#h1-for-new-players
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it's not THAT hard
but if you've not played roguelikes before, it isn't easy either
part of the appeal i suppose
pleases both camps
don't be upset at dieing
that's basically the genre of this game lol
die a lot and learn from your mistakes
all that matters is you made it a bit further or learnt a little more
also spoiler but not quite
how do i unlock hera on the bow?
you get all weapons
then you have the game like
YO THE WEAPONS BE GLOWING RED
and you spend titan blood on them
I'd suggest chiron over hera though
it isn't that hera is bad
chiron is just a lot better on low titanblood imho
Oh
kinda hate cast cuz of the fact that u have to pick it up again
the cast?
oh you get a second layer of mirror upgrades once you've spoken to people enough
the other half makes the case single but regen
it's better as a default imho
Infernal is better than stygian for hera
More consistent burst damage
true, i was more saying that their annoyance about picking up the casts can be fixed
yea but that is sort of just part of playing a castspect
stygian kinda sucks except for a few builds
or hermes odds 
howd my keepsake expire?
?
it says it is
during the floor transitions
i tried to select a keepsake i had used before
and it said it expired
oh
yeah
you cant use keepsakes youve used before
you can keep them on but once you switch off you cant switch back
huh ok
yeah it's that way so you can't cheat with one time effects and rotate back
lucky tooth being a good example of why it is the way it is
can we re-earn them by gifting nectar?
They are only locked for the rest of that run
Gifting nectar past the first one doesnt have gameplay changes on most characters
yeah you can look into thoose items that summon things if you want efficency
or you can be me
give the pupper nectar and Orpheus and Eurydice nectar because they got me feeling it
could i ask how can i get the favor for zues?
The favors are on the wiki if needed but basically you need to hear the gods comment about zeus
And having the convo where Zeus tells zag that he wants to reconnect with Hades
yeah it's a bit vague for zeus
i came from the wiki but i don't quite understand how to trigger it
but it really does boil down to just like
Rng basically
playing the game some more
Just keep playing yeah
do i just need zues boon? i guess i'll have to pick up every type of god's boon?
Always experiment in rogue likes!
do i need to get commends from chtonic gods too?
whenn farming for darkness with weapon with darkness thrist, does it matter what heat i farm them in? does it increase the darkeness i can get?
No
Spoiler ||heat||
||you should always darkness farm on heat you have already done||
is there a reason why?
||what if i do a no heat run? will i get lesser darkness? say if i have cleared heat 1||
spoiler
sorry
you get the same amount of darkness for each ||heat level||
||yes. Repeating the same heat rewards increasing Darkness (and Gems with a Contractor upgrade) on each boss.|| Farming Darkness basically involves doing this and starting with Poseidon's keepsake for his resource boosting boon, then going for Chaos for more resource boosts.
You can get up to like 1000 darkness on the final boss
Potentially more but that is gonna be your average high end
1 epic Poseidon boon and 1 epic Chaos boon should net about 800+
epic chaos 
You get 250 base darkness from the final boss
Poseidon adds like +125% Chaos can add another +125% on a good epic
Yeah ik
Still those runs are gonna be important
May as well be your ideal
What combos are best for aspect of nemesis
well
there are two big popular things to do with it other than shackle
which are
-start splash dash and take whatever % you find on attack
-start aphrodite or artemis and take the other into asphodel looking for heart rend
if you take artemis first you can also pick up athena for deadly reversal
why does shackle work for nem
it does the damage
100% damage kinda good
the idea is like, start tidal then switch to shackle if you dont get an attack i think
or start shackle and rng into tidal? idk lmao
but it is a legit strat, but mainly for speedrunning
wouldn't recommend it to anyone playing casually or trying to get their first few clears
well yeah but like
oh but yeah
newer players would rather have a defensive keepsake
although tbh
shackle means you're not making awful core decisions in at least 2 of your slots
it also means no acorn lmao
i would simply not get hit!
newer players moment
my urge to call it a krill issue
Real.
As a newish player who only just completed their first run, what aspects should I shoot for first with titan blood? I've been too hesitant to buy any of them
check pins
If only I wasn't half asleep on my way to bed, I would've remembered that pins existed. Thanks!
Excluding some good Zagreus aspects
Sword: Nemesis
Spear: Achilles
Shield: Zeus
Bow: Hera
Fists: Demeter
Rail: Either
Zag bow and shield are good
When fully upgraded
for rail, eris is better atm solely because you need less investment in it to be good
Others basically arent, though spear can be and rail works for one build
Fair yeah
I was thinking Eris first but I didnt want to upset jazz
zag rail also kinda noteworthy because it makes ammo management easier, but also delta chamber exists lmao
upsetting jazz should be an objective
You can run it immediately and its really good
oh crap jazz is here
hera is good assuming you play crush or phalanx shot lmao
i guess technically trippy too i guess
you'd be surprised lmao
subreddit loves true shot for some reason
I imagine that's just bad building overall though
Ah
True shot needs to be rapid to be good though
On hera it just doesnt work
true shot needs to crit to be good, but then at that point it'd just be crush shot damage lmfao
true shot into fully loaded into crush shot replacement based tho
the only valid true shot hera build
True shot still is better than like beams probably
Can it work with ||beams||? Seems really weird
yeah, mainly because it's burst damage compared to damage over time
Like there are worse casts
Poor new players
If it were unlocked from the start the game would simply be too easy
Hi, I have the feeling that I have won my first run too early, and because of that I'd miss on some story content.
Is my feeling true? (I won on my 8th run.)
The way the dialogue system works you wont miss those important dialogues
Basically npcs have a list of dialogues they can choose from and they will get prioritized depnding on recent events
So for example for now that you got your first win then yeah most characters will talk about that
But if you dont "advance" the plot eventually they will mention anything that they didnt say before
For example on a random save file I did, my escapes at the start were really quick that I got ||Achilles talking about my first escape well after the credits||
Alright, thanks!
what do i do with the titans blood i get from beating mageara? i dont know what the table in pinned comments mean
It'll become apparent once you unlock all weapons afaik
Then that table will make sense
ah ok, i have 4/5 so far
Nice, you got this!
or judging by the empty space 4/6
yes hehe
Is Lambent Plume, Lucky Tooth, Evergreen Acorn, or Old Spiked Collar better
plume should just never be used
acorn is the best defensive keepsake
I put on old spiked collar when I get to the end of a run where I'm like "ok I actually really don't wanna die on this one"
acorn can mitigate more damage in boss fights
with all 3 dds, collar will give 125 extra hp
in heroes, acorn can deny a lot more than that given it doesn't get wasted on small hits
in the final fight, ||each swing deals like 40 damage. the minimum damage you can get hit by is 20, and technically speaking yeah if you get hit by the 20 damage cast/skull wave each time, collar can deny more damage. thing is, that's a lot less likely and you're more likely to get hit by multiple swings||
||also you can potentially take 80 damage lmao||
i usualy take skull over acorn.. its just easier usualy and the extra dd gives me peace of mind..
but maybe when im using a ranged weaponlike bow i go for acorn.. when i an actually avoid getting hit
i stopped using the collar when i realized u lose the extra hp after u take it off lol
I mean if you avoid getting hit e8ther tooth or acorn dont do anything
If you don't get hit, centaur hearts are worthless
I get hit a lot
Is it hard to do ||achilles secret aspect spear mission?||
Spoiler for other new players that havent done at least 30 attempts, or actually pretty much anyone
it’s just special spam
dont use your attack
wells
well
dash strike
dont standing strike combo
athena was not a good choice then for special was she?
find a high % on special, particularly poseidon or aphrodite
athena is fine
the deflect is nice
and the % is good enough
just play far away from enemies
and see if you can find charged skewer hammer
Okay! Thank you!!
Dont use collar until the final area.
Collar can also increases your death defiance heals
You could also use it for other bosses you struggle on
Like Elysium, then just keep it on into Styx
Is it worth reloading after every shot for Hestia aspect?
yes
hestia isnt good until at least level 3
take aphrodite attack
once you do there’ll be no reason to shoot normally other than maybe for numbskulls
Yes. With Aphrodite it pretty much one-shots most stuff in the first level and can carry you a long way.
This of course depends of which blessing you have and that stuff, but you can definitely spend the run doing that every time
Yeah thats how its played. Use fiery presence if you dont already
Chaos is good for more of that and attack dmg
Just reload and shoot. Dash strike too mostly I think idk it's hard to do that on controller
Just keep getting more damage boosts as you go. Just put it all on one thing, but pick up a special boon in case you get a good special hammer
A % special boon. More Aphrodite works.
Which god keepsake should I start each run with? Is their like a particular order like Athena for dash, Dionysus for the fountain full heals, etc...?
pick one that works with your build
poseidon for the dash is good in general
zeus for attack is good on fast hitting weapons like rail
aphrodite for attack is good for high base dmg like bow
The first god you force should be something to provide you with damage so you spend less time in rooms and bosses. The second god can be some utility defensive option.
It depends of what you want for your build.
With the exception of the Chaos and Hermes keepsake, all God Keepsakes Lock that God for your run moving forward and guarantees it will show at some point.
You usually want to aim either for something to start in attack/special/dash, or you are building towards some other boon from that specific God.
In general, don't get too broken over what that God gives you because what you want is to lock that God for that specific run
can't go wrong with athena dash tho
especially while ur not sure what build ur goin for
just pick athena keepsake and hope for her dash
It's good early but it offers no dmg which is important.
I would instead maybe suggest tidal dash unless you are specifically struggling with witches and even the Witches Circle miniboss
But you need to learn to do that content without Athena
Athena should just make it a breeze
idk athena dash is fine you can stick with it for a long time
lends itself very well to post game
So if you are going for like Merciful End or whatever or just naturally pick up Divine Dash, that content/those enemies become a non-issue
Oh for sure
It's just a tough 1st boon to take imo
I'd rather take another core
Yeah thats what I mean
I'd go with like divine strike sure
But its not contributing much in Tartarus
It does contribute a lot from Asphodel on
Though damage from it takes a little skill
Just deflecting projectiles at the right time. Doesnt do a ton but it's free.
Just dont let it be a crutch basically. It's more important to get your attack or special, depending on the aspect
Athena cant always be there
Is this one of those games like let's say enter the gungeon in which you can win every time?
In theory you can win on the first run yes
Cos I'm at my 20th run and last 3 were too good not to take notice of
Granted, I did follow a ton of guides to see what boons ti pickup and how to build a set
Took me 15.
I couldn't clear first boss easily with sword. Even now I've gotta tank thro it using dd
And snake was difficult with bow
Now I'm little more experienced and might make it but my dmg still falls flat at one point
The first run is the “hardest” because you go with no upgrades and a limited number of gods available, but the game allows you go do the full run if you are skilled enough
I just bought fists
From what I gather its beat weapon
But it's close range only
I struggle with those
Last run was my first with shield but cos of hammer it was essentially better bow
Took me a while to learn what attacks I can tank thro tho. Took unnecessary dmg
damage comes with learning build
How much dmg is decent at the end
Cos I was doing like 600 or so it seemed
But then I realised its cos of 3rd floor buff for 10 rounds
That ego less warrior
On hades fight I think it was little over 200
BTW. When can I use titans blood?
And what should I use it on?
Probably Bow right?
I saw its a prerequisite for unlocking other op variants
You need to unlock all weapons first
How many rerol tokens should I have before I start using that perk for more 70:30 in favour of golden doors
I'm currently collecting keys so hopefully I'll have enough soon
Dark foresight is probably more important that fated persuasion tbh
Srsly?
Honestly yeah
When I made a new file my biggest complaint was no dark foresight
Rerolls are whatever
They're nice but like
Ah no, I understand
DF means more boons and earlier hammers lmao
But I'm not playing rn to win
Tho midway through it always gets fun and I try to win
I'm doing it for resource s
Can save for maybe 1 reroll but other than that
Ye. I realises its strong
DF allows for better runs more consistently
That's why I'm asking. How many rerolls should I have before I stop playing without DF
Currently I need keys for 30 key mirror unlock and another weapon anyways
Why would you turn it off
It's not even maxed. It's only 10% in favour of golden
You use 1 per run?
For context, a duo/legendary chances are about 12% per boon given you have the prereqs
And you can generally get 1 duo boon per run easily
And what's the thought process behind it
Well at max level you get 4
Can't use more?
But if you want you can get 1 reroll and dump the rest into DF
You can if you get fated keys on the contractor
I already have couple rerolls but as I don't know how to build properly yet it seems a waste
Most builds hinge around a single duo so you can go through the duo list and see what makes sense
Granted none of them are make or break
But like it's generally good to go for a duo
Yea. I'm starting to get the grasp of it
But it's all too slow ig
I can overthink it and get there eventually
But as I play slow anyways it's just a lot of rng worry in the end ig
Yeh gotcha
dont use curse of longing though
everyone on their own thinks it's good
it's not
don't bother with it
Lmao yeah that's probably the exception
Maybe a few more actually
But that's the standout
other htan stuff like the fuunny one which isnt an actual build duo
maybe the arty dio duo?
that stinks
Spoiler
o right
parting shot moment
That's utility because you wanna sell it

Stubborn roots seems to be the best imo
I think I had my first win with it
I lost two DDs and when I won, I was basically full hp lol
||Demeter|| stuff is a spoiler btw
One run I worked really hard for athena cast duo which ricochets but it sucked
Also the duo is okay for beginners
But once you get better it becomes basically useless
Maybe i just didn't use it well
Wdym
Lightning phalanx is pretty good on a cast based weapon
That's after final boss
You see them after you see the final boss the first time
So a spoiler technically
Ah okay gotcha
Sry
So far
I enjoyed special only spear and bow
But one run I had with shield was also really good cos I got that 80dmg projectile hammer
But I think I would end up doing more to hades if I was just dash attack, attack cycling
Charged shot moment
Final boss is a spoiler lmao
Also none of the calls seem good
All calls give iframes on activation and that already makes them decent
Just like dash tho
Always good to have more iframes
Too much thinking
I have bad reaction times
Also Zeus/Dio calls can do the most dmg from the calls
Zeus gets insane with more zeus and on dio just pom it
Also dont wait for full charge in most calls
Zeus got me killed more than once
Is not worth
I usually take hunter/beauty gods call cos it does significant dmg when full so I just use it a bit on boss
I should probably get more comfortable up close cos that's where zeus (and half the games content) shines
Can also just have something like athena/poseidon as a panic button
I thought poseidons was great and fun when I first got it but now I hear only Athens is good cos u can do a lot more dmg that way
Full call isn't practical or used in smaller normal rooms lol
Athena can be used for both
Zeus or Dio will help a lot more in normal rooms
On slower weapons saving athe call for free dmg is good
But mostly is just a get out of jail free card
For me
Also most calls get even more ridiculous with smoldering air duo
Nah poseidon is still a solid pick.
How does call charge work
I thought its time based but then I got that duo
I thought its dmg taken/recieved but then i sae boom for that
So now idk
Dmg done/how often you do dmg/dmg received
That Poseidon boon you mentioned boosts how much call you receive by being hit for example
Ah gotcha
How often you hit generates calls faster
What are gold keepsakes btw
I saw pics of puppets but idk what or how i get em
Thats why i never have it. I hit once a year playing with bow or charged spear
Basically it shortens to this lol
Dmg done helps but it "caps" really fast how much it helps
It's like hitting > damage taken > damage dealt
I enjoy chaos one but last couple runs i just ended up removing it before i found any doors
Too bad its not like the rest, guranteed
Cos my early runs often had two chaos gates and i really enjoyed it that way
Getting hit is based on how much % of your hp is lost no?
Wdym with this btw?
The keepsakes at the bottom or something else
Advance your relationship with certain characters
Unliek the rest which are dark question marks
What does it do, is it something I should speedrun
If you wanna know who
||Meg, Than, Dusa, Achilles, Sisyphus, skelly||
Maybe not Speedrun but some can be really helpful on runs
||mainly Meg, as it summons her and does 2500 dmg in a line, or at least is the best one speedrun wise, you can get an use from everyone's summons||
||I know you can get with Meg/ than/ dusa but dusa is no exclusive so one should max her first? What does her summon do and how does summon work||
||honestly just work on whoever you want first and see what you get
Summons works by them having a certain ount of charges per run, if the keepsake is upgraded the most is 5 but you can get more on charon wells, Dusa's works by summoning her and she shoots petrifying projectiles to enemies for 30 seconds||
It doesn't affect bosses
Right
Still in syx it can help with minibosses
it does
||my favorite summon is Sisyphus/Bouldy. 1000 damage in a small area and you get darkness obols and food||
||on demand healing and helps you get obols for when you need them early on||
||you can just use it like 3 times in a row so you can buy a boon and a pom from the mid shop. That's really powerful for building.||
Or just buy a hammer you missed earlier. Lots of uses. Sorry for the black bars lol.
Same, us Gilga users have to stick together.
Do ya use Dark Gen??
Yeah often
I like the heal after bosses sometimes with ||Maim||
You take more boss dmg
Hell yeah.
did me fully befriending charon even do anything or was it just like, for fun
oh
neat
no lowered charon prices…no neat buff…turning all my ambrosia into titan blood from now on 
Wow so you dont appreciate zag's friends enough 
yes
Fair
im here to kill not to play a dating sim 😼
You still may want to keep gifting to some characters tho
ive only given more than 1 nectar to three characters
Last convo here was exactly about this lol
charon, sisyphus, and medusa
The homie squad.
I unlocked aspect menu just now
What should I get first?
What weapon has best and most diverse hammers?
Hades is a dating sim. Deal with it.
I'm going to recommend it to my sister again because she likes romance fantasy novels
You got guan yu? Idk ||Beowulf|| is the best hidden aspect overall
Shield
Bow ||Rama|| is also very good but hard to play
Well it's hard to learn and stuff
average#h1-for-new-players spoiler
Also I tried pierced butterfly but it seems terrible
None. all of them have multiple possible hammer upgrades with different bonuses. all of them depend of what you find the best.
Max you can get is 70% bonus dmg which would be fine if it wasn't impossible and slow
But it means you'll have much harder time getting necessary duos and so on
Can't believe it was ranked so high on tier lists
I mean some of hammers I saw seemed terrible, but what do I know.
which is a funny way to say rail
Srsly? Rail has best ones?
yea
i mean first off there's clockets
which is clockets
there's hazard
ricochet and piercing on hestia
delta chamber on eris
targeting
I mean yeah, rockets are rockets. but some will tell you that getting the sword to heal you is worth it.
Crap it's new player
I didnt expect someone to ask that here lol
Yeah the sword heal is counter productive
I don't mind spoilers
Best sword hammer is double edge
Ik but this is spoiler free chat
That's its main purpose. No post-reaching surface content
Past the gates that Cerberus guards
Many hidden aspect hammers are bad, the best ones are like sword, fists, rail,
Fists are considered the worst of the bunch but it actually has the best hammer imo. It acts like Targeting System on Rail.
So very simple.
By hiden aspect you mean the last of each weapon?
what's the verdict?
i mean which is better
Yeah last aspect. 4th.
ricochet
Shield seemed like it had nice hammers idk
Imma just work on spear for now cos I need yuan for the rest
I never use spin attack so idk if I wanna try to learn achillies now or just do what I did before with zag
Which is special only run lol
I'm kinda tired of explosive spear tbh
And unless I did everything else right, dmg when fighting hades seems underwhelming
you dont need spin attack
on achilles look for flurry jab
special x2 -> dash strike x2
tap the specials quickly to get buff up fast
A lot of build guides stress the importance of dash strike
But idk how to do it well
I always end up taking damage
For example shield says
Dash strike into charge by holding then repeat
Bruv I should have I frames nonstop but no
dash striking takes dash iframes
That's why I so far liked Bow and spear spam from afar
dash iframes are only empty dash
Maybe I should do bow chiron first. Then achilies. Seems easier to build around too
I never pay attention to dash strikes.
I'll do that one later. Need it for yuan anyways
Like you will be doing them without thinking, so dont worry wether or not you are doign them well.
idk thats kinda wrong for good play
esp on sword and spear
whose combos both suck
Delta smh
In my experience, dash strikes come naturally as you try to dash around and attack.
check #h1-story-discussion
but on some weapons you don't want to be standing striking
Ergo why Dash Striking will present itself. Or you die because you were standing.
like sword, shield, bow,
I am actually pretty bad at trying to do the Bow Dash Strike.
doing a standing strike on those is detrimental
space -> click
I'm trying this out on a dummy and seems odd
Why do I do two dashtrikes again?
Yes, if I try to do space -> click, that's when it feels awkward and I dont think I acomplish it. when I dont worry about wether I am doing dash strike or not and just move around, the Dash Strike comes along on itself.
?
Damn... Y'all speedrunners are cracked.
Is it two dash strikes to make a 4 dmg cycle
it is if you have flurry
without it's just 2 damage but you still want to because after 2 dash you have dlay
What delay
you know how oyu have 2 dashes
Also what conditions are easiesr
hold on i have stuff
Now I'm reading some online about it and people use it to play cast only
What u showed seems much more fun and fluid
this entire run ive been getting almsot exclusively ares and ||demeter||
is this coincidental or?
does the code prioritize the first gods you choose or smth
this isnt the first time ive noticed this either but i just might be going goofy
good lord after i sent this message i got another ares boon and 2 ||demeter|| boons
the fates hate me
oh wait i should spoiler that
what's your god pool rn
aphrodite (2) ||demeter|| (5) ares (6) zeus (1)
If I only have 2 gods in my god pool and I don't choose any other gods, is it likely that id get more boons from the 2 chosen gods instead of other gods or does it remain the same anyways
significantly less likely than with a full pool
Because I will get options for more gods than just 4?
The game will keep offering you Gods even up until the last stage.
If you ignore them the only result will be less overall boons
You dont always want more boons.
I wanted a way to guarantee getting the legendary boons for prophecy
Thought this would work but alas
Fair. Best bet for that is probably Chaos Favor boons.
Then just hope that God appears enough
It does. So I've read
You can only have 4 gods a run
The game stops giving you new ones after 4 (excluding Hermes), you can have as many as you want tho if you force them.
Gotit
Or like, if you dont lock in 4 gods before Styx, 2 new gods might appear in Styx
Why would you want that
So far, ive used styx almost as an last attempt at getting the duo which has skillfully rng avoided me till then
Well they didn't say it was a good or bad thing lmao, it's just something that can happen
It's just that if you enter Styx with a 3 god pool, multiple different new gods can show up and bring the god pool over 4
I’ve already beat Hades once but I never actually got the true ending I was sent back to the underworld and everyone forgot my acts
How do I achieve the true ending?
do you really think they forgot
So wait did the fates just reset everything?
How do I get the true ending?
just play and clear more
if you mean epilogue there’s a guide on the wiki
I wonder if his mother is actually Persephone
There’s a true ending?
there's not like distinct things that you can miss
there's just a few different story things that happen the longer you play
Oh you mean dialogue and stuff from hades the more you win?
Such as?
do you want spoilers?
theres one after a certain amount of clears and one when you complete a quest
Is the quest Orpheus?
?
i havent done the story in months
Oh
||you have to invite the Olympians over for dinner||
hi I cant beat end boss can someone give me some tips? I like to play with fists
Do you have Hermes’ keepsake?
the feather one right?
if u are talking about that one, yes i have it @opaque scroll
I didnt realise rerolls reset every run 😦
I was running suboptimal setup thinking ill grind em out first
Now i realise game is built better than i imagined
Put that on with Zagreus fists and keep it on the entire run, focus on improving dodge rate and speed as much as you can. You’ll be nigh invincible
im trying right now and its incredible, idk why i haven't tried that before. Thx so much 😄
The other day i tried out butterfly for the first time and didn't like it as I realised it prevents you from building for duos effectively. I don't like leaving things up to rng
But now I've equipped it with rail thinking of hiding behind walls and just mortaring everyone as I don't know how to build for it anyways
First hammer was the missle variant, hunter on special, god of war for extra dmg after kill
Probably my fastest run so far
Also, I didn't even take dmg on boss
I just play much more carefully with it
So I'll give it more chances soon
Can i only get boss rewards once per weapon?
Cause the spear has a Check on boss drops now
oh...
well is there a way to get more Titan Blood and the other stuff without using another weapon?
once you finish a run there is
only after i completely finish a run?
Np.
Crazy.
Know whats crazy?
The fact that i have 6 dashes, athena while at it, more dmg when deflecting and her legendary shield every 20 seconds
Oh and hermes epic strenghten
I just hit with rail crit super for 700, spam dash repeat
If my butterfly was maxed idk what % i would have by the end of it
I took dmg once once this whole run. It was cos i stood too close to hydras spammy homing attack
I just remembered i took 2 chaos gates too. So technically I took dmg thrice lol
Must be a real gamer
Did you not read?
I bathe in i frames and only stop to push a nuke button
It's not hard at all...
Ill give fists another try with hermes keepsake
Got studry while attacking hammer
Tips?
what's your build rn
Just started
look for zeus/dio attack
I'm offered artemis. I'll get her on special
much better
Should I try rerolling
Way I've been playing hades till now is kinda one dimensional tbh
I just spam one attack whole run
It's even worse cos I usually play ranged weapons
you must love shield
And my clear times are horrible
Idk how I would clear an area sub 9min
I've actually only played with it once lol
It was really fun but game glitched and DD didn't activate so I died on hades fight
oof
it doesnt do that
It was skelly tooth actually
if it did that everyone would already have complained about it
unless you are on a weird copy for some reason
I don't think I miss counted tho it's possible
you miscounted
Failed at hades. No idea how to use them fists
I'll try sword and shield for next couple runs to practice close combat
But this was pathetic.
aspect of zagreus fists?
if you have flat damage on the attack, you should be fine
Zeus or Dionysus on attack are my go-to for the fists.
does malphons dash special strike count as a dash strike?
yes
fists are the only weapon with a dash special, and it'll get buffed by dash-strike bonuses like hunters' dash
Dashing flight moment
does that actually count
Fated Authority has been hands down the least helpful upgrade. Is it not able to roll gems or darkness rooms into boons? Never seen it in my runs
Cant reroll blue laurel into gold laurel (the laurels at the side of each door indicates what rewards can be given)
Blue laurel is any meta resource to get atronger back at the house
Golden being the ones that impact your run
Dark foresight (opposite akill of Olympian favor) boosts the chance of aeeing gold laurel rooms
Noted 
btw you can see your available death defiances/skelly's tooth in the bottom left
man i really did like, no sidequests before beating the game
i sold most of my nectar instead☠️
Time to do Dionysus runs!
is it possible to get more than two hammers?
i know the code lowers the chances for a hammer HEAVILY when you get one but
is it a 0% chance or just a really low one?
With Dark Foresight, yes.
only with the anvil in styx
dark foresight doesn't matter lmao
the game's hard coded so that you can only get 2 hammers naturally
Oh? damn lol.
and you'll "get" a third with the anvil in styx
"get" meaning replace 1 hammer with 2 random ones lmao
I thought that the 2 hammers was before Dark FOresight.
Ig I got the third with Fauth.
it's more like, you'll actually see 2 hammers with DF lmao
not possible
U sure? I might be rembering wrong.
no one's ever mentioned getting a third hammer like that before
also it's most likely hard coded in the game so you can only get 2 hammers
same with hermes
apart from styx shenanigans
Damn.
confused dashing flights desc
like, i dash and then immediately use special and it does more damage?
don’t bother it sucks but it’s on the wiki page
i think it’s a thing sometimes on zeus or something but i do not really care because the only aspect of the shield which exists is the fourth one
is Hades the final boss?

I'm just asking
I'm still at the 2nd one
But I'm assuming that he is the last one ?
Alright
I like spoilers but hades is an exception.
I try to avoide them like the plague.
Honestly, just play the game, everything will become clear
^true
Most likely but player experience of even knowledgeable people can be wrong. I was using this guide for a Hyrule Warriors game and it said something can't ever drop, that did drop for me.
Incredibly rare occurances
Still more likely that 2 is hard coded but eh I'll believe anything until I see the code myself.
Unless someone else can really show me what and how something works concretely.
Like I'm fairly certain I've gotten a duo from a 2 god room.
Can I confirm that? No, I dont really remember and havent seen one since.
No screenshots
General rules still apply though. Game devs might just want ultra rare occurances to be a factor.
How do i unlock the "Secret Stash" in the Keepsakes?
I've almost got all of the Keepsakes but not a single Secret Stash
You get those for maximizing your relationship with select characters
any tips for my first time fighting the end boss
dash has i-frames while dash strikes takes them away
spoiler
3 boons as in selecting a boon or people having multiple boons?
modded
is from the speedrun modpack, where the first boon will offer the 4 core boons (attack, special, cast, dash)
Ok
Was watching this video: was confuse
https://youtu.be/ vab4WND7o0Y
Then looking for 5mn on the wiki
I'm looking for the truly evil, New save file, hell mode, max difficulty run
you mean if there are any runs like that?
and yeah that works
Yes
with fated persuasion can you roll a regular boon into a duo boon?
yeah
its 3 new choices
and it blocks one of the already seen boons so they arent the exact same (weird cases may apply and be the exact same, sometimes)
for some reason I almost always get 2 exact same boons and just one is different
The game prioritizes main-slot boons until they're filled, maybe that's why
and status curses
Hello all gods in Hades game!
I can't beat THESEUS and ASTERIUS....I need your help.
Those are pretty though the first few times you encouter
them.
Using ranged weapons could help you with avoiding attacks.
Learning their attacks is key, dodging a lot, you have time, no
need to rush.
I usually focus on one at a time, Asterius, personally, is easier
to deal with first
I also only use sword at the moment so for me learning the attacks
and dodging was pretty much all I had.
Up close and personal is just fun for me 
thank you for your advice 😄
I try to observe them and learn how i avoid attacks.
I usually use shield to block the attacks. But I'm always defeated by Theseus' God power.
I'm sure you'll get the hang of it.
It also took me a few tries to deal with them
How many escape attempts you had so far?
When God power starts, just spam dash. Not dash attack, just dash. If you do that, you're fast and invulnerable 90% of the time
Or if you get Athena's aid, charge it on asterius and use the greater call right when he starts his call, so you can freely wail on him while he's not blocking and you're invincible
theseus is also completely vulnerable when he first summons it right after the invulnerability bubble goes off, so you could attack him while his god call is going off
kinda not safe but can be worth the dps
Yeah
I attack usually and just dodge
Too good of an opportunity to end the fight fast
I'm more likely to get hit by a lunge or throw or spin if I dont do dmg now
And the call only does serious dmg if you stand still and get hit by a bunch
I also use dark regeneration for a reason tbh
Best bet is a like Rail probably
Range but fast enough that you can maneuver
A harder to play but other good aspect would be Zeus shield
You can sort of just leave your Blitz Disc on Theseus for the duration of the Call
Shield also allows for blocks of Asterius and Theseus' attacks
AND if you get charged shot, you can ignore shields
Zeus is hard to play but very good for challenging content
zeus isn't too hard to play if you dont care about like dps cycle optimization
True
if you want to play it well then it gets a lot more challenging
Still that and its versatility and block are why it excels so well
Any shield will do solid anyway. Charged Shot will carry you.
It's both very high base damage regardless of charge, and ignores shields and provides range.
Very useful if you need a carry through Elysium
Just remember it is a very low dps weapon without Charged Shot
almost 100 times I did! There is no escape yet...
depends
so uh
i guess not
but like
sorta zeus
Zeus because it's halfway there to opening smoldering air tbh
Even without supporting boons it's pretty strong too
And your next Zeus boon has I think a 50% chance of getting static discharge so sure why not
if you're doing ME, just ignore the call
having a call gives you worse hermes odds
and ME scales great with good hermes
more dashes or hyper sprint + rush delivery is a massive boost
avoid calls until you get your second hermes really
or avoid calls until you get your third hermes in styx lmao
50/50 for it to show in styx, 1/whatever to get whatever you need
actually 3/whatever
It's also a boosted rarity Hermes. I got an epic RD last run.
Top 5 calls are like
- Zeus
- Aphrodite
- Dionysus
- Athena
- Artemis
1 and 2 because they open smouldering air
aph is only good with big call
Small call disrupts ||dad||
i'd put aphro 4th tbh
zeus, dio, athena, and aphro should be the order
athena is better than aphro because if you're gonna use aphro call defensively, athena call is just better for that
zeus and dio are my 2 favorite calls 3rd fave is probably poseidan and after that idk.. athena can be ok
^
Which is down right life saving in ||em4||
when i was new it took me forever to get used to actually using my call.. or even my cast
i was such a slow learner in hades
i was really bad for such a long time and i never paid any attention to anything
i didnt realize purging well was selling boons.. I thought i was buying upgrades
i thought theseus was a girl with a bow for the first like 15 times i fought him
lol
... im not smart
killed the hydra today
Nice work. It gets easier once you get down some cues and how to move from head to head.
and then gets harder once you get picked up for full time job as professional lava stander
||I actually find Lernie's new level easier. It kills the mobs he spawns, and concentrates the heads.||
spoiler
Done!
ngl the lava caught me off guard
just wait till maybe 20 or so more play hours pass
I'll take your word
lernie is the boss i lose the most dds at lol
why is it called lernie
because zag is totally unserious
yeah it's weird
honestly lernie is kinda easy for me with the spear
The Lernean Hydra or something
cause the spear has good range
Real easy on Achilles
also I had a lot of damage boosting boons
lernaean
but yea
zag is too unserious to ever call something by its long ass name
flurry achilles is basically an instant sub30 lernie button even if you’re literally boonless
hydra fight gets super easy once u figure out the patterns
why would i spend time thinking when i could just deal damage
Because you'll get head slammed for 100 damage
Not Lernie but I do have a recent 100! screenshot
Didnt even matter lmao
it does 4 damage to me
its not even in lernea anymore
should be called the hadean hydra fr
radical. just as a little tip if you havent noticed
the hydras do different attacks based on the color of their crown
@fleet willow
If you continue playing the game and paying attention for the story, you'll understand what those are for
You can also use your codex to read about gods, enemies, weapons, items, etc.
What does the diamond do?
unlock music and some story bits
And what does titan blood do
upgrade weapons
Can i keep using the Adamant Arrowhead ||Artemis' Keepsake|| at the s tart of the run to try and get the Waking Phrase for the || Aspect ||?
Or will she not say it in the first room
You can, just make sure you're resetting properly by dying and not using the give up option in the menu because it keeps the same seed so you'll get the same line over and over.
yea i died 10 times and still nothing
ok do i have to do the rest of the things to get the phrase?
What things
Yes it just wont give you a guaranteed boon after the 1st use
only first boon can give you new dialogue for the aspect
Oh true. I didnt get that they meant inbetween runs.
Question about Boons I can receive. I read I can only meet 4 gods during each run (I assume this excludes hermes) So far I've met Athena, Ares, and Dionysus. Demeter popped up as a route. If I skip Dementr will another god appear or is that my 4th? no matter what I choose?
Any random god can be the 4th
They're only added to your god pool if you pick them up
oh sweet
And yeah it excludes Hermes
Good cause right now she doesn't seem to fit in the build I'm going for. Thanks!
If you sell a gods boon they stay in your pool tho
Yeah I did notice that one already, which is kind of a bummer. Would be nice if you were forced early and didn't want them.
You can get more than 4 gods + Hermes in some scenarios but yeah, usually 4+hermes
like with keepsakes
Bought the game 2 days ago and I’m hooked. Finally got to the last story boss (I presume it was the last) but died. I’ve read that it’s best to focus boons/abilities so you’re a strong with 1/2 attacks instead of putting minor upgrades in everything. However I realised I hadn’t used a single upgrade for my cast. Is this a viable thing? Or should I always look to upgrade it once so it’s not the basic red dart?
If you arent focusing entirely on the cast dont think much about it
Base cast is enough if you only need the +50% atk/special buff from the mirror
Can also use it to fill the requisites for duo boons
Or sometimes just grabbing a cast like zeus/athena/pos for aoe or defense is aight
But there are builds focused on your cast being the main dmg
Need a bit more knowledge on what sinergizes to make them work tho
Thanks for the reply. 👍🏻
zeus cast specifically is really good on every weapon no matter what
||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1106006225101017158/electric_shot_is_funny.mp4|| here is electric shot ruining a bunch of fellas
might take a bit to embed idk
||https://youtu.be/spAYBbvxrL0|| here it actually is
do the twenty pets that you have to give cerberus to unlock their heart have to be one per entering the house
or can you do all twenty pets at once
I know the lyre can be strummed continuously. (I once sat there with a book, pushing the button over and over again, lol.) You could always try it 20 times and see what happens, or just pet him each run.
all at once is fine
would do that too
cerberus deserves the world
yoooo i unlocked thans heart
unsure what i did exactly but
radical
thans at the house but i have no ambrosia….
how do you unlock hearts? do I keep giving them ambrosia or talk to them a lot
Some of them have different pacing of dialogue to allow you to give them nectar again, also certain ones are locked behind quest progression(such as a certain court musician). Also in case it was unclear the hearts track how many times you’ve given them stuff, and as I said certain ones will be locked behind completing more dialogue or completing a quest.
so a combination of both depending on who?
Yeah, for instance some of them will require x amount of nectar then will require an ambrosia(if other requirements have been filled) then might have one more ambrosia after that(most of them are 2-3 ambrosia if I remember correctly)
It should usually be like 6 nectar and 1 ambrosai
good to know. thank you both
some people are diff
It will be expensive, but you can buy it from the merchant in the bottom corner.
ambrosia is pretty annoying to get yeah lol i recommend always looking on the lounge merchant for the deals, maybe you can find one that is worth it
now i gotta wait 30 runs for him to appear again
How do i use fishing rod
listen for a "ding!" sound at the end of combat or when entering a room and look a for a bright spot in the water
press interact and wait for the fish to bite (will have a white flash) and press interact again
if you do it too late it will get away and the faster you react the better the fish
Thx bro
there is also this
Nyaanyaa's Fishing Guide
There can only be three fake bobs, so the fourth bob is always real if the first three were fake. Fake bobs have an interval of 2-5 seconds while the real bob has an interval of 1-2 seconds. So if it takes more than 2 seconds, it should be a fake bob. Meaning you should look for the real bob within a short time after you start fishing or within a short time after a previous bob.
Personally, I just look for the white flash above the bobber and ignore the bobber itself. Some players have said they have better success when putting their thumb on the bobber to not get distracted by that, so maybe you could give that a try.
A Perfect Catch means catching a fish within 340ms. Perfect Catches are 50/50 on being a legendary or rare fish. Any other catch is 50/50 on being a rare or common fish.
Sound for fake vs real is also different
Closing your eyes to fish isn't a bad strategy
Just finished my first run and bought it but couldn’t find where to use
yeah fishing isn't guaranteed to appear
but if you just bought poseidon should appear soon to offer his legendary boon
and check charon wells for skeleton lure
it forces a fishing spot to appear in the next possible chamber
this is super helpful tysm!! the one aspect of the game that I find so impossible is fishing I seriously suck lmao
does anybody have a strategy to beat theseus and the minotaur
Hug those poles like a stripper.
Pay attention to the marker on you getting brighter when Theseus is about to throw the spear
Dash through Asterius attacks instead of dashing away gives you more room to attack
To atop Asterius charge you need to make him crasg with a wall/pillar/Theseus
Wait next to one and when ge is about to hit you dash through him
If you dash to the sides/through a pillar he will have more time to react and dodge it
Also deal with asterius before Theseus reaches half hp
should i fight asterius in one of the rooms before and weaken him
I mean is a 50/50 between him or butterfly ball
Doesnt hurt to try
Butterfly is quite a heavy dps chec
Or at least managing the inf spawning eyes and prreventing them of re animating
Any bonus dmg against armor that you can get is worth
My friend is telling me that he spend 6 Titan Blood on the Sword and met the rest of requirements but he still can't get the Waking Phrase from Nyx (he even run out of dialogue apperently)
Help please,m?
Does he have hidden spear
yea
rng
Cause in the wiki it says it's not necessary
Yeah rng lmao
Rng time
He ran out of dialogue tho?
Get rnged
Is that really possible?
Probably
Either that or he did get the dialogue and needs to examine the sword again
make sure it’s actually 5 blood
Common enough to where lots of people ask the same thing
someone came in thinking they had done 5 when they’d done 4
He used 6
That was me....
Small world
I though the 2nd aspect required 2 to unlock
Isnt it 5 blood in a non-zagreus aspect
See if it's that. Double check the wiki.
So you need to invest 5 into aspect 2 or 3
Aka just level Nemesis.
What does leveling Poseidon even do
Just cast dmg?
Yeah

