Are there more after?
#h1-story-discussion
twin flare
dusty elbow
Yeah if she says something about like “subsection alpha gamma zeta” or some other combo of Greek letters I forget that’s the trigger
drifting citrus
before you can proceed with the quest
waxen otter
Does anyone know how to further unlock the Artemis gifting thing? I have just been using her keepsake every run in hopes just spam interacting with her would do something but it has been so long.
twin flare
Goit it!
Can you deepen your relationship with multiple people or are there negative consequences
waxen otter
You can deepen your relationship with multiple people with zero negative consequence as far as I can tell
twin flare
Cool
dusty elbow
Supergiant said Polyamory Rights
uneven loom
Yo I got a message saying a work order would be unlocked to free Orpheus, but it didn’t happen. I don’t see the work order. Did I do something wrong?
distant pike
no, do one run and then come back
wise shard
can you use ambrosia for anything besides gifting it to unlock companions?
or can i sell some of this off for other thigns
flat shell
It upgrades the summon the companions do to give you more uses.
wise shard
ah
bleak warren
me: "YES! I finally killed Hades!"
2nd phase
me: surprised pikachu face
haughty carbon
Ah the bliss of lack of knowledge that Hades has two phases.
bleak warren
I lost both of my death defy on the 1st phase too
haughty carbon
Oh oh
dusty elbow
Would you like me to tell you or would you like to find out on your own?
undone reef
What to do with Bouldy?
lost jungle
love him
undone reef
Once the Bouldy trinket acquired...
lost jungle
he gives you a small boon when you give him nectar
frozen jolt
love him... or else 
dusty elbow
Give him love!!! He’s a really great listener.
ornate siren
haughty carbon
Okay, who gave Bouldy a knife?
digital totem
What have you got? A KNIFE! ... NO!
haughty carbon
dusty elbow
Dear gods what are these emoticons
dense sparrow
ambiguity bonus, what does it do?
brittle flume
Conversely, if you don't believe in Bouldy, Bouldy won't believe in you
and your lies
Wish I had that emoticon
lyric pine
out of curiosity, i take it that the archive room is related to the whole "get sisyphus out of trouble" thing, but what exactly do i need to do?
haughty carbon
Have to talk Nyx about it, do a run, talk to her and then you can get the contract. Do another run and then you will have contract available to purchase.
Suggest stacking up on diamonds
lyric pine
ah gotcha
fathom jewel
You know how when you finish a run the narrator says something along the lines of let's just pretend you got clobbered here
Why don't they just make funny/stupid ways Zag dies like falling off a bridge or Gods playing a prank on him, every time he dies he goes back to the underworld whether he escaped or not, why not have a bit of fun with ti
bleak osprey
well, you do see how he dies if you die during regular gameplay so that wouldn’t work
atomic forge
What is the % of chance to get 3 heroic boons following each others ?
silent hull
I am not able to find any information at all about what the Pack of Punishment Benefits Package does online, does any one know it's a permanent upgrade or temporary bonus?
manic stag
Anyone fancy helping a bro out?
I've been trying to reunite our lyrical lovebirds, but even though I've had dialogue eluding to finding Orpheus's contract as a means of reuniting them, I haven't had anything else from this subplot (this was about 10 runs ago).
Since then I've reunited Nyx and Chaos, unveiled Arthur and took it to the surface.
Am I missing something?
I've had both at the lock since the pre Demeter patch.
I just wanna reunite them T^T
@silent hull Benefits package gives enemies with armour a random upgrade, such as extra health, damage, AoE, Teleportation etc.
Some fun shenanigans to be had with that punishment 🙂
silent hull
Ah so it makes the game harder for even more heat, thanks for the clarification it sounded like an bonus upgrade from the title
manic stag
Yeah - I can understand the confusion 🙂
I think the minor prophecies lists all the available upgrades enemies can get
silent hull
Should have called it a penalty package
ornate siren
It's benefits for the enemies
frozen jolt
everything that adds on heat will make the game harder
yep - its a benefits package for the enemies, not for you 
atomic forge
Guess I'm just going to make my own researches
frozen jolt
i think someone here made a chart, but if you scroll a bit you can see it in the patch notes too
restive elk
I dont know why, but I like to think that Routine Inspection makes one of the shades in the House just come into Zag's room and manually switch off the talents.
errant patio
wait so how do i reunite people? i just give them nectar? i havent been doing that stuff yet xD
only one i gave nectar to is my boii Cerb because he is the best doggo
restive elk
yeah, basically drown them in contraband bevrages and do some dumpsterdiving sped-up bureaucracy.
warm sinew
im glad dusa gave the ambrosias back lmao
errant patio
and what means that clock heart?
frozen jolt
not yet in the game
errant patio
oh okay so i just wait i guess
runic terrace
jdjfjfjfj zag goes back into his room for something n sees a shade poking at his mirror and hes like >:0
restive elk
Dusa giving back all those Ambrosias is a huge moral dilema. On one snake the Best Platonic Girl deserves it, on the other... those Aspects are not gonna upgrade themselves and I lowkey don't wanna go past 10 heat...
runic terrace
YEAH for sure.... in the end, i took them back and felt happy with my descision, but it was SO HARD to choose
lost jungle
well
she said she doesnt want your help
and wants to achieve stuff on her own
so yeah taking it back is the nice thing
runic terrace
yeah!! its growth for zag
actually Listening to what someone needs of him and respecting what they want, not what he thinks they want 
errant patio
why Zag never tries the nectar? i mean he is nice and gives it away but maybe he should taste it?
restive elk
I think the reason is:" where I'm going these are not so rare, so I'm giving them to those who would need them more than me"
errant patio
oh yeah i remember that line
lusty barn
Until he steps on a banana peel and dies, eternally.
errant patio
imagine Zag finally getting to Olympus then accidently dies and goes back to Hades lol xD
pallid crag
hes not going to olympus though
slim pecan
He is going after his mother
errant patio
i know
slim pecan
Going to Olympus is a lie so the gods can help him
slim pecan
He only said he is escaping
lusty barn
Speaking of which, gods in game can clearly die (like Hades), so what happens to Olympians if they "die". Do they just get to use the teleporter like Hades?
errant patio
maybe they just end up in hell and be like "Hey Hades long time no see" xD
but i dont think gods die often
or if they ever died
errant patio
xD
jovial cedar
Or Dionysus after a really crazy night
west tundra
among other things, they don't have authority, or at least have lessened authority, in the underworld
and I feel like the olympians are really not interested in going anywhere where they're not in charge
errant patio
true
west tundra
maybe minus outliers like artemis and hermes
lusty barn
Well Hades can "die" so I have to assume so can the Olympians, in game.
jovial cedar
Dionysus has canonically died at least once in the myths
jovial cedar
Pretty sure he was born a god
lusty barn
But I'm talking with game lore
jovial cedar
Not many ways a baby can survive being torn apart
west tundra
so he's been once, and presumably wasn't too enthused about the lack of drinks
lusty barn
Dios history.... Is... Stranger than others.
jovial cedar
yeah he was a vampire
errant patio
i think im missing something xD
lusty barn
But in game, our point of reference is Hades. Who can be corporeally dead (is that a word?)
jovial cedar
As oppose to ethereally dead?
lusty barn
Then reconstitutes in Tartarus like the rest (assumedly). So do Olympians, if they get disembodied, go to Hades, curious ideas.
west tundra
whose body can be killed
lusty barn
Do they just then teleport using the red portal?
Obviously zag should be able to do so, except he refused to learn how.
jovial cedar
I’m on the boat that they just respawn on Olympus
Do you mean the teleporter in the administration chamber? I thought he just didn’t have the authority to make it work.
lusty barn
But why? We know a known OG Olympian can die and reconstitutes in Tartarus.
Zag says he never learned how to use it lol
jovial cedar
Yeah he also happens to be the king of the underworld and that’s his home.
lusty barn
Right but their cosmic status didn't change with the duties assigned. Hades is not technically cthonic.
jovial cedar
We could like, try stabbing Ares and see if he pops out of the pool of Styx.
lusty barn
I like that plan. He should be cool, violence is kinda his thing.
errant patio
what if you just went hunting with Artemis and accidently shot her ?
because fly was on her back maybe?
jovial cedar
Honestly I think that'd give her Orion flashbacks
errant patio
can anyone tell me why Demeter doesnt like Aphrodite? im super sure Demeter was talking about it but i forgot the reason xD
exotic mist
im guessing demeter is by nature just a reserved person and aphrodite is very... extra
maybe even some resentment for falling in love with a mortal, so she might blame aph for that
jovial cedar
I mean would your grandma enjoy the company of some nudist lady
silent pond
yo, has anyone found the trigger for the new Zeus/Artemis Affinity unlock?
junior field
@silent pond you just have to keep talking, there's nothing special for em
I had repeating lines after some new ones, and then new ones again
silent pond
according to the codex and the patch notes there is
silent pond
huh odd, I guess
stuff coming in the future: https://imgur.com/a/cldSzjL
vs this https://imgur.com/sXy9p0U
is what I mean
both zeus and artemis have it, I cant seem to get the trigger for it, idk why
silent pond
the lock
junior field
yeah, just keep talking
silent pond
odd
junior field
I haven't gotten either of em myself but keep seeing new lines
so probably just gotta exhaust em
slim pecan
Nah just talking to them
Hey will progress the story that way and open up the rest of the hearts
I just don't want to ||get friendzoned again like with 
||
I dont think I can take that kind of dmg again
jovial cedar
Fisguinho's resolve is tested...
slim pecan
jovial cedar
HOPELESS
didn't Artemis like, swear herself to chastity
and also the fact that she's Zag's cousin... 👀
slim pecan
Who knows, Greek mythology is like Alabama
She's been talking about some guy so I'm getting bad vibes from it
jovial cedar
Some guy? All I've heard her talk about is Callisto
runic terrace
callisto is a girl lol
jovial cedar
Callisto's a female nymph :X
slim pecan
At least it ain't popping in my head who it is
Aight
Wouldn't be surprised to lose to her either way
jovial cedar
Man Eros is pulling you around hard
runic terrace
i mean, callisto/artemis is still like a thousand times more probably than zag/artemis anyway 😂 i believe greg did mention in here that thats not happening whatsoever
vapid parcel
yeah seems like they setting it up for callisto and artemis given she calls her ||my callisto|| and stuff
i'm very excited!
winged ravine
how do i get the 4th aspecs of the weapons :c ?
vapid parcel
you have to talk to achilles for the spear and nyx for the sword, idk exactly when those dialoges unlock tho
winged ravine
ohh so basicly progress with conversations ?
vapid parcel
probably a mix of that and game progress? honestly no idea
winged ravine
okay, still thanks tho :D
jovial cedar
You can check the pins for Arthur's :x
echo orbit
Alright I’d love to hear theories on what we’ll see next for the Future Weapon Aspects and who the next/last Olympian might be?
rotund moth
I thought we weren't getting new olympians?
vapid parcel
i think it'll be people from different continents? like we have guan yu for asia, arthur for europe
idk who'd qualify tho
echo orbit
Oh my bad I counted 8 and I thought there was gonna be 9
jovial cedar
On the off chance that we do get new Olympians showing up
I'd like to see Supergiant's version of Apollo
supergiant pls
flat shell
We're apparently getting one more character after Demeter but not for a WHILE
flat shell
It was asked in ask-supergiant a while ago, wasn't it?
jovial cedar
So no sunlit abs? uOu
frozen jolt
i think some olympians were also directly mentioned to be busy in some in-game dialogue, but idr if it was apollo
*smashes skateboard and phone*
jovial cedar
Demeter says Hestia and Hera are busy :<
frozen jolt
yes, ty!
i remember i wanted to see apollo and hera the most, tho i have no idea what their boons would be honestly
i think the gods in the game rn are great, i dont feel like the variety of powers is lacking
more boons is always exciting tho
vapid parcel
if they went for apollo i could imagine more healing stuff but otherwise no idea
hera can summon one random family member asdfgh
echo orbit
Pardon for the long quote from #ask-supergiant “<@Anonymous user
Are there plans to introduce other gods even if they don't get their own boon? Who would you like to add the most?'
Greg: We have plans for one more character as part of our push toward exiting Early Access and getting to v1.0 of Hades. It was never really our goal to add all of the Olympians, vs. telling the specific story we wanted to tell. That's part of the reason why we opted for a frankly unpopular Olympian in Demeter over someone like Apollo, who is much more widely known, but less relevant to the specific story we're trying to tell here.
We didn't always plan on having Demeter in this game, and I'm really glad we did. Our cast has expanded to include characters we didn't originally anticipate, and at this point it has just about everybody I would have hoped for. There are tons of other compelling characters from Greek myth we think about, too, though we want to fully deliver on the many individual character stories we've set up.
frozen jolt
yeah, it feels too broken for a roguelite in theory when i thought about it, and he also shares some stuff with artemis so maybe redundant
honestly i just wanted to see jen's take on him and the banter with artemis, i was less interested in... the actual game side of it LOL
same with hera i suppose
echo orbit
I totally agree with what has been said
And I also agree with wanting to see those interactions
Or at least one-sided cameos
frozen jolt
but yeah. im so glad demeter is in the game over everyone else, shes been great to see
echo orbit
Absolutely
She’s a grumpy grandma but she’s still a well-written grandma
Let’s see
Hestia and Hera are busy
Apollo’s very popular and a bit redundant (might also be busy with being the sun every day)
elfin shadow
They might end up freeing some time in a future update/paid dlc. I would gladly pay for more biomes/weapons/olympians.
echo orbit
That’s also fair
I’d be happy to support SGG more
Do you think SGG would/could do anything new with Hephaestus? Or Pan?
I know Hephaestus’ forge domain is kind of covered by Daedalus and Pan’s wild nature is covered a bit by Artemis
jovial cedar
Apollo's god of plagues status doesn't really show up often so if he had any gimmicks I'd like something like a DoT that spreads
frozen jolt
well, dionysus has that boon
which is why i feel like apollo would kind of be redundant
frozen jolt
yeah! theres a boon that makes it spread to other enemies, iirc?
im p sure
Peer Pressure: Hangover-afflicted foes contaminate other nearby foes every 4 Sec.
jovial cedar
dreams shattering even more :'D
if anything id imagine hed be a huge egomaniac like Theseus
"By my Father, there's two of them now..."
burnt harbor
God, the fact now Arthur aspect allows you to bypass traps makes all the difference for me
As you barely could see them with the aura on
flat shell
Yeah, no kidding, and it DOES feel more in the spirit of it to just tell the darn things "no"
flat shell
That'd be NICE considering the aura makes it hard to tell where the platform ends and the magma begins but I haven't tested it yet
undone reef
Some Titans would be cool as well. Anyway, so many characters in the Greek mythology...SGG has to do the cut! Or it would become Hades in Creed Odyssey 🙂
open berry
I won't be home for a bit still, has anyone seen updated patroclus model, I would like to see He
frozen jolt
im updating my game rn in hopes of seeing him, but with my 100kb download speed.... it might be a while
pls post
open berry
@frozen jolt us @ anyone playing rn: pspspsps patroclus
tired veldt
it seems there is also new Hades model when he's in the house
open berry
patch notes say he has new animations but nothing about new model
drifting citrus
upload somewhere else, like imgur or another discord server, and paste the link here
drifting citrus
👍
haughty carbon
Hades be looking sassy doe
craggy shadow
https://i.gyazo.com/3492fe8c2b835b540d6bcea2004ad2fc.png thanks for the new skelly animation you snuck in, this is hilarious
modern hearth
lol what the actual
modern hearth
In my head I can just hear it belting out opera
tight depot
"BEHOLD, BOYO!"
glossy juniper
omg
the real endgame of hades is a visual novel
hollow mortar
When you keep hitting Dusa after summoning her and she be like "Good thing we have this bond!"
echo orbit
Aww no! I didn't know you could hit her!
hollow mortar
(I thought she was an enemy, please don't hate me)
You can, but she's invulnerable 
open berry
I once accidentally knocked skelly into the lava immediately upon killing the hydra and he was like uh????
echo orbit
Whoops
Going back to the last Olympian discussion for a moment: I'm really interested to see whom they might choose. They might not even be a traditional Olympian. But it seems like SGG is very consistent in developing the stories of each of the Olympians as well
Artemis and Callisto
Zeus/Hades/Poseidon dynamic
Demeter and Persephone
Hermes' "undercover" work
Aphrodite and Ares
Athena as Nyx's contact
frozen jolt
are there more olympians to be added? i thought demeter was the last one
or rather. another one
echo orbit
Greg mentioned that there would be one more, but it wouldn't be for a while
Or at least, that's what it seemed like in #ask-supergiant
open berry
I thought they said there was one more character, not necessarily an olympian
frozen jolt
i mean.... it better be mom 
echo orbit
I mean I think Mom is already established as going to be in the game
Heracles could be interesting...
Part of me is really holding out for Hecate actually
Or Hephaestus
I'd love to see Hephaestus
frozen jolt
i know anything could happen but part of me is hoping the ending isnt going to break my heart, id really like a satisfying conclusion for all the time i spent fighting to get out of hell
drifting citrus
if it's not mom, i hope maybe a styx npc? all the other biomes have npcs
either that or another face at the House 👀
frozen jolt
i wonder how the game is going to be when you can actually escape, its terrifying to think about
echo orbit
With the Olympians finding out?
errant mango
It's SGG, I expect the conclusion to be heartbreaking, or at least bittersweet
drifting citrus
idk, with the way narrative events are set up right now, i'm not sure we're gonna be able to "escape" the first time
echo orbit
I'm thinking that if you forge maximum bonds with at least some of them, they'll be more understanding/less angry
drifting citrus
there are many lines you unlock only after escaping the first time, and plenty of them say something like "i thought you escaped!" etc
frozen jolt
its just that right now, every time you beat the game you go back to the house. and im assuming when the renovations arent ongoing its not gonna be like that
drifting citrus
there's a line with hades you can only unlock at 20 heat and you've already escaped at least 20+ times at that point
frozen jolt
either way im excited to see it
im gonna unlock as much as i can while the game is in EA and start a fresh save when its fully released, i think
echo orbit
I think the same goes for me
errant mango
I'm very curious to see how they handle the ending, if there even is one. I feel like the current "loop" is quite fun and I wouldn't like if winning a run meant that you couldn't go for another one
echo orbit
Oh! You know what? Pan as a new character could be interesting especially with "panic" since he's responsible for its conception
And yeah that's fair
A lot of Hades' appeal is the replayability
errant mango
It's part of the genre at this point
I've seen some people talk about Pan potentially being a NPC in Styx, like Sisyphus and the others
echo orbit
I'd be interested to see what they decide to do whether Pan is "alive" or not
errant mango
Oh yeah because he's the only god to actually die right?
exotic mist
is there any particular reason that we suspect sggs putting pan in the game?
ive seena lot of discussion about him but idk why
errant mango
Not to my knowledge
echo orbit
Not to my knowledge either
I think he's just obscure enough to be interesting
While being well-known enough to have stuff to work with
errant mango
He would be interesting for sure
exotic mist
i wonder if they're gonna include the gods/beings that have aspects named after them
echo orbit
I know I've said it before and referenced Overly Sarcastic Productions, and actually "blarghhh" was here when I said it before
But Pan might not actually have died
exotic mist
talos would be wack but i could see eris maybe being in the house with her mom nyx
echo orbit
Oh Eris would be fun
exotic mist
oh lol i remember that.
echo orbit
Although I'm not sure if the goddess of discord would be allowed in the House
exotic mist
is discordia roman eris i dont remember
echo orbit
Discord and Strife are essentially the same thing in terms of definitions
echo orbit
Fair enough. The reason I said discord was because the sources I've learned about her from referenced her as Goddess of Discord
exotic mist
ah
errant mango
"Eris ("Strife") is the Greek goddess of strife and discord. Her Roman equivalent is Discordia"
Confusing
exotic mist
honestly most of my greek myth knowledge is from osp and (embarassingly) pjo/hoo
echo orbit
So we're both right!
echo orbit
Probably either the Temple of the Styx or Tartarus
exotic mist
ooh styx would be interesting
echo orbit
There's a lot of chaos/discord/internal disharmony in the temple
And I wouldn't be surprised if she played a hand in that somehow
Oh my gosh Eris is the reason the Temple has a pest problem
exotic mist
there's also chiron, hera, hestia, nemesis, and talos but i dont think chiron or talos would show up at all
ooooo
i like that theory
though if eris would want to sow chaos, its definitely bold to work against hades
considering her mother is in allegiance with him
errant mango
I had no idea who Talos was until now and honestly wow
exotic mist
all i remember is taht talos is big robot man
i think thats wrong
but thats all i know lmao
errant mango
Something like that hahah
echo orbit
He was a giant bronze man that threw boulders at passing ships
flint wing
i'd always imagined hestia like, the bittersweet, somber, eldest olympian. wise but also emotionally grounded, yknow?
echo orbit
I can't overstate how much I love Hestia
flint wing
oh oops
echo orbit
???
flint wing
didn't realize we had a censor
exotic mist
i just imagine her as like a sweetheart. imo she would best be in the game with like mini hearths that replace the fountains
errant mango
Yep there's a swear filter
flint wing
but yeah i was a bit thrown off by hestia's first mention in hades being 'this is the goddess with a literal GUN'
exotic mist
lmaooo
flint wing
she SHOOTS PEOPLE
exotic mist
it was a PHASE
flint wing
with her MACHINE GUN
exotic mist
though interestingly she is referred to as the "fire" goddess rather than the goddess of the hearth
so maybe we could get fire boons from her
echo orbit
I mean it's just common hospitality to give someone some nice warm bullets when they trash your home
exotic mist
but i think of her as a pacifist
so maybe the fountains becoming hearths is more likely
flint wing
yeah it almost gives me dark souls pyromancy vibes. fire as both home and warmth and also the fire that happens when you fire a high power machine gun
exotic mist
was she ever the latter in myths?
flint wing
i don't remember her mowing down chumps with a railgun but it's been a while since i cracked open daulaire's book of myths
echo orbit
The fire as violent punishment was more of a consequence of people violating her domain of hospitality
exotic mist
ah
echo orbit
Since hospitality was a very big deal in Ancient Greece
Tantalus is a good example of this
exotic mist
wait was sisyphus the king who killed his kids and put them in bread or was that someoen else
errant mango
???
flint wing
that was tantalus
flint wing
sisyphus tied hades to a fence
echo orbit
Sisyphus was still a terrible host though
flint wing
ah i'd originally heard it as hades
echo orbit
He murdered his guests and stole their stuff
errant mango
There are several versions of that story
flint wing
but hestia is also the firstborn of the chronos so i'd always imagined her as being sort of uniquely powerful or cosmically placed
exotic mist
thats more an error of people confusing death and the god of the dead
dusty elbow
Every time I forget Greek mythology is weird as hell and then it slaps me in the face
exotic mist
b r e a d
flint wing
i find it very funny in the context of this game that it was hades he tied to a fence
echo orbit
I thought it was Thanatos?
echo orbit
Ah
But yeah I think part of the reason we don't hear as much about Hestia is because you didn't really need myths to explain a part of society that was so intrinsic
Hestia was revered always
And everyone knew who she was
exotic mist
the only other myth i remember was that someone slighted her (possible ||rape?|| unsure) and the other olympians took revenge on her behalf and it was intense
echo orbit
Yeah that did happen
Hestia fell asleep at a party and a satyr tried to pull some funny business
exotic mist
i think you might've told me about it aximeck but i don't remember what
like months ago lol
exotic mist
the other non olympian in the aspects that is the most plausible is nemesis... is she also a daughter of nyx? i feel like she is
exotic mist
speaking of kids, i wonder why nyx claims that meg has no parents
cause iirc the furies came from ouranos like aphrodite
signal palm
Maybe she means that in the same way one would say "I don't have a dad. He left for cigarettes 24 years ago and never came back."
hollow charm
wait whats this about a man baking his kids into bread what
exotic mist
tantalus
hollow charm
greek myths why you like this
exotic mist
was a wack man
i kinda wanna see him as the head chef for the pure irony
i thought aph came from like ouranos' genitals that turned into seafoam
does that make her the eldest?
echo orbit
Technically yes
exotic mist
ive heard that both aph and hestia are the eldest
echo orbit
I was just keeping it PG
signal palm
Before they resolved the Orph/Eury I was hoping she would end up the chef/ in the kitchen
exotic mist
or is hestia just the eldest of kronos' lot
echo orbit
Hestia is the eldest of Kronos
exotic mist
ah
echo orbit
So technically still younger
@hollow charm So there's no explanation why Tantalus thought it was a good idea to a) murder a family member in Ancient Greece or b) offer cannibalism to the gods, but essentially Tantalus invites the Olympians over for dinner and kills his son Pelops and cooks him for dinner
flint wing
yeah it's supposed to be a weird duality where she's both the eldest and the youngest of chronos's children
exotic mist
yeah he's just wack
maybe he thought it would be reverent since they killed their parents
flint wing
human sacrifice was a big big taboo too so
echo orbit
Pelops gets brought back to life, Hephaestus makes him a shoulder for the one Demeter accidentally ate
hollow charm
ok so tantalus was just crazy
exotic mist
wait his child came back to life??
echo orbit
And Pelops goes on to father the line of kings that results in Agamemnon
exotic mist
hell yeah last time i heard his tale i thought they got no justice
oh
agamemnon
hmm
flint wing
augh sorry
hollow charm
also i like to imagine the diagram for the olympians family tree is just a messy scribble
flint wing
rephrase
errant mango
I can't find anything about bread though? Where's the bread?
echo orbit
Depends on the version
flint wing
gods go absolutely heckwild when they find out he killed a human in their name and tried to feed him to them
exotic mist
i might be thinking of bread being in association with hospitality
since its a common "host" food
echo orbit
In some Pelops is killed and then cooked, in other versions he gets whisked off by Poseidon for appropriately Greek reasons
hollow charm
"appropriately greek reasons"
slim pecan
You can check the video of "oversarcastic productions" or wtv is called
hollow charm
that made me laugh
slim pecan
Red explains it very well with visual help
exotic mist
unfortunately i haven't touched youtube in forever
echo orbit
I love OSP
flint wing
i've always thought it was interesting that despite all the general bloody awfulness woven into greek myth and godly activity, human sacrifice is this universal taboo across all the pantheon
exotic mist
lmao
yeah the gods have strange morals
they're a reflection of the worst of humanity tbh
echo orbit
Except for Hestia
flint wing
also re: aphrodite, she's the closest olympian to the primordial beginning of it all, since she comes straight from ouranos. so, makes sense with her insane greater call move lol
exotic mist
honestly i think aphs call and her trial should be wayyyyy harder
flint wing
her trial is one of the hardest for me tbh
exotic mist
the other gods allude to it but aph is a goddess of literal fear
flint wing
that heart moves so fast i usually avoid angering her
errant mango
I find the heart projectile funny for some reason idk
The whole idea of running away from a heart
echo orbit
Achilles said it well. A broken heart is one of the most deadly things in the world
flint wing
i always really liked hestia's portrayal in the percy jackson series, i thought it captured that kind of quiet, bittersweet home and hearth feeling
flint wing
which kinda took me aback for such an action oriented ya series
i thought tone wise, at least
flint wing
like how percy gives her pandora's box
and gives her hope as his offering to her
and the way she appears as this kind of quiet, demure counsel in the middle of all the hogwild YA-fic new york war excitement
and then the fact the whole book is straight up named after her, 'the last olympian'
tbh hades has had me really wanting to reread the percy jackson books
exotic mist
the pjo series is fun. not in the sense that it's like great revolutionary literature but more like its an enjoyable power fantasy
nothing against riordan tho
flint wing
i really enjoyed just, the very unnerving sense of sadness behind it all? like below the quirky YA action there was always this unedgy darkness to it that i thought really set it apart
like the huge overarching themes of child abandonment
exotic mist
personally i felt he didn't tap into that aspect enough tbh
flint wing
there's also the way it never really frames teens going on adventures as a good thing?
exotic mist
like no one really rejects the gods or higher beings in general despite all the bad things they've done
flint wing
isn't that kind of the point of chronos? he basically built an army of abandoned teens who felt so rejected and unwanted by their family that an abusive monster could easily paint himself as their best option
exotic mist
and not in that like edgy athiest "the gods are dead" etc way, but they kinda do things because thats in their nature as demigods and no one really questions it
kronos? i suppose. i frankly don't even remember much about him other than possessing luke and something about a bridge
flint wing
there was also that moment when he summons the shade of theseus in i think book 4, and is really taken aback that theseus is just a teenager, about his age, and is kind of disturbed to see someone he'd always imagined as an older man just be a kid, and the really awful implications of a kid who'd gone through the whole hero rigmarole
cause kronos's whole schtick was getting demigods whose parents never claimed them to join his army, and percy mentions a few times that he actually recognizes a bunch of the kids who ended up in joining him
flint wing
oh yea that nemesis kid, cause he was the one that did the big blow to kronos in the throneroom
exotic mist
i think he died very tragically in a spin off book
flint wing
nah he died there. i still remember that his last words were 'if they only had thrones...' before kronos kicks him off the side of the building
flint wing
oh i have no idea who that is
exotic mist
i know for a fact that he was in the demigods adventure books thingie
he did spells in latin and it was cool
flint wing
oh that sounds neat
jovial cedar
Ethan Nakamura got his own spinoff book??? ouo
modern hearth
I liked the books he did that touched on Egyptian mythology and connected it all with his Greek/Roman series.
onyx spoke
the egyptian and the norse ones were my favorites
terse jasper
out of curiosity, is there somewhere to find Charon's Shop theme?
i can't find it online
and i don't know what name it would be under in orpheus' song list
chilly hawk
It's there
One of the low cost songs I believe
They have descriptions
His one says it was specifically commissioned for him
chilly hawk
Happy to help!
flint wing
talk about aphrodite earlier as the eldest olympian and the one closest to the weird eldritch primordial soup of the beginning has me vibing like, a terrifying, eldritch-looking aprhodite design
open berry
OOHHH I FINALLY GOT TO SEE NEW PATROCLUS MODEL im so 🥺 🥺 🥺 🥺
vapid parcel
😭 i love him
thorn compass
"woe is me" - Pat
chilly hawk
Yall are makin me jealous
atomic forge
He's beautiful. 
drifting citrus
if nyx and chaos, and eurydice and orpheus can reunite, let pat and achilles do it too >:V
open berry
surely its in the works..................... i can be hopeful right
vapid parcel
yeah i think they'll do it... but i want it now :c
junior field
I wonder if that means Achilles will get some touch ups
his portrait doesn't have the hood covering his head but his model does
vapid parcel
probably in the works, i'd say, like charon
btw does anyone know what that phrase he says is all about? ||fear is for the weak|| i mean?
open berry
given they gave pat a unique model, i would say all of the hooded npc models are going to get a unique touch by full release
the hooded portraits were always meant as placeholders, so the hooded models may all be placeholders as well. i wasnt sure if sgg would mess with them but if theyve done pat...
frozen jolt
yeah, they seem to be placeholders :]
modern hearth
Your name is making me want to replay F.E.A.R.
And I already did that like six months ago.
frozen jolt
I love to see how the game is slowly getting all those seemingly small visual touch ups, but when you look at it all together, it’s a HUGE improvement from what it was a year ago and so much work has been done. supergiant art team doing fantastic work
junior field
@vapid parcel probably generic pep talk
frozen jolt
ahh that’s just my name D: no relation to scary alma
vapid parcel
idk about that tho? it sounds like such a specific thing tbh
junior field
I mean, Zag had to face Hades
modern hearth
I don't think Alma is scary inherently, she was made into what she is through years of abuse and experimentation.
junior field
telling him not to crap his pants is a solid advice
modern hearth
Haha but I suppose she still causes like literally all the spooky to happen as a result tho so I understand the distancing.
frozen jolt
idk anything about that game other that it’s horror soz
modern hearth
Dang those first two games are so good.
vapid parcel
i mean you're right but also this doesn't seem like something achilles the way we know him would say like that? like he also said that every.setback is an opportunity to learn and that's a very different approach
frozen jolt
but feel free to keep talking about it in #off-topic-discussion !
junior field
well, who was the god of fear?
junior field
I dunno, maybe a hint towards him
vapid parcel
maybe
frozen jolt
he also says it in the complete codex entry for Patroclus
junior field
ah
frozen jolt
it just seems to be some sort of mantra of his
junior field
well, there you have it
modern hearth
He's just spitting facts
junior field
it's just pep talk
junior field
@modern hearth there is though
frozen jolt
well, it’s not necessarily a very healthy one to have, yeah
junior field
babies go to Hades, too
frozen jolt
if you shut down all your emotions like that
vapid parcel
yeah
modern hearth
Why are they sending babies to Hades
vapid parcel
def not good and probably trauma bc of the rage
modern hearth
Do they become baby shades
vapid parcel
he went into after pat died
frozen jolt
the fact that he passed it down to zag as well is :((
frozen jolt
it’s time for therapy in the house of hades I think we could all use it lads
modern hearth
So do they reside in some sort of limbo area because aren't the areas you arrive at usually designated by your actions/morals in your life?
A baby is essentially a morally blank canvas
junior field
who knows
vapid parcel
it’s time for therapy in the house of hades I think we could all use it lads
@frozen jolt oh def
modern hearth
Do they stay babies forever
It would suck to perpetually be an infant
Hades needs to reexamine this baby clause.
open berry
thinking about song of achilles where achilles tells patroclus, they dont allow you to be famous and happy, and just looking at sgg achilles and how remorseful he is.... oof.
frozen jolt
Depends if you believe in tabula rasa 
bold niche
it would be great to be an infant perpetually
frozen jolt
are there evil babies in hell
junior field
I don't think anyone ages downstairs, nor do they seem limited to the form they died in
bold niche
shame you realize it too late
modern hearth
Not if your mind was that of an infant perpetually as well
frozen jolt
I need to finish song of Achilles
vapid parcel
its so good
bold niche
exactly bc of this
vapid parcel
very sad but so good
frozen jolt
I have trouble reading books but i enjoyed it
open berry
[chanting] read it read it read it
vapid parcel
i wonder what myth they use as base for his story
bold niche
everything is new and wonderful
modern hearth
It'd be kindest to just let babies reincarnate and get a chance at ageing their souls a little before assigning them to an eternity of paradise or pain.
modern hearth
o:
vapid parcel
WHERE
open berry
vapid parcel
AHHHHHH
open berry
got u fam
frozen jolt
ty 
vapid parcel
tho also than is def older than him tho
modern hearth
Wow that makes me want to die from how cute that is
vapid parcel
like way older
frozen jolt
Remember it
vapid parcel
very good art tho imma cry
modern hearth
I DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE LIL BABBY MEG
frozen jolt
babymeg makes me very happy I love her
vapid parcel
also skelly ahshdhfh
thorn compass
Alecto and Tisphone are grounded from life
modern hearth
lil baby pierced butterfly too
Baby Than's uninterested expression is going to be my new avatar
frozen jolt
you can find it in higher quality somewhere in #announcements btw, iirc
uncrunched by twitter
as well as other lovely illustrations by Jen and Joanne
modern hearth
This is the way
vapid parcel
this is the way
thorn compass
turn left
modern hearth
Here we go, this is a better crop.
Have to have the crossed arms for the full measure of disappointment Baby Than is experiencing.
vapid parcel
perfect
modern hearth
Baby Zag reminds me of Baby Hercules from Disney's Hercules.
valid vale
thats what it reminded me of!!!
modern hearth
It's the spirals on the elbows and the general chubbiness haha
thorn compass
Disney Zeus
valid vale
it was bothering me fkdhdkfg
vapid parcel
oh my god you're right
tbh the one thing i think is a bit weird is that partially they use the greek names for stuff but then they use latinized names for other stuff? it kinda confuses me xD
errant patio
is it just me or anyone else thinks Nyx is just super mean now? before update i thought she was kind and sweet but now she is just mean all the time
valid vale
I haven’t gotten any mean dialogue tbh
modern hearth
I think that just may be a coincidence revolving her events.
open berry
ive never seen her be mean?
modern hearth
I thought she was mean the moment I saw her bullying Dusa and that was way before update.
vapid parcel
yeah that was mean :c otherwise not tho
bold niche
maxed her dialogues before updates, and I think, i can tell how things are going before.. don't think she was that kind.. at least to everyone
atomic forge
I wouldn't consider that bullying Dusa so much as being rather strict considering who Dusa's ultimate superior (Hades) is.
That was the one time Nyx wasn't full-tilt "I support you and everything you do."
open berry
nyx is very matter of factly and i think some people may interpret that as mean in some instances
modern hearth
Mmmmmmmmm
valid vale
also yeah it’s kinda weird they use some latinized names and other names that are greek
modern hearth
I think in a lot of instances, being strict directly conflates with being mean.
open berry
at the end of the days gods and primordial entities dont really experience empathy in the same manner as we do, zag is like. the outlier
valid vale
he is the outlier and he should not be counted
modern hearth
That reminds me, does that mean when he's full grown he'll only be 3/4th the size of a God?
Are all the other Olympians the same scale as Hades?
open berry
humans dont continually regenerate upon experiencing horrifying deaths like zag does :v
valid vale
no wonder Asterius calls him short one
vapid parcel
agsgdgsggs
modern hearth
What development period of growth would you place Zag at rn
vapid parcel
100%
modern hearth
Late teens/early twenties? Mid/late twenties?
vapid parcel
mid twenties
modern hearth
I was thinking 24 - 26.
vapid parcel
yeah same
modern hearth
But based on his design and general attitude he acts more like he's closer to 19 - 21.
I mean I love him but he's rife with the YA angst.
vapid parcel
idk if id say that
we need to remember that his whole life just changed
and his father is abusive
modern hearth
I'm just basing it on the general age of warriors/soldiers/heroes back in Ancient Greece. 18 - 25 was generally their primetime.
bold niche
who knows how he would act and what his personality would look like if he was raised by Hades alone, or surrounded with persons like Hades
but yeah, he kinda looks older that he is probably
vapid parcel
oh god i don't want to imagine that :c my poor bby
errant patio
okay another question. why Hades doesnt want Zag to leave? is it because Hades couldnt escape and is now jealous or does Hades actually like Zag? im pretty sure that they were talking about something i dont remember but i havent played in a while
vapid parcel
i think hades just doesn t want him to escape his control
modern hearth
Hades is protecting him from something.
west tundra
it's complicated and I think there's elements we haven't heard about yet
though I think primarily it's that Hades is controlling
valid vale
||he also mentions there will be consequences greater than the endless winter if he tells Demeter who his real mother is||
modern hearth
If I were Zag I would be selfish af and tell Demeter asap lol
vapid parcel
ahdhfjf idk if that's a good idea
modern hearth
Get me the heck outta here, Gma
vapid parcel
given how she talks about everyone and persephone
bold niche
maybe I think he is that kind of parents, who see kids as a property.. he already made up a life for him and gets irritated every time his property dares to mess with his plans
modern hearth
Throw hands at my dad while I finally escape
mighty tinsel
If you read the mythos
You would realize that would be a very bad idea
She literally created winter for "losing" her daughter
modern hearth
Which she's already done by the point of the game.
bold niche
she is quite able to freeze the hell.. and heaven
atomic forge
Oh, yeah, Demeter is among my candidates for final boss battle if she finds out that her daughter had a child with one of the Olympians.
modern hearth
In the mythos she gets Perse back with the help of Zeus and co and then we get seasons.
junior field
well, Hades is hardly an olympian
vapid parcel
he used to be tho
modern hearth
But this game seems to have diverged already because ||Hades doesn't know where she is either||
atomic forge
He's their brother.
vapid parcel
and she doesn't want to be found by them
modern hearth
I wonder what her reasoning is
vapid parcel
and why she didn't mention zag in her letter
modern hearth
Why knowingly drag out a winter
west tundra
he's more of a chthonian, then? by appointment at least
hard to distinguish nature and office in this particular situation
valid vale
hades is a mole olympian. live underground. also kind of a butthead
shy nimbus
Also, where in the earth Persephone can be that she doesn't notice the neverending winter out there?
shy nimbus
That's a theory
errant patio
oof xD
modern hearth
How did she even escape
valid vale
||nyx said she helped her||
open berry
i think theres more at hand beyond simply hades being controlling. he is and there's no question of that, he's controlling of every aspect of the house, not simply his dealings with zag. but why have achilles train zagreus if hades truly intended to make sure zag never escapes? that part doesnt add up, in addition to the fight commentary
errant patio
maybe paid tons of money to Charon?
west tundra
by not having anyone looking for her?
bold niche
raised by mean mother, got to mean husband, don't think she wants at this point to be found
modern hearth
Ah blanketed her with night like she's doing Zag?
valid vale
yep
west tundra
hades was maybe more mellow before she left
modern hearth
He likely was.
west tundra
tho I'd like to imagine she got some cool fights in
shy nimbus
People have different sides
modern hearth
I think Hades might know more than he's letting on about the circumstances of Perseph's departure.
vapid parcel
oh deg
shy nimbus
Hades can be a total mitten when he was with Persephone. Who knows?
Cupid works in mysterious way
bold niche
maybe he thought he was
vapid parcel
i just hope they don't try to redeem hades
open berry
hades definitely knows more about whats going on in general than he lets on
bold niche
but nah.. unlikely
modern hearth
Hades hasn't really done anything that needs redeeming.
shy nimbus
I don't think Persephone in the surface either
modern hearth
He's just doing what he's literally being forced to do by his two a-hole brothers because they wanted the cooler jobs.
vapid parcel
i mean... he's clearly abusive toward his son?
shy nimbus
Otherwise Helios, her uncle will spot her already
atomic forge
Verbally and implied physically abusive, in the past.
vapid parcel
yep
valid vale
yep
modern hearth
My point is that that's in character for him, not a trait that requires a redemption arc.
atomic forge
An abusive person doesn't require a redemption arc?
valid vale
and I’d hate this game to do the thing popular media enjoys doing, which is redeeming abusive parents
vapid parcel
yeah exactly
shy nimbus
That reminds me the whole speak Zag made in some early boss fight conversations lol
vapid parcel
let zag beat his ass
open berry
i dont think anyone has ever said he needs a redemption arc, simply that they hoped there wouldnt be one.
bold niche
we've talked about that the way he treats others can be understood.. why is he like he is
open berry
so theres no reason we need to make the assumption he will get one
bold niche
but still, he did make mistakes
atomic forge
Sorry, didn't mean to put it like that.
I think there will be some softening of his character, but his relationship with Zagreus will never become truly loving at this point.
modern hearth
It's okay to provide context through which we can sympathize with his actions.
But it doesn't make him less of the bad guy.
atomic forge
Okay, I agree with that.
errant patio
wait until now i thought Hades tried to leave because he didnt want to be stuck under surface forever but now i just realized he tried to find Persephone for sure
open berry
but a big major thing people are forgetting is that we still have an incomplete story, and we dont have all of the information that led events to happen in the way they did. nothing will ever change the actions hades has taken but we dont have all the pieces
vapid parcel
yeah i just don t want them to make excuses or anything
bold niche
most of the bad guys had some issues.. bad things in the past
modern hearth
Sympathetic villains are 10/10.
vapid parcel
but i am very excited to see where it goes
modern hearth
But still villains.
bold niche
something that made them broken
modern hearth
Unless your writing is good enough that you can pull off a Zuko.
west tundra
I think the big three drew lots for their positions
modern hearth
In which case I would love for SGG to Zuko Hades.
west tundra
zeus got heaven, poseidon got sea, hades got underworld, pretty much at random
modern hearth
But I doubt that's the direction.
atomic forge
God, Zuko is so good.
vapid parcel
zuko is awesome
atomic forge
He was also never on top like Hades kinda-sorta-not-really is.
vapid parcel
yeaaaah
west tundra
I could see a... "this is why your dad is how he is, but you don't have to forgive or like him"
modern hearth
Zuko is imo one of the best written characters, just, in general. Of all time.
atomic forge
So a lot of his venom early in the series was cushioned by people able to go "Uh, no."
Agreed, Cale.
west tundra
"just understand that there are reasons your jerk dad has become this way"
atomic forge
Completely agreed.
bold niche
actually, there is a lot more in Zag from Zuko.. than in Hades
vapid parcel
yeah def
bold niche
beside he has never been a bad guy
vapid parcel
and not just the eye thing
west tundra
maybe... what's a comparable Bad Dad Redemption Arc
modern hearth
Well I was using Zuko more as a verb than a descriptor.
As in, to supply a character arc written well enough that his transition from villain to hero would actually work
But given how he's treated Zagreus even the greatest of intentions don't really make him a good guy. Just a bad guy who has done some good things.
atomic forge
I don't think Hades is in a place where he could fully transition into a heroic character, not just in the ending we have left.
open berry
there's nothing in the dialogue currently to suggest they would ever go that route
vapid parcel
yeaaaah
bold niche
well, etiher that, or some kind of Dio Brando thing.. bad childhood, cruel father, abandoned by everyone, but still you want to hate him.. as a worst person in the world
either a good bad_guy, or good bad guy
modern hearth
The only sort of 'twist' I could see happening is that maybe Hades actually conspired with Persephone on her escape and they're both planning something.
thorn compass
like a divorce?
atomic forge
That I could see.
open berry
a divorce wouldnt be a twist that would mean anything to the game's narrative lol
shy nimbus
Then that conspiracy is a bit too cruel with her leaving that note
vapid parcel
possible but he'd be a very good actor
west tundra
signed a chthonic prenup
bold niche
what if Zag was not so much wanted child and Hades knows it?
and he doesn't want him to ever know the truth
vapid parcel
he def acts like he doesn t want zag either
thorn compass
so illegitimate?
shy nimbus
The biggest problem I have with Persephone is that she didn't mention Zag at all, while she mentioned the dog
vapid parcel
yeaah
modern hearth
Maybe she didn't write it
shy nimbus
Like, is she even his real birth mom?
open berry
its not so much that he doesnt want zag as it is that he expects zag to contribute to the house as everyone else is fully obligated and expected to, so of course he gets angry that zag says no and blows that off. there's also nothing to suggest that zag was an unwanted child.
modern hearth
Did Demeter start the winter when Persephone initially arrived at the Underworld?
Or did it start at some point in time after she left.
bold niche
well, that was just a speculation
shy nimbus
Like, did Zag pop out of a pomegranate fruit or sth? How on earth did you not even mention your son, woman?
bold niche
conspiracy theory
vapid parcel
yeah i think we're just bouncing ideas arojnd
tbh i feel like the only way that really makes sense is if he wasn t born yet?
modern hearth
Yeah I guess we don't know the exact timeframe of her leaving, even.
Time is weird in the Underworld.
open berry
the ultimate moral of this story is communication is very important since nearly everyone in the game has communication issues, good grief
vapid parcel
ahdhfhf
bold niche
in different ways
modern hearth
Do you think Zag's flaming feet will be an issue on Earth
open berry
doesnt he leave charred footprints in the snow
shy nimbus
According to Demeter (and Zeus), Persephone just dissapeared one day (Helios did see her entering the Underworld, Demeter refuses to believe it). So I guess over time Demeter grew weary and became completely disregarding to mortals.
open berry
i literally just finished a run i should remember this but i dont
modern hearth
He leaves charred footprints literally everywhere he runs
open berry
well the snow is on the surface
modern hearth
The snow is being useful in counter-acting the fire part
But I mean in areas where there is no snow
shy nimbus
Zag would leave watery holes every where.
thorn compass
brace yourselves: Demeter is here
modern hearth
How tf is Zag going to walk around without starting fires everywhere
open berry
zag walks in grass and starts a fire instantly
shy nimbus
Or just mud.
modern hearth
Also do you think the flaming feet contribute to his restlessness
thorn compass
Zag needs tungsten shoes
modern hearth
That's like restless leg syndrome x 10000
Imagine trying to sleep but your feet are on fire
He's always doing runs because he can't stand still
vapid parcel
i think that migjt just be adhd xD
thorn compass
percy jackson
modern hearth
How how do you think his feet are in degrees
open berry
have yall thought about how all the chthonic denizens that are shown with their feet are barefoot.... zag, hades, thanatos, hypnos, and all the furies
vapid parcel
shoes are for the weak
shy nimbus
Most of the Nyx's side can fly. So...
modern hearth
His feet are hot enough to cause combustion on contact, even without an obvious fuel source besides oxygen.
Is there oxygen in Hades?
bold niche
guess there are other gases in the underworld
shy nimbus
Like, if I can float like most of them, you would never see me touching the ground ever
bold niche
and magma is still much hotter than his feet
open berry
i just think its funny. its hard to tell with the furies but they are definitely barefoot as well
welcome to the underworld, leave your shoes at the door
bold niche
also, we should consider atmosphere pressure
shy nimbus
We are a float only household
modern hearth
And the color of the fire at Zag's feet is deep red, which means they're clocking in at around 600 - 800 degrees C.
bold niche
abandon thine shoes
vapid parcel
tho i we don't know if achilles wears shoes and i think sysiphus wears shoes so maybe only the gods
bold niche
well, if he ever gets out and takes part in some kind of dancing activities, he better watch himself.. consequences can be disastrous
modern hearth
That's roughly the same amount of heat that a house fire puts out at full blaze.
open berry
@vapid parcel theyre shades though, not gods or aspect incarnates or anything
modern hearth
Therefore, Zag's feet have the potential to burn down entire Greek villages.
vapid parcel
yeah i know, i assume they wear what they wore in death
bold niche
what if when he dashes, the heat raises guickly, causing combustions
vapid parcel
tho... that also means patroclus is still wearing achilles' armor
bold niche
and that's why there are these traces everywhere
shy nimbus
I don't think so. Theseus should have been a really old man when he died
bold niche
considering.. dashing is not something a mortal can be able to do
bold niche
maybe shades can choose how to look.. or they look like people remembered them
modern hearth
All this Greek talk has me craving a Gyro
bold niche
well.. then you're just a amorphous entity in a hood
vapid parcel
gasp
but i do like the idea of you wearing what you wore in life, just for the sad drama
modern hearth
I feel like a lot of shades would just be naked then
Those Ancient Greeks were wilin'
They'd all be oiled up too
vapid parcel
u sure that's what the shades want xP
bold niche
it's hot underground
modern hearth
Do they even feel temperature as shades
vapid parcel
shrug
modern hearth
What should I have for dinnerrrrrr
vapid parcel
this is fine
bold niche
y
vapid parcel
What should I have for dinnerrrrrr
@modern hearth sushi
modern hearth
No sushi place here is open with this Corona outbreak going on lol
vapid parcel
pizza
modern hearth
Food establishments can only deliver and carry out.
vapid parcel
i keep swearing on accident 😭
modern hearth
it's ok
I have to be super conscious of it because normally my vocabulary is very uh
vapid parcel
same
bold niche
there are no more grains and pasta at our place
vapid parcel
oooof
bold niche
everything was swept away
vapid parcel
commercial voice you can! yes you! with only the right ingredients and recipe, you can make pasta
modern hearth
Yeah if only all it took was flour, eggs, water, and sometimes (but usually) salt.
bold niche
(comment with sound)
vapid parcel
huh
bold niche
even if they don't need to
modern hearth
Shades eat the ghosts of all the food that gets sacrificed to the Gods
vapid parcel
also yk zag keeps commenting that "they must have lots of these upon olympus" when theres a huge pomegranate tree in his home
vapid parcel
agshfhfjh
flint wing
when persephone ate those pomegranate seeds the reason she has to stay three months, in myth, is that the seeds are plastic and won't digest