chaos is just so cute????
#h1-story-discussion
eternal breach
THEY ARE
I love them sm
I gotta sleep but you guys better continue with cute chaos stuff
vapid parcel
no i also gotta sleep :c
opal kraken
I must have missed that part of the bible XD
When Lucifer fought god with laser beams
Really like the rail pretty unique with the beams
bleak osprey
is it really an rpg if you do not fight god with laserbeams
deep spoke
Slow down there, Shin Megami Tensei
supple dagger
aww. I missed the conversation about fighting Chaos,which now thinking about it, I think it'd be neat... though I'm now also thinking they'd easily be a boss with a few "unique" attacks and then they just turns into other bosses already in the game, excluding Hades and the Hydra.
deep spoke
@signal compass Does parting shot make the cast auto backstab, or does it just get the ability to have the bonuses when you hit the back with it?
signal compass
Pretty sure it's just the latter
I didn't have anything slotted on it so sadly I don't know to what extremes it can go
deep spoke
Aww
bleak osprey
(psssst, @supple dagger , chaos uses they/them!) i would never want to fight chaos though, why would i want to fight my great-great-lotsagreats-grandparent 
supple dagger
oop.
your primordial ancestor.
Idk why. I recently finisheda run and for a moment, the Storyteller scared me into thinking something different but story-progressive was happening but then he goes "for now, let's pretend Hades clobbered his son in battle"
Deciding to do some research again, I guess we can settle that Zagreus is the God of Mysteries as he's the detective on the Disappearance of his own Birth Mother Persephone.
nova turtle
it's from|| achilles|| you'll have to max out the gift tree in order to obtain it
wide notch
in the future will we fight with other gods after hades fight / after door ? any guess ?
supple dagger
I think I heard no, though if it didn't break the narrative route they're going, it would be fun to see Demeter, for some reason, unleash her anger on Zagreus, should it come to light that her daughter isn't even in the Underworld; not Tartarus or Asphodel, or Elysium or Erebus. Not even the realm of Chaos knows of this "Persephone, you speak of."
open berry
there will not be battles after the hades fight
greg has pretty much confirmed this via steam https://steamcommunity.com/app/1145360/discussions/0/2568689796938951223/#c2568689796939013056
"the story we have had planned and been working on since the start of this project does not involve additional battles and such past the current point"
supple dagger
would be hilarious though, to see Zagreus on the surface and, somehow, that keeps changing up.
thorny surge
in all fairness there's not much you can add that doesn't break the plot and/or gameplay that would be a bigger challenge than Hades
fair sentinel
I am waiting for a bossrush
plain palm
yeah definitely no bossfight after hades
but i think some kind of a dlc or a sequel is fairly possible
dense sparrow
they said no dlc
sterile moon
Damn, I'd totally pay for a DLC.
Its been donkey years since I found a game as replayable as hades
bold niche
did they?
plain palm
i mean, the demand is present, the possibilities for setting and stories (whole greek mythology) are here, and sgg's reusing philosophy allows it
sterile moon
And the 20% loyalty card should have a choice to be permanent run after run š¦
goddamit
plain palm
in today's q&a they didn't say anything definite about possible dlc or a sequel
open berry
they said its too early for them to say anything about post 1.0 plans and their only focus rn is getting the game ready for 1.0
dusk meadow
whats the odds to have charon fightable?
atomic forge
22%, after beating Dad once.
supple tide
When do they need Ambrosia?
dusk meadow
thanks
plain palm
but they did address the question about it, so they definitely might consider dlc after releasing 1.0
open berry
i would simply say dont get your hopes up for it too much since they tend to move on to new projects once they release a game
its not out of the question but its not really a given either
sterile moon
that's a real shame, because Hades is fokin awesome
open berry
greg has continually stressed the fact that the main goal with hades is telling the story they set out to tell
plain palm
very true, don't get your hopes up
open berry
think he mentions that in that steam thread he linked too
sterile moon
Is the last companion from achiles?
atomic forge
Yes.
sterile moon
Nice, just have to keep grinding till you get that quest hey I think I'm on run 4-5 meeting Pat, wondering if I'm missing any step of the story.
open berry
much of the dialogue is done in parts and requires a previous part to see
so theres not really any missing steps i dont think
just a matter of continually seeing dialogue until you get what you need
sterile moon
Cool because I'm just wondering about Nyx and Chaos she's been gone from my home for super long and I keep entering chaos haha
Thanks! Guess more grinding =3
bold niche
but what if the story they want to tell isn't limited to main questline? there are a lot of them already, why there can't be some else
"there is always some more" is sort of.. one of main points of the game
atomic forge
Being an indie company without a corporate mandate to squeeze a much money as possible out of its customer base, anything they could think to put in the game that they think they could pull off at all is likely already in or planned on being added by 1.0.
bold niche
i think that's one of the issues, and they pointed it out.. you can't be sure in anything, untill full complete release
like.. what if the game would come out not as good as expected
open berry
thats what theyre hoping to avoid for 1.0 tho?
bold niche
exactly
so they are focusing on it now to release the game as good as possible
everything else is not important atm
atomic forge
Do you think the game doesn't have enough content in it right now?
bold niche
not really
bold niche
sometimes they have to stop, ofc
sterile moon
(pay for more)
bold niche
it's just..
as a customer.. comparing a game, that was provided as is, without futher support, and a game with slight hope on possible support, just a hope..
second seems more attractive and closer to the concept
it's.. too ongoing now to halt at once.. well, it's not up to us to decide anyway
atomic forge
Not really.
Not that it's not up to us to decide, it's not.
But it's not at all "too ongoing" to stop.
bold niche
i don't want to feel emptiness before i see true ending
atomic forge
So stop playing and wait for 1.0?
bold niche
it's the point of sgg games
atomic forge
I don't know what you want.
bold niche
you will always cry at the end
upbeat willow
there's 2 certainties with SGG games. crying and an amazing experience
bold niche
i think i've said that already, when people will realize, that .. that's it, story is ending here, it's been a nice time spent together, almost 2 years..
atomic forge
And that's every SGG game.
bold niche
and now it's time to move on and say goodbuy
it's not a part of the game, it's a part of the whole development, whole early access
atomic forge
Except not so with Hades because it's a roguelite and built to keep players going even if they've seen the true ending (unless the true ending breaks you).
bold niche
for me, realization of the fact, that a game will not be supported anymore will be that true ending
true sgg ending
drifting citrus
just means you get to cry multiple times schpoon
atomic forge
Every game has their support end eventually.
clear oracle
there's 2 certainties with SGG games. crying and an amazing experience
There will be tears, and you will like it.
atomic forge
Do you just not play games unless you've been misled into thinking they'll be supported in perpetuity?
open berry
mate theres like 15?? gb of dialogue audio, i genuinely dont understand how you say theres not enough content
north cloak
this is #hades-spoilers yeah?
north cloak
i just read the qna, biggest shock for me was that the narrator's identity is already solved, buried deep in the game
I don't want to know who it is
bold niche
what i'm trying to say.. there will be 2 things that must happen: game finally comes out into existance and game concludes its path. i don't think that it would be better to combine that moments
for a game, that was out without people knowing what it was all about it's okay
upbeat willow
some people compare this to something like BoI and other rogue lites which have had more years of development (many more in the BoI's case) and dlc's
even though imo it isn't the greatest comparison to make in the first place
bold niche
well, noone really expect things to be like in huge ongoing mmos, or sandboxes like Terraria or Minecraft, when development after release is even larger then pre-release, absolutely no
especially bc the longer authors try to squeeze more and more content from a finished product, some nonsense will happen eventually
atomic forge
I still disagree with the idea that post-launch support is at all necessary.
bold niche
it's not necessary, but it's welcomed, i think
open berry
sure, no one's disagreeing with that notion but if sg feels the story is wrapped up to their satisfaction and they wanna move to a new project after release, we cant begrudge them that
bold niche
indeed
we can't decide for them, if they must do something else, or if they must stop it all and switch to something else
all we can do now is either keep hopes, or stick to the fact that 1.0 will be the last update
atomic forge
I'll be honest, it really really sounds like you're hoping they hold content back specifically for a post-launch expansion.
Like, if they had held Legendary Aspects back so a month or two after release they pushed out a $5 update (obviously SGG would release it for free, but for discussion's sake) with them, that would be better than if they had shipped with the game.
That is extremely abusive to the consumer.
bold niche
they said, that there are still some ideas that didn't make it to the game, and they still will accept suggestions. i don't think they cut something to sell after release, if it's what you mean
but i see this as a hint that there are some parts of the story, that were not told just because they were not fully developed and formed. it's a nature of creating something
there is no vile intention in it at all
they can as well scrap them
hollow mortar
Dad gave me some food! 
|| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608403611151761438/726286671032614940/Nu.png||
molten comet
what's the keepsake between demeter and chaos?
ashen latch
Breaking news: Son of local government official goes on rampage. Defeats father
Hermes
verbal prawn
it's the only gift he's ever offer Zag
molten comet
thanks!
ashen latch
In all fairness though Hades does || give Zagreus the pact of punishment which lets him power up even further due to all the blood || so maybe heās just bad at expressing affection
atomic forge
Not really a "maybe" in there, Hades is super textbook abusive parent.
opal dagger
Soooo HUGE end relationship spoilers but ||who else has had a threesome with than and meg?||
atomic forge
Doesn't mean he doesn't ever feel affection for Zag, or he doesn't love Zagreus, but he's quite abusive all the same.
I shot Than down.
opal dagger
gasp you monster
atomic forge
I knew Than was going to be my friend and I refuse to be dishonest with myself or those close to me.
opal dagger
i feel like you take the game too seriously but you do you man
atomic forge
I've never taken a romance path in a game I didn't at least feel a little myself.
open berry
honestly i like than's relationship with zag better as close friends, and i say this as someone who romanced him
atomic forge
I also think Than does not treat Zagreus well at all in the early game. He loosens up a lot later in the bond path, but even after apologies the damage was done.
open berry
theres some convos that to me highlight that they have a lot more issues to work out before they can take that kind of step. like when ||zag talks to than about dusa being fired and than kinda blows it off and says that nyx is strict but fair. so then zag doubles back saying meg will be furious, and than insists that wont happen and states "some of us dont default to questioning every decision from our superiors" and poofs as soon as zag says maybe he should. just like. idk to me its an instance of a recurring issue between them, in which than more or less has problems with zag not maintaining the status quo around the house||
atomic forge
He doesn't like change, which is fair.
But Thanatos often doesn't consider the other side's perspective at all.
Even before Zagreus found out who his real mother was, he hated life in the House. Thanatos could at least leave to the surface, and since he is very well-equipped to do his job he sees Zagreus struggling as Hades's son but doesn't properly empathize at first.
open berry
yeah like, getting than to consider other viewpoints is certainly a task and with zag's situation its just. iunno. its kinda awkward to me with the weight of a romantic relationship behind it, esp like the spoilered dialogue i pointed out :/a
ashen latch
Tbh I can see romance being especially weird given this non incesty take on Greek myth Hades does
Meg was fostered by Nyx which imo is still weird but Zag and Thanatos for the better part of their lives thought they were half siblings
atomic forge
They're also gods, and the difference in expectations and conventions between gods and mortals is immense and commented upon frequently in-game.
ashen latch
Tbh thatās a pretty slippery slope. by that logic you could also say Hades isnāt abusive due to how relatively trivial death is for gods and that all the stuff heās done to him emotionally doesnāt matter as much due to everyone having forever to get over it
atomic forge
No, it's not.
ashen latch
Except it is. Forever is a long time and you are projecting just as many mortal conventions on what and what isnāt abuse as you are with romance
atomic forge
Yeah, should've have tried to get away with that.
Except Zagreus is looking at an eternity under Hades's abuse.
Every interaction between the two screams "this is deeply unhealthy."
Zagreus, Thanatos, and Megaera all approach their conversations trying to specifically get past their baggage or misgivings.
ashen latch
Sure under our sensibilities as people. The moment you bring in āgods have different conventionsā every argument suddenly becomes very arbitrary
Which is why I donāt like applying that to the romance situation either
atomic forge
Even when they're textually and subtextually aligned with mortal convention? Like that Hades is an extremely abusive parent?
ashen latch
Iām not saying it isnāt the case, Iām agreeing with you on Hades
atomic forge
Meg gets at least one throwaway line that not everything they do falls in line with how mortals live their lives.
ashen latch
But the implications on mortal subtext doesnāt just extend to how we view abuse, but also familial bonds at large
atomic forge
But the game never brings it up.
ashen latch
Thanatos and Meg having a proper poly relationship? Go nuts
Zag and Thanatos being raised as siblings?
There for me it gets very very weird
open berry
the sibling thing was largely retconned when the romance aspect was added and the only references are specifically within the context of bond between nyx and zag. but even besides that the biggest thing that turns me off is how than constantly downplays things that zag finds important just because than himself doesn't think it's important. that's where it's awkward to me behind "the weight of a romantic relationship" bc than just doesn't really give much in that regard. like I'm glad a gay romance is an option in the game but it's not something I personally would tolerate in a relationship tbh
wish I could type on mobile but alas
atomic forge
I got the first dream sequence after maybe 5 escape attempts, so for virtually my entire time playing the game I haven't had that in the back of my mind.
bold niche
tbh, Zag holding up pretty good, considering that he was indeed raised by an abusive parent
although, it's probably because he had much better foster mother, and other friends and mentors
don't think we would have same active and ambitious Zag, if he had to stay in his room all the time without any normal people to talk to
misty flax
Finally fought Charon, What an enjoyable boss fight, in some ways even harden than Hades but very fun i swear the more i play the more fun it is
eternal breach
why are you brandishing your oar in such a menacing way
open berry
to smash you lovingly over the skull with
ashen latch
He was secretly the god of mad gainz
upbeat willow
nah, Charon just wants to play some cricket 
ashen latch
Because all that rowing made him swole as hell
clear oracle
If you rob a dude's lunch money, make sure you can beat him up after, too.
dense sparrow
do anyone here find the new Charon character portrait kinda hot?
misty flax
omg a small but very deadly beetle, what a way to die zagreus 
atomic forge
I can't get the charon boss to show up anymore 
supple tide
How much health does the first boss have?
anyone know?
Cause 2500 from Aphrodite is pretty insane lol
signal compass
How does Hazard Bomb affect the Lucifer Aspect?
As in do the balls automatically explode or are they just centered around you and are stronger?
wraith finch
I beat Charon twice in a row and it didn't complete the prophecy - does it have to be winning twice in a row in two consecutive runs rather than just twice in a row without losing?
vapid parcel
no, just twice in a row without losing iirc
did you talk to hermes?
i think you need him to complete it
wraith finch
hm I did but I think it was in charon's shop so it might not have counted
vapid parcel
that doesn't count, yeah
wraith finch
feels weird for the prophecy to not complete though since it doesn't say anything about talking to hermes - unlike the fish one that says to talk to poseidon again specifically
vapid parcel
i'm not sure, but i did talk to hermes in the same run after beating him so
wraith finch
maybe the fates are just slow to cross it off!
vapid parcel
hermes needs to give them a boost
wraith finch
that's good to know though, I won't focus so hard on fighting him again when I'm not sure I have the right setup
signal compass
Okay so Hazard Bomb increases the damage and lets you get it by it, but you still choose where to fire the orbs and they don't explode until hit
Hazard Bomb Lucifer lesson 1: If you can see the orb you might be in hitting range
It's strong but I'm also with so little health lmao
haha
i'm in danger
frozen jolt
this might be better for the #h1-builds-and-combat channel!
signal compass
Thank you, apologies!
plain palm
wow, i believe my poseidon's prophecy was completed without talking to him, or at least not about fishing
spiral pond
'...Over time, mortals have come to fear great Demeter, eldest of Olympians - wiki
Hm so Hestia is not the oldest in Hades story?
plain palm
oooh interesting
spiral pond
I do want them to cement the chars that wont appear in this game like Hera or Hestia
plain palm
makes sense considering demeter isn't even the daughter of cronus in hades' canon
spiral pond
currently i feel like they are too ambiguous
Hera Hestia and Demeter came from Hyperion and Theia
in Hades canon
but still, Demeter is still oldest among them 
plain palm
oh wait all of them?
spiral pond
the gals came from Hyperion and Theia
plain palm
didn't know that
spiral pond
meanwhile the boys came from Cronus and Rhea
plain palm
i get why it is like that but why is demeter the eldest of them
spiral pond
since yknow Persephone if following real greek canon she would be zeus and demeter's daugther and this aint it chief
idk
thats why i said they really need to cement the chars that guaranteed wont appear
frozen jolt
please dont make jokes about that, fade
spiral pond
shure
i dont have a better phrase for that unless we can just say the real word for it
frozen jolt
you can, just remember to be respectful about it as its a delicate topic
spiral pond
ok then
i was using that "joke" because I am trying to circulate that topic since idk if you can actually talk about it
but now that i know i can talk about it safely then its gucci
the rules are different than mine man i really dont know which of the vocab i have here is banned
plain palm
so yeah, sgg are doing a great job removing the incest but it sure would be intetesting to hear about demeter's sisters then
spiral pond
yeah
Hera Hestia and Demeter are actually Pillar men but have one more x chromosome
this is my canon
they will destroy the boys
plain palm
the choice to made her the eldest one might be just them cementing her... grannyness
spiral pond
can be, but almost any goddess there can be granny to have grannyness
eternal breach
Is it snow gramma time
spiral pond
a granny Hera would be that grandma that is mega pissed about his husband
a granny Hestia would be the grandma that is the sweetest
and granny Demeter would just be grandma that will totally poison Hades' cookies
shes nice to everyone except hades
also she smokes
eternal breach
I wonder how will demeter react to learning that Zag is her grandson
spiral pond
Demeter: Perish.
eternal breach
Nah
plain palm
i'm really curious about hestia since she has some strong character development in hades canon even though she doesn't directly appear in the game
spiral pond
Oh wait, in this canon Demeter def doesnt know her son in law is Hades
so maybe she would be more accepting
@plain palm her strongest character development is that she has a sniper rifle
Hestia: This is my new husband, .50 cal sniper rifle
plain palm
yeah, and she abandoned it to move on to housekeeping
frozen jolt
shes the most vengeful and cold in trials though
frozen jolt
even after theyre concluded
eternal breach
True
spiral pond
and in that context, zag is just a nobody to her
eternal breach
I still do believe she wouldnt go full perish on zag if she found out
plain palm
well... their goals are aligned more than anyone's
eternal breach
I love those little moments where she's even... Warm? As warm as she can be
holds demeter i just think she's neat
spiral pond
I do want to see Demeter when her mother instincts finally kick in and whoop Hades ass
plain palm
they both just want to find perse
frozen jolt
thats true....
spiral pond
for a character that has chill, Demeter has no chills if you piss her off
I still want to see a god that can get INCREDIBLY FURIOUS
eternal breach
freeze to death
spiral pond
mostly i just see them just annoyed
eternal breach
I got scared when Nyx got mad at Zag that one time
plain palm
i really want that dio x demeter duo interaction
spiral pond
yeah but they still talk as professional as they can be
instead of being full on furious
eternal breach
Have we ever made Chaos mad i dont think we have
spiral pond
except dio which is 0% professional 100% casual
eternal breach
They're, thankfully, chill
spiral pond
Chaos cannot be mad
cloud geode
I mean do you want to risk making chaod mad
spiral pond
they have the indestructable of chill vibe
eternal breach
Imagine how scary that would be
spiral pond
also they probably listen to lofi musics to study to in their invisible airpods
eternal breach
They are the lofi beats
spiral pond
imagine chaos just plays lofi the moment you are in
spiral pond
Chaos call when, I want Chaos just make a black hole and destroys everyone
eternal breach
I'm not talking about ||NO YOU DEADBEAT||
spiral pond
Well isnt him always mad at Hypnos
eternal breach
Thats not truly mad mad
spiral pond
how do you expect a Sleep god to work
eternal breach
Thats irritated
plain palm
btw is it just me or charon's fighting remix sounds a bit like lofi
eternal breach
I mean its a remix of a chill track
spiral pond
i havent fight charon yet
plain palm
now that is a man of culture
spiral pond
how do i activate it
plain palm
steal
spiral pond
now that is a man of culture
@plain palm charon uses the obol to buy spotify premium
eternal breach
If theres a glowing money bag in the back of the shop, grab it
plain palm
just go to mid-biome shops, not pre-booss ones
plain palm
i always used to skip the mid-biome shops and go to pre-boss
now i only do this in tartarus
desert yoke
is the fight any harder in the higher areas?
eternal breach
Shop is one less room brightswords can stick blades in me like im a fruit ninja given to a cat
spiral pond
gods why do they buff that biome
it used to be much easier
just the greatshield is annoying af when you run timed runs
eternal breach
kills lernie
Well thats the fun part done time to suffer
Tho Asphodel also counts as suffering
spiral pond
if you can steamroll asphodel you can steamroll elysium back then now its actually slightly difficult and i havent played a while so im actually starting to lose to normal stuffs again
and im ashamed because i have 18 mins 12 heat spear run BRUH
eternal breach
Thats not bad wtf
desert yoke
Greatshields are annoying no matter what conditions you have, change my mind
spiral pond
I already have laser boi
the laser boi totally overshadows zag rail
and gods they better not nerf lucifer just to get zag to the same level
buff zag instead
spiral pond
haha laser goes brr
desert yoke
I managed to get ahold of the lucifer aspect recently and it is quite nice, though I do have to disable the aim assist to make good use of the special
eternal breach
Haha laser go BRRRR
spiral pond
Lucifer's bomb is 10x better than the normal gun i assure you
dense sparrow
dont you need aim assist on attack?
eternal breach
Triple bomb lucifer
dense sparrow
also you need not assure, it is so obviious
eternal breach
š
eternal breach
I AM THE BOSSFIGHT NOW
spiral pond
ITS RAINING MEN
desert yoke
I got the triple bomb on my first run with the aspect, it was nice
eternal breach
HALLELUJAH
eternal breach
Also triple laser
dense sparrow
big jerk?
spiral pond
Jesus
eternal breach
IT DOES BUT ITS SO FUNNY
spiral pond
I wish spinning around with the laser on and its triple
desert yoke
I figure cluster bomb is incompatible with lucifer aspect, simply due to the bomb limit
dense sparrow
im anti christ bloody hell
eternal breach
Love triangle?
dense sparrow
love triangle? whats that?
spiral pond
@eternal breach a broken Demeter + Aphro duo that got rip'd in the beta
it makes demeter freeze ray shoots 3 rays
dense sparrow
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
spiral pond
while not as strong, but if you have Crystal Clarity its mega nutty
desert yoke
oh so it made demeter cast usable
desert yoke
I severely dislike how slow that beam is and refuse to get it when it appears
spiral pond
its a filler
if you dont have a good modifier
it tracks better and does more damage than before so its gucci
i just hate that they nerfed Ares blade rift so hard
the smoothie blade is not long anymore
because hunting blades was like, HAHA EVERYBODY TURN INTO SMOOTHIE
since it lasts long so you can just throw it afar and watch the smoothification happens
eternal breach
i still find it funny that ares call just turns zag into a wheel
Like how does that even feel
desert yoke
dizzying I imagine
spiral pond
feels like the better Athena's call
eternal breach
Rubber: the movie
spiral pond
desert yoke
I've not taken athena's call in a long while so I forget what it looks like
lament dome
how can I get ||Charon|| to fight me? The bag doesn't always appear
desert yoke
Oh, I just get her dash for those
spiral pond
and is controllable unlike Possy has to get used to the auto speed up
desert yoke
Charon fight is only on mid area shops and not pre-boss shops, and the cash bag isn't there all the time.
spiral pond
yeah but i dont wanna fight with athena all the time
eternal breach
Zag: hm i need the grass here cut
Zag: aREEEEES
spiral pond
i wanna spice up my game
@eternal breach Ares will come out with a circular saw to cut the grass
Zag: hm I need to cut this pizza
lament dome
@desert yoke n so in short, RNG?
spiral pond
Ares comes out with a circular saw
desert yoke
yup, just like the rest of the game
eternal breach
Other gods: can transform themselves into animals and stuff
Ares: haha wheel go brrr
spiral pond
Ares with circular saw should be a meme
and totally should make the thumbnail title of Nerf Ares
I gotta um record all the footage again because the new patch has out
eternal breach
Greek gods did have the power to turn into other stuff or smth right
spiral pond
Ares: Im gonna saw this boat into half
desert yoke
"half"
eternal breach
Ares, stabbing Zag in a trial: THATS A LOT OF DAMAGE
pulls out a chainsaw HOW ABOUT A LITTLE MORE
spiral pond
just saying but 5th aspect of sword should totally be a chainsaw
if that ever happens
i want a chainsaw
or a kitchen knife
desert yoke
You ever just pick the greater of two evils when you get a trial, even if you don't care for them, just to avoid getting the big hurt from them?
spiral pond
I just... pick
signal compass
Wow, I never noticed how pretty Theseus' weapon is
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/135418430638522368/726422347854250044/unknown.png
spiral pond
Nah his fork is inferior compared to yours
desert yoke
I mean
signal compass
Of course,
But Neon
And pink
spiral pond
My fork can spin healing bois
desert yoke
his isn't even a fork
two out of three versions of our spears ARE forks, so ours is better most of the time
oh right
two out of four
spiral pond
also is this EM @signal compass
desert yoke
half is still workable
signal compass
EM?
signal compass
Yeah
spiral pond
aw yea
Extreme Memesure
the only stage i wanna skip is the Hydra
because i just go back to lava everytime i dash
:))))
desert yoke
that hero arena looks normal to me, what does EM change about it?
signal compass
Honestly I manage better against EM Lernie for some reason.
I do hate Asphodel levels because I keep running into the lava, especially when I play Poseidon boon shield and all the floaters just attack me above the lava
desert yoke
the pillars I'm guessing?
spiral pond
idk, i remembered the hero arena doesnt have an extended area on the left, and def doesnt ahve that blob shade
when in non EM
signal compass
Blob shade is absolutely there in the base arena
spiral pond
unless they specifically said they updated it
idk the shape of the arena always looks like perfect octagon to me
also a lot more darker this time for some reason
molten temple
@desert yoke Theseus and Asterius get new loadouts in EM3, the stage is essentially identical I believe, unlike the EM2 Bone Hydra.
lament dome
disco elysium flashbacks
spiral pond
oh and the one thing its small but i dont like it as much
molten temple
Possible, though it'd be buried at the bottom of the patch notes. The large Shade and the upper-left crowd has been in the game for some time.
molten temple
I quite like it. Represents the unity of motion a real Phalanx would strive for.
spiral pond
I call them Ninja Phalanx statue since whenever i go near them I hear "WHAT DID YOU SAY TO ME YOU LIL S" in my head
desert yoke
I always forget about the shade fan until I get to the hero arena
Even though I'm pretty sure they appear in the Fury arena and a few boss fight arenas before that point
spiral pond
what is Fury
desert yoke
the furies
desert yoke
Meg, Alecto, and Tisiphone. Easy one, Angry one, and MURDERER in various tones
desert yoke
never said angry one wasn't easy, just very angry
desert yoke
I find Tis to be easiest
spiral pond
Tis is easy
but until you get EM tis you will feel like part of your soul dies
because of Tis nature, and Meg possess the biggest circle, or Alecto just simply spam the circular saw which works best in small area, it can be annoying for fight Tis due to smaller and smaller arena
desert yoke
Willing to bet the smallest arena can get to be 100% full with EM active, just with all the things filling all the spaces to stand
spiral pond
Yes
well, more like 90% at any given time
and the game doesnt like you standing still
molten temple
Tis is the strongest support Fury in EM1. That carpet-bombing is brutal.
spiral pond
i dislike EM for this very reason, its not like they are strong but it restricts too much freedom, only in EM theseus/aesterius I call "challenging" due to new moveset
@molten temple Meg+Tis support on Alecto can also be stupid
mainly because Meg might be slow but she has looorge cover area
and then the tis just covers the smaller corner areas with carpet bombing
but if both of them act alone they are easily avoidable, its when they are comboing its stupid
molten temple
I find Meg's basic support pretty easy, because there's enough of a delay on the single circle to Dash away. The Fire Column can be a problem in Tis's Stage 4 room though.
spiral pond
Tis doesn't blanket bombing as much as she would in supporting
again imo, tis is mega easy even if she does the carpet bombing alone, both in main, or in support
crimson temple
EM Tisiphone has given me a lot of trouble whenever she is backed up by both sisters. The constriction of space is causing me plenty of grief.
spiral pond
its only become annoying when in support she does it more prevalently and comboing some other large wide area that Meg/Alecto possess depend on what the rng of the game feeling today
The constriction of space is causing me plenty of grief.
@crimson temple true
its not like its mega strong you can def still fight as normal but its just like too much restriction in terms of walking space, and guess which part im not great at in this game lul, its the platforming part
crimson temple
It doesn't outright end my runs, but a lost death defiance will bite me in the rear later.
hearty frigate
Would an aspect of Cain for the twin fists make sense?
dense sparrow
if you are gonna throw in Cain might as well say Bata
eternal breach
Theres already a biblical one
dense sparrow
the face on lucy's gun is kinda hot
eternal breach
Are you ok
dense sparrow
NO i just got the score for the test exam for high school and im very not okay
but it is kinda hot tho
jolly zealot
ember goblet
hey so um can someone help with with understanding on how to get the touch of styx?
i think i did around 20 runs just to see life it would even get it through the well but idk if im just doing something wrong ..or?
junior field
the Defiance refill item?
You must have an empty DD slot for it to have a chance to appear
split kelp
Finally got the last companion, took a while to get ||Patty|| to spawn again...
eternal breach
Do i spoil myself, do i not..
split kelp
Don't, you'll get there at some point, not worth the spoiler.
thorny surge
aspect of samson for the fists?
eternal breach
Theres already a biblical aspect
junior field
I think Lucy is kinda above that
dense sparrow
goddamn it its Gilgamesh 100%, stop arguing about that
eternal breach
Dont say 100% until we have it
dense sparrow
tho there is also Enkidu, and Humbaba, and Bata, and Imhotep, and.....
eternal breach
.>
Ehh i doubt Enkidu
If they wouldve decided for Enkidu, why not just go for Gilgamesh instead
dense sparrow
maybe even Leif Erikson
eternal breach
Aspect of enkidu but you just go absolutely feral
dense sparrow
and Enkidu is a "wild man", so maybe he can go for more clawy
eternal breach
Im up for claws
dense sparrow
aspect of..........||CHUPACABRA||!
eternal breach
Aspect of mothman
dense sparrow
mothman hath no claws nor fists, methinks
eternal breach
Than is mothman
That is definite
Okay but i like the thought of than having butterflies and hypnos moths
dense sparrow
is hypnos's sacred animal a moth?
eternal breach
Dont know but i thought it would be cute
junior field
pretty sure his animal would be a sloth
eternal breach
Nehh
thorny surge
aspect of kangaroo fists
jade slate
aspect of man with fist
split kelp
Quick question before I save a charge for no reason: Does the ||new companion|| work against the final boss?
open berry
anyone who is an employee of the house will not work against the final boss
Let's just say that
split kelp
Well, that's bad news for someone else in Styx then. Thanks.
bold estuary
what do i need to do to unlock the administrative chamber contract? the wiki just says "story progression", does that mean 17 attempts isn't enough yet?
bold estuary
damn, it would be really handy
would've thought beating hades would unlock it
same story for thanatos, i assume?
split kelp
Have you already had the flashback scene where you go back through the house, while the narrator comments everything, after going to bed?
bold estuary
i've had the one where i discover persephone's note
split kelp
There's a second one, that will unlock the admin chamber.
bold estuary
hm ok, just gotta keep playing then i guess
split kelp
I don't know for certain what exactly the conditions are to get there though.
bold estuary
i've also read that thanatos has a 10% chance of showing up in any elysium chamber if you've never seen him
but he might be locked off till later too?
split kelp
I don't fully remember when I ran into Than the first time, I thought it was quite early but might be mistaken.
Btw, you managed to get the big boy in just 17 attempts?
open berry
hypnos foreshadows his appearance, that much I remember for sure, I'd have to get on my computer to check specifics
junior field
took me a lot of runs to see him
bold estuary
yeah, i did! had a really good run with the shield, where i got +300% damage vs shields on bull rush
didn't even use a revive until the second stage of hades
took just one hit from the asterius miniboss, which was pretty wild
split kelp
That's impressive to be honest.
bold estuary
oh, can't post pics in here, i'll put it in #h1-victory-boasting
but thanks! it was truly exhilarating
split kelp
Well done mate, first of many!
split kelp
Both ||Achilles and Patroclus|| will each bash one enemy for ||1500 damage each||. If there's only one enemy around I think both will ||hit the same target||.
As far as damage companions go I think I still prefer Than but it's pretty nice, have to say.
Guaranteed hits as far as I could tell, whereas Meg, Than and Sisyphus can whiff.
eternal briar
noice
lament dome
those 2 count as spoilers but the rest of the companions doesnt?
split kelp
The new keepsake hasn't been identified in the patch notes, I'll just keep using the spoiler tags on those for a bit.
open berry
be courteous to your peers, spoiler new content š
lament dome
yeah prefer to ask, because i dont mind spoilers at all personally
so i can't really tell what to tag
split kelp
Depends, really. Beowulf and Rama have been mentioned by name in the patch notes, I'm not gonna bother with those. But anything that explicitly hasn't been named I'll just spoiler-tag by default.
junior field
Corpses of Titans with Hades' spear sticking out of em
this a spoilers channel don't see the point in covering em up
eternal breach
absolutely in love with the option to buy decor and nice stuff for thans corner
especially if hes standing there while you buy it
"This can't be" pal i bought you a nice table with flowers youre not supposed to react as if you were a villain having their master plan thwarted
"what is this Zag"
that is a recliner
go
lie on it
open berry
bold of you to think than will use it when hypnos floats above his
eternal breach
ILL AT LEAST GIVE THEM THE OPTION
junior field
Hypnos at least sits on his, or floats
eternal breach
than touches the recliner and is like EUGH WHAT IS THIS SOFTNESS
open berry
I like to think if than was truly overworking himself hypnos could force him to rest, he just doesn't do it much bc than, as his twin, is more resistant to his sleep effects than other gods are. that's my hc and I'm sticking to it
eternal breach
Than: you know your powers dont work as easily on me, do you.
Hypnos: im taking it as a challenge
Than: sweats
errant mango
Does Than actually comment on the furniture at all? Like how Nyx has dialogue about the flowers you can buy for her
open berry
he comments when it goes up
errant mango
Yeah I know that much
open berry
never looked into if he has actual dialogue
since I didn't... care lol
@eternal breach Hypnos will take a challenge to prove his bro wrong when it comes to his own domain and powers, I speak this into existence
errant mango
Fair lol. It's likely I haven't seen all of his new dialogue yet anyway
eternal breach
Hypnos puts Than to sleep and Than just sleeps for like 12 hours
hypnos didnt put in any extra effort than was just that tired
open berry
even gods need to rest periodically, than š¤§
errant mango
He probably takes a 12-hour "powernap" every hundred years or so
eternal breach
Than sleeps either in midair or just flopped on the bed like a ragdoll i do not take any criticism
errant mango
That reminds me of a tweet I saw about Meg sleeping upside down like a bat lmao
eternal breach
YES
errant mango
So that's canon in my mind now
eternal breach
Zag moves like 4665 times during the night and has fallen out of bed numerous times
wispy dawn
Has anyone figured out who ||the storyteller is||? š®
split kelp
Now I'm really kinda sad that Than was never around when I ordered his lounge upgrades...
Never do it without daddy being there though.
errant mango
We don't know exactly who the storyteller is, but apparently ||it's some Greek poet. You can buy his bust from the house contractor||
People have theories about who it could be, but afaik there's no straight answer to that
wispy dawn
Yeah I read some stuff about that and have had my eye on the || bust|| for a while but keep buying stuff for the lounge instead š I guess it's just a matter of ||which poet|| then? Maybe ||one of the ones / the main one the team used as reference for Greek mythology||? ... In yesterday's Q&A ||Greg said it was already discoverable but perhaps buried deep...||
Oh and ||he also reads the patch notes||... wonder if that will come into play somehow š¤£
crimson temple
It was sort of jarring to hear the Narrator spell out the URL for the Discord server in the read patch notes.
wispy dawn
Give him a break, they didn't have ||URLs back in Ancient Greece š ||
deep spoke
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198553698450800640/726528204826738849/unknown.png This is very interesting.
Very interesting.
topaz cobalt
Why do the furies only have one wing?
split kelp
Furies, that extra R makes it something very different.
And I honestly don't know why, thought it was weird too.
bleak osprey
so that i can hum one-winged angel every time i fight them
ashen latch
Extra style points
eternal breach
Call me the ikea phantom because i sure will furnish every character's spot
You get a rug! You get a rug! Everybody gets a rug.
okay but imagine you just like one spot in the house to just think and vibe and suddenly furniture appears there because your rich (boy)friend decided to make it a goddamn room
Than: you know ill just stand around next to this right
Zag: ill get you a couch
Than: did you hear anything i just said
Zag: AND A CHAIR
How long until we start furnishing dads desk
open tiger
I mean, you can improve his chair
I don't think he'll let you "clutter up my desk, damnit"
open berry
if we're gonna furnish every npc spot we need more stuff for achilles, hypnos and orpheus š
why does than get a whole room's worth of furniture, what if i wanna spread the love around and irritate hades to no end by furnishing everyone
open tiger
Achilles should get a weapon rack, Hypnos already got an improved couch, Orpheus could probably use a better chair
eternal breach
I cant help it its so funny when you keep furnishing thans spot while he's there
He's so confused
Couches for everyone
And i mean everyone
Every shade gets a couch
eternal breach
Everything Is Couch
Anyway god dammit they all look so comfy
AND NOBODY IS USING THEM
NOT EVEN SLEEP ITSELF
eternal breach
Everyone in the house has a chronic Cant Sit Down disease
eternal breach
Every once in a while Hypnos has to put everyone to sleep so that they at least REST
ashen latch
Plot twist: Hypnos is actually the one keeping folks awake
Heās making people need less sleep than more of it by making short naps super rejuvenating
open tiger
That's way less malicious than I thought you were going
eternal breach
What if hypnos has an aura sorta like than does, and it just makes you sleepy
open tiger
...does Than's aura make you dead?
eternal breach
I mean it doesnt but it has a sort of a 'something is wrong here' vibe to it
polar depot
does the membership card you get from charon carry over runs?
or do you need to beat him each time
open tiger
Does not carry over
polar depot
ah damn
polar depot
went into it with literally no upgrades but demeter's dash
didn't know that it was gonna be a secret fight
polar depot
took my death defiances right at the start of this run though
open tiger
Try and hold out for Patty in Elysium
Might be worth taking Skelly's keepsake when you can
open berry
sleepy hypnos aura, good
grabs blankets and crashes beside him, send me to sleep lad im ready
polar depot
yeah gonna switch to lucky tooth when i can
open tiger
Good luck!
open berry
HE DOES DESERVE FRIENDS WHAT THE HELL sg please give this man some friends that amounts to more than zag and meg talking to him out of pity
ive had enough
eternal breach
Can we get actual hypnosbzag friendship PLEASEEE
open tiger
|| Than || also talks to him
eternal breach
We all know how THAT goes
open tiger
Actually
open berry
@open tiger you say this ||as if i havent already combed through all the dialogue five times over||
open tiger
Last time it went well
open berry
but thats a brotherly bond
open tiger
That's true
open berry
im talking about
actual friendship
achilles is right around the corner, achilles come share some guidance
open tiger
@rigid pine it boosts your ambiguity
open berry
talk to ORPHEUS, PET CERB
something
let the poor guy be more than just a door greeter
eternal breach
Give him a pet crab too
hallow nymph
how do you unlock the new weapons from this latest patch?
open tiger
Check the pins
echo orbit
Once Zag learns about Demeter being his grandma and talk to Hades about it, is there anything else you can do at the moment?
hallow nymph
where are said pins located
open tiger
Are you on mobile or PC?
hallow nymph
pc
frozen jolt
check the top of the screen to the right, its the little pushpin icon next to the members list
open tiger
Then top right, looks like a push pin
hallow nymph
thanks
echo orbit
[|87
open tiger
Also, Axi, what do you mean?
echo orbit
I'm trying to learn more about Persephone but I don't know if there's anything else to talk about with Demeter at the moment, or if Hades will tell me any more about Persephone after learning that Demeter is Zag's grandma
open tiger
Try and have more dialogues from Demeter, maybe? It's not something that comes quickly
echo orbit
Fair enough
I've gotten the new weapons to the surface so that's nice at least
Wait I think I'm still in the process of the Rama but I'm close
Also can I get farther with Patroclus and Achilles' questline now?
open tiger
Yes
echo orbit
Awesome
Also I got the Artemis interaction hearing about Callisto and it's so sweet?
"My Callisto" is so adorable
open tiger
:D
echo orbit
Do you think Artemis ever looks at Zeus and is like "If you so much as look at Callisto, I will hunt you down and make sure Athena overthrows you"?
open tiger
... probably
echo orbit
Good
Part of me really wants to see Hestia but I'd love to draw her in what I'd imagine she'd look like in the Hades style
open tiger
Go for it! We love art :D
echo orbit
Just a matter of motivation! XD
open tiger
Consider motivation being sent your way, when you have the time and emotional energy to use it!
silk carbon
is dio bugged right now? everytime i see him i can gift him ambrosia and he apparently always says the same dialogue, and then i get the "bond formed" notification
the first time in every run i mean
hollow mortar
Be sure to 
that if you see your bond with him isn't advancing in the Codex 
silk carbon
right now in the run, i have all the hearts unlocked in the codex
i'll see if it changes when i get back to the house
leaden epoch
I finally did it. I bought all of the house upgrades.
I have everything.
Jesus that took forever.
I really tried fishing for Poseidon's Legendary Fishing Boon to help with the grinding, but in ten runs I saw it only once, and it was in the last room in elysium, so basically useless.
Shockingly, Chaos is more reliable than Poseidon >>
ember goblet
um so
i know what the kiss of styx is
but apprently in the well of charon
there is the touch of styx
what is that?
molten temple
I believe that's the version of Kiss of Styx for when you use Stubborn Defiance instead.
Since the Death Defiance vs Stubborn Defiance are very different mechanics-wise.
ember goblet
um
so does it acutally come from the well of charon
?
because on my list it says it does
molten temple
Yes, it does. It's only offered while you are using Stubborn Defiance.
Patroclus' Kiss of Styx Premium also becomes Touch of Styx Dark, I believe. Hmm I should run Stubborn Defiance so I can fix the wiki on this. It isn't updated for Touch of Styx really...
ember goblet
okay thank you idk i think ive been using stubbron defiance maybe i should just be pactient idk
echo mist
when does skelly present his challenges?
remote meadow
Question: is there a way to refight Charon? I've done several runs since the first time and never gotten the opportunity to steal again š
shadow drum
Responding to an earlier discussion: i think hypnos put zeus to sleep once (twice?) so if he can put the king of the olympians to sleep then he's either super powerful or super boring
leaden epoch
@remote meadow 20% chance to fight him every time you run into his shop mid-floor. The one right before the boss has a 0% chance to fight him.
remote meadow
ooh, thanks!
open berry
@shadow drum twice. both instances under request from hera. the first time hypnos retreats to nyx to escape zeus's wrath, the second time he's quite reluctant to indulge hera's whims again and hera offers him pasithea, who becomes his wife
shadow drum
cant believe that's not played for laughs when you have his keepsake with zeus or something
open berry
hypnos is full of missed opportunities imo š
esp since its so rare to have him portrayed in media as it is
golden socket
does Hestia aspect still not work with the Spread Fire hammer upgrade?
atomic forge
Once hades goes to the surface is it not possible to give him nectar?
violet bear
neat, hermes just asked to beat Charon twice in a row in a run I'd already beaten him on
so I just had to beat him once
atomic forge
Still no, Dermit.
golden socket
@atomic forge look in the codex to see how many times you've gifted him.
hearts at the top of the page
atomic forge
No as in he's not at the house anymore
golden socket
@atomic forge ty
prime girder
Just talked to dusa after maxing out relationship - anyone know what the conversation is like ||if you take the ambrosia back instead of refusing||?
open berry
its just more or less the implication that dusa wants to stock the lounge on her own and was a bit uncomfortable with zag providing everything
molten temple
@atomic forge Hades will not appear in the House immediately after a run in which you made it to the Temple of Styx unless you defeat him. If you fail to reach the Temple on the subsequent run he will return to the House.
wide notch
If no fight after hades with boss or sth this game finished already...
young vine
Zag: ||If I could leave the Underworld forever, I think I would. But I would miss you and a lot of others around here.||
Chaos: ||...I would miss you as well. Thank you for telling me.||
molten temple
Sort of. SGG is still working on developing the story beats that occur after the Final Boss Fight, and probably on a system to keep the rogue-like elements continuing. From the v1.0 roadmap it looks like they still have 1 more NPC to introduce as well.
open berry
i mean when you think about it theres very very few characters it could be
clear oracle
they have the ending planned since last November
open berry
the game is nearly done, theres not much wiggle room for an entirely new character
clear oracle
I wonder how they justify the gameplay loop
molten temple
Yeah it's pretty obvious it'll be Apollo Mom. But the gameplay loop is my biggest curiosity.
wide notch
I think we will take hades power so? We have to fight others otherwise as i said this game has already finished. I dont want to do same things again and again...
atomic forge
The full game structure is in place. The only thing left to do is wrap up the story.
wide notch
Yeah im telling too. Really good game and it can be more better with fight olympus gods for final
open berry
zag's goal isnt getting to olympus tho
atomic forge
Boss rush for the sake of more gameplay sounds like it would drag down the game.
molten temple
SGG have said that they do not plan to add more fights past the Final Boss.
open berry
i understand why people expect to fight olympians, and i have been wondering a long while about all the implications peppered through the narrative about bad things happening if they discover what's been really going on but i think everyone forgets that ultimately the protagonist's goal is literally just getting to the surface and finding his mom, not fighting the olympians and stuff
hades is the final boss and intended to remain as such because he is all thats left standing between zag and his goal of escaping to find his mother
im still gonna wonder how those previously mentioned implications are gonna be handled in the ending, of course
verbal tusk
I am making the assumption that there is going to be something added to the fated list that needs to be completed in order to break the barrier at the end
Likely forging a bond with Dad
wide notch
In the real greek mythology gods like (zeus) did real bad things especially for zagreus and his mom if you search it, and just think about it we fight with olympians, wouldnāt it be much better for story? Hades is not bad god..
ashen latch
Heās not a good one either
atomic forge
This isn't classical Greek mythology.
ashen latch
Every single Olympian plus Hades has a resume of terrible deeds
verbal tusk
Except perhaps Athena
shadow drum
If i had to guess it's gonna involve zag sacrificing himself so that persephone can go back to olympus for 6 months and then every run happens the winter next
ashen latch
Across multiple myths spanning multiple iterations of the Pantheon
Athena did Medusa dirty
Sheās petty as hell
Same with Arachne
open berry
isnt it a bit silly to say "real" mythology when much of it was debated and had multiple variants anyway? mythology has no strict "canon" 
wide notch
Okay the just think about it we fight with olympians, wouldnāt it be much better for story and for the game?
open berry
not necessarily
atomic forge
No, it wouldn't.
open berry
again, thats not zag's goal
molten temple
Athena has several kind of...messy myths. The Oresteia being one of them. And Ovid's Medusa origin story, yes.
wide notch
Oh you poor
ashen latch
Iād much rather see where the infernal arms go. Because we genuinely have the foundations for a broader expanded universe here
verbal tusk
Hence "perhaps"
open berry
the decision to vary the 4th aspects has been pretty interesting
ashen latch
Tbh Iād take a Game where we see Guan Yuās story after he finds the Frost Fair Blade. Doesnāt even have to have the same gameplay as Hades
Make it a strategy game with wartime units and stuff
Whatever
verbal tusk
Whatever SG does next will be good. Haven't played a bad one yet
wide notch
Whatever
open berry
see i dont want that purely because i play so much dynasty warriors and see guan yu enough as it is rofl but within the hades universe it might be neat
molten temple
If you want a story in which you fight the Olympians, Kratos in the God of War franchise has a reason to do so. Zagreus of the Hades game has no reason to fight his extended family up high, he's using them as a means to make it to the surface so he can find his birthmother.
dense sparrow
b...but guan yu just made the blade himself, he didnt find it
wide notch
You dont understand games š how would it be good
rigid pine
So, how do I progress sysiphus quest?he doesn't have the exclamation mark when talking to him now, I already saw cutscenes with meg and than, meg and hades don't mention sysiphus, and there's not much to do now
open berry
zag also bonds with the olympians, it should be noted. now that all of their affection (besides demeter) can be maxed, what reason does he realistically have to break that kinship?
atomic forge
Wow, really? You're gonna tell us all we don't understand games because we don't agree with you?
wide notch
Ow yeah
ashen latch
@dense sparrow depends on which version, in some interpretations he just designs it while in others he is also the one who creates it
open berry
@wide notch saying that we "dont understand games" just because we disagree with you isnt really getting anyone anywhere. adding gameplay for the sake of adding gameplay isnt some infallible way to make a game good. and we've been trying to explain that from the point of the story, it doesnt make sense for zag to wage battle with the olympians. not from his perspective specifically
molten temple
@rigid pine Do you have Administrative Privilege from the house Contractor? Nyx should eventually tell you where to find Sisyphus' sentence after finishing up conversations between Meg, Than, and Hades about it.
ashen latch
^
rigid pine
I do, there's nothing there
ashen latch
it can take a while longer as some convo trees need a few runs before they can progress
rigid pine
I will just keep trying talking to them
ashen latch
and sometimes its set back a bit by other convo trees
wide notch
^^
molten temple
When in doubt, do more runs.
rigid pine
Do I need to buy the contractor deluxe desk or somethin
I only have the admin chamber unlocked
ashen latch
you shouldn't need to
ashen latch
from my experience it can take a while if only because Meg is involved in so many questlines
molten temple
Deluxe Desk is only necessary for a few items, none of which are necessary for any Questlines.
ashen latch
and due to how the game is designed she can only gradually progress one at the time per house visit
rigid pine
Yea, I didnt think it would take this long to do his quest
ashen latch
ie, if you are doing her romance chain + the questline for Sisyphus it might take even longer though you are pretty far in
open berry
theres always suiciding your runs in asphodel if you're feeling impatient
rigid pine
I'm kinda doing that 
echo orbit
What do you think Hestia would look like in terms of age compared to the rest of the Olympians?
She was the eldest born, but the last to be released from Kronos
verbal tusk
What do you think Hestia would look like in terms of age compared to the rest of the Olympians?
Like... An ugly Demeter š
rigid pine
Yo, NYx told me about sysiphus sentence in the admin chambers, do I need to find it there or do I just needed to trigger this dialogue with her
verbal tusk
Go to the admin chamber if she told you where it is
If she hasn't told you the exact location, then it's not there yet
rigid pine
Oh okay
It was the first dialogue about it, I guess it's not there yet. I can't interact with nothing besides the 2 record stuff
molten temple
When Nyx spouts off a few Greek Letters, then it can be found as an interact point in the Administrative Chamber. Then you need to do a run before it can be found in the House Contractor.
rigid pine
Thanks, can't wait for bouldy to be honest
boreal coyote
i have access to fated list, iāve beaten hades multiple times, iāve unlocked 6 new aspects, and achilles still wonāt talk to me for guan yu 
molten temple
It takes time and good RNGesus for the dialogue you're looking for to pop up with an NPC. There's a lot of dialogue each NPC can go through. As long as Achilles has an exclamation point above his head after each run, it hasn't bugged out.
boreal coyote
ah, ty, iāll keep trying then
fickle comet
can't wait for bouldy to be honest
What do you mean? Bouldy never lies.
finite dust
Is the charon bags of gold random
I beat him once, but now I have the mission to fight him twice in succession
atomic forge
22% chance, I think the sack only spawns once per run.
finite dust
bruh, 22% ive been to I think 5 shops this run
upbeat willow
22% chance in non pre-boss shops (before styx)
finite dust
Yuh just about to fight hades and finish this run, but I havent seen a bag of gold since I beat him
Was wondering if I needed to be doing something else
mystic mortar
it only spawns in mid-biome shops, and with a 22% chance to spawn, you have less than a 50% chance to see in any five shops
echo orbit
Like... An ugly Demeter š
Since when have any of the Olympians in Hades been unattractive?
atomic forge
I once dono'd $25 for Hades to a bisexual streamer and said "This game is gonna be great for you, because every character is scalding hot."
echo orbit
I think that'd be doubly true for Hestia considering she's the goddess of fire
atomic forge
A while back he said he tried Dead Cells and hated it, presumably because of the roguelite nature, so I'm not sure he'll ever try it, but wow anyone who swings appropriately for the threesome scene.
echo orbit
I just think they're all very pretty people
atomic forge
Extremely.
chilly hawk
Anyone who appreciates attractive characters will appreciate hades' art
I mean, just look at Skelly
mystic mortar
The Moustache of Hades is the most attractive character imo
chilly hawk
ngl despite everything Hades is honestly really hot
mystic mortar
Oh, Hades is all right
but his moustache is šš
chilly hawk
You know what kills me the most though? By far?
Smiling Than is the single most attractive thing supergiant has ever made
open berry
I personally think it breaches uncanny valley to me lmao
chilly hawk
Understandable
open berry
I love jen's art and respect the quality of her work but that one is a bit off-putting, and the face makes him look like another character. but it's there lol, shrugs
chilly hawk
I like it
mystic mortar
It's a bit jarring for sure
molten temple
it's a very different expression and angle than we're used to for Than
mystic mortar
actually the only portrait I don't absolutely love
dense sparrow
atomic forge
Than smiling doesn't weird me out, it's the switch to face-on that does it.
@dense sparrow Cursed image.
clear oracle
Doom Guy Than
open berry
this one is nicer https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721052413854875790/726666451330531328/Untitled.png
atomic forge
@clear oracle 
chilly hawk
He looks so smug I love it
fathom current
"If only you knew just how I feel, Lernie."
I have questions?
molten temple
"How I have yearned to hear your hiss, Lernie"
fathom current
w
I have questions?
mystic mortar
Heck, I saw this romance coming even before the update
Lernie has always been zag's main interest
cerulean hamlet
Alas, Lernie is attracted only to killing Zagreus, so their relationship is not really in a place where it can grow like this.
Unfortunately, that is a one-way street kind of romance and we all know Zag needs healthy relationships in his life.
glad phoenix
Have you met Zag? He's very open-minded
split kelp
Yeah but in my head canon Lernie's lovely hisses mean that she's in love with me.
lapis smelt
Also quick question... what exactly do you all think will happen once ||Zagreus meets Persephone face to face|| my money is on the ending type in which ||Persephone completely and utterly rejects Zagreus, who she sees as a reminder of her time in Hell than anything else and possibly kills him||
fathom current
Krasher, where the heck do you even find that text?!
fathom current
Telos: That uh...I've heard ||that SGG's other games had similarly toned endings.|| I don't like how the stars align, there.
I need to read through that qna, heh
lapis smelt
@fathom current Two words...
Transistor Ending
molten temple
I think we might get to see some of the classical Persephone mythos come into play.
Zagreus, having grown up in the Underworld and having such a deep connection to it (social relationships, Darkness, etc.) might be incapable of leaving it for extended periods just as Persephone had to divide her time between the Underworld and the surface because she ate of the Underworld's food.
This would be a nice call-back to the original myth (because it seems Persephone was able to escape for good in-game) and give us an explanation for the rogue-like gameplay loop even after successfully completing a run.
lapis smelt
I find it weird that Persephone didnāt even mention Zagreus in her letter. She only mentioned Cerberus.
fervent skiff
Top 10 moms in video games
atomic forge
I've heard through the grapevine that Hades will have a happier ending than their last three.
lapis smelt
I mean, I found Bastionās ending to be very satisfying
atomic forge
Mind, the three games that Supergiant has released has ranged from Fairly Bittersweet (Pyre, Bastion) to Pure Esoteric Happy Ending (Transistor), so practically anything short of that would qualify.
atomic forge
||Red commits suicide at the end of the game.||
||Sure, she's reunited with Mr. Nobody and there's the implied peace in The Country, but it requires the deaths of literally every single person in Cloudbank to get there.||
fathom current
Scrap. why did I click on that (first part.).
atomic forge
Sorry!
lapis smelt
RIP
fervent skiff
He did spoiler it
fathom current
lmao, yeah and yeah
atomic forge
I've got Deeply Complicated Feelingsā¢ļø about the ending, but it's not an unambiguously happy ending like Paper Mario 64.
fathom current
Now at least I'll hopefully get more enjoyment from piecing together any sort of foreshadowing or clues to the ending
fervent skiff
Spoiler: ||There are almost none||
lapis smelt
How will they link the ending to the fact that you basically have to do a full clear multiple times in order to get half the things in the game done.
That is what Iām most curious about
fervent skiff
Yeah I beat the game with the shield on my 3rd or 4th so try
How are they gonna implement the game loop after beating Hades?
My theory is that you can only pass the border after doing certain stuff in the underworld
upbeat willow
I won't be surprised if EM4 is required
open berry
@atomic forge I believe this is the quote that the 'hades will have a less angsty ending, maybe' sentiment has come from #ask-supergiant message
atomic forge
That's the one.
fathom current
"Maybe," probably one of my most used words, and also, my least favorite contexts for that word.
Game better not be so quick to serve me another depresso espresso ā
fervent skiff
fathom current
No but while playing, just a thing that popped up in my mind; for a place meant for the mediocre and between-great-and-infamous, is it just me or do some of the Asphodel enemies feel like they belong in Tartarus instead?
fervent skiff
I mean
fathom current
Solely based on what their nature is, like the new Bloodraker or the Purple Bombers
fervent skiff
Two of them are minibosses in Tartarus
upbeat willow
those aren't minibosses anymore in Tartarus as of the current update from memory
fathom current
What, the Bombers?
fervent skiff
Wait what
upbeat willow
yeah
fervent skiff
Nani?
fathom current
Nah, I got them
atomic forge
I think Aggy is talking about Slam-Dancers.
fathom current
A few runs ago, in fact.
drifting citrus
only the orange bombers are minis now
fervent skiff
Wave Makers?
fathom current
Oooh
atomic forge
You'll still get Inferno Bombers and/or Burn Flingers.
upbeat willow
ty Onyx ^_^
atomic forge
But not Slam Dancers, who spike a bomb for hella damage.
fathom current
Pft
Still, makes me wonder and want to ask: What makes souls legible for Tartarus, or Asphodel?
drifting citrus
apparently burn-flingers were barred from tartarus too but i swear i've still seen them
drifting citrus
tart = bad people
aspho = normal people