h1-story-discussion

[languid temple]

i need this for reasons

[atomic forge]

i couldnt find any instance of calling zag by name

always refers to him as “short one”

[languid temple]

excellent i can use this

he do be kinda short doe

[zinc belfry]

In Zag's defense, Asterius is taller than most characters in the game.

In fact, Zag even points out that he is about the same height as Theseus, yet Asterius never calls him "short one"

[languid temple]

theseus stands on the chariot just to feel tall

[sage stag]

just got the real ending and damn its wholesome

[zinc belfry]

I laughed at this more than I should have, but to my credit, it's probably true

[devout slate]

Are you also in the Theseus hate club

because I am

The guy is annoying

[fallen gale]

||unlock at least 5 other aspects, and fight Hades at least once (outcome is irrelevant) does this need to be done with the spear, or any weapon?||

[hard rose]

Don't think weapon matters

[devout slate]

any weapon works

[fallen gale]

thank you

dash build, here I come!

[zinc belfry]

I hate him, but he's also funny, so I just laugh at his face

Especially when in his phase 2 of EM3. This man is the literal embodiment of drama

[devout slate]

He's the guy ppl laugh at, instead of laugh with

He is

a douchebag

I cannot take that guy seriously

[zinc belfry]

I doubt anyone takes him seriously lol

[hard rose]

Even Achilles laughs at him

[upper oak]

who isnt tbh

[ashen oyster]

Theseus kind of just reminds me of a wrestling heel

I don hate him too much but he's really annoying when he blocks everything

[languid temple]

asterius

[tropic sparrow]

how do i put pictures in this server

?

[flat nebula]

You have to upload them somewhere and link them here

another discord server, imgur etc

[tropic sparrow]

whenever i press the plus is says use slash command

[flat nebula]

Yea because you cant directly send from there since attachments are disabled, if you’re on pc right click the pic then choose copy link, if you’re on phone just press and hold then choose the same thing

And paste the link here, Discord will embed it

[tropic sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/826225808409624630/929140251266527283/Hades_1_7_2022_6_49_49_PM.png

[flat nebula]

woops

Muted

[lament epoch]

Bot 😔

[hard rose]

If you're asking how you get in there, the answer is win more runs
Specifically you get access ||after the 8th win||

[high relic]

dam just found out hades is pretty accurate to greek mythology

[zinc belfry]

They try to be! Compared to most pop culture depictions of Greek mythology, Hades is pretty close! Of course, "Greek mythology" in of itself is hard to collectively describe. For one thing, Greece as we know it today was not what it was back then: Athens and Sparta for instance are what we would consider today to be city-states. In other words, the whole archipelago consisted of a wide variety of cultures and governments, which leads to a wide variety of religions. There isn't really a central "church," so to speak. Sure, there were a lot of similarities as a whole, but there were so many regional differences as well (and that applies to modern religions too).

It's why I personally as an anthropology and mythology nerd get annoyed when people say pop culture depictions of mythology and religion are not accurate: of course not!!! Accuracy doesn't matter in the context of these stories: that's what retellings are! And so many retellings have proven to be extremely popular: some good examples in terms of Greek mythology include the musical Hadestown and Madeline Miller's The Song of Achilles and Circe. Just because something is inaccurate to its original source material, doesn't discredit its originality: a lot of literature, and I can and will include fanfiction, is amazing even though it deviates a lot from the original source.

Anywho, I rambled, but overall, I do agree with the original statement: I just wanted to talk about something that I care about, hehehe

[hard rose]

good post

[open berry]

basically the concept of "accuracy" in mythology only matters within the context of who you are trying to be accurate to, as they were numerous poets, writers, etc that contributed to the works that we see as mythology today, as we take all sorts of things from the likes of ovid, aeschylus, homer, the list goes on. so like. accuracy as a singular set of overarching adaptations or whatever doesn't exist

thats why mythos has survived so long as a popular topic though, and why things such as hades can exist

[frail hull]

I realized something. Zagreus could have saved a ton of runs if you wrote a letter to persephone containing his questions and delivered it, since she could read and reply to them long after Zagreus is taken back by the styx.

[ashen oyster]

Yea Hades is also a lot more wholesome than Greek myth but maybe that can be explained by they treating their fellow immortal god rather than mortals 🧐

I guess we kinda see it since in Codex, Achilles criticizes them whilst they nothing but helpful to Zag

[languid temple]

achilles has some reasons for beef to be fair

[zinc belfry]

Not to mention that there is not much known about Zagreus in Greek mythology, at least from what we know: it is most likely that how Zagreus was seen among Ancient Greeks has been lost to time. That said, it is fortunate for the writers of Hades, as they can shape Zagreus into a more fleshed out character without being constricted by any possibly known mythos (which is actually why Zag was chosen to be the protagonist instead of Theseus, who was chosen when the game was to be called Minos).

On that note, I still find it absolutely funny that we still have no idea if Homer existed or not.

[languid temple]

smh we coulda had an asterius romance all this time....

[zinc belfry]

God, what I would give to at least give him nectar and ambrosia

[languid temple]

mood

moo-d, if you will

[hexed plover]

I have enjoyed reading this information from people who know way more about history than me

[languid temple]

writing fic about him today in order to appease the desire to give him Stuff

side note, hadestown as an adaption is

[upper oak]

i L O V E hadestown oh my god i got to see it a bit ago and im@still flooored

orpheus in hades heavily reminds me of hadestown orpheus, especially damons version

[ashen oyster]

A lot of mortals and demigods have reason for beef 💀

Hades hasn't screwed too many people over in that regards

[barren bolt]

i remembered why I hate Theseus so much
i mean, even more

in mythology he and his pal tried to kidnap Persephone

wish I could permanently kill that man 😔

[zinc belfry]

Bruuuuuuuh, we just purchased tickets for the tour: I am so hyped.

[languid temple]

and then theres asterius, whose reason for beef is that he is beef

i think dionysus generally gets rights, because most of his interactions with mortals that i can remember were 'here i invented a dildo for you' and 'whats up ariadne—bro he did what???? come crash at my place for a while. maybe forever' and 'hell yes lets kill that guy who sucked, its run wild in the woods eating people time, lets go lesbians'

[barren bolt]

dio is an icon

[wise rapids]

I played through most of the game thinking that Zag and Than's dynamic was that they were brothers repairing their relationship. Then AFTER a certain point I felt like one of those historians that would be like, "Achilles was just REALLY good friends with Patroclus" and felt like a fool

[barren bolt]

pfffffffff

[barren bolt]

historian: look, in the than and zag bedroom scene it cuts to black, so OBVIOUSLY they were just laughing while playing uno

[wise rapids]

The game board is there FOR A REASON

Than was showing him the proper form to lift weights

[barren bolt]

of course

[languid temple]

funniest part is the idea that than lifts

mans oan the protein

[hard rose]

He probably can telekinetically lift

[sullen ridge]

How did you guys feel about side stories compared to main story in Hades?
Which side story was most interesting to you?
Which ones did you skip dialogues for, if any?

[ashen oyster]

I like the side stories with all the characters

They make Hades diff from other roguelikes

[zenith wedge]

I think i skipped most of dusa

[ashen oyster]

cos like things change as you do your runs rather than resetting to the beginning

[ashen oyster]

It was more his pal's idea though

Theseus did screw over Ariadne though for no good reason

[languid temple]

i dont wanna keep talking to orpheus

hes so whiny

sad little man

[barren bolt]

true, he kidnapped helen though

[sullen ridge]

I can see that 🙂

[ashen oyster]

Well he's pretty sad he screwed up

[barren bolt]

i like most of them, but also I agree w Percy

[ashen oyster]

Well being so close and all makes him for into depression

[languid temple]

i feel like at least one of the writers Really wanted to get back with their ex ngl

[barren bolt]

once you complete the quest though he gets a lot better

[ashen oyster]

Well it's not even they exes in mythos though

[languid temple]

see: zag+meg, hades+persephone, orpheus+euridice, achilles+patroclus

theres a Common Theme

[ashen oyster]

And his portrayal is to show how orpheus gets better

[barren bolt]

romancing than + the Achilles and pat quests are my favorite

[ashen oyster]

Hmmmm interesting 👀

[barren bolt]

aside from zag and meg, those all have myth precedents (except maybe the separation of Achilles and pat)

[ashen oyster]

Having Eurydice blame Orpheus for her predictament is a unique take to it.

[barren bolt]

can you tell I don’t remember how to spell Patroclus?

[ashen oyster]

Since well the only chance she had of coming back to life was Orpheus in the first place

[barren bolt]

true, I love Eurydice though

[ashen oyster]

Yea shes great

upgrade my boons

[barren bolt]

and her singing >>>

in the blood is definitely gonna be on my 2022 Spotify wrapped

[ashen oyster]

[open berry]

this is a weird take bc barring zag and meg these are all literally relationships pulled from mythos with a modern adaptation. there's nothing wrong with reimagining what were turbulent relations as something with a kinder message and emphasis on repairing misunderstandings

boiling that down to "someone really wanted to get back with their ex" is incredibly weird imo

[languid temple]

oh its a theme i really like, to be clear; i think its well written in how the motifs of repairing relationships and mistakes reinforce each other between all the stories. i dont necessarily literally believe that there's An Ex out there, but i am pretty certain that those stories were chosen on purpose from range of the mythos for a reason, if that makes sense?

[barren bolt]

definitely debatable, orpheus and eurydice is one of the most popular/well known underworld myths, as is hades and persephone. i think they were chosen because the main theme of the game seems to be (I haven’t gotten to the epilogue yet) repairing broken relationships, whether platonic, familial, or romantic

[ashen oyster]

Anyone else gettiing poly vibes out of Nyx, Hades and Persephone

Aww pretty heartwarming how Hades tells Than not to overexert himself

[hard rose]

h e l l o

where else does Zag get his poly bi genes from

[zinc belfry]

I hate how my first thought was "YOU HAVE UNO IT COMES FREE ON YOUR XBOX"

[barren bolt]

definitely something than would say to zag

[zinc belfry]

Pffft, you're right

[ashen oyster]

Hmmm good point

Nyx casually raising Persephone's son... they must be good roommates 😔

[hard rose]

lksajf;ds Persephone literally teases her about it in one of their convos

esp considering the contrast with Nyx's relatively hands-off method with all her other kids

wish the game included more of Nyx's kids, would love to see Hemera (incarnate of day, basically she and Nyx swap shifts to stay in tartarus and outside)

[zinc belfry]

and they were roommates

[hard rose]

@ashen oyster ne? you never saw that line?

I shall rectify that

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867888481324761108/929563833515786240/unknown.png

(left -> right, top -> down)

[languid temple]

gasp! a nectar in the lounge.... good friends indeed.

[barren bolt]

true besties

[languid temple]

gal pals, if you will

[zinc belfry]

Historians refer to them as "best friends"

(Ironically enough, there is also the historical term of "romantic friendships")

[frozen spruce]

if I ease off thanatos, I'll still be able to get his chibi art for his keepsake right?

[zenith wedge]

Yup

[mint kestrel]

I hope it’s not just me, but Theseus’s laugh when he’s riding the chariot is just outright a little insane.

[languid temple]

oh mans mad

or hes kayfabe-ing a little too hard and needs more acting classes

[dawn sparrow]

Nope definitely not just you.

[atomic forge]

is hell mode just there for ppl who wanna create a new save but dont want it to be too ez?

[hard rose]

Also if you want to do high heat (like 40 and above) and want the alternate pact option

[static rose]

Which does kind of mark you out as a bit of a masochist tbh.

[flat nebula]

If you practice enough it’s not that bad

[atomic forge]

just noticeced that demeter has dialogue when her legendary executes hades

[hard rose]

She has lines for the previous bosses too

[snow apex]

I heard that you can romance a few characters, which are they?

[atomic forge]

meg, than, dusa

some stories interfere with one another so dont halt all your relationships to focus one person in case theres a pending story that needs to be finished first

when do weapons become bloodthirsty

[hard rose]

just realized the numbers on Chaos' boon list changes as you scroll

[sage plinth]

wdym?

[left dragon]

How does Hades make all the money he has

Since it seems that Charon hoards all of the wealth from the people crossing the river

[tribal hill]

He is originally the god of wealth

So he just "makes" more money

[left dragon]

Plutus is the god of wealth?

[tribal hill]

Well

Yes

And no

[left dragon]

Ah yes

Good old greek mythology

[tribal hill]

That is the Roman version

Yeah

Where incest is the main plot device

[left dragon]

Plutus seems to be the brother of Persephone

So if Hades is Plutus

Uh oh

[tribal hill]

Well the Earth is his by birth right so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Him also being the god of wealth isn't that far fetched

[left dragon]

Also I was really surprised about the real Lore behind Dusa being a floating head

[tribal hill]

Lol

Yeah

[left dragon]

I thought they just did it for the sake of it

But no

Also Dusa is a maid

Maid Dusa

Hehe

[azure scroll]

guys can we pummel charon? coz he whooped my ass

[tribal hill]

yes

It is just that he has secret boss plot armor

And just hits like a freight train

[azure scroll]

ohh ok thanks

[zinc belfry]

So other than Pluto being Roman, Charon's money obsession in the game is a direct reference to Ancient Greek burial rights: when a person is buried, a coin is put in their mouth because they will need it to use as payment for Charon to carry them across the river Styx into the Underworld!

[tribal hill]

Yes

Look at Skelly's game art

There is a coin on his tongue

[zinc belfry]

WAIT, THERE'S A COIN ON HIS TONGUE?!

Wow, I didn't even notice

That's such a good detail

Supergiant strikes again

[civic barn]

right after you beat hades and logan is doing his monologue the skulls there also have obol on their tongues

[zinc belfry]

Oh my god that's so cool

[hard rose]

I saw someone put it like, Hades' currency is gems, Charon's is obols

[zinc belfry]

Someone on Twitter made a tweet asking what the exchange rate is between gems and obols and it's been bothering me ever since lol

[hard rose]

well Charon sells some gems for 75 obols base price, forgot the amount though

[haughty thorn]

I actually really like the economic side of the Hades plot.

Hades makes money because he owns more real estate than any other God, including all minerals and gems.

This is where his connection to Demeter comes in. What does she own and how does it intersect with Hades?

These gods have property rights after all

But at the same time we do know there is intersection

The rivers of the underworld are a grey area

It would make sense that Demeter owns the living soil, I believe.

The topsoil and what is immediately below it

The crops that grow from it too

That is her wealth, humans just have to extract it. Regardless in this system, with regular offerings of produce and goods, Hades is the end source of all wealth in the end.

This also has to do with burial practices. Being buried in urns with some worldly possessions like gems and gold.

These things return to Hades in death even if they are extracted.

And Zagreus helps in the game. He finds all the assorted pockets of wealth lying around the underworld and centralizes it under Charon and Hades.

What does Charon gain from Zagreus? Someone to pick up missing obols. Charon only really wants to hoard.

Zagreus rarely gets any permanent gain from spending obols. Sometimes Darkness or Gems, sometimes Ambrosia/Diamond/Blood

It all returns to Charon.

[left dragon]

that's so cool! This game has so much attention to detail and respects the source material very well, but also knows when to change something or modernize it. I'm sad I didn't play it sooner!

[zinc belfry]

Hades does a good job at this, and honestly, I find that the best retelling of myths are not necessarily the most accurate ones, but ones that revitalize interest in said myths by modernizing. (Disney's Hercules is a good example: very inaccurate portrayal of mythos, but has some of the most iconic characters and songs in all of Disney)

[left dragon]

True

[tribal hill]

So like lore Olympus and it's modern retelling of the story?

[left dragon]

But I dislike how they made Hades into a villain

In Hercules

[tribal hill]

Ye

That was kinda low

Even for Hollywood

He is probably the best God according to today's standards

[left dragon]

Yeah lol

[atomic forge]

75 obol for 20 gems, affected by CF and Darker Thirst

[left dragon]

Especially when compared to Zeus

[tribal hill]

I don't think the Greek pantheon has a family tree

[left dragon]

It's probably better that way lmao

[tribal hill]

ಠ_ಠ

[hard rose]

@zinc belfry there ya go

but also Charon is most likely skewing it to his favor

[zinc belfry]

of course Charon is skewing it in his favor

Love our funky smoky skeleton sailor boi

[zinc belfry]

I'm honestly not surprised: it's been an age old tradition to turn Hades into a villain, even before Hollywood. iirc, during the Christianization of the Roman Empire, they sort of equated Hades and the Underworld to the Devil and Hell, which, if you think about it, is not too far off: both are feared, albeit in different ways. Even back then, saying "Hades" out loud is something to be avoided.

[barren bolt]

unfortunately the original greek pantheon family tree is a bit of a straight line

which is why i'm very glad most modernizations (hades, lore olympus, etc) have been changing it

[left dragon]

But that was more out of a respectful fear

If anything the villain in greek mythology was usually Ares

[open berry]

popular media says when you need a quick villain for your greek myth inspired media, look to hades or ares because OBVIOUSLY they're bad awful villains. which. no. not even. besides the fact trying to separate "good" gods from "bad" gods is not remotely the point in mythos bc that concept doesn't exist. all gods did things that were good and bad. but anyway hades not falling into that was good

[left dragon]

Except for sparta

[open berry]

ares was not a villain in mythology

lmao

[left dragon]

Well the Greeks definitely didn't like him very much

Except for Sparta

[open berry]

Athens didn't like him but he was not a villain

he was often made out to be weak and essentially a joke, barely scratch him and he takes off running to zeus

that's not villain behaviour

[left dragon]

That's because there wasn't really a villain in greek mythology

[open berry]

he's also villainized for being war, because no one likes war.

[left dragon]

There were villains in certain myths but there wasn't a bad guy for the whole pantheon

[open berry]

i don't want to stray too deep into mythology talk because that goes in #off-topic-discussion supergiant understood that there was no strict black or white to gods and i appreciated that a lot

[left dragon]

I agree

[open berry]

hopefully as popular as the game got, it inspires future mythos content to flesh out their interpretations of gods more beyond the same tired tropes

[haughty thorn]

All gods are basically monsters tbh

Like that's part of the game. Except its allegory for family reunions and holidays and having a family at all being horrible sometimes

You have a bunch of uncles who are unable to self reflect really

One who is cool but in a creepy way (Ares)

Like he collects knives

Lizards

Well Ares is a cousin but an older one

[hard rose]

Ares is your cousin

[haughty thorn]

Yeah

Same deal though. A weird relative you dont really know.

Even Artemis has outbursts

In terms of gods, relatively minor ones like Zagreus are the few that are morally aligned to humans really

Especially his Promethean role

Underworld gods in general dont bother humans too

[ashen oyster]

Well Ares was certainly not much liked

And I don remember him doing much good at all for people

[open berry]

ares was literally not a villain in mythology

you should research

[ashen oyster]

Hes depicted as cowardly and nobody really likes him in the Illiad

pretty much as villainous as it got

Zeus even says he hates him

Unless by villain you mean as overarching antagonist

But as far as negative human traits go, Ares pretty much the worst

[ashen oyster]

Apollo, Hades or Demeter get my vote for starting least amount of petty conflicts

Or Hephaestus too

Honestly Artemis was responsible for quite a bit of bad things

[upper oak]

i’d say apollo caused some conflict

[atomic forge]

i with thanathos summon was named antony

[zenith wedge]

anthony is the name of the giant rat in styx

(joke from the speedrun server)

[vivid wraith]

Tony is tiny vermin's name

[zinc belfry]

Tiny Tony

[fickle comet]

Lady Aphrodite never did anything bad.

[tribal hill]

need I mention psyche

[fickle comet]

What about her?

[tribal hill]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=HLo1jZA1iVw&feature=share

[fickle comet]

I know her story, yes. So what about her?

[tribal hill]

She is probably the only person that Aphrodite has "directly" done something bad to

[fickle comet]

She did nothing bad to her.

'Twas well deserved.

[stable spruce]

Sorry to interupt but mmmm OSP is great

[tribal hill]

Yes

[barren bolt]

osp is comfort content creator

[atomic forge]

How the hell do I max out my affinity with Zeus?

[languid temple]

can i go absolutely bonkers yonkers about the evolution of the minotaur myth for a moment please

because i was trying to write fic about asterius and i got lost on the minotaur mythology wikipedia page and i went down a rabbit hole and now i have worms in my brain about this

so this is a simplification of the extremely complicated and uncertain status of pre-written myth But here we go

extremely early crete has a bull god of light which is associated with a concentric circle pattern ie the sun, it is suggested that a priest wearing a bull mask or horns is involved in ceremonies, giving rise to, at some point, the image of a bull-man combo, sometimes centaur-shape and sometimes bull-head-man-body as associated with religion and power on crete;

when mainland(?) greek religion/pantheon with its pre-existing sun gods arrives on crete the bull god is syncretised as specifically a god of stars and possibly given the name asterion (aster -> astra) but also linked to the mythologised king minos;

the concentric circle pattern is combined with radiating lines (starburst-ish) and stylised to form a pattern similar to the labyrinth idea, also linked to the idea of the endless dancing-halls of ariadne; geological activity increases in minoan crete and social interest in the underworld increases in turn; the bull-man image is associated specifically with the role of the priest who performs sacrifices;

minoan crete becomes ascendant and extremely wealthy in the peninsula and demands tribute from athens, including ritualised hostage-taking; we don't know if human sacrifice was ever involved;

crete cannibalises its surroundings until they are exhausted and athens becomes ascendant, which means it tells the stories about crete; the story it tells features athenian youth being eaten alive by the bull-man who is defeated at last by a brave athenian who pushes athens to glory;

the god of light is pushed underground; the cannibal state is narrowed to a cannibal god who becomes a cannibal monster;

thousands of years later, the carbide headlamp is invented for caving and mining, which throws up a crescent of fire on the forehead, sort of like horns

[barren bolt]

that’s so cool

[haughty thorn]

There is a Heavenly Bull in the Epic of Gilgamesh too

I have my own like anthropological theory about Cretan bull sacrifice. So they did it in their past, but moved onto smashing ceramic representations of bulls

It's a shift in understanding of material surroundings and wealth that occurs with urbanization.

Specifically the production of a central economic organ

The minotaur myth is interesting because it's obviously the result of many story telling mutations

To the point where it theorized a mutant monster of sorts

[zinc belfry]

zooms in
We talking about mythology

[haughty thorn]

Like I know Theseus stories are often about claiming territory for urbanization, and fighting off competing mobs/state leaders

So what does the minotaur represent in that sense

What real life enemy mutated into the Minotaur?

[zinc belfry]

God, one of my favorite things about mythology is that it's a great case study of cultural exchange in real time. It's a large game of messed up telephone, and it's amazing because different stories change are shaped to fit in the culture. It's why there is not really anything that is tied to a specific culture unless that culture is completely isolated. Not to mention how even then, there seems to be a lot of common archetypes in myths and stories around the world. My personal favorite is the constant presence of a trickster character.

[hard rose]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867888481324761108/931386439235698708/unknown.jpeg

[zinc belfry]

Tag yourself, I am coyote

[languid temple]

...persephone just said she 'always fancied thanatos'?????

girl????? you are married?????? you cannot tell your son you fancy his boyfriend!!!!

[atomic forge]

yo so i got a question, so im trying to romance mag. and i gave her the 6 necters, and she did come to my room but i accidently skipped all the dialogue, is that the favor thing, cuz idk what the favor is

[languid temple]

There are a couple times she goes to Zagreus's room, the second time will be the favour

way less expensive than other folks' favours dusa wants fifteen thousand gems but meg is like lemme chill here and then u can give me ambrosia

[zenith wedge]

@languid temple funny you said that as the convo happened before lol

[languid temple]

yeah i think its supposed to mean that but i agree with hagbard that i cant read it as anything other than.... fancying

[barren bolt]

i think it’s one of those cases like with the word queer today, where we see it and are like “WHAT? HISTORIANS CMERE” but they just meant weird (unfortunately, otherwise we’d have a lot more queer rep)

[ashen oyster]

Uhhh Pasiphae

Hippolytus as well

Though Aphrodite also has probably the most wholesome story with Galatea

[ashen oyster]

Which one are you thinking of? I remember he was chasing after a Nymph causing her to become a tree but that was mostly Eros's fault.

[ashen oyster]

Sharing is caring

[tribal hill]

Daphne?

[open berry]

context also matters and considering the context reading it as romantic fancying simply does not make any sense for all the reasons everyone is incredulous at it

[ashen oyster]

Yep thas her

[south kernel]

im in the like, 4th clear now, but there is a reason persephone cant... you know, get closer to the gates so zagreus can last more than a few minutes outside? i suppose is done like that to make the several runs i suppose is going to take makes sense

[atomic forge]

thats where she lives

cant rly spend all her time at the gates of underworld when she dont know when zag coming

[rugged bough]

the timeline is intentionally vague - it could be persephone sees zag every twenty years or every half hour

we don't know

thousand year winters aren't a new thing in old-school mythology stories

[south kernel]

well true, we dont really know how much each revive cycle takes, it could be instant or take weeks or yeahs tbh

[rugged bough]

there's a few postgame screens where the narrator outright says he dies of old age

this time

so maybe he sees his dad every twenty years too

[south kernel]

how many clears i need to do to see the whole story?

[rugged bough]

10 for credits, then like

however many it takes to get epilogue

probably like 30-40 to get most of the prophecies done

[hard rose]

I think those are when he hits his timer death before some other incident gets him, there's even an ending that says he managed to get some stuff done at the cottage

And judging by Persephone's post epilogue schedule, it's like ~6 runs = half a year

[rugged bough]

this makes sense

[frozen bay]

Also, they mention a war. Specially Ares and Than. Greeks at that time were at war for numerous reasons

[rugged bough]

there were a lot of wars - any speculation as to which one? @frozen bay

i guess it's like once the story ends and it's the status quo zag's escapes are the months

could be a cool way to headcanon it

[frozen bay]

I mean, considering that Achilles is there, maybe sometime after the Trojan War?

I'm horrible with history lol. Always focused on the myths instead of the facts

[rugged bough]

nah thats fair

you gave off vibes of knowing stuff so worth asking

[frozen bay]

😅.

[rugged bough]

the next war after the trojan chronologically is the Dorian invasion

[frozen bay]

Oh, ok. Going to research that

[rugged bough]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorian_invasion

TLDR: not sure if it was people or just a cultural shift

its real weird

lemme finish the article first

[frozen bay]

Ok

[rugged bough]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIEMleycC-s

too many words, watching it instead

[frozen bay]

Lol thanks! My nerd lore spirit is fulfilled

[rugged bough]

i normally dont go this deep into random rabbit holes, but when i do im always glad i did

[frozen bay]

😅 same

One thing that got at first sight was Meg

The connection with the Disney animation just ringed

Of course that those are different "Megs" , but it explains a LOT the connection with Hades (the god)

[rugged bough]

Haha Meg dresses up as a normie to help hades

Disney hades is a cartoon bad guy but still, love that movie lol

Def took a while to adjust to the game’s canon that while hades is a bit prickly and cold he isn’t a villain

At least in the traditional sense

[frozen bay]

Oh, those gifs of him totally angry 🤣

[frozen bay]

Yes!!!!! I mean, of course that at some point he's a bad guy bc his decisions aren't all "oh OK, I'm a good god, so I'll just bless you"

[rugged bough]

also him trying to kill you

that's a thing that happens

[frozen bay]

Yeah

But still, he has some depth. Specially with Persephone

[haughty thorn]

Yeah the Dorian invasion is a weirdly conceived of theory. Same with the Sea People

Sea People were probably unpaid mercenaries probably

Soldiers

But domestic ones

Attacking because they werent being paid for their work

Maybe more like pirates. But like hired pirates.

Instead of placing blame on some imagined other party, it places blame on the nation-state/city-state/whatever else and their economic issues.

In that sense, it is a more solid theory. It doesnt just theorize an invasion that happened.

I think lots of historians would also critique the idea of an invasion. Usually these are more grounded attacks, rather than senseless attacks.

So these were still invasions, but it's their own undoing.

[static rose]

Is this about the bronze age collapse?

[ashen oyster]

Maybe the Peloponesion war?

Athens and Sparta were fighting

It is long after Troy though

[atomic forge]

Does cerberus have a reason to only like one of his heads getting pet?

[worn flower]

dogs have personal preferences basically

[atomic forge]

Ok

Ik

[young spindle]

What is in the satyr sack that Cerberus likes?

[zinc belfry]

Satyrs? I have no idea.

[frozen jolt]

vermin

[atomic forge]

https://imgur.com/v20Omxz 5 minutes after i saw you ask that this showed up

[young spindle]

Interesting. Okay

[static rose]

Well, bits of vermin at least.

[rugged bough]

yeah, it's real odd - like, we can't even tell definitievely if they were real people

[fickle comet]

Well, they weren't fake people if they were at all.

[frozen bay]

Hey, today I was completing duo boons prophecies and ran on the Demeter ones. Her motivations are so beautiful!

Of course, no one wants a clingy mother, but the way she cares and worries literally reflects on the seasons

Her lines after completing the main story are amazing

[ashen oyster]

need to try Demeter more

but idk seems like gotta do cast build to get most out of her

[haughty thorn]

Rama and her special kinda works too if you get everything lol

[hard rose]

Ice beam Arctic Blast Lucifer

[haughty thorn]

With triple and eternal

Killing freeze is really good on Rama. Winter's Harvest is neat at least

It's technically a good damage increase

I bet you could make other hammers with with ice beam tbh

[atomic forge]

how do i get more things on my mirror of night?

[atomic forge]

Oh ok

My nad

The game scared me

I just got out of elysium

I thought I had to kill cerberus

I was boutta cry

[languid temple]

unlock with cthonic keys

that question goes in #h1-for-new-players though i think?

[languid temple]

mood, that was also my reaction, i was like NOT THE GOODEST BOY

[rose beacon]

fighting cerberus would definitely be very tough

[atomic forge]

I would be very sad

He was the first charecter I gave ambrosia

[zinc belfry]

Bruh, I would quit playing than have to fight Cerby ;-;

[atomic forge]

I had those exact thoughts

I just got past styx

I like how I just have to give cerberus a good treat

Cerberus perished ( Not Really)

[zinc belfry]

Lmao, the game loves to remind you about how you "defeat" Cerberus

[atomic forge]

I got destroyed by hades

I felt a lot of tension in their dialogue

It was cool

[zinc belfry]

Yeah, most people get kicked in the butt by dad ;-;

[atomic forge]

Oh sorry

I forgot about being pg lol

[zinc belfry]

Nah, you're good lol

[atomic forge]

Alright

Question

How do I get the autograph hypno wants

[languid temple]

just gotta keep talking to asterius

[atomic forge]

Alright

[open berry]

die a few times to asterius and die a few times to theseus and hope rng likes you

you do have to talk to asterius in the mini boss encounter to get it but remember most dialogue you get from hypnos involves you dying, and you DO have to die multiple times to both asterius and theseus to get it

[static rose]

Yeah i was never 100% on whether you have to die for that. It's annoying because on my latest save I have an 80 steak I don't want to break

[topaz saddle]

We never learn who hired skelly right?

[zenith wedge]

You do

||Charon hired him||

[open berry]

yeah i get some people dont like it because they have streaks going or something but unfortunately that is just how hypnos is set up. he asks about the autograph while remarking on the fact you died to asterius or theseus, if you never die to them the autograph convo will never have a chance to come up

[static rose]

Sucks to be Hypnos then

[open berry]

its just an easter egg more than anything so you're not missing any quest progression

[atomic forge]

wtf i was beating this fat bull and he left lmfao

[upper oak]

asterius? he comes back in the final room

[languid temple]

asterius is like 'bro wanna spar' and zagreus is like 'no bro i wanna be bros' and asterius is like 'yeah bro lets beat each other up as bros' 🪓 🐮

[wheat moth]

Hello it's been mentioned many times in the game but who are the Fates exactly and what do they do, do we get to see them at some point?

[static rose]

The fates are Nyx's daughters and you don't mess with them. They are not referenced other than via dialogue.

[topaz saddle]

Why does hades act like nothing happened after the first clear?

[ashen oyster]

Fates decide everyone's well fate. Like how long they live and when they die. They also get revenge for some serious crimes

especially like killing family members

[atomic forge]

hes sole loser

[snow apex]

Bro cannot take an L, it’s why the pact of punishment is established right after you beat him the first time

[haughty thorn]

He still thinks of himself as the best fighter in the underworld. On top of that, some plot stuff will explain his motivations better.

Basically there was no chance someone with his pride would immediately accept being bested by his son like his father and his father before him.

[hard rose]

technically his grandad just got....sterilized, no?

[haughty thorn]

It ends up with ||Zagreus' job just being doing what he was already doing||

Yeah iirc

[hard rose]

leading to Lady Aphrodite's birth

all them mitosis kids

[haughty thorn]

I forget if they are born adults or not

I think that varies a lot

Or like they're small adults

[hard rose]

Athena was born an adult, I think

she's the only mitosis kid of her generation, (also iirc.)

well technically she has a "biological" mother but born via mitosis

[worthy steeple]

So I completed the side quest to reunite Orpheus and Eurydice a run or two ago

But I didn’t get the Eurydice room until just now

And I heard the duet and just

mah hart

mah sole

https://tenor.com/view/mha-heart-mah-sole-soul-gif-10805626

[fickle comet]

He acts like that when he's at the House because he doesn't want word to get out. The reputation that no one can escape is important for the Underworld to function properly. He talks about it a lot more freely when he and Zagreus are on the surface with no one else in earshot.

[median notch]

just got the true ending!

great story

[static rose]

Sore loser?

[atomic forge]

yep, typo

[abstract sentinel]

I finally gave Thanatos and Megaera their first Ambrosias, but am not sure if this triggers the romance after my next run or not. My question is do I have to unlock conversations with other characters to do so or do I just keep giving Ambrosia?

[barren bolt]

as long as you keep giving them ambrosia you’ll be good to romance them. sometimes the game will prioritize certain listening dialogue (aka you can’t talk to them) and you’ll have to wait until your next death, but there’s nothing else. the romance will only be triggered if you max out each one (and you can romance them both if you’d like)

hope that makes sense

also random but Aphrodite was born a full adult, I think her and Athena were the only ones in the mythology, although I’m far from an expert so please correct me if I’m wrong

[atomic forge]

zag and than so hot oml

[frozen bay]

and right after you max out them, both requires favors

but it takes some time to complete them. Than's favor is related to his encouters during the runs. Megs is about a few times that you see her in zags room

[abstract sentinel]

Thanks, @barren bolt and @frozen bay!

[frozen bay]

anytime!

[barren bolt]

no prob!

[frozen bay]

Gods, totally agree. His base model is pretty much that, basic lol, but his soooo beatiful

[atomic forge]

than my beloved

[snow apex]

So why can’t I give than a nectar sometimes?

[worthy steeple]

Me killing myself just to hear more dialogue from Greek rougelike game

https://tenor.com/view/rats-when-they-see-a-kfc-deep-fryer-rats-milkshake-milkshakemp3-when-gif-21520432

[frozen bay]

Depends on how he appears. If there's a dialog box, you can give him nectar. Otherwise, he'll just vanish 😅

[median notch]

just beat EM4, I love the dialogue the run after you beat him when you reach him again

[worthy steeple]

I AM GOING TO THROTTLE SKELLY I SWEAR TO BLOOD AND DARKNESS

||I WASTED PERFECTLY GOOD TITAN BLOOD ON A WEAPON I DONT EVEN USE||

Just for that I’m gonna take my anger out on hell dad

I’m buying the disco ball

[hard rose]

Was just gonna say you can swap the diamonds you get from the prophecy back into blood to get a partial refund

[worthy steeple]

BRUH DOES ORPHEUS AND EURYDICE ALWAYS SING OVER THE CREDITS

CAUSE THIS IS BEYOND BANGING BRUH WDYM

[atomic forge]

YESSIR

have you heard "in the blood"

Hades OST slaps

[worthy steeple]

Bruh i finally did it

||I HAVE RETURNED THE QUEEN!||

BRUH AND SHE GOT DRIP NOW

SHE GOT

[pseudo fern]

I just did that today as well

[median notch]

The music is pretty pog

[opal lion]

I also did that today/yesterday (next day for me)

[devout slate]

I KNOW

[zenith wedge]

Love the underworld outfit so much

[languid temple]

'yeah we got nice clothes in the underworld'
'what brands u got'
'hades brand'

skulls on everything for everybody

[static rose]

I just got a new dialogue from Theseus after going into Heroes fight with a Yarn of Ariadne. After 500 or so runs...

[devout slate]

I see this as an absolute win!

[languid temple]

i absolutely agree

[ashen oyster]

Asterius gets upset at him for insulting his sister

[cedar breach]

I remember that one

[open berry]

there's multiple yarn dialogue btw

[hallow thistle]

Do it again. There are 3 or 4 dialogues

[rugged jay]

Hey guys im in the middle of brainstorming a story related to this game and i cannot find note of it anywhere so i may be misremembering but... Wasn't Hades cursed never to bear a child in the underworld and that's why Zagreus died in birth or... is this just my brain making up plot points???

If anyone knows what I'm talking about and can confirm or deny, please @ me

[atomic forge]

yea, i just saw that part on my hellmode playthrough

Zag: you knew you couldnt have a child but you tried anyway?
Hades: who has children intenionally? some joke about something else unintended

[rugged jay]

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU lol I'm writing a sort of swap AU fic where Than is the one busting out of the underworld and my reasoning for Zag and Perseph to be on the surface hinged on that curse

[atomic forge]

are you publishing it anywhere

[atomic forge]

r u posting it somewhere when u done cuz im interested in reading it

[rugged jay]

I'm hoping to! Its gonna take a while tho lol I'm so bad at finding the motivation to keep doing things

[atomic forge]

buy and upgrade meg or buy meg and skully? companion

[fickle comet]

What? Why are you replying to my message that's completely unrelated to your question with a question that's not related to story discussion either?

[lament epoch]

lmao

[atomic forge]

Wait this is story

Lmfao

Mb

Xd

[worthy steeple]

Okay so I just completed my first run after beating the game

And why is it that the only thing I can think of

Is right when zagreus goes “ Why you-“ and then gets sent back to the styx

Is just the sniper sound from TF2

Frick now I gotta make that

[eternal shuttle]

Just reached the ending, so good

Now to find the epilogue

I love the detail that Hades just has 100 of the same cape in his bedroom

[worn flower]

given how he destroys them every time he fights zag, he needs hundreds 😂

[static rose]

Yeah when Zagreus remarks about how it's all samey capes, I lost it.

[ashen oyster]

I knew it!

[hard rose]

It's just capes!

[pseudo fern]

https://tenor.com/view/amy-no-capes-the-incredibles-shouting-gif-10739441

[spring crystal]

Idk who made the hades discussion

But IS AMAZING !

[atomic forge]

Is epilogue true ending?

[static rose]

Yes. After that you can still get new dialogue for a long time but there's no more main plot (other than unfinished relationship stuff)

[fallen gale]

Is there any requirements I need to meet before I can buy the deed for Orpheus and Eurydice?

[hard rose]

max nectar with Orpheus, 5 hearts with Nyx, admin chamber access

Might need some hearts with Eurydice but max nectar isn't required

[fallen gale]

for the yuan ti aspect, I already got 5 other aspects, have reached hades after the fact, and have spent over 5 titan blood on the spear, is there anything else Im missing, or do I just have to do a few more runs till I get the dialoge?

[rare saffron]

Is there continued dialog with dusa after nyx's punishment?

Just to be clear I have max affinity with her and she's already returned the ambrosia and have completed the epilog. I'm just being vague cuz I don't want to spoil that far for anyone.

[fallen gale]

I've gotten Dusa's companion already, maybe?

[rare saffron]

Yea thats part of maxing affinity I'm in the late late game story wise

[fallen gale]

anything else, like perhaps a quest I need to complete or a task to do?

[atomic forge]

Guan Yu, and u need to spend 5 blood on things not-including the spear

[fallen gale]

yep, I've done that as well

[jolly sphinx]

its unlock 5 aspects not spend 5 blood

[fallen gale]

yeah, I've done that as well, should I just do some more runs?

[atomic forge]

then yea just wait for dialogue, but do other storylines as well because sometimes one thats in progress stops other stories from starting

[jolly sphinx]

5 blood on spear isnt needed. the dialogue doesnt always happen right away so just do runs and talk to achilles

[atomic forge]

yes

[atomic forge]

i dont think you had to spend titan blood on spear i got it without doing it

[cedar moss]

A Yuan Ti is a serpent race from D&D, just thought I'd throw that out there 😅

Also, hello everyone. I'm new to Hades and this server.
I'm loving their take on Greek Mythology, amazing!

[fallen gale]

You might want to stay away from this channel if you don’t want spoilers for now..,…

[cedar moss]

Thank you. I'll be fine 🙂

[fallen gale]

It is a great take on Greek mythology though

[cedar moss]

I've already cleared more than a few times.

[fallen gale]

Ah, alright

[cedar moss]

Indeed

[atomic forge]

how do i unlock this chamber on west hall

[cedar moss]

I won't share story, but several clears.

Not just one or two, but like 6 or 7 times.

I'm unsure about normal mode, I play Hell Mode only, I like the Pact of Punishment and the Fated List rewards the Pact give.

[zenith wedge]

Hell mode forces some pacts + 1 exclusive to it and unlocked before first win

[hard rose]

The one on the left or the one on the right

[atomic forge]

i already have the one on the left i bought it with 2 diamonds

and i am on my 6th escape rn

someone told me i need escapes

[hard rose]

yeah you get access after the 8th win

[atomic forge]

oh ok

thx

[hard rose]

I didn't even realize that was another room until I unlocked it lol

[atomic forge]

lol

[topaz saddle]

I’m confused by Artemis and aphro duo dialogue

[devout slate]

What's confusing about it?

[topaz saddle]

Is it saying Artemis doesn’t like aphro or aphro knows Artemis has a crush on zag?

[atomic forge]

what is the dialogue

[topaz saddle]

Artemis "Hey, uh, Zagreus! There's something I've been wondering, and don't take this the wrong way or anything, OK? Oh, no. It's her."
Aphrodite "Why, Artemis, you're absolutely tongue-tied! Due to our little godling in the Underworld, or a little due to me? Hm-hm, you shall figure it all out I'm sure!"
Artemis "Look, what was I, ugh, just, nevermind. I'll talk to you some other time I guess."

[languid temple]

I read this as 1. arty doesn't like aphro very much, this was also a bad time for aphro to show up and 2. aphro thinks arty likes zagreus; whether that's true is unclear

[static rose]

I think it's saying that Aphrodite just likes messing with Artemis since Artemis doesn't seem to respect/worship her.

[fallen gale]

I FINALLY GOT YUAN TU ASPECT

WOO

[atomic forge]

whyr u calling it yuan tu

[fallen gale]

Oh wait, is it yuan ti?

[open berry]

guan yu

[hard rose]

are you playing in Russian

[civic barn]

juan yu

[cedar moss]

Again, a Yuan Ti is a serpent race from D&D lmao.

[cedar moss]

Artemis is also a virgin (in real mythology and probably in game chastity is a trait of Artemis) so a goddess like Aphrodite is the opposite of her values. In game it's also mentioned by other deities that Artemis rarely involves herself with the other gods.

So Artemis' annoyance at Aphrodite is based on their spheres of influence as gods and their personalities, I don't think Artemis falls for Prince Z.

[acoustic meteor]

Do theseus and asterius have an argument? Whenever I fight them, the dialoge is always asterius telling theseus something else and losing his trust in him. Does anything bad happen in between them?

[zinc belfry]

Ahaha...ha

So, short answer is, yes

But it's extremely entertaining to watch

Theseus is being dramatic, Asterius is cool-headed as ever, and Zagreus feels like the reluctant divorce lawyer

[static rose]

Yeah, just keep playing for one of the funniest encounters in the game 🤣

[zenith wedge]

Just their anime arc

[ashen oyster]

Callisto's myth implies that she might have been gay though and she in Hades she seems very flustered when mentioning her too

But just subtext

[cedar moss]

Callisto?

[ashen oyster]

Yea she has a line mentioning her in Hades

[cedar moss]

I might not have seen that, yet haha.

[ashen oyster]

But one of her huntresses that Zeus rapes by pretending to be Artemis

Which like only would work if Artemis typically sleeps with her huntresses lol

[cedar moss]

I'd wager that Zeus was playing the "trust" card.
Target her followers as the woman herself.
It wouldn't imply Artemis is a lesbian, more that Zeus is just cunning and deceptive (a common theme surrounding him).
I think Callisto was probably surprised that "Artemis" was making moves on her, until the truth came out.

[ashen oyster]

Zeus: "Now, Zagreus, once you arrive, we'll have to find for you a suitable mate, won't we, fine young man such as yourself! Normally, there's much to choose from around here, with some exceptions, of course... such as my cunning daughter, Artemis. Willfully uninclined to take a mate, at all!"

Artemis: "Yes, Zagreus, in spite of all these perfect, chiseled prospects everywhere about, yearning to marry or embarrass me, for some reason, I prefer to spend my time mostly alone or with my nymph friends in the woods!"

In Hades I do think its more likely that Artemis is gay

Gal pals you know

But yea Callisto can be read either way

[ashen oyster]

“Quickly he took on the face and dress of Diana, and said ‘Oh, girl who follows me, where in my domains have you been hunting?’
The virgin girl got up from the turf replying ‘Greetings, goddess greater than Jupiter: I say it even though he himself hears it.’ He did hear, and laughed, happy to be judged greater than himself, and gave her kisses unrestrainedly

This to me looks like would only work if Callisto had an expectation of intimacy from Artemis.

[cedar moss]

Homosexuality was common in Greek culture and mythology.
But those are Roman versions of the myths. I wonder if they were the same for Hellen's. (I've mostly studied the Hellenistic versions and not the Roman).
There are changes that happened during Roman assimilation of Greek culture.
But, I guess we can read into that any way we'd like. I disagree that Artemis had sexual partners, male or female. Since she's quite specifically considered a virgin.
Sexual interaction was still sex, despite gender back then.

I think Artemis in Hades' game is referring to simply not wanting to be with anyone like that at all, and that she prefers to hunt.
Spending time with her Nymph friends does not equal wanting to have sex/intimacy with them. She may even be asexual (in game) based on that dialogue.

The closest I've seen to Artemis having any urge/crush/etc, is her interest in Achilles, and her confusion after Zag gives her nectar 6.

[tribal hill]

An example of this was Heracles and him killing the lernien Hydra

[ashen oyster]

The greek word for Virgin just meant "unmarried woman"

And they were hella sexist so it's not impossible that they just believed gay women didnt count

[tribal hill]

Or pretty strong 12-15yo boy

[ashen oyster]

Spending time with nymph friends line could be taken as is but it's pretty tongue in cheek in that moment

"Must be some reason"

[tribal hill]

If you were a woman and breathed you had a 98% chance of zuse knocking you up and Hera killing you in some kind of elaborate punishment

I am not wrong when I say this

[ashen oyster]

I mean just look at like trial of Orestes, being a woman sucks

Athena successfully argues that killing your mother is nbd

[cedar moss]

You forget the Isle of Lesbos.
And Artemis is a Goddess of Chastity, not just the hunt. Which is why I think it's a stretch to say she's not a virgin.

[tribal hill]

Need I mention how Heracles was born

[cedar moss]

That, I do agree with haha, they had a pretty rough life back then.

[ashen oyster]

Zagreus, if only could turn yourself into a woodland creature and just fly or burrow out of there! My Callisto, she can turn into a bear, have you seen those? Monstrous, furry things, quite huggable, if they don't kill you first!

They do seem to retcon Callisto's myth though, Zeus isn't a huge jerk

[languid temple]

i get major artemis/callisto vibes from a lot of arty's dialogue

and as an itty bitty lesbian i definitely latched onto the myth of artemis running wild in the woods with her band of young women who have sworn off men

[ashen oyster]

Yea I would say in mythology its less likely but Hades 👀

"Hunting Partners"

[languid temple]

the greek definition of chastity wasn't applicable to the modern western sense, really. they defined sex, sexuality and relationships in totally different ways

i think 'was mythological artemis a lesbian' is a pretty much un-answerable question, either way, because the information and the common culture and language just isn't there

and also because 'mythological artemis' meant wildly different things to different greeks in different places at different times, and changed in the telling

[ashen oyster]

Mythological Artemis was a pretty bad person overall so it's not exactly good representation

[static rose]

Yeah, myths eventually evolve into some form of cultural fan fiction

[cedar moss]

Fair point.
Good thing this was a discussion, I've seen talks go from what's above to just "wikipedia arguments".

[ashen oyster]

Like rather than blaming Zeus for Callisto, she blamed Callisto for being tricked

[cedar moss]

Well, I'd not want to invoke Zeus' wrath haha.
Good save, Artemis, blame Callisto 😂

[ashen oyster]

Athena said she would always side with men against women since she has no mother

And that men hold the spark to create life

[languid temple]

hail, stranger! i am a time traveller, i have summoned you from the year 2389 BC to answer me this question: artemis gay, Y/N?

prosimikos of crete: αυτό δεν είναι το όμορφο σπίτι μου

[ashen oyster]

😎

[zinc belfry]

Anime divorce arc

[cedar moss]

Athena for the bois! 🤣

[atomic forge]

Guys, question! Hades just learned that Thanatos is helping me and got pretty mad, will I see Thanatos again? I am currently on the route to romance him so I really want to see him again

yes

Thank you!!

[atomic forge]

I saved up 4 ambrosia for him but there isn't an option to give it to him

😭

[worn flower]

you can only give 1 ambrosia per person with the only exception being Dusa

Edit: I am a dummy and incorrect

[atomic forge]

REALLY??

[worn flower]

and there are specific things to be done before you can do so

usually, you just need to keep talking to them

it'll unfold organically

[atomic forge]

Thank you for telling me

Man I save up that ambrosia for nothing huh

not for nothing

you'll need it for other people and companions

and you can always trade for titan blood once all thats done

[frozen jolt]

you can give more than one ambrosia per character, you can give thanatos 4

Not at once though

[static rose]

That's not true.

Dusa is the only character you give multiple Ambrosia to in a single encounter, but lots of characters get given multiple Ambrosia over multiple encounters.

[worn flower]

yes, i seem to have had a brainfart and forgotten that you give ambrosia after after the midway point on the affinity meter 😅

[cedar moss]

I didn't know Dusa could be gifted more than once in a single encounter.
I'm past Nectar for her, but is it possible to multi-gift Nectar to Dusa?
I wouldn't, since I like watching the dialogue and story unfold, but subsequent playthroughs I'd like to speed that process.

[atomic forge]

welp half|| because just giving them afterwards is more part of the story||

so you are not totally wrong

[atomic forge]

yes you can but only if you wanna do something with her :))

i recommend meg

tho

;))

[cedar moss]

I meant more than one Nectar at once for Dusa, like how you can with Ambrosia.

[atomic forge]

oh wait so you already gifted her ambrosia but u still can gift nectar?

i didnt know

[cedar moss]

No, what I'm asking is if you can gift more than one nectar in a single encounter (I'm really not sure how many ways I can ask this question) 😅

[ashen oyster]

I cqnt gift anything to Thanatos anymore

Feels bad

[atomic forge]

ye no one understood cause the way you asked it

you give them until they have a keyhole

most prob 5-6

[hard rose]

Yeah for Thanatos you gotta always check if you can give him before talking to him

Since he tends to poof off after talking

[atomic forge]

but after ||you get true edning|| he will be more around the house

[cedar moss]

I guess I'll have to find out lol. I think asking if "more than one nectar can be given to Dusa in a single encounter" is easy to understand 😅

[zenith wedge]

Nectar nope, but she asks for more than 1 bottle of ambrosia at the time

[cedar moss]

Awesome, thank you 🙂

[zenith wedge]

It goes up to 4 iirc?

[atomic forge]

i literally told you lmfaoooo

[cedar moss]

I'm up to Ambrosia, so I'm glad I can gift more than 1.

[atomic forge]

.

[atomic forge]

bro wtf? you didnt say if you can give more ambrosia

you asked about nectar

but yes you can still give them ambrosia

i am so f confused

[cedar moss]

People said you can gift more than one Ambrosia to Dusa in a single encounter, so I asked if you can gift more than one Nectar.
I said I've already finished with nectar for Dusa, but would like to know for subsequent playthoughs to speed up the process.
Eventually, SomeNoobDying answered the question, which is why I went on to say "I'm up to Ambrosia, so I'm glad I can gift more than 1."

[open berry]

here's to clear this up:

you can only gift someone once per encounter. once you have gifted someone you will have to go on another run to reset that and be able to gift again.

dusa is an exception because she will take 10 ambrosia, each instance of gifting her ambrosia is 1•2•3•4 = 10

[cedar moss]

Thank you. That clears it up wonderfully. Shame the same cannot be done with Nectar, but then again, the pacing of the story is perfect 🙂

[open berry]

it's only because you are gifting her so much ambrosia under the excuse of "helping to stock the lounge"

[cedar moss]

That makes total sense.

[open berry]

you will have the option to get that all back afterward, or let her keep it. no penalty no matter what you pick

[cedar moss]

Although, some may wanna get Than or Meg Ambrosia'd up 😂

I'd feel bad for taking it back.

[copper pendant]

It doesn't affect anything, and as the game states she doesn't mind

Taking it back just lets you make more friends and upgrade your frens

[cedar moss]

It's personal, I just dislike the idea of taking back gifts. I can earn and buy Ambrosia easily enough.

[open berry]

i took it back because she seemed uncomfortable with zag essentially doing her job for her. but again there's no penalty either way. others take it back simply because ambrosia is valuable and they need it elsewhere

[cedar moss]

Makes sense.

[open berry]

it's all up to how you interpret their dialogue, pick what suits you

[cedar moss]

Indeed. I try to max her out asap. She's not always around when I die, so I try to prioritise her, Meg, Than.

At least with Than you can gift him when you encounter.

[frozen bay]

And is also good bc you can easily unlock Aphrodite's favor after giving them ambrosia

And, of course, unlocking the cutscenes

[cedar moss]

I better get back to Prince Z.
I gotta get through this new playthrough. 😊

[wise forge]

Does nothing happen if you take it back? I did lose alot of ambrosia there...

[open berry]

you're not punished for either option. the dialogue continues as normal. there's no wrong choice

[short solstice]

how do i use the spoiler tag again?

[frozen jolt]

||like this||

[short solstice]

||okay||

||never expected of me not to fight hades lmao||

[atomic forge]

Guys so, I gave Thanatos 6 nectar and the next heart has a lock on it

What does this mean*

[tribal hill]

It mean out need to give other characters nectar to progress his story, but you need to figure out which ones you need to give it too so that it will trigger the event.

But you also need to exhaust the dialogue pool so that I can trigger

[atomic forge]

Ohhh that's interesting! I had no idea about that

I only gave him nectar throughout the game, no one else

Well I did give 1 nectar to all the characters for their gifts

[tribal hill]

Yes

But I would check with the wiki so that you can figure out who you need to give the nectar to

[atomic forge]

Thank you for the help

[tribal hill]

Also don't want your ambrosia

You are REALLY going to need it

[atomic forge]

I have 4

Didn't spend it on anything

[tribal hill]

Good

Always have 1 in your inventory as a buffer

Cuz you trade 1 ambrosia for 1 blood

[atomic forge]

I sadly can't find anything about this

[tribal hill]

Look at sysiphus in the wiki and it will show

It's under favor

Or to be more exact it would most likely show up as a prophecy

[atomic forge]

Sisyphus?

[tribal hill]

Yes

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Sisyphus

Look at his favor

[atomic forge]

Yes I did look at his favor, but there is nothing about Thanatos there

[tribal hill]

I know

I was using this as an example

Hold on

[atomic forge]

Ohhhh I understand what you want me to do

[tribal hill]

Yes

[atomic forge]

It says in Thanatos' favors that I need to prove to him my strength and escape the underworld, I didn't ||beat hades|| but I did get out of there once

If that's enough

[tribal hill]

You need to beat boss 4 once in order to activate a lot of favors

[atomic forge]

Oh.. so I do need to beat him

[tribal hill]

Yes

[atomic forge]

That's a pain

But I think I'm powerful enough

[tribal hill]

Also you need to escape 10 times to finish the story

Or the main story at least

[atomic forge]

Yeah that's alright

I think I'm powerful enough, I'll try

[tribal hill]

Also stock up on a crap ton of nector cuz it will start to be a pain to get later

[atomic forge]

Understood

Which Keepsake do you recommend using?

[pseudo fern]

Gods keepsakes in Tartarus and asphodel, acorn or lucky tooth in elysium, acorn in styx

[atomic forge]

I have been using Cerberus' keepsake so far

[pseudo fern]

The whole time?

[atomic forge]

Yes

[pseudo fern]

You should change that. Which keepsakes do you have

[atomic forge]

I'll tell you when I go back home in a bit

[pseudo fern]

Ok

[pseudo fern]

I think this fits better in hades discussion instead of story though

[atomic forge]

Yeah you're right

Okay I'll tell them there

[silk latch]

Damn the story is so sad

I love it

[static rose]

It is not always sad

And there's a pooch to pet

[runic pond]

End game spoiler:
||I wish I could go to moms garden and water the plants after the fade to black like 20+ times it gets demoralizing
Also I want to see the sunrise again too ||

[static rose]

100% this. I'd play the heck out of a mini gardening sim of watering and growing plants to bring home to the chef.

I've just got my 9th clear in a new hell mode run and I was just thinking how sad it'll be to lose the sunrise again.

[runic pond]

Or something like buying materials for the garden that only get added if you complete the run and if you lose the run they get lost

That would be cool

Imagine having a dripped out garden

[static rose]

Yeah, it'd be a way to use up resources (I've got so many unused diamonds and Titan blood and Ambrosia).

Then let other players visit it ... Oh wait, that's animal crossing 🤣

[wise forge]

Same

[old badge]

Damn

I did not expect to get straight up ||topped|| by Megaera

Hey question about romance btw. ||I was on the way to completing Dusa's path, but ended up getting to Meg first just by virtue of her being in the House when Dusa wasn't when I had Ambrosia to give. Now I've maxed Meg's affinity and I'm dating her. Does Dusa (and I guess Thanatos) path come back, or does it lock you in? I don't mind either way, I like Meg far and away the best, but I'm curious to see what the other paths hold.||

[topaz saddle]

You can do all 3, and toy don’t need spoilers here

[old badge]

Cool, cool

Do you need ambrosia for non-romance affinity options like Achilles and Skelly?

[static rose]

Yes, but only those who give companions really matter, the rest are just for the icons

[old badge]

Fair call. For Dusa and Than, do I need to complete some in-game achievement to be able to progress their path?

I assume with Dusa I need to renovate the House so hard she falls in love with me

and with Than uhh

idk kill guys

lmao

[static rose]

I don't think so. It's all stuff in the house.

[old badge]

Ok easy enough

[static rose]

Than is just dialogue exhaustion i think

But I did this ages ago so might not be remembering correctly

[old badge]

Right understood

[static rose]

Just keep doing runs and talking to everyone

It'll sort itself out eventually

[old badge]

Sure 🙂

[old badge]

Also, I had no idea there was so much going on after credits

Like theres so many little subplots

[atomic forge]

yep, im almost a 100 wins in and stuff is still going on

[old badge]

A hundred?? Oh my god. I'm only 25 in lmao

thats completely ridiculous. I love it

[atomic forge]

recently, ||hypnos has been trying to get work done and nyx is like
Nyx: gj, ur sleeping on the job less ur almost kind of competent
Hypnos: thats the best compliment ive ever gotten||

minor hypnos character arc spoiler lol

[old badge]

Oh yeah, Hypnos. That guy I ignore

He's prolly gonna be the last dude I affinity cause i just do not care about him rn

[zenith wedge]

Hypnos is fun

[open berry]

the hypnos slander

though in fairness he'd be the last even if you liked him bc finishing out his quest is just that annoying and long-winded

[rugged bough]

ok this is probably just an OCD question but why is it Tartarus/Olympus in Hades but in fenyx rising it's Tartaros/Olympos

im so confused

[static rose]

Because language

[rugged bough]

elaborate?

i gathered that lol

[open berry]

olympos is the transliteration of Ολυμπος

most often people will use accepted latin spelling, which would be olympus

[merry meteor]

What's his quest?

[static rose]

Except some people choose to use alternate spellings for effect. Fenyx Rising gives characters a somewhat faux Greek accent, so Olympos sounds more like they say it.

[rugged bough]

thanks!

glad i learned a thing today

[merry meteor]

Please

In the blood is sooooooooooooooooooooo good

[open berry]

at least 7 back and forths with thanatos, which means not only is it reliant on finding thanatos on a run, but he also needs to not be in the middle of other dialogue chains bc he tends to prioritize those over his with hypnos. it just takes forever

[zenith wedge]

Hooome is not where you live~

[merry meteor]

But who cares when you're gone

The hidden aspect of malphon is the one I want most, but I've gotten basically every other one before

I only need malphon and coronacht

[zenith wedge]

Hidden bow so fun

[merry meteor]

What does it do

[zenith wedge]

Tag enemies with special then attack does a % of your dmg to enemies tagged

Also higher attack slower charge

[flat nebula]

And it has an amazing exclusive hammer

[zenith wedge]

Yuuuuup

[flat nebula]

[merry meteor]

Ikr

[wise forge]

I agree

I spent 5 diamonds for that song just to learn it is lyricless

[merry meteor]

I knowwww

[wise forge]

Is there any way to get lyrics?

[keen jetty]

Am I just supposed to hit the harp after every run to eventually learn it? I usually play with sound off on handheld mode on my switch. So I'm not sure if I'm missing anything

[wise forge]

Just do it alot then it works

[zenith wedge]

Orpheus/eury sing them from time of time but otherwise nope

[wise forge]

It can be in one or two runs

[zenith wedge]

Love coming back to the house with orpheus singing lament of orpheus

[wise forge]

If you see that you have to wait 10 seconds then you've done it

[mint kestrel]

Learning ||what Zeus did with Persephone (aka literally gifting her to Hades)|| really put a lot of his dialogue into context.

Seriously, the audacity of Zeus sometimes…

[zinc belfry]

A good chunk of Greek mythos can be summed up with Zeus' audacity

[hard rose]

^^

[fluid knot]

I have an idea for the continuation of the story. If Zagreus' mother had another child (perhaps from another god). that child, he can enter the underworld to search for his mother.

I know its look like stupid idea...

[kindred shale]

id rather it take place on Olympus

letting you meet all the gods in person

entirely new setting

maybe a civil war of the gods

or a titan revival scheme

[fluid knot]

That means a lot of bosses and kaos. I liked it

[hexed plover]

Kratos cross over final boss

[upper oak]

just beat the game

i’m so impressed

[hexed plover]

gg

[woeful grail]

What's the war that is taking place on the surface?

[static rose]

I don't think it's ever specifically determined. There are many to choose from in the time of Greek myth.

[upper oak]

oh man i’m going to miss the sunset after beating hades

[atomic forge]

i miss having a 2nd roll on greece fishing

[woeful grail]

Sort of a lord of the flies thing

[somber estuary]

It's pretty much the Peloponnesian Wars though.

[worthy leaf]

Finally reached the epilogue after 90 hours playtime

[native merlin]

I'm somewhere around 200 hours and just got the subplot where ||Nyx fires Dusa||

[trim shuttle]

||Omg ive just learnt that. Dusa told me nyx fired her. I hope their is a way to make that not happen. Dusa is so cool ! :(||

[native merlin]

I ran out of time last night but I'm furiously doing runs as soon as I can to advance the story

[vapid raptor]

|| There is ||

[native merlin]

dusa = best

[mint kestrel]

Bad Calls are hilarious but I also feel a little bad about it.

[upper oak]

SAME
i just want the achievement athena i swear

[mint kestrel]

Except Ares

The way he says ”Disgusting.” makes me feel terrible.

[frozen jolt]

sorry, gotta delete that, no swear words allowed here

[wise forge]

What are bad calls

Oh I figured it out

[somber estuary]

If we're including like every possible version of the mythos, Hades and ||Persephone|| alone have no less than four children including Zag. Maybe more. There's plenty of potential. I once pitched a series of challenge modes all themed after and starring potential siblings to Zag. I would title the expansion: Gold, Ghosts, and Glory.

Regardless, I do hope Supergiant considers adding full expansions to their repertoire in the foreseeable future. I realize it's not currently part of their MO though.

[fluid knot]

[empty slate]

Its weird because my main source for greek mythology has Zeus as zags father

[hard rose]

That's one of the versions yeah

[torpid vine]

I still wanna see what Supergiant would make of Apollo, Hestia, Hera, Hephaestus and so on.

[civic barn]

they made hestia into a gun

[zenith wedge]

And hera into a bow

[ornate sonnet]

Does any one want to vc

[atomic forge]

Do people really video chat with strangers? 😬

[hard rose]

*voice

[atomic forge]

Ahh ok that’s a little better

[hard rose]

I would if there was some prior conversation

hard to get people just out of the blue with no context imo

[atomic forge]

That’s what I thought lmao

It sounds like it’d be awkward af

Especially if it’s only 2 people

[hard rose]

Also #off-topic-discussion unless you're nearly done

[atomic forge]

What do you mean

[hard rose]

we're getting off topic, so if you have more to say we can move to general discussion before one of the mods comes to

[upper oak]

ngl i miss being able to check up on storylines during runs
like ive completed all the story rooms now and i miss talking to eurydice about orpheus or vice versa
and of course theres still the epilogue and the romance quests with dusa and than (IF HE WOULD EVER SHOW UP) but its not quite the same

[hard rose]

Yeah something like chapter select would be nice

[upper oak]

idk, it feels nice to have full conversations about the story that isnt just like “hey achillies strangers here now take some death defy and go”

[hard rose]

Time to start a new save

[upper oak]

hell no i still have so much to do game play wise

i need to finish up dusa’s favor but im saving gems rn for the dog throne or whatever
the one thats 2000 gems

for the epilogue i want to start maxing out bonds with the gods right

i got the callisto convo with artemis so i think im close on that quest with her?

[frozen jolt]

yeah, thats what the epilogue requires

i am wayy past the point of stumbling onto voice lines i havent seen, unless its maybe the low health lines from characters or duo conversations (since i havent gotten all duos and there are multiple conversations for those) but ill have to go out of my way to see those. by playing regularly i dont really see anything new :( i miss it... sometimes i consider starting a new file but i want to get the unseen one title first which will take. a while

[upper oak]

i want to do high heats and speed runs and things first, i still have a lot of game to enjoy
but once i do all that ill prob start a new save

[frozen jolt]

you can do it simultaneously :]

a save file for story and a save file for gameplay

[upper oak]

eh, don't feel like it

[frozen jolt]

thats fair

[upper oak]

havent even reached the epilouge yet
i might later though

[merry meteor]

What are they?

[zenith wedge]

On trials of the god using a full call of the god you angered will result in angry dialogue from them while using it

[merry meteor]

Ok

[fallen gale]

where do I ask about how to solve prophecies?

beacuse I'm trying to solve the one that|| reunites chaos and Nyx||

[wise forge]

To do that one you ||talk to chaos and nyx alot and then you'll get the work order to reunite them and need to spend 3000ish darkness. For this I used a key to take darkness of the mirror upgrades I don't use||

And here or Hades discussion or Hades discussion for new players

[jolly sphinx]

or the wiki

[fallen gale]

||right, hopefully I just need to do a run or 2 before I get that option, because I already did the talking part with them both, and I'm 2/3 of the way darkness wise||

[cyan nexus]

3142 I think

[native merlin]

Someone on the subreddit found this: https://mythology.stackexchange.com/questions/1622/how-many-gods-goddesses-are-there-in-total-in-greek-mythology/1623#1623

Apparently the total number of gods and goddesses in Greek mythology is 3142

(although it depends on how they're counted)

[static rose]

Do I need to talk to Chaos with the Chaos aspect before I can get the waking phrase for Beowulf? It's the last aspect I need and not forthcoming.

[zenith wedge]

Talk with them with any shield to receive dialogue about those

Then talk with Chaos again no matter the weapon for the ohrase

[open berry]

yeah its any shield. you need to see any of these lines

→"You come to my domain bearing an all-seeing artifact that sprang from me after the dawn of time. It is considered a defensive instrument, I do believe. Though, I suspect you have discovered, or soon shall discover, it is nothing of the sort."
this is from using any aspect

→"I expected your arrival, Son of Hades. For I am able to see through you. Rather, through the all-seeing artifact, which sprang from me after the dawn of time, and now resembles, in your hands, its foremost form. Respond."
this one's a brief convo with zag i didnt write the rest of down lol

→"Ah, you have that all-seeing artifact of mine, but in the old guise that the great Lord Zeus once used when he retaliated violently against his parentage. I watched his movements through it for some time."
zeus aspect obvs

if you've seen any of those and meet the other requirements its just a matter of fighting dialogue rng

[topaz saddle]

So if the world sprang from chaos are the titans like his kids? I know nyx and Erebus are their kids although Erebus in the game is the location (below Tartarus?) but there is a god associated with it.

[zenith wedge]

Chaos is they btw

[topaz saddle]

Your right

[static rose]

My right what?

[static rose]

Ta. I've got the top line, so I guess I just need more faith in RNJesus

[hard rose]

someone rolled a fishing spot in front of dad for the 10th clear
sauce https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7717685973?lp=5028&mo_device=1&is_jingpost=0#/

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867888481324761108/940753414105759764/unknown.jpeg

[zenith wedge]

The dad-son fishing experience

[zinc belfry]

Hades: We have to duel
Zag: But fish

[lament epoch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/79641072736665600/779777637211439139/cursed-meme-2.png

[pseudo fern]

completed the epilogue

[trim shuttle]

hehe nice

sometimes im thinking to start a new save just to do the whole story again ^^

[upper oak]

do it

[trim shuttle]

well i still have a lot to do on my main save so not for the moment 🙂

well "a lot to do" i just mean pushing higher heats ^^'

[upper oak]

i’m jealous of newer players
i’d love to experience that sunset for the first time again lol

high heat is fun

[trim shuttle]

^^ your first escape

such a great moment