h1-story-discussion

[potent matrix]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/e/e2/Charon.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/331?cb=20200707093853 look at the hair brother

[atomic forge]

romance him to get 50% off permanently

[potent matrix]

he has nice gold locks :c

a pretty boi :c

[atomic forge]

that was hair all along?

[potent matrix]

ikr!

[gray sky]

where tf is his hair

i feel like i am blind

[potent matrix]

like left ad right of his hair, under the hat

the blond reflects

[atomic forge]

ooh it's clearer on his in-game model

[potent matrix]

tru

[atomic forge]

i honestly thought that whole chunk was his face

[potent matrix]

isnt there an ingame image without the hat of him or do i remember wrongly?

[atomic forge]

if there was, i don't remember it

does he ever appear on the monthly employee thing? maybe that's it

[gray sky]

imagine dating charon for his money 🙄

[atomic forge]

i admit it, i'm a gold digger

[potent matrix]

👀

[potent matrix]

no i think only those who appear inside the house do

since he never does... ._.

[gray sky]

i'd date charon cause he mad cute homie

[atomic forge]

i prefer his brother

but i respect dat

[gray sky]

his brother is about 6/10

[potent matrix]

people tend to want to date hypnos alot

i dont understand the sentiment but you do you guys

[atomic forge]

oh no, i mean the other brother

i'm basic

[potent matrix]

everybody simps for than

that aint even a question

[gray sky]

what is hypnos's gender?

[potent matrix]

male

he is brother

[gray sky]

seems like a femboy

[potent matrix]

seems like a too sleepy guy to care about being masc or fem 😂

[gray sky]

[potent matrix]

his hair is a mess

he is just messboy

[gray sky]

only 5 more clears

[spice ice]

Drake no: picking up boons that work well with aspect of Arthur
Drake yes: picking up Demeter boons bc they look mad cool

[gray sky]

but demeter is cool :c

[potent matrix]

literally :)

[warm summit]

chill.

[warm summit]

oof. I put a bunch of chopped onion in a wrap and nommed it. Now I feel like Zagreus after ||failing Erebus||. I need a Eurydice to explain to me how onion is supposed to be prepared before consumption.

[potent matrix]

maybe ask le chef since he is handling them 24/7 in the lounge 👀

[warm summit]

well, there's a Eurydice dialogue about it 😛

[red bough]

you just put raw onions and only raw onions... in a wrap?

[warm summit]

oh, no

there was also salami and a little mustard

[potent matrix]

he even made an onion thanksgiving turkey 👀

[potent matrix]

tasty

[red bough]

i feel like you’re missing some greens

[warm summit]

I use what I had

[red bough]

hey i mean i like raw onions enough to do that

[potent matrix]

perfect anti-second-date recipe

[warm summit]

I should have fried up an egg but I was lazy

[red bough]

most people don’t

[warm summit]

it would have helped cut it a little

yeah I like raw onion 🙂

but that was a bit more than anticipated

[red bough]

i’m not sure if egg and raw onion is a good combo

[warm summit]

the mustard didn't make things better

[potent matrix]

o-o

[red bough]

i feel like you definitely want to cook the onions in that case

[warm summit]

it's like an omelette with onion

[potent matrix]

mustard never makes anything better

[warm summit]

they don't necessarily need cooking imo

just dump 'em in

[red bough]

mustard is good

it’s like vinegar but solid

[warm summit]

mustard is good but it's got a similar taste to onions

so they combined

raw onions, that is

[red bough]

i- i guess you could say that

i just... nothing about this wrap seems appealing

onions... salami... mustard.. egg

[potent matrix]

what kind of horrible raw onions do you eat that they taste like mustard

[red bough]

^^^^^

or what kind of mustard lmao

[potent matrix]

hahah tru

[warm summit]

if egg were in it, the salami and onion would have been cooked in it

and I'd have added chili

[potent matrix]

cooked salami onion?

[flat storm]

suddenly, this turned into a cooking channel?

[potent matrix]

this is getting less and less apealing

[red bough]

i feel like you just could have done literally anything else

[warm summit]

I was just discussing raw onions

[potent matrix]

ahahaha

[red bough]

you know what i mean

[potent matrix]

shell brother

[warm summit]

I don't think you understand my level of laziness here rigged 😉

[flat storm]

*Disgusting

not discussing

[red bough]

if you’re trying to do a wrap with egg and onions then idk get up some potatoes or bell peppers or something

[warm summit]

Because of Erebus where Hades gives you a raw onion and you nom it

[red bough]

why mustard

[potent matrix]

jesus christ we get it you're a different kind of wallflower that nobody understands

[warm summit]

well it was going to just be mustard and salami

but then I decided to add onion

[red bough]

okay mustard and salami and onion is reasonable i guess for more of a deli sandwich vibe

[potent matrix]

whatever convo you're in just lay back and go all high and "you dun understand meh"

be more like demeter and chill

[red bough]

but then you need veggies! where’s your banana peppers, lettuce, arugula, kale, anything????

[warm summit]

not in the house

we don't have a single one of those in the fridge at the moment

[potent matrix]

banana and onions and salami..............

ah wait banana peppers

nevermind

wait wtf are banana peppers

[warm summit]

and I'm in quarantine for having travelled

[red bough]

wait you don’t know what a banana pepper is...?

[potent matrix]

am not native english

i may know it in german?

[flat storm]

they are yellow hot peppers

i don't think there is a german name for them

[potent matrix]

are they a mainly murica/england thing? only ever seen green or red over here

[flat storm]

i think so

[potent matrix]

okidokes

[flat storm]

not entirely sure

[warm summit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_pepper

[potent matrix]

i think this channel should go back to story soon

[flat storm]

gods, now im hungry.

[potent matrix]

oh they look cute

[atomic forge]

where does the chef get his onions from

[warm summit]

same place hades does

[flat storm]

from the onionlands

[potent matrix]

onion smugglers in ||erebus|| 👀

[warm summit]

probably persephone planted a ton

and Hades kept them maintained

[potent matrix]

are we just casually watching the chef commit a crime via decimating an unholy amount of onions that you can only get personally from ||failing erebus||?

[pallid birch]

But the onions in ||erebus are already sliced||

[warm summit]

probably from the chef

[potent matrix]

[flat storm]

why do i feel like zag would eat an onion like an apple

[warm summit]

Because he does 😉

...or at least just chews them down raw

[potent matrix]

what if chef sometimes just goes out on a walk through hades and ||fails erebus|| on purpose to just get all his onions

[prime mulch]

i dont think zag even need to eat

[flat storm]

i mean, probably not

[potent matrix]

he does like his charon fries

[warm summit]

5 SECOND RULE

[potent matrix]

McCharon with them fries and burritos...

[warm summit]

anyway I know Zag eats the onions raw because ||after failing Erebus and then visiting Eurydice she'll comment you have onion breath||

[potent matrix]

i always thought there was a sandwich

[warm summit]

I'm pretty sure those are gyros

[potent matrix]

tru

gyros with fries

yum

[pallid birch]

You also ||get 1hp when you pick up the erebus onion||

[karmic jolt]

Does anybody know how to get patroclus and achilles back together?

Im already on the part where patroclus asked zag to tell achilles to “risk it all” but im just stuck now

[warm summit]

just keep visiting them

[karmic jolt]

Noted

[warm summit]

make sure you've gifted all the nectar you can?

but yeah it just took me ages to get it to progress, afaik it's just keeping alternating talking to them

and then Nyx when they're finally ready

[karmic jolt]

Ive already reach max on patroclus but theres a lock on it, guess i need to start on achilles then

[warm summit]

ah, yeah

Achilles is needed too 🙂

[potent matrix]

nyx is also important to get pretty high up with for any of the side stories that are linked to contracts

[warm summit]

since he's the other half of that relationship

[karmic jolt]

Alrighty

Ah ok

[warm summit]

you might have best luck getting Achilles dialogue by not doing clears with new weapons/aspects, since he comments on those

[karmic jolt]

Man this is gonna take quite the long time just to farm nectar

[warm summit]

I'm unsure if they override side story progress or not

you can always dump keys into it

[karmic jolt]

Yet i can mostly invest in gemstones

[warm summit]

for later game stuff, you'll have uses for gemstones

keys you finish up faster; I think

I guess it depends how you farm

[karmic jolt]

So i guess that fastest way to clear dialouge is by clearing tartarus and suicide in lava in asphodel?

Or just tartarus right then and there

[warm summit]

not sure

I just played runs for fun and died where I died 😛

[karmic jolt]

Yeah i guess

[warm summit]

also if you need nectar...

focus on dio and reroll rooms for it?

since dio has a boon that can give you a nectar

[karmic jolt]

Yeah i know about that

[warm summit]

could do that; go for getting dio's nectar boon, then die

so you'll come out of each run with at least the one nectar, if not more

[reef plank]

Lernie is now Lernie

[flat storm]

i managed to get dialog of zag asking euridice ||what Persephone was like, while she was back at the house||

[warm summit]

I love lernie

[meager yacht]

I have a few questions: will there be more times when you get to enter ||Hades bedroom||?

[potent matrix]

yes

after the ||true end|| you get to go into it anytime you want also either after ||true end|| or ||epilogue|| there will be another shade there that you can interact with, big spoiler: ||it's the resource director, he asks for certain items and darkness to give you rankups and badges||

[meager yacht]

Also, ||on romancing - what happens if I don't want to romance a certain character? Or if I back away from the threesome with than and meg? Saw it on youtube||

[warm summit]

I assume it doesn't happen

...never tried it

[potent matrix]

you can decide to friendzone them which is absolutely ok

[meager yacht]

Ok so it doesn't "harm" their relationship?

[potent matrix]

you wont lose anything with that ||except some different interactions with meg but if you dont want to romance them i'd guess you wont want to get in bed with her more often||

no it wont

being platonic with them is absolutely fine

[meager yacht]

Because I first thought you choose one and that's it.

And I already chose meg so to speak

[potent matrix]

it wont harm if you ||romance more than one of them||

platonic and poly relationships wont harm the story or npcs in any way

[meager yacht]

I see, well I am deciding still but I like the idea of keeping it to one person. But then again the multi-relationship thing is very greek mythology indeed

It just kinda doesn't sit well with me knowing than and meg are siblings

[potent matrix]

yeah you will also get multiple kinds of different dialogue ||from achilles and aphrodite at least?|| that will say it's ok too

than and meg arent real siblings tho

meg is only like a adoptive daughter to nyx

since she was the godess/mother of night she took them in, her only real children are than hypnos and charon

[meager yacht]

I see, well yeah

Also I know it's "just a game" hahaha but I apparently am making this quite a big deal

[potent matrix]

but i mean that would also make ||zag's and meg's relationship in the past weirder no? since hades told zag that nyx is his mom, and meg is told to be nyx daughter too...||

[meager yacht]

Exactly....

[potent matrix]

it's ok if you are, some are more triggered by stuff like that

hence why the added adoptive aspects i guess to make people alike feel less awkward about it

[meager yacht]

Watch me play a game on greek mythology and keep it monogamous and incest free hahahahaha

[warm summit]

yeah 😛

[potent matrix]

haha understandable :)

[meager yacht]

Well thank you very very much for clearing things up

[warm summit]

also there's dialogue saying it's okay ||from both Than and Meg||

[meager yacht]

And also answering my first question

[potent matrix]

i dont like the incest apects of mythology either but i guess stuff like that happens in royal families, especially if said royal families are also gods

[warm summit]

I think it is key to note, they may be "family" but they weren't all raised together?

and they're not blood related

[potent matrix]

they arent family by blood

with the "raised together" there are some issues with that inside the game

||like theres a portrait of child meg than and zag playing with cerberus|| even tho that doesnt fit with the timeline

[warm summit]

yeah that's weird

[potent matrix]

but eh time in hades is weird

[meager yacht]

I think in some sense it wasn't like "incest" for the greeks I think it was rather a way to talk about relationships and "what came out of what" but that makes it like one is mother and the other child and that's why it gets weird

[warm summit]

I mean

Athena grew from Zeus' forehead or something wasn't it? 😛

[potent matrix]

i mean, zeus is married to his sister by blood

yeah and dio's mother died while preggo so zeus took him as embryo and implanted him into his thigh and carried him out like that

[meager yacht]

Yes and Persephone is Hades' niece (Demeter and Hades are also siblings)

[potent matrix]

yes and no

some myths say demeter is daughter to a different titan

which means that they arent related at all

some other myths say persephone isnt daughter of demeter and mortal but demeter and zeus

[meager yacht]

Hades, Zeus, Poseidon, Hera, Hestia and Demeter are the 6 original siblings as far as I know from greek mythology

[potent matrix]

which would mean (if demeter is zeus' sister) that persephone is double related to hades

[clear harness]

someone knows if you can date various characters at the same time?

[potent matrix]

yes you can without repercussions

[meager yacht]

And some say she wasn't kidnapped by Hades but rather chose to leave olympus

[potent matrix]

yes

[clear harness]

cool thay you 🙂

thank*

[potent matrix]

some say she was forced by demeter to go down because the mortals were begging demeter to give the female dead a female goddess to be with

[meager yacht]

Well that clashes with the story about the sirens

[potent matrix]

all myths clash with others in some way tbf 😂

like the gorgons myth clashes with poseidon and medusa's origin myth

[meager yacht]

Cause the sirens were maids of Persephone that demeter turned into bird-women so they could fly around and seek her but when they came back without having found her...Demeter cursed them and didn't turn them back to normal. So they flew off and lived on an island where they would lure sailors by singing....and eating them

Like ye, that's the logical way to handle the whole situation

[potent matrix]

huh persephone's maids usually ere woodnymphs or nereids...

also: the myths regarding hades and persephone are very vague and really different inbetween versions

it took me 2 years to find a fully fledged out version that wasnt bare-bones "hades took persephone, she ate some stuff, demeter got mad, they are still soemhow together and that makes the seasons the end"

[karmic jolt]

Question: what benefit do i get by donating to the resources director or that one shade in the hades bedchambers?

[meager yacht]

Hahahaha that's a pretty good summary though

I don't know unfortunately, haven't gotten that far

[warm summit]

cosmetics only

also those are the same thing

[karmic jolt]

Hm

[warm summit]

I mean

it shows up on your end screen

so any victory screens you take you can brag about your contributions? 😛

[karmic jolt]

Yeah well i forgot what they were called until now and that was the last thing i remembered

[warm summit]

s'no problem just saying 🙂

[potent matrix]

shade in bedchambers: gives titles and badges
their name: resource director bro

[potent matrix]

good summary but infuriatingly little if you want to know how it happened

since hades wasnt really frolocking with his fam up above or on olympus, how did he know of her? how did he grow to love her? how did he take her without demeter the ultimative helicopter mom finding and smacking hades???

[meager yacht]

Well, she was maybe sleeping at the time :P

[flat storm]

gods don't need sleep!

[potent matrix]

gods dont need sleep

JINX

[flat storm]

DAMN IT

[meager yacht]

Maybe she wanted to try it out for once

Lol

I like how you guys are so well informed/educated on the different stories

[potent matrix]

studied mythology for 7 years :)))))))

my best friend from work is also a greek mythology professor

so yeah hades is my jam :D

[flat storm]

im not lol. i just like to learn from other people

[potent matrix]

:D

come together children we learn about some incestious mythology 'ere!

[flat storm]

there is no family tree for greek gods. theres a family bush

[potent matrix]

the woohoo bush from sims4

😂

shell i love you for putting this correlation into my head,thank you so much, you made my life brighter

i might actually not cry myself to sleep today

[flat storm]

haha, thats what i try to do!

[potent matrix]

😂

[flat storm]

both make peoples days brighter, and not cry myself to sleep

[potent matrix]

what a sad but also beautiful life?

[flat storm]

indeed

[potent matrix]

once a dusa hug gif exists you shall get all of mine

all the dusa hugs and nectar for you bro :)

[flat storm]

awww, thanks!

[meager yacht]

@potent matrix sorry for late reply, but that's impressive! I am greek and therefore it was kinda natural to grow up reading these stories but then again, I am nowhere near having studied it so much! Wow

[potent matrix]

i wish i could have more knowledge to actually study it further and deeper, i really like the teachings or greek mythology so yea :)

[meager yacht]

I grew up with stories and fairy tales from all over

Especially like Aesops tales too

Not mythology related but still

[woeful oar]

My gods! EM3... so happy I hadn't spoiled this for myself. Hilarious!

[flat storm]

agreed

[woeful oar]

Like I still think Theseus is terrible... but he's a little bit cool now lol

[potent matrix]

😂

[woeful oar]

The maniacal laughter really does something for me.

[potent matrix]

if you could date anybody, really any npc in the game, would thesius be the very last you'd date or is there someone wore in your opinion?

[flat storm]

i am genuinely trying to think at this, and i don't think there is

[potent matrix]

i would never date alecto

just big no

[flat storm]

alecto is pretty low

i completely forgot about her

god now i want to make a tier list of how dateable all the characters are

[potent matrix]

i'd rather have thesius laugh maniacally in my ear calling me a dirty demon or whatever but alecto's bloodlust and calling me redblood

YES

PLEASE

[flat storm]

OKAY

[potent matrix]

xD

resource director and house contractor dateable yes or no?

[flat storm]

haven't gotten resource director, but i could date the house contractor.

[potent matrix]

ah right you were the one

[flat storm]

soon though

[potent matrix]

:D

[flat storm]

how do you unlock him again?

[warm summit]

beat the game

[potent matrix]

after the ||true end!||

so beat the game ||10 times|| and you got him waiting in ||father dearest's bedroom||, beautiful

[flat storm]

oh, then i do have him!

[potent matrix]

:o

[rugged bough]

how many diamonds do i need to buy everything i need for the plot

got like 30 lying around i havent needed and wanna trade for ambrosias

im close to the feast plotline opening

[warm summit]

um

...I'm not sure actually, no more than 15

you don't need any for the feast plotline

you'd need them for the contract people

[rugged bough]

yeah i rather have heroic keepsakes than cosmetics

[warm summit]

I just don't recall how much those cost

[rugged bough]

i got all the non-cosmetic contractor upgrades

through the nyx/chaos favor

[warm summit]

looks like 12 to buy all the contracts

for keepsakes

[marsh sun]

Unlocking Erebus was also diamonds right?

[warm summit]

yeah, but should already be on the contractor

[dawn gazelle]

Spoilers for Orpheus storyline: ||so, something gave me a big scare. When orpheus was teleporting to asphodel after I had just freed him from his contract, hades said "Not a chance. Denied" to one of the shades and for an entire 3 seconds I thought that was about orpheus and he was going to be sent back hahaha||

[warm summit]

hah nice

[karmic jolt]

If i could pick any npc for a romance date, most likely Tisiphone

[potent matrix]

aww make her learn "happy"

[karmic jolt]

Zag hearing Tisiphone trying to say Zagreus is epic

[potent matrix]

ikr but please spoiler it for new players :)

[karmic jolt]

Oof ok

Forgot about that

[marsh sun]

But this is the spoilers channel and it only says to spoiler endgame content right?

[potent matrix]

just to be safe for new players that want to ask about a specific element of their story so far taht they dont understand not to get spoilered about something else :)

[glad frigate]

you ever just get to hydra, look at your damage and realise ||damn, dad's gonna murder me||

[warm summit]

yep

[cursive fable]

Question, so basically once you unlock|| The golden Olympus statue in the garden||, are you in the epilogue?

[warm summit]

yeah

[karmic jolt]

Question: Do i need to ||max out friendship with orpheus and eurydice|| so i can get more progress of them ||getting back together||?

[warm summit]

no ||they unlock when you get them back together||

[karmic jolt]

||I know that, bit when i check the friendship with orpheus, theres a lock on it. Yet, i need to give more nectar to eurydice||

[warm summit]

oh, then yes

||both need to be at the lock||

...I think

[near coral]

Question about Skelly: ||I can't see Skelly anymore in the courtyard. He disappeared after my 57th run when I finally escaped. Is he only there until the first escape, or is this a bug? I miss him.. ||

[storm river]

||Try equipping a different weapon||

[near coral]

ohh... I've only been using fists. I'll try the different weapons route. Thanks!

That worked 😄

[onyx siren]

Need some help

So I'm maxxed with everyone but hermes

And I can't unlock his hearts

[atomic forge]

Have you equipped a max level Plume and talked to him?

[onyx siren]

Do I need the ||lambent ploom maxed?||

Max level as in level 3, or at max dodge chance?

[atomic forge]

Level 3.

There's no cap.

[onyx siren]

Ah

No cap?

Does it stack between floors btw?

[atomic forge]

Yes.

[fiery reef]

Got the ending recently, very sweet and satisfying. I've looked around on the internet a bit and haven't found an exact guide for the epilogue, just do lots of runs and get high relationship w as many Gods as possible. Anything else I can/should do while going through these grinds?

[spice ice]

@fiery reef It depends on what you wanna max out. buy the lyre and practice, get boons to fulfill all the prophecies, get hecka gems cause you'll need them for house upgrades

[fiery reef]

how do I buy the lyre, and what is that exactly? (I know a lyre is an instrument but what do u mean by practice?)

and roger that!

I beat the game pretty quickly which on one hand makes me feel proud but on the other I still haven't finished the mirror upgrades (haven't even touched opposite side yet except for fated persuasion) and still getting new mechanics like only just recently unlocked 4th aspects

oh nice!

ty for the advice, I'll keep an eye out for it at the contractor

[storm river]

Also, you should play it more than once between runs

Just to speed it up, you know

[fiery reef]

btw how do erebus gates work?

I haven't pruchased them yet bc I heard you need higher heat to use them and I'm only on like 8 on my best wep (0-2 on the rest) so figured it wasn't worth bothering with yet

bringing it up here bc idk if erebus gates are a spoiler or not, apologies if this is the wrong channel

[atomic forge]

Each biome requires higher Heat to access the Erebus gate, and they contain progressively more difficult enemies.

[storm river]

In exchange for perfecting a room (0 damage), you get better rewards

[karmic jolt]

Basically you have to kill every mob without getting hit

[atomic forge]

Tartarus are 5, Asphodel are 10, Elysium are 15.

[fiery reef]

if you get hit even once you don't get the reward?

[karmic jolt]

Nope

[storm river]

You get an onion

[karmic jolt]

Well yes but actually no

[fiery reef]

interesting, seems like high risk moderate reward?

[storm river]

Which doesn't heal you for very much

[karmic jolt]

Mhm

by 1-2 hp

[fiery reef]

bc I think erebus gates have standard stuff you can get in other rooms

ahhh I see I see

ty for the advice

honestly very excited to get through the epilogue as well as do people's favors and get their companion thingies

still have a long way to go in collecting nectar and getting relationships up

I'm genuinely impressed I've done probably close to 30 runs and I don't think I've seen a single repeated piece of dialogue

outside maybe like the starting/ending remarks to trials of the gods

[karmic jolt]

Yeah, starting dialouge is a bunch which is pretty fun to discover, bit once you keep on progressing your gonna start getting one liners or just repeated dialouge

[fiery reef]

Yeah I figured as much, but at least for now I enjoy it.

The characters are so fun to listen to tbh

[karmic jolt]

Mhm

[fiery reef]

usually I skip through game dialogues but I really enjoy the voice acting and the conversations Zagreus has w the npcs

[open berry]

the olympians will run out of unique dialogue sooner generally (esp if theres certain ones you go after frequently) because they have less dialogue than the other npcs. but still theres like 20k lines of dialogue

[fiery reef]

holy crap that's insane

[open berry]

iirc the total word count is supposed to be around 300k

[karmic jolt]

Yeah, i love how every npc has their own charm and way of speaking that its pretty cool

But man, i think the best part of this game imo is the character design

[open berry]

zag takes up most of that 20k since he interacts with everyone but yeah its quite impressive, especially given that every single thing is voiced

[karmic jolt]

Ikr

You don’t get many rpg like games or any game in general with voice acting

[fiery reef]

the character design is pretty freaking awesome

All the characters have their own unique style and feel

Even the Gods, it would've been easy to make them all somewhat similar but they each feel distinct and interesting in their own ways

[atomic forge]

coughBloodofZeuscough

[storm river]

Tbf, they had to painstakingly animate everything

It would be unrealistic to expect art on the same level as SGG

[atomic forge]

"painstakingly" might be a little strong for the quality of animation I saw.

[storm river]

"For our next game, we're considering something like Cuphead. Do you think you can animate 100k frames in the next week?"

[karmic jolt]

Tbh, the people that animated every single frame in cuphead are the chads we should be

[fiery reef]

Cuphead animators are like legitimate inspiration

[atomic forge]

If I had a truly ludicrous amount of money I'd pay a group of people to animate a Cuphead music video set to Them Crooked Vulture's Gunman.

But I may be getting off-topic.

[cursive fable]

FINALLY! I got ||the conversation with dusa to bond the relationship||, that took way to long after|| i maxed out her hearts||

[warm summit]

nice!

[glad frigate]

It took forever for me too

[warm summit]

I got her pretty early but it took until past the epilogue to finish Achilles ><

[uneven elbow]

i finally got to the credits roll!! and ||ngl i'm a little sad because i had a really great build and i wanted to see how fast i could kill dad.||

[scarlet surge]

||i was actually with a very good build too when he let me through, is this a curse of some sort?||

[uneven elbow]

||he sensed it and was AFRAID||

[scarlet surge]

||I THOUGHT THE SAME THING||

[high sedge]

i....... maxed out dusa's hearts.... and.......

||I FEEL SO HEARTBROKEN||

||I HAD A HUGE CRUSH ON HER||

[potent matrix]

you are her platonic crush

[high sedge]

i mean i'm glad it worked out so nicely in the end with zag & her

but... still...

[potent matrix]

yeah

aro/ace love works differently

[high sedge]

yes indeed

[potent matrix]

(:

[high sedge]

ty for pointing that out, hadn't occurred to me!

the amount of love i have for her stays unchanged

what a pure soul

[potent matrix]

her character(growth) is honestly the best

[prime mulch]

eh i think dusa is pretty annoying

[misty marsh]

I need some advice for hypnos Locked heart.
He's the last one I need to solve.
I gathered ||that that something between him and Thanatos needs to happen. So essentially I need to play for Thanatos||.
Am I on the right track with that?

[drifting citrus]

yep

hypnos is notoriously tedious to unlock

[prime mulch]

the latest patch should speed it up faster now

[misty marsh]

That it needs ||Thanatos, who is never around and disappears after every interaction so you can't gift AND speek with him|| makes the progress really slow.

[high sedge]

😠

she's just anxious

[atomic forge]

It's happening again. https://gyazo.com/162c8dd3e8210e91786960408d1f26ed

[gloomy basalt]

|| got to heat level 20 with shield.. but I can't do heat level 21?... do I have to get to heat level 20 with all weapons before I can get higher heat level on shield? ||

[potent matrix]

you can always go above - there just isnt any bounty yet

[gloomy basalt]

ah ok... || are all weapons limited to how much heat you can max on them? ||

[potent matrix]

?

[gloomy basalt]

|| oh.. I get what you mean.. basically.. I can do heat 21.. but get no more rewards... ||

[potent matrix]

yes since they arent necessary anymore

[gloomy basalt]

is it darkness they give instead?

[potent matrix]

yes

and gems if you get that upgrade from house contractor

[gloomy basalt]

yeah.. I level up heat with all weapons anyways... only a heat or two behind with the other weapons.. still need a few more blood to max everything,... 😄

thanks 🙂

[potent matrix]

sure thing :)

btw in the whole game you get 6x21x2 blood, so yeah you really dont need more bounties above 21 as of now :D

[fiery reef]

I dont see the lyre under bedchambers upgrades, do I need to buy more items first from bedchambers?

[potent matrix]

you need: ||Orpheus' Recommendation, Have 24 Contractor Upgrades, Court Musician's Sentence|| to get lyre unlocked

[storm river]

Yeah, zag doesn’t decide out of nowhere to play the lyre

[fiery reef]

I have the latter two but not sure what the first one is

[potent matrix]

you need to talk many times to orpheus and have him recommend that you try music

i think there are 3 dialogues about this specifically?

[fiery reef]

Alrighty, ty

[potent matrix]

sure thing :)

[lilac latch]

I had the dialogue where ||Eurydice gives me the sheet music to Good Riddance but it isn't showing at the music stand, I gave it to Orpheus but haven't heard him sing it yet.|| I should be able to buy it though?

[jovial ravine]

I think it takes some tiem?

[potent matrix]

you need to have the lyre unlocked and bought first

[lilac latch]

Just to unlock at the music stand? That doesn't sound right :/

[potent matrix]

nope you need lyre before you can buy the sheetmusic for ||good riddance||

[lilac latch]

From everything I've read, you're the only person to say this. There was even a dev on Steam forums who said it's a bug that needs fixing and they'd do it in the future patch

[misty marsh]

So... what exactly do Themes do?

[potent matrix]

make the victory screen and your boon stats pretty

||"Lyre, Splendid
Bedroom Decor: Creates beautiful music, if you know how...

• Usage: Required for Good Riddance "||

[upper warren]

Question
Why does theseus get the power of gods

I always wondered

Why they are helpin the guy trying to end me

[potent matrix]

because he is a hero

Theseus is a former hero and king of Athens, most famous for slaying the Minotaur. Oft called the great king of Athens, the hero Theseus is nonetheless best-known for his deeds earlier in life; deeds great enough to earn his immortal soul a place of high honor in hallowed Elysium. Now he reigns in this heaven of ours much as I understand he reigned in life; with pride and confidence both in abundance. The kings I knew in life aspired to the same.

gods love heroes so they give him their affection

i still wonder why poseidon give him his help too tho, they dont have that great of a history and well ||he does ask you to beat theseus up to humble him||

[fathom current]

The definition of “hero” has changed over the course of time.

[potent matrix]

tru

[warm summit]

Poseidon asks you to do that because ||Theseus was saying the chariot was the best thing he'd ever received and Poseidon had granted him a boon while he was alive, so Poseidon was pissed off that Theseus was saying the chariot was better than the boon||

[potent matrix]

ah right that was the whole convo, thanks for refreshing my memory!

ok yeah nvm that was a different story completely that i remembered with theseus and poseidons bad family :))))))

[zealous wind]

ah that makes sense

I thought Poseidon was just being fickle

[fiery reef]

Is the thanatos achievement glitched?

The other day I got there kills to his 7 but I didn't get the one for 15 or more kills than him

23 kills* not there lol

wait nvm it's there I'm dumb lol

[ebon rose]

So, apparently my first battle before Hermes told me about his wager counted towards it. I beat Charon a second time and it just said it counts!

[smoky nacelle]

i have a question for you guys, it's a spoler so i didn't want to put it in main chat but it's not story specific so is it ok to ask here?

[ebon rose]

Spoiler tag it if you feel it's necessary

[smoky nacelle]

cool, can do

so I have been experimenting with the ||punishment pact|| options, ||i bumped extreme measures up to 4 and i did jut fine until getting to hades, who absolutely wrecked me. Thing is, I can't tell, what exactly changed with his fight?||

[storm river]

||He heals from his vases, third phase||

Probably more

[smoky nacelle]

||he was doing way more to me even in his first phase, it seemed like there were more enemies too, though that could just be me||

wait

||did you say third phase? as in he has a third phase?||

[potent matrix]

||em4 :))))))))||

[smoky nacelle]

oh

oh no

oh noooooo

that's wild

[lunar kiln]

EM4 spoilers
||hades gets a 3rd phase
he does 2 spin attacks consecutively instead of just one
he can throw his spear and dash to it much like achilles' aspect
he summons exclusively minibosses
he can heal from the green urns (roughly 1,5k hp every 2 seconds)||

[smoky nacelle]

i feel like ||the first two levels|| aren't that bad, but damn i guess ||the last ones really bump up the difficulty huh||

ooohhhhhhh

that makes a lot of sense

[lunar kiln]

also ||you can no longer dodge his laser move by "hugging" him||

there's one last surprise too but you'll discover it yourself

[smoky nacelle]

i was too focused to notice exactly what was different, but now that you laid it out, it makes a lot of sense

[lunar kiln]

overall his moves are a bit more complex and unpredictable

[smoky nacelle]

oh snap, i didn't realize that was a think you could do in the first place lol

yeah i was getting pretty good at the fight, but it just wrecked me

i was so excited about the build too

i had just absurd mobility

7 dashes, the fists upgrade that zooms you to an enemy, +20% move speed, and the zeus boon that makes lightning strike when you dash

also a bunch of attack up things

it was sweet

and i still got destroyed

[lunar kiln]

oh also ||during the 2nd phase and onwards he summons green urns passively||

as in he doesn't need to stop to summon them

[smoky nacelle]

r00d

lol

i'm excited though

i want to try it again

[lunar kiln]

he will sometimes but

and again there's one more cool thing to watch out for

[smoky nacelle]

i'll figure it out on my own, i got it

thanks for the breakdown though

i appreciate it!

[lunar kiln]

ur welcome

[rugged bough]

how do i get the feast storyline to start, i have several bonds with gods as well as persephone and hades and have completed like 50 runs or so

[storm river]

Have you tried talking to your mom?

[warm summit]

I think you just need more gods bonded

[rugged bough]

frequently lol

every run

i call my actual mom

[dawn gazelle]

ok so the thing where you need to max at least 5 god's hearts to progress with the epilogue story thing

What if I already had one maxed before that started?

Does that count towards the total?

[drifting citrus]

yes

[dawn gazelle]

ok cool thanks

[small wagon]

does playing orpheus' lament on the machine make him more likely to sing it?

[humble lotus]

Any tip on catching legendary fish. Im having a hard time

[storm river]

There can only be three false bobs at most

[drifting citrus]

if you're on controller, i heard just focusing on the vibration really helps

on pc, cover the bob with your finger and focusing on the flash of light instead

[humble lotus]

im on switch. i dont think ive ever gotten a perfect catch

[somber pendant]

on pc with a controller is easy, on a 360 controller it vibrates harder when you caught it

[humble lotus]

alright i normally do the vibrate ill try the light

will it say perfect catch even if its not a legendary?

[rocky dirge]

Yes

[humble lotus]

welp... failed haha

[storm river]

I think perfect catch guarantees you at least a rare tho

[humble lotus]

i feel like i get rares often

[rocky dirge]

Someone once mentioned that the time between a fakeout and a true bite is always the same, so if it takes too long it will always be another fakeout

[humble lotus]

also do i just never have a chance to catch the sturgeon?

[gusty compass]

i got a rare fish in a chaos room once

[storm river]

I think sturgeon is surface fish only

[rocky dirge]

Sturgeon, Bass and Trout are all surface fish.

[humble lotus]

yea i mean im past that part of the story... like i dont go there anymore

[rocky dirge]

They'll appear in the final arena

[somber pendant]

yep

[humble lotus]

ahh ok

[storm river]

Nah, once you're there, it'll start spawning in the final boss area

[rocky dirge]

Which, if you noticed, is on the surface

[humble lotus]

true

[midnight silo]

Hihi, is there any chance since the stages for the cottage and the path there already exist we could get a sequence where Zagreus actually goes to tend the garden and Charon just takes you home after each run. I miss the opportunity to fish in the different places, and the art was so pretty. A nice bright spot to contrast the dark colours of the rest of the game.

[humble lotus]

i was very surprised when it got locked off

WOOO i did it

thanks for the tips!

caught a Stonewhal

there were 3 fake ones so that tip helps

[somber pendant]

It works really similar to fishing in 3 houses

[spiral raft]

||im asuming bringing persefone is the true ending and fixing the demeter situation is the epilogue?||

@midnight silo charion is a busy man but thatd be cool

[karmic jolt]

The most criminal thing you could do: ||not greeting the shade in elysium||

[somber pendant]

||Pat?||

[karmic jolt]

||in the theseus & asterius fight||

[somber pendant]

Ohhhh

[karmic jolt]

Its criminal

[somber pendant]

Yeah

It would almost ||make you as bad as the king says you are||

[glad frigate]

anyone know how many times i gotta ||strum my damn lyre||

[prime mulch]

200 approximately

probably reduced with the recent patch

[fathom current]

Just strum like twice per run

More if you aren’t doing anything or antsy

[glad frigate]

:(

[somber pendant]

Lyre?

[glad frigate]

Yeah?

[rocky dirge]

Remember to talk to Orpheus often so you trigger the actual dialogue that makes you improve

[gloomy basalt]

is it just me.. but.. do you kind of avoid the ||Trial of Gods|| fight more.. I usually find better builds if I ignore those encounters..

[glad frigate]

I like doing them just because its ||double boons|| and all of them are relatively easy

[gloomy basalt]

I get that... but then I get all common stuff from then on.. if I skip those rooms.. I'm usually rewarded better in the long run

give it a try.. force yourself not to take the || Trial of the Gods || encounters.. you'll see 😄

[glad frigate]

I wouldnt think those rooms would affect the rarity of boons in the future

[gloomy basalt]

I think it does...

try it.. do a few runs... not taking them..

not just the rarity.. but helps with giving more boons you need... rather than the rairty..

oh.. and I know this isnt the boosting room... but I did a Perfect Clear today... killing Hades.. without taking any damage.. quite proud :D...

[fathom current]

Placebo effect

Since the room is a higher difficulty, it has a chance to give you a higher rarity, whereas other typical boon rooms do not.

Seems like a very out-of-the-way feature if it actually did lower your luck for future rooms, there wouldn’t be any reason for it otherwise, for story or balance purposes.

[gloomy basalt]

am actually sitting deciding to take a room.. artenms/athena... I'm gonna take a pass... I know my build will get stronger

[fathom current]

Dude that’s like really good

[gloomy basalt]

lol

[fathom current]

Besides, rarity differences are nice, but you don’t necessarily need them, considering future poms and Styx.

[gloomy basalt]

I always try to hunt for Elusive Access... all future boons are Epic..

love that

[fathom current]

Oo

*oh yeah, #h1-builds-and-combat *

[atomic forge]

Getting exclusive access in Tartarus is just the best

[gloomy basalt]

got it in Tart today... the whole run was just... sweeett.. in fact.. thats the one I didnt even get hit by Hades.. Perfect Clear 😄

[atomic forge]

That's good, I still can't no-hit the Hades fight

[gloomy basalt]

I didnt even aim for that.. I was half way though and went... "shsiziizizsdi'... not been hit...

anyways.. it was EA boon that helped me with that

it's Awesome if you hit in Tart as you said

[atomic forge]

has anyone compiled all the cutscenes between realms of the underworld . i really wanna see what the entire underworld looks like

[open berry]

they've never touched the lyre quest, the required amount is the same as its always been

[open berry]

assuming you meant the underworld map https://twitter.com/_joannetran/status/1309192179701575681

[atomic forge]

cool

[rugged bough]

Sea gods spite quest - do I need to beat EM3 Theseus then find Poseidon on same run, or just keep talking to him and I’ll get the ambrosias eventually? Already beat him a few times, not sure

[open berry]

i think theoretically it should work if you find your first poseidon boon post elysium but that means forcing a boon in styx and wasting a keepsake, so you may as well just force him at the start of a new run. its not a guaranteed thing though

the way the dialogue system works doesnt really allow for specific dialogue to be guaranteed to pop up at any given time

oh wait no it has to be on your next run, same run wont work

[rugged bough]

the immediate next run?

[open berry]

yes

[rugged bough]

gotcha. thanks

[open berry]

it may take a few attempts but its easier to just use the conch to force poseidon at the start of the following run and see if he'll complete the prophecy for you

if its still not popping up, hm.. like i said theres not really a way to force dialogue but mine didnt come up til i turned off em3, did some runs, and then turned it back on, so just fiddle around with it until wave uncle decides to play nice

[rugged bough]

Gotcha. So no need to keep turning on em3 then

[open berry]

you'll need it for the prophecy regardless, but if poseidon isnt cooperating, you could always try turning it off and then back on later and see if it dislodges his dialogue

eventually you'll exhaust his dialogue if hes being particularly uncooperative and wont give up the dialogue lol but hopefully you wont have to go through that

but i can say that he wont comment on it at all unless you took out em3 theseus on your previous run

[remote stream]

hey I've been trying to get Dusa's bond but I have it maxed out, it hasn't happened in a while and looking it up to see if it was a glitch was inconclusive. Am I just getting terrible RNG?

Nyx fired Dusa before she could return the ambrosia, so I was wondering if that was a scripting error and my save is lost or...?

[heady rain]

its the right sequence

[remote stream]

ok, so do i just need to wait or is it bugged?

[heady rain]

just wait

[remote stream]

alright

I'll ask again if it doesn't happen soon

[heady rain]

it took me a few days from the firing to the ambrosia return

[remote stream]

okie doke

thanks I have paranoia about scripting bugs in video games preventing me from beating/100%ing them

[rugged bough]

i did the ambrosia return well before the firing, but i was also putting time and nectar into nyx/chaos at the same time

[fallow iron]

can u get

2 chambers with fishes in it?

like one next to another

[karmic jolt]

Don’t think so

[fallow iron]

i literally saw a stream and that happened

im shocked

in 200 hours of gameplay that didnt happened to me ever

[fathom current]

I guess Theseus has nothing to say about a full Hades call.

[wraith ruin]

yo so im at the point where zag just asked Hades about sisyphus' punishment

how do i continue it to get the contract thing and free sisyphus from the punishment to get the companion

[cursive fable]

Something that the game dosent tell you, ||you need to talk to bouldy i think twice, yes you can talk to bouly and he will not have a "!"||

[wraith ruin]

||so after u talk to him u can find the contract?||

[cursive fable]

next time you get his room,|| talk to bouldy 1st, then sisyphus, and he will say something like "see how good of a listener he is" and will move the story onwards||

[wraith ruin]

aight

||also||

||didnt know the thing where skelly asks u to lvl the aspect o full was part of the thing to get his companion, and was actually surprised when i got it||

lol

[cursive fable]

||neither did I, I actually got really sad for that quest, i thought he was gonna disappear ||

also just a tip, ||dusa took forever for me to bond her relationship, like i finally bonded after my 180th run||

||i thought it was bugged for a while because I was already in prolog and she wasnt giving me any new "!"||

[wraith ruin]

huh

[cursive fable]

i heard it might be rng based

[wraith ruin]

oof so if it is rng then somehow u could go to your 300th run and still not get it

[cursive fable]

maybe, i might of gotten unlucky, but something I just heard from 1 person, so not a relable source, exacly like how im telling you lol

[wraith ruin]

oh ye btw

im using aspect of nemesis
which hammer should i get >.<
Shadow slash, Supernove or cruel thrust

[cursive fable]

oof, never used nemesis before

[wraith ruin]

basically loads of crit hits

[cursive fable]

i am not the person to ask about synergy, i tend to be wrong a lot about what i think is "OP"

i just have a weird play style haha

[karmic jolt]

After 102 runs, i finally ||got orpheus and eurydice back together and finally released sisyphus|| also got both the ||thanatos and dusa companions||

[hard copper]

it's pretty cool how things happen all at once after a certain amount of time

[rugged bough]

Facts

[fallen knot]

i just beat ||hades|| for the first time with this doom build on the adament rail that had impending doom, dire misfortune, and the 3 round burst mod with the hammer and it feels so good.

[hard copper]

that sounds like a difficult build to get going

I don't think I've ever tried the rail with anything other than lightning

I hear hangover stuff is good too

[fallen knot]

the rail with dire misfortune and doom can be do a lot of damage and i had the 3 rounds burst mod so i did not have to reload and i got a lot of stacks

[split sinew]

hey guys how can i get the end of torment

end my torment

[drifting seal]

i was ready for anything the 3rd extreme measure was going to throw at me

i was not ready for that

[remote stream]

sorry, to the person who helped me with my Dusa problem, did you mean it took you in-game days or real-life days to get the dialogue needed?

cause it still hasn't happened yet

[potent matrix]

well every time you die you get new dialogue, so just die alot to get the dialogue further, and for dusa specifically: there are also important dialogues that need to happen with nyx? if that helps?

[remote stream]

it's just that there have been ample opportunities for the dialogue to trigger and it hasn't and i'm panicking

[potent matrix]

thats just because of the dialogue rng being very weird

[remote stream]

there she just did it again

[sleek wigeon]

ahha i have found the peoples

[remote stream]

why are these things not scripted to always happen come on Supergiant get it together

[potent matrix]

happens to all of us, just have to wait it out and if it doesnt happen for a very long concerning time you might look for help in the tech support channel

well because there are too many sideplots alongside the main plot to script it in a good way that it always works

like nyx is important for all the sideplots and i think two of the romances so scripting everything around her would make it take a longer time than basing it off as rng for every npc i'd say

[storm pond]

How do i give ambrosia to people? Do i need to give a certain amount of nectar first? and how do i get thanatos past the locked heart?

[storm river]

Yeah, you need to give nectar up to the locked heart first

then, once you complete their favor, you can give them ambrosia

For thanatos, ||I think you just need some dialogue after you beat him in one of his contests||

[storm pond]

he hasn't shown up at all the last 3 runs i've done

another question, how do i ||break the contract for eurydice? it has shown up in my prophecies as a task to do but talking to both her and orpheus several times hasn't indicated how to do it||

[nova flume]

@storm pond have you ||spoken to hades/nyx about it? both have dialogue you need to see, then you buy it out with diamonds, same as the other contracts||

[rocky dirge]

Eurydice doesnt have a "contract". Just keep talking to her and Orpheus

[storm pond]

Hasn't shown up yet, I'll keep talking to them I guess

[nova flume]

^ that too, i think of orphy/eurydice as a unit haha! sorry

[sterile blaze]

I think they did

or at least had romantic interest for sure

[red bough]

They were when they were alive

[spiral raft]

hey guys on the steam archivement || Bad Call Use an Olympian's Greater Call against them in a Trial || by a trial they mean when they let you choose betweent two boons?

[red bough]

Yes

[spiral raft]

well rip could have done it before and thought it was a cool thing where u fought the gods themselves

[red bough]

You have to use a max god gauge call against the god whom you pissed off (by not picking their boon), of that same god

[spiral raft]

yeye

thanks

[atomic forge]

oh my god the fight with hades with the chaos egg is hillarious

hahah

why egg tho

[spiral raft]

egg

[atomic forge]

epic

also got the epilogue for the first time

my god was that a pleasing ending

[spiral raft]

just did it too i was like who the hell is lauging while hades was descending took me a sec to realize

[atomic forge]

i was anxious all the time when taking boons

[atomic forge]

hahah

[spiral raft]

@red bough do you by chance know if hades call gives u the archivement? id make sense i think

[red bough]

no

i did it and he just says WHAT!??!

[spiral raft]

what trigger the fight with charion prompt?

[fickle raven]

aaaah i beat hades finally

[spiral raft]

nce

first scape is the hardest

[thin niche]

any tips for beating Charon twice in a row? beat him once already and scared to mess up the streak

[prime mulch]

fight him only in elysium and use god mode if u will

[thin niche]

alrighty

but I feel like I dont get the coin in Elysium, only in Tartarus most of the time

[prime mulch]

ye its rng so

[spiral raft]

just fight him when u feel confident u can beat him

[round ermine]

I never feel confident I can beat him.

I never beat him but one time I almost did

He feels harder than hades in my opinion

[prime mulch]

he feels harder since ur not in full build when u fight him

[potent matrix]

does somebody know how much damage he does?

cause even if you find him in elysium he is sick strong

[prime mulch]

the single strikes is pretty strong iirc

[potent matrix]

yeah exactly, ||the stunning aura ||isnt that bad but once he brings ||the lightsaber|| out, i'm scared

[prime mulch]

just learn to master ur iframes

[woeful oar]

Maybe I've been lucky, or maybe it's just my playstyle works better with Charon, but I haven't had much trouble with him. Only fought him twice though. Hades EM4 otoh...

[spiral raft]

around 50 dmg? i remember 42

not sure tho

didnt have em 4 when i played with it i was kinda sad cuz i want to see hades

and elysium em is kinda easy

[woeful oar]

Asterius destroys me. Probably because I'm too impatient. He hits like a truck though.

[prime mulch]

asi honestly never had problem withasterius, even on my first 10 runs

[spiral raft]

ye asterius gets tougher but the king really dosent

[prime mulch]

em4 hades i just cheese it with poseidon call and smoldering

[spiral raft]

i did use bow so i guess thers that

[woeful oar]

Bow would probably help. I get nailed by the aoe when he lands.

Always moving in too soon.

[prime mulch]

u know ur iframes can bypass those melee atks right

[somber estuary]

Doesn't the achievement require you get lucky and take all middle shops to fight him twice in one run? I beat him twice without losing to him but they were on different runs and it didn't count.

[prime mulch]

not in one run

[somber estuary]

huh

[prime mulch]

u need to beat him three times

[somber estuary]

oooh

Hermes only said 2 I thought

[atomic forge]

You need to beat him two fights in a row.

You don't have to challenge him twice in a row.

[prime mulch]

yea probably he disdnt count ur first win

[atomic forge]

You can fish for two Elysium fights.

[somber estuary]

Ah

[woeful oar]

I beat charon once. Then Hermes said do it twice in a row. I beat him again and got the thing.

[marsh sun]

For the fated list of prophecies quest where it says to catch 25 fish does it mean 25 different species?

[native depot]

It doesn't have to be in one run thankfully.

[atomic forge]

I think total.

[native depot]

I'm still trying to catch every fish 250 fish in.

So many many fish.

And yet not enough.

[marsh sun]

But the quest is just species right? Because otherwise I have like 80.

[dull spear]

Can we talk about how hot Persephone must have been

Like she’s still kinda a milf baddie now but, when she was sons younger?? Smokeshow

Eons*

Just me? Oops

[idle thorn]

Just beat Hades! So happyyyyyy

[rocky dirge]

GGs

Now do it again

[idle thorn]

on it!

[storm river]

I think I’ve caught every type of fish by now, but I still need to fill out the entries for chaos fish

The fish in chaos are easiest to miss

[marsh sun]

Persephone's art looked a bit cartoony to me compared to other cthonic gods, I guess it's just opinion. Zagreus does look like her a bit.

[marsh sun]

I've only gotten a projelly and mati(?) I think.

[rocky dirge]

Well, Persephone is half-mortal in this game, and not Chthonic at all so it makes sense she doesnt look like the rest

[marsh sun]

Are you implying that mortals are cartoons? As a mortal I am offended

jk

but yea I was a but surprised the first time her dialog picture showed up. Their family portrait is definitely a better look.

[torpid vine]

I loved her, because she looked so much like Zag.

[vestal quail]

Man, I remember literally just stopping to stare at her portrait the first time and just needing to be like "omg she's so beautiful"

"She's got Zag's spiky anime hair"

[marsh sun]

The family portrait?

[torpid vine]

She does!

[vestal quail]

no, the one from the surface, her character portrait that pops up when you talk to her

kinda miss the down to earth look now that I think about it

Almost as much as I miss the shed

[marsh sun]

This? https://hades.gamepedia.com/File:Persephone_Portrait.png

Interesting I never felt that way about that, again opinions probably.

[torpid vine]

Yeah, I love it. It's so warm-feeling and a lot of her features are reflected in Zag.

[vestal quail]

Yes!

I really like that look, I don't know why

but I do

Like don't get me wrong, underworld queen persephone looks really rad, but there's something about that first look

[marsh sun]

I prefer the style in which Nyx, Thanatos, Hades are drawn personally but I think achievement wise I agree with you, it was definitely a great moment meeting Persephone for the first time.

https://hades.gamepedia.com/File:Nyx.png

[torpid vine]

When on the Overworld, she's a Spring Goddess. So her clothing is more relaxed and comfortable, and she seems more natural to me. When she gets back to the Underworld, she has to face a whole bunch of anxieties about her relationships, her grimmer duties, and whether she can even be a good mother to a son who never knew her during his childhood.

[rocky dirge]

She's more of a Harvest goddess, really

[marsh sun]

Are they credited to different artists I'm curious now. I'll check when I'm back.

[torpid vine]

She's the goddess of spring in a few versions, though she was very important to the harvest. Alongside her mother.

[marsh sun]

Also the story progression is so slow now. I'm wondering when ill find out about || how and what master plan of handling olympians unfolds ||

[torpid vine]

And the artist is the same, to my knowledge, Zed.

And Nyx's design is just freaking incredible. But she's Chthonic and vaguely eldritch by modern standards. Night Incarnate. I'd love to see what the rest of her family looks like.

I know that the Chthonic gods like Nyx, Thanatos, and Hypnos were given Egyptian adornments to distinguish them from the Olympians.

From what I can find out at a quick glance, Jen Zee did the character design, and Paige Carter did the 3D models.

[marsh sun]

Before I go I wanted to post a WIP of Zagreus with my favorite aspect but I can't seem to post pictures here

[torpid vine]

There's a fan works channel!

[young vale]

Just had my strongest hades run ever in which I finally got a duo I was looking for too, and I get to my dad, and he lets me go without fighting ... lol wtf was looking forward to a fight

[cobalt spade]

So, can you get back to ||Greece (the garden)|| after you've beaten the story and gotten the credits and all that jazz?

[atomic forge]

||nope||

[slender frost]

Okay so I just beat game for 7th time and ||Persephone told me she doesn't want me to return because Olympus might find out where she is. So if Olympus finds her on the surface, there'll be war. If she's found in the Underworld, there'll be war... why? I thought Olympus would only be mad if they found out she was hiding in the human realm. Where are they expecting her to be?||

[willow oak]

Im pretty sure only Zeus knew she left Olympus. So if the rest of them found out it would be out of zeus's hands. At least thats how I interpreted it

[slender frost]

yeah but she could just return. but she'd rather stay on the surface world rather than be with her son. smh

[willow oak]

The big problem is Demeter

Just keep playing my dude, it gets explained

[slender frost]

k

[willow oak]

But know that the big problem is Demeter, and make sure to read! :)

[somber estuary]

||Being found on the surface with Zag would also be bad because even if most of them wouldn't make the parentage connection immediately, it would signal to them that the Cthonics knew where she was and were therefor involved somehow and Zeus wouldn't be keen to admit his part.||

[raven skiff]

||Is it possible to miss Meg's romance event entirely? I don't think I maxed out her nectar until like my 4th or 5th completion and now I've even seen the epilogue and she hasn't showed up to the room once... ||

[marsh sun]

It takes a while, I hear its random number of encounters.

[raven skiff]

50~ ish hours since I maxed out the nectars seems a bit excessive though

[marsh sun]

Did she talk to you about ||extreme measures||?

[somber estuary]

Mmmmm... what about getting the conversations between her and Dusa or her and Nyx?

[raven skiff]

Yep I've gotten those

[karmic jolt]

Is it normal for ||thanatos being invisible after giving him ambrosia and then teleporting away?||

[onyx sierra]

Has anyone gotten to the part where ||sisyphus thinks zag dating meg and than is a rumour and blatantly roasts them and zag is just like 👉👈 "um yes i love them" I was d y i n g it was so awkward and embarrassing||

[onyx sierra]

Like during the run ??

[pure rune]

Speaking of which, ||if I already got the bedroom scene with one of them, is it still possible to get the one where both of them get involved?||

[onyx sierra]

I think u need both ?

[karmic jolt]

Nah, ||i gave him ambrosia in the house, he then left, i go to zag’s room, and then go back to thanatos’ spot, but he’s invisible yet i can talk to him||

[onyx sierra]

But ||meg will randomly yoink you from the lounge sometimes, so i dont know if its random or leading up to the scene with all of them||

[open berry]

def sounds like a bug

[karmic jolt]

Zag is talking to himself

[open berry]

are you on pc or switch

[karmic jolt]

Switch

[open berry]

oh rip then

[karmic jolt]

Meh, i don’t care

[open berry]

iunno how they handle bug reports for switch

[karmic jolt]

All i know is that Zag actually is living alone in the house after all

[onyx sierra]

Zag always talks to himself

He also talks to the statues in the hallway

I still wish hed accidentally break one when poking it lol

[karmic jolt]

schizophrenia

[glad frigate]

Is there some specific dialogue for ||Aphro's favour? I have the prereqs||

[fast idol]

She comments everytime your ||love live|| advances

[glad frigate]

Yeah but ive completed all of those

[deft moon]

So do i really need to beat ||hades 10 times for the credit roll?||

[glad frigate]

Yes

[boreal fox]

I laughed so hard when chaos ||basically told me that they wanted to play hide-and-seek with nyx||

[upper warren]

Made it to the epilogue
I think
I see credits

It definitely wasnt the run I was expecting

I was just messing around with ||Arthur||

I was like "okay , 4 DDs , 250 health , a bunch of boons , there is no way I can lose this fight "
Boss: ||" Just go "||
" Oh "

I was so prepared

[marble frost]

https://tenor.com/view/doctorwho-mattsmith-eleven-riversong-spoilers-gif-5076667

[frosty plaza]

I love chaos as a character

[warm summit]

There should be special dialogue when Theseus finishes Asterius.

[warm summit]

Yeah my run was like that too

[atomic forge]

threesome how

[warm summit]

can't

only in headcanon, but you can imagine whatever you'd like

[coarse raptor]

Huh? Can’t what?

[warm summit]

no threesome in game

[coarse raptor]

I... huh? There totally is haha

[warm summit]

oh?

I know you can be in relationships with two different people, but that's not the same as a threesome

perhaps I just haven't randomed enough runs yet

[coarse raptor]

Maybe I’m wrong, keep playing 😉

[potent matrix]

||if you time their hearts right you may actually lay with them both at the same time, happy threesome everybody||

[atomic forge]

||does it require timing? Does it ever happen again?|| @potent matrix

[potent matrix]

||it requires you to get them both to max in the same time at the house of hades i'd say nope it doesnt||

[atomic forge]

||aw, I maxed my relationship with Meg already, so no more scenes with here?|| @potent matrix

[potent matrix]

||there can be random scenes where (if you romanced her instead of friendzoning) she might ask you to lay in zags room but never with than again after the romancing has been done||

[atomic forge]

aw, ||I wanted to make her my wife. ||

[whole sable]

can't upload files here so ||https://imgur.com/a/mKPlT4D||

||some unused stuff in-game||

[atomic forge]

that looks broken

[potent matrix]

since she is the embodiment of the sexual love in greek mythology (from the three being sexual ||meg|| platonic ||dusa|| and romantic ||than||) sadly no wife-ing :c

[whole sable]

Probably why it isn't used, Usui.

Imagine getting shared suffering damage for a whole line of enemies not once, but twice.

😩

||https://imgur.com/a/gDWapnB||

||more unused||

[rocky dirge]

Twin Shot tho

[whole sable]

@rocky dirge tested it, the return depends on range

it doesn't work with twin shot

sadly

if you don't shoot far enough it doesn't return

[rocky dirge]

No, I mean, Twin Shot is double shared suff-- nvm

[whole sable]

Just do the big brain play and shoot three different lines of enemies with triple shot

duh

[deft moon]

how can i get meg to spawn in the house so I can continue her affinity? I'm currently at 6. Next one is locked.

died a bunch of times on purpose but didnt work

[rocky dirge]

It's random

Though I've heard that defeating her increases the chances

I wouldnt put a ton of stock in that

Just keep playing the game, it'll happen eventually

[whole sable]

does FO make enemies spawn faster

[modest cloud]

not much of a spoiler, but

i have maxed bond with cerberus and now i have some extra stuff in the talisman page

does maxing a bond add anything to the talisman or is it there just for the sake of being there

[rocky dirge]

It does

Which is why speedrunners turn it on

[potent matrix]

yeah it just adds cosmetics ||a little chibi of them and a message from them||

[modest cloud]

ty

[sweet swift]

Will anything happen if || I gift Bouldy enough nectar? Will I be able to eventually gift ambrosia to them? ||

[storm river]

If only you could gift Bouldy ambrosia

||You get a boon from Bouldy, tho, for gifting them nectar, called Heart of Stone, minor buffs to things such as gold gain||

[sweet swift]

Oooo okay ty ty

[marsh sun]

Question on bouldy - || I gifted nectar a few times and kept getting either damage reduction or increased damage % but then suddenly for 2 runs I got 'ambiguity bonus' which I didn't understand||

[atomic forge]

As far as we know, it does nothing. Some people say it gives you higher chances for duo/legendaries to appear

[prime mulch]

basically: Schrödinger's boon

[marsh sun]

As long as it does something I guess

[atomic forge]

It does make your build more ambiguous anyway lol

[marsh sun]

[true kelp]

[flint shard]

question on the gift of song prophecy, can it be completed???

[drifting citrus]

yes

it just takes a lot of interactions

[flint shard]

how many XD

im at >150 runs xD

ive been hitting that lyre some 50+ times by now

[atomic forge]

i read it takes 200? cmiiw

[sweet swift]

|| Can you romance every character you can romance in one save file, without consequences? ||

[atomic forge]

yes

Whats up with Hypnos bond? I have gotten all other bonds, bought every single contractor upgrade ( except with 100nectar) etc etc. Havent seen Thanatos at his emo ledge in about 10 deaths. Have even completed end-end game quest

[atomic forge]

Hit lyre 10 or so times- die- hit again- die- untill you start having lessons from Orpheus. Keep hitting and dying until you get talking promts with him regarding your music skills 3 times, afterwards youll get the prophecy. You will start to play some melodies and sound pieces, and you can actually notice the progress

[whole sable]

||https://imgur.com/a/eQluJNn||

so does Vicious Cycle just not add 2 damage per hit? I'm seeing 10 -> 11 -> 12 -> 13 -> 14 -> 15 in that test

no mirror upgrades on

[atomic forge]

Maybe one hit has 2 damage instances, which would add up to 2 damage per hit? Just a guess though. Besides, how do you do those weapons tests?

[whole sable]

I uh, ||edit lua files to give myself boons||

also, I don't think there's two damage instances

as the dash does 10 base damage

per hit

which corresponds to the original 10

[atomic forge]

oh lol

But yeah. Fair enough. Might be a bug then, or the description isn't up to date.

[whole sable]

well, no, the in-game values look correct

||using the lua value viewer debug thing the devs provided||

[atomic forge]

What values does debug give you? Same as seen on screen increasing by 1?

I had a question, is there only one credit roll, or is there another truer ending after the first credit roll?

[storm river]

Only an epilogue

[atomic forge]

different then the random epilogues of death? @storm river

[boreal maple]

theres a special epilogue, read your prophecies

theres more story post-credits

[proud flare]

I also have this issue, but I thought the priority for favor event has been pushed forward, according to the patch notes. Kind of worried that there's something wrong with my save file so it couldn't trigger.

[drifting seal]

i got meg's cutscene but her heart is still locked, what do i do?

[vapid laurel]

Hey guys, I just|| brought Persephone back home|| and since then I cant see Than at the House anymore...does anyone know how to trigger his appearance? Our relationship is maxed out etc

[atomic forge]

Having the same problem

[calm orchid]

He'll only show up at home if you've run into him during the run before your death. He's pretty busy so he likes to disappear for long periods of time

[dawn gazelle]

||https://i.imgur.com/fdyD8V6.jpg||

zag. zag. he is RIGHT THERE