pc randomly turned off and for some reason i lost my progress in a run

but im not mad because these new run is better than the one i was having

[quick pewter]

What keepsake should i start out with hera bow?

[broken girder]

Aphro

You’d want her cast

[quick pewter]

Aight thanks

What about attack and stuff

[dusty vault]

Doesn't really matter

Arte works

[broken girder]

I don’t think it matters that much, you can look into what duo boon you might wanna have, smth like smouldering air might be useful

Or arty

[dusty vault]

If you want any other boon is ||snow burst from Demeter||

After that you can just ignore and keep your pommable boons at just a few for more chances at pomming cast

And get good chaos boons/charon wells

[broken girder]

I got a question

Isn’t there that one mirror upgrade that lets you make more damage to enemies that have casts in them?

[dusty vault]

Applies to attack and special only

[broken girder]

Oh

Alr

[dusty vault]

I thought it buffed everything for the longest time lmao

[gaunt dawn]

bow is better with flat damage or % boons?

[stoic raven]

%

[dusty vault]

If you mean the attack is %

If you are doing chiron you can do either

Hidden bow also uses flat dmg on special

[stoic raven]

the easiest way to judge is:
if the damage is 20 or less, go zeus
dio is a bit hard to judge

[gaunt dawn]

also quiron or hera

[stoic raven]

hera 100%

[gaunt dawn]

ok the effect looks cool

[gaunt dawn]

but anyways this question is basically because

i want to use one of the gift of the Gods but idk which God is better for bow

[final dune]

%

[stoic raven]

for hera, start aphrodite and get cast

then pom it as much as possible, get exit wounds, pom that, and then get quick reload from hermes

[dusty vault]

?

Just pom cast

[gaunt dawn]

cast is like the blood stone?

[dusty vault]

Yeah

[final dune]

dont get exit wounds

[dusty vault]

Aphro's is crush shot

[final dune]

you dont need exit wounds

[gaunt dawn]

wait so if you can shoot blood stones with hera aspect

the aphrodite cast small range is now good?

[dusty vault]

Yup

Hera deletes that downside

[gaunt dawn]

oh boy

this will be fun

[stoic raven]

phalanx shot(athena) has funny hitboxes so you always hit the back of the enemy(from zag's position)

[dusty vault]

Phalanx can be fun if you don't mind your casts going out of bounds if you miss

[gaunt dawn]

btw you guys saw my new win

it was insane

even ||hades|| had no chance at all

[dusty vault]

Clockets moment

Also spoiler that name

[gaunt dawn]

clockets is the hammer upgrade?

[dusty vault]

Cluster + rocket combo

Rocket makes it so the -30% dmg from cluster doesn't apply

[gaunt dawn]

oh yeah i noticed that

[dusty vault]

So you get 400 base dmg if all 5 rockets hit

[gaunt dawn]

oh boy did i notice that

everyone was shredded

[sweet brook]

tbf even if the -30% still applied it'd still be dummy strong lmao

[gaunt dawn]

if only you could do that comby every run lol

the game would be very easy

oh crap

the game gave me a though choice

epic aphrodite main attack or heroic artemis main attack

both are good with bow

[sweet brook]

Which bow are you using

[gaunt dawn]

hera

[sweet brook]

What's your current cast

[gaunt dawn]

none

[sweet brook]

Cursed

Take Aphrodite then tbh

[gaunt dawn]

because i just started

[sweet brook]

Oh is this like 2nd boon lmao

[gaunt dawn]

yeah its the second lol

[broken girder]

Why did you take aphro attack instead of cast tho?

[sweet brook]

I'd def take aphro attack tho since that'll make up your missing damage

[gaunt dawn]

because it was epic quality and i couldnt resist

[broken girder]

Oh well

[sweet brook]

Was the cast offered

[gaunt dawn]

no

[broken girder]

Good luck

[sweet brook]

Okay well of the cast wasn't offered then that was the best choice lmao

[gaunt dawn]

i still have time to get the cast tho

[broken girder]

Yeah that makes more sense

[gaunt dawn]

but i guess its kind of pointless now? since i have main attack

[sweet brook]

Not really

The cast will do more damage overall

If you get Aphrodite cast

[gaunt dawn]

i see

maybe i should go aphrodite only this run lol

[sweet brook]

You'd need to put poms on the cast tho once you get it

[deft heron]

what aspect do you all prefer on the sword? i cant really decide which one i might get the most out of usually but i was thinking poseidon

[sweet brook]

Nemesis is generally considered the best

[dusty vault]

Pos is fun if you don't wanna play sword

[sweet brook]

Poseidon sword is basically worse Achilles

But yeah there's that

[deft heron]

alright sounds good then, started liking crit a bit more now but i haven't been getting artemis for the last 3 runs