h1-for-new-players

[naive bear]

i was in a room with like 4 splitters and OMFG i was just dashing and praying

[sweet brook]

If you eat the big orb first then it won't be a bullet hell

[ashen pagoda]

get athena's dash, no need to pray just dash

[naive bear]

its like i was playing enter the gungeon

[naive bear]

ideally i dont want to take damage at all

[dusty vault]

Deflect on splitters is satisfying

[ashen pagoda]

until you dash right into one and face tank

[dusty vault]

Skill iss-

[ashen pagoda]

yeah everyone has that

everyone has skill issues

[sweet brook]

Simply do not die

[ashen pagoda]

there was one clear when i had to go with 1 hp the whole phase on end boss

i didnt find that fun

it took FOREVER

[cedar delta]

But did you find it exhilarating?

[naive bear]

pom or centaure soul what do i pick

[ashen pagoda]

i felt only stress as if my life was on the line

[cedar delta]

I like Pom

[dusty vault]

What boons you have

[ashen pagoda]

situational

[naive bear]

just 1 zeus boon im very early game rn

[cedar delta]

People pay good money for that

[dusty vault]

Which one?/also weapon?

[ashen pagoda]

if i did that on regular basis it wouldnt be stressful anymore, just another tuesday

[naive bear]

lightning strike and spear

[dusty vault]

Prob just heart

[ashen pagoda]

my last 4 zeus shield runs were super linear even if i only had zeus on special

[dusty vault]

You want to find static discharge and pom that

[ashen pagoda]

i would want to find artemis for special

and use special

[dusty vault]

On normal spear?

[ashen pagoda]

and hope for more zeus or artemis for chance of duo

i mean zeus atk on normal spear is even worse

[dusty vault]

Flurry is still an option

And is what they got for now so whatever

[dusty vault]

(that said they could get exploding launcher too lol)

[ashen pagoda]

which would work a lot better with massive crits

gamba city

and then i would keep going with arty's boons for crits and stuff

and hopefully maybe somehow get the rod to help me

but uhh plain exploding launcher+ arty's special doesnt exactly sound like a good time for hero duet

end boss probably not as terrible

personally end boss is less stressful than those two

[dusty vault]

Exploding works for later assuming you get charged skewer lol

[naive bear]

how many times does doom stack

[dusty vault]

Doesn't stack

[ashen pagoda]

UNLESS

you get more boons

specifically one boon

[naive bear]

should i get ares' aid or curse of vengence

[ashen pagoda]

but the stacking isnt exactly stacking

[dusty vault]

I like vengeance

[ashen pagoda]

both are meh

[dusty vault]

Ares doesn't have a call

What's the third option?

[ashen pagoda]

whats the third option

haha

[naive bear]

?

[ashen pagoda]

(it sucks)

[naive bear]

slicing shot but im not a fan of it

[ashen pagoda]

actually it doesnt even suck until you get a boon for sucking in

such disappointment

[dusty vault]

Prob just vengeance then

Can sell it later

If you had artemis, taking slicing open their duo

Which makes slicing shot way better

[ashen pagoda]

without upgrades and not going specifically for that build is kinda big eh

[dusty vault]

Works well enough

[naive bear]

wtf how do i go from nearly beating elysium in one run and nearly dieing to meg in the very next run

[dusty vault]

It do be like that

[broken girder]

It never gets better

[ashen pagoda]

Dps issue

The longer the fight takes the bigger chance you'll make a mistake while avoiding getting hit

While technically it's entirely possible to complete the run on the first ever attempt on a savefile, it is nearly impossible to do without extensive prior experience

Because its basically mirrorless run

[craggy peak]

So think of it as a max RI run

[ashen pagoda]

I think you'd have to spell RI for them BTW no spoiler channel

[naive bear]

how is swift strike and greatest reflex common but greater haste is epic

swift stike and greatest reflex seem wayyyy better

[ashen pagoda]

Uh, it's random

[final dune]

swift strike sucks

but yeah

any boon can be any rarity

[dusty vault]

Epic isn't how better is the boon

[final dune]

like

[naive bear]

oh

[final dune]

haste is 20/30/40% based on rarity

dashes is 1/2/3 based on rarity

[naive bear]

its not?!?!?

[ashen pagoda]

Praise be heroic boons

[dusty vault]

See purple pick purple mentality

A classic

[ashen pagoda]

See orange pick orange always

Even if you don't need it

[naive bear]

when i saw a legendary i damn near screamed

[ashen pagoda]

See green pick green, but if its stubborn roots, look for an earliest opportunity to sell

[final dune]

stubborn roots is fine

the sell duos are like

unshakable mettle

parting shot

[ashen pagoda]

Stubborn roots is yet to save my run even once

[final dune]

saved my first 50

[craggy peak]

TD timer damage is like 5 per second right

it can save you a bit there I guess?

Roots

[abstract scaffold]

So I’ve managed to get to Meg twice but can’t beat her yet. Feeling completely frustrated, there’s got to be some better strategy than dash slash retreat and repeat. With my vision everything seems so small.

I will say though, I’m finding keys easier and I found the lounge and contractor, so now I just have to get my mirror upgraded.

Can you have stubborn defiance and death defiance active at the same time?

I also have lucky tooth active

I’m at 58% damage resistance and rising, I’ll never leave god mode for my own good

First goal is finish chapter 1, that would be huge

[cedar delta]

Can't have both types of defiances active simultaneously, at least not via the mirror. Aim to attack after Meg does an attack, otherwise you may end up eating tons of damage

[final dune]

is it condensed specifically horizontally or vertically

cause if it makes it easier you can try setting resolution to something like 1024x1024 where it stretches it out vertically and condenses horizontally

[abstract scaffold]

It’s a pinhole in my right eye only. I get very close to the screen to play, but too big is too spread out and too small is, well, too small.

I have a good size screen but hp is in the way lower left and i can’t track it and focus on fighting and look at it.

I wish I could figure out Meg’s attack windows, same with a lot of enemies, the projectile enemies and the spike traps give me the most trouble

I tried the shield, but I feel it’s situational.

Does Meg have a set attack pattern or is it RNG what she does?

I’m good at learning if the pattern is set, like in Crash games

[cedar delta]

Do you need to keep track of your HP? I figure it's either there or it's not, and what really matters is how I'm playing

I don't think anybody has a set pattern, though they do seem to go through their repertoire of attacks before repeating most kinds of attacks

[abstract scaffold]

Ok then. I guess I was wrong when I thought this game was a 2D sidescroller, those types are much easier for me since left and right are your main directions.

Anyway I’ll just work on getting starting HP to 100 so I can go longer.

[sweet brook]

enemies generally only have 1 attack they do i believe

in later biomes some of 2 i think

but if you see a certain enemy start to do a wind up, it'll always be the same attack

bosses have a set of attacks they can pick from

they're all telegraphed, so it's just memorizing the telegraph to the move

[abstract scaffold]

The issue is, are they audibly telegraphed? I’m not seeing the windup very well. For enemies that like to shoot stuff it’s hard to see where they are.

[cedar delta]

Not much in the way of audible telegraphs that I've heard

[sweet brook]

they might be audible but i've never payed attention to that

[abstract scaffold]

I’ll keep plugging away, I just hope I don’t get to the point where I regret buying this game, it’s extremely fun, just not vision accessible. Guess that’s why it’s called “video games” LOL

[cedar delta]

Some of the later areas may get really hard with pinhole vision It's kinda a shame that there aren't a ton of audio cues a la Final Fantasy XIV

[abstract scaffold]

Oh well, it’s only equal to a decent meal out where I live, so it’s whatever. I’ll do what I can with it but I’m someone who likes to see the end of a run for myself once I start.

60% resistance now btw

Oh and I just got thick skin! Just wish it’d go much further than 10 ranks. That’d be good for serious struggles

I may just may make a compromise and have a friend run the game with me when I go for a true win. I have one who’s really persistent and he never quits

[sweet brook]

with hades 2 early access around the corner, we can maybe ask for audio cues lmao

[cedar delta]

Would be nice! I've heard of fairly blind FFXIV players happily playing mostly via audio cues

[opaque lily]

Could someone give me a quick guide on how to get a true ending without spoilers?

Ive beat the game 8 times and got in hades' room

[dusty vault]

Just keep winning

[knotty sphinx]

just keep winning

[opaque lily]

Feeling like sisyphus in this mfer. Am I somewhat close?

[dusty vault]

Really close actually

Credits are reached by just winning runs

Only other thing is if you wanna know how many runs are needed

[opaque lily]

Nop i would not

Thanks a lot

[abstract scaffold]

Could we seriously ask for a way where God mode to include increasing max health per start until a really high number? That would encourage someone like me to keep going and I could eventually eat damage more if I needed.

Maybe an optional “restart at current chamber” setting? Dead Cells is like Hades but the assists are numerous and come in tons of combinations to suit your individual needs and wants

[sweet brook]

isn't damage reduction basically more max health

you're able to tank more hits

80% damage reduction at max god mode is a lot

[abstract scaffold]

It may be a lot for most, but I still struggle in Dead Cells with both that 80% reduction and 80% enemy health reduction. Later bosses like Dracula are still awful.

[cedar delta]

It's certainly way more effective HP than 60% resist

[abstract scaffold]

But I see where you’re coming from. I still have more reduction to build up

I have to kind of see it as having a minimum of 250 hp without resistances, 500 once I get thick skin up, and can’t forget the death defiance.

Which one is better? Lucky tooth or spiked collar? Of course you can only choose one…

[final dune]

collar if u have god mode

[abstract scaffold]

Wait really? I thought lucky tooth was better because it would grant you full health on dying. With death defiance at 3, that’s 350 total base health, but with collar I don’t think it’s as much.

What makes collar better?

And don’t get me wrong I’m going to upgrade my keepsakes regardless

[final dune]

it's not full health

just up to 100

and only one time

collar is 50 hp and then 25 every dd

[abstract scaffold]

Sorry, what is dd?

[final dune]

death defiance

[cedar delta]

Death Defiance. Delicious dandelions (they're actually nutritious). Daredevil

[abstract scaffold]

Okay so you’re telling me with DD at max of 3 I’ll be starting eventually with 225 max health every run and with DD I’ll respawn with 113, not to mention 3 heal per room and hearts and random drops

Now that I’m on the subject of hp, is there a way to get starting hp up even more regularly?

And how do you convert found darkness to hp? I heard you can do that

Tell you what though, I’ll just keep playing with no pressure to win until I get things as far up as they can go. Thx for all the help

[sweet brook]

that's a more late game thing iirc, you need a few clears to get that

[sweet brook]

in the mirror, dark foresight helps a bit

you get more gold laurel rewards with it, and hearts are included in that

[abstract scaffold]

Yeah sounds good, I’m working hard on the mirror. How many items are on that thing anyway?

[sweet brook]

12

keys unlock 2 at a time or something i believe?

if you just got thick skin, dark foresight should be in the next set

[abstract scaffold]

Ok.

I’m also looking at the renovator guy, but most of his stuff says only cosmetic. Not many underworld renovations.for gameplay that I can tell

[sweet brook]

they come later

mainly from progressing in runs

[abstract scaffold]

So I have to actually start completing chapters to get those going. Nice…

Looks like it’ll be a long term investment of spare time

Well thanks again. I’ll do more grinding. Like you guys said the other day, it’s a game made to see just when you’ll die, not if in most cases

[sweet brook]

sounds about right lmao

[jaunty rivet]

Is there a recommended titan blood upgrade sequence once you unlock all of them?

[proven pivot]

Whichever weapons you like most imo

[knotty sphinx]

why the heck did the hades 2 trailer played whilst i was playing hades

[final dune]

steam page open?

or something

[knotty sphinx]

okay maybe that

i was literally in tartarus vibing and suddenly i hear hades noises

[jaunty rivet]

Gosh that's tough, I like so many.

[proven pivot]

List them and I'll give thoughts then

[sweet brook]

there's a tier list pinned here

[jaunty rivet]

I still haven't got the hang of some of the aspects. Nemesis, and all fists except the original one

[sweet brook]

all the fists play the same more or less

sword in general you special -> 2 dash strikes -> repeat

you kinda dont really change much about play style

sword builds for each aspect tend to be different, but all the fists build the same

[proven pivot]

Unless you're a gamer and abandon merciful end on fists. Then you can unlock different builds for at least one of the fists

[sweet brook]

i mean outside of ME they're still more or less the same

zap fists, drunk fists

i guess plume dodge on zag

but that's about it

[proven pivot]

Hidden fists has some... unique... builds

[sweet brook]

namely 1 lmao

[steady lark]

Cool PPL play chill fists

[proven pivot]

Cool people play hidden sword

[abstract scaffold]

Okay so you guys were right about this collar. It’s at 1* so far and already making a world of difference. Shield is also letting me gather myself and wait for attacks to audibly hit the blocker so I know when to maybe attack.

The stone miniboss is usually very damaging but with shield and staying on one line of movement I think I lost maybe 10 health, which is really low things considered

I love Artemis’s true shot, it seeks enemies for me, just what I need

[sweet brook]

ngl i dont think damage reduction works on that miniboss since the lasers does 1 damage very quickly lmao

but honestly no clue how that works

just had that realization

[sweet brook]

tbf it's not bad, but it shouldn't be your main damage source

[proven pivot]

It works really well until it decides to target the wrong enemy

[sweet brook]

you can use the cast to apply boiling blood (mirror perk) for more damage, but that's about it

[proven pivot]

You should try Poseidon's cast. As long as you hit something in the general area of your target the target is gonna take huge splash damage

[sweet brook]

(my point still stands tho lmao)

[proven pivot]

True. Most of the time cast isn't your primary damage dealer

[sweet brook]

it's probably doing good work in tartarus, but the damage will fall off in later biomes so dont get too accustomed to it rn

[abstract scaffold]

I’ll try that. And btw I sort of gave up on God aids, the recharge seems way too long. I can’t ever seem to recharge it. Is it even worth using?

And how do you re-up it fast?

[proven pivot]

Oh they're incredible with the right builds

[abstract scaffold]

Oh and is there any purpose for left trigger? Haven’t found one yet

[proven pivot]

They charge through dealing and taking damage. IIRC doing big damage with one hit charges more than many smaller hits even if the total damage is the same. I can't help you with controller, I use keyboard

[sweet brook]

Many smaller hits charges the call more

[proven pivot]

I remembered wrong!

[sweet brook]

Hit amount > dealing damage > taking damage or something

But yeah calls in Tartarus aren't generally worth going for

The call is probably more useful for the boss fight there

Various god boons help with the charging rate

[proven pivot]

Other aid advice that I'm actually 100% in: you don't need to charge to max boost, the smaller charges are very useful too. Honestly in many cases more, and Zeus is absolutely incredible with calls

[sweet brook]

Oh yes smaller charges are much more useful than greater call

[proven pivot]

Zeus's call is very very strong, and he has numerous boons that boost calls in some manner

[proven pivot]

I think Athena vs the 3rd boss might be the only time there's an argument for the big charge.

[final dune]

aph and arty calls are both useless without full call

[proven pivot]

I completely forgot about their calls

[proven pivot]

He's got ways to reduce charge time, boost your damage after a call, and a a LOT of his boons apply to his call's lightning to push them even more

[abstract scaffold]

Where on the screen is god gauge anyway? I haven’t been able to see it.

[final dune]

bottom left

under hp

it flares when you reach each tick

[abstract scaffold]

And is there a boss health bar? I can’t tell how close to beating Meg I am but I got further than ever before

[final dune]

top

[cedar delta]

Yes, but later after feeding lots of nectars and such

[proven pivot]

It's also only there when you have a call

But yeah unless you see an epic level call that happens to already work well with what you've got going on it's probably not worth choosing over other things in tart most of the time. At least imo

[abstract scaffold]

Figured out that throwing the shield can deflect enemy aattacks. I’m losing far less hp doing that than I was using the sword. It’s nice to know shield never breaks

I DID IT!!!!! MEG IS DEAD!!!!!!

Shield literally saved my ass. You stay on one constant line of movement, make it a 1D battle of sorts and let the shield tell you when it’s time to go. Slow but effective

[proven pivot]

Fun fact: all weapon attacks can delete projectiles. Well actually there's one specific weapon that can't but you don't need to worry about that for quite awhile

It's just not like. Easily doable on most attacks

[abstract scaffold]

I still have my death defiance in my pocket, even if barely

[sweet brook]

Is it all or most

[abstract scaffold]

But now I get to use that precious titan blood

[sweet brook]

I'm pretty sure it's most but idrk

Oh you addressed that already

I need sleep

[proven pivot]

Yeah I think there's literally one that can't and I really wish it could because it would be really funny

[abstract scaffold]

Okay so should I start upgrading weapons right away, or should I take 200 gemstones from contractor and turn it into renovations/keys and stuff?

So much to consider

[cedar delta]

I'd not trade for gemstones, though I'd potentially consider other trades. Keep in mind that weapon upgrades will consume 5, 15, 16, and 15 blood for each aspect of each weapon

[abstract scaffold]

I didn’t read this in time. I got the gemstones, but they went to more keys and getting the fountains maxed out. But don’t the fountains not heal for much anyway? I mean, 30% on even 20 healing is only 26

But I’ll be doing more mirror work soon. Got the prophecies unlocked while I was there

[cedar delta]

You'll be able to get plenty more blood later, though not for a while. I consider the fountains worthwhile. Might as well maximize healing wherever you can

[naive bear]

I just broke my streak of always doing better than my previous run I couldn't even get past the gorgon in asphodel 😦

I fking hate her I always get paralysed

[naive bear]

for the 2 punchy fists does the dash strike count for only the 1st hit after a strike or does the whole combo count as being part of the dash strike

[stoic condor]

It’s the first input after a dash

You’ll see a difference

[jaunty rivet]

Trouble is dash strike is harder to execute and it isn't consistent

[stoic condor]

i wish they put in a voicechat for this disc

[flint gale]

Shield is easily the best one

[jaunty rivet]

I managed to clear Hades with sword by using cast, either Poseidon, or crystal beam. Otherwise I managed to clear it using the Arthur aspect, not as dependent it seems on dash strike

[abstract scaffold]

I got to the second biome for the first time yesterday. Having trouble even exiting rooms now, the river of blood is literally everywhere and does massive damage

[raw coral]

You'll get the hang of it

Just do not sit in the hot stuff

Congrats on the progress!

[opaque lily]

Bro wtf

I just dreamed about getting aspect of gilgamesh

This thingy is so incredibly difficult to get for no reason

[dusty vault]

The fault of rng

[fiery plank]

Asteriusposting

[opaque lily]

Literally woke up and was so confused why I didn't have jt

[jaunty rivet]

I'll keep persevering with Nemesis, I have never beat the game with it.

[naive bear]

Wait should I put a spoiler on elysium

[faint umbra]

thats okay, but please dont evade the swear filter

[naive bear]

Oh mb

[sweet brook]

Are you on keyboard or controller

Because dash strikes on both should be pretty easy to do

[naive bear]

is there any difference between a normal attack and dash attack with the rail gun

[ashen pagoda]

what do you mean by difference

its the same for all weapons

[naive bear]

like usually theres a slight damage difference with other weapons but the dash attack is the exact same damage as the normal attack on tye gun

[ashen pagoda]

honestly no clue but for balance's sake that would make sense

[raw coral]

Most of the weps have an attack and a dash attack, they have different visuals, hit boxes, and damage values

I think it's most obvious visually on the spear

But the rail doesn't have a dash attack afaik

[dusty vault]

Its just an extra bullet basically

It gets any dash strike buff that you have

But the hidden aspect of the rail actually can't dash strike nor get any buffs to it (hunter dash and chaos lunge boon are diaabled)

[still nacelle]

so what is the problem with ||lucifer|| and iframe that i keep hearing

[dusty vault]

You are still holding out attack while dashing, that removes your iframes

[naive bear]

the gun hits like a bloody string bean wtf

its so bad

which weapons have the best aspects

[broken girder]

Bow and shield

But it also comes down to personal preference ig

[dusty vault]

Use zeus attack

If you put something like aphro attack yeah its gonna be a pea shooter

[sweet brook]

Bow and rail have all 4 good aspects
Bow has one aspect that's pretty mediocre but it's still like more usable and has a more fun gimmick than others lmao

Shield is just generally always good tho

[naive bear]

how good are aspects for the gloves and spear

[opaque lily]

The hidden aspect seems kinda broken

But its hard to get if you're unlucky

(If you're me)

[broken girder]

It depends, idk much about the spear, but I think builds don’t differ much between the different aspects of the gloves

[dusty vault]

Spear, Achilles is regarded as the best

[naive bear]

the....hidden aspect?

[opaque lily]

?

[broken girder]

You didn’t see that, don’t worry about it

[dusty vault]

Do you have aspects unlocked?

[opaque lily]

He mentioned aspects

[dusty vault]

Hidden means the 4th aspect in the menu

[naive bear]

oooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhh i thought there was an aspect where u had to do a really sectret thing to get it

[naive bear]

about 15 mins ago

[dusty vault]

Is kinda tbh

Just not as secret as much as "play the game"

[opaque lily]

Nah

You need Spear hidden for it

[dusty vault]

Which is unlocked by ||unlocking other aspects||

[drowsy lantern]

Hi!
I suddenly had the urge to play a rouge like and wanted to try my hand at Hades.
But before i bought the game, I saw that a gameplay in youtube posted at 2 years ago and 8 months had a different starting.
One with 2yrs ago. didn't have any cutscene explaining why Zag is trying to escape but 8 months old had a full blown cutscene explaining his escape before the first attempt.
Was this cutscene added in later updates or is it cuz of a DLC or such?

P.s: I just joined the server, so i dont know if this is the correct thread to ask this question..😅

[dusty vault]

If its the cutscene I'm thinking off, that is a flashback you get at some point early after starting the game @drowsy lantern

Zag goes like "I could sleep right now">interact with bed>flashback begins

If you mean some cutscene as soon as you create your file, there's only the "few tales are told of hades" speech

[stoic fossil]

Who are the characters zag can romance with?

[broken girder]

Than Meg dusa

[stoic fossil]

Thanks

I was kinda hoping you could romance with Hypnos but Meg is somewhat hot too I guess

[drowsy lantern]

Aaah Ok.
I got confused a bit..
Since game throwed us into our first attempt without any explanation as to why he is escaping

I guess it gets explained afterwards

[dusty vault]

Yup

Game starts with zag already knowing his reason to escape and what not

[drowsy lantern]

Yeah, i just bought the game on epic and got that few tales speech only.

[dusty vault]

And to be specific
It starts on the first escape where a god contacts you

[drowsy lantern]

Thanks man

[naive bear]

wait what zag can romance characters!?!

[dusty vault]

Yup

[naive bear]

i feel like that should be a spoiler

[drowsy lantern]

Yeah. First god who contacted me is athena.

[naive bear]

or maybe im just to much of a noob

[drowsy lantern]

IS it same or randomized for everyone?

[dusty vault]

By channel rules is not technically needed to be spoiler but I personally do

[dusty vault]

First few runs have a set of gods who'll show up

[drowsy lantern]

hooo got it

So far combat is smooth and fast af.
Just wished they would have given that reason as to why zag is trying to escape after the speech ...

[raw coral]

It'll all be revealed to you soon enough

[naive bear]

why does hades (the game) portray hades (the character) ||as zagreus' father when his father is zeus in greek mythology||

[upbeat spoke]

in some versions he is Hades' son

[sweet brook]

Creative liberties

[naive bear]

||i know the game also did the same thing to nyx which honestly makes it feel like checking out zagreus' actual mythology is literally a spoiler||

[dusty vault]

I mean yeah, is basically a re telling

With some liberties taken on some characters

[naive bear]

wait really?!?!

[dusty vault]

Also yeah

[naive bear]

these bloody greek writers cant get the simplest things to match up

[still nacelle]

they used zagreus because he's a relatively unknown god, people fear hades so there is little story about him

[small olive]

The game does bring up an explanation regarding the inconsistencies regarding Zagreus in Greek myths, though it's perhaps better experienced first-hand.

[upbeat spoke]

also Zagreus specifically there is so little info about him that it doesn't really matter much

[still nacelle]

https://youtu.be/CIk8Y9qkYx0?si=hoi4_coQQCfnBrzi&t=248

theseus got replaced lmao

no wonder he's so salty

[faint umbra]

hades is sometimes referred to as "chthonic zeus" it seems

[upbeat spoke]

also that yeah

my understanding is that people were afraid to invoke Hades' actual name, so they would give him these descriptors and such and one of them was literally "Zeus of the Underworld"

[knotty sphinx]

if i do really high heat, do i still get rewards for doing the lower heat if i completed that high heat run

[broken girder]

You get the rewards for the stage you were at, but you don’t skip any

[knotty sphinx]

i dont get it

like if i beat meg on 32 heat with the sword now, do i still get the rewards if i beat meg with 20 heat??

[cedar delta]

You get rewards from the lowest available heat level

You could beat Meg at 32 heat twenty times and get rewarded up to twenty times, once for each heat from one to twenty

[knotty sphinx]

ooh

interesting

[knotty sphinx]

first attempt at 32 heat

i made it to elysium

almost made it to the heroes

[gritty elm]

How do I get the hidden aspects

[sweet brook]

pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[abstract scaffold]

So I went further than ever before and died to hydra. I thought I’d be collecting titan blood from Meg like I did before, but it didn’t happen. What’s with that, and what’s all of this with heat? I didn’t know it existed

[cedar delta]

Different bosses drop different rewards once per difficulty level (AKA "heat" level) per weapon. You've already gotten Meg's drop at your heat level of 0 for whichever weapon you're using

[final dune]

they haven’t won yet tho right

[cedar delta]

Has made it to Hydra so far

[shy robin]

how long does it take hades to pick up? i'm six hours in and it's not really grabbing me, am i doing something wrong or is it just not for me

[final dune]

well it depends on what you're not liking it for

it's possible it's kinda just not for you

for me the gameplay was interesting from the very start but the gameplay does get more complex as you play more

by like

several orders of magnitude

and the story introduces more moving parts

[cedar delta]

Hades: dying is fun. Or at least Supergiant makes it worthwhile by turning it into social time

Is oonoow skipping dialogues?

[shy robin]

i am not

it's really weird i like the characters i absolutely love the art style the music is great

but the actual gameplay for some reason doesn't grab me

[cedar delta]

Oh huh. Maybe you just need to meet the right weapon!

[shy robin]

ive used all six of them at this point, the bow and the spear do feel nice

ill give it some more time, was just wondering if it's one of those games where you have to beat it once before everything starts running, now i know what to expect a bit more

[cedar delta]

But have you tried all four aspects of the six weapons? 👀
It is indeed one of those games given it's a roguelite

[gritty elm]

Should I trade my epic heartbreak flourish +191% damage for heroic deadly flourish for 20% crit chance and 112% damage?

[ashen pagoda]

Weapon? Other boons? Zone?

[gritty elm]

The blade, call and crit chance 3% (were the other options) and elysium

[atomic vapor]

guys waht does diamond and ambrosia do

[broken girder]

Shine and taste good,
|| you can buy stuff at the contractor (was it contractor?(the guy that builds stuff)) with diamonds, and further deepen relationships with ambrosia ||

[atomic vapor]

0_0 -_-

[naive bear]

which of the shield aspects is the best

im only using shield becuase it apparently becomes really good with aspects

[broken girder]

It’s always kinda good, best aspects are Zeus and || hidden || tho

[naive bear]

i just bought it and it hits with no damage

[broken girder]

Wdym?

[naive bear]

i mean 8 damage isnt exactly good

and when ever i hit an enemy while the shield is spinning it just bashes them away from the spinning shield

is there some shield tech im missing?

[dusty vault]

Either bash enemies into the special or recall it to reposition, use Zeus boon special for your dmg

After that, find static discharge and pom it

Zeus^2 gets better the more zeus boons you find

[broken girder]

Also jolted is very good right?

[dusty vault]

Double strike/splitting bolt/add some zeus call

[dusty vault]

That's static discharge

[broken girder]

Oh

Sorry

[dusty vault]

Jolted is the effect

[naive bear]

i can see why the zeus special boon is good its literally an electric saw going to enemies

[atomic vapor]

Shield is good for blocking attacks

It's kinda easy to use against minotaur

[broken girder]

|| Yes but Theseus becomes a slight problem if you purely focus on the Minotaur with the shield ||

[atomic vapor]

As long as u r wary of the pink target on ur head ur fine. Tbf I still lose because I don't know thesues' openings

[naive bear]

which daedalus hammer is best for shield

[naive bear]

im wary if i should click on this im too scared lol

[atomic vapor]

So far I have only defeated Theseus with the railgun. I use special behind him when he charges up

[atomic vapor]

It's a spoiler for the third boss

[broken girder]

What was the furthest you got?

[naive bear]

theseus and minotaur guy the little motherfudgers

[broken girder]

Alright you can click on it

[atomic vapor]

Yeah that's what this is lol

[naive bear]

oh that was my plan damnit

[broken girder]

I just wanna spoiler as little as possible

[naive bear]

understandable the problem with this channel is that it covers evrything from the beginning up until the end boss

[naive bear]

im using zeus boons plus athena dash

[broken girder]

|| technically you can tank almost all of Minotaur and the first spear throw, gotta rush away before the recall, after that you can just block and rush all the time until it’s done, it’s slow that way, very slow, but it works ||

You can click on that

[naive bear]

im too impatient for that when it comes to that fight i always end up mashing every single button including the pause button

[broken girder]

|| also try to ignore Theseus at first, don’t get him below 50% if you haven’t killed the Minotaur first, you probably already know that, I just wanna make sure ||

[naive bear]

idk why i always end up going for|| minotaur first then killing theseus probably bcs minotaur is just a clingy schmuck||

[broken girder]

It’s better that way

|| Also try to load the aid up while fighting the Minotaur and once the activation of second phase of Theseus is over do a full call, idk much about the other but the Artemis call on lvl 2 alone should do a lot of damage ||

[naive bear]

which daedalus hammer is better, explosive return, empowering flight or breaching rush i was thinking of going empowering flight bcs it seems to go well with zeus' special boon but knowing my poor game knowledge its probably the worst one

[broken girder]

I think explosive Return, if you recall close to the enemy

[naive bear]

how do i know when ||theseus|| 2nd phase starts

[broken girder]

|| 50% of life or when he raises his spear and calls for aid ||

[naive bear]

||i think ill be doing that against minotaur quite a bit im not too sure about against theseus tho||

[naive bear]

thanks

[broken girder]

Good luck

[naive bear]

how big is the radius for it

[broken girder]

I honestly don’t remember

[naive bear]

||im still in asphodel im just planning ahead||

[broken girder]

Good planning is important here

[naive bear]

im still salty that i couldve got past both area 2 and 3 for the first time in the same run. im avenging my past self by killing that egotistical bad word finally

btw which aids are good, all i know is that apparently ares' aid sucks and from my own experience zeus' aid sucks too

[broken girder]

I find Artemis good, i just go with it bc it’s pretty much instant damage

[naive bear]

ik that jolted makes enemies damage nearby foes but does it also damage themselves

stupid question sry but i just wanna know

[broken girder]

Yes I think so

[dusty vault]

Yeah it damages themselves

[dusty vault]

Zeus call is great

Dio call too

Athena is good defense wise

[naive bear]

ofc the things i call bad are good thats just me

[dusty vault]

Lol fair

What is good for calls is don't wait to have the 4 bars full

Most calls work best as lesser calls

(reason why aphro-zeus duo boon downside doesn't matter)

[atomic vapor]

Try to keep a pillar between u and Theseus or hold ur attack button to block the spear

If u time it right u can Dodge or deflect the spear back

[atomic vapor]

He calls the aid from a different god each time

Does Theseus have any openings tho?

[naive bear]

duo boons?

[dusty vault]

Oh you haven't seen them yet?

[naive bear]

nope

[dusty vault]

Duos are boons that need boons from 2 different gods to be offered

For example artemis attack + aphro special opens heart rend

Weak makes enemies take extra crit dmg

At some point a work order that adds a boon list to your codex should appear

It includes the requisites for a boon to show up

[dusty vault]

After a spear throw he spends some time retreating back

Or if you dash through his spin attack you can hit him too

During the phase change he's completely vulnerable

[naive bear]

this is it

this is the moment

all this planning

hopefully to not go to waste

im fighting them

[dusty vault]

Vs ely boss?

[naive bear]

yep

[dusty vault]

Remember to kill asterius first

Is a pain if Theseus starts the phase change with him around

[naive bear]

im gonna get a swig of water i need my mind to be in tip top shape

[naive bear]

does minotaur have a phase change

[dusty vault]

Yeah but it isn't much change

[naive bear]

ok

[dusty vault]

I also don't know how to explain it without spoiling

[naive bear]

ok

[atomic vapor]

i actually defeated theseus before minotaur wtf

[dusty vault]

He has lower hp so it can happen naturally

[naive bear]

OMG

YES

TY SO MUCH FOR THE HELP

[dusty vault]

Gg

Have fun with the bites now

[naive bear]

i had 2 touch of styx and a touch of styx dark so instead of my stubborn defiance healing for 30% it got me to max health lol

[naive bear]

the........what

[dusty vault]

Wait you are using stubborn

[naive bear]

yea

[dusty vault]

You'll see

[naive bear]

lemme guess it sucks

[dusty vault]

Not really?

It has different uses tho

If you are having issues with all combats then I can see why you'd use it

Once bosses are your main issue, death defiance is way better

[naive bear]

i developed the best strategy for mino i did my special and attack a few times that dash through him and repeat and i was just shredding him

[dusty vault]

But considering you have touch of Styx dark it shouldn't be much of an issue

What keepsake are you using?

[naive bear]

id rather die to a boss that not get to a boss especially in a new area

[dusty vault]

If you are gonna keep using stubborn for a while it doesn't hurt to mention this

[naive bear]

i used athena for the 1st area, zeus for the 2nd, and skelly for the 3rd but i havent needed it yet so imma keep it

[dusty vault]

You can use Athena boons to gain up to 2 dds

[naive bear]

but im tempted to use cerby keepsake for the extra health

[dusty vault]

Do you have Eurydice's keepsake?

[naive bear]

the acorn?

[dusty vault]

Also explaining this:
If you use your stubborn and in the same room pick either of the Athena boons that give you a death defiance back, you'll get one and stubborn will come back later

[dusty vault]

Yeah

[naive bear]

yeah i do

[naive bear]

so u get dd until u use it then u get stubborn

[atomic vapor]

yeah had alot of area damage also took the cast of the ice god where crystal attacks enemy

[naive bear]

which keepsake should i use for area 4

[ashen pagoda]

I mean if you have no dds after u use skelly's then acorn

[dusty vault]

Stubborn gets used first hefore any dd

[naive bear]

i havent used skellys effect tho btw

[ashen pagoda]

Then keep it ig

[naive bear]

ooooohh thats actually rlly good then

[dusty vault]

Acorn is good to start lvling up but I say keep tooth

Is your first time here

But acorn can easily block more than tooth's 100 hp

[naive bear]

so if that happens then i should have both a stubborn defiance and a death defiance for a boss fight if my skill permits

[dusty vault]

Yup

[ashen pagoda]

Or nearly nothing depending what hits u lol

[naive bear]

whats the difference between acorn lvl 1 2 and 3

[dusty vault]

3/4/5

(final boss related) ||his weakest hit is for 20||

[ashen pagoda]

||unless he summons a ball||

[dusty vault]

Is rare that acorn goes to waste anyways

[dusty vault]

the real strat is not getting this

Next run try swapping to acorn in ely

You'll get some lvls in between ely and styx

[naive bear]

||WHAT THE HELL I HAVE TO FIGHT CERBERUS NOOOO I LOVE HIM SCREW THIS GAME||

[dusty vault]

Keep going

Is a fun fight dw

[naive bear]

should i click this or is it a spoiler

[naive bear]

i dont wanna kill him

[dusty vault]

Final boss

[naive bear]

i dont even wanna hurt him

[ashen pagoda]

Final boss mechanic spoiler so idk

[naive bear]

ooooh im not clicking that

[dusty vault]

Like I said, keep going

Maybe violence is the answer

Not in the way you expect it

[ashen pagoda]

|| I LOVE to imagine new players' faces when they defeat final boss. "WAAITTT THERES PHASE 2?????||

[naive bear]

is health or damage more important idk what to pick

[naive bear]

is this styx related or final boss related

[ashen pagoda]

Depends on how confident you are in your build

[dusty vault]

Boss

[naive bear]

the thing is the pom is locked behind an elite whereas the centraur heart isnt

which makes it hard to decide

[dusty vault]

Elite fights are easier

[ashen pagoda]

I wonder if Darth is going to lose because of this. You know, not expected?

[dusty vault]

Think 1 big enemy vs big maps full of enemies

[naive bear]

...................

[ashen pagoda]

I mean keep going the game keeps on giving

[naive bear]

screw it im going elite ig but i feel like the zeus build is more suited towards crowd control

[dusty vault]

Works for both, really

[naive bear]

you @broken girder and @ashen pagoda are like my guardian angels every single tip and bit of advice has come from you guys so thanks 🙂

[ashen pagoda]

I'm only here for the fun time... If I was another player I wouldn't try to find optimal decisions and just play the game and see what I get

[naive bear]

i should probably be doing that as well to be honest

[ashen pagoda]

Which is exactly how hades 2 will go down for me

[naive bear]

when i get hades 2 imma make a promise to myself to not ask anyone for help unless i wanna jump off a cliff

problem is with exams im gonna get it super late which means knowing my spoiler magnet self im just gonna know every plot point

[ashen pagoda]

I mean on the launch day there's gonna be minimum of useful advices

Early access day, that is

[dusty vault]

Will be fun watching hades 2 meta growing in real time

[naive bear]

i chose the elite room and ive had to face 3 chambers of enemies and im still not at the room yet

[ashen pagoda]

And crumbling because balance patch

[naive bear]

why would they nerf/buff weapons in a single player game

[dusty vault]

Styx gaming

[ashen pagoda]

" OH this weapon deals +1000% damage because bug!!!" And the next week it's the most useless weapon in existence

[naive bear]

4 chambers without a bloody elite omg

[ashen pagoda]

Fun coefficient goes down if challenge is removed

I mean somehow they didn't fix mirage shot on shield and its meta to this day

[dusty vault]

People were too busy playing charged flight

No one noticed it

[naive bear]

in charons shop in styx why does athena boon cost 450, hermes boon cost 500 but artemis boon cost 150

[dusty vault]

Expensive has better rarity

[ashen pagoda]

Hermes is more of a gimmick and you only get a certain maximum amount per run afaik

[dusty vault]

Also yeah Hermes is limited

2 per run, chance for 3rd at Styx shop

[ashen pagoda]

And instead of Hermes there could be random hammer bag

[naive bear]

if u dont cure poision does it just run forever until u die

[ashen pagoda]

Which is GAMBA CITY

[dusty vault]

Poison kills yeah

[naive bear]

and whats the damage increase like

i swear it stacks

[ashen pagoda]

It doesn't exactly stack but I think it's like lava

[dusty vault]

If you get hit by poison multiple times it does increase

[ashen pagoda]

Hmmm

[dusty vault]

Idk exact numbers tho

Just that it gets up to like 5 dmg per tick quick

[ashen pagoda]

It kills quickly so yeah..

[broken girder]

Those curing places are placed as far away possible, always

It’s annoying

[dusty vault]

Can pause to check where it is at least

[ashen pagoda]

Not always too far away but sometimes the position is like "wheeeeereeee"

Cause it blends with the environment

[broken girder]

|| Or when you get poisoned , and every bit of free space around that weird tree is full with poison puddles ||

[naive bear]

what is the spoiler about

[broken girder]

Styx

[naive bear]

||i hate the puddles SO MUCH||

[broken girder]

They are very annoying indeed

[naive bear]

is the wall bash extra damage only for shield

[broken girder]

No, but in most other cases you need Poseidon boons

[naive bear]

is it worth waiting for max god gauge for artemis aid or just doing it when 1 bar is full

[broken girder]

In Artemis case I think full is worth it

Since it’s just pure damage, it’ll be a lot more if there’s more

[dusty vault]

Yeah for artemis don't bother with small calls

Unless you wanna use them for Iframes

[broken girder]

Also for Artemis aid, the first level up does a lot of help, also any boons from her that up the crit damage or chance are good for it as well

[naive bear]

next to the poseidon boon theres like a big bag, can i claim both or just one

[broken girder]

Both

You have to

[naive bear]

phew

[dusty vault]

Congrats, you are done with Styx

[broken girder]

Welcome to the first hell outside of hell

[naive bear]

nope after this i still have to do the charons coin one

[broken girder]

You don’t have to

All you need is that bag

[dusty vault]

If you have the sack just go out

[naive bear]

oh

i might still do it for the coins though

[dusty vault]

You won't get another fountain to recover health if you get hit now

Also do ypu still have touch of styx?

[naive bear]

also how good is sunken treasure

[naive bear]

i dont think so

[dusty vault]

Is just gonna run out if you go to another tunnel most probably

[broken girder]

It’s not worth the risk, unless you’ll be able to buy smth really good from Charon

[naive bear]

is the bag in a randomised room

[dusty vault]

Press B on keyboard/- on controller to see

[dusty vault]

In short, yeah

[broken girder]

Yes, unless you use the speedrun mod pack

[dusty vault]

Only rule is that the first tunnel you enter will never have it

[naive bear]

im in a boon menu i cant rn

[dusty vault]

Pretty sure you can

[naive bear]

should i get rare sunken treasure

oh im stupid i can

[dusty vault]

Other options?

[naive bear]

rare flood shot or epic tidal dash but i wanna keep my athena dash

[dusty vault]

Also is treasure the drop a bunch of rewards or the other one

[final dune]

drop

[dusty vault]

Yeah just take it

Get lucky and get it to drop a diamond

[naive bear]

i dont think diamond was an option it was just health darkstones gold and smthing else

[dusty vault]

Gems

Diamond/nectar are also possible but they are a stupid low chance

Is funny

[naive bear]

so low the game doesnt even mention it

||nooooo i died to hade he was on like 40% hp as well||

[dusty vault]

Rip

You'll get em next time

[naive bear]

i swear i was taking damage out of no where

is it a bad idea to keep on trying the zeus shield zeus boon combo

[dusty vault]

Is a super good build

Only thing "bad" would be that you aren't experimenting with other things but that's for you to decide

Experimenting also gets easier the more you mirror grows/once your know boons pre requisites

[gritty elm]

Do chaos boons affect shattered shackle?

[dusty vault]

No

[jaunty rivet]

Does Aphrodite attack boon stack or do any damage over time? I'm mostly favouring Dionysus for that

[stoic raven]

only dio stacks

[dusty vault]

Aphro boons have the highest % modifier

[stoic raven]

and dem

[final dune]

no

dem is lower

[dusty vault]

What

[stoic raven]

[final dune]

oh i thought you meant dem also had highest %

[north ice]

Is skelly's companion item good?

[cedar delta]

Can be if you tend to burn Death Defiances like there's no tomorrow, especially as you're learning the game

[north ice]

ah

[north ice]

Is the god's legacy or god's pride upgrade better?
(god's pride gives +20% chance for epic boon, god's legacy gives +10% chance for legendary and duo boons)

[sweet brook]

Pride

Getting 1 duo generally isn't that difficult and builds generally center around getting 1

And even if you don't get it your build is still fine

[jaunty rivet]

Which moves would be best for Aphrodite?

[cedar delta]

Big, high base damage hits like bow Attack, Hestia's super shot, Arthur, etc.

[abstract scaffold]

So upset with myself rn. I came really close to beating hydra, had a death defiance going in and a total of around 200 hp to use and still failed.

How do you do the third phase? I couldn’t tell if I was doing damage and everything was hard to detect

I’m using the shield to block so that’s a plus, but I’m feeling like the damage is pathetic starting in Aspadel. So close but so far to getting out of those stupid fire rivers

Btw you guys were right about the flood shot. It’s hitting most of the time and things are easier with it

And just fyi I’m almost maxed on starting health, and I’m working on my third dd, God mode resistance is almost filled too

[upbeat spoke]

if you killed all the other heads then it's pretty much the same boss afterwards, just avoid headslams and projectiles and you're golden

anytime he raises his head to do slam just go away

[abstract scaffold]

I thought I killed them all but I couldn’t see it clearly. Starting to find out this game may be too fast and complicated for me, even with god mode

[upbeat spoke]

until they are all dead he's invulnerable, so you have to clear them

[abstract scaffold]

Thinking about it I doubt I killed them all. When the other heads appear is when I take massive damage because there’s too much going on. How can you possibly fight it without getting destroyed from everywhere

Oh god…

So I probably should’ve beaten it but I forgot about heads in the back corners of the arena…

Welcome to “finding out what happens when you don’t pay attention” LOL

[broken girder]

Focus on one at a time, do as much damage on one and move on the next, the ones on the other side rarely affect your fight on this side, and the big head also can’t do much other than fire projectiles if you are on the edge, and you can easily dash through those

I cant Type sorry

[abstract scaffold]

Do two heads appear after first phase and four appear after second? Are they at the corners of the arenaz? Asking so I can get a direction reference for the next time.

[broken girder]

I think it’s 3 and then 4, they appear you can say corners but more like on a line of like half a circle

hemisphere that was the word

[abstract scaffold]

Shield seems a bit weak, but I use it for block/bull rush/throwing. I can’t wait to get all the weapons so I can get an aspect started

[broken girder]

It greatly depends on your build, the base shield can also do tons of damage

[abstract scaffold]

Yeah, I know no weapon is actually bad

I’m using things that hit areas and can get me moved quickly. So I’m always hoping flood shot comes up, it’s amazing

Btw are health fountains found outside of tarteris? Just checking

I always save my gold for hearts and restoring health

[broken girder]

I think you need to buy them at the house contractor

[sweet brook]

i'm pretty sure it's 3 then 6

the 3 is random locations

the 6 is along the perimeter

[sweet brook]

shield has pretty bad damage unless you get charged shot or pulverizing blow hammer

[sweet brook]

yes, just gotta buy them from the house contractor

[abstract scaffold]

But don’t you give up bull rush for charged shot? That seems like it makes things tougher

[sweet brook]

on the other hand

they cant damage you if they're dead

80 base damage is hella high

[abstract scaffold]

No wonder the meg fight takes so long for me to do well. Finally learning with her

[broken girder]

You can still block and don’t rush into traps

[sweet brook]

yeah you can still block, you just wont have that long invincibility with the bull rush

you can wait for attacks to hit the shield then release the charged shot

[abstract scaffold]

But the witch circle and gorgon are incredibly difficult

[sweet brook]

blocking has an audio cue so that's nice

[abstract scaffold]

Too many witches, and being turned to stone, well, sucks of course

[sweet brook]

witches circle should be fine for cshot

you can hang by one of the corner islands and just slowly cshot away

[broken girder]

Block shoot dodge repeat

[sweet brook]

instead of like rushing into attacks/projectiles you just have to wait them out

cshot is one of the best hammers comparitively to other aspects lmao

it gives you so much more damage compared to base shield that sacrificing some invulnerability is worth it

the cshot also isn't variable damage like bull rush, it'll always be 80 no matter the distance

[abstract scaffold]

Do the witches in witch circle stand still? If so I’ll remember that and use a corner island

[sweet brook]

they stand still once they reach a certain range iirc

if you run, they'll chase

so that they'll be in range to attack

[abstract scaffold]

So basically get to a corner edge fast so you’re not surrounded on all sides and that makes block/shoot easier?

[broken girder]

Yes, just be careful when the lake starts spitting lava at you

[sweet brook]

i dont htink that happens in witches circle

although tbh idrk i usually blitz through it lol

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1158305645343277126/image.png?ex=651bc3b2&is=651a7232&hm=96d79713d259c8ea97b5870ca6b7bc286c56e356a89b420f102723504bdfdbde&=&width=1213&height=670

but like where i'm standing rn you is a pretty good spot

one will spawn above where you're standing at the end of the island

one spawned in the middle, which is seen on the left

2 more will come over to where that witch is

so it'll be like 3 on the left and 1 above you

also note that you can spawn on the other side, in which case everything will be mirrored

but same strat

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1158306242742190160/image.png?ex=651bc440&is=651a72c0&hm=62881719511a7e530a7de7561cb70250224235d1e8786ca9d98ea2296450743d&=&width=1132&height=670

this is a better pic lmao

[abstract scaffold]

Ok sounds like a really bad question but I’m even having trouble with the doomstone and skeleton minibosses

Yes I’m getting through but I guess I’m tanking it more than anything

[sweet brook]

yeah bombers are kinda just pain

for doomstone, try and clear the smaller crystals around you while hitting the main one at the same time

if you have boiling blood leveled up in your mirror, use that a bit

should marginally help, but every number counts lol

for bombers, whenever they jump i'm pretty sure they leave 3 bombs behind so be mindful of that

[abstract scaffold]

Yeah, I reset my mirror and am getting thick skin and dd first, then the rest. I also saw what the green side is like

[sweet brook]

when they chuck a bomb that's just more on your reaction time and whether or not you can see it, idk a way around that lmao

most of the green side in the first part of the mirror is largely useless

[abstract scaffold]

Is there anything in green that would help a lot with surviving consistently?

[sweet brook]

hm

abyssal blood i guess instead of boiling blood? i think that makes enemies move slower or something

but boiling blood is generaly considered better because damage good

stubborn defiance intsead of death defiance lets you die in normal rooms more often since that refreshes every chamber

but makes boss fights more difficult

[abstract scaffold]

Would dark regeneration help, or is it better to just have the 3 heal per chamber?

[sweet brook]

3 heal per chamber

it adds up over the course of the run more

also makes taking chaos gates less punishing

since you heal off 6 before entering the next room

other than those tho, nothing in the mirror really helps with survivability

oh second dash

but that's it

do you have olympian favor vs dark foresight in the mirror unlocked?

[abstract scaffold]

Sounds good. I’ll let you guys know if I manage to get to the third area, and if I do I’m hoping I have at least one dd in my pocket

Not yet. But when I do what should I use?

[sweet brook]

Dark foresight

[abstract scaffold]

People say olympian favor is better for power

[sweet brook]

Who's "people" lmao

Dark foresight is a whole lot stronger

[abstract scaffold]

Ok. Looked up some stuff on internet but you guys seem like you know what you’re doing. After all you blitz through Aspadel like it’s nothing so I trust you

[sweet brook]

It's a lot less obvious in strength but it's very strong lmao

Dark foresight also improves survivability and build strength lol

[cedar delta]

More centaur hearts awoo?

[abstract scaffold]

Oh yeah and everyone knows I’m going to need that like they’re going out of style

Guess it’s a patience game right now, so much to do and so many things to devote resources to.

I got to the part where you’re kicked out of administrative area. What currency do you need to get the contractor to let you in again?

Is it that ambrosia stuff? I haven’t found any yet

[sweet brook]

Ngl I don't remember but it'll show up in the contractor desk

[cedar delta]

Special contractor stuff is almost always diamonds

[sweet brook]

True

[abstract scaffold]

Where will you get diamonds? I haven’t seen any yet.

[broken girder]

You will soon enough

[sweet brook]

Isn't it on the door before you enter the hydra fight

[broken girder]

Should be

[sweet brook]

I guess that could be hard to see lmao

Shiny object on a reflective orb thingy

[abstract scaffold]

Oh boy that’s right. I need to beat bosses to get diamonds, and titan blood, and ambrosia.

BTW I thought the broker always sells titan blood. Haven’t seen it other than a special offer

[sweet brook]

It does once you get the right currency to

[cedar delta]

I can't wait until Black is like 🐱❔

[abstract scaffold]

One last thing, is it only keys you need to unlock all the weaspons? I’m pretty sure I have four of them so far

[wooden dirge]

yeah only keys

[crisp spoke]

how do I connect a controller to pc for the game?

got it to work

[craggy peak]

You need keys to get the weapons, and another resource for “upgrading” the weapons

[north ice]

Do the furnature items you can buy from the house contractor do anything? (Besides look cool and give additional dialogue)

[dusty vault]

Anything that isn't a work order won't affect your runs

[left flare]

i just beat the end boss for the first time 😭

i feel like i've progressed really far

but at the same time not that much

[dusty vault]

Invest 5 blood in a weapon and talk to X character

What characters is pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[north ice]

Tysm

[steep storm]

Hades

[north ice]

||Does the legendary aspect for the shield's charge up thing count as a blade rift? (I'm wondering if Ares's boons which affect blade rifts affect the aspect)||

[cedar delta]

I don't understand your question. Specifically, what are the "legendary aspect" and "charge up thing" that you mention?

[north ice]

The aspect of Guan Yu for the spear. And the primary attack you can hold to charge up.

[sweet brook]

No it doesn't

[cedar delta]

shield's charge up thing, you said ree

It doesn't no

Has to be the beyblades from Ares himself

[north ice]

alr

yea i was using the shield at the moment and I got them mixed up lol

sorry

[abstract scaffold]

Ok so I got a surprise today

Thought I’d be fighting Meg, I ended up getting Elacto and she’s very difficult.

[north ice]

Ok sorry that I'm asking so many questions but:

does the "Urge to Kill" boon affect the broken shackle?

[abstract scaffold]

There’s literally traps everywhere in the arena and I lost both dd’s and most of my health.

Any good strategy for her? The spike traps are killing me

[north ice]

Elacto is the one that screams "murder" right?

[abstract scaffold]

I think so, but in any case my strat against Meg isn’t going to work, there’s spikes along every straight line I try to stay on with shield

[north ice]

I usually just run up, hit her a few times, and when she's about to attack, I dash away.

Just try to keep your cool, and all the bossfights seem a LOT slower

(and easier)

[broken girder]

For Alecto, try to take it slow, you’ve got a shield after all

[north ice]

Yea

[broken girder]

Also Alecto is the one that gets angry over time

[dusty vault]

If the boon doesn't go into the slots of the left, no.

[north ice]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

THAT one

[broken girder]

Ye

[north ice]

yea just try to do the opposite of what she's doing and you're fine

(aka, keep your cool)

[cedar delta]

Alecto is the one who says "redblood" and "trash god"

[north ice]

yeah now i remember

[abstract scaffold]

That’s easy to do at the beginning, but when I bull rush after blocking and I keep running over spike traps I can’t even see it gets super frustrating

[north ice]

I have a serious medical condition known as: "Being stupid", so please excuse that

[abstract scaffold]

Plus the enemy spawning

[north ice]

try to avoid the edges mostly, don't bull rush into corners or anything

try to keep near the middle if possible

[cedar delta]

Does Alecto get reinforcements?

[north ice]

I think so

[cedar delta]

Oh. Must be confusing her fight with Tis's

[north ice]

That's what i did earlier lol

[abstract scaffold]

And unfortunately that’s what makes it so hard. Being in the middle means you can be surrounded by reinforcements, and it’s just plain nuts

Hoping I won’t always have to fight her after first region, I like Meg better

[north ice]

I honestly don't have much good advice for the fury sisters, I kinda just attack em a ton before they can even move

and it works for some reason

[abstract scaffold]

Ok so I just unlocked the twin fists. Should I use that or should I stay with the shield? I know the fists do lots of damage fast

[north ice]

The fists are really good for damage, but not so much protection

They're really good if you can dodge well though

[dusty vault]

Just try them out, really

[north ice]

Yea tbh, try em out and if you like em, keep em

[broken girder]

Tbf I find that after the shield, the fists are the second most defensive weapon out there

[north ice]

really?

[broken girder]

If you get Athena on attack you pretty much block every projectile from the front

[sweet brook]

You also deal no damage that way

[broken girder]

I find that it works perfectly

[north ice]

which way?

[broken girder]

Probably not for || high heat ||

[sweet brook]

Athena attack on fists

[broken girder]

But until 8 it served really well

[north ice]

ah

[sweet brook]

Just because something works doesn't mean it's that good or effective lol

[broken girder]

True but it’s simple

[sweet brook]

Esp early game builds

I just wouldn't call fists safe even with that build

[north ice]

Not every build has to be the best, it just has to be fun to use.

[sweet brook]

True but also "fun" wasn't the objective here it was safety lmao

[broken girder]

I mean zag fists with the plume worked quite good but yes you are right there’s a lot of better things

[north ice]

Fair enough

[sweet brook]

Zag fists plume is probably safer than Athena atk on fists lmao

[abstract scaffold]

I have to say, though, running up the stuff and mashing. The special button is doing kills pretty quick. For now, I’ll just hope I get through the first boss with the weapon and get another titan blood.

[broken girder]

Especially if you get additional rate from Hermes again

[sweet brook]

More or less yeah

[broken girder]

What’s the highest dodge rate possible in the game?

[sweet brook]

How much is heroic greater evasion lmao

40%

55% off of zag fist and that already

[cedar delta]

The real defensive option is hidden aspect rail with Athena attack, preferably with Swift Strike from Hermes

[sweet brook]

Only the tip deflects not the whole beam

[cedar delta]

That's news to me 😦

[abstract scaffold]

OK, so I took way too much damage, but I did complete the fight with the girl that screams murderer. Any case, it was so satisfying just a whale on her with my twin fist special.

[stoic raven]

tisiphone^

[abstract scaffold]

Does anyone know how that Bossfight system works? I mean, do you know which sister you are going to see, or is it now just random?

[cedar delta]

Random despite Zagreus's best attempts to guess

[dusty vault]

Random

[stoic raven]

no, first run is always meg

[dusty vault]

[abstract scaffold]

SCOOOOOOOORE!!!!!

[north ice]

?

[abstract scaffold]

Hydra is gone and with only 3 hp remaining in my final life! That’s epic stuff right there

Twin fists and special all day

[north ice]

Damn nice

[abstract scaffold]

Not safe but it worked

[cedar delta]

Grats! 💎

[abstract scaffold]

Now I’ve had it with this RNG

It knew I was going to die any second so it gives me a boon where I can restore HP with my special, only to die right away and not enjoy it

Completely rigged

[final dune]

draining cutter is pretty bad

[cedar delta]

It's pretty darn hard to actually farm HP with it outside of like Styx rat rooms or Tartarus numbskull rooms

[abstract scaffold]

Died to chariots. These new enemies are insanely strong and even fists takes a long time to clear a room

[final dune]

what build

[abstract scaffold]

I entered third zone with 100 hp and died in the third chamber

[final dune]

what attack did u have

[abstract scaffold]

I had twin fists with boons to special, but I’m not sure what build I’m wanting to stay with for good since I’m still early

[final dune]

if u had no attack boon thats gonna be why everything took so long to kill

start with zeus's keepsake and take his attack

[abstract scaffold]

What about the spiked collar? Should I put it on after first area?

[final dune]

sure

[abstract scaffold]

That 50 hp makes a good difference

[final dune]

but having a good build is gonna make a big difference in survivability

[abstract scaffold]

Maybe I’ll go back to shield since I know what to do with hydra now

Shield will likely protect me from a lot of the damage I was taking by using fists

[final dune]

yeah fists are very unsafe

[abstract scaffold]

Honestly I’m shocked that was my best escape run.

[final dune]

id probably recommend rail

[abstract scaffold]

What’s better about rail? I know it’s a gun but don’t you have to aim it?

[final dune]

good damage without aspects

[abstract scaffold]

And wouldn’t it have lower damage since zit’s ranged?

[final dune]

pretty simple

[final dune]

no

the melee weapons are lower damage

[abstract scaffold]

Ok. So I’ll need to get more keys to unlock it, then I’ll try it. I’ll likely go between that and shield since they’re safer

[final dune]

for rail just start zeus and take his attack

find static discharge from zeus

get divine dash for safety if u want

[cedar delta]

If you're on controller, you can use and abuse autoaim on ranged weapons

[abstract scaffold]

Found a diamond at second boss, so things are slowly moving

Isn’t it diamond I need to buy titan blood? Or is that ambrosiaz/

[final dune]

you should be able to exchange both for blood

2 diamond can go into 1 ambrosia

and 1 ambrosia into 1 titan blood

[abstract scaffold]

I don’t see that option yet. Is that with the broker?

I didn’t know auto aim existed on controller for everything ranged

[final dune]

broker

[final dune]

auto aim is very generous in this game

there are a lot of intended challenges but hitting the thing you want to hit isnt one of them

[cedar delta]

Autoaim works on like everything, actually. Not just ranged

[final dune]

yea

you can play keyboard only

the only stuff which is rlly annoying to aim is like

flurry shot bow

[abstract scaffold]

So anyway, I guess I have to play more. The broker has no ambrosia option and no titan blood option

Guessing I have to beat the third boss to get ambrosia then it’ll be there

[final dune]

yeah

[abstract scaffold]

And there’s the rail! Taking it for a run and we’ll see how it goes

[sweet brook]

If you don't take Zeus attack then it sucks btw lol

[final dune]

make sure to start zeus

rail without zeus is really miserable and boring and sucky

[abstract scaffold]

My goodness the grenade auto aim on that special is good

I see what you guys mean, I can just stand there and fire even while new waves are spawning

Ok I’ll do it next time. Just wanted to see the base version

Isn’t there an aspect that literally melts stuff?

[final dune]

on rail all 4 are good

the best at low blood is eris

[abstract scaffold]

Skeleton bros are a laugh with the gun