#h1-story-discussion
honest coral
lunar axle
Cerberus is kinda the most famous guardian of Hades
Reading up on it, he's on the entrance, so he could be very well the final boss
echo wigeon
Cerby will be the final boss before you get out... and then you'll have to fight Hades himself, as he will not allow you to leave.
He keeps telling you that you will not leave... he's not going to just let you defy him if he thinks you can actually do it.
runic terrace
having to fight hades..........H
how will i be able to fight hades when i cant see the screen thru my tears
grim oracle
this might be a silly belief but I don't actually expect this game to have a particularly tragic ending
runic terrace
oh same but i do think a hades fight gonna be a real stab in the emotions anyway
grim oracle
supergiant games so far are usually quite tonally consistent, and Hades has a fairly upbeat and adventurous attitude to it all things considered
runic terrace
im almost like counting on hades to have an uplifting ending
echo wigeon
Yeah, and Hades is a grumble bumble
grim oracle
i want our boy zagreus to triumph over the impossible
echo wigeon
Dusa is a cutey though
restive elk
AND THEN A SUDDEN BRICKWALL OF FEELS AND TRAGEDY
runic terrace
like if it ends sad ill be disapointed very much bc of how much ive thrown in my emotional lot with zag being able to make it
grim oracle
that would be pretty greek though, so
echo wigeon
@grim oracle Yeah, and I want him to peirce the heavens
runic terrace
tbh tbh heres my prediction: olympus is the halfway point.
you have to go somewhere else after that, and fight those who gave you boons in the first half
grim oracle
apparently this server has no search results for "Kamina" which I find shockingly hard to believe considering Zagreus's design but it is what it is
restive elk
My serious theory is that Zag will not be able to be on a surface for a long time, with all that drakness inside him
runic terrace
oh interesting!!
echo wigeon
I'm under the impression Hades will be the final boss. They may later release DLC/secret Titan bosses.
restive elk
Titans, as cool it can be... they are kiiinda in the opposite direction we are going in the game
NO
NONONONONON
That's some Kratos level things.
echo wigeon
What part of "Super GIANT" didn't make sense here?
chrome stratus
Meg and Zag just give off old EXs vibes. One of the lines she has when you give her Ambrosia is her saying that no matter how many gifts Zag gives her it'll never make things go back to how they used to be. That they were younger at that time, and now they were old. To which Zag counters that hopefully they'll wiser as well.
Fighting the Olympians would indeed be interesting, but I feel that would ultimately take away from the game's theme.
Also, what role do people feel Demeter will play? She's the mother of Persephone, Zag's own grandmother, and straight away the person Persephone would be with if not with Hades.
lunar axle
And Demeter is his aunt
chrome stratus
But Demeter is seriously important
When Hades kidnaped Persephone, Demeter starved the entire world by preventing any plants from growing. She finally stopped when Persephone was returned to her, but because Persephone ate a pom, she was forced to stay in the Underworld with Hades. This is how the seasons were made with Winter being the time Persephone is in the Underworld and Demeter is grieving and Summer being when they are united and plants are blooming. I'm curious on how they're going to adapt this relationship.
lunar axle
With persefone apparently not in Olympus
Then following the myth of summer and winter, then the human world is in desolation right now
I know we are missing half of the main Olympians
Kinda want to see Hera behaving, with Zag not being a bastard of Zeus for once
restive elk
Trying to make a coherent timeline with all these myths is no go for me
dense fox
Cerberus really did a number on the riverbanks
restive elk
It was kinda hinted in the Meg's dialog about other Furies
pale nest
A war usually wouldn’t destroy the underworld tho
restive elk
I dont honestly think that it was a dectruction. More like perception of underworld within humans changed over the course of some events and that is the reason.
I'm kinda sitting on a warhammer lore with Warp on that one.
grizzled grail
What's gonna be the next boss after hydra
runic terrace
hydra.......TWO
grizzled grail
Btw how many chapter will we have to go before reaching the surface? (More than 2?)
runic terrace
oh no idea
grizzled grail
And is it just me or hydra is more easy than furry
restive elk
Megan has a lot of polish on her... Hydra dont...
runic terrace
jokes aside i think it depends on your playstyle and boons
grizzled grail
But hydra i beat it first time
runic terrace
oh sweet!!
chrome stratus
What build did you have?
grizzled grail
Shield with weakness charm
And the arror throwing thing
I think shield is best weapon
Who's the green god?
grizzled grail
The one with the arrow
chrome stratus
Artemis
grizzled grail
I mean bow
Yeah
Her dash and thorwing thing are op
So is the love god weakness defuff
chrome stratus
Her dash yes. It's one of the strongest boons in game.
Just try it with Triple shot bow
That's where the real damage is at.
But stacking defense buffs with Shield is equally as strong
grizzled grail
But bow need charging
chrome stratus
Dashing reduces charge time
grizzled grail
But the aiming is weird
chrome stratus
And then triple shot gives you 3 attacks in one if you're close enough
grizzled grail
You only got 8 direct direction
chrome stratus
Controller?
chrome stratus
No, but you don't need to especially with multiple dashes
grizzled grail
Hard to aim
chrome stratus
You just get used to it.
grizzled grail
Shield provide a lots of stuff
Range Q
CC auto
Charge nice damage
It have a lot to offer than others
Honestly i like to use bow in a lot of games but not in hades
chrome stratus
Don't be so quick to cast judgement on the others
grizzled grail
It's not good enough to compare when compare to others
I guess that's why it doesn't cost much
Btw the honey bottle
I gave it to everyone
bleak osprey
....the bow is the only weapon i've killed the hydra with
chrome stratus
Ambrosia
grizzled grail
But the glass locker still have hidden stuffs
bleak osprey
if you can't use it well that's on you, buddy
grizzled grail
How do i get them
chrome stratus
Also if you're still in doubt, here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGZkrpoFulQ
You give ambrosia to different people
Each one have their own keepsake
chrome stratus
Because Dad's a prick
grizzled grail
I got everyone keepsake except for dad idk why i can't give him more than 1 bottle
But there are still more hidden
chrome stratus
Before you accept their boon
grizzled grail
Pretty sure it's them left
chrome stratus
It'll give you a choice to give them Ambrosia
chrome stratus
Then you didn't have Ambrosia then
And you have to do it before you get the blessing
chrome stratus
Press G before
lime yoke
you also can't gift to the boons in Charon's shop and in trials
chrome stratus
Ah didn't think of that
lime yoke
room when you get two boon option and it makes you think they'll make you choose but nah its just the trial xD
lime yoke
you pick one then have to fight upgraded enemies to get the other one
grizzled grail
2 in 1
lime yoke
yeah. so you cant gift ambrosia there
grizzled grail
The choices doesn't matter anyway
lime yoke
and yeah, Charon isnt very talkative xD
grizzled grail
And btw it say reputation with that god is decress or something when i pick the other one
Does that affect anything?
lime yoke
you get to choose whose upgrades you dont want enemies to get xD
restive elk
What are you saying Charon is hilarious worth every ambrosia
lime yoke
i mean, he's a mood
on the trials, when you pick one boon, the other god upgrades enemies with their abilities
grizzled grail
About the reputation thing how does it affect you?
lime yoke
nah it's just for one room and then they forgive you
grizzled grail
So it mean notthing?
It's good at least
Better than hidden negative stats
Btw will they add more upgrades to the mirror?
lime yoke
it might still change along the way. but for now this is how it works
we dont know
again, early access, it's been out for like a month xD a lot of stuff can change
grizzled grail
anyone why orpheus is a guy but sound shireking?
and how do i access the 2 lock room on the left of the hall? (dad room and someone room)
primal flame
you know what an Eunuch is?
primal flame
isn't that the case?
visual laurel
...no?
visual laurel
like, it might've been (i've never heard of it, though some imperial courts had eunuchs in other civilizations) but why would you assume that applies to orpheus??
grizzled grail
what's eunuch?
primal flame
I thought that was the case with him, that's all
visual laurel
i'm like, pretty sure he just has a high voice
just the choice sgg made for that voice casting
primal flame
hmmm, ok, my bad
visual laurel
i don't think it's implying anything
@grizzled grail google it
if you're like, really curious you can always ask sgg why they chose that vocal direction
grizzled grail
...
primal flame
was it a thing in Rome then? I was so certain that it was in ancient Greece
visual laurel
sorry, that wasn't meant to be rude, it's just not really a discussion for this server
grizzled grail
i gregreted it
grim oracle
LOL
wet smelt
visual laurel
oh i hadn't even thought of the heroic tenor, but ur right
i guess i always just thought it gave him a kind of wispy, half-there sound
like a traditional ghost, you know
ooooooOOOoooo >👻
visual laurel
don't look baaaack~ >👻
primal flame
aaaaaah 
bleak osprey
is someone calling orpheus names bc imma fight 🔪
runic terrace
naahhh dw i think its been taken care of
the name were calling him....is orpheus hfhjfj
primal flame
Orpheus is... a good singer 
tidal crown
I'd say he's the definition of a starving artist.... But he's kinda dead.... So....
primal flame
He's a starved artist 
tidal crown
Yeah that
carmine flower
Theory I guess??? Am I the only one who thinks the two locked doors are Melinoe and Macaria's rooms? Like I know there hasn't been mention of them yet, but if Hades lied about his mom, I don't see why he wouldn't lie about two older sisters. Then again, they might just not add the sisters. It'd be neat if they did though.
carmine flower
Is there a boss for asphodel yet or is it meg again?
I havent reached asphodel and idc about spoilers
carmine flower
nice
stark tulip
I thought it was to make him sound mouselike, like his personality
vale crypt
@carmine flower one of rooms is Hades’ private quarters - Achilles guards it
The other I guess is Zag’s mom’s
vale crypt
Yeah, I just want more characters from Greek mythology
carmine flower
Macaria is too
runic terrace
alucard u sound very certain
carmine flower
Me same
vale crypt
about Hades’ room?
runic terrace
Yeah
what if u open a door and patroclus was there the entire time hes just been locked in
carmine flower
OMG
vale crypt
yeah, well, in flashback we were heading there to rummage through it and we ask Achilles to let us in dad’s room to do it again to which he says he can’t as his duty comes first
carmine flower
please
runic terrace
all the rooms ar e, technically, "dads rooms"
vale crypt
and he says that Pat is lost to him 
if he is locked in Hades’ bedroom...
runic terrace
JUST STAY IN THERE MAN I NEED MY GUARD ALERT NOT SNEAKING OFF ON DATES
HSJDJCN NOBKDY OPEN THE DOOR OR LISTEN TO THE FAINT ACHILLES ITS ME PATROCLUS NOISES
tardy cedar
what if pat is hiding under zag's bed
runic terrace
hdjdjfnfjdjfmfj
tardy cedar
that's why you can't relax, it would give it away
runic terrace
DUSAS BEEN SNEAKING HIM FOOD
tardy cedar
what if pat is giving dusa relationship advice
runic terrace
omg
spring scaffold
You open the door and it's actually a doorway straight to Olympus.
vale crypt
Dusa and Cerberus
tardy cedar
you open the door and your computer opens Bastion
runic terrace
JZNCMXKFKFKFKCKVJF
jaunty bridge
what kinda undertale mumbo jumbo is this
tardy cedar
new headcanon: Bastion is a dream Zag had once
spring scaffold
You open the door and your computer grows a moustache.
restive elk
All that talk made me want to play bastion >_>
spring scaffold
Glorious Hades moustache.
runic terrace
you open the door and its the shimmerpool
vale crypt
ohmygod
I know how game ends
We climb up to the surface and it’s winter
Persy is back in Tartarus, go back the way you came
runic terrace
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
restive elk
WOW
tardy cedar
you get to the surface and then the world turns upside down
restive elk
That's a spicy prank if i've seen one
runic terrace
i feel like an sgg staple is "the games ov-wait no its not!!!"
vale crypt
this time dad is final boss tho
tardy cedar
who is the old man
runic terrace
i dont know but i support him
restive elk
I think we will se an old man in 3rd zone just sitting in a room with intercom
runic terrace
YES
restive elk
"I told you to be silent!"
runic terrace
PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN
jaunty bridge
iousahdgfouiaahsdogh
tardy cedar
but like, the old man and zag actively talk to each other
jaunty bridge
the wizard of ozagreus
runic terrace
YES
vale crypt
Ares’ son from GoW Ascension
tardy cedar
what if it's hades thou
cause i mean
certain interactions i've seen make me think hades is actually proud of what zag is doing
vale crypt
I honestly want to see Thanatos
Hades is cool and all but he is god of dead not death
Thanatos is
jaunty bridge
well there is that one line that implies that hades himself tried to get out of the underworld
tardy cedar
i've heard theories it's the god of time
amber canyon
Yeah the storyteller is almost certainly someone we dont know yet
tardy cedar
it could be old zag
vale crypt
Hm... actually this could lead us somewhere
Chronos (Hades and bros father) was king of titans and god of time
what if he supports/watches Zag and waits for him to find way out of Tartarus so that he can also get out
carmine flower
It could be tartarus. In the Greek myths tartarus is a god
Kind of like how Gaea is a goddess
Just got...people on him
vale crypt
Standing on three titans
carmine flower
Lion turtle lion turtle
tardy cedar
Wait, are we in Discworld?
vale crypt
Long ago three brothers lived in peace
carmine flower
Tartarus is being laid on by Gaea and ouranus is laying on her
vale crypt
But everything changed when Zeus banged Persy
tardy cedar
what if this is all just a ruse and nyx is actually zag's mom
vale crypt
Yeah
carmine flower
Something went wrong with the paternity and maternity tests
Jerry springer is confused
jaunty bridge
that is a name i haven't heard in years
tardy cedar
i could somewhat see persy being behind a locked door
i could also see hades testing zag for whatever reason
amber canyon
There are 2 versions
One where Zeus is, one where Hades is
Basically, families in greek myth are so, uh, wild, that it gets hard keeping track
carmine flower
And one where zagreus is a weird reflection of dionysius
So the game Hades but if Zagreus was an alcoholic
tardy cedar
ok lets say
zeus is the father
that doesn't make a lot of sense, actually
as zag has a level of fire/heat resistance
amber canyon
And Darkness as a source of power
tardy cedar
persy never was really associated with that
the darkness part could have come as a sort of boon from Nyx
vale crypt
Well in myths Hades was never really associated with it either until he lost a bet to his brothers and got underworld to rule
So it can be acquirable
tardy cedar
maybe Hades just really misses Persy and doesn't want Zag to leave, too
but doesn't know how to tell him that
tardy cedar
hm
here's an interesting thought
what if Hades knows about Zag pilfering his stuff
jaunty bridge
I-its not like I don't want you to leave the underworld, b-baka
carmine flower
And he doesn't want his son to leave
tardy cedar
unless there was already a direct confrontation, i forget
carmine flower
And if zag DOES have sisters, that would mean hades was triple abandoned
amber canyon
I mean, technically meg is his half-sister
And he has 2 proper brothers, Hypnos and Thanatos
Hypnos we already see, Thanatos is probably out there, working
carmine flower
I think the game was trying to touch the incest as light as possible lol
Aphrodite and Ares haven't mentioned each other at all which I found surprising cause in the myths they get busy
Playing twister and what not
amber canyon
I mean lets be real here, Aphrodite gets around
vale crypt
Hephaestus should also appear then
That reminds me
Why are we even getting Hammer power up? Coulda swap it for Heph and leave mechanic without changes
amber canyon
I really hope he has a tick where he says "Hephaesthus spoke ..."
carmine flower
Hephaestus is said to be horribly mutilated so maybe they're still figuring out his design and personality?
vale crypt
Don’t remember about horribly
Think he had one leg twisted and shorter than other
Ultimate bad ending
Go through whole underworld, climb up to the top, beat down Thanatos who guards entrance in place of Cerb
As instant death is not guarding exit and all guards throughout underworld are down, Chronos and co escape into real world
It was never gods you were communicating with - just them in disguise and Nyx was cooperating with them
OR your brethren are just too dumb and they didn’t realize the dangers your escape may pose - they just wanted to “win” against Hades
You doomed the world
The End (?)
Ofc not - now go through parts of real world up till Olympus, slaying titans
And then, after all is done and you sent them all back down to Tartarus, you finally see your mother and... its first minute of winter - she teleports to Court of Hades
You got a long ride back down in front of you
unkempt locust
Still not over losing a run where I had Athena's legendary of a protective barrier (that stopped one run)
I'm in that idiot moment when you prioritize bug reporting over hearing Orpheus' song for the first time
I love it. I want the full instrumental portion. Anyone know where I can find it?
bleak osprey
tis not, it seems
earnest mesa
should also be on the sg youtube channel
bleak osprey
yeah but it's the instrumental devildragon was after
neat crow
I wouldn't be surprised if we had to confront Cerberus 
at some point, but I don't think we'll have to fight 
visual laurel
tutor / mentor and seems to be a guard of some sort too
runic terrace
comfort man
spiral saddle
if it was to guard the house wouldnt you see him when leaving
neat crow
His job is to train you, and he has some deal with Hades
runic terrace
HGFHJFHJ YEAH! IM RIGHT
hades: so im hiring you to be a guard
hades: who changed the text in the contract to say comfort man
spiral saddle
if the boss isnt achillies for Elysium what would it be
runic terrace
patroclus
runic terrace
AAAA YOU FIGHT HIM AND HE SHOWS UP IN THE HOUSE
visual laurel
it's from the files, not inappropriate gkdfjd
but uhhh i think the reason you don't bump into achilles on the way out of the house is because he. lets you go
visual laurel
just like he theoretically provides you with weapons
he implied he provided the weapons.
spiral saddle
true
carmine flower
Listen if our dad will make us fight our ex he'll make us fight our crush
It's not below him
spiral saddle
yea
wise epoch
whos our ex
visual laurel
meg
runic terrace
meg
wise epoch
the hydra?
carmine flower
Meg.
wise epoch
oh
carmine flower
I wish i could date the hydra
runic terrace
COULD YOU IMAGINE
spiral saddle
thats why i said it be interesting to see how far hades will go to stop zag
carmine flower
dream woman
visual laurel
no silly the hydra is hercules' ex
it ended badly.
carmine flower
g9SUIVBEFL;K'G
runic terrace
ghjfhgfchjgfchjfchj
carmine flower
Im too GAY
neat crow
If you want to date Hydra, please 👍 my feedback on this topic
spiral saddle
geez what has this become
runic terrace
the hydra is gona be datable in next patch
wise epoch
next update removes all gameplay and turns hades into a hydra dating sim
neat crow
Yes please
bleak osprey
more heads just means more to kiss
neat crow
Hey now, let's keep it clean in here, sparrow 
neat crow
No kissing, no 
carmine flower
scandalous
spiral saddle
i want to get back to discussing but i want to see how much farther this wiil go
visual laurel
no we should get back to discussing gkjdfgdf
neat crow
Oh no, Akai, you really don't 
visual laurel
but not dis cussing, that's not allowed
runic terrace
visual laurel
visual laurel
we're all thirsty but we know to keep it on the down low uvu
runic terrace
do you think sgg cares for whomst we thirst
spiral saddle
what if as a last try to stop zag hades fights him
neat crow
I think they tailored them specifically to be thirsted
visual laurel
hmhmmm i can't see him leaving his desk that long tbh
he's got too much paperwork
and he has infinite minions
spiral saddle
but that isnt working
runic terrace
me, crawling across modchat as if a desert: s......sisyphus.....route..............romance...........please................................
sgg: possibly!
carmine flower
Yall: Tryna get back on track
Me: Okay but like what if.........meg kicked me in the chest and then held me
My priorities? Straight
runic terrace
asmr meg beats you up and then drives you to the hospital
carmine flower
Me? Not
bleak osprey
💖 
💖
visual laurel
mood sparrow
carmine flower
I'd love to date achilles too
spiral saddle
can we please get back on track
visual laurel
also mood geengis
runic terrace
likes charge reblogs cast
visual laurel
but yes
carmine flower
So he can tell me about patroclus
neat crow
Ok, yes. Train. Rails. Go
carmine flower
Song of achilles is such a good book
visual laurel
#off-topic-discussion for song of achilles
bleak osprey
carmine flower
Its referenced in the game but i got you
runic terrace
i want zag to matchmaker achilles and patroclus together. just some hijinks
visual laurel
also wight it's fine to talk about characters we like, that's not off-topic lol
neat crow
I have so many theories about where the game could go, end-game-wise
visual laurel
ooo 👀
neat crow
I didn't say it was off topic, did I?
carmine flower
If we meet Patroclus's shade I'd cry
neat crow
No, I was responding to Akai who wanted to get back to discussing future bosses
carmine flower
Zag: So YOURE the reason eh dumped me like hot garbage cool
visual laurel
ah, sorry
spiral saddle
...
bleak osprey
"at least let me pass on a message, he's miserable and i hate it"
neat crow
I've said some of my theories before, but my original guess was we'd end up fighting the Olympian gods. I'm not so sure about that anymore, but I feel it's not outside the realm of possibility
visual laurel
🤔
visual laurel
there are several main olympians still missing
spiral saddle
hephestus is basicaly the daedalus
visual laurel
apollo, demeter, hera
carmine flower
If we could basically play cupid/hermes for Achilles and Patroclus that'd be cute
sending messages back and forth as you die
spiral saddle
demeter is persephone's mom so that could be story
neat crow
There's also the Hermes-sent-to-retrieve-Persephone line of inquiry
spiral saddle
hera is the goddess of hearth and home so what would that boon be towards?
dionisus is drunk so no
carmine flower
Hestia, not Hera
neat crow
And my crackpot theory that I mentioned the other day about the letter from Persephone not being written by her, because it didn't mention Zag. Cover-up by Olympians who didn't know about his existence?
carmine flower
Hestia is the goddess of hearth and home
Hera is the goddess of marriage, womanhood, and being The Worst
spiral saddle
the gods dont know that persephone had zag
bleak osprey
ares would praise you for fighting hin
spiral saddle
they think nyx is his mother so he is a "lesser god"
carmine flower
As for Dionysius I think that if he had any boons he could inflict 'drunkness'
spiral saddle
to them that is
carmine flower
Or! We could go with the madness route
spiral saddle
true
carmine flower
Since he is the god of insanity
digital crag
nature things too
carmine flower
Its not his 'main' thing its just what he's most known for
digital crag
general partying
inflicting confusion status on enemies would make sense for dionysus boons
carmine flower
Zeus is most known for being a thunder god but he's also a god of hospitality but zeus aint thrown me no house party
Where Is This Content
digital crag
music, prophecy, and healing too
spiral saddle
that could be broken if not balanced really well
carmine flower
But health is supposed to be a small commodity
digital crag
he's the god of a lot of stuff
carmine flower
Maybe temporary hit points that last for a small while?
spiral saddle
basically a hp shield??
carmine flower
Yeah!
spiral saddle
thata seems to be more an athena thing
carmine flower
Music, prophecy and light are also things he does but I don't know how it would be applied like, mechanically
spiral saddle
since her legendary is literally immunity
carmine flower
For music I think knock back but we have poseidon
Ah, got it
Prophecy uh. Isn't applicable I dont think
Maybe light can stun targets?
spiral saddle
possibly
digital crag
music could also tie into an HP shield concept like it.... buffs you with inspiration or whatever
bard stuff
digital crag
okay maybe like..... orpheus's trinket taken to the extreme, focused on sniping and long distance damage?
carmine flower
Ooo!
spiral saddle
then why use orpheus trinket
carmine flower
Fair
spiral saddle
it would make it obsolete, and in a rouge lite like this you need to hyper focus on balance
digital crag
idk orpheus is thematically related to apollo so that's why i proposed it
but it sounds like it'd be hard to balance
spiral saddle
supergiant could just stop with the 6
digital crag
boons that increase range
spiral saddle
they covered a lot and it would be hard to balance that much more
the increased range would be range buff with spear on everything
neat crow
That being said, there's still a lot of content yet to be released
neat crow
I feel like it's going to be hard to gauge where the end-point to new characters/mechanics will be since this is only the first release we're working with. I kind of expect things to still change quite a bit until at least halfway through EA
spiral saddle
arent they aiming for a summer release?
neat crow
And they've said there should be major updates approximately every month as well
spiral saddle
thats a good pace
neat crow
So we've got a huge amount of content ahead of us
spiral saddle
yea
neat crow
I wouldn't be surprised if some characters/mechanics can only be obtained by reaching certain milestones in a given run
Rather than having them all available from the start like the are now
neat crow
I kind of suspect he knows and that's half the reason he's so salty?
dense barn
i feel like the last boss will be hades/Cerberus most likely cerberus i remember it was sad some of the times it talkes to you cuz eventually it will have to kill you
neat crow
I would be surprised if was the last boss, but a boss at some point seems likely
dense barn
yeah maybe not the last boss you are right
spiral saddle
but he does guard the gates of hell
frozen jolt
I don’t remember that line, do you have a screenshot or anything?
spiral saddle
in actual mythology
frozen jolt
I’m talking to adiga, sorry
spiral saddle
oh
dense barn
nah maybe on another play threw if i see it ill screenshot it
neat crow
I took what ADIGA said as inference, but maybe there is an actual line? I don't recall either
dense barn
yeah thats the one
maybe just nothing or he is sad that hell have to kill when you get to him
frozen jolt
oh
hades does say he gets sad when zag leaves, to the point where he wrecks the lounge
and there’s that line about the three heads greeting zag with a range of emotion from joy to melancholy
dense barn
on one hand a dog thats sad its master it gone or that it has to kill its master well just have to wait and see
frozen jolt
but I took it as him missing zag until he comes back, so that being because he knows he will have to kill him is an interesting interpretation
restive elk
Well About cerberus there is that Run starting bit with :" He is a guardian, not a toy to mess with" , and Zag answering "I'm not staying, not even for him"
neat crow
There is always the option of somehow convincing Orpheus to put Cerberus to sleep (again)
visual laurel
i thought that was hypnos?
neat crow
I thought it was Orpheus with his song that put him to sleep
I could be mistaken though
restive elk
There is indeed, but in the end... Does anybody know are there animal protection services in ancient Greece?
neat crow
Unless you're talking about the in-game event
In which case yes, that was Hypnos
I'm just talking about in the mythology, I apologize for not clarifying from the start
visual laurel
oooh ok
restive elk
We will need to reaaaaaly spice it up for Orph, to pull it a second time with you know his muse lost and all
neat crow
Hush now, we all know 
is Orpheus' new muse
runic terrace
go on 👀
neat crow
I'm trying to find where I read about Orpheus and Cerberus and possible sleep, but I'm also trying to get other work done. This is the worst
Well, I mean, it seems apparent in the game with the dialog after you get Orpheus to sing again
Let your imagination be freeeeee
runic terrace
ohhhhhhh id thot u had like a whole thing prepared for it jgjgjk
slam the papers down on the table now lets spread the good word- style
neat crow
Oh, no, I'm not really a shipwright, sorry 
I can't step to you all with your ships and stories
So this doesn't list sources, but I did find this
Another who got past was Orpheus, a musician. He played the lyre, a kind of harp. When his wife, Eurydice, died, he went to Hades to get her back. He played his lyre with such grace and skill that it lulled Cerberus to sleep
So at least I know I'm not entirely imagining it
visual laurel
ok idk where you got this tidbit but it reminds me of those marvel/dc comics educational books that were supposed to teach reading but just ended up being really hilarious
the one that was like "the joker took 17 pies. that's a lot of pies. and that's terrible." or whatever gkjhfgh
But yeah I could see that, once you get orpheus to play again
neat crow
Like I said, no sources on that little bit there. But regardless of the veracity, Orpheus did either pacify or lull into sleep Cerberus to get past, and used his music to do so
I guess it depends on how much SGG wants to make us murderize our beloved
visual laurel
yeah, i wouldn't put it past orpheus; he was good enough on that lyre to outplay sirens, too
unkempt locust
@neat crow I think I've seen this on Ted-Ed video regarding Orpheus and Eurydice
echo wigeon
Everyone knows Orpheus was a known lyre. You couldn't trust him if you were in earshot.
neat crow
I appreciate you, Inx
echo wigeon
What if the end of Hades is him being drugged / ambused and he loses his memory... over the ages begins to look different due to no longer being in the underworld... and it eventually is him at the start of Bastion?
dense fox
I mean, I'm no expert but if Zag can come back by the blood pool and so can Meg, and Cerberus is or was a guardian, I see no reason why he can't come back from us killing him
still gonna be a sore reception if we die after that though
jaunty bridge
Finally beat the hydra!! And convincingly too, had multiple death defiances left
The dialogue with Hades afterwords is great
primal flame
Zag: "You cheated!" Hades: "YoU cHeaTeD!" 
lunar axle
I'm just waiting for super smash giant after the next game
echo wigeon
So like...
I just imagined I died
and there I was, BACK AT THE HOUSE!
and then that old man told me I had to wait... and he told Zag he had to wait...
and, in proper style, he didn't adress me during this exchange... and yet it was directed at me... and maybe you too
silk fern
vale crypt
Zagreus for Super Smash Bros Ultimate DLC 2
With his announcement stating “Zagreus gets out of Hell”
scenic comet
Or "Zagreus is here for a Hell of a time!"
vale crypt
And DLC 3 is Kratos 
lunar axle
If any supergiant character makes it, chance is the kid or red
bleak osprey
oh man oh man oh man
primal flame
Mother Night
dry sundial
amazing!!!!!
vale crypt
Someone call S.E.E.S. and Door-kun
zenith hedge
Any idea what the Aphrodite wallpaper does? I remember it said something about dying? Is it suppose to do something, or is it just there as décor?
bleak osprey
just decor!
runic terrace
its just pretty
zenith hedge
I see! alright!
chrome stratus
I finally got Orpheus to sing!
neat crow
Huzzah!
neat crow
Did you do the only appropriate thing and just sit there while the entire song and then the entire instrumental version played out?
chrome stratus
Of course
It reminded me of the old days before Youtube
When you would just keep the game open to just listen to the music
The minutes on end I would just sit just listening to the Hymn of Fayth in FFX; it was that kind of moment
Now to put it on loop while I go dungeon crawling again
echo wigeon
Spoiler alert... After Z gets out of Hell he has to travel Snakes Way
jaunty bridge
echo wigeon
Where does that come from, Dan
jaunty bridge
the emote? random server i'm in
echo wigeon
Where does it go?
jaunty bridge
is this an elaborate excuse to sing cotton eye joe?
echo wigeon
Well, if not for cotton eye joe, I'd been married a long time ago
jaunty bridge
SIGH
echo wigeon
Seriously though... Z's gotta get outta hell and then travel snake way
vale crypt
Should we expect two german ogres-wrestlers before we get to it?
amber canyon
No thats if he were escaping HFIL
vale crypt
Janemba - Hypnos
Snake Princess - Dusa
tardy cedar
dusa is just a princess
echo wigeon
Dusa is queen
arctic iris
So who is the closest to 100% the codex?
frozen jolt
Probably @crisp basin (sorry for the @ If you’re still streaming)
willow ivy
I thought Frosthaven finished a few days ago
frozen jolt
oh, cool!
I can’t imagine doing more than a thousand runs honestly hahaha I’m still at around 70
frozen jolt
well, you can, after 1000 runs 😅
sudden wharf
@crisp basin i take that as a challenge
crisp basin
late nacelle
It'd be nice if the numbers were only the amount of 'new' conversations
Cus idk how Zag learns stuff about someone from the same line lmaooo
sudden wharf
Probs just an early access thing
late nacelle
We should become the Hades myth busters lel
atomic forge
I think thats what #h1-builds-and-combat is eventually gonna become
They helped with a lot of numbers stuff while I was putting together wiki stuff
late nacelle
Is the wiki up to date atm?
atomic forge
should be
we're still missing a few pages like tarterus and stuff
but everything important is on there
late nacelle
Ayyy guess who just completed the hydra codex
tardy cedar
likely you
echo wigeon
Hades didn't want me to apply bottles of butter to his manly stache
Zeus'll let ya do it a bit though
tardy cedar
wait so do the gods just straight up drink butter?
lunar kiln
do the gods do what now
faint socket
why are we talking about butter
tardy cedar
blame inx
faint socket
are you saying ambrosia is butter
lunar kiln
churning butter to make friends
tardy cedar
just saying what inx said
faint socket
omg
onyx spoke
so has anyone predicted what the silhouette on the update teaser is
I'm going to take a wild guess and say apollo because of the halo-looking thing
tardy cedar
but he has wings
faint socket
i think we agreed in #h1-discussion it's definitely batman
tardy cedar
you are batman
frozen jolt
h
hold on
i know it says jan 15 and i know thats when the update is
but i looked at it again properly now by opening it in my browser and the filename says jan 19 kfdjhgkdjhfk
frozen jolt
oh that makes sense
tardy cedar
dw i cant read so its ok that you messed up
frozen jolt
i wouldnt say i messed up hahaha it just didnt click
tardy cedar
you clicked the file though :^) I'll stop
chrome stratus
While Orpheus' Lament obviously is about him, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to apply it to Zagerus as well. Particularly the "don't look back" part. In leaving the Underworld to find his mother, Zag is leaving the only home he's ever known...as well as all of his friends. By the time we get to the exit, we'll have shared many a bottle of Ambrosia with everybody and forging bonds with them, but in the end, Zagerus has to leave them. He can't have any room for regrets. He can't look back; otherwise, he'll fall back into the Underworld.
pale nest
The solution is to bring Cerby with him
dense fox
False secret unlock: to unlock Hade's Cellers you have to give Hades 100 Ambrosia so he gets well drunk, then convince him letting you into the cellers is a good idea. Now you can distribute the good stuff to all your friends and the house gets more cheerful
vale crypt
It’s a secret ending too
Once everyone is drunk and asleep you leisurely walk out of hell
dense fox
You know, all kidding aside, it would be kinda cool to have a few alternate or gag endings where we trick ourselves out of hell somehow by doing some tricky stuff like that
Just like in legends
bleak osprey
i was gonna say, "get everyone drunk so you can leave" sounds like it should be the ending so an actual greek myth
dense fox
And unlocking that gag ending of getting everyone drunk so you can escape unlocks Hade's Cellers in the main game, which is a area where you can buy drink based buffs for future runs
vale crypt
@bleak osprey Dionysus path 
bleak osprey
i mean, zagreus is associated with dionysus in some texts
vale crypt
yep
bleak osprey
listen if/when dionysus makes his appearance i really want him to have horns
vale crypt
So he could pop them off and use for drinking?)
bleak osprey
no i just think it'd look cool
vale crypt
Dionysus’ weapon - wine jar
Equipping it gives you Drunken Fist
bleak osprey
hooooooorns
dense fox
Turns out Dionyus is actualy locked up in the wine celler
Because he visited Hades one time to give him some drink and Hades was like "I ain't ,letting a wine maker this good out"
And that is why there is animosity between him and the gods
vale crypt
do you think that there will be any wine left in that case?)
dense fox
There better be unless he wants Hades to call in the three furies for another lashing
spring scaffold
It's not the Furies he's afraid of.
It's Dusa.
She'd make him feel the pain if he dared empty the Master's alcohol stores.
vale crypt
nah, no one fears Dusa
she is too innocent
vale crypt
That emote kinda undermines your statement 
willow ivy
“The times when Prince Zagreus offers to help with her duties are when she bares her fangs”
bleak osprey
(minor correction but if you're quoting the codex then it's achilles who offers to help her)
bleak osprey
the code is written by achilles, so the entries are all from his point of view
restive elk
Yaaaasss Queeeen BARE THEM
bleak osprey
I sometimes try to offer my assistance, although it is here the little gorgon bares her fangs, refusing any help.
restive elk
I dont know why I said that
willow ivy
It’s fine, we can bear it
vale crypt
I imagined Makoto baring her teeth 
willow ivy
I was always reading the codex as though it was Zag’s point of view
Completely forgot Achilles wrote it
restive elk
It's a bit confusing... Achilles started it, Zag filling it up but all that we fill in is from Achill's perspective? Waaat?
lime yoke
every visit in Asphodel helps dry the soggy codex so Zag can finally figure out the rest of the words
the codex was wet from Achilles' tears
bam
this isnt a game Wight i just made myself sad
it wasnt worth it
neat crow
The game is life, and it's played with all challenge modifiers equipped
digital crag
book of rites: the pages only reveal themselves to you as you become enlightened enough. bam, in universe explanation
codex:
spring scaffold
Want some... enlightenment?
restive elk
Then Why that sly fox gave it to us to COMPLETE it, if HE WROTE IT ALL HIMSELF? Headsplitting inconsistency. I just want to scream...
OBJECTION!!!
digital crag
he's updating it live as you go
hey zag's been talking to dusa a lot. *adds one sentence on dusa*
faint socket
hades: orpheus you need to find your voice IMMEDIATELY
also hades: ..........you have 100 years
tardy cedar
it's all relative
neat crow
It's all about perspective
tardy cedar
for all we know Hades takes place 3000 years in the future
neat crow
It's apparent that nobody knows what time it is in the House of Hades anyway
runic terrace
hades: orpheus sing for us
orpheus: no
zag: i can sing
hades: i know, boy
zag: im also a darren
hades: i know, boy
faint socket
hades: OH WOULD YOU LOOK AT THE TIME IT'S
watch: hands spin wildly in both directions
faint socket
after all, 100 years is immediately
faint socket
fdvkjhfkjldkfgd yes
digital crag
skelly n zag duet
runic terrace
SKELLY CHARACTER SONG
digital crag
m
digital crag
me
neat crow
I hear 
's songs have ... a sick beat
digital crag
mmmmm
runic terrace
heaaar, boyoooo, my desperate plea
to have those weapons decimate me
tardy cedar
quick someone write an actual song
digital crag
mmmmmmmmmmmmbad time
neat crow
Skelly is clearly a beatboxer
faint socket
i could see skelly showing up where zag least expects it playing harmonica like he's in jail or something
runic terrace
omg
faint socket
"ey there boyo"
neat crow
That would be incredible
Like in one of the interstitial areas between zones
Or some secret passage that SGG hopefully adds into the game
Clearly it is unlocked with a Skeleton Key
faint socket
it costs 100 keys and when you open it up it's just a jail cell that skelly could've realistically left at any time
tardy cedar
what if its literally just sans
faint socket
i'm gonna have to stop you right there
faint socket
say hi to sans for me
faint socket
"no escape" but "sans." is overlayed on it
bleak osprey
faint socket
hjkfsdjhkfdshjkdfas
neat crow
Skeletor felt more appropriate as a reaction than ¯_(ツ)_/¯
runic terrace
you dirty numbskull killer
dense fox
Skelly is the true final boss
left pelican
Top down sans bossfight bullet hell? Sign me up
neat crow
If you fight with you're gonna be boned
left pelican
Honestly I would love an easter egg if you kill him 2-3 times in the practice room he goes Cucoo (Legend of zelda) on you and summons an army of skellys on your booty
neat crow
That would be funny, but also punishing for new players if it was that low
Maybe if it's like 20 times in a row without exiting the room
left pelican
I mean you could either flee to your room to reset him or start your run, you can't really be punished
neat crow
Fair enough, I guess there's no real loss
left pelican
I mean so far I haven't killed him more than once
dense fox
I'd say 7. too high to happen at random, low enough to go for it
heady stream
hmm okay any tips for the hydra?
left pelican
think you should write in gameplay 😄
sleek cape
?
heady stream
i figured i should put it in spoilers, since this is a boss, but ok thats fair
sleek cape
have you beaten the hydra?
heady stream
no i havent
neat crow
Spoilers are ok in gameplay
heady stream
oh ok
neat crow
The spoilers channel is more story-related
heady stream
of course
neat crow
Ah, nice! I sat there and just listened to the whole thing the first time
neat crow
Would be nice if at least Hades reacted, since he's the one going on about him singing
heady stream
yeah
neat crow
Maybe in future updates we'll get more reaction though
heady stream
hopefully
short iris
i'm very excited to see just how big the update is
heady stream
same
short iris
all content is good content at this point imo, so i hope that the updates have a lot of stuff in them
dense fox
what happens when orpehus sings
heady stream
it just plays different music in the house of hades
short iris
since it's early access it'd be sweet to see just a ton of stuff added so we can say "hey this sucks," "this needs to do x/y/z with a/b/c," "this is cool but broken" etc
neat crow
He sings the Lament of Orpheus, you can listen to it on Youtube
short iris
like even stuff that probably won't work just to see what's possible
like an experimental build or something could be neat
(also use items but that's just the isaac/gungeon in me)
spring scaffold
I found Icarus among the shades. Probably.
Also, damn you Nyx for telling Dusa not to speak to me unless spoken to first 
idle trout
Make sense sorry haven’t been playing much
And Daedalus left his stuff there
I wonder if he is dead and left to do something else after hades had him construct whatever
And is somewhere in Tartarus or the other areas
neat crow
Daedalus is dead, yes
There's a codex entry about it
According to the Codex, Daedalus' shade resides somewhere in Elysium
idle trout
Ok sweet thanks sorry if going over old stuff I just wanted a little cohesion you know what I mean
neat crow
Nah, it's fine
idle trout
Ahh elysium thanks
I really like their take on the mythology reminds of god of war in the sense where they tell you about the characters
But god of war they smushed it together here there’s somewhat of a timeline or order to things you know
heady stream
oh speaking of elysium
right at the beginning of the run im on currently hades said something about tartarus, asphodel, and elysium (i forgot what it was exactly)
i thought at first that since he said those 3 together, and 2 of them we can go to currently, elysium might be a/the 3rd area
but i read a little bit about it and im thinking maybe not actually
who knows, food for thought 
idle trout
Oh boy elysium is like heaven or something like that maybe that’s where Persephone is maybe a trace
heady stream
ooh yeah maybe
idle trout
Just crazy this game man in the setting that it’s in
neat crow
My current theory is that Persephone is somewhere on the mortal plane - in her letter she says she's going to neither Olympus nor a region of the Underworld
neat crow
I'm still thinking the letter is forged though /crackpottheory
Until given an indication otherwise
heady stream
o dam
idle trout
Hmm
Very interesting
And I wonder what gains do the gods get when you finally escape
heady stream
nothing probably, i think they all just hate hades
pale nest
I dunno, I think it’s deeper than that
My bet is that they want him as a pawn in the big war that’s happening
idle trout
Maybe has to do with the titans or maybe their using zagreus to exploit a weak spot in hades defense and that why he doesn’t like his relatives
pale nest
Also, putting in my bet that Elysium is also totally rekt
Something has destroyed Asphodel
I bet Elysium is even worse
heady stream
oh damn youre right
pale nest
We’re getting closer to the war, things are gonna get baaaad
neat crow
We know what happened to Asphodel though, the river Phlegethon flooded
The war angle is definitely something to explore though
Meg mentions that the other Furies are up fighting a war
idle trout
Ragnarok oh sorry wrong mythology
heady stream
damn im paying 0 attention to any details lmao
pale nest
The calamityyyy
idle trout
I wonder if they’re trying to connect it to their other games
pale nest
I doubt it
pale nest
Plus I’m still betting this game takes place in modern times
Which doesn’t really fit with the other games so much
idle trout
Hmm yeah would be kinda hard to put it together probably
Kratos as the mysterious stranger buffs aegis (cuz chaos) and gives you his axe with boreas freezing effect on it lol
digital gulchBOT
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idle trout
Dang it I did it again
heady stream
lol
vagrant nova
freeze it's the police
digital gulchBOT
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vagrant nova
dense fox
who thought it a good idea to tie the word freeze to the bot
digital gulchBOT
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neat crow
Ok folks, enough taunting Proxy
heady stream
lmao
frozen jolt
yall, leave proxy alone
frozen jolt
seriously tho, it’s just trying to do its job :’(
vale crypt
we nees Arnold’s character from B&R here
dense fox
Someone posted a fresh save run in promotion and after watching it, I find it interesting that the only god who shows up in a first without dying run is Athena.
bleak osprey
makes sense, she's apparently the one nyx reached out to
dense fox
Also they did not find any ambrosia though the entire run
frozen jolt
iirc you can only get athena, ares and.... poseidon, maybe? In your first run
late nacelle
It's only athena in the first room though I think that's what he meant?
frozen jolt
yeah, I was just saying about the first run in general
That’s why it’s so hard to do a first run clear among other things
bleak osprey
fun fact, i was so bad at the game when i started that i died in the first room on my first run
i'm a little sad that that room never appears again, actually
winged dagger
hey guys, is there some strategy to apply to kill Meg ? I've been trying likle 10 times and I'm not even close to kill her x) I feel i either try to clear the room and I don't hit her or I try to focus her and get swarmed. did I miss something or is it just a lack of skills :D
frozen jolt
learning her attack patterns is the biggest strategy, honestly
late nacelle
^^
Dodging her dash and then attacking rather than full on attacking is what helped me the most
winged dagger
y thats what i do
frozen jolt
dash away when she starts dashing, and then dash back to her and get a few hits in
late nacelle
And while she's invul clean up the mobs
frozen jolt
and then run again
winged dagger
but i get swarmed in the end
its not her who kills me its the other mobs :D
well time to git gud then
thx guys :p
frozen jolt
If you happen to not have all 3 dashes get that, it’s pretty much a must
winged dagger
i only have 2 i think
frozen jolt
gl! the best way is rlly just a lot of practice
late nacelle
I think you should stop doing 1 or the other if that's what you're doing, it's more do one then switch do one then switch
But ye u got this! ^__^
winged dagger
ty for your time :)
bleak osprey
most important mirror things to pick up: death defy, extra dashes, heal between chambers
lime yoke
and whats your weapon of choice?
winged dagger
I'm running spear atm
bleak osprey
i like bow best
winged dagger
I'll give a try ^^
late nacelle
I severely underestimated heal between chambers at first
lime yoke
but now we can give some weapon specific tips
winged dagger
I already have +3 between chambers
lime yoke
kinda depends on what boons you manage to get, too
winged dagger
yep noticed that
lime yoke
poseidon's cast could be useful if the adds overwhelm you
late nacelle
wait @winged dagger do you know about the spear spin attack and that you can dash while it's charged?