#h1-story-discussion

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junior field
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and those are just one liners

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no, it won't let you enter if your HP is too low

lunar ibex
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aw

main gulch
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i think everybody will see it eventually

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unless you're not increasing heat

lunar ibex
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I'm still getting new one liners from hypno

junior field
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hello, my name is ZeppMan217, I have 199 hours in Hades. I play on Hell and all of my weapons are at 22 heat or higher.

lunar ibex
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Is this HA?

junior field
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I have not managed to complete Hypnos' quest because I don't wanna purposefully make my way all the way to Elysium and die

main gulch
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well good on you, keep trying harder heat levels

junior field
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I am, thank you. It just goes to show how unintuitive the questline is

main gulch
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theres no reward for it, and you wouldnt even know it existed if you didn't spoil it

junior field
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oh, but there is a reward

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greater than the gems, or darkness, or bounties

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greater than even the adoration of the crowd

open berry
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my dude i can tell you are frustrated but hypnos literally has very little to say to you unless you die to something. going by that alone someone should eventually make the connection, hey if this guy has no dialogue for me unless i die, continuing this dialogue chain probably involves more death

main gulch
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also since you are increasing heat then you'll see it eventually!

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i saw it early since i suck but you're clearly better than me

open berry
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anyway you're going to keep disagreeing so i'm out of this convo.

junior field
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has nothing to do with sucking and everything with the end goal

main gulch
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i think it's cool that that far in you'd be getting unique dialogue

lunar ibex
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I saw it early too before I had any concept of the mechanics, before I looked at the wiki, before I found this discord

junior field
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you're supposed to get out

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so forcing you to repeatedly die is stupid

lunar ibex
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Im 450+ hours in and I find new dialogue options still

main gulch
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you're also supposed to die for a lot of the dialogue

lunar ibex
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It's not forcing you to die is the point

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It's that at some point, you will die to everything

main gulch
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it just doesnt make any sense for hypnos to even know you encountered asterius unless he killed you

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the only way he knows is its on his list

junior field
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missing out on throwaway one liners and the occasional pep talk doesn't bother me, those exist to keep you interested in playing despite landing face first

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but a multi stage quest with a hilarious reward? That's a real bummer, dude

main gulch
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its just something you have a chance to encounter under certain circumstances to make the world feel more alive

lunar ibex
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exactly

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So that you can still find new content 400 hours in

main gulch
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if the game cycled through all the dialogue

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you'd run out way faster

junior field
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so let people experience it both ways, whether you die or perceiver

main gulch
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it would cheapen it

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besides hypnos has other dialogue for any other scenario

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this would just mean you'd have to die to a certain other enemy enough to exhaust that dialogue

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and keep dying to that same enemy

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or else whatever other enemy you die to he'll say that enemy's line

junior field
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I just said that those throwaway lines don't matter

main gulch
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so they don't happen any more

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?

junior field
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you can exhaust them, yes

main gulch
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you still have to exhaust death lines in that case

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it still requires you to die

junior field
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did you not see the part where I said that missing out on one liners is not the same as missing out on an entire quest, with a conclusion and reward?

lunar ibex
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The content is added for the same reason

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They added it so that after a while you'd stumble upon it and it would keep the game fresh

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Not so you'd look up the content you were missing and then get mad that you hadn't found it yet

junior field
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and you don't have to die for it

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you do an entire run, win, and you see that new content

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or you can die and see it anyway

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see? It's a win-win regardless

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except in Hypnos' case

lunar ibex
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Then it's too formulaic

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too expected

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I think the issue is that we both just like different things from our games

junior field
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pretty sure seeing Hypnos ready to chat each time you die to something early on in the game conditions you to expect something out of him each time you die just as well

supple parcel
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this is a bruh moment

junior field
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and yes, I do wanna experience the full game without having to twist my thumbs, I've had enough of that garbage over decades of adventures

lunar ibex
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bruh

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Then look up how to do everything and nail it out

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Before the internet, there was plenty of content in games that went unseen. The problem is where I find it fun to find new content despite having done nearly everything there is to do, I think you want all of the content to be laid out and easily accessed

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It's just a matter of preference and that's fine

junior field
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you know where I saw the quest being mentioned? Here, in this very channel

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I forgot about its existence entirely until I saw someone mention it, and that they needed to die repeatedly to Asterius in order to progress it

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I dunno how many times I died to him but, evidently, it wasn't enough

lunar ibex
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Some people prefer having things hidden from them until they stumble upon them on their own, others like being able to experience everything the game has to offer without figuring out some sort of secret puzzle

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I honestly don't remember how the quest came about because it happened several hundred hours ago. It's not much more satisfying than hypnos one liners

junior field
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the conclusion, from what I read, definitely seemed far more impactful than any of his death advices

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it also paints the bull and king in a different, more whimsical light

knotty moss
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wait so the new sword aspect is the excalibur? thats dope, but how do i get it? is it the same way as the spear? (im not nessesarily asking the exact method this time)

flat shell
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About the same, yeah. There's a pinned message in this channel if you wanted to know exactly, but it is event unlocked.

torn atlas
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So I need to upgrade the eldest sigil for nyx

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Where does one find that

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Because I've been to the administrative chamber and theres nothing new I can interact with

versed pond
flat shell
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Good work!

torn atlas
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Nice!

versed pond
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Thank you! Is it possible to beat 32th skull with any melee weapon?

flat shell
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Yeah! it just takes practise with it and some luck on your build.

torn atlas
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The fists are quite good

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Because the aspect of demeter packs quite the punch

versed pond
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anyway i need to grind from 1 to 20 on some weapon to get titanblood

torn atlas
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have you completed the one prophecy for the pact?

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and the one for the mirror

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those get you some titan blood fast

versed pond
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i have 14 bloods, can i unlock this 4th thing now?

flat shell
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Check the pinned messages if you want to know how to unlock that.

torn atlas
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You have to wait for Nyx to say something

versed pond
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ok, thanks a lot

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is it worthy or not?

indigo cipher
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It’s a fun aspect imo

flat shell
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it does SO much damage, but it's slow and plays a little differently than the other swords.

indigo cipher
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My favourite for the sword

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Build with aphro or Artemis and it gets a bit silly

dense sparrow
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build with posi is decent enough too

flat shell
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Whether you like it or not is personal preference but there's no harm in trying it out. It's really solid.

torn atlas
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Well I just had a build that could backstab crit for 3156 damage with the 4th aspect

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It's clunky but it slaps

dense sparrow
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its less clunky than bow tbh

versed pond
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at least bow is ranged

ornate siren
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bow isn't clunky Imo

scarlet marsh
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constant desire for blood is turning me into a bloodborne character

restive elk
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Ah, Good Hunter.

dense sparrow
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blood is delicious ngl

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there is a kind of blood jelly that tastes really good

brazen silo
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I...

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I found out you can give stuff to the boulder

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my god I love this game

celest harbor
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he is also giving you a boon

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heart of stone

brazen silo
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wait really? I didnt notice it ._"

celest harbor
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just a small random bonus

brazen silo
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is it the only thing he does though?

onyx spoke
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moral support!

celest harbor
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you belive in boldy and boldy belives in you

barren frost
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Bouldy is the only one who never judges you

celest harbor
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did anyone unlocked the last zues heart?

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ive been using his boons often and yet its locked

barren frost
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Don't you have to give him Ambrosia?

celest harbor
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well yeah

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but you have to unlock it first

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otherwise it wont let you do it

marble prawn
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you just have to keep talking to them

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it...takes a while but i had it happen recently with artemis

dense sparrow
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can you give ambrosia to BIuldy?

celest harbor
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nope

marble prawn
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you can give him nectar just fine tho

frail cobalt
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Does anyone know what the “ambiguity bonus” actually does?

dense sparrow
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not hing

solar vector
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It's a joke and maybe a reference to this according to some Reddit post

formal ivy
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an oglaf reference in one of my favourite video games? yes please

honest wharf
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Do I have to complete the "Kill Skelly" prophecy before I can get the companion from him?

haughty carbon
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yes you have to

honest wharf
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Thanks. Wasn't sure if those two were connected or not.

modern hearth
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An Oglaf comic without nudity?

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I wasn't aware they existed

atomic forge
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They're few and far between, but they're there.

open berry
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LOL that is indeed the mood, they're a rarity

open berry
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hey so like what is going on with that broken 40 heat run horheristo uploaded like ten days ago

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infinite dash, infinite cast, im???? i see.

atomic forge
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Sounds like he was abusing glitches that I think have been patched out.

open berry
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i dont think it was deliberate abuse so much as it was 'theres a lot of stuff thats been overlooked'

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it did get fixed btw but it was just so wild

atomic forge
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I've never encountered either infinite dash or cast on accident.

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No, my play time doesn't account for all of the human Hades experience, but from what I've heard there are a couple of specific steps that must be done in sequence to get those infinites.

junior field
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he used the healing bug for his 40 something GY run, it's all deliberate

open berry
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thats not how i meant deliberate but im not in the mood for a discussion on symantics. he listed the steps involved, and while its not something the average player would uncover, im frankly not surprised people like him would poke and prod at the game enough to uncover the weirdest bugs ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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for every update people are going to keep pushing the game to expose more stuff like that. for someone that doesnt dabble in coding or anything its just amazing how such a sequence of actions results in what happened

dusty elbow
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Ok i just tossed Bouldy on Theseus and he let out this amazing “Buwaah?”

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I’m just laughing my butt off over here, Bouldy is such a good companion because everyone’s just like “what the hell was that?”, including Hades

coarse stone
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The solution to all of life's problems? Drop a rock on it.

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Hypnos not waking up to do Shadeventory? Boulder.

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Alecto sending you a Valentine's Day card? Boulder.

dusty elbow
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Hydra gets its heads tangled again? Boulder.

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Also I dropped Bouldy on Hades and he was like “is this your doing Poseidon?”

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What’s up w that

signal palm
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Just blaming his brothers

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He does that w Zeus too

frail cobalt
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I love all the character’s reactions to all the companion summons

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I can’t believe how much dialogue this game has, fully voice acted

bold niche
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Poseidon is the one responsible for the earthquakes.. guess Hades thought it's a part of some kind of cliff above or something

coarse stone
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Or maybe Poseidon may've been plotting a terrible joke

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with rocks

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also, Tisiphone dressed as the Wicked Witch of the West. Boulder.

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Zag would be Dorothy. Skelly would be Scarecrow. Than would be the Tin Man. Meg would be the Good Witch. And Cerb would be the Lion.

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Alecto can be the flying monkeys.

vapid parcel
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Also I dropped Bouldy on Hades and he was like “is this your doing Poseidon?”
@dusty elbow i think that might be bc poseidon is also responsible for earthquakes iirc

fickle garden
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been out of the game for about a month so maybe i missed something. But is there ever a chance we'll get to see Hercules in some fashion? or possibly just have him mentioned?

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i'd kill to see how they make him look in their artstyle.

dusty elbow
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I believe Hercules gets mentioned!

frail cobalt
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Zag complains that Hades sent Theseus after him and wants a real hero like Heracles or something

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Implies Hades must have been scraping the bottom of the barrel, etc, if I remember right

dense sparrow
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Herakles is a god though

flat shell
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Yup. And Hades really doesn't like the dude, either, and thinks he should be In Tartarus instead of under Zeus' protection.

dense sparrow
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he should, at that

ebon rose
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Zagreus teaching Chaos what gifts are

dense sparrow
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they see it as offerings though

ebon rose
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Sort of. Zagreus basically says that he just gives because he's appreciative of what Chaos does, and Chaos goes: "Oh so it's basically theft then? You were just giving me things because I was giving something without knowing about it? Okay, good to know we have a fair exchange going"

coarse stone
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Chaos is the primidorial troll

dusty elbow
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||to be fair in the next conversation they apologize for calling it theft||

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Can I just mention that I love this game’s depiction of Chaos? Cause usually chaos is depicted as something evil, but this chaos isn’t evil or good. They just are, and sees things in ways different from us but it doesn’t make them bad.

open berry
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chaos is just vibing

normal spire
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chaos is just chaos

scarlet marsh
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[chaos voice] have you considered getting good?

coarse stone
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Chaos: Zagreus, if you ever need help, my grandson will be more than happy to assist you. He likes boat rides on the Styx and tragic poetry

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Then he offers a boon that increases Mort uses

viscid fjord
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when you free Orpheus, can you give him ambrosia and get another item?

dusty elbow
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nah, you dont get another item from him. at least not in the current build.

viscid fjord
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just making sure cause it felt like one of those quest

viscid fjord
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any tips on unlocking sisphulyus item. ive been trying since before the guan yu update

dusty elbow
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first, make sure you've unlocked the record room. next, keep running into sisyphus until zag talks about freeing sis from his contract. then talk to nyx until she mentions where in the record room his contract is kept. go into the record room and interact with the little glowy interactable object. after the next run, Sisyphus's contract will be in the Work Orders menu for 10 diamonds. pay up, and then find Sisy again.

viscid fjord
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its been forever but i think sis and zag talked about it so i guess im just waiting for nyx to tell me where the record is

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the reason i think so is cause every visit i have so far with sis he just wants to give me gold darkness or heart

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and there havent been any new dialogue since like 20 sis visits ago

dusty elbow
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yeah, then that's definitely a nyx trigger thing if you have the records room

viscid fjord
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yeah i got the admin room and she told me how to free orpheous so i got ot hope for that nyx trigger

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thats the last item i need to complete teh game so im excited

lunar ibex
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Sisy is unlocked by talking and gifting sisy and talking with meg and hades whenever you can. Also try and talk to Bouldy every time you get to sisyphus room

ornate siren
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wait you can talk to bouldy

dusty elbow
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yep! once Sisy says something about it to Zag

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then you can talk to bouldy

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and offer nectar for a minor boost!

ornate siren
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oooh

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wait no i'm dumb

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you mean the companion not the literal boulder winemerchant

flat shell
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No, you can!

ornate siren
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oh!

flat shell
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And if you give the actual giant boulder a nectar in Sisyphus' room it gives you a random buff.

ornate siren
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😮

normal spire
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very small buff

flat shell
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I got +10% Cast Damage on my recent run, and that was fun.

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aand then proceeded to not get. a single cast boon until Elysium, so that was less fun

lunar ibex
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It can be significant

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5% damage reduction, 10% cast like silvaria said, 10% move speed

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it can also do nothing at all

normal spire
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the infamous ambiguity bonus

lunar ibex
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There's also an item you can buy from the contractor that adds something like a drama% bonus

restive elk
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Falling petals.

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I'm like 300% convinced that it is WC3 reference.

lunar ibex
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That would be an incredibly deep cut

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But wc3 is one of the GOAT games so its very possible

restive elk
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Well if we draw parralel lines: A king and a prince (check!), A king dies (somewhat? check!) WC3 resurfaced lately (How it turned out...eh. Check!) Petals! Check!

ornate siren
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i saw a wowpedia link and my brain thought i'd somehow clicked on the wow secrets discord which is super close to this one in my server list

dusty elbow
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Pfff, nice

lunar ibex
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You very well might be right because these devs do like to subtly reference their faves, but falling petals is a pretty cliche cinematic effect

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Should ask next time they do an AMA

rocky orchid
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oh my god finaly made it to the surfice was kind of supprised that hades was the boss there though

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(didnt beat em) had no death difiances left and had a MEH run with the fists

ornate siren
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Nice!

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Now you're up to the hard part :p

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Hades takes a while to learn

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I'm having to learn extreme measures furies and also figure out how to safely do Theseus

rocky orchid
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extreme mesures? ho boii!

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also i love demeter she as such an awsum cast change!

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go laser squad haha

ornate siren
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Yeah it's cool!

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Although possibly undertuned rn

rocky orchid
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maybe but im in love with it so imma use it anyway haha together with eagis who can very easely get enemys where you need then to be its quite effective atleast down here on tartarus haha

unkempt locust
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Just got spoiled on certain events in the game and... Thanks Supergiant Games for LGBTIQ+ representation

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Be careful what you watch on YouTube though

restive elk
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Oh yeah, Than kinda blew up here, so no wonder.

low blade
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I’m like 95% sure that is a WC3 reference if only Cos I have no idea what else it would be referring to/its description is way too specific to be a coincidence

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I assumed it was from the first time i saw it anyway

sterile magnet
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The most annoying thing is extreme measures Hydra with +trap damage

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One run, I lost like 3 lives fighting hydra due to lava and the lava spitting heads.

unkempt locust
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I believed the petals thing was just another 'decoration stuff' that Zag was using to anger Hades (like flowers next to Nyx). This also seems likely

restive elk
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Well all things are made to poke at Hades, because remember... We are pillaging his coffers to buy stuff he doesn't want.

eternal breach
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I just got my first companion oh my GOD this is adorable

frail cobalt
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Re: falling petals that’s what I thought too, the WC3 reference I mean

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@unkempt locust but the description from the contractor is something like “falling petals, for 300% more drama when ascending the throne”

junior field
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it's just fluff, guys, you're reading into it a bit too much

unkempt locust
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True, that description is undeniably WC3 related

frail cobalt
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@junior field I’m not reading anything into it other than it being a reference to an event in another game where petals fall dramatically as a character ascends the throne lol

nocturne sandal
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so Hades just asked me why do i bleed like a mortal. Is it explained at a later point in the game or its just something he justs points out?

junior field
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have you met Demeter yet?

nocturne sandal
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yeah a few runs ago

junior field
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did she tell you who Persephone's father is?

nocturne sandal
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no

junior field
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just keep playing then

nocturne sandal
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allright! so many characters to talk to!

cinder jetty
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Zeus should be Persephone's father right?

atomic forge
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In some of the ancient Greek myths, yes. To the best of my knowledge anything and everything related to incest has been removed.

earnest spindle
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Does that make Zag like the god of..mortal blood?

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or blood itself inherently a mortal concept because mortals bleed, suffer, and die a lot

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just like Zag

eternal breach
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Zag is supposed to be the god of rebirth mythology wise so maybe theyll play around with that?

bold niche
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he is the son of king of the dead and goddes of spring and rebirth, what else can be expected from him

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also there is another reason he can't stay.. doing the same thing that his father already does.. there are not so many different gods doing same thing, it always differs a bit

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so he is destined to fail at paperwork

coarse stone
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What if Zag is some kind of god of rebellion or somethin'

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Hence why he fails at paperwork, that's a key point to order (documentation).

drifting citrus
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achilles makes the theory that zag is ||the god of blood||, i think that he's a big old metaphor for the determination and spirit of mortal life

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he represents mortals in the whole god vs mortals theme demeter has set up

open berry
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as you increase your bond with thanatos achilles points this out in his codex entry as well, about life and death being linked

sterile magnet
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Why is repairing the Eldest Sigil so expensive -_-

dusty elbow
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cause trying to connect two beings that havent interacted since the dawn of time takes some work

sterile magnet
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Finally saved up almost enough darkness to get the final mirror upgrade to change fate itself

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And now I need to use them on relationship repair? 😄

merry sorrel
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if you love her, you will reunite her with the parent she loves

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after all, you too are looking for yours

sterile magnet
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Guilt tripped into repairing the Sigil

coarse stone
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Could always be a prank by Chaos

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"Oh, I could always repair it with my powers of utter incomprehensibility. I just choose not to, yet. Cause why not?"

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"So I did all that work...that you could've done with a snap of your fingers?"

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"Yup, was pretty funny."

eternal breach
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"I thought after being tested, cursed and inconvenienced by me every single time you come here you'd know how things go around here"

coarse stone
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Then Zag could point out that the whole expense was for someone else and NOT him. Kinda like paying someone to stay home and play video games during a quarantine.

rocky orchid
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i did it! i beat hades!

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wooooo

restive elk
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Hey gratz on that!

rocky orchid
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only took me 22 runs haha

restive elk
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22 is pretty fast.

dusty elbow
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Congrats!

restive elk
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I'm like 100% sure you will see dialogue about things you already done long ago.

rocky orchid
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"pretend for now lord ades absolutely clobberd him"

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nice

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@restive elk oh yes thats been happening for a while haha

restive elk
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Back in december it took 22 runs to beat meg, but those were really rough times.

rocky orchid
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oef

restive elk
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And I mean december 2018

dusty elbow
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Honestly I don’t mind getting sent back to start after a successful run because the ways in which Zag dies are plentiful and sometimes hilarious

dense sparrow
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slipped on a banana

restive elk
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Fatal rake handle to the forhead

dusty elbow
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Ran into a wall painted to look like an exit

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although I did encounter one where the method of death was simply waiting for him to die of old age

dense sparrow
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wait zags a god

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how can he die of old age

dusty elbow
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I need to find the screenshot but I’m comfy in bed

dense sparrow
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also geras, old age is the son of nyx, so does nyx make zag die?

dusty elbow
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@ me in the morning and I’ll find the screenshot I took of that death message

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Point is, most of them are hilarious and not out of place in a Looney Tunes skit

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Imagine, you just beat the lord of the dead and you end up dying via rake to the face

restive elk
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My favourites are "He can't keep killing me, he'll run out of Ideas!" and "Yeah, sure, I'll dive in that blood pool"

dense sparrow
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who is the greek god of rakes?

dusty elbow
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Uuuuuuuh

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Probably Demeter

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Cause farming

rocky orchid
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i also like how your hud goes away if you dicide to stand and liston to euridecy

dense sparrow
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eurydice

restive elk
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Sometimes Hud goes away even if you charge the bullrush in the corner and watch how enemies try to get through the Shield.

rocky orchid
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hahahah never tryed that

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guess i never got bored enouth to do that haha

dense sparrow
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that is best strat for the timed rooms

rocky orchid
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huh

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you right

normal spire
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I've yet to beat the game without God Mode because I forgot to turn it off

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Time to do an honorable run without it

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Though the reduction is like 25% or sth

eternal breach
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You guys keep getting funny end messages? Ive only gotten a generic one and the clobber one so far but then again ive only beaten the game 4 times

haughty carbon
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there are a lot of them, but eventually they recycle

restive elk
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Problem is they dont exactly play in order.

normal spire
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I got the blood pool, the precipice and uhhh

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The one where it says father probably ran out of ways to kill me

dense sparrow
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just got the dream one

normal spire
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What does it say

dense sparrow
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basically that it was just a dream and nothing happened

burnt harbor
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Has someone told Zag what's the definition of insanity yet?

bold niche
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wonder who can it be

coarse stone
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Than probably has

teal rose
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or, yknow, instead of bein a sign of insanity doing the same thing repeatedly is the definition of Training and Also Learning New Skills and Sometimes Just Having A Good Time

dense sparrow
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afaik zag is not masochistic

open berry
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I've gotten end cards of zag dying to like. mushrooms and beetles

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or the one that basically amounts to 'bold of you to assume the narrator has run out of ideas, perish'

frail cobalt
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@dense sparrow hahahah zag not masochistic? shadesmile

burnt harbor
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Than: Snickers
Meg: Snickers harder

open berry
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in fairness i think than would think zag is more a fool than straight up a masochist. but meg knows he is

spiral pond
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oh no

atomic forge
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I've turned Than down, but in Meg's romance scene there is a whoosh sound like Meg is swinging her whip in her fight and then a Zagreus "hurt" grunt. So, uh.

spiral pond
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this game is rated A now

frail cobalt
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“I can take it” when he goes in the chaos portals

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Doesn’t just sound like he’s being informative

spiral pond
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hes enjoying the searing pain

haughty carbon
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Than's scene is just manly giggling.

spiral pond
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manly giggling

open berry
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its... not wrong....................

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sure was just. a lot of giggling between two adequately fit dudes

cursive compass
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That’s it

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They were just laughing at some jokes

haughty carbon
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Just two dudes being guys

cursive compass
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Nothing else

spiral pond
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yeah its just they tickle each other

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nothing wrong with that

cursive compass
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but with what are they tickling?

spiral pond
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narrator sees it all

cursive compass
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Poor narrator

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Actually- the narrator does kinda kill us at the end everytime

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So that’s the least we can put ‘em through

frail cobalt
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Zagreus: More pain and suffering, for sure. After all, you taught me to appreciate the finer things.

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Alecto: Huh! You really must like pain an awful lot, redblood. Or maybe it's just me. Zagreus: You see, Alecto? Turns out we do have a common interest after all.

vale dove
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rip, didn't get to ask my question about if it would be possible to walk around olympus to talk with the gods when they have an ending

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Although they probably wouldn't say much about that anyways

frail cobalt
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Yeah I doubt they will reveal their plans for the ending

vale dove
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I do really hope so though. I'd like to see models for the olymians

open berry
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that would be interesting purely to see how they would handle aphrodite, since she's.... nude.

vale dove
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Possibly steam clouds or have her hair cover any private parts

errant mango
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I personally don't care if we ever get to see Olympus, but those character models would be interesting to see

hot bluff
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Calling it: the remaining room yet to be explored in the House is Hades' bedroom. With new info on Persephone, maybe.

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(just struck me and feels rather right since Zag has a place)

signal palm
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crazy idea: It's the door to another hall just filled with more doors

errant mango
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It has to be the storage room for Hades' capes

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You can rummage through it and maybe find some info on Persephone, maybe

tall ingot
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This must hades bedchamber

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there must be more story info about mother huh

hot bluff
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It has to be the storage room for Hades' capes
@errant mango Oh YES this one

minor oyster
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what if we kissed in hades bedchamber 😳

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memes aside I wonder if it will just be pure story stuff or some gameplay elements involved

coarse stone
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Hades' bedroom would probably have a gigantic portrait of himself

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(with Persephone of course)

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and pupper Cerberus

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(and pictures of Zeus and Poseidon. That are drawn over with ink.)

stark tulip
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also all of hades’ wigs and tape on beards

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he’s actually quite tame under there

coarse stone
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and a gigantic book of Zag's baby pictures.

errant mango
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The beard is actually 100% moustache

haughty carbon
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and just for measure, there is a paper with a written guide how to form his beard, in case it is shaved off or gets untangled.

coarse stone
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Because at some point, Hades' must have been "Wait, since I'm having a son, I'm going to do the tried and true father trick. Parental embarassment, MWAHAHAHAHA."

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Than's room would just be a chair, a scythe polishing desk with the materials for it, and a bookshelf full of books on Narcolepsy and helping family members cope with it

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(as well as a few books on how to curb reckless behavior in children)

frail cobalt
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@stark tulip reminds me of Endeavor from my hero academia

coarse stone
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Hypnos' room would be 5 beds, all with very fluffy mattresses and a ton of pillows.

frail cobalt
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Since all his “facial hair” is flames generates strictly for the appearance and he looks a lot more like a normal dude without them

coarse stone
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Zag with Hades' beard = Hades

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He's so hard on Zag because he thought Zag would take after him to run the Underworld

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Then Zag made a corny dad joke.

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So Hades' wanted to disown him ever since.

atomic forge
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Hey I also have a question lol. ||Like the plotline with Eurydice and Orpheus, will there be anything like that for Achilles and Patroclus? I'd love for there to be something like that for them, considering their story is one I enjoy a bunch.||

open berry
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its hinted

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i do fully believe they plan to resolve that by the time the game hits 1.0, or at least address it in some manner

atomic forge
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I really hope so

coarse stone
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Maybe have Achilles moved into the House

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because Alecto broke in

open berry
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after zag regains access to the admin room, he has dialogue with achilles about it

atomic forge
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Ooh ok

coarse stone
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Hades couldn't say no to more security

hot bluff
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after zag regains access to the admin room, he has dialogue with achilles about it
@open berry Yup, and Achilles says something like "not yet" I think

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But it'll definitely happen 🥰

open berry
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||ACHILLES: I know you mean well, lad. And, from the bottom of my heart, where it once was, I thank you truly for the thought. However... don't exert your influence on this. Not now, at least. The Fates can twist intentions. I don't want to take the risk.
ZAGREUS: You're sure...? Well then... I'll wait. But I am going to ask you again. We have to find a way to fix this. Patroclus is waiting.||

errant mango
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The ||Patroclus is waiting|| kills me every time

hot bluff
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Ooooh thanks I didn't take note of this one, although I take note of some beautiful or funny quotes here and there

west tundra
#

so, the ||dusa getting fired|| dialogue/event -- what triggers that

frail cobalt
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@west tundra I think Nyx had a bunch of dialogue added in the recent update so even if you have all the conditions met it’s possible that other dialogue with Nyx is taking priority

west tundra
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i've been assuming that's the case, but i got a dialogue w/ nyx that went something like "i hope you're not fraternizing improperly with the help zagreus" "trust me to choose my friends" "fine, for now" and thought that i might've

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skipped over it, somehow? due to, like, getting both their bonds too high

minor oyster
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I don't think you can skip anything

errant mango
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I'm pretty sure you can't skip over it. I had both Nyx and Dusa maxed prior to this new event and I think I just triggered it today

minor oyster
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Its just RNG

open berry
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its event stuff thats supposed to happen earlier in the game as you're bonding up dusa but it only recently got added, so people are just now seeing it

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@hot bluff i screenshot most dialogue i see so i knew i had it on hand from not too long ago, its just a matter of finding it in my folder lmao

frail cobalt
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@spiral pond it’s suggested that she’s the daughter of ||demeter and a mortal||

spiral pond
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thats why she hates mortals so much?

frail cobalt
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She’s just mad because her daughter is missing and she blames the mortals for some reason

sharp axle
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^

atomic forge
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She attributes her daughter's death to being half-mortal.

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You know, not considering that she willingly had a baby with a mortal.

sharp axle
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Hades isn't really a traditional interpretation though. There are a lot of details that might have gotten changed.

bold niche
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or skipped entirely

hollow mortar
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I just realized: the new boon giver has to be related to Zagreus so Family Favorite can stand its name. Either that or they will change its name maybe 😋

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Maybe it will be Persephone trying to help her son get out to meet her. Or maybe nooot

bold niche
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well, family is not restricted to blood relation..

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on the other hand, it's hard to not be blood-related in this family

frozen jolt
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is the new character going to give boons?

frail cobalt
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My favorite crack theory is that Persephone opted to become mortal and die, and now she’s the Supportive Shade

frozen jolt
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theyve said its a new character, not an olympian, right

spiral pond
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Imagine once demeter discovered that Zag is Demeter's grandson I would imagine she would be rather happy

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i mean, even tho you dont get persephone at least you get her offspring

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but again maybe she will be mad since she is pretty icky against motherhood too

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this iteration of demeter does not like being a mother

hollow mortar
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@frozen jolt idk to 1st, yes to the 2nd friendly

bold niche
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i'm still hoping for Leuce.. mostly for the story

hollow mortar
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I thought they would add a new boon giver. I must be imagining things haha

frozen jolt
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surely its in the roadmap

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i could check soon

frail cobalt
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They added demeter pretty recently

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Maybe you remembered seeing something about that?

bold niche
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i remember them saying "we're gonna add one more god", and it was before Demeter was added

open berry
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yeah they have said character for this last one, not specifying if its a god or another npc or what. chances are its not a god or they might have said as much

viscid fjord
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for the freeing sis mission should i just keep killing myself until nyx helps me

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cause the trigger for freeing sis hasnt appeared for me for a long while

torn atlas
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Have you talked to bouldy?

viscid fjord
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i believe so, its been over a month since sis has said anything new to me

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i got the quest to free sis since the guan yu update

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its just the second trigger never appeared

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i have everything else unlock im just missing this last item T-T

torn atlas
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I'm experiencing the same right now

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Waiting for one or two more dialogues and for nyx to finally show up in the chaos realm

cloud dagger
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So I just got my butt kicked by tiny vermin.
I am ashamed

frail cobalt
#

OH

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Like you died???

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Go talk to hypnos!!

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I want to see if he has dialogue for dying to tiny vermin

cloud dagger
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Standard "welcome to the house of Hades" angery
I'll try again

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Will keep you updated!

open berry
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Oh wait I have the line

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I'm eating din rn but I have it on hand

Hypnos: Whoa, wait wait wait, this just can't be right, it says, it says... hahahahah, you got beaten by a tiny little rodent? Oh, haha, sorry I just, I, you have my sympathies.
(Zag voice over) : No, keep them.

frail cobalt
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lol! I wonder if it’s different if you are killed by an actual tiny rat

open berry
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He has a different line for those, yeah

frail cobalt
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Maybe I’ll try it sometime if I’m having a disaster run and get to Styx

open berry
fading yarrow
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Wait wait did I just || get laid with Meg?||

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to quote my boy Zag

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"Yes."

junior field
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whipping intensifies

frail cobalt
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“Zag isn’t a masochist” pfft shadeeyeroll

fading yarrow
#

Few things have made me laugh harder than Thanatos screaming at Zag "NO YOU DEADBEAT!"

strong fiber
#

when does he scream that 😮

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also something weird just happened

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throughout the whole run chaos was talking every once in a while

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and not just when i completed a chaos boon and such

drifting citrus
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were you using shield

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recently they added chaos occasionally speaking through the shield

strong fiber
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oh yes

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I was using the chaos shield

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does it make any actual story progression or is it just cute?

haughty carbon
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Yeah, now the chaos speaks to you through their shield

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just there for flavor I guess

dry ridge
#

Is Alecta and the other one (the other fury sisters0 considered spoilers?

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I finally got past Teri...whatever her name is. the one that only says Murderer

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for the first time

lunar ibex
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mrrrr

dry ridge
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yeah that one

atomic forge
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Alecto and Tisiphone.

dry ridge
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yes thank you.

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Tisiphone. i beat her for the first time

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but is knowledge about Alecto and Tisiphone considered a spoiler? i ask here to ensure o dont upset anyone

atomic forge
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Probably not.

eternal breach
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I've brought you frankensince. And I've brought you myrrrh. Thank yo- myyrhhh DEEEEEEEEEER

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JURDAS!!!

dusty elbow
#

Djkfkvkbo

austere crane
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I’m so stoked I finally got the dialogue interaction and now the Lernaean Bone Hydra is ||Lernie The Bone Hydra|| on my save file.

eternal breach
#

OH

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MY

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GOD

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IS THAT,,, ||MACHINE GUNS||

haughty carbon
#

Yes

eternal breach
#

GAHCJFJ

haughty carbon
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he also ||shoots a ton of rockets at you||

pulsar cypress
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I cant wait till they add a forth tier thus changing up the pace vs ||Hades himself||

austere crane
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I wonder if the devs will take inspiration from the upgraded ||fury fight|| where ||cerberus can’t be hit but still spits a fireball at you from outside the arena or something since we never see what happens to him after being fed|| in the temple. I mean, using him is the most extreme measure of all right?

frail cobalt
#

NO

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||cerberus is a good boy||

austere crane
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||The goodest boi made to do bad things|| by Extreme Measures.

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The betrayal would be so dramatic!

open berry
#

zag would truly never forgive his dad for forcing cerb to turn on him

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idk why everyone wants cerb to be involved in fights so bad, poor dog is just vibing and waiting for snacks

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zag already feels bad enough if he hits cerb with a weapon in styx. not that i even knew that was a thing til i saw his voice overs for it, which one of y'all out there trying to hit the dog

austere crane
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That’s why I said he wouldn’t have a health bar and wouldn’t be dealt damage. Zag wouldn’t do it. But Cerb keeps those in the underworld from escaping, it’s technically his job. Zag already won’t reconcile with his father until maybe long after escaping. The furies didn’t want to work together, but the theming behind Extreme Measures seems to be using resources and tactics that were deemed too reckless or dangerous before to hold Zag back and I can’t think of a better way to do that. It’s just an idea, I don’t have a beef against Cerb lmao.

open berry
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im not implying you or anyone else has a beef against cerb but cerb is already established as being relatively mellow and laid back overall, the furies are naturally aggressive

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even in extreme measures having cerb suddenly be aggressive toward you in any regard wouldnt fit how the game has already characterized him

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at most i could only see something in the style of the asterius mini boss that cuts off after a certain amount of dmg dealt, and playing it off as zag and cerb playing with one another, a boy wrestling with his best canine friend and whatnot

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either way given that cerb is actually kind of difficult to rig compared to everyone else its unlikely anything will be done with him purely for simplicity's sake

open berry
#

as an aside i did find out about some humerous dialogue that i've not encountered previously because it requires getting to the fury chamber on low health

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||MEG: You look like you had trouble getting to me, Zagreus. Did you try asking for directions on the way?
ZAG: You sound like Hypnos. He's getting to you, isn't he. Isn't he!
MEG:You shut your mouth right now, with that. Come die.||

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also requires seeing the meg and hypnos dialogue but the low health is mostly why i've never seen it before

frail cobalt
#

Yesss I recently got that dialogue too

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I think you have to have lost all your death defiances by the time you reach her

open berry
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i have no idea, the marker just lists low health

frail cobalt
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Ahh

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Well, it’s a bit embarrassing to admit that happened to me but I was messing with my pact layout and it did not go well lol

open berry
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i mean i am absolutely starving for some family dynamics between than, nyx and hypnos that isnt everyone blowing off hypnos bc he doesnt meet their expectations, but im hoping once hypnos gets additional content theres stuff with meg too. god if than had heard that exchange between meg and zag... you know how when zag starts getting close with than, meg will comment on it before the fight? tossing shade and saying she thought he was someone with more integrity or whatever, i dont feel like looking for the exact quote lmao. but it would be that except than being exasperated at meg

modern hearth
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I think it's mainly Cerb's left head that's that mellow.

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His left, our right.

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Zag says something like "You're the only one of the heads that lets/likes when I pet you, aren't you, boy?" when petting him sometimes.

open berry
#

cerb's overall demeaner is still more mellow

modern hearth
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I would like to see Cerb when he's trying to intimidate something.

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Just not Zag.

frail cobalt
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Hypnos is my fave and I hope for the same thing

open berry
#

it really sucks watching his own family be like, hes not taking this seriously hes not working hard enough. like. hes sleep incarnate. he's responsible for ensuring mortals get the rest they need, and his moods and the way he feels probably affects that, if mortals sleep soundly, have nightmares, cant sleep, ect. to see even his own mom say he basically wont grow into the independence she expects from him until the dawning of the next age kinda hurts

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i just want some kind of resolution between their family dynamic that isnt everyone treating him like he cant do anything right

frail cobalt
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👆

open berry
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mortals getting poor sleep for extended periods of time would only cause more work for than 😂

eternal breach
#

i want to hug hypnos

open berry
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as another aside while i'm thinking about it, that autograph quest that gets brought up frequently, i double checked and it does require seeing all of the times hypnos asks about it, which is like 4 instances. zag wont ask asterius until that requirement is met

eternal breach
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whoever came up with the little flowers next to his portait i want to hug

modern hearth
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Hug Hypnos and then proceed to sleep for like 200 years

eternal breach
#

WHERE IS THE DOWNSIDE

open berry
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honestly ideal

modern hearth
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Ikr

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Maybe you could even be sleeping while hugging him

eternal breach
#

🥺

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heaven

modern hearth
#

200 years in mortal time is probably the time of an average run Zag takes through Hades

eternal breach
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the thought of him ending up in the pool every 40 minutes is funny though

modern hearth
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Well they're old af so I assume hundreds of years feels like 40 mins to them.

eternal breach
#

hAS IT BEEN WINTER OUTSIDE THE ENTIRE TIME

modern hearth
#

We don't know how long it has been winter.

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But for a while

eternal breach
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oh I was joking about the 200 years thing xD

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Omf I just found the trinkets and Zag saying ||Let me guess... They want me to fight all the way through the Underworld, having used the Pact of Punishment over there to make the going even more treacherous than it already is, and if I succeed, they'll reward me with some sort of useless trinket?|| like THAT made me laugh

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All in one UPSET breath

celest harbor
#

I think I know how to get the last Zeus heart

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You need to take the Demeter boon first

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Then Zeus one

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And he will start talking about her daughter/Zags mom

#

I managed to get like 3 lines of dialog from him

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But last 2 times I got nothing

haughty carbon
#

Master Chaos asked Zagreus if they will never see him ever again after he finds mom. And he did say that he would never return to Underworld if he could.
Zagreus:"I would. Though I would miss you, Most of them I will (from underworld)."
Chaos: "I would miss you too."

atomic forge
indigo cipher
#

is cyclops jerky made by cyclops or made out of cyclops

#

this is important i need to know this

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because wouldn't it be like very weird to eat a cyclops, an intelligent (kinda) sentient being

errant mango
#

Asking the real questions

indigo cipher
#

yes

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this is the real lore

atomic forge
indigo cipher
#

don't even get me started on centaur hearts

west tundra
#

I think those are literally the hearts of centaurs

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extracted from their chests

burnt harbor
#

Thank God is not the hearts extracted from their hoofs

atomic forge
#

Their what now

celest harbor
#

But centaurs have 2 chests

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Human and horse one

bold niche
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well, centaurs are long gone

#

extinct.. cyclops too

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so it can't be their meat

odd pike
#

well they're in the underworld so is meat even meat?

errant mango
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Cyclops jerky, not made from actual cyclops

bold niche
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it's like.. chicken noodle soup.. no chicken were harmed

errant mango
#

It's just called that for some reason. Nobody knows anymore

odd pike
#

to be fair, eating the remains of cyclops that died ages before would still not even hit the top 10 most messed up things in Greek Mythology

bold niche
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maybe done after recipe of cyclops

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also cyclops ate humans and were ok with that

errant mango
#

So what is it actually? Some mystery underworld meat?

odd pike
#

Spoilers for some Theseus secret dialogue:
||Does anyone know if Theseus and Arriadne actually met up? The last line I got from him was that he will consider it, but that's it. I tried having the yarn with me multiple times after that but nothing happens. Is it just a work in progress thing or do I need to do something specific again?||

vast whale
#

is this where i can ask how to unlock certain stuffs?

atomic forge
vast whale
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i feel like ceratin unlocks are too spoilery for gameplay?

atomic forge
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Story-based unlocks, sure.

#

But something like Stygius's and Varatha's final aspects would be kosher there.

vast whale
#

how to unlock Aspect of Guan Yu and Excalibur

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oh

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lel

atomic forge
#

Excalibur is in the pin in this channel, lemme look for Guan Yu's pin.

vast whale
#

oh i see it for Excal thanks

cloud dagger
#

Hello friends, would someone drop a hint on how to get the ball rolling with reuniting Orpheus and Eurydice?

burnt harbor
#

Make them drunk

open berry
#

@odd pike theseus only has 4 sets of dialogue in reaction to that. if you've seen them all, that's currently all that exists within the game related to it.

junior field
#

@odd pike there's no follow up to it, nor is there any indication that she exists in the game

sterile magnet
#

Are there any rewards to boosting the Elder Sigil?

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Outside of the prophecy ambrosia

jovial cedar
#

Are ambrosia and nectar alcoholic or is it just really amazing orange juice

open berry
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i dont think theres really any specific descriptions about them beyond ambrosia granting immortality and being fragrant 🤔

frail cobalt
#

I think Zag warns Achilles against “drowning his sorrows” when he gives it to him

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Or maybe Patroclus

solemn loom
#

Uhm how do I unlock the lock for zeus and artemis

atomic forge
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Keep giving them Nectar whenever you can.

solemn loom
#

Already full

atomic forge
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Keep pushing Adamant Arrowhead and Thunder Signet.

solemn loom
#

Oh yeah keepsakes okay thanks

open berry
#

honestly i dont think keepsakes are required. the only listed requirements are the previous level affection lines (7 requires 6, 6 requires 5, ect). if keepsakes were a requirement it should be listed

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thats prob why greg keeps saying keep talking to them bc that is literally. all you do.

atomic forge
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Well, Keepsakes would spawn them more frequently, I probably should have specified.

open berry
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keepsakes dont spawn gods more frequently. they guarantee the next boon you encounter will be for that god, and boost the chance of getting higher rarity boons

quaint wadi
#

i done all the prophecies except the useless trinked one.. anyone knows how to trigger it?

bold niche
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so then you can meet them both in a run theoretically

atomic forge
#

Having a god in your kit boosts the chance of them appearing in a run.

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Not big, not always guaranteed, but it theoretically boosts frequency.

bold niche
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since there can be, like.. 4 gods in a run of 8? plus Hermes

atomic forge
open berry
#

having more boons of that god does, sure, but thats not an inherent function of the trinkets. ive literally equipped trinkets and only had that god show up once or twice in a run

atomic forge
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Pluse Hermes.

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I didn't think explaining all the mechanics in their minutia was necessary.

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The end result from equipping a trinket is seeing that Olympian more frequently.

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Usually.

bold niche
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well, you can talk to the boongiver only once per run

open berry
#

@fair light can we have a definitive answer once and for all whether trinkets boost appearance rates of a god or not please?

bold niche
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except if met in Charon shop, or encountering duo boon

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so, trinkets do make sense if you want to, you know, talk

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also, Zeus is not the most often encountered god..

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for me at least

open berry
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i'd rather have a solid answer over continuing to speculate so we shall see

junior field
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@open berry they don't

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picking a god boon, however, does increase the likelihood of seeing that god again down the line

open berry
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that is like exactly what i've already said so i don't know why you're pinging me

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but others insist the trinkets do boost appearance rates so i'd rather see if someone on the dev team can confirm or deny it so we know for sure

junior field
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the others are wrong

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no need to ping anyone

open berry
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"they're wrong" from someone not involved in the game is not a definitive answer and is just as much speculation as everything else thats been said

bold niche
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well, if you encounter a god, with or without trinket, the chance of seeing that god again down the line is increased

sterile magnet
#

What happens when you upgrade the elder sigil?

bold niche
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that's a fact, it've been stated in the patch notes

sterile magnet
#

Don't want to do darkness runs. 8888 darkness takes forever 😄

open berry
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@sterile magnet it allows nyx to visit chaos

sterile magnet
#

So you'll occasionally see her with Chaos like Orpheus with Eurydice?

open berry
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yeah

sterile magnet
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:o. neat

open berry
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but yeah anyway i just want a confirmation on the trinkets. i dont think they inherently boost appearance rate. the trinket already lists that boon rarity is increased, why not mention god appearance rate as well they affected that. if they do, then cool, if they don't, cool. i just want us all to know 100% for sure from an official source

junior field
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I suppose I could not convince by posting the god trinkets' script logic

open berry
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i was actually considering looking for that but i couldnt remember where its stored and i already have a headache from squinting at text all day

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its why i mentioned unlocking the hearts on god affection doesnt require the trinkets though, or at least im p sure i dont remember those listed

bold niche
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there is no info in the description of the trinkets that they increase appearance rate. so it's safe to assume that they do not.

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but

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encountering a god does increase that god's appearance chance during the rest of a run

frozen jolt
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i dont think they increase appearance, but i think once you have a god its likely you would run into them again. which is what happens when the first boon you get is theirs. not always, though, ive had runs where the first boon i got through the keepsake was from a certain god and then i didnt see them again

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i think the keepsakes just increase rarity and guarantee the first one.

open berry
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thats what ive been sayin gaksjhfdkjg

junior field
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like I said, the others are wrong

frozen jolt
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i havent thoroughly backread, apologies 🙇 but i agree then

junior field
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they do what it says on the can

open berry
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i remember once i wanted zeus because i was trying to finish his prophecy so i was using the trinkets and i found him like. twice. and ended the run with like 11 artemis boons

bold niche
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the others just pick a keepsake and then "oh there are a lot of this god's boons, maybe that's because i've picked his/her trinket" and so the rumor is born

junior field
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you equipped Zeus' trinket, which forced the game to give you Zeus

frozen jolt
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and chaos definitely doesnt even guarantee a gate, bc ive had their keepsake equipped without seeing them once 😭

bold niche
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but it's a side effect of keepsake, not intended mechanics

frozen jolt
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not even a light of ixion in any shop

junior field
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and that's it, the trinket did its job

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well, there's also the increased boon rarity but that's irrelevant to the matter at hand

open berry
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yes i got my freebie zeus i wanted, i wanted to pick up that boon so i would have a chance of finding more because i needed his tier 3 boon to finish the prophecy

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i dont know why you are responding to me like i dont know the effect of the trinkets lmao

junior field
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well, you were wondering if the trinkets increased the appearance rate of the trinket's god, which they don't, so...

bold niche
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also, does that even matter?

junior field
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no, RNG will screw you over anyway

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like when you pick up 16 boons and get 0 attacks

bold niche
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since.. the discussion began from "what shall be done to pass the lock of Zeus and Artemis"

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and the answer was "keep talking"

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and you can talk with a god only during 1st boon encounter

open berry
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@junior field my dude i really do not know how to tell you this but that entire bit of wondering was literally because someone else in this chat was insisting the trinkets boosted appearance rates and i said they do not.

junior field
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well, you're correct

bold niche
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don't think "In the name of Hades" line can progress the story much

open berry
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do the new convos have a chance to happen on consescutive runs? i forget. or are they spaced out to force you to keep picking that god to get the dialogue

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like ive gotten.. most? of arty's callipso lines but i dont recall if those were consecutive runs or if i had dead space inbetween where it was dialogue i'd seen before

junior field
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I believe you're guaranteed to hear the new lines, provided you meet the requirements and nothing else overrides em

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I've been hearing new lines from both Zeus and Artemis but the heart progress gets impeded by the new weapon specific lines

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which do not count towards heart progress

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for example, I've been hearing stuff about nymphs and Calisto for a few runs, but then I equipped the bow and got a bow line instead

frozen jolt
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usually mid-run gods tend to comment on other gods or on how your previous runs went, like artemis commenting about the vermin. i remember when the dionysus prank event was added and i also had to equip his keepsake to trigger those lines, because they usually only played on the very first boon pickup

flat shell
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Yeah, afaik it just runs through the potential new lines you can get per run and if nothing else has changed/no new conditions are met, the next in sequence should happen.

open berry
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ive seen most of the weapon dialogue already so im hoping those options are exhausted

junior field
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they added new ones for Zeus and Artemis

open berry
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i know that

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artey's unlock requires her callipso lines, zeus requires some specific convos with demeter to happen first

junior field
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oh, good

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my Demeter stuff's been exhausted long ago

frozen jolt
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i might do some artemis keepsake runs and see now

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aphrodite got new stuff now too, right?

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yeee

junior field
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yeah, and Zag talks about ambrosia while gifting nectars

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same as with Hermes

frozen jolt
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hey, it used to be called ambrosia

junior field
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yeah, but those were old lines

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Hermes ones

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Aphro's are new, seems strange that they're ambrosia, too

frozen jolt
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well thats just an f10 id say

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maybe theyve been recorded for a while, before the change

bold niche
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maybe they were made back when nectar was ambrosia..

open berry
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||looks like aphrodite requires bonding up meg and dusa. or than and dusa? either or||

junior field
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those were added some time ago

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she has lines for Than, Meg, and Dusa now

open berry
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i mean the heart unlock

frozen jolt
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well, we will see if i can get it.. ;__;

open berry
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@frozen jolt also i have a couple typos/errors on hand ive noticed, i would have to. probably start a new file to f10 them if i saw them again since theyre not something i can trigger again on my primary file

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:/a

junior field
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I also saw a new line from Alecto, think it was because of Hard Labor

open berry
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well actually i might be able to get one quickly on a new file, it just involves finding a skull crusher. its just a matter of. willing myself to do this purely for the sake of dying and checking the error

pulsar jetty
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clipped a short video of Hades listening to shade complaints

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(you can download this is a wallpaper via wallpaper engine in the video description)

agile vapor
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Anyone know where I can find the Secret Stash things? If I even can?

torn atlas
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What do you need to find this secret stash for?

agile vapor
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I dunno, it's there and I want to know what it contains 😛

torn atlas
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Where did you find this secret stash

agile vapor
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it's in the same place as those heirlooms you get from npcs

torn atlas
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You mean the large golden locks at the bottom of the keepsakes box?

agile vapor
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yeah

torn atlas
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They're called companions, you unlock them by getting a good bond with certain characters

agile vapor
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ah ok, nice! Thanks 🙂

torn atlas
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They're powerful effects you can use up to 5 times in a run

agile vapor
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cool. Time to farm for those then

supple dagger
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Zag: "more Ambrosia for my fave primordial being"
Chaos: "...still not going to give you new things."
Zag: "it's my token of appreciation and love for you, Master. It's a thing that mortals and some of us immortals do."
Chaos: "well, so instead of theft, we'll consider this a trade: this Ambrosia for you teaching me a new tradition."

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Also playing with a controller was interesting

valid lintel
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Hi guys. I finished de game only once. I need do that more times to get a companion?

soft dust
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@valid lintel So many times :). İt isn't related to how much u finish the game tho

torn atlas
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You need a certain amount of events to happen, gifting certain people. Which all have a chance of happening after a run

valid lintel
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Ah I understood now. Thanks

unkempt locust
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Faced (and died against) Extreme Measures version of the King and the Bull. Ow!

At least I managed to take the bull out before I fell

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Any idea on how to enable more conversations with the Olympians? I'm stuck at 5/6 hearts.

Plus, regarding boons, almost all of them have 1 or 2 boons left before I complete their prophecies. (End of the list prophecies). Any idea on how to get them?

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And got to say, still liking Hades more than Zag when it comes to their relationship. Could be that some of his warnings, I hear it more from a concerned father perspective while Zag may hear it as a spiteful one's perspective

eternal breach
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honestly I love them both

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and can kind of see what they're going off and why they don't understand each other and all

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but I'm so glad he's not just a villain and genuinely has his nice moments and cares about Zag

open berry
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@unkempt locust literally continue talking with them. they require certain dialogue chains but other than that theres nothing else to it besides speaking with them

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if you're missing tier 3 boons check the wiki on how boon progression works

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you'll have to check each individual god for their boon progression charts but they're all linked here https://hades.gamepedia.com/Boons

Hades Wiki

Boons are upgrades given by the gods to help Zagreus in his attempts to escape the underworld. They can be obtained as rewards for clearing a room marked with the respective god's symbol or purchased for 150 from Charon's shop (as of the update from January 29th. Before it wa...

unkempt locust
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Thanks @open berry

digital yarrow
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dusa offered to give me back all the ambrosia I gave her, should I have declined? she required quite a lot so getting 11 back is nice

lunar ibex
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Has no consequence to accept or decline

eternal breach
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Damn Dusa you were supposed to enjoy those :<

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Wait.

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Can she even drink.

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She doesn't have a body.

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Does everything she drinks just pull a Davey Jones and spill on the ground

lunar ibex
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It's a fantasy world, you could ask these types of questions for many things

eternal breach
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I don't need sleep I need answers

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... Hey at least the ambrosia bottles are aesthetic???

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Can use them as a decoration

lunar ibex
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What room would she decorate?

eternal breach
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She could put them on display in the lounge

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I think Zag also said smth to the likes of 'you can put it in the stash' but i might be misremembering

lunar ibex
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You can buy a bottle for the lounge I believe

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Dusa's response when asking for them back makes a lot of sense tbh

eternal breach
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Nono thats not what i mean he genuinely said that

lunar ibex
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Although i've never let her keep them

eternal breach
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Also i havent gotten that response yet

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Havent stuffed her w enough ambrosia

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Yeeted some at Meg too

lunar ibex
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Oh yeah everyone else will keep theirs, but then again you're not throwing 10+ ambrosia at anyone else

eternal breach
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Saving some for Than because damn it you hot topic addict let me love you

lunar ibex
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He actually created hot topic in his later years

eternal breach
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[Thanatos voice out of the speakers] Attention customers, the store will be closing in twenty minutes. Anyone in after closing will be hunted for sport.

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i saw greg typing im scared

open berry
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he's watching, waiting.

eternal breach
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That did the opposite of calm me down

lunar ibex
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Is Hades accepting and denying shades access into the underworld? Where do they go if they're denied?

drifting citrus
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it's more like they're requesting certain things while in the underworld, no matter what they're going somewhere in it

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like how achilles ||gave his position in elysium to patroclus||

runic terrace
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hades: denied. You are NOT dead, get BACK up there,

safe ferry
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Just curious, based on ||Artemis' Duo boon dialog w/ Aphrodite|| and her normal behaviour...is she a ||introvert tsundere||?

open berry
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no?

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artemis is the maiden goddess, shes not into romance or attachments or anything like that, while aprodite is the god of love and is directly involved in the sort of things that makes artemis uncomfortable

tall ingot
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Artemis is not attached to anyone? You need to give her a lot more ambrosia then to let her speak about someone.

safe ferry
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interesting...cuz her behaviour can be interpreted that way too but the conversation feels towards the other.
I donno, I presume the true ending would dissipate my ideas.

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Not shipping here, it's just interesting behaviour.

open berry
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@tall ingot romantically

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aphrodite making coy commentary related to more than platonic relations makes artemis uncomfortable

dense wedge
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Hey it just came to me, that the narrator. comes and goes whereever, whenever he wants. AND makes parallel outcomes when we beat the game. Any chance that he's some greater gods? like, chronos?

junior field
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he's a philosopher, either past, present, or future one

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you can find his likeness in the game

old geode
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The bust's description says he's a poet

torn atlas
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Yea philosophers wouldn't spend time on stories about gods

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Mostly because they'd get executed if they said anything not matching the general believe about gods

bold niche
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well, poets and writers are literally gods for the characters of their stories

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greater than any

torn atlas
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Well ancient Greek writing did not feature the writers themselves a lot

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Especially in an epos

bold niche
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true

torn atlas
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Most they did was some ominous foreshadowing

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When the narrator breaks in he uses the common writing technique of switching to third person to add more suspension and tell fragments of the tale faster

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You can imagine the story being written from Zagreus' perspective

honest wharf
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Has the sixth companion been revealed? Just noticed there are six slots but could only find five companions.

dense sparrow
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yes, its charon

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everyone knows it duh

sleek gale
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no 6 isn't out yet

late schooner
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So who is the poet?

stuck palm
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Orpheus

torn atlas
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Orpheus isn't really a poet

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The style of writing makes it clear it isn't Homer

runic terrace
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just saw a brief glimpse into a world where all the storyteller bits are orpheus and ok first of all. wow. second of all, i want to live there

torn atlas
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How is a dead lad going to write an epos

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besides the game hints that the buste of the old man is the narrator

runic terrace
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yeah i know im just saying i like orpheus and itd be really fun if he was always hanging around ghostily on your travels as well

errant mango
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So I just got the event where Nyx ||fires Dusa|| and now she's nowhere to be seen and I'm worried lol. Is she just gone? Don't leave me hanging like this

unkempt locust
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Got ambiguity bonus from Bouldy. Any idea on what it means? (yes, I realize I'm trying to make ambiguity non-ambiguous.)🤫

signal palm
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It means nothing. It's a joke

unkempt locust
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Athena's Deathless Stand when using Stubborn Defiance - Yeah, that's useless. Learnt that the hard way

main flint
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@errant mango ||yea, she's gone for good||

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||(for like 2/3 runs) || i hope you can make it for that long

eternal breach
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Sjdhhff i just got the NO YOU DEADBEAT thing im laughing

runic terrace
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hfhjfhjfhjfhjfj yess

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god is that when its like
than: well you dont need me anymore ( 💭 im just here for fun)
zag: ...ok then...bye....
than: what do you MEAN bye

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legendary than moments

eternal breach
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And meg SMILED AT ME

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TODAY IS GOOD

runic terrace
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OH GOOD!!!

eternal breach
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And yes LMAO Zag is me not understanding what people are saying to me

runic terrace
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than is that post where the guy is trying to say "are you okay" and "im so sorry" at once and accidentally yells ARE YOU SORRY

errant mango
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Well I'm glad to hear ||our little gorgon friend|| isn't gone for good. Would be somewhat upsetting if that was the case lol

eternal breach
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Than says something embarrasing and doesn't come out of his room for days

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Speaking of ||I loved Than being like OH YOU'RE EMBARRASING ME? THEN I'LL EMBARRAS YOU when giving me Mort||

open berry
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||pretty sure the last chthonic companion is from cerberus or achilles||

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@honest wharf

errant mango
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||What about Hypnos? Or are people just forgetting about him?||

haughty carbon
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I mean he really be lacking his proper interactions atm tbh

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sadcat ||so no wonder he is forgotten.||

errant mango
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I have a strong feeling that he's going to give the last keepsake. He's going to have more story content later on

haughty carbon
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he totally will, though honestly for me, it doesn't feel so?

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I don't know, he is feeling like the kind of character you hang out and be lazy, with snarky and lovely comments being thrown around a bit to bit.

errant mango
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It's more likely that Nyx would have given him one of those plushies than ||Achilles|| for example. ||And Cerb would have probably chewed through his by now||

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Though I love the idea of ||Cerb gifting Zag a half-chewed toy|| lol

eternal breach
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NO

atomic forge
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"Aw, Cerberus... Thank... You?"

errant mango
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Chthonic companion unlocked! ...at least what's left of it. And it's like slimy and everything oh no

atomic forge
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god is that when its like
than: well you dont need me anymore ( 💭 im just here for fun)
zag: ...ok then...bye....
than: what do you MEAN bye
@runic terrace See, if you had just heard this, it would have come across "What do you MEAN bi" like Than's had no idea this entire time.

runic terrace
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😂 AND SO THE AWFUL GAME OF TELEPHONE CONTINUES

open berry
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ive spoilered this link but

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its something i saw in a cn video of the last boss

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and made me laugh

atomic forge
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Engulfing Vortex. gilmanlove

open berry
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ive actually never made it to the end with a proper rift build bc every time i want to go for one in a run, i can never find the boons i need so i gave up on it a long while back, so i didnt expect. any of that to happen lmao

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bumper cars, except with more death

west tundra
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final boss slowly gliding around on a blade rift like a gigantic dinner plate

proven shadow
atomic forge
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That's it.

haughty carbon
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that's the power

proven shadow
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Nice

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Just sort of randomly happened, got Ares, then Athena, then forced Zeus in Asphodel and Aphrodite in Elysium

bold niche
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eliminating people by standing still..

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is something

proven shadow
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Alays wanted to try that, and it's super fun. Unfortunately it was a bow run, so the two playstyles kind of clashed

bold niche
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turn their power against them, they said

open berry
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thats legitimately hilarious, ive never had all of them in a single run but ie ended up with like at least three before

errant mango
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V E N G E A N C E. That's the true Hera build right there

proven shadow
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Should've used the Hera bow instead of Chiron then lol

open berry
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i wonder how quickly zag's respect for zeus would drop into the negatives if he ever found out how hera gets treated

runic terrace
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ooofff very quickly

open berry
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[comical cartoon falling noise.wav]

west tundra
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til that during the ||dusa gets fired|| plot you can't use ||the dusa summon||

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i figured there'd be dialogue or something, but no, pressing the button just does jack nothing

supple dagger
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||Dusa gets fired?!?!||

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What a way to go if Hypnos did give us a present and what it did was make enemies sleep or sluggish for a good while.

lunar ibex
supple dagger
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Valid. ||Who knows. I feel like even in here, we respect that even people who WANT spoilers don't want to spoil it for anyone that might accidentally click?|| Idk. We wildin

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unrelated, makes me think of SCP documents that always ||redact|| content.

lunar ibex
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Lol now you're ||just|| redacting content ||willy-nilly||

supple dagger
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That is also true.

lunar ibex
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||This channel might as well just auto black-bar everything said||

supple dagger
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Out of thought (not really, I'm listening to it as I say this), has anyone thought about what a Hades mix of In Circles would sound like? o .o

lunar ibex
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Reading through past comments and seeing what people decided to cover up is pretty hilarious

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There are even some comments I read last night that weren't black-barred and then must have been edited today to be covered up

supple dagger
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they can't hide all the goody secrets from us!

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I shoulda asked them if there were anything small and non-spoily that they could share in relation to story or characterizations.

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Zagreus accidentally becomes the new King of the Olympians

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Persephone still not found

lunar ibex
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Are you talking about the Q&A?

supple dagger
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yeah. I should asked a question

eternal breach
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TH

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TBH

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I was wondering what happens if you summon meg against meg but thought hey im not dumb enough to try that

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well

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i accidentally pressed the button

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so i can tell you

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nothing happens

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zag does 👀 you though

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"i dont think thats going to work." NEITHER DID I IT WAS AN ACCIDENT-

dense sparrow
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i did it multiple times and meg scolded me

amber falcon
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Am i the only one salty because Zag is so heartfelt and emotional during Dusa romance but with Thanatos he's just... Meh?

errant mango
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It's just a different dynamic. He's not too emotional with Meg either

lusty mango
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||I’m gona run into some spoilers, but I hope to get a short something like “yes/no” answer. So I’ve noticed a pattern; gifting enough nectar I can romance Dusa, Meg, and apparently Than. That was a statement. My question is, can I romance Artemis and Aphrodite? I have reached the limit with gifts for Dionysus, he has a heart with watch now, so does Poseidon. But Artemis and Aphrodite both have heart with lock, which means I can go further with gifts, and thus I wonder, can I romance them? (And can I romance more than one character?)|| thanks

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Just a wall of black lines, lol

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I’m asking that cuz I won’t be able to play for a while, but quite interested to find out the answer

shy nimbus
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Short answer: No to Artemis and Aphrodite

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Apparently you can't romance gods/ or at least people you can't have a conversation with to begin with

lusty mango
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But I can keep keep giving them gifts. Already gave them something like 6 nectars, but I can only gift 4 nectars to the god of wine himself? Really? That’s unfair a bit if you ask me

torn atlas
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Other gods are still work in progress

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They probably added the extra conversation for the most popular gods and goddesses first

errant mango
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Out of all the Olympian gods, you can max your bond with Zeus, Artemis, and Aphrodite so far. The rest will be added later

safe vortex
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Is there a place where I can find out what the different perks from benefits package can do?

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I did one run with them and now I am missing 3 for the fated prophecies. Was I just unlucky or do I have to increase the benefits package condition?

lunar ibex
dense sparrow
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cuz people are idiots

errant mango
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Force of habit? No need to be calling people idiots just over some spoiler tags

safe vortex
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what do I have to do to bring Orpheus and Eurydice together?

burnt harbor
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Get them drunk

vale basalt
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yikes

undone reef
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@safe vortex Usually most of quests in Hades are solved by talking to every NPC possible may they be in the house or outside, before, during and after each run.

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You will see various prompts for dialogues or gift

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By reading the book of prophecies, you will know what to do for some other quests related to weapons, boons and companions

safe vortex
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Thanks 🙂

undone reef
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@safe vortex I forgot to tell that for some quests, there are somehow a kind of time or numbers of runs to be done before some quests become accessible or offer some prompts. For some quests and events, it is also depending on which gods, boons, NPC, weapons you meet or use during the run

supple dagger
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Spoiler tag thing is kinda fun to use.

burnt harbor
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If Zag decides to become your wingman he gets done in days what you couldn't in centuries

eternal breach
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All of the characters in the game are either absolute disasters in terms of dating and dating advice (Dio, Dusa, Artemis, Zeus)
Or are absolute disasters but SOMEHOW GET THINGS DONE and that is Zag

burnt harbor
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Dr. Zag

eternal breach
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Zag as Dr. Phil solving the underworld problems

burnt harbor
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Yeah, That was my angle xd

eternal breach
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A dr. Phil episode but its solving the issues between hades and zag

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Who would be dr. Phil then

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okay but on dr. Zag. Its the furies in the studio. They all start arguing. He tries to stop them. He yells at them to stop. They go quiet and look at him. All three. Following footage was too graphic to be shown on Hades TV.

supple dagger
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God, I can't wait until they finally update Hades to the point where that clocked heart turns into a locked heart. I kinda expect Hades to be the one exception on the gifting process. Like I expect all of his hearts after the first one to be locked and the unlock method is just him telling you to "Be a Prince" and for every time you do a princely duty (that he asks of you), the heart unlocks, gift, repeat.

It'll be tiring, but he becomes audibly "nicer" and maybe reveals more about the Olympians that they aren't telling Zag.

eternal breach
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PLEASE

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PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE

supple dagger
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Me at that big door that's definitely either the rest of the house or Hades' bedroom: "let me in. LET ME IIIIIINNNNNNN"

eternal breach
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IF THE GAME DOES NOT HAVE THE OPTION TO MEND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN ZAG AND PAPA ZAG IM GONNA BE SADS

atomic forge
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Unpopular opinion: I hope they don't reconcile, at least not fully.

eternal breach
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Tbh, i feel like not fully is a nice middleground

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Having them be all ❤️ would be too sunshine and rainbows

supple dagger
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oh yeah, I just laugh every time Hades speaks

atomic forge
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No constant insults anymore, but Zag won't live at the House and his contact with Hades will be at a minimum.

eternal breach
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But it just makes me sad to see that they both aren't like,,,, enemies, they just don't understand each other and have different outlooks and zag reminds hades of past pains n stuff like that

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I find the whole ||nobody can leave, do you think i haven't tried?|| thing very interesting, too

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Made me like Hades even more

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Also yeah he's hilarious. XD

supple dagger
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It does make me question how that works, as I'm sure Hades HAS been to the Surface before. At least during his childhood and fighting his parents, the Titans.

eternal breach
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He has

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But ever since becoming the ruler of the underworld and getting the elder sigil (i assume?) not anymore?

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Than also says that ||even though he can go up, he can't stay||

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About himself i mean

fiery flower
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Sun burn.

eternal breach
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||and then proceeds to grumble about the sun being too bright which was honestly adorable. Especially the 'maybe daedalos will make you some sunglasses' part||

supple dagger
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Power move, Than gains armor that protects his little Underworld body from Surface Sun (Helios)

eternal breach
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I just had the worst image in my head

supple dagger
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Actually, the more I think about Than's teleporting, I'm curious if other gods have their own fancy instant teleportations

eternal breach
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Thanatos: HEY HELIOS
Helios, looking down: WHAT
Thanatos, on a skateboard, with sunglasses: pulls middle fingers up

supple dagger
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Tony Hawks' Thanatos

eternal breach
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Thanatos owns the 'I HATE THE MOON' twitter account but its 'I HATE THE SUN'

supple dagger
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I can SEE IT

eternal breach
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Headcanon that Cthonics don't take sunbathing very well

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Zag tries it out turns into a tomato

supple dagger
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I'm sure his mortal half will be kinda fine, but yeah, he'd eventually become a tomato

eternal breach
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More like

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Mortal quarter

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One arm is fine and tan the rest is ridiculously sunburnt

supple dagger
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Heheh

runic terrace
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hc that thanny is blue like hypnos but got tanned to a human skin tone because hes been on the surface

atomic forge
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HC that Zagreus could get away with calling Thanatos "Thanny" in private but could absolutely not call Megaera "Meggy" no matter what.

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@vagrant nova

runic terrace
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"meg" is ALL the nicknaming he'll get

burnt harbor
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Bruh

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@vagrant nova Sorry for the ping but he is spamming this link

atomic forge
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Has anyone figured yet how to unlock Zeus' last heart? It's giving me a headache