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#h1-for-new-players
broken girder
Oh yeah
craggy peak
Yeah don’t take ares
faint parcel
and i wanted to take aphro second
broken girder
Aphro cast is the most important part
After that you’re pretty much done
Might take arty attack and their duo for fun
faint parcel
boooring, do any of the weapons like ares especially
faint parcel
achilles?
broken girder
First aspect of spear
faint parcel
ah
shouldnt have taken triple shot
what does fishing even give me except the fibsh itself
craggy peak
The fish can be turned In at the house for rewards
Fish from different reigions give diff stuff
and about the funny cast bow again, more cast charges = more casts shot at once?
faint parcel
i never use the cast anyway, just rarely on boss battles
rich elm
is there some limit to the number of hammers I can get or is the amount pure RNG?
faint umbra
you can get 2, and 3 with ||an anvil in styx||
rich elm
alright
rich elm
I don't know if the newcomer section is still the right section for this topic:
||One of the achievements requires you to beat hades with heat 16 (skelly statues). Any suggestions on which combination from pack of punishment causes the least problems?||
restive portal
Anything after final boss is best in #h1-discussion or similar.
rich elm
alright
restive portal
The question itself is really dependent on your favourite weapon and play style
terse grotto
Finally cleared the normal difficulty with each weapon. ||Time for some heat.|| I'm thinking about trying some cast builds with Poseidon's aspect. I guess the obvious choice is to go with Poseidon cast, any other cool builds there? ||I'm guessing Demeter cast takes advantage of its dmg buff, but not dislodge mechanics||
viscid notch
Finally cleared the normal difficulty with each weapon. ||Time for some heat.|| ...
Should spoiler ||heat|| and ||Demeter|| in this channel. The strongest casts on Poseidon aspect are Aphrodite and Athena. Others are okay but not as great, poseidon's cast doesnt have great damage and will keep gliding if you miss so it makes it a pain to pick up.
stoic raven
"(No Spoilers - End Boss Onward)"
||demeter and heat are after end boss||
terse grotto
Aphrodite, really? I tried it, and it kept missing enemies point blank all the time. Especially if they are next to walls, it felt extremely clunky and unreliable. Huh, I didn't think it'd be a huge story spoiler, but I guess
rich elm
What are the possibilities for finding the right room in styx? I just know that it is not possible first try
viscid notch
Aphrodite, really? I tried it, and it kept missing enemies point blank all the t...
On sword you'll mostly be playing up close and personal and making use of your special and dash strikes to finish off enemies /retrieve stones. So Aphrodite's cast compliments that really well, by offering damage reduction and high base damage. It can be tricky to get used to but it's worth it, you can pair it with ||Demeter's Snow Burst||
stoic raven
What are the possibilities for finding the right room in styx? I just know that ...
its just rng, can be 2-5 tunnels
viscid notch
What are the possibilities for finding the right room in styx? I just know that ...
52% to find it in the second tunnel, and it keeps going down from there
Having to go through all 5 tunnels is <10% if I'm not mistaken
Might be <5% even
terse grotto
do people generally clear all tunnels anyway? Or it depends. I've been clearing all of them if I'm fairly confident I can do it at no expense to my health
stoic raven
its mainly a speed issue
viscid notch
Usually you just grab the sack and go unless you're levelling keepsakes or looking for something very specific for your build
lucid spade
where do i see the codex page where the duuo boon requuirements are mentioned?
viscid notch
where do i see the codex page where the duuo boon requuirements are mentioned?
In the Olympian gods tab. After selecting a god you can press B on KBM, idk the key on controller. It does require an upgrade which you get after some story progression tho
terse grotto
you open the entry to the chosen god and then press....uh on controller it's either start or pause, one of those buttons
on kbm no idea
lucid spade
In the Olympian gods tab. After selecting a god you can press B on KBM, idk the ...
okay tysm
final dune
enter
dusty vault
On controller should be -
terse grotto
on controller its the same button that opens your inventory during the game
viscid notch
bruh it's not enter, enter opens the codex mod menu lol
lucid spade
in my controls it says b for boon info (im on k&m) but it doesnt work
dusty vault
Do you have the codex upgrade in first place
lucid spade
??? how do i check ??
viscid notch
If you're pressing b on a god page and nothing is happening you probably dont have it
dusty vault
The codex entry would say directly "press button to see list" too
lucid spade
it doesnt say that
dusty vault
Can check your work orders too
lucid spade
how do i get the codex upgrade then??
dusty vault
I don't think any of us knows the exact trigger lmao
My guess is either related to picking up duos or sometime after meeting ||demeter||
viscid notch
Yea I honestly dont remember
tall osprey
I thought it was just an upgrade that you were supposed to have almost at the start
Anyway... Do stuff. It will be given to you, and then you need to use a currency to unlock it
lucid spade
i see thanks
i finished a run though so i was a bit confused if they didnt give it for the first run
or maybe i just missed smth
dusty vault
Is a super cheap upgrade, like 50 gems
Double check your work orders next time and see if it's available
lucid spade
ight ty
dusty vault
Wiki says you only need the minor list of prophecies
Which makes sense considering you have all the prophecies about getting all their boons lol
lucid spade
oh so i need to get all the boons
tall osprey
For the codex upgrade? Way before having to use all the boons
dusty vault
oh so i need to get all the boons
What I mean was that because you are shown multiple prophecies of picking up certain boons, they'll give you the upgrade at the same time so you aren't randomly trying
Not that you need to pick all the boons to unlock it
lucid spade
so ill just randomly get the upgrade
im sorry im dumb
yeah i already had the codex upgrade in the renovations menu
low glade
So today I realized the story is locked behind honey
Oops, I only used it for keepsakes
sour quiver
whats a good tactic with rama
stoic raven
tag that, and mark everything and then dashstrike
terse grotto
I'm kinda warming up to shield. At first it felt very clunky, but once you get into the groove it feels pretty badass tbh. Blocking comes in surprisingly handy, and overall it has a pretty fun flow to it
stoic raven
i mostly use bull rush for charge iframes
terse grotto
my first clear was with a shield, but it was a bit cheesy. I just put doom on shield throw, and basically focused on defensive boons from there
getting hammer with extra bounces made it extra easy, as entire rooms would die in few throws
stoic raven
never use shield special unless its zeus shield
and use dread flight even less
for a shield special build, youll want either dio or ares
terse grotto
I dunno, dude. Chaos shield has some big damage potential on special
and as I've said ares worked great for my first clear
stoic raven
I dunno, dude. Chaos shield has some big damage potential on special
zeus does more damage and is safer, and doesnt need blood
chaos shield does have potential, but it takes a good bit of blood to start working
terse grotto
I tried zeus, it feels powerful. But dancing around it gets tiresome
it's just so slow
it becomes a geometry dash game lol
stoic raven
its generally better to throw the shield onto enemies instead of getting them onto it
terse grotto
you can make both shield and ||hades|| follow you at the same speed, making him be hit with it constantly though. It's pretty funny
stoic raven
if youre not too experienced with enemies, you can throw it out, hit enemies into the shield as its moving, or just block and make the shield return when its not hitting anything
you can make the shield return while blocking btw
frigid meadow
Is there such a thing as a bad build?
sweet brook
yeah lmao
like stuff that has a low base damage would want something with flat damage
putting a 100% modifier on say a base 15 damage attack is pretty bad
that's only 1 example of a build build at least lmao
frigid meadow
Idk ive only played like 5 hours and been using the spear
tight flower
Although don't take a bad build as a death sentence, you can beat the game without a single boon to your name
I can't remember where I heard it from but a good quote I like to think about Hades with is "There aren't correct desicions, only smart ones"
sweet brook
well like the worse your build is, the harder you have to work for results lmao
also sometimes no boons are better than boons
depending on the build
tight flower
What I mean is you can totally be dumb and still skill it out if you wanted to
sweet brook
but yeah if you have a terrible build you could still win, it might take like a lot longer and take more concentration
tall osprey
Idk ive only played like 5 hours and been using the spear
Only the spear?
frigid meadow
Only the spear?
Basically. I like it
sweet brook
spear funky
frigid meadow
No....
tall osprey
Basically. I like it
I would advise to change weapons. The game even endorses you if you play the ones with the bright violet stuff.
The reason is that some dialogues are connected to some weapons. But I don't know if some dialogues are connected to particular unlockables story-related
stoic raven
dark thirst is cool
sweet brook
atm it doesn't really matter whether you branch out to other weapons or not
unless you want to grind darkness
the dialogue related stuff to the weapon is like
mid game stuff
if you're only 5 hours in, just play with stuff and see how you like it
tall osprey
How the hell do you type a spoiler thing here?
frigid meadow
I didnt say that ive been ONLY strictly using the spear and spit on everything else
stoic raven
How the hell do you type a spoiler thing here?
||this is what youre supposed to be typing to get results||
||end result when the message is sent||
tall osprey
dark thirst is cool
Once I had in a run, 1 Poseidon and 3 ||Chaos boons|| about farming darkness and gems. It was crazy
stoic raven
chaos not a spoiler
tall osprey
It does not appear in the start, I think?
stoic raven
since theyre unlockable before the final boss
frigid meadow
You get chaos after like 6 escape attempts
sweet brook
the only things that are a spoiler are end boss and onwards
technically speaking, half the gods dont appear at the start lmao
stoic raven
depends on what you define as the start
frigid meadow
I feel like ive barely played the game and ive gotten to level 3 boss so yeah what would you even call tve start
tall osprey
I don't know. I would consider the first Zagreus' flashback as spoiler too... Which, coincidentally, it appears after the 6th run
sour quiver
just used rama using only special with zeus ligtning
works pretty nice
and even improved my pb by a minute
proud elm
This game is addicting
12 hours and I’ve had it for like 3-4 days
Although I’ve died a lot
Died at Styx for the 2nd time that place is mad annoying mainly cuz of the poison thing
If I had the daedalus hammer boon which is like regen health with attack hits
God I only got that power up once and I made it so far w it
stoic raven
for poison, i just spam dash towards the nearest cure
proud elm
Yeah but I’m an attack spammer soemtimes I don’t even know I’m posited
proud elm
for poison, i just spam dash towards the nearest cure
Don’t u have to click e?
stoic raven
you should be hit by anything besides more poison and bad snakestone angles
dusty vault
Yeah but I’m an attack spammer soemtimes I don’t even know I’m posited
Well gotta fix that
stoic raven
Don’t u have to click e?
you do have to interact as well, but that doesnt do anything
stoic raven
on sword, youre supposed to dashstrike for infinitely more damage
proud elm
Yeah I use fists and I dash strike
dusty vault
If you wanna deal with styx you can also just take poseidon cast or dash along with breaking wave
proud elm
I switch between fists and so#word a lot
dusty vault
The small rooms make the enemies constantly wall slam and die super fast
stoic raven
So u can jus dash towards it?
sorry you got confused by me
i meant i dash towards the cure for speed, then interact. my point is that pressing interact to cure doesnt take much effort
dusty vault
Can also pause to check where the cure actually is
proud elm
I always go like an attack spam weapon cuz that’s like my play style dash and hold attack and hope for the best
dusty vault
Or just outright kill the enemies if there are a few left lol
proud elm
Can also pause to check where the cure actually is
Single player game I forgot lmao u can pause
Don’t u still stay poisoned even after their home?
dusty vault
What’s ur guys favorite weapon
Bow shield
If the room is cleared poison stops
So make your best judgement if killing whatever is left is faster than going for the cure
proud elm
Ahh
Hmm I supposed poison works real fast though
God I jus want the regen thing from Daedalus again
What’s ur guys keepsake rotation?
dusty vault
I always go like an attack spam weapon cuz that’s like my play style dash and ho...
This will hurt you in the long run as you are not getting any iframes to dodge
You need to learn when is safe to dash strike basically
proud elm
I start w Athena for door dash then idk I jus fucj around and pick like area and Zeus every level I get up
dusty vault
Not a bad plan tbh
proud elm
You need to learn when is safe to dash strike basically
That’s true I’m playing like an idiot
Yeah ares has some good attack boone and Zeus idk he’s a good spammer
dusty vault
The "meta" is basically
God 1 for your build > god 2 to complemente the defensive/utility flr ely and styx
proud elm
I’m horrible w coins though I should make a habit of saving till I get to Styx
proud elm
And I saw this one dude that like replenishes all ur death defiances that was crazy
He’s prob rare though
Or she I forgot what it was
dusty vault
Why wait till the last moment to try setting up everything
proud elm
Why wait till the last moment to try setting up everything
True
proud elm
I’m so mf glad I bought the game
I only bought it cuz my friend was like dude this is one of those games u would love and cuz it was on sale
No wonder it won goty
dusty vault
The "meta" is basically
God 1 for your build > god 2 to complemente the defensi...
Btw when I mean defensive keepsakes is basically almost always the evergreen acorn
Tooth/collar can be alternatives too
proud elm
What are sun of the good boons from them
dusty vault
For fists you can start zeus for his attack
proud elm
I wish posideon was acually good at this game
dusty vault
Pos dash is insane
dusty vault
Tidal/divine are like always your options
proud elm
Bro is there a limit on how many boons I can get
dusty vault
Dmg vs defense basically
dusty vault
Bro is there a limit on how many boons I can get
Not a hard limit but a run only lasts so lany chambers
dusty vault
For fists you can start zeus for his attack
To follow this, after that you wanna pick up static discharge and pom it
proud elm
Also I heard some abo heat like I can acually get more titans blood and stuff instead of like only 2 per qeapon
dusty vault
Picking storm lightning opens his legendary if you wanna gamble in that or can also take call
proud elm
To follow this, after that you wanna pick up static discharge and pom it
What’s Pom ?
dusty vault
Also I heard some abo heat like I can acually get more titans blood and stuff in...
That's spoilers for this channel btw
But in short ||unlocked after escaping once||
dusty vault
What’s Pom ?
Pomegranates, the boons lvl up
proud elm
That's spoilers for this channel btw
But in short ||unlocked after escaping onc...
I was like debating whether to open the spoiler
But I had kinda alread guessed that lol
Ahhh
Poms upgrade levels not rarity rifhr
Levels or rarity?
dusty vault
Levels
proud elm
Yeah I upgraded my dash to like epic and it didn’t do a big difference or any difference
dusty vault
Rarity can inly be upgraded through exchanges, eurydice ambrosia or ||rare crop from Demeter||
proud elm
I might burn out of this game based on how much I think and play it but tbh
dusty vault
Picking storm lightning opens his legendary if you wanna gamble in that or can a...
After you move to aspho you have 2 options
Take aphro keepsake and take the special to unlock zeus-aphro duo if you took his call
Or just take Athena's keepsake for her dash if you want safety
proud elm
Broooo my guesses for the last Olympian was like ||Apollo or Hestia or didn’t even consider demeter||
Shiz should I spoiler that?
dusty vault
Yeah
proud elm
How do I spoiler
dusty vault
|| on both sides of whatever you wanna spoiler
Or highlight text and click the eye icon on pc
proud elm
Yeah dang bro
Didn’t even consider that god
Percy jackson made me think I knew all the possibilities
What about Daedalus hammers
Like what are the possibilities of getting it more times and jus are they rare rare? And always get chaos rifhr?
Like take chaos boone always
dusty vault
On fists you want breaching cross as your priority (dash strikes do +900% dmg to armor)
Your best advantage with fists is stunlocking enemies and deleting their armor helps with that
proud elm
On fists you want breaching cross as your priority (dash strikes do +900% dmg to...
I was using that it’s so good
What about the regen thing? That seemed so good to me
Or jus both of them
I’d pick breaching cross over regen but if those two were combined I feel like that’s an automatic win
dusty vault
Like what are the possibilities of getting it more times and jus are they rare r...
You can only get 2 hammers per run normally
One can show up quite early in tartarus (or outright start with one) and the 2nd will only show up once in ely
dusty vault
What about the regen thing? That seemed so good to me
Are you talking of draining cutter?
proud elm
Ahh and it’s jus luck, like sometimes u don’t even get any?
proud elm
Are you talking of draining cutter?
I think so
2 percent per attack or soemthing I think
dusty vault
Ahh no
That's a a sword hammer
Wait no
Yeah is 2% if you kill an enemy with a special
So super specific to use really
I preffer long knuckle for safety
Or if using Demeter aspect explosive upper for dmg
proud elm
Nah the one I had was like 2 hp per hit
Or maybe I was wrong idk
I haven’t unlocked her yet
Tbh it’s prob a post run thing to u lock that’s my guess
Cuz ||she’s in the earth or whatever|| idk
proud elm
Ahh
sweet brook
cursed slash kinda cursed
dusty vault
Or maybe I was wrong idk
Demeter aspect is a different than ||her as a boon giver||
Have you unlocked all the weapons?
proud elm
Should I unlock extra mirror powers, I have to pay 20 keys rn for it
dusty vault
Also yeah 6 weapons
proud elm
I unlocked all death defiances finally
dusty vault
And dash strikes are way better on sword that the standard combo
It can work out if you also get flurry slash but I just don't like it
So I don't recommend it personally lol
dusty vault
Should I unlock extra mirror powers, I have to pay 20 keys rn for it
If you don't have anything else to do with them the yeah
The last mirror skills help a lot in influencing your runs
terse grotto
Since there doesn't seem much else to spend keys on why not. From what I can tell once mirror is unlocked they're mostly only used for trades
dusty vault
Yeah after you are done with weapons and mirror is just trade
proud elm
Yeah I usually jus spend em on trading prob sjpuld save for mirror now
dusty vault
Only tip is to carry at least 15 of them always
proud elm
Why 15?
dusty vault
In case the 15 keys for 1 blood deal shows up
proud elm
Ahh
terse grotto
And I guess two of the mirror perks take advantage of them, ||with help of one of the contractor upgrade||
proud elm
That’s a gud deal? I lowkey thoguht that was a rip off
dusty vault
Blood is way rarer specially for you rn
proud elm
Yeah that’s true
terse grotto
It's good once you can't spend keys on anything else
sweet brook
at a certain point keys are worthless and yeah blood is worth a lot and more useful
proud elm
I used 2 blood on the sword and one on the fist
That’s all I got I think
I shoulda jus maxed the fists out tbh
dusty vault
Kill the first boss with the other weapons
If you haven't yet it should drop more blood
terse grotto
I'd say maxing first aspect of weapons first thing isn't the best idea. There are some aspects that open up new playstyle a with just one point in them
proud elm
Yeah I only upgraded the zag ones
terse grotto
Also, apart from the bow none of the starting aspects are that great tbh
dusty vault
Fists have it kinda rough regarding aspects anyways
proud elm
Kill the first boss with the other weapons
That’s gunna be annoying lmao
I will
I can’t rmemebsr which weapon I need to kill w
How should I use the blood?
dusty vault
There's a pinned guide on what's the expected power you'll get from each aspect
If you just wanna wing it, you ca upgrade whatever seems fun, test it out in a run and if you don't like it
Press give up in the pause menu and it'll being your save back before spending the blood
Just don't go into zag's bedroom by accident or it'll save
Also might as well post it
How do I get more blood
-beating the first boss for the
first time with a weapon will net you one blood.
-final boss drops another + after that you unlock the best way to farm blood.
other sources:
trading for it at lounge (1 -ambrosia for 1 T.blood is always there and sometimes. -15 keys for 1 blood which is super good)
list of minor prophecies
-Charon may sell one blood for 1200 gold at the last area shop
proud elm
1 ambrosia for 1 blood??
That’s so much better than 15 keys lmao
Keys are annoying to get
dusty vault
For the keys one I just trade gems for them most of the time
Also don't go overboard with the ambrosia trade
While there is some excess of how much you need in total, if you trade too much then you'll need to get more through fishing or more trading
proud elm
Also lately I’ve been tryna farm meg everytime she allows me to gift her nectar, like I have only 3-4 more keepsakes to unlock and I haven’t run into them yet so I’m jus tryna get megs stats up too
terse grotto
as I've mentioned with mirror and contractor upgrades keys will have use in the actual run. So, eventually you'll accumulate them. Once mirror is unlocked you have nothing else to spend keys on, so 15 keys for one blood is extremely good trade considering that keys essentially have no value
proud elm
So I get pet
proud elm
While there is some excess of how much you need in total, if you trade too much ...
Oh yeah I have a fishing rod
Where do I fish?
Or is it ||post first run||
dusty vault
Check out for glowing spots in the water in any chamber
terse grotto
you will encounter fishing spots sometimes on basically every stage that has semblance of liquid. That includes lava and vapor-like waters of lethe in elysium
dusty vault
You'll also hear a ding at the start or end of a chamber to indicate if there is a fishing spot nearby
terse grotto
sometimes prince will even comment that there's a fishing spot nearby
dusty vault
Once you interact with the glowing spot is basically a patience/reflex game
Prss interact again once the blob flashes white
Depending on reaction you'll get a normal or perfect catch
proud elm
Why should i NOT spam the ambrosia trade, cuz rn ambrosia is more convienet than keys for me rn and like I mean I’ll unlock all the keepsakes soon enoguh
And I’ll max Meg
dusty vault
Normal has a 50/50 between a common or rare fish and perfect catch is 50/50 between rare and legendary
dusty vault
Why should i NOT spam the ambrosia trade, cuz rn ambrosia is more convienet tha...
Yeah if you are soon enough to get a companion just hold on a few
proud elm
I wish I could give her all of them at once
dusty vault
Getting them is only 1 ambrosia but you also use them for upgrading
dusty vault
Ohhhh
dusty vault
Is basically super nectar
proud elm
Oh
dusty vault
It replaces it at some point
proud elm
Do I need to save it cuz I can’t even trade em
Huh
Should I really priorize gettin all the keepsakes? Or get Meg first
I kinda wanna get Meg first idk what a companion is but sounds like that would help in runs
dusty vault
Do I need to save it cuz I can’t even trade em
Like I've said across all the methods for getting ambrosia there is a bit more than you need in total so you should be fine as long as you don't go crazy with it
dusty vault
I kinda wanna get Meg first idk what a companion is but sounds like that would h...
Depends on what you keepsakes missing really
Not all of them sre that amazing
I'd say max meg as far as you can
Unless you got lucky you'll run into a wall soon
proud elm
I wish Meg would jus take the stupid nectar Everytime I die, like sometimes she’s not there sometimes she jus won’t see it soemtimes she’s in a convo
dusty vault
Basically you won't be able to gift ambrosia right away
If you check the codex entry of any character you'll notice they have a lock at some point
proud elm
Wait I thoguht it was nectar I have to give for her to gimmie a pet?
proud elm
If you check the codex entry of any character you'll notice they have a lock at ...
Yeha hades has a lock for me rn I was curious about that
dusty vault
If you reach it then you need to do a favor for the character to clear it then you'll be able to gift ambrosia
Those favors are in theme of the character but not all of them are tomd to you in game
The short answer for like 90% of them is "just keep playing/talking to them"
proud elm
Hades wants a favor from me
He hasn’t asked me yet
That’s true I prob jus keep playing
Should I try to get my job back in the shop?
dusty vault
That one falls into the just keep playing category
Is the best way I can answer without more spoilers lol
But you won't miss it
proud elm
Do the important upgrades with the shards ever just stop
Like there’s always more bruh
Or diamond ones
dusty vault
Should I try to get my job back in the shop?
Admin chamber is used for some favors but is also a fun way to keeo track of your stats of your runs
If you want more run benefits you can avoid if you want for now
dusty vault
The latter
Use the diamonds to buy anything that impacts the run instead
If you have the diamonds work orders available you mainly want fated keys
proud elm
Jus when u think u start to understand the game there’s like 99 other things and stuff that adds to the lord
Lore
I might jus have to “keep playing” lmaoo
dusty vault
If you have the diamonds work orders available you mainly want fated keys
Is kinda worse for now as you don't have the actual mirror skill but might as well get it earlier
proud elm
Instead of tryna answer every question
dusty vault
I might jus have to “keep playing” lmaoo
After all is the point of the game
Gotta keep dying
proud elm
Yeah goals for tomrorow get mirror unlocks hopeuflly that’s it for keys afyer the 20, get meg pet, uhh get better at game and acually make it pst Styx w a good build
I’m gunna chill a lil bit on the gsme
I like it I don’t wanna burn out
unique orbit
I was wondering is there a way to get titan blood back from a weapon
wooden dirge
unique orbit
Dang it wanted to upgrade my spear more
terse grotto
keepsakes like lambent plume that stack, do you lose their effect if you swap it mid run for something else right?
final dune
keepsakes like lambent plume that stack, do you lose their effect if you swap it...
yes
stoic raven
hourglass'd items still keep duration though
leaden whale
does arty greater call deal more damage than aphro greater call?
even if they do the same damage I guess arte is better because poms actually increase damage
is it possible to beat ||hades|| hitless without hitting him with the attack or special or dash
I mean just sitting there with a shield, doing the calls
running to a corner, hold up the shield, and wait
dusty vault
is it possible to beat ||hades|| hitless without hitting him with the attack or ...
Also spoiler mark 
leaden whale
Also spoiler mark <:dusa:522248771409543188>
on what?
dusty vault
Final boss
leaden whale
ah ok
dusty vault
And regarding the question hitless and without attacking I mean ig?
leaden whale
And regarding the question hitless and without attacking I mean ig?
without hitting any enemy with the attack
dusty vault
Just get quick favor from hermes/smair
leaden whale
otherwise you can't hold up the shield
and also without getting hit
by anything
basically coming out with a ||5-use acorn||
dusty vault
Still applies it would just take boringly long lmao
There's afk runs with revenge boons
leaden whale
yeah
dusty vault
No need to spoiler keepsakes btw, is just anything final boss and beyond
leaden whale
wait, speaking of nukes, is it possible to run stygian, get arte leg and ton of chaos grasps and shots, and get a huge dio cast
just nukes galore
dusty vault
Prob replace arti's legendary with more chaos casts or prometheus stones
Her legendary is annoying to get
leaden whale
Prob replace arti's legendary with more chaos casts or prometheus stones
well, you would want pp anyways
dusty vault
Specially on non lodging casts cuz you can't get exit wounds
leaden whale
also it's not like I've never gotten it (okay i've gotten it only once)
leaden whale
Specially on non lodging casts cuz you can't get exit wounds
true
upbeat spoke
does arty greater call deal more damage than aphro greater call?
by my calculations only if at least 6 shots crit and that's at heroic level, so most of the time no, aphro does more
leaden whale
by my calculations only if at least 6 shots crit and that's at heroic level, so ...
so aphro is better
upbeat spoke
as a nuke yeah
dusty vault
Idk call poms
dusty vault
But her attack/special/dash poms are lmao
leaden whale
But her attack/special/dash poms are lmao
but cores don't pom very well
dusty vault
The first pom is a 20% increase, is already way better than the rest
Her cast also poms well
The dash is just there though
leaden whale
wait, is it possible to get hazard bomb, cluster bomb, and rocket launcher?
or just hazard, cluster, and triple
dusty vault
Hazard removes the other 3 from the pool
dusty vault
Triple also begone
dusty vault
You can only pair with targetting system
leaden whale
is it possible to get triple and rocket
leaden whale
how about triple and cluster
dusty vault
No
leaden whale
aw
I was hoping that a good anvil can get you those three
because triple clockets are gonna be insane
upbeat spoke
probably the reason it can't be done
leaden whale
is it a good build to run stygian, get a ton of chaos grasps and shots, get a few braids and prometheus stones, and get trippy shot
and pom it to pretty big and nuke everyone
dusty vault
Yeah that works
If you are doing Achilles spear you want ||ice wine the duo with dem too||
If you are doing hidden shield try and get mirage shot and avoid the other duo
leaden whale
If you are doing hidden shield try and get mirage shot and avoid the other duo
what's the other duo
i mean, I had fun with flood flare mirage shot
actually a lot of fun
dusty vault
The one I spoilered up, ||ice wine||
dusty vault
Ice wine is from ||Demeter||
leaden whale
oh right because ||dem|| is post-final-boss
still nacelle
||you just need to reach hades for dem||
dusty vault
The one I spoilered up, ||ice wine||
Reason for this is ||ice wine makes the flare have a delay on the explosion, also apparently it fixes mirage or trippy dmg or something like that||
leaden whale
Reason for this is ||ice wine makes the flare have a delay on the explosion, als...
wait mirage is glitched?
dusty vault
Oh boy
leaden whale
it does appear more powerful than the proclaimed 30%
dusty vault
If the cast says flare mirage cast does 100% dmg
leaden whale
I mean, once I got mirage only in elysium because my bad luck with shield hidden
and suddenly I blitzed through the rest
apparently my output doubled?
woah
dusty vault
So hera with dio cast or hidden shield with any cast (except thunder flare cuz it has 0 cast dmg)
leaden whale
okay I'm gonna stop talking about that run, literally a whopping total of 0 chaos gates showed up, and 0 ixions showed up
and I didn't get cshot
dusty vault
Also trippy flare has another bug on hidden shield
leaden whale
Also trippy flare has another bug on hidden shield
trippy flare?
leaden whale
wat.
dusty vault
Poms values are doubled
First pom is a 120 dmg increase
leaden whale
||beo is broken, got it.||
leaden whale
First pom is a 120 dmg increase
wot. da. hail.
but does the bloodstone drop right away?
dusty vault
And to make it funnier
Hera also uses trippy flare and has the mirage shot bug
But it doesn't have the pom bug
For whatever reason
leaden whale
yeah but does trippy flare drop the bloodstone immediately with ||beo||
dusty vault
but does the bloodstone drop right away?
Nah, this is the reason you use stygian
leaden whale
Nah, this is the reason you use stygian
okay
dusty vault
And why trippy flare isn't run as often as flood or passion
dusty vault
Cuz on top of your build you wanna luck out with your extra casts yeah
dusty vault
Nah
dusty vault
Its uses are mainly for ||high heat where getting mirage is harder, you use passion and priv status to have solid dmg||
leaden whale
Its uses are mainly for ||high heat where getting mirage is harder, you use pass...
because of ||RI||?
dusty vault
||also approval process||
Also if you are this advanced in the game why is this on the new players channel lol
leaden whale
Also if you are this advanced in the game why is this on the new players channe...
wait this is the new... nevermind
sowry
dusty vault
Also my fault for not mentioning it earlier lmao
sour quiver
oopsie
frigid meadow
if I hit a enemy with doom 3 times do they get hit by doom 3 times aswell? i cant tell
final dune
no
sour quiver
i should aim for merciful end boon right? for melee weapons
dusty vault
If its fists you can also just do zeus instead
And the rest can do aphro/artemis attack most of the time
sour quiver
I'm running nemesis atm
broken girder
Yeah it works well with arty aphro attack because even bigger crit damage
frigid meadow
are the keepsakes that are like ares even ''good''?
they dont feel like it unless you REALLY like 1 gods boons
final dune
are the keepsakes that are like ares even ''good''?
the god keepsakes?
yes those are the most crucial keepsakes in the game for making a build
if i could only pick one keepsake to use forever it would 100% be poseidon
frigid meadow
really?
final dune
yes
final dune
its all focused around creating a build
ares boons can be alright but need a duo to function
other than dash
his dash is pretty good
but ares can be really strong with the duo with him and athena
frigid meadow
yeah I get that, right now I have curse of agony with flurry jab its feels like a pretty decent combo
frigid meadow
i have to try more posedion
final dune
poseidon is basically jsuy dash
final dune
yeah
his dash is the best in the game for damage
and is basically universally applicable
frigid meadow
should I be just getting all the keepsakes? ive looked up what they all are
final dune
yeah
there are ofc some that are less good than others
but just for progressions sake get all of them
frigid meadow
ive been jsut giving them all to zeus cuz i thought you got something cool but I think you just get a quest
final dune
the most important id say are getting god keepsakes, and then the keepsakes from charon, eurydice, and sisyphus
broken girder
If you follow it to the end you get a nice drawing of Zeus
final dune
next from there would be skelly, hypnos, perhaps meg
frigid meadow
the most important id say are getting god keepsakes, and then the keepsakes from...
does that like make progession in the story?
broken girder
trying to get the ME has failed
If you really want it, keep at it it’s hard but absolutely overpowered
final dune
no those are just the best keepsakes
frigid meadow
oh alright
ive been using maxed out cerberus so i can just get more loot in 1 escape attempt
sour quiver
If you really want it, keep at it it’s hard but absolutely overpowered
i might be too far tho made it in to the third boss
sour quiver
ive been using maxed out cerberus so i can just get more loot in 1 escape attemp...
get the skelly one
final dune
skelly is alright
sour quiver
gives you 1 death defince
final dune
but eurydice is generally a better defensive keepsake
frigid meadow
I havent made any real attemps at esacpe in awhile but i get stuck at the minotaur fighht
sour quiver
ah yeah
frigid meadow
okay you were right ares cast's are broken
frigid meadow
does each god only have 1 boon of each type?
final dune
does each god only have 1 boon of each type?
?
frigid meadow
like does poseidon only have 1 attack boon
sour quiver
getting ME is hard
frigid meadow
you dont have call unless you get a boon for it right
dusty vault
Right
frigid meadow
how am I supposed to win vs theseus and asterius that fight is so hard
final dune
kill bull first
dusty vault
Target asterius first and fight always near a pillar so you can dodge the spear throw
final dune
stay near walls and pillars
dusty vault
Asterius charge isdodgedby waiting at a pillar then dashing at the last second so he crashes with it
frigid meadow
I am
dusty vault
Can also be a wall/theseus
frigid meadow
im dodgeing spears and focusing asterius
dusty vault
Then is a matter of learning patterns and having a decent build
As always best defense is just nuke your enemies
Also dashibg trough asterius allows more opportunities to keep doing dmg
Instead of away
If you get the bull down just stand next to theseus to bait him into the spin attack and dash through him to backstab him
Repeat till phase change where if you have the dmg/know how to dodge the calls this is your chance to do most of the dmg
Saving call for this can be worth as he doesn't hold the shield
After the phase change is done just go back to baiting spin attacks while minding the extra AoE
frigid meadow
im confused
the spear stab trap in elysium, what triggers it and does it hit me aswell?
tribal sandal
the spear stab trap in elysium, what triggers it and does it hit me aswell?
The spears are triggered by Zagreus standing close to the statues
It can hit you, yes
dusty vault
It can also trigger if enemies are nearby
final dune
basically
sweet brook
lmfao it do be like that sometimes
faint parcel
what does it do anyway
sweet brook
hera or aphrodite cast
faint parcel
aphrodite
sweet brook
hella short range but high base damage
faint parcel
sweet brook
the fun part about hera is that it fixes the range issue by slapping the cast at the end of the arrow
it also helps that aphrodite cast doesn't fly off into infinity if you miss
dusty vault
Sometimes you'll also get a bug in your beneit
(if you shoot your casts at certain angles they just won't lodge lol)
faint parcel
any specific way to grind some darkness?
dusty vault
Use a weapon that you already have reclaimed the bounties with so they drop darkness
Theb aim for as many chaos gates as you can to get darkness+%
restive portal
There's a bunch of stuff I've learned about darkness farming in my quest to get unseen one.
dusty vault
Don't forget to grab the pos boon and that's about it really
restive portal
Don't start with Poseidon though, wait until Elysium after you filled up the core boons to swap to his keep sake. Use Egg before that.
But since this is #h1-for-new-players I'm guessing you aren't getting darkness from final boss yet.
dusty vault
They escaped on run #12 lmao
restive portal
It's possible (later, after final boss and other things) to get over 4000 darkness in a run.
Wow, nice.
faint parcel
They escaped on run #12 lmao
and escaped on run #13 too
restive portal
Then let's move this conversation somewhere else to discuss without risking spoilers.
faint parcel
with hera i should be upgrading my casts instead of attack right?
broken girder
Yeah
restive portal
Yeah, mostly.
sweet brook
all your poms should go into cast more or less
broken girder
At some point the cast upgrades will make so little difference that you’re better off pomming the attack
But that’s very late
faint parcel
oh god -57% movement rate
frigid meadow
all the enemies in elysium is so tanky
cedar delta
Classic Elysium 
sour quiver
zeus ligtning + jolt makes dust of them
dusty vault
Get build check'd
sweet brook
elysium moment
cedar delta
Sorta kinda
broken girder
Get build check'd
Athena dashing through there
sweet brook
i think they're just as tanky if not slightly more tanky
broken girder
Unless it’s those 1hp thingys
sweet brook
but since there's like less enemies per room and it's a lot smaller, it's less pain to deal with
yeah lmao
dusty vault
Also don't need to kill them twice
cedar delta
And Poseidon trivializes things too
faint parcel
oh god a triple cast shot deals damage against meg
final dune
achilles spear, do i go for doom attack or doom special?
i would not pick these options
is slicing shot on the screen
sterile mica
i like doom a lot
final dune
what is the 3rd option
sterile mica
yes actually
sweet brook
even at level 1, 50% more cast damage goes kinda hard
also the 50% doesn't affect the doom number
faint parcel
which weapon has highest damage potential?
faint parcel
shield aspect right?
faint parcel
didnt expect the shield to be considered a good weapon
final dune
well like
shield has the speed and ||heat|| record
zeus is the best ||heat|| aspect
hidden best speed aspect
faint parcel
oh dam
sour quiver
love improving my times completing runs : 3 minutes faster
sweet brook
but if you get charged shot, you kinda just win lmao
sour quiver
27 minutes
i cant wait for hades 2 damn it 😄
good thing i started playing now instead of wwhen it released lol
less waiting
faint parcel
quadrople cast hera bow is pretty terrifying
i can sell my athena cast and take the aphrodite keepsake (elysium), shall i?
dusty vault
What lvl is your cast
faint parcel
sweet brook
i wouldn't sell athena cast
faint parcel
1
dusty vault
how
dusty vault
did you not see a pom at all
sweet brook
my brother in christ what happened to your poms
faint parcel
one but i went for the shop instead
dusty vault
no dark foresight moment I guess
sweet brook
that's my guess lmao
dusty vault
sweet brook
more boons doesnt mean more damage
dusty vault
I'll let bananas do the heavy explanation I need to study lmao
faint parcel
more boons means more boons
sweet brook
lmao fair
sweet brook
<:funuy:1127724322685993020> more boons means more boons
and also less damage
faint parcel
so no selling?
faint parcel
i dont really need to sell
sweet brook
you can sell a useless boon if needed
faint parcel
heartbreak flourish
life affirmation rare qual
sweet brook
take poms please lmao
sweet brook
i couldn't get the graph for athena cast but this is aphrodite's cast
which is slightly more damage
but like
a single pom would boost your damage by like 50 lmfao
generally speaking by elysium, you want like a level 4 or 5 cast, which would mean more than 200 damage per cast
which would be double your current damage roughly
faint parcel
i have never had a lvl 4 cast
best i got is 3 when i had 2 boons overall and coudlnt find more
sweet brook
do you have dark foresight unlocked in your mirror
faint parcel
it was a Doom special for the gun lmao
faint parcel
do you have dark foresight unlocked in your mirror
which one is that
faint parcel
oh nah
sweet brook
for hera, you quite literally only need 1 boon to win, which would be the cast
sweet brook
3 casts should 1 burst ely enemies unless they have armor basically
or at least like nearly kill
4 should be enough
but since you have like no poms
that's gonna be a bigger problem lmfao
||snow burst|| from ||demeter|| is also generally taken for more burst damage
but technically speaking, if you only had the cast and have it at a good level, then you're good
a good attack boon to help with break points would be ideal too
faint parcel
just upgraded the cast to 2
are you kidding me
and the third one is divine flourish
faint parcel
its also the second time i see deathless stand this run
sweet brook
it's unlikely you'll get 2 more athenas after heroes
faint parcel
elysium shields genuinelly hitting me more than the heroes
sweet brook
it do be like that sometimes
restive portal
You'll learn their timing soon enough.
terse grotto
what's an interesting build for zagreus bow apart from obvious artemis crit
finding it hard to utilize that special. It seems to have utility but it's damage is so lacking
viscid notch
No build will make the special good on zag bow
terse grotto
maybe ares? But that seems like just backloading the damage you could've done upfront
sweet brook
yeah
there's aphrodite attack lmao
get artemis special/cast to open up heart rend i guess lmao
but yeah there's not much variety you can do on zag bow
unless you wanna start tidal dash
faint parcel
is there any way to disable the aim assist?
sweet brook
in the pause menu under controls i believe
terse grotto
yeah, it's in controls
sweet brook
but also why woudl you turn off aim assist
sweet brook
oh lmao sure i guess
terse grotto
aim assist makes it possible to play one-handed with fists on a controller. You just hold attack and tap dodge 
frigid meadow
I know you havent seen how I play but should I be playing slower? It feels I take most of the dmg from just dashing arond too much
frigid meadow
Yeah I get it sometimes
sour quiver
get the god keepsake and you will most definitely get it at start of run
tall osprey
I know you havent seen how I play but should I be playing slower? It feels I ta...
If you attack while dashing, maybe you don't have any iFrames (but maybe I made up this)
frigid meadow
Hm i might try that
sweet brook
that's right
if you dash strike, your iframes in your dash is cut short
so empty dash to make use of your iframes and time them right
frigid meadow
What
tall osprey
iFrames = invulnerability frames
frigid meadow
so empty dash to make use of your iframes and time them right
Hm i was spamming attack and special spam with gloves
sweet brook
yeah there goes your iframes lmao
frigid meadow
But the attacks are so cool
sweet brook
you can attack and dash attack after you dodge their attacks with full iframes lmao
tight flower
unless you're using the bow (in my experience)
not because you can't dash attack, but because good luck doing it 
Dash attacks aren't something you usually want with the bow anyway thankfully
sweet brook
no you do want to dash strike with bow
dash strikes charge the bow faster for slightly less damage, but you keep mobility and safety still
sweet brook
yeah lmao
dusty vault
no way
sweet brook
lmfao
sour quiver
xD
sweet brook
this isn't the first time this has happened here tbf
tight flower
THANK YOU 
frigid meadow
I should try using my dualsense it might be better than m&k
sweet brook
so you're not alone lmfao
sweet brook
I should try using my dualsense it might be better than m&k
just personal preference of what you like and dont like
sweet brook
i recently got a ps5 controller and it makes my thumbs hurt but that might be lack of experience lmao
i've been using kbm for like 2 or 3 years at this point or whatever and i've been doing fine
frigid meadow
just personal preference of what you like and dont like
I like both I play pc and ps5 games all the time
frigid meadow
i recently got a ps5 controller and it makes my thumbs hurt but that might be la...
Yeah when I started playing console that happend to me to just pressing the thumbsticks way to hard
sweet brook
that might be my problem tbh idrk
slow plank
im really bad with controllers for that exact reason LMAO
i always hit the buttons and press the thumbsticks wayyy too hard
sweet brook
for my right thumb i move it around hitting buttons instead of like having my thumb on top of 2 buttons
so ik why that one hurts where it hurts lmao
my left thumb i'm assuming i'm just moving it around too hard or something
i was too focused trying to sub10 zag bow and hera to pay attention lmao
frigid meadow
Try just relaxing your hands more or maybe you habe your thumb in a weird postion
You might have smalls hands or smth idk
sweet brook
tbh i dont think the thumb is in a weird position
it's jsut that like
my thumb instinctually has the tip of it hitting buttons
i'm not used to having the middle of the finger hitting the button
like where the thumb bends is where i'm supposed to have a button, and the end of the thumb is where the other button is
for dash striking
just a habit i need to break tbh
frigid meadow
Oh I do not use my middle fingers for triggers hell no
sour quiver
imiddle figner for trigger?
sweet brook
that might be my problem with hera tho lmao
sour quiver
i use my point finger or whatever that is called
sweet brook
tbf i've only played controller for like 40 minutes which was 2 runs
sour quiver
i esssentially use my 2 thunbs and fingers
sweet brook
so like not much to go off of lmao
frigid meadow
i use my point finger or whatever that is called
That you have middle fingers on the triggers and pointer finger on the shoulder buttons
tall osprey
*you're supposed to hold it?*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Go to Skelios. Get the bow. Execute all the tasks that appear on top left
tight flower
I did!!
if you only tap after dashing, he does a piddly little tiny strike say 1/5th of the time, and i thought that was it and that the timing was weird!!! (the button prompt registers you've tried it, and i believe uses the same words as the other weapons for this differently executed action )
dusty vault
isn't one of the tutorials about the perfect shots
tight flower
Unfortunately that one's placed right underneath the non-dash strike and there's no equivelant for the dash-strike
tight flower
Nono, I was trying to dash-strike the same as every other weapon in the game (because i believe the language is the same)
frigid meadow
What
tight flower
when it's actually different and i just never realized
tight flower
I don't know where we're misunderstanding eachother here
think the dash strike with the sword if you tried pressing those buttons with the bow equipped
dusty vault
Unfortunately that one's placed right underneath the non-dash strike and there's...
oh I see where you got confused
still funny though
tight flower
it is very funny!
frigid meadow
~~still funny though~~
Does he mean the normal bow dash strike
dusty vault
they though that you couldn't charge the dash strike
as they saw the tutorial for perfect shots but it only mentions it for standing strikes
frigid meadow
Yeah I knew that
tight flower
it's funny as well because i can guarantee that i've accidentally dash striked many times
i'll be able to carry this knowledge into the sequel and to my friend playing for the first time, it's good that i finally learnt it here
dusty vault
dash strikes also make zag hold the bow differently
tight flower
like horizontally right?
viscid notch
The powershot is also a different sound
tight flower
mhm
viscid notch
Horizontal = standing strike
vital coral
how important is getting the perfectly timed shot to dps with hera bow?
vital coral
k
faint parcel
does the charge shot eve matter
sweet brook
It does on other bows
For Hera the bulk of your damage is the cast by like 95% lmao
You can just min charge it and launch the casts and it'll probably kill everything
Kinda same with Chiron except the fact that you need the additional damage for Chiron since the special damage is kinda mediocre lmao
dapper thunder
Guys any tips on how to unlock hidden aspects ?
final dune
do u have the spear one
dapper thunder
I have none
dapper thunder
Should I just unlock every aspect btw ? I have nearly 20 blood lying around, kinda fear the need to farm some more if I use it randomly
viscid notch
Should I just unlock every aspect btw ? I have nearly 20 blood lying around, kin...
No point in doing that. Just unlock an aspect whenever you want to try it, and level it when you're confident you like it enough, 20 Titan Blood is basically 1 maxed non-zag aspect so it's not much. You can also unlock aspects when you need to reach certain requirements to unlock the hidden ones
dapper thunder
Just did lmao, 5 left but forgot about the quest and I needed diamonds so it's not so bad
cedar delta
It gives you rewards for completing certain tasks
frigid meadow
the fated choice thing on boons?
cedar delta
Fated choice means you've yet to fulfill the condition for that prophecy
faint umbra
Checking things off the list by choosing boons or doing certain tasks, when you check off the entire list you get a reward
frigid meadow
is it worth it if its a bad boon
frigid meadow
oh wait is it just the check list thing in your room?
faint umbra
yes
frigid meadow
got you thx mate
urban sequoia
What use does the special nectar ||Theseus and Minotaur|| drop besides buying extra titan blood?
cedar delta
It replaces Nectar after you gain sufficient affinity
urban sequoia
What's affinity?
terse grotto
you know, that gauge with hearts each character has
you progress their relationship with them by gifting nectar, and at some point ambrosia
urban sequoia
Oh I see
I didn't see a point in going past one gift because that's when they gave me the keepsake, besides that they don't give anything, is that the case?
Feel free to tag me in another channel if this goes into spoiler territory
Also on another topic, the Daedalus Hammer upgrade that makes it so the bow shoots twice and has much less range, does it also mean that the damage is doubled?
dusty vault
Basically yeah
dusty vault
I didn't see a point in going past one gift because that's when they gave me the...
Certain characters do have an extra gift for you
And ||increasing your friendship ship with the olympians is keeded for the epilogue||
urban sequoia
Well crap
I've always sold all of those for titan blood, guess I'll have to farm for them at some point
Thanks
urban sequoia
Basically yeah
Just for clarity, is this an answer to the bow question?
dusty vault
There is some excess of ambrosia vs all that is needed
dusty vault
Just for clarity, is this an answer to the bow question?
Yup
Twin/triple are pretty good
urban sequoia
There is some excess of ambrosia vs all that is needed
Yeah it's just that I've been selling a lot of it lol
dusty vault
Gotta get fishing ig
urban sequoia
Or I should check out the trade guy and see what he trades those for
slow ridge
Does god mode affect achievements?
broken girder
No
urban sequoia
What does Greater Evasion actually do from ||Hermes||?
It says whenever you're hit you have a chance to dodge automatically
Does that mean it prevents me from getting damaged and zag dodges?
upbeat spoke
when you actually get hit there is a chance that you won't take damage
urban sequoia
Because if that happens after I get hit that sounds completely worthless