Very much so
#h1-for-new-players
somber frigate
green moth
I have a been
I just died a few times at the beginning
I never died to hydra just going yolo
And keep winning somehow
Attack patterns are the same
late thistle
ok
late thistle
Generally having a build in mind will fall together far better though
is there a way to know what build or which build will be best for that one specific run?
junior crest
do u guys have any tips for defeating the hydra
i’ve managed to do so once but i honestly had no idea what i was doing 😭
uneven osprey
hide from its shooty things behind pillars, if a head pops up that spits out minions focus that one
and don't be like me and dash into the lava and die lol
junior crest
hide from its shooty things behind pillars, if a head pops up that spits out min...
they go around the pillars tho omg
uneven osprey
yeah you can kinda maneuver to get them to hit the pillars
bc their turn radius is pretty large
sweet brook
your dashes have iframes so you can dash sideways into them when they go around the pillars
junior crest
okk i’ll keep that in mind
junior crest
your dashes have iframes so you can dash sideways into them when they go around ...
icic
sweet brook
i just face tank it
late thistle
what builds would be best for early game
sweet brook
lightning strike eris + arty/aphro special
crush shot hera
merciful end (with ddash + impending doom) on any sword, spear, or fist
charged shot hammer on zag shield (with a few levels would be nice, but whatever)
charged shot hammer on chaos shield because it'll play the same as zag shield if you dont use the special
if you've been using zeus shield a lot, thunder flourish on it works (dont need levels in this aspect)
there's also a ton more in this build guide, but those above imo are probably some of the easiest https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide
late thistle
damn there's a lot
somber frigate
is there a way to know what build or which build will be best for that one speci...
If it hits heavy, you want a % modifier
If it hits fast, you want fast damage
Have fun experimenting or ask a bit more specifically
wooden cipher
what should I do if my mouse disappears?
That feels like a #h1-tech-support thing.
On a more, uh.... "obvious" note, you did try to restart the game and your pc right?
lunar eagle
If you purge a boon from the pool of purging does it still increase your chances to get a boon from that god?
gray haven
The god remains in the god pool, yes.
west current
Does anyone enjoy using the bow? I see Hera is ranked S across the board....but feels weird to use for me.
I'm a ranged that can only get full dps if i use it like a shotgun
prisma kelp
I hated bow until I tried Chiron aspect. So good
||Rama|| is ok too for me
prisma kelp
Oh sorry! Edited
cobalt bay
bow is my favorite
sweet brook
Does anyone enjoy using the bow? I see Hera is ranked S across the board....but ...
Always dash strike with bow
It'll feel less clunky and be much faster
leaden whale
Some of these limited trades are just really bad x_x
Under normal circumstances, 1 titan blood = 2 diamonds.
late thistle
how do i get mroe titan blood if i got them all for all the weapons already?
how do i get that thing tho
ok
analog grail
goodlucks!
gray haven
@analog grail ||the pact of punishment and the final boss|| are spoilers in this channel. 
I'm so sorry
gray haven
No worries, happens all the time lol.
analog grail
gray haven
End boss and anything onward, which includes hidden aspects and ||Lady Demeter||.
distant rain
Spoiler-free attempt at answering: You'll have the opportunity to get more blood after you beat the final boss and get into "New game plus" options
ivory vortex
@leaden whale Hey, so with ambrosia you can gift them to any of the cast of characters as you wish
or is that nectar
leaden whale
or is that nectar
That’s nectar
ivory vortex
its been awhile since ive played im starting a fresh file as we speak
in light of hades 2
ill censor what im about to ask to avoid spoiling our new players but || i forgot how to unlock the aspects of the weapons i have the fated prophecies list and all of the weapons unlocked? ||
midnight gazelle
ill censor what im about to ask to avoid spoiling our new players but || i forgo...
||you need the Aspect of Guan Yu iirc to work on the rest of the hidden ones, if thats what you mean||
ivory vortex
||you need the Aspect of Guan Yu iirc to work on the rest of the hidden ones, if...
|| i dont remember how to get to that point im asking ||
midnight gazelle
|| i dont remember how to get to that point im asking ||
||have the list of prophecies, have 5 non Zagreus aspects unlocked, reach Hades at least once, and then keep talking to Achilles until he mentions a crimson phoenix, then go to the spear and interact with it||
late thistle
so tempting to click lol
tardy mesa
Ive made it to final boss 3 times in a row, with 3 different weapons, but i keep losing 
At least im getting consistent at elysium
gray haven
You can do it! 
tardy mesa
You can do it! <:dusa:522248771409543188>
I know i can, but im just losing too many deats at elysium boss lol
gray haven
Are you using the Acorn in Elysium?
tardy mesa
Are you using the Acorn in Elysium?
No im not, usually i try to use skelly’s tooth, but last run i didnt know you couldnt swap to it between realms lol
But i should tbh
gray haven
You can swap to it, but not if you already used it earlier.
tardy mesa
Ya i understand that now
gray haven
Try Hourglass or Acorn in Elysium and then Acorn in Styx.
tardy mesa
I accidentaly started with it in tartarus
gray haven
Ah lol.
tardy mesa
Which i never lose a death in anymore, as well as asphodel
I typically only die in elysium and styx
gray haven
Sounds like you're making steady progress, in any case.
tardy mesa
Yea i am, and may i ask what ambrosia does? I have been saving one but traded all my others for blood
(I have made it past elysium 4 times with 4 seperate weapons)
gray haven
Same as Nectar but at high affinity.
tardy mesa
Gotcha, so its not hugely important
gray haven
Well, it's important for story.
But trading in some Ambrosia for Titan Blood isn't a bad idea.
tardy mesa
Yea ill try to keep one on hand
gray haven
By time you need a lot of Ambrosia, you won't have much or any use for Nectar anymore, so you can just trade up.
tardy mesa
The first time i was able to use titan blood, i didnt know i could do it for all weapons so like a fool i spent my 3 blood i had on exagryph, which was the weapon i was using at the time lol
tardy mesa
I got both other aspects
Er wait
I got zagreus and eris, and later i got hestia
But i assume you can get more titan blood post game
gray haven
Eris is pretty good for a first clear.
Yes, you'll unlock ways to get more after your first win.
Plus there's the Wretched Broker and Charon's shop in Styx.
gray haven
No.
gray haven
All good, it was ambiguous lol.
late thistle
is it just me or is the spear not a good weapon to use
somber frigate
It’s just you
late thistle
idk how when to throw or anything lol
ivory vortex
I dont know how much in detail i can go but overtime it gets better
ivory vortex
what a good pun
late thistle
ok
somber frigate
idk how when to throw or anything lol
You don’t really focus on the special unless ||it’s guan-yu,|| or zagreus/hades with exploding launcher
late thistle
idk the special on the Chiron bow is kinda op for me rn
ivory vortex
Chiron is a favorite of mine with Dionysus special so much damage
sweet brook
idk the special on the Chiron bow is kinda op for me rn
They were referring to spears lol
Some weapons do use the special ofc
But for spears you don't really unless it's Achilles or hidden
Also on Achilles you don't even like focus it, you just use it for the boost only
late thistle
o ok lol
somber frigate
But for spears you don't really unless it's Achilles or hidden
I mean, zag and hades if you see exploding launcher (then look for charged skewer)
Especially on Hades because it can’t get flurry
sweet brook
based
tbf none of the rail aspects really need levels in it except hestia
eris is a free damage boost basically and zag rail is just normal
tardy mesa
I used eris yea
late thistle
my rng is so trash goddamn bro
dawn mesa
Depends! The music stand will allow you to unlock songs so you can choose what plays when you're in the lounge area; fishing rod lets you fish in some areas (random spawn)- you can return fish to the chef for some resources
And ambrosia is used later on in each character's affection track with Zag. So once you've given someone X amount of nectar, you'll need to give them ambrosia instead to progress your relationship further.
raw vessel
And ambrosia is used later on in each character's affection track with Zag. So o...
should i keep them or trade them in. for titan blood so i can get the hidden aspect for the spear
i main the spear btw
dawn mesa
should i keep them or trade them in. for titan blood so i can get the hidden asp...
HMMM, I think it really depends on your priorities? I'd say if you're most excited to get the weapon unlocks, go for it-- ambrosia isn't super easy to come by, but it's also not impossible to get, so you can still pick it up later on for the affection tracks :3
Sounds like you love spear so I'd say go for it 
raw vessel
aight ty
clever dune
is it just me or is Dionysus dot kinda broken?
west current
How about casting? Stick to debuffs?
cobalt bay
Dionysus dot is very very good. downside is you don't get any benefit after 5 stacks. with some weapons and playstyles this isn't an issue. I would say new players get more value out of it since they may attack less frequently (spending more time moving around and dashing) but as you get better and your attack "uptime" improves, the attractiveness of others grows more and more while the dot does not. It still has its place though and being able to get the value out of it while playing more defensively is definitely valuable in some cases.
leaden whale
Can someone please explain to me why the developers chose to put the ||bond|| symbol next to the keepsake? Does it do anything to the keepsake? Because it seems like it doesn't?
viscid notch
Can someone please explain to me why the developers chose to put the ||bond|| sy...
Purely visual
leaden whale
Hmph. More like purely confusing. But thanks for clarifying that the situation isn't "I'm just crazy and they're better now"
wooden cipher
Can someone please explain to me why the developers chose to put the ||bond|| sy...
Because keepsakes come from your first bond, probably.
proud citrus
For plume and butterfly, do the benefits you rightfully earn persist in the run even when you swap to another keepsake or do the keepsakes have to be kept on to keep their bonuses
buoyant jay
you have to keep it on
proud citrus
But what if I like keeping the rewards for my hard work?
leaden whale
But what if I like keeping the rewards for my hard work?
Then you should steer clear of roguelikes/roguelites
(Or you can mod the game or something so that it does what you want it to)
untold ravine
But what if I like keeping the rewards for my hard work?
Don't play this game dawg 💀
Play an rpg or smth
ivory vortex
because its not an rpg and its a dungeon crawler rougelike game
untold ravine
Lol
"Why is certain game in certain game genre not like certain game in entirely different genre"
proud citrus
The gender of the game doesn't matter, it's either s good game or a bad game indepent of genre
I still think hades is a good game
I just think it would benefit interpreting more elements from ff14
faint umbra
genuinely curious since i dont play ff14, like what elements?
proud citrus
Mounts
In-game Guilds
The ability to equip different armors in addition to different weapons
sweet brook
armor basically the mirror lmao
proud citrus
They DO have reputation systems in Hades which is nice
But could also add things like.. cosmetic pets you can equip that follow you around. I mean yeah we have companions but they're not the same as something that follows you like a pet
Could also add an in-game economy where people can buy cosmetics from other players with a unique currency
Could also add more player housing options
Wouldn't it be cool if you could have a house in Elysium (but still have to ride/fast travel down the river to start a run)
sweet brook
lmao i mean those things would look cool but probably wouldn't add much to the game at all
twilit mica
dark souls boss
leaden whale
should I buy Hades?
twilit mica
should I buy Hades?
i mean if you wanna but its a good game
leaden whale
it's a rogue like?
restive briar
Is there some kind of a doc or a comprehensive guide for builds?
Any particular synergies between weapons and boons?
restive briar
Thanks
sweet brook
Any particular synergies between weapons and boons?
a big thing is if something hits fast but not a lot of damage (fist and rail atk), you want flat damage on it (zeus, ares, dionysus)
anything that hits slow and hard (bow atk) you want a % based modifier on it (aphrodite, artemis, athena, ||demeter||, poseidon)
viscid notch
There are spoilers on that site for what it's worth
restive briar
Yeah the guide says it’s good for people who have cleared the boss a few times
Furthest I’ve been has been Elysium
sweet brook
i mean it'll still work but yeah the spoilers and whatnot
restive briar
So when I get a god, do I stick to it?
sweet brook
do you have a particular weapon or aspect you like using
sweet brook
if you dash strike, it charges faster
restive briar
How does that work?
sweet brook
you can keep practicing on skelly, it kinda becomes a rhythm game
viscid notch
The shot after a dash
sweet brook
dash, hold atk immediately
viscid notch
Counts as a dashstrike no matter how long you hold it
sweet brook
typically want to start aphrodite atk
restive briar
I’m assuming those gods you listed
restive briar
You don’t get an option initially doe
sweet brook
keepsakes
restive briar
What’s that
sweet brook
have you gotten nectar yet
restive briar
The gift thing?
restive briar
Yeah I’ve been passing it around
sweet brook
the things you get back are called "keepsakes"
restive briar
Yes
sweet brook
start with aphrodite's
each god keepsake makes the first boon you see come from them
so starting with aphrodite's keepsake will mean your first boon will be from her
sweet brook
yes
sweet brook
yep
restive briar
I’ll equip her keepsake
sweet brook
ideally want to start with attack, but rng can make the first 3 options not give her attack lol
restive briar
I prioritized giving nectar to all the gods
sweet brook
that's good
those help cut down the rng in this game a bit
next best ones would be eurydice and chiron
restive briar
Those are keepsakes?
viscid notch
Yes
restive briar
Does hades have one
viscid notch
||Yes||
sweet brook
keep playing and find out lmao
restive briar
Yeah
sweet brook
or hit the spoiler lol
restive briar
I don’t think the a hole gave me anything
viscid notch
lmao
restive briar
I don’t remember
viscid notch
Needs more lore to unveil
restive briar
He’s probably my favorite god at this point
viscid notch
You can check in the cabinet which keepsake belongs to who
restive briar
Oh ok
In terms of coins and rooms and other stuff like that
Any particular build?
Or is it just run dependent
I’m no stranger to rogue likes so I have some general concepts down
sweet brook
for bow, once you get aphrodite attack, look for either poseidon, artemis, or athena for one of their dashes
poseidon for general aoe and damage, artemis for more dash strike damage, or athena for safety
or get zeus call to get their duo smoldering air
oh also for bow, completely ignore the special. it's pretty useless
restive briar
Yeah I’ve found that to be the case
Sometimes I can deflect enemy projectiles but that’s about it
sweet brook
or get zeus call to get their duo smoldering air
adding onto this, if you have aphrodite atk and zeus doesn't offer you call, you can take any of his other cores like dash, cast, or special and dionysus call and still open smoldering air
restive briar
What’s smoldering air
sweet brook
small calls > big calls unless it's artemis or aphrodite
sweet brook
What’s smoldering air
aphrodite + zeus duo
makes call generate automatically in 5 seconds
but limits cap to 25% of the bar
restive briar
What
sweet brook
each time you hit the call button you also get iframes, so you can cycle a ton of damage and iframes easily
restive briar
What’s iframe
restive briar
Oh so you’re suggesting to save the call as a defense mechanism?
sweet brook
you can if you want
could also use it offensively ofc
because you dont need to avoid damage if they're dead, yaknow
sweet brook
depends on who you get
zeus and dionysus are considered the best damaging ones
artemis can deal big damage if you charge full call, same with aprhodite
zeus wants other zeus boons like static discharge and double strike (or any other ones tbh they all work well together)
dionysus just wants poms
and to make sure you dont take other hangover sources because hangover overrides itself
restive briar
Is hangover any good?
restive briar
I put it on bow special
sweet brook
but it's generally a pretty slow but safe play style
i mean that'll work
dio special is generally only good on chiron bow
restive briar
Ok it’s getting a lil overwhelming and I feel like I need to go play a little more to have a better understanding
sweet brook
lmao fair enough
restive briar
But for now I’ll focus on the right gods
restive briar
Yeah
sweet brook
just remember the flat damage vs % damage rule and it'll go smoother
and the hangover override so you dont screw yourself over
those are probably like the big rules for making builds
sweet brook
more or less yeah
restive briar
Rule for life
sweet brook
if you think a build is good, you can ask here if it's generally considered good and get feedback
sweet brook
you either get an explanation to why it isn't good, why it'll work, or be pleasantly surprised if you accidentally used a meta build lol
sweet brook
Can you look up history of runs
after a certain work order yes
restive briar
Dammit
Any tips on how I can get to that work order faster?
Spoiler free if possible
sweet brook
no clue lmao
the easiest answer is just play more lol
other than that i'd have to look it up and i dont feel like it lmao
restive briar
Amen brudder
restive briar
the easiest answer is just play more lol
I’ll take a boon from dionysus for that
Cheers
sweet brook
if you have a question of "how do i get ___" in this game, the answer is probably to just do another run
restive briar
True
untold ravine
In-game Guilds
At what point would you need guilds in hades for? I see no other purpose other than a chat lounge and that's basically this discord anyway
untold ravine
ADD A Casino room
Bro you want an rpg in a rogue like, it's not gonna work the concepts are polar opposites
leaden whale
Hello! Very late to the party but I just started playing this and I'm having a blast
I guess I'm kinda curious on what I should be prioritising in runs, I'm like a couple hours in and I feel like I'm still blindly picking rooms and boons aha
bright harness
Bro you want an rpg in a rogue like, it's not gonna work the concepts are polar ...
that dude really said
this is a good game but I think it could be better if it was a different game
somber frigate
that dude really said
this is a good game but I think it could be better if it w...
Hades would be better if it had a battle royale mode where you could do an emote called a “default dance”
leaden whale
Omfg I just looked back at that, what purpose would mounts even have in this game 😭
bright harness
hopefully
leaden whale
But yeah, sorry if my beginner questions are too over-asked
gray haven
I guess I'm kinda curious on what I should be prioritising in runs, I'm like a c...
I would say just try out different things tbh. Get familiar with the different gods and boons and what everything does. Upgrade your mirror and unlock weapons to get stronger. Try to learn how the different enemies behave rather than going in wildly swinging.
untold ravine
Hades would be better if it had a battle royale mode where you could do an emote...
an especially another emote called "the griddy" and they introduce kratos from the god of war series to do that emote specifically
untold ravine
that dude really said
this is a good game but I think it could be better if it w...
fr 💀
leaden whale
Now that I think about it, isnt giving out nectar basically a reputation system
untold ravine
I guess I'm kinda curious on what I should be prioritising in runs, I'm like a c...
I know this doesn't work for everybody but for my first run I used ares shield, the shield is very versatile in helping you learn final bosses attacks
untold ravine
Now that I think about it, isnt giving out nectar basically a reputation system
in a way yes
leaden whale
I know this doesn't work for everybody but for my first run I used ares shield, ...
true, i'm also just keeping my options open - gotten to Hydra with everything except the fists so far, that's as far as i've gotten in terms of progression and unlocks
untold ravine
true, i'm also just keeping my options open - gotten to Hydra with everything ex...
just keep playin, you'll learn to breeze through the first few bosses eventually and will get to the final boss consistently
make sure to get death defiance upgrades on mirror of night, most important for a new player
leaden whale
oh yeah, death defiance is real nice
the one that lets you res once per chamber sounds interesting, though
untold ravine
the one that lets you res once per chamber sounds interesting, though
it might be useful for you now but when you start reaching the end more it sucks because you only have 2 chances as opposed to 4 and maybe 5 if u have tooth equipped
sweet brook
stubborn defiance requires you to be good at boss fights
it's good if you're dying in like every room
leaden whale
oh right, the accessories you get...i haven't even started with those yet
sweet brook
but if you're dying in every room you're probably not good at boss fights either lmao
sweet brook
but if you're dying in every room you're probably not good at boss fights either...
if you're just starting out anyways
untold ravine
oh right, the accessories you get...i haven't even started with those yet
they shape the entire run, get all of them as soon as possible
leaden whale
i think i've just been using shackle so far and swapping it out for a god-specific one when i get to the second area
i can definitely tell builds are gonna be what gets me stuck the most, it's just...a lot to keep track of
untold ravine
i can definitely tell builds are gonna be what gets me stuck the most, it's just...
builds are very easy if u know how to play the fundamentals of the game
leaden whale
i'd believe it
gray haven
My Newbie Build Guide is pinned here if you want a starting point.
leaden whale
My Newbie Build Guide is pinned here if you want a starting point. <:squirtnya:4...
for sure, it's appreciated! i definitely find with stuff in games like this, figuring out /why/ certain things are preferred for a build is a big thing
somber frigate
oh right, the accessories you get...i haven't even started with those yet
Just be a completionist and get every one to 3 stars
leaden whale
valid tbh. I at least apreciate that I don't feel like rushed with this game - it seems like a chill time so far and I'm happy to just learn stuff casually at my own pace
somber frigate
Yeah like at max it’s going to be 5 important boons and everything after that is extra
and that’s probably on the higher end
leaden whale
Yeah like at max it’s going to be 5 important boons and everything after that is...
ah, so there's a lot of like...fluidity (?) like you're not locked into super specific builds?
somber frigate
Well
It’s more like there are a few necessary ones and the rest aren’t crucial
For any given build
But every weapon/aspect has a few different ways you can build it effectively
gray haven
I've beaten the game boonless mirrorless.
untold ravine
How are things in terms of viability?
everything is viable
gray haven
So... pretty much anything is viable.
leaden whale
Awesome, awesome
Thanks for all the clarification btw, I imagine dealing with fresh players can get annoying
gray haven
If I were annoyed by new players, I wouldn't come to the new player channel lol.
leaden whale
good call lmao
restive briar
What’s tooth
restive briar
My Newbie Build Guide is pinned here if you want a starting point. <:squirtnya:4...
Can you explain what each letter means?
Also what do the names on the side signify
untold ravine
What’s tooth
skelly's keepsake
restive briar
I’m actually pretty lost
untold ravine
lets you ressurect an additional time
gray haven
Can you explain what each letter means?
That's the Aspect Leveling Guide, not the Build Guide. 
restive briar
Wait Fr? I held off on giving him a nectar cuz he looked like a scrub
untold ravine
Wait Fr? I held off on giving him a nectar cuz he looked like a scrub
nope, he has one of the best keepsakes
gray haven
Letters are ranking: S, A, B, C, D, E, F.
leaden whale
huh, interesting
gray haven
S being the best, F being the worst.
leaden whale
you can only equip one keepsake at a time, yeah?
leaden whale
Yepyep, I got that one pretty early since it seems useful later on
gray haven
Also what do the names on the side signify
The names are the names of the weapon aspects. You can unlock weapon aspects after you've unlocked all 6 weapons.
leaden whale
completely unrelated, but one thing I noticed super quickly is that Deflect is veeery good
gray haven
The Newbie Build Guide is this, anyway. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2233472883
restive briar
The Newbie Build Guide is this, anyway. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/f...
Oh this explains the pinned image?
gray haven
They're different guides for different purposes.
leaden whale
The pinned image is for Aspects, the steam guide is for boon builds
gray haven
completely unrelated, but one thing I noticed super quickly is that Deflect is v...
Yep, that's one that everybody figures out pretty quickly lol. Helps that she's always the very first god you meet on your very first run in a save.
leaden whale
Oh I had no clue, but it makes sense because the game specifically mentions that
idle plank
Just wondering am I doing something forgetting in Hades? Here is my situation.
at some point I got a flashback/vision about Zeg being || the son of Persephone. I assumed I would be getting more info since then. I have defeated Meg multiple times and have encountered another furry || have unlocked all five weapons, and Have reached the 2/3 area of Tartarus multiple times but I have gotten no additional visions.
untold ravine
Just wondering am I doing something forgetting in Hades? Here is my situation.
...
you have to beat the game multiple times to get the next one
leaden whale
Aren't there 6 weapons?
restive briar
I have cash to spend but no good gods that would go with my bow build
specifically hermes and ares
should I still bother?
untold ravine
dont use ares on bows
restive briar
ok
wb hermes?
or just in general, if I dont have any good gods for a build, should I just save the cash?
untold ravine
hermes is viable on every build because he doesn't influence attack, he influences speed
an extra dash is always helpful
restive briar
Noted
but lets say im going bow and the only two options are ares and zues
should I just skip buying anything?
untold ravine
generally yeah, you want to limit the amount of gods you have in your pool to be able to get duo boons
untold ravine
whats the ideal duo boon for bow?
aphro dio
forgot the name but used it on my chiron and I cleared the run first try
worn shuttle
Is it me or does anyone else keep forgetting to actually use their cast more often
somber frigate
forgot the name but used it on my chiron and I cleared the run first try
Low tolerance
untold ravine
Low tolerance
yeah
somber frigate
Is it me or does anyone else keep forgetting to actually use their cast more oft...
It’s hard to remember until you start using castpect or realise how helpful boiling blood is
somber frigate
yeah
It’s pretty much only useful on chiron or hidden bow out of the 4 bows
Not really general bow
untold ravine
Not really general bow
yeah but the thing chiron is so helpful early on that new players basically never switch so what i said was not completely incorrect
restive briar
so i started with aphrodite's keepsake and cleared the first biome. Should I switch it now?
somber frigate
so i started with aphrodite's keepsake and cleared the first biome. Should I swi...
Yes
untold ravine
yes
somber frigate
It’s only helping you with rarity at that point
somber frigate
Which bow are you using
restive briar
z
somber frigate
artemis, hope for heart rend
Or zeus for zeus call and smouldering air
restive briar
oh that makes sense
sweet brook
start tidal dash, get a good % atk on it that isn't artemis or poseidon
for the special, any % works on it but preferably aphrodite or artemis
once it hits elysium just take anything tho lmao
untold ravine
start tidal dash, get a good % atk on it that isn't artemis or poseidon
I had this run where I got tidal, got aphro on special and athena on attack, got clockets, all before asphodel and then my game crashed in the room right after
somber frigate
hope for rocket bomb > cluster bomb > any attack hammer that lets your attack hit multiple targets > whatever rlse
sweet brook
I had this run where I got tidal, got aphro on special and athena on attack, got...
rip
sweet brook
it is
untold ravine
yeah its range is massive
untold ravine
tmw?
sweet brook
that moment when
untold ravine
oh my bad
worn shuttle
It’s hard to remember until you start using castpect or realise how helpful boil...
Makes me feel about me not using it as much as I could then
untold ravine
dont rly go on 4chan too much
sweet brook
that's not 4chan it's just like, an abbreviation lmao
untold ravine
yeah I was gonna say it looked like mfw but I got confused by the m in the middle
somber frigate
4chan isn’t the only place abbreviations are used 
untold ravine
ik I was just playin
restive briar
is hunter dash good
restive briar
yezh
restive briar
Yessir
somber frigate
Hunter dash is good aspect pending
restive briar
ok cleared the second biome too
should i switch from artemis's keepsake as well?
equip another bow friendly god?
I thkn the answer is yes so im just gonna go ahead and equip poseiden's
gray haven
@restive briar third region, you'd want a defensive keepsake. Ideally Acorn.
Hourglass is also a good option for both healing and damage from Wells of Charon.
restive briar
I will keep that in mind for the next run
gray haven
Keepsake meta is usually: god 1 > god 2 > Hourglass or Acorn > Acorn.
For each region, respectively.
restive briar
gotchu
also, if the only chamber available is a god that doesn't match your build do you take the boon?
gray haven
Not like you have any choice there if that's the only exit.
restive briar
when you enter that chamber, can you just leave it without taking the boon?
gray haven
No.
gray haven
All of the gods have their core boons: Attack, Special, Cast, Dash, and Call. And then they also have a number of support boons that don't go into those 5 slots.
So if they're not important to your build, you'd usually try to take one of their support boons instead.
cobalt bay
A big part of the game is adapting to what you come across. There are builds that have certain set of ideal boons but you shouldn’t expect to necessarily get every one of them. If a decent alternative comes up it may be better to take it instead of fishing for something that may never come
untold ravine
Keepsake meta is usually: god 1 > god 2 > Hourglass or Acorn > Acorn.
i'd say replace acorn with tooth if ur a new player
gray haven
Nah.
untold ravine
keyword new
gray haven
Equipping Lucky Tooth can cost you 1-2 DDs in Elysium while Lucky Tooth didn't even do anything yet. Acorn can preserve those DDs.
untold ravine
Equipping Lucky Tooth can cost you 1-2 DDs in Elysium while Lucky Tooth didn't e...
what?
gray haven
Acorn works before anything else. Lucky Tooth works after all your DDs are already gone.
gray haven
Well, I can tell you from my own experience at least that new players I've coached always did better after switching from using Lucky Tooth to using Acorn.
There's also the fact that Acorn prevents hitstun from 5 hits, which often makes the difference between getting out after tanking one hit or getting comboed.
untold ravine
ok, I'll take your word
gray haven
Lucky Tooth is great for when you enter Elysium with like 0 DDs, for example, and are trying to just hold on until hopefully you see Patroclus or find another way to replenish DDs. Something like that.
idle plank
Aren't there 6 weapons?
Yup I mis counted ^^;
idle plank
you have to beat the game multiple times to get the next one
Ah ok. How many deaths does it take to beat the game?
restive briar
whats DD
faint umbra
it doesn’t matter too much, you’ll get more
faint umbra
at first it’ll be pretty random so just go with what feels best to you
restive briar
how do you get acorn
leaden whale
ok
restive briar
who is that
restive briar
Do i have to get there many times to get that
somber frigate
how long does it take to bewab the game
What do you mean by beat the game? Escape once? Hit the credits?
restive briar
I've beat ||hydra|| twice
leaden whale
ok
somber frigate
Forces a poseidon boon into the next available god chambers until you pick one up
and increases poseidon boon rarity (negligibly)
untold ravine
Ah ok. How many deaths does it take to beat the game?
There's no defined amount, this game isn't linear you keep on trying till you beat it once, and once you beat it once you try to beat it multiple times
somber frigate
Ah ok. How many deaths does it take to beat the game?
||It takes at least 10 if you win every run from the start and define beating the game as hitting the credits||
somber frigate
There's no defined amount, this game isn't linear you keep on trying till you be...
Escaping once isn’t beating the game really
somber frigate
does dashing give immunity frames
Yes except when you dash strike
somber frigate
got any tips for meg
keep your own hp > 0 while bringing their hp to 0
idle plank
There's no defined amount, this game isn't linear you keep on trying till you be...
Ah I think I get it now
leaden whale
i met chaos
restive briar
Chaos is dope
gray haven
I just unlocked aspects what are the best ones for starters?
There's a guide in pins.
leaden whale
I finally beat the bone hydra 💀🐍
restive briar
I thought he was easier than Meg
vast axle
YOOOO I FINALLY BEAT MEG
WWWW
also loving the pfp 🔥 🤙
prime imp
any advice to get lots of titans blood?
restive briar
i keep failing to get away from the jump
shell birch
any advice to get lots of titans blood?
Use heat's and beat game 💀
shell birch
||elysium bosses are really tough||
It's was hardest for me
I'm was about to spoil you
Anyway
Next boss is harder but
When you get there you are talented
So || elysium is hardest for you ||
wooden cipher
any advice to get lots of titans blood?
There isnt much aside from beating the game, trading ambrosia for it in the broker, and hoarding your gold like a dragon to maybe be able to buy it from charon in the final shop
prime imp
how do you get it in the wretched broker
modern briar
how do you get it in the wretched broker
Read what they said
Anyways
I need a cast for achilles
Meme cast runs are also allowed
gilded veldt
Hi everyone
leaden whale
So like, day 2 of playing Hades and I'm starting to get overwhelmed lol. I can just barely get to the boss of Elysium but I still have no clue how builds even works, seems like its mostly down to chance
restive briar
There’s a steam guide pinned here
I follow that and pretty consistently get to Elysian boss
viscid notch
So like, day 2 of playing Hades and I'm starting to get overwhelmed lol. I can j...
You use Olympian God keepsakes at the start to get a boon from the desired god to kickstart your build. You can take another god in Asphodel and use defensive keepsakes for the rest of the run. As for bosses you should except to die a lot to them while you still learn the patterns. You'll eventually become consistent enough at beating them.
leaden whale
You use Olympian God keepsakes at the start to get a boon from the desired god t...
Ah so i should be focusing on 2 gods max? I feel like all my runs have like way more than that because this game never gives me what I want...
Like, I still dont really have any idea what to prioritise outside of getting boons to boost your main damage type, but theres just a lot of choice lol
I think my most successful run so far was shield with the aphoridite strike boon, the damage bonus on that is super nice
But yeah, it seems every time I look up anything regarding what I should be prioritising/the thought process it definitely seems like duo boons always come up
Idk. I still feel as clueless as when I started and it's super demoralising
Probably but as soon as I reach elysium where everything is armored my damage nosedives
viscid notch
It's because enemies there are tankier and harder to kill
You can't just completely optimize a build at this point. It takes time and experience and a lot of knowledge, also you probably don't have the mirror maxed.
leaden whale
I guess I just assumed it was an optimisation is necessary kinda roguelike
leaden whale
Probably, it definitely feels like a lot of enemies are harder to deal with melee
I think this game might be too hard for me generally 💀
leaden whale
WWWW
also loving the pfp 🔥 🤙
thanks
leaden whale
first time i killed meg without defying death
ivory vortex
But overtime she is a breeze
ivory vortex
For newer players I'll recommend divine dash it's more safer
restive briar
yeah meg is now a sight for sore eyes
leaden whale
For newer players I'll recommend divine dash it's more safer
ok
leaden whale
So like, just unlocked aspects - should I spread my titans blood out between them or max one of the zagreus ones
vast axle
You can get more later on in the game
should this be spoilered?
viscid notch
So like, just unlocked aspects - should I spread my titans blood out between the...
It's up to you really, you will eventually get around to maxing all of them, check the guide in the pins to get an idea of how they perform at different levels
vast axle
wait it says "no spoilers" in channel description
🗿?
OHH
it means no spoilers at all.
not no ||spoilers|| required
I'm slow 🤧
leaden whale
Fhjfhjd
The second sister messes me up, tbh
Is her ||rage mechanic|| scripted to max out at a certain point or am I just not paying attention
beat her
first try
leaden whale
Is her ||rage mechanic|| scripted to max out at a certain point or am I just not...
||It maxes out when she enters her last phase (quarter health left)||
easier ngl
sweet brook
||i think if you dont hit her enough she automatically charges her rage? i dont remember||
leaden whale
||It maxes out when she enters her last phase (quarter health left)||
Noted, ty!
what weapons do you guys ussaly use
athenas attacks defelect with flurry on stygian sword is OP
Good question tbh. I personally prefer the faster weapons because they feel nicer imo - the gun is cool, shield is satisfying and seems the best for crushing
Spear and gloves dont feel too good imo but maybe that'll change with aspects
what weapon do you ussally use
sweet brook
fists dont change too much lol
still same old punchy punch with a gimmick for the special
leaden whale
yea
The range is what throws me off tbh
Spear has the same problem but horizontally
yeah
any tips on bone hydra
hearty raft
hmm
leaden whale
ok
leaden whale
Aoe damage is definitely good on hydra imo
hearty raft
i agree
leaden whale
I had the easiest time when I ran lightning strike
im on 9 health
buut i have lucky tooth
i just defied daeth
with lucky tooth
sweet brook
the head slams are pretty telegraphed so you want to look out for that
when it spits projectiles it's also somewhat telegraphed
bright harness
yeah
heroes took me so many attempts first time I beat it my build was just cracked
leaden whale
fields of elysium
bright harness
have fun :)
restive briar
Keep moving
leaden whale
rn hades
ive been playing deadcells for about a year
gets boring
i got hades yesterday
I'm pretty new to roguelikes and I'm usually very bad at them
Low key regretting starting with hades since it seems super complicated
all of the furies have that fire attack
restive briar
I’ve played Isaac, dead cells, enter the gungeon, and hades and I’ve had the most fun with hades
leaden whale
enter the gungeon seems fun
restive briar
I think that’s the hardest one
restive briar
I’ve also played slay the spire, vampire survivors, and monster train
And I think slay the spire is the most complex one
Yeah i found Isaac to be really luck based
leaden whale
yeah
leaden whale
So I need to ask because I'm getting mad but like
How do you deal with the chariot enemies? The tracking on the bigger ones is actually insane
And I'm not sure how you're supposed to kill the small ones with a melee weapon without it blowing up on you
lone vine
For starters I recommend dashing through an obstacle
it'll make them slam against said obstacle, big ones will lose their tracking while the small ones explodes
worn shuttle
Will asterius actually always rematch you in elysium whenever you beat him before duo fight like he says he will?
lone vine
when I just started, I just don't attack the small ones
gray haven
Will asterius actually always rematch you in elysium whenever you beat him befor...
There are two minibosses in Elysium. So when you enter a miniboss chamber in Elysium, it's a 50% chance it's solo Asterius and 50% it's the other miniboss.
worn shuttle
Oh ok
I thought he was being serious when he said he’ll always rematch you when you beat him in the solo fight
gray haven
I mean he means what he says, but you need to actually enter his chamber for the rematch.
worn shuttle
True
gray haven
It's supposed to be difficult. You'll get there.
lone vine
don't worry you'll get there
Hades is my first ever roguelike and at first I thought I'm simply bad at it
and that's true
and what's also true, is that most people are bad at something that they just started
so there's nothing wrong with that
restive briar
Elysium bosses are by far most difficult
And that’s after a whole bunch of upgrades and build optimizations learned in this channel
So we’ll see
I think I just need to play it more patiently
restive briar
Makes me feel a little better
sweet brook
As with every boss
lone vine
It took me around... 25 hours in game until I finally beat the final boss I think
going by rough estimate with my review time, which was made 2 days after
by that I think it took me something like 18-20 to beat Elysium's bosses
so it's fine if you feel like you're being slow
leaden whale
I pretty much always lose my first life on bone hydra because theres so much happening
And then I haven't made it to the third boss...ugh
distant rain
The hydra is absolutely a test of your ability to track a lot of stuff
untold ravine
whats a good ||guan yu|| build
leaden whale
How is the chiron bow? I really like the gimmick it has going on but I'm unsure if it's any better than the standard bow
somber frigate
whats a good ||guan yu|| build
charged skewer hammer with a good % special
somber frigate
How is the chiron bow? I really like the gimmick it has going on but I'm unsure ...
it's fine at what it does but it falls off later compared to zag and hera and hidden
somber frigate
well
you don't have to stop enjoying it
as it only really falls off ||at higher heats||
plucky urchin
it only really falls off cuz of ||tight deadline my opinion, its too slow of a weapon||
somber frigate
have to remember spoilers here 
that's not the only reason it falls off
time isn't the issue
|| jury summons is the bigger issue||
plucky urchin
|| jury summons is the bigger issue||
thats also true
somber frigate
||tight deadline isn't an issue for chiron until you have to deal with all the enemy survivability heats||
hushed cape
You pick up Artemis boon and choose another spear
somber frigate
regardless maybe it's time to move off of stuff we have to spoiler
leaden whale
my bad, i just asked here because like...i'm a new player and i don't wanna be spoiled in other channels lol
i give up
somber frigate
I was enjoying it lol
and now you aren't?
plucky urchin
whats a good ||guan yu|| build
its best that u fully upgrade the aspect before u try and use it, but there are better spear aspects
untold ravine
its best that u fully upgrade the aspect before u try and use it, but there are ...
yeah tried it once and I liked it but it was too expensive to upgrade to the max and im tryna get arthur sword next so im just using normal spear because I never beat 0 heat with it
on the same note whats a good spear build
lone vine
my bad, i just asked here because like...i'm a new player and i don't wanna be s...
It's not as if your run will immediately end if you use said aspect so it's fine Chiron was also my favorite bow aspect when I started
gray haven
How is the chiron bow? I really like the gimmick it has going on but I'm unsure ...
Chiron only falls off in speedruns or in content that only like. 0.01% of players will ever do, so you don't really need to worry about that tbh.
It's a good aspect, very safe, easy to learn.
plucky urchin
on the same note whats a good spear build
do u have achilles?
gray haven
Not great at low levels because your Special doesn't shoot a lot of arrows yet, but gets much better with upgrades.
untold ravine
do u have achilles?
yup but I want to use base spear rn
gray haven
At low levels, you'd go for Drunken Flourish on Chiron. Other options are very weak in comparison. At higher levels, you can do other good builds like crits on Special etc.
plucky urchin
i dont know any zagreus spear builds
lone vine
If you find something fun, you really shouldn't care too much about other people's opinions on it 😄
untold ravine
I forgot what I used last time but it was nice
gray haven
Zag Spear builds are mostly the same as Achilles builds except you wouldn't do Cast builds on Zag Spear.
leaden whale
At low levels, you'd go for Drunken Flourish on Chiron. Other options are very w...
personally felt like hangover was always underwhelming but im totally prepared to be proven wrong
untold ravine
well I never do cast builds on achilles anyway
leaden whale
also feels like i havent seen a dionysus boon in like 10 runs
plucky urchin
u need to get low tolerance and aphro by forcing them using keepsakes
untold ravine
personally felt like hangover was always underwhelming but im totally prepared t...
imo hangover is like the strongest "effect" of any olympian
plucky urchin
and artemis if ure lucky and maybe even curse of nausea
leaden whale
ikr, i have nectar ready but he won't show up 😭
gray haven
If you get Exploding Launcher early on Zag Spear, you can put a good % Special on it and go for Special > Dash-Strike x2 > repeat combos or just spam Special.
leaden whale
(i don't have most of the god keepsakes yet i am slacking)
plucky urchin
also privileged status is very good for hangover chiron
untold ravine
If you get Exploding Launcher early on Zag Spear, you can put a good % Special o...
so what keepsakes to start with in each biome, and what boons to go for
leaden whale
wh...what is privileged status
gray haven
Tidal Dash start, then get Lightning Strike + Static Discharge after that. Poms on Tidal Dash and Static Discharge.
plucky urchin
should i spoiler that
late thistle
after 40 attempts i beat it!
leaden whale
So like when yall are building stuff do you refer to guides/notes...? Or am I expected to memorize all of this
untold ravine
Tidal Dash start, then get Lightning Strike + Static Discharge after that. Poms ...
aight thanks
gray haven
should i spoiler that
Only end boss and anything onward is spoilers here. That includes hidden aspects and ||Lady Demeter||.
plucky urchin
right ok
gray haven
So like when yall are building stuff do you refer to guides/notes...? Or am I ex...
I mean I write the guides, I don't use them.
plucky urchin
So like when yall are building stuff do you refer to guides/notes...? Or am I ex...
sometimes i memorise them
leaden whale
My brain is very small and I feel dumb reading guides when I haven't even beat a run
gray haven
I used to look at boon lists on the wiki pages a lot very early on, though, to get ideas for what to go for.
plucky urchin
i literally used windette’s build video
gray haven
Well, at the very start I didn't look at anything, I just played.
somber frigate
imo hangover is like the strongest "effect" of any olympian
hangover is one of my favourite builds in the game
gray haven
Only vets know all the boon requirements and stuff off the top of their head.
This is new players, sir.
somber frigate
so that I don't make mistakes
lone vine
I basically just go
"oh this boon looks cool"
and roll with it
gray haven
so that I don't make mistakes <:shadegrief:520448187358642194>
But you make mistakes in the other channels, too.
lone vine
personally I think when you are a new player, it's fine to ignore guides if it's too much to take in
gray haven
And in the game.
lone vine
and save them for a revisit later
somber frigate
But you make mistakes in the other channels, too. <:tizomg:456913427588317184>
mistakes that have important ramifications on people's experience with the game
plucky urchin
most important thing very early on is unlocking weapons and upgrading mirror and learning attack patterns from enemies
somber frigate
I apologise
leaden whale
It's funny, when I started yesterday I assumed the god specific keepsakes were weirdly specific and situational
Aaand I died on the elysium boss because of the BS tracking 💀
gray haven
Sounds like your tactics were ineffective.
gray haven
Were you talking about Asterius's bull charge?
plucky urchin
i hate that so much
leaden whale
Were you talking about Asterius's bull charge?
i died to it
Yeah, like I CANNOT shake him off
I know you get him to run into stuff but I was kiting him around a pillar sghdgjd
gray haven
(1) get close to an obstacle (like the wall) and empty-dash away at the last moment, so he'll crash into it trying to turn away; or (2) get between two obstacles (like the pillars) and empty-dash through Asterius at the last moment, so he'll crash into one of them trying to turn around.
Not recommended: dashing through pillars to try to make him crash into one.
If your timing is off trying to dash through a pillar, he'll just go around it and be right behind you again.
If your timing is off with one of the two tactics I recommend, then... he'll still have to turn like 180°, so you have time to get into a good position and try again.
Honorable mention: stop him by punching him with Divine Strike on the Twin Fists.
leaden whale
I did something in his solo fight where I like stopped him and he just goes "Really?"
What's that about
gray haven
Idk.
late thistle
What's the best weapon mid game in your guy's opinions?
gray haven
My aspect leveling guide is pinned here if you want help with that.
late thistle
ok, thanks
leaden whale
I've been looking up aspects and I honestly think I'm liking the ones that change how the weapon plays
Been really enjoying Chiron bow and Achilles spear so far
late thistle
Same here
untold ravine
Tidal Dash start, then get Lightning Strike + Static Discharge after that. Poms ...
im so pissed, I got the exploding launch hammer and this other one that boosted base special damage to 200%, and I had arty special zues attack chowing through everything. I legitimately think it was the strongest build I ever used, not even aphro-dio chiron seemed to be even as remotely good. I was so excited to use it on ||hades but then I was on my tenth clear 😭 ||
gray haven
End boss identity is also spoilers.
It's fine, you'll get even better builds in the future.
untold ravine
It's fine, you'll get even better builds in the future.
I saw the biggest crits in my life, like 1100+ damage
that spear build is insane
im now considering it the best weapon without aspects
leaden whale
May be a dumb question but how do you even dislodge bloodstones from enemies without killing them
leaden whale
Oh I see! So it's like passive damage if you're using casts
Oh, another question
Is it normal to like not be able to beat thanatos in the "who can kill more" things...I've dueled him 3 times now and I haven't been able to match his damage output at all
Lost in a complete landslide all 3 times
gray haven
Is it normal to like not be able to beat thanatos in the "who can kill more" thi...
Pretty normal until you get way stronger builds way more consistently.
restive briar
His voice acting is my favorite
leaden whale
Like, at least the last 2 I've done it's been like
1-2 kills for me, hes been in the double digits
gray haven
It's usually the other way around for me, if he gets any kills at all.
leaden whale
Definitely doing something wrong, then...
Tbh I feel like I'm never doing enough damage past tartarus
plucky urchin
enemy hp scales a lot with each region cuz the game assumes ull have more dmg cuz of more boons and more poms
untold ravine
Theseus is the most npc boss in this game
Bro walks away after throwing his spear 💀
"Rightio, I'll be on my way chap"
Yeah he's a pus c
Oh wait that's not profanity
man what the hell dyno bot
leaden whale
Speaking of BS
got the final boss down to like 25% on my first go and then died
I had SO much damage going out, too...
Apparently not
untold ravine
use divine dash
leaden whale
Ironically I found bone hydra more difficult though, final boss is very telegraphed
I just kept walking into it
And forgetting he hits behind
untold ravine
Ironically I found bone hydra more difficult though, final boss is very telegrap...
ngl bone hydra's the easiest because he doesnt move
leaden whale
But hey, I'm feeling a little better now that I got to the final (?) boss in about 20 runs
Yeah but he spawns so much stuff my toaster pc starts lagging
untold ravine
But hey, I'm feeling a little better now that I got to the final (?) boss in abo...
thats good, I beat him somewhere between my 20th and 30th run so you have plenty of time
leaden whale
thats good, I beat him somewhere between my 20th and 30th run so you have plenty...
Fair, I'm not very good at these games anyways so I'd be shocked if I beat it soon
You say that but the entire arena has hazards around and on it
untold ravine
Fair, I'm not very good at these games anyways so I'd be shocked if I beat it so...
yeah roguelikes take a lot of experience
I come from a doom eternal background so I love masochist games
depends on the ||version of the hydra||
untold ravine
no just like the colors
leaden whale
Oh its not the boss attacks I'm getting smacked by
It's the other heads
My problem is I apparently work from the middle out so I'm just getting hit by everything from both sides
untold ravine
dont stay in one place destroying each head, deal damage moving across the map and back
untold ravine
My problem is I apparently work from the middle out so I'm just getting hit by e...
just move to the side 💀
leaden whale
just move to the side 💀
Yeah I know that now lmao
leaden whale
I just didn't wanna stand between the heads, feels like a bad idea
gray haven
Just kill the heads in 1-2 shots each.
leaden whale
Damn I wish I had that much damage going out
In that run where I got to the end I legitimately didn't feel like my damage was okay until I left elysium
untold ravine
Damn I wish I had that much damage going out
you'll get there
anyone have any fun aspects? im thinking my next runs will be ||arthur|| or chaos
leaden whale
But its probably because I eventually had lightning strike + jolted + support fire + marked
gray haven
Hidden aspects are spoilers here.
leaden whale
And right before the final boss I got smoldering air (?)
gray haven
Smoldering Air is amazing.
leaden whale
It is?
gray haven
Yes.
leaden whale
I guess it's just so you can spam level 1 calls
untold ravine
Hidden aspects are spoilers here.
mb, could u help me with my question
gray haven
Greater Calls are only really used for Artemis' Aid and sometimes Aphrodite's Aid anyway.
Idk I think all aspects can be fun.
gray haven
Yep.
untold ravine
Idk I think all aspects can be fun.
from a relatively new player perspective
I just beat the main storyline
gray haven
You also get i-frames on any Call acitvation, so using lesser calls means more i-frames.
leaden whale
Oh! Okay I see the appeal now
gray haven
from a relatively new player perspective
Follow your heart!
viscid notch
It’s also just straight up more damage on most calls
untold ravine
😡
leaden whale
I can only play hades for short bursts because it stresses me out lol
viscid notch
If you use a greater zeus call chances are you’re gonna miss over half the lightning bolts
gray haven
Runs are pretty short, so that works out perfectly lol.
leaden whale
If you use a greater zeus call chances are you’re gonna miss over half the light...
Oh huh, I was using Zeus calls in my last run and I guess the dopamine from the cinematic made me ignore the damage
leaden whale
😡
Real talk fun is completely subjective so "do what you want" is probably the best suggestion
gray haven
Zeus' Aid, you'd want a couple poms on unless it's at least epic.
Although epic Zeus' Aid still benefits a lot from poms.
leaden whale
Yeah, I just grabbed it because I was like...a call is probably better than no call
untold ravine
Real talk fun is completely subjective so "do what you want" is probably the bes...
true, just wanted a defined answer
leaden whale
And I was doing mostly a Zeus run anyways, so
gray haven
@untold ravine hidden sword, Heartbreak Strike, Zeus' Aid, Smoldering Air.
viscid notch
Zeus Dio Athena probably the best calls in the game
And you’ll always be using their lesser calls
untold ravine
<@617783649332625428> hidden sword, Heartbreak Strike, Zeus' Aid, Smoldering Air...
yeah I was thinking hidden sword but is it good with t1?
leaden whale
I really wanna try a hangover run sometime, see if I can make it work as a new player
Finally got dios keepsake too so that should help
untold ravine
I really wanna try a hangover run sometime, see if I can make it work as a new p...
since u got to ||hades||, use chiron bow
destroys with hangover
leaden whale
After literally 12 runs he showed up 😭
gray haven
yeah I was thinking hidden sword but is it good with t1?
hidden sword: A→S
hidden spear: F→A
hidden shield: S→SS
hidden bow: S→S
hidden fists: C→C
hidden rail: A→S
That's my addendum to the pinned guide, for hidden aspects.
viscid notch
since u got to ||hades||, use chiron bow
Spoiler boss name
untold ravine
hidden sword: A→S
hidden spear: F→A
hidden shield: S→SS
hidden bow: S→S
hidden f...
are the first letters t1 and the second t5
gray haven
Lv.1 and Lv.5, yes.
leaden whale
Huh, so are fists just generally kinda bad?
untold ravine
wait so hidden bow never improves?
viscid notch
Huh, so are fists just generally kinda bad?
No, they’re pretty solid and somewhat straightforward to play. But due to their range and also being a melee weapon they are overall pretty risky.
leaden whale
I can see that, the range is agonising
gray haven
They lose in DPS to safer weapons.