every 2 hours
#h1-story-discussion
open berry
but i have all of his dialogue fed into him already
i've played around with having non-canon lines to respond with if anyone @'s him but i never got around to that beyond replying manually a few times
hollow mortar
I see. Funny how you made a bot for him 
open berry
i did ares and than too 😳
open berry
room scene?
open tiger
yup 0.o
open berry
well ||at the end of the day the choice you make really doesnt affect anything so go with whatever you want||
open tiger
yeah, I had a feeling lol
glad phoenix
Romance everyone
open tiger
that's what I'm doing lol
glad phoenix
be the god of blood you were meant to be
open tiger
xD
open berry
tbh i find it a little weird zag is referred to that way in the codex. like i get why since his blood is considered an oddity and such but given the theme of the game as a whole, not just mechanics but repairing relationships and stuff as well, rebirth feels more appropriate than blood.
open tiger
you could argue the two of them are very closely related
open berry
ehh kinda. rebirth just feels thematically more appropriate but thats my 
open tiger
also, there are already multiple greek gods associated with rebirth, while there are none with blood
open berry
zag was associated with rebirth in myth though, he and dionysus both
thats why its a bit weird to me they went with the blood angle instead
open tiger
Mm, that's true
open berry
like i said, i get why and all but. weird! 
we really need a hypnos emote. if than gets an emote, hypnos should have one. maybe a variation of 🥺 rofl
thorny surge
reject everyobe
Join me in the spiting the universe because can’t romance dusa corner
ornate siren
I got my first companion!!!!
glad phoenix
Congrats! Which one?
ornate siren
Meg's
glad phoenix
And @thorny surge dusa doesn't wanna be romanced, she just wants to be friends and we can respect that
and oh nice! meg is a great companion to get
open berry
meg locked me in rng hell before she finally coughed up anything, and did it again when i was trying to max her. ma'am... 😔
ornate siren
How many ambrosia do I need to get all interactions?
thorny surge
Depends on the character but about three to four except for dusa who requires twice or thrice that amount
ornate siren
Cool
thorny surge
give or take
ornate siren
I'm just trying to see how much I can safely dump into the companion
thorny surge
Companions require a linear amount of ambrosias iirc, they all follow the same amount
thorny surge
They all need 10 ambrosias to reach max lvl
Worse case scenario you can let the 🅱️roker rip you off to get an extra ambriosia but i’d reccomend you let that as a last resource and try higher heat levels first
glad phoenix
Nyx what the heck, why you gotta do dusa dirty like that
mystic mortar
If there were an option to take your weapons in the house...
that scene would've gone even worse
thorny surge
"i fired dusa, child"
reloads exagryph
"no you didn't"
open tiger
Heart of Stone: Ambiguity Bonus????
mystic mortar
yeah, it's the best one @open tiger
power beyond reckoning
unbeatable
You've basically already won
open tiger
sounds good
glad phoenix
Just annihilate nyx for her crimes
open berry
congratulations we no longer have nighttime
thorny surge
There’s already a perpetual winter going on
So they’d both cancel eachother
Boom
Major plot point solved
glad phoenix
Dusa may not be best girl but she is certainly best friend
uncut fjord
Someone tell me whats inside the 500 coin Hermes thing in the last shop. Is it ever worth it if I got alot of coin left at the end of a run or would the other boons usually be better?
open tiger
It's usually pretty good
leaden epoch
Higher chance for rarity boon, that's all.
The cheaper boons in his shop have a lower chance for being rare+, the expensive ones have a higher chance of being rare+
What would happen if you rare cropped an ambiguity bonus 🤔
open tiger
I don't think you can
ornate siren
Also iirc Hermes you only get 2 boons of max from room rewards
open tiger
Depends a bit on your build
open tiger
Weapon?
open tiger
Prolly hermes, then, since you already have her dash
Could get Dio first, see if you're missing anything Athena might give you
leaden epoch
You can't but if you COULD, what could you achieve
thorny surge
why choose between her being best friend or best girl
when she's objectively both
glad phoenix
Idk, I just find it easier to make two categories
graceful quail
You gotta love the narrator making up stuff for when you eventually die anyway
shadow drum
the exotic sallow fruit killed me
graceful quail
I got ran over by a chariot for not looking both sides
open tiger
I've run into a looney tunes wall
thorny surge
I got sideshow bob’d
shadow drum
yo is the zeus heart unlock bugged bc i could not have gotten the demeter-zeus duo more times
clear oracle
No
open tiger
Does it show a lock or a clock?
clear oracle
Not every content is out yet.
shadow drum
lock
clear oracle
Also the chances of getting Duos are not affected by your affinity with Gods
open tiger
The Zeus favor is related to talking to Zeus and Demeter, though, at least on the wiki
However, there might not be anything beyond that yet
shadow drum
hm i've he's stopped mentioning demeter after 4 or 5 specific references to her daughter
glad phoenix
Could you imagine if in order to get dusa back you needed to win WITHOUT any mirror buffs?
open tiger
Because the mirror got dusty?
glad phoenix
Because it could show you rebelling against Nyx I guess
And she might reconsider her behavior out of concern or respect for you
open tiger
I guess
It'd be way funnier though if everything got like, super dusty while dusa was gone
glad phoenix
Would be funny if you technically had to do it without the mirror
and nyx rehired her
and you ask if it was because you did it without the mirror
and nyx said "no things were just dusty. you did what?"
open tiger
Then again, I doubt Dusa cleans Zag's room :P
glad phoenix
Good point
open tiger
:D thanks!
clear oracle
Inspired me to do a boon less run
open tiger
Good luck! (Or did you already do it? 😯)
clear oracle
Working on it
open tiger
What heat?
clear oracle
0 lol
open tiger
Fair
open berry
@shadow drum have you gotten the zeus/demeter duo? There are two variations to their duo, one in which zeus initiates, and one where demeter initiates. you posted demeter-zeus so i'm wondering if you do mean the one demeter initiates there. the one you get actually does matter
open tiger
@clear oracle How'd it go?
open tiger
best of luck!
open tiger
nice!!
clear oracle
Need to make a new acc since my real name is on my normal one lol
YouTube acc that is
glad phoenix
So other than Meg/Sisyphus, which companion would everyone recommend I boost?
mystic mortar
open berry
skelly is incredibly useful
glad phoenix
Any reason why skelly's so good?
mystic mortar
skelly draws enemy aggression, so they aren't damaging you as much and are clustered in a small area for you.
open berry
yup. all companions are situational but i would argue that skelly has higher utility overall simply because you can't go wrong with any build with setting out a target that attracts enemies in particularly sticky rooms
of course you have limited uses per run for all companions but skelly's usefulness isnt to be underestimated if you use him carefully
sometimes i find using the companions from romanceable npc a bit finicky, esp meg if you screw up the target
bouldy isnt bad either but i mostly used him for codex completion so i couldnt say beyond that
but yes anyway def rec skelly if you havent leveled his companion
split kelp
Bouldy is my best friend.
With him you trade damage and control for utility, which I think is perfectly fine with a limited resource.
The heal-on-demand is just worth so much in a game that makes healing a rare resource.
open berry
yeah i may have liked bouldy more if i had him maxed out but i was prioritizing other things at the time
so i just left him where he was, lv3 i think? and did enough summons to finish out the codex entry
half the time i forgot to use him lmao, but i forget companions in general a lot as it is
at least last update did add a reminder for players but i am just. easily distracted and forgetful
split kelp
Once I got him I made it an absolute priority to max him out immediately and I try to use him as much as I can, within reason obviously. Having a charge left for Hades is a nice thing.
open berry
yeah bouldy and skelly being the only ones you can use at the end are another checkmark in their favour
skelly's comments are always funny at hades
ornate siren
I just got meg as my first companion and it's been a really noticeable boost
open berry
🎉
cerulean hamlet
i use bouldy entirely as a darkness farming adjunct
dense sparrow
bouldy=hades clutch heal
silk saffron
I didn't register the word heal so I thought you were talking about having a bouldy handbag and I was kinda excited
dense sparrow
friend, are you serious?
vapid parcel
you can store food and money in it, like in the real bouldy xD
open berry
vapid parcel
love is stored in the bouldy uwu
open berry
inhales, why must you pun
glad phoenix
The puns hurt
silk saffron
It was a good pun though
dense sparrow
it was puny for a pun
clear oracle
Intent your pun coward
dense sparrow
then go to oblivion and stay there
ornate siren
Ooh I got Thans companion as well!
split kelp
Than's is probably the one I'm the most iffy about, like it does good things but it's kinda like Meg's, just more limited imo.
maiden ferry
whens the june patch coming out? is there a dev blog or patch notes or something ?
junior field
in June, probably
maiden ferry
Soon™
upbeat willow
according to announcements sometime in june, with a technical beta sometime before that
atomic forge
Hey there folks. Do you have any tips for the Lord Hades boss fight ? I only managed to damage half of his health
thorny surge
Keep an eye on his movements
He coreographs his moves a lot so it’s easy to tell what he’s about to do
You can bounce his skulls back at him with athena boons
nimble merlin
So, I've renovated the house and got the stuff going with Dusa... ||but she got fired by Nyx. Will there be a way to get her back or is she now fully gone? I am also missing the last two hearts after the arrow in the relationship.||
thorny surge
Just keep advancing
junior field
and Athena's trap boon protects you from Hades' vases
open tiger
to my knowledge, 6
trail garden
oh ok
clear oracle
They do :D
open berry
asterius solo encounter counts as a boss since defeating him affects his health in the boss room, yes
trail garden
so you have to fight two bosses at the same time?
I guess thats not that surprisng seeing as how bone hydra was essentially multiple
though Im sure still not comparable
hollow mortar
You could compare all of them once you get to see their Extreme Measures versions 
trail garden
lol
split kelp
EM Asterius is so terrifying.
hollow mortar
Although, to be honest, I'd say Hydra & Heroes fights are on the same difficulty. But that's just me!
split kelp
Might just be the fact that I'm very used to EM Lernie by now while only having done EM Heroes a handful of time but I'm still terrified of that armored cow.
trail garden
you get another titans blood when you defeat the furies individually even with the same weapon right?
split kelp
You only get the bounty from the blood once, regardless of which fury you face.
split kelp
Yes.
trail garden
alrighty
split kelp
You can get two per run.
split kelp
You mean the sneering idiot who tends to get his butt kicked, with the deranged cow in tow?
open berry
i love that sneering idiot thank you very much
trail garden
whenever its not meg
split kelp
Can't quite follow you, but the rewards for the bosses go Blood (Furies) -> Diamond (Lernie) -> Ambrosia (Heroes) -> Blood (Final Boss)
trail garden
ok then I guess its just a random piece of art
someone told me i'd have to wait and see but oh well
hollow mortar
I think they are referring to Thanatos
split kelp
Yeah, might be Thanny. In that case, no, Thanatos just occasionally shows up and helps you a bit if you can beat his challenge.
outer raft
Wasted so many drinks on Eurydice and you can't even bed her
split kelp
She's married, dude.
outer raft
they had broken up!
mystic mortar
why would you want to bed someone else's tree?
outer raft
I thought she was fair game
hollow mortar
Well.... you will eventually find out that that's not really the case 😅
open berry
😬 well the romanceable npc are only ones at the house
haughty carbon
Sorry to break your stride in branch of that, but ||They eventually reunite. ||
outer raft
I didn't know what the drinks were for tbh - kept giving them in hope she'd make more more of her concoctions
I'd not learned at that point that only some could be companions
So was giving all of mine to her and Athena
hoping to get some bonuses out of it
I know better now 🙂
hollow mortar
Aw, that's so sweet of you! Gifting Eurydice nectar so she would have more ingredients 
She does thank you for that in one instance
outer raft
That she does
wraith aspen
So what happens when you max out affection level and"forge a bond"? Do you get anything or is that the end of their storyline?
open berry
thats basically it
drifting citrus
you should get some additional dialogue, but yeah
wraith aspen
Alright, thanks
hollow mortar
Well, 5 of them will gift you something nice and useful 
drifting citrus
like ||meg can have new dying lines|| after forging a bond
wraith aspen
Unfortunately, Artemis is not one of those lucky 5 I assume.
open berry
nope
none of the olympians
the something nice is something you get from specific people you form a close bond with
largely house npc
oblique ferry
Hey, if Zag, Meg, and Than decided to bring Theseus and Asterius into their relationship. But then Theseus was weird about things and they all ended up breaking up. But then got back together because they’re still friends. Would that be the same relationship or would this be a ‘ship of Theseus?
vale dove
Where can I read a list of all the "You won the game but there's not ending so you die" quotes?
open berry
the end cards? im not sure ive seen a list anywhere
vale dove
alright
split kelp
Hmmm, I still have a lock heart symbol on Artemis and Aphrodite, is that a case of just waiting a while until they talk to me as well?
I think I have at least started the Nyx - Ares questline.
hollow mortar
If it has a lock, you will need to wait or to fulfil certain conditions
open berry
worth noting aphrodite is bugged for some people so even if you've fulfilled her conditions you may still end up locked out of it until update
keep talking to artemis though, you may be missing some of her relevant dialogue, she's the easiest one to finish out
split kelp
I'll definitely keep talking to good ol' Artemis, she takes damn good care of me.
Even though I always, always tick her off when it comes time for trial of the gods. I fear I might be sending some mixed messages.
open berry
the gods send mixed messages themselves, it's probably fine 😅
split kelp
That is very true, and Artemis in particular always sounds kinda resigned when it's time to start running from her wrath again.
open berry
sorry arty your trial is one of the easiest, nothing personal!
oblique ferry
I honestly think they give the easier trials more sympathetic dialogue
split kelp
Arty's trial is by far the easiest imo.
oblique ferry
Aphrodite and Poseidon give me the most trouble, followed by Athena, who’s trial is more annoying than dangerous
split kelp
Poseidon I find manageable, Aphrodite you really need to pay attention or you're in a world of hurt, Athena is generally fine for me. Tends to drag out a bit more so more dangerous on TD2 but overall not bad.
Demeter is terrifying, you do not mess with granny.
open berry
Demeter is one I actively avoid bc the cold spread has such a wide range
Athena is definitely more of an annoyance so I usually just avoid it anyway
anyone else doesn't necessarily give me trouble but sometimes my choice can depend on the map too
split kelp
Athena I always tick off unless I can tick of Artemis instead. I find dealing with her stuff not to be any sort of issue.
Unless it's TD2, then I might reconsider, but I very rarely run that.
open berry
I mention a lot I just avoid athena automatically due to how bad her trial was in elysium back before greatshields got nerfed 😅 there was nothing worse than getting greatshield athena trial, you could be there for ages
it's way better now but it's just kinda ingrained in my head to stay away
split kelp
I wasn't around for that so I don't have any PTSD regarding that.
open berry
greatshields had a much shorter vulnerable period before they got nerfed, it was terrible. so combining that with athena trial made dealing with them unnecessarily frustrating
split kelp
Greatshields are still a horror to deal with.
open berry
imagine them with less time to hit them :)
proud flare
Allow me to broadcast today's Trail of Best Uncles: First serie
https://i.imgur.com/cxq8w7R.png
split kelp
There are two uncles in that picture.
proud flare
that's a draw so we had round2
https://i.imgur.com/tyTMv5F.png
I havent tried blizzard shot duo before, so the first second I cast I was thinking "hopefully I get a little more damage lol"
And it turns out to be very destructive
red bough
I mention a lot I just avoid athena automatically due to how bad her trial was in elysium back before greatshields got nerfed 😅 there was nothing worse than getting greatshield athena trial, you could be there for ages
@open berry they were already nerfed? wow, they're the most annoying ones and hardest to deal with of the exalteds by far
open berry
january update nerfed greatshields
red bough
I started playing in march xDD
what other nerfs and buffs are we expecting in june's update?
open berry
https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520688884011499520/669238755634446368 21 jan, Exalted Greatshield: appearance rate reduced; non-Elite no longer has a spin attack; reduced rotation and increased vulnerability times
we dont know what nerfs and buffs there will be til the patch notes come out. the only thing im 100% expecting based on feedback ive seen is increased rate of chaos fishing spots or smth, bc thats been smth everyone has unanimously said needs to be changed
silk saffron
I need more fishing spots not because I need the rewards from the chef but I just really like fishing
upbeat willow
I doubt chaos fishing rate spawns will increase purely because the fish from there give you rare drops (though it would be nice to see)
bold niche
yes, but it's so rare you can get several drops like these just from grinding bosses or from Shadow Broker
it even feels like chief doesn't pay enough for them
open berry
they're beyond obnoxiously rare though. no one wants them to be common, akin to regular fishing spots, but the way they're set up currently means you rarely will find one unless you gear yourself specifically to do so, like repeatedly spawning chaos when possible, ect. and even then it's a chance
that's why we're asking for them to be reworked
i played a good like.. 50? 60? hours since march update and still never found one, and at that point the low spawn rate is a bit absurd
verbal prawn
I've seen it once and I've played about the same, maybe more for the last patch
it definitely needs to appear more often
upbeat willow
I do agree with you just said Skal 
(the thing about codex requirement)
verbal prawn
i checked my save and realized the time I caught it was a run i abandoned, so I can't even confirm what the codex requirements were 
so just in case i deleted that; i do vaguely remember it wasn't different from the rest though.
upbeat willow
oof 
open tiger
projelly only requires 2, unless it has multiple parts
upbeat willow
huh good to know 
bold niche
today i've looked for some gloves to go out from my home legally, unfortunately there were no medical ones.. so i switched to others.. and then stumbled upon modern gloves for gardeners.. they're made from dark polymer and right hand has plastic claws for precise interactions with soil..
and then i thought about Malphon.. and the fact it was picked by Demeter as her main weapon.. and she is a goddes of seasons and farming..
foggy cobalt
bold niche
coincidence? i don't think so
glad phoenix
I would love a small garden in this game that updates between runs
but i can't imagine anything to garden
open tiger
pom trees!
open tiger
guys, I just figured something out
Zag isn't the god of blood
dangit, bot won't let me but I'm trying to post an image of Alecto saying "the god of trash"
thorny surge
he's the god of farming
it's just that he stands for a different kind of farming
thorny surge
things at the contractor are so expensive because he's subconsciously making everything expensive so he can farm more with his budding divine powers
foggy cobalt
Zag: ::wielding Aspect of Demeter:: Time to farm... 😎 some noobs.
glad phoenix
Orphy is taking an obscene amount of time to progress with praising my musical talent
and i'm starting to like this man less and less
open tiger
I just realized that Hades' beard is his symbol
thorny surge
did he style his beard after his sygil or his sygil after his beard?
we may never know the answer to one of the game's most important questions
bold niche
well, that depends.. if the sygil style has something to do with Hades' former weapon
open tiger
ooh, good point
bold niche
it's.. improbable that his fork was made to look similar to his moustache
cloud geode
The cast symbol on the boons is his symbol
bold niche
but not impossible
cloud geode
He liked his beard so much he wanted the symbol to look like it and not the other way around
open berry
@glad phoenix it takes at minimum 210 strums from start to finish for the quest so you have a long way to go regardless
glad phoenix
I believe I'm done with the quest as every time i play the harp it sounds good
and takes forever to go again
open berry
orph comments were at 20/60/110/210 so it does feel like it takes a while lol he should say smth to you when youre done though
if he didnt you have to go on another run and come back
glad phoenix
i mean interacting with the lyre/harp aka "Play?" requires me to wait so much longer
open berry
if its actually music then yeah you should be done, but youre still required to speak with orpheus to officially finish
compact rune
Is there any way to speed up the grind for the Elder Sigil? (Nyx and Chaos)
drifting citrus
playing on heat you've already done on a dark thirst weapon
drifting citrus
go after chaos boons and poseidon's boons
compact rune
Ah
drifting citrus
you don't have to win on a hell mode run, if you die before hades the prior bosses will have darkness as rewards instead
compact rune
I've died enough to know that as a fact x(
drifting citrus
(i believe ocean's bounty and sunken treasure are the two pos boons)
compact rune
Yeah Bounty increases the amount gained iirc
drifting citrus
but dark thirst with a good chaos boon would be enough
compact rune
Thank you!
drifting citrus
👍
alternatively
if you want the darkness now, you could use a key to take all the darkness out of the mirror
not what i would recommend, but it's an option
open berry
that option is only viable if you've played enough to retain a stockpile of darkness after the 8888 to still get much of the mirror back, which is what I did. if you're still building on upgrading the mirror, then no, don't do that
amber vessel
i've had stacked more than the required amount for a while now
but they just won't ask me to use it
achilles was telling me something about parent and children growing apart, but that's it
thorny surge
Have you advanced both Chaos’ and Nyx’s relationships?
iirc you need to have them both at maxed nectar and then speak with both to trigger it
amber vessel
yep, can't go no further with either
thorny surge
Weird
Try speaking to everyone in copious amounts, nyx having a metric ton of dialogue sometimes makes some events progress a bit slower due to you not getting the right piece of convo
primal cipher
Yeah, I booted it up the other day and was shocked to see new Nyx dialogue show up after how many runs I've done
graceful quail
Anyone else wish the game to have twice as much content? It is such a good game
I want ten more characters, two more weapons and an alternative main character at least
plucky night
The shadow for the new update is 100% charons sprite right?
supple dagger
Do you think Eurydice and Artemis would have a nice friendship?
split kelp
It's almost guaranteed going to be Charon, yes.
plucky night
I mean hes the only one whose still hooded
split kelp
IIRC they did the same tease for Nyx, and Charon is maybe the last major character left that doesn't have a full ingame model.
bold niche
maybe another god's storyline
plucky night
he's connected to hermes
basically the only person in the game he apparently talks to
bold niche
also they wanted to make new boons, and Hermes has the least of them, so..
plucky night
Hades/Cerberus/Achilles/Patroclus/Hypnos are still unfinished
Hades is probably last and Achilles/Patroclus are certainly together
eternal breach
If Hypnos' stuff isn't as good as the boi deserves imma howl at supergiant's house
graceful quail
if you could add a new character to the game which would be an appropiate one?
they could add daelous and a new zone in elysum where he is working, with interesting dialog about his hammers and upgrades
plucky night
Apollo because I'm basic and I think he'd be cool
graceful quail
what boons would he give?
viral drift
It coold be cool to meet heracles outside of the underworld
atomic forge
what boons would he give?
@graceful quail I agree. Also it'd so much fun to watch him and Artemis quarrel about which one gives better boons
graceful quail
that sounds more like a hestia thing
viral drift
isn't apollo also related to the sun or the light?
plucky night
I'm sure there are tons of gods that would fit health boons
viral drift
There could be potential for blindness
plucky night
but apollo is one of the biggest ones missing imo
graceful quail
well when one think of apollo the first thing to mind is the sun for sure
what about none god characters? who is in hell we havent seen?
did perseus died?
atomic forge
But if i was to think about sun than Helios would come to my mind
plucky night
well actually I think that Adonis would be really cool
since he was raised in hell by Persephone and then Aphrodite wanted him and there was a fight
he was just too beautiful
thorny surge
apollo had a ridiculously wide portfolio
medicine, the arts, archery, prophecies and later on the sun when helios' functions were nommed by apollo
plucky night
apollo was the patron god of Delphi, the religious center of ancient greece
he was one of the big guys
atomic forge
I wish to see Prometheus actually. His boons would be cool. A very wise man and the stuf
plucky night
ironically the most important gods were probably him, athena, and Dionysus
viral drift
why not a character who has complicated family relationship that could talk about it with Zagreus like some oedipe's children
plucky night
also i think they've been sort of moving away from the complicated family relationships
graceful quail
i think everyone lock away in the depths of tartarus like the titans are probably not going to be around
atomic forge
Yeah 😄
thorny surge
from incest, to patricide, to fratricide, matricide you name it
plucky night
given what they did with Demeter
graceful quail
unless we get a new game move, to the depths of tartarus to fight titans
plucky night
that would be cool
thorny surge
nah, that one wouldn't make sense story-wise unless it's an optional challenge thing
atomic forge
That'd be a cool DLC
graceful quail
and yes the greek gods were the most imperfects gods ever
thats why they are so cool
like i sad before, the second game will be persephone fighting her way back to tartarus to confront her ex
plucky night
I don't think they'll add any more gods but I really want Apollo to show up in some form
graceful quail
add persephone with shades this time is personal
supple dagger
Chincer pls. That's a sequel DLC. Lol 😛
plucky night
since he's probably the most important figure they havent touched on yet
atomic forge
I want to ride on Cerberus in next installment
supple dagger
If Apollo did appear anywhere, have him be like Sandra in Pyre. Appear very phantom-like in his sprite.
plucky night
I'm glad they picked Achilles and Patroclus as the heroes though since they were actually the most influential and have a pretty good story
well Achilles was
they could have done like Hercules or something but it wouldnt have been as good imo
graceful quail
achilles along with hercules are probably some of the most recognisable heroes
missing perseus i think?
atomic forge
Guys I didn't want to interrupt and change to subject but any advise for 3. boss ?
supple dagger
Perseus as an alternate boss in Elysium would be neat. Have a boss that actually petrifies you.
cloud geode
guys you're gonna give an heart attack with hercules and not heracles
imagine using fidi against him
thorny surge
nah, perseus doesn't have have the head anymore, he gave it to athena
dusa and theseus boss fight
cloud geode
no no fidi against perseus
thorny surge
the ultimate betrayal
cloud geode
uno reverse card
graceful quail
imagine the following, after tartarus you could end in lava asphodel, or cold caverns asphodel
and from there either elysum, or two new zones
with perseus in one and hercules in the other
atomic forge
Minotaur first
@plucky night Yeah I figured that pretty much. The other guy allways blocks my attacks. But I only defeated them with drunken dodge
cloud geode
she doesn't have the head on her shield, i guess because her head is our best friend floating around the house
thorny surge
if we're going by the myth, perseus gave the gorgon's head to athena as an offering after he killed her
supple dagger
Admittedly, if we're not going to have an interesting ameplay outside of the Underworld, I'm not against them doing what Rebirth/Afterbirth did and change up the environments.
thorny surge
which she slapped on her shield
graceful quail
if you have problem just default to blizzard shot, it destroy theseus through his shield
viral drift
Thesée is pretty easy to hit when he throw his spear you just need to dash behind him
plucky night
but there are lots of heroes that could make a cool alternate boss
atomic forge
if you have problem just default to blizzard shot, it destroy theseus through his shield
@graceful quail what's that ?
graceful quail
blizzard shot is the due of poseidon and demeter
thorny surge
posi and demeter duo, but seeing as you're stuck on the heroes you may not have met demeter yet
graceful quail
oh wait, if you havent reach the surface you cant get it
atomic forge
posi and demeter duo, but seeing as you're stuck on the heroes you may not have met demeter yet
@thorny surge No I've met him but just once
thorny surge
talking about demeter, not poseidon
atomic forge
oh wait, if you havent reach the surface you cant get it
@graceful quail nope I reached and died at Hades boss fight
graceful quail
oh then you can get demeter boons then
atomic forge
talking about demeter, not poseidon
@thorny surge I accidently said "him" sorry
thorny surge
also try using one of poseidon's boons, Razor Shoal
if you hit something with a knockback inducing anything with razor shoal on you will inflict them with a debuff that hurts em any time they move
graceful quail
blizzard shot pierce through monsters as it pushes and also release small shards of ice, this means it obliterate theseus like is nothing
thorny surge
seeing how asterius and theseus are fairly mobile bosses razor shoal tends to do a number on them
atomic forge
Thanks guys. I'll keep these in mind
graceful quail
the first ever win i have was with that
i was like "wtf? where his HP go?"
it is my favorite duo boon for sure
atomic forge
xD
plucky night
just have a lot of dashes
plucky night
health and dashes are probably my biggest advice
graceful quail
ever beat them with ruthless reflexes? it really tests your skills
(ruthless reflex is the alternative talent, one dash but when you avoid damage you get 50% damage for 2 sec)
plucky night
I've never used it
atomic forge
I din't spend any darkness for ruthless reflex 🙂
graceful quail
i used them all for the profecy
atomic forge
I may try but that'd probably be out of my skill range
graceful quail
the hardest by far is stubborn defiance
plucky night
I only recently started playing since the nyx update tbh
graceful quail
that thing sucks
plucky night
*again
atomic forge
I generally spam dashes
plucky night
I almost maaxed out the mirror and haven't really done the alternates yet
any suggestions?
atomic forge
Not really I mostly use originals
plucky night
the duo/legendary boon one seems good
graceful quail
hmm i would use the 80% of darkness heal you instead
plucky night
thats all im using rn
atomic forge
hmm i would use the 80% of darkness heal you instead
@graceful quail oh yeah that's the one
graceful quail
3 hp per chamber isnt bad but, the alternative turn every darkness trove into a massive heal
plucky night
oh that does sound good
atomic forge
It's pretty useful after bosses
graceful quail
fiery presence is mostly useless
golden touch is what im using right now to farm some titan bloods
but im like at 2-3 heat
bold niche
another non-god character? why not Leuce? there can be a nice story with her to tell in sgg style
how she wanted to be loved, how their romance with Hades didn't work out, how she stuck in Elysium, even still alive, unable to escape.. hidden, forgotten..
disappointed in all the living beings and especially chtonic people
and then Zag shows up and tries to solve everyone's problems, even if he wasn't asked to do so
and succeeds
open berry
hades relationships, while certainly important to the story, are not the focus though
like theres a lot of tension between hades and demeter for many obvious reasons, but its still something largely kept to the background that you find out in bits and pieces, but its never put into a significant focus
bold niche
i guess, since they are still in the past, they are merely causes of Leuce's behaviour
hollow mortar
They certainly are my personal focus though. I love seeing the stories of characters who end up like Hades
thorny surge
that kinda story sounds pretty depressing though
bold niche
what can be though, is they can become friends with Zag, and she will realise, that not all chtonic folks are bad, and someone needs her
thorny surge
ending stuck in a job you hate and estranged from your entire family, whom you bitterly hate
hollow mortar
Because they tend to be.
Is there something Hades is happy about in his life then?
Besides having Cerberus by his side. That good doggo
bold niche
having everything in order? well, not always
clear oracle
Hades has OCD?
thorny surge
i don't think hades has been genuinely happy ever since persephone left
he seems to be extremely bitter about almost everything
clear oracle
Also what's the beef between Zeus and Hades anyway
thorny surge
we dunno
bold niche
they don't tell
thorny surge
in the some myths zeus transformed into hades to have an affair with persephone, maybe it goes along that way?
open berry
i doubt sgg references the affair with zeus and persephone, even despite distancing demeter from being direct relatives its still kinda.... iffy 😬
bold niche
i guess they will tell the reason someday
my guess it was some kind of property distribution issue
maybe Hades didn't want to be an underworld ruler after all
hollow mortar
If the game doesn't say it or allude to it....
We shouldn't put all the Greek mythology together into the game, just saying 😅
I mean, I don't think Orpheus got pranked by Zagreus into thinking that he's Dionysus in Greek mythology....right?
open berry
yeah i think sometimes in these discussions we get ahead of ourselves and forget that ultimately the game takes inspiration from many aspects of mythology but isnt necessarily following it
thorny surge
sadly we don't know enough about Zagreus to truly know if dyonisus and zagreus were involved in an epic underworld prank
open berry
not knowing enough about zagreus is exactly why hes the main character though, since it gives sgg the liberty to do basically anything they want with him. hes the perfect godly protagonist, a fresh slate almost
hollow mortar
Oho! How clever they are
haughty carbon
After 1.0 SGG then reveals they found ancient scrolls about tales of Zagreus.
thorny surge
wouldn't it be stone tablets though
bold niche
yesterday i've encountered Zeus, and he said "maybe we should tell everyone, that I'm your real father? ahaha"
thorny surge
lmao
yeah he does say that
the best/worst part is that zeus being zeus everyone would probably believe zagreus
bold niche
well, there is another witness now.. Orpheus and his song
thorny surge
zeusgreus confirmed
we've already uncovered the game's main plot twist everyone go refund the game there's no point in playing it anymore
bold niche
Zag: You've made my father to abandon everyone and lock himself up in the routine of the underworld!
Zeus: No. I am your father.
leaden epoch
That's not true! That's impossible!
thorny surge
"look into your Codex, you know it to be true"
graceful quail
when you think you are doing well and a wild tiny vermit show up
graceful quail
talking of bones, i love it when skelly say " the pain is undescribable!", dude you dont have nerves
open berry
very carefully
open tiger
How do skeletons normally talk? Duh
wet wave
Does someone know the date of the next patch ?
balmy crystal
Its a mystery, bounded only by the month of June
I assume someone at SGG knows, but I don't think it's been announced
open berry
check #announcements greg says there will be more info as we draw closer to update time
proud matrix
so for the prophecy to help dusa renovate the lounge
do I need to get every lounge renovation available or is there a specific, special one
open berry
a certain number
off the top of my head i thiiiink i recall someone saying like 12-15
i vaguely recall something about rugs, uhhh hold a moment
glad phoenix
You need a rug for sure
proud matrix
I have everything but the vintage shelves and the disco ball
open berry
vintage shelf isnt needed. that really expensive thing yeah? not required
proud matrix
well whatever it is I hope yall were right and it isn't some special thing that costs 10 diamonds
open berry
try the disco ball
open berry
.
proud matrix
on finishing getting every music track
w/e
its only 5
i can get 2 per run most of the time
open berry
i thiiink the ball is actually required but i know for sure that stupidly expensive shelf isnt bc i never bought it and still finished the quest
but i did have the disco ball for sheer absurdity so maybe try it
proud matrix
most prophecies don't require you to finish a run to reload the requirements
but maybe this one does because i already had everything when I started
i'll just do a quick one with the fists
open berry
depends on the prophecy, the lyre one likely will simply bc you have to talk to orpheus to finish it out
that is, if youve already talked to him and finish up your required strums after that, i mean
but yeah depends on the prophecy, most dont probably
proud matrix
i haven't even gotten the lyre one started yet
for some reason
its never come up when i'm talking to him
open berry
might still be cycling through other dialogue
proud matrix
I'm assuming his questline with eurydice takes precedence or something
I just got them back together
glad phoenix
Ball isn't required
open berry
might be just stuck in dialogue hell, as per usual
proud matrix
they really should do something about that
the amount of grinding you have to do for each piece of dialogue gets really tiring after 50+ hours
open berry
ohh wait i think i see what i overlooked, i think technically ball is required but you just need a certain number from a set of overall required cosmetics but not all
so it is and isnt
eh its subjective, chasing narrative is my motivation for playing the game, likewise i get tired of grind when i have no content left to motivate me
proud matrix
i mean me too but its just a question of the amount of hours that should be required to actually get everything
open berry
you also have to remember that while the game is still being finished up, when they add in a bunch of new dialogue at once it kinda screws with the priority of everything. it will probably feel different if you start a new game in 1.0 with all the narrative in place
proud matrix
most supergiant games are 5 hours or less long
open berry
most supergiant games are also not games built on an inherent gameplay loop in a genre of games that can span dozens of hours in a progressive strength and resource grind
open berry
i have 200+ hr in the game and enjoyed it, so again, its subjective.
and when new update drops i'll probably easily drop another 20-40 hours, it really just depends
proud matrix
it'll probably be a lot more tolerable when the content is all there at once instead of the drip feed yeah
also speaking of hours
I finally god the god damn legendary chaos boon again
I got it 15 gameplay hours ago once
and my game crashed when I killed hades.
so it didn't count.
half shadow
I am at 189 escape attempts right now. Some events never happened for me:
- I never got the Fully Loaded Artemis boon, so I couldn't complete her prophecy
- I never got chaos fish. (I only got the Huge Catch boon from Poseidon once before entering chaos realm, but no fishing point appeared, then a few other times I got the boon in Temple of Styx, which wasn't helpful)
Am I missing something, or is my save bugged maybe? (not sure if this is worth reporting)
P.S.: Also, not sure if anyone else had a similar situation
hollow mortar
For Fully Loaded, I can give you some tips on how to get it. It has helped a couple of people because it's trickier to get.
As for Chaos' fishes, they are extremely rare. It's a matter of luck if you bump into one or not.
half shadow
I see... I tought fully loaded just gives you extra cast charges (well, I haven't done a search on google yet, just saw someone make a post in #h1-builds-and-combat and I assumed that's what the boon did)... so I don't see why'd take so long for fully loaded boon to appear
open tiger
It has certain requirements in terms of what boons you have during the run
half shadow
ah ok
I'll try it myself a few more times. Thanks for the spoiler free tips. (both of you)
Btw, I forgot to mention 2 other events that didn't happen...
- I gave nectar to Aphrodite, and got to her last heart, which has a lock symbol on it. But I have not been able to unlock it so far in order to be able to give her ambrosia.
- Similar situation with Zeus
Same question: Am I missing something, or am I just unlucky?
P.S.: I managed to unlock the last heart for Artemis, and gave her ambrosia already. Is this like a 1 god thing? You make a bond with one olympian, and then you can't do it with the rest?
fickle comet
Lady Aphrodite's affinity progression is bugged at the moment for some people, so you might not be able to get that.
Lord Zeus's progression should unlock at some point. I think you need to see a lot of conversations between Lady Demeter and Lord Zeus first for that to unlock.
half shadow
ah, I see. Thanks
primal cipher
It might unlock through romancing other npcs since she has unique dialogue for that?
thorny surge
Thus far you can only romance dusa and the othwe two inferior options, everyone else is just pals
upbeat willow
yeah aphrodite's affinity progression is bugged for some unfortunately
thorny surge
Good thing she’s worst goddess
hollow mortar
Nono, you are in the wrong channel. This isn't #h1-builds-and-combat
half shadow
btw...
As for Chaos' fishes, they are extremely rare. It's a matter of luck if you bump into one or not.
@hollow mortar Can you (or anyone) gimme an example of what extremely rare means here? How many chaos fish did you get (with or without Huge Catch boon)?
in how many escape attempts
I was curious
upbeat willow
yeah they're incredibly rare
I have approximately 0
in about 75? escape attempts, I can't be bothered opening up steam to check atm 😅
hollow mortar
I have found 3 fishing spots so far, I believe. And I’ve made around 330 escape attempts.
half shadow
damn... I'm at like 190 escape attempts, and found 0 so far
any times you got in chaos realm having Huge catch boon tho?
hollow mortar
You can find more info about spawn rates and conditions here: https://hades.gamepedia.com/Fishing
junior field
I found only 1 Chaos fish, and that was when I had the fishing boon
fickle comet
I've seen 0 fish in Master Chaos's realm.
hollow mortar
I found them without Huge Catch.
hollow mortar
They asked, I answered 
fickle comet
S-sorry.
half shadow
I see. Thank you
thorny surge
Yeah, chaos feesh are extremely rare
I’ve only caught a couple of them also without huge catch
glacial zodiac
frozen jolt
I’ve found 2 without huge catch, I have over 200 runs but most of the runs were before fishing was added....
I also missed the first fish but the second was legendary so is fine
fickle comet
What's the name of Hades's weapon?
junior field
the old one or the current one? The old one was Varatha, I don't memba the current one. He does mention its name tho.
or Veratha, it's the same spear you use
fickle comet
The one he has now, yeah. I know Varatha.
dense sparrow
gigaros
gentle copper
why is it called gigaros hmm
fickle comet
Thanks!
thorny surge
tfw remembered the name but mouse ninja'd me
flint bluff
sooo about new "blood pact" update?
who do you guys think is in the picture?
the hat makes it look like odin?]
frozen jolt
odin is from norse mythology, but the coins and oar (not in the picture teaser, but in the video teaser from the long winter update) and the name of the update made people speculate its probably charon
also, hes the only character now without an updated portrait
fickle comet
That's definitely Charon. It's called the Blood Price Update. Pretty obvious.
Much like the Nighty Night Update was very obviously about Lady Nyx.
flint bluff
oh
i just never heard about charon and blood being associated
but i guess a "pact" can involve negotiation/money
so yeah
junior field
Styx is kinda bloody and he sails it all day long
@flint bluff https://i.imgur.com/OQGjd0ph.jpg
junior field
Senior Charon
upbeat willow
I want to steal borrow his hat
flint bluff
it'd be funny if when you where about to get out of the underwolr for x number of escapes he would randomly say "good luck my friend"
upbeat willow
would look good on Nyx tbh
flint bluff
and zagreus would be like "wait you can speak"
dense sparrow
smh styx was never supposed to be red smh
flint bluff
and charon sayd "uuuuuuuuuuugghhhhhh"
dense sparrow
and there was no acheron, cocytus or lethe in the game
junior field
is Styx's color ever mentioned anywhere?
upbeat willow
nah charon would say "grrrrrrhhhhd lrrrhhhh"
dense sparrow
well, it was supposed to be murky, i remember
vernal quail
Lethe is in the game. It's at Elysium.
I don't think we see the other rivers though.
junior field
Phlegathon
ornate siren
We definitely see phlegathon because I can hear the word
graceful quail
Isn't that the river of flames in asphodel?
junior field
yep
graceful quail
The real final boss will be the narrator that keeps killing you just because
frozen jolt
i FINALLY completed dusa's romance, shes so sweet 
open tiger
woohoo!
frozen jolt
it took me so long bc i had like no ambrosia but completing the duo boon prophecy helped... and now i have way more than i know what to do with
open tiger
saaame
split kelp
Thus far I've been holding off on the relationship stuffs. I got tons of Ambrosia but I'm already with Meg and I don't wanna hurt either Dusa's or Thanny's feelings and I don't want them to get a wrong idea.
open berry
they won't be hurt lmao
It seems from my observation the only one getting hurt tends to be the player themselves, in regard to one romance specifically haha
split kelp
Meg is my gal. The first time I heard that incredibly sexy, raspy voice and realized I could romance her it was a done deal.
And I didn't know how well Dusa and Than take it to first get gifted and then rejected and I was too scared to find out...
open berry
honestly as someone who romanced everyone just because that's even a thing you can do, I was very disappointed to find out there's basically no narrative payoff to backing off. all the relationship build up and dialogue only means something if you do the romance, backing off only gets you some short 'are you sure? well ok see you' line and that's about it. for a game so heavy on story it's a huge letdown
atomic forge
(The game isn’t finished yet)
open berry
Thank you for the obvious information
However
It makes zero sense for them to implement all the content for doing the romance option but not backing off
if you see my point there
atomic forge
I can understand, you should chuck a suggestion in for that, if it isn’t already planned maybe you can convince them
open berry
I honestly don't feel it was something they intended to go in depth with, since it wasn't added in with all the dialogue post romance. sgg isn't sloppy, yes the game is still being developed but I just couldn't see them adding in the romance aspect and holding back on back off dialogue for another update. seems like they're largely done with it
open berry
I guess 
open tiger
just did my first 36 heat run (I normally run 5-ish heat)
died to Lernie during the second wave of heads, could probably do it on a second attempt with a similar build
first exposure to EM, starting straight at EM3: dang that's fun
most of the pact measures didn't actually affect my playstyle that much
having to sell a boon wasn't that bad (and I forgot lol) and didn't seriously hurt the build
having one less choice was pretty hard to work around, but I had boon reroll so that helped a bit (ended up with the arty/athena duo, which was neat)
I'm actually going to go through again with EM1, then 2, then 3 again, so I can get all of the story bits
fickle comet
Well, you haven't actually seen EM3 if you died to Lernie.
open tiger
ha that's true
but so far it's been fun
unless I missed something, EM1 didn't seem to change Lernie?
thorny surge
that's because EM affects a boss for each level in the regular order you fight them at
EM1 affects only the furies, EM2 lernie and EM3 the bull and the dull
cerulean hamlet
EM3 also includes all previous EMs. So you’ve experienced EM1 and EM2. You haven’t actually seen EM3
cerulean hamlet
Not to retread what was said, just rephrasing for clarity
open tiger
damnit Zag, you read my mind. Hades said something about his "underlings" doing work for him, and then Zag was like "you sound extra despicable when you say underlings" and I was like "I just thought that!"
fickle comet
Plot twist: Charon is the storyteller.
tall ingot
I thought it was Achilles
fickle comet
Charon and Master Achilles are the same person.
tall ingot
WOOOO
north cloak
Yeah they tempt you with that reference to his cute coils and never deliver
Also, I just unlocked Arthurian aspect, and I'm not sure how, lol
on my last run, I finally beat the champions with the stygian zaspect, lvl 4, but posidon aspect is not unlocked yet
thorny surge
Charon’s prophecy will involve finding a boatman-human translator
open berry
@north cloak you only need to invest at minimum 5 blood into any sword aspect. you dont have to have all aspects unlocked, check pins its detailed there
north cloak
word
split kelp
EM1 affects only the furies, EM2 lernie and EM3 the bull and the dull
"The bull and the dull" is a very nice description. Sounds poetic.
open berry
however incorrect bc theseus has some of the funniest audio 🤧
split kelp
He is a bit of a dunce tho, not gonna lie.
split kelp
And also constantly miscasts us as some sort of monster. We just want mom.
thorny surge
I wonder how advanced olympian tech truly is
Posi does mention warship hulls
I’d usually chalk it to the devs slipping up but sgg seem to be pretty meticulous when it comes to dialogue
Plus there’s Exagryph and the Macedonian
open berry
its all just black magic
open tiger
is Hecate black?
open berry
or go the assassins creed route, its all advanced aliens
fickle comet
To Theseus's knowledge, Zagreus is a fiend trying to escape the Underworld and wreaking havoc along the way that must be stopped.
thorny surge
Yes but it’s not like he’s bothering to listen Zag either
open berry
arent theseus and asterius also technically under orders from hades to stop zag, just as meg and her sisters are...
oh i believe they are
zag: Admit it, Father. Theseus was the only hero you were able to recruit to stand against me. All the while he gets to boast about being the champion. What, was Heracles too busy for the task?
open berry
well its literally what he says
"Speak not to me of Heracles. You know these heroes by their deeds not by their character. Heracles is fortunate he's in my brother's favor. Else he would be in Tartarus where he belongs. The mortal concept of what constitutes a hero is absurd."
sonic sparrow
glad phoenix
Yikes
graceful quail
just add two more elysiums, you could end in the regular elysium, or hill of elisyum where you face heracles, or the elysium garden with the lion
graceful quail
they are call regions of the underworld by the game
i would like multiple regions per tier, like out of tartarus you could end in two asphodels, and out of either in three different elysiums
thorny surge
it would be a mess to implement but i like it only on account of Theseus' inferiority complex with heracles potentially kicking in if you fight Herakles instead of him
north cloak
Dude imagine the interactions with Lernie
graceful quail
yeah i imagine zag mentioning he beat heracles and theseus losing it
also imagine a real hydra in the second asphodel, where it is an ice cold river
open tiger
Or some sorta fish thing
thorny surge
i find amusing how tisiphone is not that off the mark with us since one of her domains is parricide
i.e killing your parents
mystic mortar
patricide
open tiger
And probably regicide and deicide
cloud geode
isn't it your children
open tiger
Well I sure as hell don't think he killed his mom if he did don't tell me please
thorny surge
no that's prolicide
no, but tisiphone takes care of people who murdered either of their parents
cloud geode
someone once speculated perse died of childbirth and that's why tisi tell's zag he's a murderer... but if she's dead she should have had a nice travel on styx back to the house
thorny surge
seing how we commit patricide on the regular she may have been partially justified on her obsesion with us being murderers
mystic mortar
is it really murder tho?
open tiger
Is it patricide if he comes back?
mystic mortar
he's definitely the one who started it
cloud geode
ooof also the styx enemies are alive...
thorny surge
murder is still murder even if the other started it and/or gets better
mystic mortar
also,
Is it patricide if he comes back?
open tiger
"I got bettah"
thorny surge
it's technically still patricide even if it's an admittedly pretty sketchy definition of it
since he actually doesn't survive the fight and outright dies
eternal girder
is Nyx going to come back home? I finished the chaos quest long ago but she hasnt come back
eternal girder
Nice
north cloak
finally
I cleared enough things to get enough blood
to upgrade the stygian zaspect
to finish skelly's quest
to get the diamonds
to set sisyphus free
BOULDY
I'm almost there
Aw crap
I should have waited for Hades to get back to his chair before putting in the work order
to get a rise out of him
bold niche
now i've also payed attention to a faint laughter in Zag's room sometimes.. whatever could that mean
leaden epoch
Honestly, I think it's a bug. I've noticed it happening whenever Hades is holding court and you walk into your room right as/before a shade starts talking
merry sorrel
I'm hoping that the laughter is because a homunculus is growing out of the basin
open tiger
Also, re: Hades getting to the top faster, I'm pretty sure he either has Charon ferry him or does that fast-travel thing they talked about in Percy Jackson
merry sorrel
isn't fast travel when you get knocked unconscious and brought to your destination in a burlap sack or something
north cloak
OH SNAP demeter just spilled the beans about Kore
so we know she left hades, and we know she didn't reunite with Olympus and they can't find her
Threepio, where could she be?
this is awesome. I am 130ish runs in, and the story is still doing major reveals
winged latch
sorry, i'm been MIA so i haven't followed discussions...who do people think is the new character outline?
glad phoenix
I believe the new character is Charon
winged latch
that makes sense
glad phoenix
On the Hades Reddit there should be an illuminated/contrasted/etc. version that shows the image in more detail
winged latch
Thanks.
upbeat willow
an illuminated/contrasted version has been posted in this channel a couple of times too
glad phoenix
Thanks aggy for the backup
winged latch
unfortunately, discord search is not useful because there's so many posts.
search works best with tags
so i'm off to the subreddit
merry sorrel
I did find https://i.imgur.com/OQGjd0ph.jpg
winged latch
^ thank you
#charon
#illuminated outline
#contrast
(for others who might search for it)
upbeat willow
I will say this every time the image comes up.
I want to steal borrow that hat, it's so glorious
and it would probably look insanely good on Nyx
winged latch
charon as a cowboy-esque gunslinger makes sense to me
merry sorrel
if you don't pay for the fare and insists on using his boat he may point his guns at you?
winged latch
i suppose it's the gold-loving, mercernary-esque bounty hunter angle (re: being a partner of sorts to thanatos) which tickles my fancy
mystic mortar
Also, re: Hades getting to the top faster, I'm pretty sure he either has Charon ferry him or does that fast-travel thing they talked about in Percy Jackson
he uses the elder glyph in the admin chamber
or whatever it's called
merry sorrel
eldest sigil
I'm always wondered about why it is called a sigil, is it someone's name? is it chaos' name?
merry sorrel
the word sigil evolved from the word for signature
open berry
no one mentioned that you can hear charon's moaning at the end of the march update trailer where the silhouette was first shown
so yeah its charon
glad phoenix
^that's what we have our resident lore specialist for
open berry
skjhgskjg that has nothing to do with lore thats literally just something you can hear in the trailer 😭
what the hell are my reputations here at this point lmfao
flat shell
Someone who is helpful and the #1 Ares and Hypnos Fan
glad phoenix
Also someone who works far too hard for far too little details on the lore and story behind this game
open berry
i am but my own circus act
should really add theseus to that
im just going to out myself, my top five favs, bam https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/698728164532420770/714688375197532190/how_to_start_discourse_the_tatz_way.png
flat shell
PROBABLY but it always felt like you were just giving him his fair shake story-wise
open berry
i was. i am.
in the process i legitimately came to like him for how ridiculous he is
honks my own funny clown nose
glad phoenix
You like a lot of people I am not a fan of
open berry
:)
flat shell
He's, trying. Even if it puts him as an anatagonistic force to us.
glad phoenix
I appreciate your appreciation for the things I don't appreciate
open berry
hence why i named my file how to start discourse the tatz way bc other than zag and than i am aware i am a holder of unpopular tastes :)
mystic mortar
tatz gives me that "don't look at me I'm pretending not to be a mod" vibe
flat shell
I might dislike him personally but I can recognise he's essentially a Face character in that coliseum and isn't overall a bad dude.
open berry
hypnos got a lot more rep these past months though, im glad for him
HUH
and yeah lmao. honestly i mentioned it once before but like
my true turning point on theseus was the day i was in a really bad rut and i was just kinda going through hades content and got to em3 and just. all of the dialogue theseus has when you destroy his chariot, theyre so funny and it was genuinely a laugh i needed that day
hes silly and stupid
open berry
seeing theseus in the arena like, there he is, the absolute gremlin of a man that i am going to stomp into the floor out of love
sometimes i want to love my favs, sometimes i want to bully my favs
merry echo
does anyone have any theories for what the next aspect could be?
open tiger
Legit theories or funny theories?
clear oracle
everything is a shot in the dark
merry sorrel
bow robin hood aspect: shot in the dark
silk saffron
I would have thought William Tell for bow aspect
thorny surge
why not arjuna aspect
molten temple
I think that would make a fantastic aspect for Coronacht. Since the Arthur and Guan-Yu aspects are both from different cultures from Greece and each other, getting an Indian mythology-inspired bow would be a perfect fit. And Gandiva sounds like a terrific weapon, fitting of the infernal arms.
as far as the next aspect, it'll probably be a shield aspect though
thorny surge
aye, that's why i suggested gandiva, it's pretty much as further from greece as i can remember when it comes to bows
molten temple
As far as mythical weapons that aren't Greek in origin, and if we're trying not to get culture overlap with existing Aspects (Arthurian legend and Chinese mythology), here's my Aspects:
Aegis: Dubán, ash-engraved shield of Cú Chulainn (Irish mythology)
Coronacht: Gandiva, the bow of legendary archer Arjuna which was crafted by Brahma (Hindu mythology)
Alternate: Indrastra, a bow also used by Arjuna that causes arrow-showers to fall from the sky
Malphon: Járngreipr, the Iron-Grippers used by Thor himself to wield Mjölnir (Norse mythology)
Side note: I think this aspect should come after a Rail Aspect to reflect their release order
Exagryph: No idea. Firearms are a little too modern and mass-produced for any one "mythical" version to propagate. Maybe make it into an Anti-material rifle or Blunderbuss. Hell, if we're really having fun with drawing aspects from the infernal arm's "futures" make it into a sci-fi laser rifle from Star Trek/Wars or Warhammer 40k.
flint wing
ooh jarngreipr is a great catch
plucky night
The real trouble with exagryph is I don't know any famous named guns
Like revolver Zag would be hilarious but what would it be called
molten temple
the real issue is that Weapon Aspects don't have a drastic impact on the actual weapon. The Frost-Fair Blade is still a spear, and Excalibur is still a sword (albeit a greatsword rather than longsword). So Exagryph has to continue being a rifle, even if we get to change its visual aesthetics.
plucky night
I dont know any famous rifles either
Like maybe theres a pirate or cowboy somewhere
molten temple
But yes, revolver Zag would be funny. Call it the High Noon pistol.
atomic forge
The problem is that, apart from comic books and novels, there's not much on fictional firearms
I don't know if there are truly mythological(in the classic sense of it) firearms, since the first resembling prototypes are from, like, the 10th century
Indrastra still could make up for it, even if it was more related to a bow. The arrow shower could be replaced by something similar to a machine gun lol
But i don't know how it could be used differently from what can already be done with the Rail and some boons/hammers
molten temple
true. i was definitely thinking of implementing indrastra's arrow shower as being similar to Exagryph's special
atomic forge
Yeah, the special could work, indeed
molten temple
though if we used Hindu mythology on Exagryph, that does open up Coronacht for other regions
atomic forge
What about Agneyastra? A flamethrower would be neat lol
molten temple
omg flame-thrower Exagryph would be the best
atomic forge
though if we used Hindu mythology on Exagryph, that does open up Coronacht for other regions
@molten temple And Hindu mythology is the one that uses bows the most, which is a problem, if we're restraining each weapon to a region. Most mythologies use spears and swords
molten temple
and Agneyastra would still be Aspect of Arjuna
yeah, i'm looking at a wikipedia list of mythological weapons and Hindu mythos has the most bows by region
plucky night
Arjuna had some sick famous weapons
atomic forge
yeah, i'm looking at a wikipedia list of mythological weapons and Hindu mythos has the most bows by region
@molten temple If not the only haha
molten temple
If his wikipedia article is right, Arjuna wielded 26 different Astras in his life, and considering he's most known as an archer i wouldn't be surprised if they were at least mostly bows
atomic forge
Found some other mythological archers, but one is from arthurian legends and the other is chinese lol
molten temple
found a Persian archer called Arash
but yeah, other than that it's an Arthurian bow, a Chinese god's bow, 5 Greek bows, and the Hindu bows.
atomic forge
Oh, that's right. Somehow i confused it, thought it was Hindu as well lol
crisp oar
funyyy
graceful quail
what about for the rail one of those crossbows that reload themselves?
it is that or a revolver and we have zag saying "its high noon"
cloud geode
y'all, what about an hamilton aspect that revolves around special
Because to use special you shoot up,, like Ham did,,,
it's a joke btw but seriously other than a crossbow what do we have?
gentle copper
tbh rama would be like the second best bet
he's one of the few famous archers i know
molten temple
true, though i don't know if sgg is trying to stick to heroic warriors for the 4th aspects. for most weapons, the first 3 aspects are already those of gods (excluding Talos on Malphon and Achilles on Varatha).
thorny surge
not heroic warriors, just non-greek mythos/legends
graceful quail
i imagine fists being just a single fist in the aspect
and the special is a charge forward punch
thorny surge
also all six third aspects are from the six olympians that took part in the titanomachy
graceful quail
aspect of midas, your mega punch stun enemies it hit
molten temple
yeah, heroic warriors of non-greek mythos. At least, Arthur and Guan Yu are mortals.
gentle copper
Guan yu is also technically a god too over here since he's worshiped as a god of war ;o
arthur less so but very much rooted in mythology
molten temple
yeah, though Guan Yu was an actual person that lived for sure (Arthur is apparently a matter of debate).
gentle copper
arthur is super tentative as a real person yeah
dense sparrow
the real guan yu taht lived didnt even use that kind of polearm
molten temple
i think it'd be an interesting challenge to get aspects for at least tentatively real heroic figures
thorny surge
and arthur was likely not even a real guy
A lot of the current deep arthur lore is french court fanfiction
don’t @ me
dense sparrow
@ me
dense sparrow
you must never trust a shrewd being
gentle copper
is it really french court fanfic omg
dense sparrow
not only french court but royal courts in general i think?
the originals were much simpler
molten temple
there's like 1-2 sources of arthur myth before french fanfic stole into the canon
if it's "canon" related to his Knights, it's probably french fanfic
dense sparrow
well, some of the french fanfic directly steal from other sagas like Tain Bo Cuailnge
eternal breach
Off to go 8 heat and get the first skelly prize, wish me luck
dense sparrow
May Fortuna/Tyche be with you, friend
eternal breach
I know its not that much but 7 is my highest so far
molten temple
hey, it's a good level to me. i can't even finish hell mode consistently at 6.
dense sparrow
hell mode? whats that? we play god mode here
molten temple
i saw it when i started a new save coming back in and couldn't help myself
dense sparrow
you are her disciple and she only give you a common? disgustang
eternal breach
No big boi arthur truck in this house
EVERYTHING ELSE WAS EPIC
Shes testing me
inhale so be it
thorny surge
god mode
for shame