There's also a lot of late game stuff as well
#h1-for-new-players
sweet brook
Finishing prophecies, storylines, etc
You can also speedrun or ||grind heat for bounties|| or jump straight to ||high heat||
chrome silo
hi. is it expected from me to use more than one weapon around the game or can i just main the bow for life and never use the others?
sweet brook
for early game, you can just use 1 and not use the others
but at some point you will have to
chrome silo
what point is that?
chrome silo
i have not cleared
sweet brook
yeah at this point, you can just keep using the bow if you want
chrome silo
||i know a lot of things change once the first clear happens, and im not there yet||
i will keep using it for now then. realized the othe day it kinda just felt natural from experience in ffxiv 
jolly star
any tierlist?
cinder knot
is it ok that ive been stuck?? im struggling to get past elysium 😭
i keep dying either on the hydra fight or in elysium
jolly star
make sure to upgrade mirror, such as death defiance, etc
what weapons are you using?
ive heard twin fists of malphon are good for beginners
the +900% dash strike dae hammer is useful for the other heads of hydra
gray haven
I wouldn't say "good", but Malphon is easy to play at least.
jolly star
speaking of which
jolly star
I wouldn't say "good", but Malphon is easy to play at least.
any recommendations of where i should spend titan blood?
jolly star
thank you 🙂
jolly star
The very pink one.
what about the last unlockable upgrade?
cinder knot
ive heard twin fists of malphon are good for beginners
i havent unlocked that yet bc i never seem to have enough keys lol
ive reset the mirror a couple times bc i didnt like it
jolly star
i havent unlocked that yet bc i never seem to have enough keys lol
thats alright keep playing the game and youll soon get better 🙂
cinder knot
ok thanks 😁
jolly star
hf
gray haven
what about the last unlockable upgrade?
hidden sword: A→S
hidden spear: F→A
hidden shield: S→SS
hidden bow: S→S
hidden fists: C→C
hidden rail: A→S
That's my addendum to the pinned guide, for hidden aspects.
agile sedge
the hidden spear is so annoying
gray haven
It's pretty good, but you either hate it or love it, pretty much.
sweet brook
any tierlist?
There aren't really any good tier lists for the game other than like aspects
But I haven't seen a good aspect tier list
Other than nyaanyaas
cinder knot
her boss fight is actually really easy with athenas dash boon lol
copper estuary
hidden sword: A→S
hidden spear: F→A
hidden shield: S→SS
hidden bow: S→S
hidden f...
||gilga 💀||
jolly star
c tier moment
jolly star
It's pretty good, but you either hate it or love it, pretty much.
hidden sword is better than hidden spear?
sterile solar
Hidden spear is an acquired taste
gray haven
hidden sword is better than hidden spear?
For general purposes, yeah. Hidden sword is one of the easiest to get a win with.
sharp night
yeah
eternal warren
||+50 hp vs -50 hp obviously there's other differences but lol||
gray haven
||+50 hp vs -50 hp obviously there's other differences but lol||
It's worse than that. ||+50 HP vs -50% HP.|| 
agile sedge
|| -70% at level one ||
leaden whale
is varatha good with aspect of achilles
gray haven
also how is aspect of guan yu?
Hidden aspects are spoilers in this channel. So please use spoiler tags or just call it hidden spear.
It's good, but requires high level. Punishes mistakes pretty hard, though.
People usually either love it or hate it.
gray haven
Nice! Go go go! 
agile apex
Can someone tell me how to exactly play this
final dune
Can someone tell me how to exactly play this
?
mighty quail
leaden whale
Hi everyone
Is there a way to use save file on ps4?
dusty vault
If you mean like your pc file into ps4? No
viscid notch
How to repeat boss fights
( practice)
I don't think you'll be able to on console unfortunately.
cinder knot
does cast dmg bonus from the mirror stack?
eternal warren
boiling blood? no
jade temple
I'm no longer able to gift hypnos any more nectar, anyone know if theres a reason why? I currently have 6 hearts on him and the 7th one is locked. My entry is complete on him
I also am not able to gift ambrosia
final dune
you have to complete favor
cinder knot
how do you meet thanatos?? ive gone to elysium a few times but have yet to see him at all
dusty vault
just keep advancing through ely
jade temple
you have to complete favor
Hypnos hasn’t asked me for a favor or to do anything
dusty vault
Hypnos hasn’t asked me for a favor or to do anything
all of their favors are on the wiki
also keep in mind hypnos favor is kinda a pain
but it basically can be resumed to "keep talking to him and Than"
jade temple
alright thanks
jolly star
should i unlock hidden spear or hidden shield first?
since ive already awkned the spear thing
but ive heard hidden shield was pretty good
final dune
||generally most other hidden aspects require you to unlock the hidden spear||
||so get the spear first||
dusty vault
||generally most other hidden aspects require you to unlock the hidden spear||
||You dont need to unlock it, just revealing it is enough||
jolly star
yea thats what im saying
ive revealed it
but should i get it prior to the hidden shield
sweet brook
Nah
cinder knot
just keep advancing through ely
right after this i found thanatos lmao
damn i didnt expect there to be sm drama between them
olive cosmos
How can I be able to unlock the locked hearts (that usually get unlocked by giving nectar)
I have locked hearts on Hades, Charon, and Dusa right now and i dont know how to progress them
viscid notch
I have locked hearts on Hades, Charon, and Dusa right now and i dont know how to...
You have to complete their favors. You’ll come across most of them through progressing and talking to the characters, some take more time than others and some need a few things aside from dialogue. They are all available on the wiki page if you ever get stuck.
olive cosmos
ill check that thanks
cinder knot
heartbreak flourish with relentless volley on chiron bow melts so fast 😭
limpid nimbus
try hangover with dionysus special
sweet brook
spoilers
crisp scaffold
whole sierra
what should i spend my diamonds on for contractor?
wheat steppe
Have you upgraded desk
wheat steppe
what should i spend my diamonds on for contractor?
First do fountains, then plunder (jnfernal troves), then focus on giving him a break for unlocking more upgrades. After that, do keys give you fates, and then do whatever.
Oh, also, the rod of fishing is something I recommend you get ASAP
whole sierra
oh okok
outer dagger
I have 55 ambrosia right now and still working through the gods stories... I'm wondering if I should convert them to titans blood to power my various and many aspects or if I should hold on to them until I finished with the story bits
clear aspen
I play Xbox and my fishing skills are Horrible
leaden whale
I play Xbox and my fishing skills are Horrible
bruh I don't even have the fishing rod
leaden whale
Oh, also, the rod of fishing is something I recommend you get ASAP
why's that
cinder knot
why's that
Free stuff
leaden whale
Free stuff
like what?
cinder knot
Nectar crystals etc
leaden whale
what do those do?
cinder knot
Nectar is for raising friendship with npcs crystals are for buying renovation
leaden whale
oh I interpreted that as "nectar crystals" like crystals made out of nectar or smth
cinder knot
Lmaoo
leaden whale
currently working on ||megaera romance|| so those nectars will be useful
cinder knot
You get the fishing rod i believe once you get to the final boss?? You dont have to beat it tho
clear aspen
Personal opinion Thanatos romance is better
dusty vault
You get the fishing rod i believe once you get to the final boss?? You dont have...
Just need to reach styx
leaden whale
Personal opinion Thanatos romance is better
yes but he never frickin shows up
cinder knot
Ahh i see
clear aspen
yes but he never frickin shows up
I know but like he’s hotter
leaden whale
I know but like he’s hotter
yes but he NEVER SHOWS UP
cinder knot
Thanatos sounds like he always has a cold
leaden whale
imo thanatos is like the embodiment of mm, sexy edgelord
clear aspen
yes but he NEVER SHOWS UP
Yes but when he’s around he will give a buff
leaden whale
Yes but when he’s around he will give a buff
wut?
leaden whale
just dm me I've already beaten ya boi ||hades||
cinder knot
For characters with locked hearts do i need to escape successfully first to advance?
dusty vault
You need to do a favor for them
Most of them resume to "keep talking" or do something in theme for them (like Charon = spend money)
They are also on the wiki
random copper
Someone should make a list here and get it pinned
Well not here, maybe in #h1-story-discussion
final dune
wiki
random copper
I know about the wiki, but it'd be convenient here as well
final dune
ig
gray haven
I don't think there needs to be a pin when 99% of it can be solved with just keep playing the game.
final dune
i'm making one
cinder knot
how do you get that little medal thing you need for fated persuasion?
final dune
medal?
dusty vault
You mean to unlock it or upgrade it
Or you mean unlockong fated persuasion instead of authorithy
final dune
the dice?
eternal warren
I like calling them rocks bc they look like rocks
cinder knot
the dice?
i think thats what they are?
whatever it is you need to use to reroll boons
final dune
you get them by upgrading persuasion
dusty vault
There is also a contractor uograde that makes it so picking up keys gives you 1 dice too
floral lake
How much does Rip Current lengthen the Max Gauge's length?
viscid notch
How much does Rip Current lengthen the Max Gauge's length?
whatever the tooltip says x4
floral lake
ok good. I hoped so
split cloud
hei(l), whats a good sites to check items, gifts etc
stiff ravine
what do i do if it says i need to deepen my relationship with someone?
split cloud
what do i do if it says i need to deepen my relationship with someone?
dunno, do u know any stie buddy?
split cloud
other games i play always have sth other, much better than wiki, thats why i ask
stiff ravine
dunno, do u know any stie buddy?
what’s that?
split cloud
ok thanks
tiny lagoon
I have finally beaten [REDACTED] in Hades
lean tendon
I have some boons that seem to be deactivated bc they are overlapping with new ones is there a way to get the older ones back?
final dune
you have som ewhat
dusty vault
I have some boons that seem to be deactivated bc they are overlapping with new o...
check the pool of purging if you can sell the boons
(those red pools that you see sometimes in the chambers/always after a biome
lean tendon
check the pool of purging if you can sell the boons
So even if they’re not available for use I can still get coins from them have I understood correctly?
final dune
wdym overlapping
lean tendon
wdym overlapping
Well in the run I did just now I had a boon from dionysus which gave me a dot for the normal attacks, then I got a boon from poseidon which gave a knockback for the normal attacks and after getting that one the one from Dionysus became invalid or so it seems to me
viscid notch
Well in the run I did just now I had a boon from dionysus which gave me a dot f...
It’s not overlapped it’s just overwritten, so the only way to get your Dio back is by selling your current attack then seeing Dio and getting offered the attack or if you get offered an attack swap right away you wouldnt have to sell, but it’s not something to rely on as it’s a low chance
lean tendon
Ahh okay ty
lean tendon
Can I see somewhere is I have used my death defiance already?
sweet brook
Bottom right over your health bar
final dune
bottom left right over your health bar
final dune
yeah
sweet brook
Yeah bottom left
lean tendon
Ty
chilly elm
does minotaur rush (+500% damage rush) and charged shot (bull rush turns into long poking thingy) not work together
final dune
you need to hit the shot with a timing
chilly elm
how do I learn the timing
because I dont see any visual indicator during the chargeup
dusty vault
pretty sure it has the same white flash that bow has
look closely towards the end of the charge
but minotaur rush isnt that good
you get more dps by spamming Cshot as it dmg doesnt depend on how long you charge it
chilly elm
yeah ur right
was a bad idea buying this
but charged shot and the more dmg vs armour one seems really strong
also is there any point to fishing?
chilly elm
oh fairs
leaden whale
time to do a spear run ahaha I'm going to die
chilly elm
legendary boons are confusing me
what do the charts on the wiki mean? (the big flow chart AND the duo one)
chilly elm
nah I know how the boons work sorta
final dune
do you know what cores and priorities are
sweet brook
it's a flow chart of prereqs basically
chilly elm
do you know what cores and priorities are
nah
sweet brook
like "if you have this, you can now get this, which you can now get this"
final dune
you don't really need to use the chart till you learn that
chilly elm
how do I post images here, it would help me explain alot
chilly elm
you don't really need to use the chart till you learn that
how do I learn that
final dune
paste into another server and put the link here
final dune
how do I learn that
what stage of the game are you at
because i think the time most people learn that is when they ask about shackle
but
so essentially
chilly elm
right before the edn
chilly elm
im really close, if I get there one more time Ill beat the game
final dune
-strike
-flourish
-cast
-dash
-call
your priorities are your
everything but call
everything from that list i mean
and
generally
for most duo boons
you need either a core or a priority from both gods
some are different
for instance, merciful end you need an attack or strike from both ares and athena
because it'd be even more op without that
or like
cast duos like crystal clarity, cold embrace, hunting blades
those duos will require from one god the boon that makes the duo work
so like
there's cold fusion right
between demeter and zeus
chilly elm
yeah
final dune
to get cold fusion you need from demeter
either a strike, flourish, dash, or call
idk why not cast
but you need static discharge from zeus
because the duo changes how the jolted effect works which you only get from that one boon
same with crystal clarity between demeter and artemis
from artemis you need a core that isn't a cast and from demeter you need her cast
because the duo changes the mechanics of the cast
so
that's what that means
final dune
so
the lit up boons are what you need
from demeter you need either strike, flourish, dash, or call
which are what those icons mean
from top to bottom it's strike flourish cast dash call
same order as on the left side of your screen in game
and from zeus you don't need a core but you need static discharge
which is a t2 boon you get from a core
chilly elm
one of the left 4, and static discharge
final dune
meaning it has prerequisites
chilly elm
oh ok
final dune
but once you have it yeah
chilly elm
what boon do I need for static discharge
final dune
iirc it's just anything from zeus
let me see
any core from zeus i mean
oh
any lightning effect from zeus
Lightning Strike, Thunder Flourish, Electric Shot, Thunder Dash, Zeus' Aid, Heaven's Vengeance, or Lightning Reflexes
final dune
so that's for zeus lego
chilly elm
e.g, by reading that chart, how does it tell me how I can get to zeus legendary
final dune
idk why they write it like that
but like
you need 2 of those 3 i think
oh
nvm
you only need one
dusty vault
do you have the codex upgrade yet?
final dune
so that's a tree of t1 t2 t3 boons
dusty vault
is way easier than reading those chart
final dune
yeah
chilly elm
how do I get that
ohhhh
the renovating things
idk why I keep assuming everything from him is cosmetic so I dont bother lmao
dusty vault
if its on work order then is gameplay benefit
chilly elm
if I collected a titan blood from beating a boss on a new wep, then does it go if I givee up in that same run
?
final dune
yes
chilly elm
that is really annoying
final dune
a death or a victory will both work though
chilly elm
thanks
dusty vault
that is really annoying
is nice it works that way if you wanna test an aspect but dont wanna "waste the blood"
just go test it in a run and if you dont like it, give up
final dune
lmfao i poured blood in talos once
as a joke
but then i saved it
by changing rooms
i was so mad i literally went back to a temp save and suffered through dem 32 heat again
sweet brook
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/876568482660093965/1077786466261938179/im...
hidden aspect is a spoiler here lmao
chilly elm
I think you pointing that out makes it 100x worse
sweet brook
not really
just spoiler your image
newer players are gonna be like "what's that" and "how do i get that" before they even get a clear
chilly elm
I dont think I can spoiler images
final dune
try spoilering the link
chilly elm
if I have a trial of the gods, then can I still get a duo boon between them later?
chilly elm
and this is an example to help my question:
lets say I qualify for a duo boon between 2 gods, does my chances get higher the more boons I have for either/both of them?
sweet brook
(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fill all three slots with priority boons,
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (i.e., Jolted, Marked, Rupture, or Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with whatever is available.
-Nyaanyaa
chilly elm
so in any run, I should aim to fill all priority slots ASAP?
final dune
you generally will anyways
chilly elm
but I never use cast pretty much
final dune
sometimes you end up with no cast but otherwise you'll have all
sweet brook
but filling the cores will help duo chances
final dune
but I never use cast pretty much
it says if all are empty
chilly elm
oh fairs
sweet brook
like if i have flood shot and deadly strike and i want mirage shot, taking divine flourish will open up both deadly reversal and unshakable mettle
chilly elm
so is it a good idea for a beginner to just aim for them all the time?
chilly elm
curse of longing looks really broken, is it really?
chilly elm
yeah
final dune
it doesn't apply if you add more doom
chilly elm
oh fairs
final dune
so if you hit 100 doom and then after that drops you put another one on the first one won't continue
chilly elm
what is a meta broken build for the zeus disc
sweet brook
are all duo boons considered generally strong?
no lol
final dune
btw double strike is bugged
onnnn
flourish flare vengeance and sea storm
sadly not call
but the chance for a double strike is a lot higher than the boon says
sweet brook
you get something like merciful end, and then you have something like unshakable mettle
chilly elm
by zeus disc I mean the one where you pay titaan blood to unlock it
not zues build for the shield
sweet brook
jokes on you, zeus special on the zeus shield is meta
sweet brook
the only time it isn't meta is when you're speedrunning for a low time
final dune
what do you take that isn't thunder flourish
sweet brook
ME lmfao
final dune
lmao
sweet brook
what else
chilly elm
I thought dionysus was broken on the shieeld
sweet brook
ME is the literal speed duo
sweet brook
I thought dionysus was broken on the shieeld
it's decent on zeus
chilly elm
for the special
chilly elm
ok im gonna grind zues on zues shield
chilly elm
what duo boons are good with that, and should I bother building the legendary?
final dune
i'd imagine lego is good on it
sweet brook
what duo boons are good with that, and should I bother building the legendary?
technically yes but you dont "aim" for it lol
because like
all the zeus supporting boons benefit zeus special to begin with
chilly elm
any tips for getting legendaries? Ive never got one before
sweet brook
and it just naturally leads to the legendary
final dune
zeus has the widest array of useful supporting boons
chilly elm
but I can see very clearly how
sweet brook
any tips for getting legendaries? Ive never got one before
get the prereq, pray you see the god again
final dune
zeus has the widest array of useful supporting boons
meanwhile clean kill:
chilly elm
you need 4 prereqs before you get the zeus legendary, is that even worth it ahah
sweet brook
what
sweet brook
you only need like 2
chilly elm
OHHHHHHHHHHHH
chilly elm
NVM I SEEE IT
final dune
well yeah
but i mean
if you got flourish and jolted and you sold flourish could you get lego
chilly elm
which zeus prereqs do I takee with the shield then
sweet brook
double strike ideally
but i'd generally take static discharge over double strike i think
static discharge isn't a prereq
final dune
uhhh high voltage is not that good though
sweet brook
but it's just good
final dune
oh
sweet brook
uhhh high voltage is not that good though
it's a cope pick to open up the legendary
final dune
what the hell is a storm lightning
sweet brook
that's for the atk and cast
final dune
oh that trash
sweet brook
because it's chain lightning
sweet brook
oh that trash
good for opening up legendary lmao
final dune
idk if that counts as good
sweet brook
also it's decent on eris
final dune
does zeus lego proc with sea storm
chilly elm
what are good zeus duo's with the zues shield?
sweet brook
atk
chilly elm
ahahahhaa no waay
after that talk I went in and pretty much all I found was zeus at the start
final dune
lmfao
chilly elm
"Your collectible Bloodstones strike nearby foes every 1 Sec.
Lightning Damage: 70"
What bloodstones?
the ones that drop on the floor?
when I cast?
final dune
rod is very funny to kite bosses around
chilly elm
which item makes it so my attacks dont knock foes away
sweet brook
pulverizing blow hammer
chilly elm
daedelus?
chilly elm
daedelus is broken
sweet brook
he's got some good and bad stuff yeah
final dune
i gotta say sometimes when i played shield i wished that it just by default didnt
its so annoying to knock snakestones out of play area
sweet brook
okay but activating sea storm without having tempest strike is neat
just get charged shot
sweet brook
take flood shot
sweet brook
but why do you have pos and zeus cores
thunder dash on ||beo|| lmao
chilly elm
if I select a new gods boon in the after-boss place, can I force the god of my next boon?
final dune
wdym
sweet brook
i took thunder dash late ely because if i get sea storm it'd be funny
also might get jolted
sweet brook
if I select a new gods boon in the after-boss place, can I force the god of my n...
yes
final dune
you mean changing keepskaes between biomes?
yes you can
that's an integral part of what makes builds actually possible
chilly elm
so then could I change, then change back, and force zeus?
final dune
you can't use a keepsake more htan once
chilly elm
jesus I thought everyone just got really lucky ahah
final dune
but if you forced a diff god in tart then yeah you can force zeus
final dune
jesus I thought everyone just got really lucky ahah
everyone has amazing rng if you have game knowledge
sweet brook
jesus I thought everyone just got really lucky ahah
bold statement coming from someone who got splitting bolt in tartarus miniboss
final dune
what's miniboss lego chance
sweet brook
10%
final dune
is that higher than normal
final dune
oh nvm i was htinking of trials
final dune
what are your other options
chilly elm
empowering flight and explosive return, really annoyed I didnt get the onee that negates knockback
final dune
this is zeus?
final dune
explosive return lmao
chilly elm
ty
sweet brook
if you have cshot, breaching rush is also good
but on zeus shield, i wouldn't take it over explosive return
chilly elm
rare crop or blizzard shot on the zeus shield
sorry for the questions its just for this 1 run I want it to be perfect
final dune
what rarity crop
chilly elm
the actual rare crop boon? common
final dune
what's 3rd option
sweet brook
what other boons do you have
final dune
what dash do you have
sweet brook
if the boons you have dont care about rarity then rare crop is fine
chilly elm
no dash, loads of zeus boons
final dune
does blizzard shot ruin styx potential for flood shot
sweet brook
kinda yeah
sweet brook
if you have a lot of zeus boons, the only ones that'll hurt you (for now) if it hits is thunder flourish and static discharge
chilly elm
so dont take those?
final dune
no like
chilly elm
I have both of those lol
sweet brook
if rare crop hits either of those, it'll suck for now until the rarity upgrades
chilly elm
cant believe I died in styx
felt so strong but I wasted both death defiances in the elysium boss fight because of that damn rare crop
gray haven
What did ||Rare Crop|| have to do with you losing DDs? 
chilly elm
because I am crap at twin fights
CANT MUTE ME FOR THAT WORK CAN YOU? LITTLE RAT @merry seal
final dune
what did it hit
chilly elm
idk but its my excuse im taking it
rolled 0 prereqs on demeteer should I restart lmao, im only like 7 chambers in
nah nvm I wont its probably a bad habit to do that
gray haven
Oh yeah, ||she and her boons|| are spoilers here btw.
chilly elm
sorry
chilly elm
bold statement coming from someone who got splitting bolt in tartarus miniboss
lmao did it again
sudden rush or breaching rush with the zeus aspect?
sweet brook
sudden
chilly elm
lets saay there is a trial of the gods between zeus and aphro, can I get a duo boon between zeus and someone else if I pick him first
or only when I pick him second, or does it not matter
chilly elm
even for other gods?
final dune
no
chilly elm
ok thanks
chilly elm
LETS GOOO beat the game
kind remnant
Did you though
lean tendon
Do I get titan blood if I beat a different fury?
Or is it only with different weapons, am not sure since I now beat the second fury sister but also with a weapon I haven’t used before
upbeat spoke
it counts as same boss so no you don't
lean tendon
Okay
lean tendon
I’m chamber 22 do I need to go to the trader now or can I wait another chamber?
viscid notch
I’m chamber 22 do I need to go to the trader now or can I wait another chamber?
If you don't have a Chaos or Erebus extension you'll have to go to the shop or shop equivalent next. These are fixed chambers in every biome.
lean tendon
kk ty
lean tendon
If you don't have a Chaos or Erebus extension you'll have to go to the shop or s...
Extension? U mean like meeting them earlier r?
viscid notch
It means taking them in the last normal encounter of a biome. You must see a Shop as your last room before the boss fight so the Chaos/Erebus just extends the biome by 1 chamber.
So if you take a Chaos gate in c12 (last room in Tartarus), it'll be c13 Chaos, c14 shop, c15 boss
lean tendon
Ah okay, but cant u get to charon sometimes like in the middle of a biome
lean tendon
So if you take a Chaos gate in c12 (last room in Tartarus), it'll be c13 Chaos, ...
So that only works if chaos is the last room
viscid notch
Yes. There's 2 shops. The midshop is not forced however and you can easily skip it.
viscid notch
So that only works if chaos is the last room
Correct. Taking a Chaos gate before a midshop has no effect on biome length.
lean tendon
Ahh okay ty
lean tendon
Are bonuses for attack or special multiplicative or additive?
wheat steppe
is there such thing as a general guide outline for different aspects?
final dune
wdym
if you want guide collection
doesn't have all of them but has the good ones
oh btw that has spoilers
if you want a guide for weapons generally one of nyaanyaa's pins in this channel has a steam guide
wheat steppe
i cant figure out a consistent build on poseidon or nemesis
final dune
oh
well
poseidon has a lot of different builds
most casts will work
its bonus is better with casts that stick
you can do lightning phalanx
or electric shot
it's kinda overshadowed by achilles
but it's still a pretty decent aspect
and then nemesis
crit builds are great
you can go for heart rend
deadly reversal isn't necessarily what you build around but it's a nice touch
gray haven
Nemesis guide by me: #h1-for-new-players message
lean tendon
Im not far yet barely beaten the hydra thrice, there is an offer for titan blood for 15 keys
Should i get it?
Have all weapons and beaten the furies with everyone, havnt unlocked all mirror abilities yet i think i still can get like 2 upgrades for that
gray haven
Should i get it?
Yes.
leaden whale
got aspect of zeus today so I can finish getting all bounties before turning heat up
lean tendon
Can I see somewhere how far I have gotten with each weapon?
hushed cape
The || archives, the door you see when you take a left at Achilles you may need to unlock it tho iirc ||
lean tendon
Ty
stiff ravine
what is Achilles's quest/favor again? sometimes i just skip through the dialogue and i guess i missed it
dusty vault
what is Achilles's quest/favor again? sometimes i just skip through the dialogue...
reunite him with pat
stiff ravine
ty
leaden bear
Does Orpheus have to move to find his wife
carmine flare
Hello, just got 2 hammers in a run... how common is this?
eternal warren
it's actually basically guaranteed provided you can get far enough and aren't passing up hammer doors!
There's one hammer possible in tarturus/aspho, and another in elysium
carmine flare
Thanks
outer dagger
I haven't been paying enough attention to know, but does Hunter's Mark work against single target? Like, if I crit a single boss with no other enemies around, does the boss get the crit chance+ debuff?
gray haven
No.
signal locust
Aphrodite
lean tendon
Ty
leaden whale
I haven't been paying enough attention to know, but does Hunter's Mark work agai...
unless you're fighting lernie or theseus + asterius, hunter's mark doesn't activate. It can only activate against megaera or alecto when they summon minions, and same goes for ||hades|| minions
viscid notch
I dont see a spoiler
leaden whale
hi jazz, do you know which aspect is best for exagryph
final dune
uh
i mean
hestia
but if you're new eris
hestia is kind of trash at lower levels
eris works at even just like lvl 2
but yeah hestia is the 2nd best aspect in the game once youve got them all maxed
viscid notch
Is that by your own ranking?
final dune
thats what i believe and what a decent few other people would say
cause like what else is better than it
not rama or hera
not zeus
lean tendon
Ah that one boon of Artemis where u fire one arrow upon hit from your attack special or if you fire your cast, does it work if the special has multiple hits?
final dune
Ah that one boon of Artemis where u fire one arrow upon hit from your attack spe...
cluster bomb?
lean tendon
For example
viscid notch
Ah that one boon of Artemis where u fire one arrow upon hit from your attack spe...
It's support fire isnt it? It has an internal cooldown so it depends on how spaced out the hits are, on Chiron for example it works nicely.
viscid notch
thats what i believe and what a decent few other people would say
It depends on the context. It should be clarified that that is just your opinion. Hestia is a great weapon but a lot of top players wouldnt rank it as 2nd, whether it's speedrunning or ||high heat||
leaden whale
I like hestia cuz u can just keep reloading and having super powerful shots
so I think imma spend my titan blood on hestia
final dune
its also very easy to get clears with
final dune
It depends on the context. It should be clarified that that is just your opinion...
wht would peolpe put at 2nd?
leaden whale
its also very easy to get clears with
aww yiss
viscid notch
wht would peolpe put at 2nd?
For Speedrunning Hera and ||Beowulf|| are definitely the contenders for top spots. Cast weps are far more powerful in terms of damage output and scaling options. As a third it depends who you ask and if you're just looking at a specific biome or the whole thing but there is clear ranking among Eris, Hestia, and Achilles. For example Hestia and Achilles probably have the best Tartarus times on average, but also the worst Elysium and Styx times out of the aspects I mentioned.
As for ||High heat||. Hestia is a great weapon and handles a lot of ||pacts|| well, so it's a top weapon, it also depends on how much ||heat|| is being used. However, shields exist, Zeus and ||Beo|| are insane at ||High heat||. You also have other weapon like ||Rama|| which I would personally take over Hestia anytime. Some other weps shine in specific scenarios and with a bit more skill, such as Zag shield with Charged Shot, it's capable of pushing really high in the right hands.
viscid notch
Yup
lean tendon
Static discharge, does the enemie also deal damage to itself or only to nearby foes?
I mean it says self-inflicts
sweet brook
it doesn't spread
lean tendon
The question was if the enemy deals damage to itself bc i didnt quite understand if it only damages itself or also deals damage to other foes
final dune
damage when it attacks
lean tendon
damage when it attacks
So it deals damage to itself then?
Ambrosia for 10 nectar worth it?
viscid notch
The question was if the enemy deals damage to itself bc i didnt quite understand...
It's just a lightning bolt, if something is close enough the aoe will hit them, or if you have something like high voltage.
lean tendon
Ty ty
viscid notch
Ambrosia for 10 nectar worth it?
ig depends on whether you need it or not. You'll probably need more nectar earlier in the game and more ambrosia later on when you progress relationships and get ||companions||
nocturne berry
Any tips on fighting the enemies in the 3rd region, the ones that use the weapons you use?
gray haven
Any tips on fighting the enemies in the 3rd region, the ones that use the weapon...
Aside from a lot of practice, the easiest solutions are just gonna be learning stronger builds, getting more max HP before Elysium, and upgrading your mirror and weapons more.
final dune
the blue man group can be frustrating
gray haven
As well as House Contractor upgrades like more healing from fountains.
Bone Hourglass can also help a lot with healing and DPS through Elysium.
final dune
often something that helps with mobility and safety is your ability to dash through some walls and moderately sized gaps
both of which are plentiful in elysium
lean tendon
ig depends on whether you need it or not. You'll probably need more nectar earli...
Just just bout it since a 50% discount is still huge
nocturne berry
Aside from a lot of practice, the easiest solutions are just gonna be learning s...
Ik all of that lol I've fought them multiple times, I was just asking if there is a definitive way to beat them
gray haven
Yeah, get better builds that let you just play hyper-aggressive. That's the easiest solution to your problem.
hazy walrus
is there any point to gifting nectar to bouldy after i've already gotten the companion from sis?
hazy walrus
he gives buffs
do i have to reach a certain point before he starts to do that? or is it given each time i gift him
upbeat spoke
yes everytime you give nectar you get buff
for that run only
he has I think 6 and gives you one random one for that run
list here
burnt locust
me when i am playing hades and then enemy with shield appears
lean tendon
Does swift flourish from Hermes also increase the rate at which I can fire my special?
nocturne berry
Is there a way to get titan blood other than clearing regions with a new weapon
viscid notch
Does swift flourish from Hermes also increase the rate at which I can fire my sp...
Yes
It's not as noticeable at lower rarity
And it's not all that good on most weapons
viscid notch
Is there a way to get titan blood other than clearing regions with a new weapon
Prophecies and trading at the broker.
upbeat spoke
when you get access to the lounge
nocturne berry
What is the best weapon
final dune
theres no best weapon
the bow rail and shield are safer than spear fists and sword because the game isnt super melee friendly
but otherwise there's no best weapon
misty palm
It depends on what works for you
But generally people find the shield, the sword and the spear really good
The bow is, i think, the worst one
And the gun is ok, but the need to reload is annoying
final dune
The bow is, i think, the worst one
no
bow is like really good
spear isn't that good
final dune
well you said generally
if it's your opinion say "in my opinion" not "generally people"
misty palm
Well, yeah, usually that’s the consensus
final dune
it is?
misty palm
And i agree with it
final dune
with who
misty palm
With people
nocturne berry
The spear is good bro
final dune
well
nocturne berry
Annoying boss tho
nocturne berry
Sorry
final dune
you can beat the game with all of them
but if you're going for your first clear it's oftentimes easier to use something like the shield or bow or rail
misty palm
Yeah, i beat the game with all of them, but the bow was the hardest
misty palm
The bow you need to press down a long time
misty palm
Yeah, i had difficulty with that too
final dune
do you dash strike to attack
nocturne berry
Dash strikes are generally safer
misty palm
But i had the boon that allowed me to not reload
nocturne berry
Yeah that one
misty palm
I dont remember
opaque scroll
Also special against wall
What Aspect?
opaque scroll
you keep iframes on your dash attacks
AYO?!
nocturne berry
What Aspect?
The crit after special one
final dune
The crit after special one
nemesis?
opaque scroll
The crit after special one
Nice, fellow Nemesis main
nocturne berry
Yes
gray haven
Well, yeah, usually that’s the consensus
Since when and on what planet?
nocturne berry
I've been playing for 3 days so far
And I did reach the surface
But boss is hard
opaque scroll
Indeed.
final dune
just takes practice
nocturne berry
35 attempts in
misty palm
Since when and on what planet? <:tizomg:456913427588317184>
Yeah, the majority of people that i ask say that is what they prefer
final dune
Yeah, the majority of people that i ask say that is what they prefer
are you asking people in #h1-for-new-players
final dune
or reddit or something
nocturne berry
True, but the grindset ain't always there ya know
Thesus really pisses me off man
misty palm
Sometime reddit, i asked in discussion
opaque scroll
or reddit or something
Nah, reddit loves Bow, it and fists always poll high.
final dune
reddit loves chiron*
nocturne berry
I like fists, but in elysiem it's quite hard to not get hit
opaque scroll
Thesus really pisses me off man
Yeah he's a prick, but once you start rolling him he starts getting pretty funny to talk with.
misty palm
Fists are ok
misty palm
the game is pretty anti-melee
No
final dune
what
misty palm
Melee is usually the best
misty palm
Yeah
opaque scroll
I like fists, but in elysiem it's quite hard to not get hit
Simply deal more damage 🤓
dusty vault
bait them into attacks and dash through them
nocturne berry
Ik but
dusty vault
also they always spawn facing right
nocturne berry
They have way too much health
opaque scroll
And 90% of your attacks
With fists when u learn to dash strike behind them consistently the revenge is so sweet
nocturne berry
Then again I have only been playing for 3 days, maybe I'll get better a week later
nocturne berry
With fists when u learn to dash strike behind them consistently the revenge is s...
Back stabber also a nice increase
final dune
i'd recommend shield if you're having trouble though
opaque scroll
Then again I have only been playing for 3 days, maybe I'll get better a week lat...
Prolly, just get your mirror up and it should help your dmg immensely.
nocturne berry
I almost maxed out my mirror
misty palm
Shield is really good
nocturne berry
Shield and sword are very strong
misty palm
Rail is annoying
final dune
only nemesis is really good on sword
opaque scroll
Back stabber also a nice increase
Even as someone anti meta, Shadow presence is still my go to pick, it's just too good to pass up.
final dune
Rail is annoying
how
nocturne berry
I like all weapons except rail
misty palm
Reload
final dune
Even as someone anti meta, Shadow presence is still my go to pick, it's just too...
fiery is meta lmao
cant think of anything that doesnt take fiery
opaque scroll
I like all weapons except rail
Reminds me of how I feel about bow.
misty palm
Exactly
nocturne berry
I came here form the binding of isaac discord
opaque scroll
Gun kooky but if you slap a good build together you're cruising.
misty palm
not relevant amount of time
What
nocturne berry
Someone said that they would drop isaac for hades 2
opaque scroll
Genuinely so much fun.
opaque scroll
Someone said that they would drop isaac for hades 2
Makes sense, it's Hades
nocturne berry
Makes sense, it's Hades
Idk man I would pick isaac over hades anytime
misty palm
reloading is not a significant amount of time
Yeah, but it breaks the flow of the game
dusty vault
and if on kbm, turn off aim at cursor
opaque scroll
Yeah, you need a dedicated button for reload for sure.
final dune
Yeah, but it breaks the flow of the game
you can cancel the animation
misty palm
And you have to back out
opaque scroll
Yeah, but it breaks the flow of the game
Nah, you can get used to it decently quick, just need good button placement.
final dune
if it "broke the flow of the game" hestia would be garbage
opaque scroll
And you have to back out
Tbf, gun just might not be the weapon for you.
Like me and bow
opaque scroll
if it "broke the flow of the game" hestia would be garbage
Hestia's busted, but maybe he just doesn't like the reload mechanic
misty palm
I dont
final dune
i think it's crucial to know that you can cancel the reload animation though
that's a decent part of playing rail
opaque scroll
Just my opinion
Fair, gotta play as best for you
misty palm
Yeah
opaque scroll
that's a decent part of playing rail
Yeah, for sure.
Do ya just dash out of the animation to cancel? Been a while since I ran Rail.
misty palm
How would you cancel that animation though
dusty vault
dash while reloading, press special, press cast
misty palm
Yeah
final dune
ok then
misty palm
Not necessary
final dune
you can beat the game boonless mirrorless
doesn't mean the mirror isn't necessary or boons aren't necessary
misty palm
Yeah, but that’s hard
Not using special is not
Not using special was actually easier for me
final dune
you're intentionally making the game harder
final dune
well you say you don't like rail
part of that is probably from not using the special
what aspect do you use
misty palm
The last one
final dune
hidden?
final dune
not hestia?
misty palm
No
gray haven
Yeah, the majority of people that i ask say that is what they prefer
Asking casual players what aspects or weapons are best in Hades is like asking casual chess players to rate different chess openings. The feedback you get is useless for determining what's best because they don't know the theory and they lack the experience to make qualified judgments.
The strongest weapons overall are shield, bow, and rail.
final dune
like all of hidden rail's damage against high health enemies comes from special lmfao
that's an exaggeration
but it's a large part
opaque scroll
True.
gray haven
that's an exaggeration
You like using those.
misty palm
Was still able to beat it
opaque scroll
You can pretty much play the game with Luci's special as main damage
final dune
You like using those. <:tizomg:456913427588317184>
the nature of being young
misty palm
That means not necessary for me
final dune
if you beat the game mirrorless that doesn't mean mirror isn't necessary
misty palm
To them it’s not necessary
final dune
you're self sabotaging your dps
misty palm
To us, it is
final dune
To them it’s not necessary
i did it and it's definitely necessary lmfao
misty palm
At that time it wasnt for you
opaque scroll
Leave him be, he's gonna play how he plays regardless.
misty palm
Yeah
final dune
yeah but i dont want people telling other people that you'll do just as well on rail without using special
reddit-tier advice
opaque scroll
reddit-tier advice
True, gotta put the facts out there, but no use arguing that guy
gray haven
but if you're going for your first clear it's oftentimes easier to use something...
I think bow is probably among the most difficult for a first clear just simply because it takes more practice to reach a base level of competence with it. Or somebody tells you how to build Hera lol.
final dune
skelly is a blessing
misty palm
Bow mid
opaque scroll
I think bow is probably among the most difficult for a first clear just simply b...
Objectively yes, there's nothing that shows my skill issue more than bow.
goddamn.
gray haven
The weapon that has held the unmodded speedrun WR for literally over a year is probably not mid lol.
final dune
high rolling for flurry lmao
opaque scroll
skelly is a blessing
'Specially on|| Erebus||
final dune
oh i mean like
for practicing
i put in like 2 hours just for my hestia rotation on skelly lmao
opaque scroll
The weapon that has held the unmodded speedrun WR for literally over a year is p...
Ranged Weapons kinda have a supremacy on WR huh?
final dune
and now i spam buttons and it works
gray haven
Ranged Weapons kinda have a supremacy on WR huh?
Cast aspects for speedruns.
final dune
||i think someone should take wr with passion flare||
gray haven
Hera and hidden shield specifically lol. Hard to keep up for any other aspect.
opaque scroll
I mean Shield carries the melee weapons true
final dune
Hera and hidden shield specifically lol. Hard to keep up for any other aspect.
||just get 3 ixions and 5 purple chaos lunges, no sweat||
opaque scroll
Simply become RNJesus
gray haven
||just get 3 ixions and 5 purple chaos lunges, no sweat||
Yeah, now make that 5 Grasps/Shots lol.
opaque scroll
||i think someone should take wr with passion flare||
Nyaa'd prolly be the one to do it lol.
gray haven
I've never had that kind of interest in speedruns lol.
final dune
hera rta wr:
opaque scroll
I've never had that kind of interest in speedruns lol.
Fair, me neither.
opaque scroll
But the Aunt 'Dite's apostle would prolly be the best bet
opaque scroll
sub7 continues to elude me
Y'all are insane I swear
cedar holly
does vorime still have speed wr?
gray haven
hera rta wr:
That was me practicing RTA for a couple days for fun lol. Speedrunners were mainly grinding for IGT and not really paying too much attention to RTA either unless it was like 3 weapon runs, mainly those who practiced for like Hermes Cup and stuff.
gray haven
does vorime still have speed wr?
Croven has unmodded and Vorime has modded.
cedar holly
few days ago
sweet brook
"just" as in like 3 weeks ago
final dune
yeah 2 weeks ago
cedar holly
i have no grasp of time
opaque scroll
does vorime still have speed wr?
Vorime the GOAT
sweet brook
||i think someone should take wr with passion flare||
Unironically impossible unless it's a cast replacement at the end of styx
opaque scroll
Still remember when he broke my brain when doing the Hades mod
final dune
it's literally best cast wdym
sweet brook
||flood flare hitting through walls in Styx while passion can't is such a huge deal for speed||
gray haven
Unironically impossible unless it's a cast replacement at the end of styx
Nah, that's very possible. Just requires too many resets lol.
final dune
it's aphrodite's cast
final dune
||flood flare hitting through walls in Styx while passion can't is such a huge d...
love finds a way
gray haven
We probably shouldn't be having a vet discussion about speedrun WRs in the newbie channel though lol.
sweet brook
Oops
gray haven
Well, I guess y'all are newbies. 
sweet brook
True