h1-story-discussion

[pseudo stump]

Guy who thinks he's suave

[craggy epoch]

he reminds of a certain type of guy who always wants to show people his knife collection

[pseudo stump]

B-but I have a (small) knife collection 😰

[craggy epoch]

I don't mean it's bad to collect knives

but like. some people collect knives and are really weird about it

[exotic sedge]

Ah, Ares. Sharing voice actor with Dionysus and Theseus lol
I like him. So polite. Finally someone who doesn't make Ares be a complete angered madlad just because he's the god of war

[edgy fractal]

is hades basically the same story as encanto?

[exotic sedge]

What?

No...?

[pseudo stump]

I've not seen Encanto, but I know the gist. I'd love to hear your reasoning!

[edgy fractal]

Black sheep child of a great family who rules their region from their magical house
The main character is only member of their family with no real role or place
The cousins and siblings are all magical and do things like control the weather or have super strength
Character tries repeatedly to understand why they don't fit on while investigating their past, causing the head of the family to repeatedly reprimand them and insist that if they persist in their quest it will destroy the house
Character eventually finds and brings home estranged family member, making the family whole again, the house stronger, and causing the head of the family to admit they were too harsh

prophecies about the character and decorating the house also feature prominently as themes of the story

[proven falcon]

thats crazy

[karmic mesa]

@wicked cosmos to unlock aspects you have to talk to people

Just make sure to talk to everyone after every death

Especially Nyx and Achilles

I freaking forgot about the other aspects

[primal pebble]

If we can agree that Than is Isabella and Meg is Luisa than we have no problems here.

[ivory nexus]

hi

could anyone help me? I can't unlock the last hearts of Patroclus and Achilles, I've almost completed everything in the game but something must be missing

[wicked lagoon]

Have you reunited them yet?

[ivory nexus]

not yet

[wicked lagoon]

Yeah you gotta keep talking to them until you get the option to do that
Just gotta keep doing more runs

[ivory nexus]

But I don't know what to do to bring them together

[wicked lagoon]

And making sure to talk to Patroclus

[ivory nexus]

ok thanks

[edgy fractal]

lol, demeter has a voice line specifically for if you kill hades by shatterinhim with winter harvest

she just throws shade at him

[ripe crypt]

ohh yeah she says "reap what you sow"

[edgy fractal]

there's so many little throw away lines

[karmic mesa]

Hey guys

What fan theories and head canons do you like for Hades 1?

[edgy fractal]

the rare fungus is real

the narrator said that's how i died once

and i thought he was just making up BS

but then I saw a shade in the house say they died the same way

[proven falcon]

[little rampart]

(No spoilers beyond Escape 7 please)
I just successfully escaped for the 7th time, when ||Persephone tells Zagreus not to visit her anymore||. But I accidentally skipped past some of the conversation as I was moving my laptop 😦 Is there anywhere I can find that dialogue again?

[zenith wedge]

In game no

[pseudo stump]

Is this it? https://youtu.be/fqWTJguklZ4?t=358

[little rampart]

It is, thank you!

[pseudo stump]

Oops! I've fixed the timestamp

[proven falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502817768513470474/1265216021258829905/image.png?ex=66a0b3be&is=669f623e&hm=a1f090d208108d00a6e9f9c068467c688658a3ce40f5613096ceeeecd1cd3e03&

[edgy fractal]

i love how hermes is basically a speedrunner

he's always making meta commentary on my runs

[fathom knot]

see

If that were true

Why’s he jealous of my sub12 runs

🤨

[edgy fractal]

oh that was him being sarcastic

he's actually dissing you

[atomic forge]

which housemates can u rizz in hades

currently rizzing meg n than

||heard u can have a polycule||

[edgy fractal]

yes to the ||polycule||
dusa as well, but ||she ends it to focus on her career||

[atomic forge]

she's brat coded she listens to charlie xcx

[atomic forge]

dusa is such a bad bih

[edgy fractal]

may be showing my age but i don't know what charlie xcx or bih are

[atomic forge]

oki,she listens to britney spears

megera listens to eminem and thanatos listens to linkin park

zag dunno

[edgy fractal]

brat coded? isn't bratty like... high maintenance?
dusa mostly just tries to stay out of the way

[fathom knot]

Than

Oh “meg n than” nevermind

yeah it’s them and dusa and you’re done 😔

[atomic forge]

its new lingo dunno what it means but it seems in the bimbo-core vain

[atomic forge]

but zag wants that sleepy femboi gods damn it!

[fathom knot]

You lost me on the lingo so hard

[fathom knot]

There’s already enough incest with Than

[edgy fractal]

didn't they technically choose the correct greek canon to make it not?

[atomic forge]

zag is listed as thans freind n coworker

[proven falcon]

they go down on each other the moment they realize they are not biological brothers 🤔

[atomic forge]

than is too buff for ma taste but zag needs love

[edgy fractal]

if you prefer twinks you unfortunately can't romance hypnos

[atomic forge]

sadly

or orpheus

[pseudo stump]

Orpheus is married, eh

[atomic forge]

tho hes a bit glam goth twink

seperated marriage tho

she hates the guy

[pseudo stump]

uhhh

[atomic forge]

A'll rizz em both seperately

[edgy fractal]

"till death do us part"

because everyone knows ancient fictional greeks used modern chrisitan wedding vows

[atomic forge]

is that the lore?

zamn

[pseudo stump]

Pretty sure they frowned upon adultery anyway in many cases

[atomic forge]

prob

folk be cheatin tho

[pseudo stump]

Mmhm unfort

[atomic forge]

gonna cheat on megera with the murder girl

[pseudo stump]

Well, it was nice knowing you

[atomic forge]

the murder girl is ironically the easiest fury to kill

[edgy fractal]

it changes a lot with weapon and heat

[atomic forge]

any weapon seems to melt her

plus her tiny last 2 arenas

fists,gun,spear doesz best in that order from current experience

[brave carbon]

I think Tis is the hardest

[pseudo stump]

Alecto because she inflicts emotional damage

[edgy fractal]

I think tis stops the timer during her invulnerability because its a cutscene

which is nice because the other two burn time with a lot of rude invuln periods

[brave carbon]

The timer never pauses in Tis fight

Also, the others are faster because they are eaiser to instaphase

[atomic forge]

shes just flirting

[pseudo stump]

Finally someone agrees with me

[atomic forge]

she has the flower effect when she threatens u

have had gfs and friends who are that aggro but dont really mean it(mostly)

A wish alecto could be in the house

[edgy fractal]

alecto means it

[atomic forge]

battie is so cute

she gave him a stuffie 🥺

[karmic mesa]

Hopefully we all take good care of Battie

[edgy fractal]

if you take care of battie
battie will take care of your mini bosses

[karmic mesa]

Since Meg gave me Battie

You could say I got a Battie from a Baddie

[edgy fractal]

bad? or lawful neutral?

[pseudo stump]

Lawful good!

[atomic forge]

why doesnt battie fly around with me tho

A expected a floating companion

[atomic forge]

okay drake

[karmic mesa]

That would be cute

My names not Drake

[atomic forge]

it was a drakey line

drake is very theseus coded

[karmic mesa]

Oh no not Theseus

He is hella annoying

I get why he is that way

But still

[atomic forge]

yeah exactly lol

https://tenor.com/view/kendrick-lamar-owl-cage-drake-not-like-us-gif-7022609036219848643

me swapping athena boons

[late tiger]

After Persephone goes back to the underworld what is the reason that zagreus goes to grecce?

[pseudo stump]

Gardenin'

[late tiger]

thats it?

[pseudo stump]

It ain't much, but it's honest work. Also, the House assigns him the position of security researcher for the Underworld

[late tiger]

like your being serious?

then why is the furies, hydra, theseus, and hades continuing to fight us?

[pseudo stump]

My always serious. Security research to make Hades inescapable

[late tiger]

I just thought it was to keep the illusion that zagreus is still trying to escape to Olympus so the gods don't get suspicous

[pseudo stump]

There's that too at first, yeah

I'd forgotten! Thanks for reminding me

[late tiger]

I am legit confused

one half is telling me that your joking

but the other actually believes you

[pseudo stump]

The latter half is right

[late tiger]

I need someone else to confirm

cause this feels wrong

I just got pass the credit and omg your not lying

[brave carbon]

Yes, that is your job

[zenith wedge]

Zag gets a job post credits correct

[wicked lagoon]

This is also true, but it is also his job

Of course this is all just an excuse for the game to keep going indefinitely

[primal pebble]

It’s also a nice way to give zag a purpose. I think he is the god of escape.

[karmic mesa]

And the god of being bi

And kindness

And being dreamy

And never sleeping

[pseudo stump]

God of sass

[karmic mesa]

When he sasses his dad he totally slays

I have to appreciate that the devs just didn’t make Zagreus an edge lord when they could have just as easily done that

“Oh he rebels against his dad and kills off the wretches, what an edgelord make him like Dante from the DMC reboot”

“NO WAIT, we will make him a gentleman and a scholar!”

[edgy fractal]

I think zag is seen as a god of rebirth in some greek texts, which is like, about the most fitting thing for this game i can imagine

to us he's the god of roguelikes

[mortal dune]

He is absolutely not a scholar I’m sorry 😞

[karmic mesa]

He is a scholar of Achilles

And scholar of Orpheus

[proven falcon]

i think you mean disciple

[karmic mesa]

Better word

[atomic forge]

blood and DARKNESS

[atomic forge]

and a f''''boy

[karmic mesa]

lol

[tall crescent]

My personal headcanon for why Theseus calls upon Artemis when Zag has a boon from all Olympians is that Artemis has a deal with Hippolytus to help him. You may wonder why the son Theseus killed would want to help his dad. Well, I Hippolytus forgave Theseus on his deathbed! This is what I like to believe, anyways

[earnest terrace]

I mean, it's not just Artemis whom Theseus can call

Or do you mean "this is why Artemis listens to Theseus"

[tall crescent]

It's "This is why he defaults to her over a more fitting god, like Aphrodite (who he built a cult for in Athens after the labyrinth) or Poseidon"

[edgy fractal]

how many times you fight theseus?

[tall crescent]

Several, but I saw on the wiki that it said "If Zagreus has boons from every Olympian, Theseus will call for aid from Artemis."

[zenith wedge]

What they are saying is a thing the game has where if you have every god in your pool, the game defaults to artemis being called

Most commonly seen on fresh file runs where you only have 4 gods available

[edgy fractal]

oh
i assume it was just a codign choice and not an intentional thing

but yeah, don't think she'd like him at all
he's more of a zeus/poseidon type of guy

[earnest terrace]

I've always just gone with the explanation of "even if a specific god doesn't like Theseus much personally, they sort of have to help him when he asks for it because he's a legendary greek hero and the champion of elysium"

[tall crescent]

It likely is, but as I said, it's my headcanon and the one connection between Theseus and Artemis is his son whom Artemis favored so much she personally had a cult made in his honor when he died

[pseudo stump]

I just wanna say I appreciate your "whom"

[edgy fractal]

knock knock
who's there?
to
to who?
don't you mean to whom?

[proven falcon]

@atomic forge i found something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_qPdj0BUsk

not sure if this is what u r looking for but yea

plus i havent watched it so i have no idea what it has

also it has some hades 2 stuff in it

[wicked cosmos]

I just got a joke from the game

I was wondering how dionysus was considered immortal if he had a mortal parent (semele)

So I found out that in ORPHIC (important) mythology, Dionysus was born from Zeus and Persephone and called Zagreus

so it comes down to this

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/564177522648940556/1267578815828201696/IMG_1189.webp?ex=66a94c44&is=66a7fac4&hm=fcc7a355239f8cb78f98209e6cee235accf7c7d2a4a568c8efc826a528829249&

So there was ingame dialogue where they were pranking Orpheus and telling h that they (Zag and Dionysus) are the same person

Completely flew over my head when I first saw it I thought the devs were just adding it for giggles

[edgy fractal]

there's like 500 different versions of 'canon' in greek mythology
and it was changing all the time
and separate canons got remixed together constantly
and then its further filtered through our modern limitation of only having access to the texts that survived, and having to deal with greek myths being reinterpreted by the rest of europe and their various cultural and religious influences on what aspects of it survived for 1000s of years

the game is just poking fun at that
I think in most canons dionysus was always a full god though, despite having mortal parents, zagreus is just a really unknown figure with little written about them, which leaves a lot of room for the developers to work with
putting in-universe pranks as explanations for why modern greek mythology is such a mess is pretty funny though

[pseudo stump]

They should've kept checksums like the Old Testament SMH

[rotund plaza]

Tbh I thought the same way until I accidentally researched into a rabbit hole on it 💀

[edgy fractal]

that blockchain has so many forks it wouldn't matter

[earnest terrace]

Thanks, I do too

[analog mural]

harem god*

[mortal dune]

It’s still soo unbearably funny to me that Hypnos just. gives you his wallet

Makes me feel like a bully except I didn’t even do anything

[gentle meteor]

I like to believe it isn't his and it was just handed to him as "lost and found" and he just gives it to you because he can't be bothered holding onto it anymore.

Although I have no evidence to back this up

[mortal dune]

It looks just like him

[pseudo stump]

What a coincidence, eh?

[earnest terrace]

Let's be real, Hypnos can be kind of a pushover

That's pretty in-character for him

[mortal dune]

This ain’t even him being a pushover this is him preemptively bullying Himself for you

[earnest terrace]

Levels of pushover we never knew existed

[edgy fractal]

pushover, or playing 4d chess with everyone?

give you wallet -> you get farther in your escape attempt
you get farther in your escape attempt -> you die in new and interesting ways
you die in new and interesting ways -> hypnos gets new items for his list

[atomic forge]

So

Nod your head if Hades is just acting like he didn't die at the top

Else, be quiet

Just say no or something

[earnest terrace]

You'll see

[atomic forge]

Can I assume something?

I don't think that's even Hades

As hypnos says, we kept getting killed by [redacted]

[earnest terrace]

Interesting theory

[atomic forge]

And it doesn't register as Hades

[earnest terrace]

Keep playing to see if you're right

[atomic forge]

Zagreus when hypnos suggests anything be like:

[fathom knot]

Mhm.

Keep playing, you’ll figure it out.

[atomic forge]

I'm right, aren't I?

Do not respond 🤫

Don't tell me

Although, that's what I think is going to be the case

[lament bobcat]

how do you get zag to learn music?

i got the orphues scene where he teaches zag an improv

but its npt giving me the price

[zenith wedge]

Play it 210 times

There's multiple scenes of orpheus-zag about the lyre

[lament bobcat]

is there any way to track how many times you have played it?

[zenith wedge]

Not really

You can get how close you are by how well zag is playing at least

The better it sounds/longer it takes between animations you are closer to finishing

You could try do it all in one go then just do reset runs for the dialogues

Or just play like usual and play it 1-3 times between runs

[fathom knot]

The music kinda improves every like

maybe every 70?

It felt like thirds of the way but I can’t remember

[tall crescent]

Find it funny that Zagreus and Theseus have beef bc Theseus was an absent father big time in mythology and he also killed one of his sons due to a crazy series of events and because Aphrodite got pissed. Zagreus, ||who kills his father||, vs Theseus, who killed his son.

[robust phoenix]

Is the reason why Hades is angry with Zag is because Persephone left?

[earnest terrace]

In a sense

Zagreus' existence constantly reminds Hades of Persephone

[robust phoenix]

Interesting and why is that?

[pseudo stump]

Probably because the top of his head plus one eye strongly resemble hers

[gentle meteor]

Would partly disagree with this statement, Hades is angry at Zagreus because it's his nature and he actively has to hold himself in check to act decently towards him (not a moral judgement on Hades just an observation that he's pretty moody and angry in general - much of which can be explained by his history with his family like his father eating him and his brothers functionally abandoning him to run the underworld). So without any support he defaults to anger because it's something that comes easy to him. I'd say he improves significantly when he is shown support from the members of the house and obviously when Persephone returns.
He shows similar anger towards almost everyone in the house (Nyx in particular) so maybe it's heightened to a degree due to Zagreus/Nyx's connection to Persephone but it's hard to tell for me.

[earnest terrace]

Well like it's not mutually exclusive, he could be upset with Zagreus both because it's just generally how he is and because of the connection to Persephone

[earnest terrace]

Because Zagreus is Persephone's son?

And so every time Hades sees Zagreus, it's a reminder of all the terrible things that happened with Persephone

[gentle meteor]

Yeah it's not exclusively that, not a condradiction to anyone point just thought I'd mention this line from after the credits:
"I believed she was better off without the lot of us, Olympus included. Deceiving both of you... it tore against my being. But it needed to be done" - Hades apologizing to Zagreus in regards to him venting his inner turmoil onto him.
So I personally think it's a bit more complex than just anger like he is personally feeling angry at himself (tearing against his being) and venting that onto the people around him but yeah it's probably in relation to Persephone's leaving.

[earnest terrace]

Especially since Zagreus' birth was the event that finally drove Persephone to leave

[earnest terrace]

A fair point

[gentle meteor]

*edited a bit, sorry bout that

[buoyant meadow]

Hey question

So you guys know how in the beggining of some runs, there's a blurb of dialogue from Hades to a presumably young Zagreus, where he tells him all sorts of things, such as lessons or whatever

Well there's this one blurb where Hades says something along the lines of "The mortals have one thing over us, they become men quickly, this is the Fury Megarae, she will hasten the process for you"

What did Hades mean by this? How exactly was Meg suppose to turn Zag into a man more quickly?

[mortal dune]

You got two options: Hades set them up romantically/sexually (which 🤮), or he made Meg responsible for Zag’s maturity (eg. she had to keep an eye on him/instruct him to be more responsible). You can tell which one I prefer.

Meg once refers to their.. ahem, black-out scenes as “a tutoring session” so I prefer to imagine she was his tutor turned fwb ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gentle meteor]

I find it unlikely that Hades would set his son up with Meg romantically (partly because there would be no point since there aren't any political benefits to that and also I find it unlikely that his morals would let him considering the pressure Persphone faced in being "given" to Hades). The mortals becoming "men" may reference their growing to adulthood quickly and finding/doing jobs which likely imply that Meg became Zag's supervisor or was in charge of giving/teaching him responsibilities. Their relationship would likely have been something they developed afterwards. (Also I find it unlikely that SGG would write a romantic couple/throuple in a predatory light without significant context/development as we've seen with Hades/Persephone).

[pseudo stump]

Also, Hades isn't the type to speak in innuendo

[buoyant meadow]

Ah I see, I see, @mortal dune and @gentle meteor ,that makes sense, thanks for clearing that up

Honestly, I was just genuinely confused, and couldn't really come up with anything

[fathom knot]

Nah I think he’s just a tough love dad

he’s a stickler for his rules too and zag’s kinda breaking them all in every escape attempt

[pseudo stump]

Bureaucrats! Amirite?

[buoyant meadow]

Hades really should hire extra help for administrative work

After all, he did say there were countless shades, hungry for work, and not like he has to pay them

[mortal dune]

He did what do you think the admin room is for

[buoyant meadow]

Clearly it wasn't enough people

[pulsar bluff]

Just made it to the real ending

😭

[hidden zephyr]

I JUST MADE IT RN FR TO THE CREDITS LIKE 5 MINUTES AGO

[pulsar bluff]

🤝 🤝

Goated ending tbh

[hidden zephyr]

its tots in the blood if you know what i mean

[pulsar bluff]

Yo what happens if you attack Hades while he lets you pass

Do you start the regular boss fight?

[buoyant meadow]

No, same thing if you attack Cerberus

He's immune to damage

[wicked lagoon]

I remember when that happened I just started wailing on him

I remember thinking my build was kinda sick and being disappointed that he wasn't gonna fight me

[patent agate]

I was almost dying with horrible boons and praying the Gods (eh) that he would kill me instantly to restart but instead told me to go and I was quite confused.

[earnest terrace]

A common reaction

[tough wren]

Question about Hades' room, I gained access, but I don't see anything to grab, am I missing something?

[still tinsel]

|| From what I can remember, there where like two minor dialogue things upon entering, a vendor you get later on and a comment about capes. ||

[fathom knot]

Aside from what was already mentioned, there should eventually be a painting for you to look at

[narrow otter]

It's embarrassing how long it took me to realize why Theseus is Like That™️.
He's a pro wrestler.

[mortal dune]

It’s kayfabe yes. He’s the heel

[narrow otter]

I was kinda under the impression that Zag's the heel, given the whole "hellspawn" thing and the regularly tearing through elysium to get there. Plus the lone fan in the stands.

[quick sail]

Oh so that’s why he beat asterius bare handed

[narrow otter]

What actually made it click for me was comparing it to how the zone bosses in 2 were kinda mirroring the ones in 1 and had the moment of comparing multi-point boss fights and "one-sided rivals in a performa--oh my god it's AEW (Athens Elite Wrestling)"

[mortal dune]

He’s our heel I’d say

[narrow otter]

That I can absolutely agree with

[buoyant meadow]

Does that mean he doesn't actually hate Zagreus?

[earnest terrace]

I'm pretty sure he still does

Both in the abstract "i am hero and you are villain" sense, and the more personal sense given the amount of times Zagreus has humiliated him

[jovial crane]

||Wait so Zagreus isn’t able to live in the surface? How did he die up there? (Sorry I finished the game for the first time)||

[zenith wedge]

He's bound to the underworld

If you have read/know the persephone myth, something similar

[jovial crane]

Oooh I understand.

Wow I feel bad for him

[zenith wedge]

Just keep going now

[jovial crane]

Thanks for all the help. This is what they call heat right?

[zenith wedge]

Yup

[jovial crane]

ahh okay ty

[mossy jay]

Okay, so I beat Hades for like the 4th or 5th time last night, and I got this hilarious dialogue where Zagreus tells Hades to just burn his cape and get the battle over with, then continues saying Hades must have an entire walk-in closet full of the same cape. 🤣 Just found it pretty funny, I think this is the channel to put this in? If not, I can delete.

[narrow otter]

Maybe not in the Vile Hellspawn, Return To The Depths Whence You Came sense, maybe more in the "oh gods, I'm on shift with this guy again" at work

[mortal dune]

Theseus does actually give Zagreus credit for landing good hits on him and there is the one dialogue where he goes “I might be fooled into respecting you”, so I think it’s not as vehement a hatred as one might believe

[earnest terrace]

I'd still say that it's a lot of contempt and hatred in general; at the very least, neither of the two are remotely interested in being friends anytime soon

[mortal dune]

Naur they’re doing each other’s nails currently

[sand bolt]

Goals

[mint kestrel]

My favorite thing about Alecto is that she actually just hates Zag and wants to nothing more than to bleed him in every part of his skin.

[quick dragon]

how many chambers are there in tartarus?

[patent acorn]

12, and then endshop, and then furies

So 14

[mossy jay]

Same here LOL, she's very blunt. 😄

[pseudo stump]

What if she just has a biiiig crush on Zag and expresses it the only way she knows: picking on him like a little girl who's madly in puppy love

[tepid yarrow]

why is it atleasy a day between runs? what takes a day? styx perhaps or halls between areas?

@/mods

[brisk umbra]

More fun if it’s just unfiltered hate

[mossy jay]

TBH that occurred to me too, mostly 'cause my brother has someone who hates on him all the time(from our martial arts class, no less), and I honestly think it's cause she likes him. 😄

[pseudo stump]

daaaaaw 🥹

[wet cairn]

Tisiphone absolutely likes Zagreus

[buoyant oracle]

i mean his name is one of the only two words she says

[earnest terrace]

i remember that one amazing fanart where the two other furies get upset at tisiphone for saying zagreus' name but not her sisters' names

[wet cairn]

I'd love to hear a conversation between Tis and Charon

[quick sail]

That would be so profound that it would break reality

Not to the level of bouldy and charon, but almost

[mossy jay]

Oh my gosh, they'd figure out the meaning of life! Or death I guess

[wet cairn]

Charon, Tisiphone and Bouldy walk into the House's lounge

Charon orders a Hrrrrnnghhhhhhhhh
Tisiphone orders a Mmmuurdererrrrr
Bouldy orders a ...

[mortal dune]

when's Zag showing up in Fortnite I want to see him do all the gay little dances

[sand bolt]

Zagreus hitting the griddy

[quick dragon]

thx

[tepid yarrow]

bro wtf is aphrodite married

[jovial crane]

Just saw the actual ending. It was so good.

[patent acorn]

||To Hephaestus yeah||

[jovial crane]

||is hades II is sequel btw or a new standalone? I’m gonna buy it regardless because this was an amazing experience that I slept on for too long||

[brave carbon]

Sequel

[buoyant oracle]

iirc in the myth Zeus wanted to marry her to someone as a way of keeping her under control and basically just married her off to his son Hephaestus

[tepid yarrow]

is it so she doesnt romance with every one

[buoyant oracle]

it's more that all the goddesses were jealous and her powers tended to run rampant.

but a different version says that it was a bribe to make Hephaestus comply

[wet cairn]

I hope that if they were to acknowledge the marriage in H2 they make it a genuine thing

It'd be sweet

[earnest terrace]

not that it works

she still cheats on him just as much as zeus cheats on hera

[buoyant oracle]

well in the bribing Hephaestus version it worked very well

[earnest terrace]

is there any version where aphrodite and ares don't constantly shaboink

[buoyant oracle]

no

[earnest terrace]

i didn't think so

[tepid yarrow]

i wouldnt want my wife naked bro wtf

[earnest terrace]

what if she was as hot as aphrodite and actually loved you

[tepid yarrow]

well tbh there are hotter characters in game

[earnest terrace]

answer the question

[tepid yarrow]

no

[earnest terrace]

weak

[patent acorn]

Normal situations sure, but she’s the embodiment of sexual love

Kinda lame if she’s not

[reef hemlock]

Guys, does Hades mind control his employees with the contract? Just heard a dialogue between Orpheus and Achilles where the former says "We are most fortunate to have employment even after death. Imagine, merely resting for eternity, when you could work!" and Achilles I think answers "Now that you mention it, I can't"

Pretty disturbing

maybe they are just grindset pilled like Dusa

[pseudo stump]

I get you. The world has a weird understanding of rest, especially in the US.

In this case though, I guess the afterlife of Hades can be a bit idle and a bit dull

[buoyant oracle]

doesn't sound like mind control

[pseudo stump]

Imagine if Achilles had a Fat Thor arc of his own

[reef hemlock]

Specifically I meant when Achilles says he can't imagine life eternal life without work, it makes me think he realizes he literally can't imagine no working for Hades. But maybe that's just me! It wouldn't be too off the mark with the hole bureaucracy/work ethics vibe of the whole hades house

[buoyant oracle]

i think it's just you

especially when you consider basically everyone's personal plot lines

[sand bolt]

I think they’re just like most people and need some sort of job fulfillment even in death

[jovial crane]

Thanks (sry for late response)

[tepid yarrow]

aspect of C A T

[cloud trail]

Hello! Question about the gods we pick midrun.

Does every god boon we pick show up on the left sidebar when I press select? Are there any boons that wont appear there? Cause last night I could have sworn I got 4 gods (Demeter, Zeus, Ares and Dionysis on Fists). Dont even remember which boss I beat, but knew I was WAY too sleepy to continue. Got up this morning to continue the run, but when I checked this morning, I only see 3.

Me is confused.

[zenith wedge]

did you sell the boons from one by chance?

[cloud trail]

Nada. I never sell boons

[cloud trail]

Sorry for the long wait. Life called.

I got back into the game, and turns out I DONT have the fourth god after all (confused it with the run before my current one). Thank goodness too, cause I need Athena 🙂

Thanks for answering!

[harsh marten]

Hi

[tepid yarrow]

yes

[wide lantern]

I'm a bit confused on one of the gods heart unlocks. The steam page says you have to talk with poseidon after catching a fish in the same run but fish is random and if you've already talked to poseidon you can't talk to him again

Is this one supposed to be really difficult to get or is there something I'm missing?

[sand bolt]

I just got this yesterday, when talking to him in the very first room

So I don’t think your source is correct

He did mention fish though

I think you just have to have caught a fish recently or a certain amount of them

Here’s what the wiki has to say

Favor
Poseidon's favor requires using the Rod of Fishing and successfully fishing up a minimum of 18 fish, and having at least 1 fish on your person. You can catch this fish in a previous run if you do not give the fish to the chef. [1]

[wide lantern]

Oh ok so as long as I don't sell the fish I caught I can get it okay ty!

The steam guide mentioned same run and I was like that seems really difficult

[open berry]

i think same run only counts if its your first poseidon encounter of the run, since gods will only speak with you in that instance. so if you spoke to him already, caught a fish, and then got him again that run it wouldn't work

been a hot minute though so i could be misremembering how that one works

ultimately though you just need to have a fish on hand. the minimum count isn't really important because chances are you'll probably be well past that by the time the right dialogue cycles around, i think there's just a minimum set to make sure the player doesn't get the bond dialogue too early

[buoyant oracle]

if it's not one of the main 5 moveset altering boons, you have to open the full menu

[trim torrent]

does hades always let you pass without fighting him on your 10th escape attempt or did i just get lucky

[patent acorn]

Always on 10th clear

[trim torrent]

ok gotcha

[earnest terrace]

be grateful, it's the only freebie he'll ever give you

[frank condor]

Opinions on zag, Meg and than scene

[earnest terrace]

What do you mean by 'opinions'

[frank condor]

Thoughts on it

[earnest terrace]

It exists

It is something you can do

I did not do it myself for various reasons

But it exists

Not quite sure what you want to hear

[hard rose]

if only you can reject the scene and they'll kick Zag out and take his room for themselves

[earnest terrace]

third wheel to the extreme

[pseudo stump]

Do you think Zag would be sad if they stole his board game?

[earnest terrace]

yes

[eager sluice]

hello
during a first run clear
how does zagreus know who persephone is?

[patent acorn]

Shouldn’t

[sand bolt]

Because the flashback where he found out about her happens before the game even starts

The one we get ~10 runs into the game

Don’t think it necessarily explains how he knows her name, but Nyx may have told him this

[eager sluice]

fair

[patent acorn]

I didn’t know that was a flashback lol

[sand bolt]

Finding the letters that mention the queen is what prompts him to talk to Nyx and then she reaches out to Athena to help zag get out

[lapis brook]

a

[upbeat orbit]

what is the best bow build?

[sand bolt]

Depends on which bow, they all play quite differently

[pseudo stump]

Absolutely fascinating implications for the story

[earnest terrace]

keep this mechanics discussion out of my sacred story channel

[tight gate]

Didn't Homer spill the beans about Persephone in a flashback

[frozen jolt]

Yep! Entirely by chance…

[tight gate]

is kore a deadname or just an embarrassing childhood nickname? in persephone's case, would there be a meaningful difference?

[pseudo stump]

I think she's probably fonder of her dad than her mom, and her dad called her Persephone

[sand bolt]

It means “maiden”, is more like a title than a name

[pseudo stump]

Kinda like "ma'am" then?

[tight gate]

weird thing for a mom to call her daughter

[pseudo stump]

Very cold of her

[sand bolt]

Apparently it means it in the sense of “girl” also

So, rather like hades always calling zag “boy”

[pseudo stump]

It must've been so awkward for the House of Hades to see Hades and Zag getting along so poorly for yeaaaars

All the more so since Hades is a really good bureaucrat

[earnest terrace]

I imagine everyone just buried themselves in their work and pretended not to notice when Zag and Hades had one of their squabbles

[tall crescent]

It's highly likely that Theseus and Pirithous didn't try to kidnap Persephone in Hades considering nobody knew that she was in the underworld. If gods didn't know, then Pirithous didn't know, and Theseus wasn't roped into it. This throws off my Theseus timeline greatly

[tight gate]

Hades game Theseus is a total buffoon and his, ahem, close friendship with Asterius is the only reason why i can tolerate him

[pseudo stump]

His friendship with Asterius is hilarious. Theseus is so extra, but bull is so, so patient

I suspect that though he's playing a heel, he's not really playing it that hard LOL

[young spindle]

I really wish I could take the dating sim with megaera further

I also wish there was more to do in Persephone's garden in both the underworld and in the overworld after she returns

I also really wished there was a mount olympus DLC biome, but oh well, I'll have to wait for whatever is in hades 2

[young spindle]

my favorite Thesues arc is when he's questioning his friendship with Asterius. lol

[pseudo stump]

The romances minus maybe Dusa are kinda problematic as they are at the moment 😅. I'm okay with not developing them further

Garden sim though?! Heck yes!

[tall crescent]

I am Theseus's biggest fan to the point I know everything about him mythologically. Extensively, too. His relationship with Hippolytus is so heartbreaking. I wish they actually did something with that.

[pseudo stump]

What if he's being a goober because he's very sad? A la Watiti's Thor in Thor: Ragnarok?

Do we get any hints of such cracks in this hypothetical facade?

[tall crescent]

His entire insecure breakdown with Asterius, the "All of which you own has been handed to you" (or something similar) line when he's battling, and I can't think of any others. I connect this all to the fact his father was willing to abandon him if he wasn't a strong hero. He went through the entirety of his six Labor deliberately because he needed to prove himself. This could explain his defensiveness towards his choice to battle over and over to prove himself, as shown in the line where he called Zagreus a maggot

Fun fact: Theseus has two siblings that are never mentioned, most likely because mythology doesn't mention them either! Clymene, his sister, and Medeus, his brother. I just wanted to mention them

Mythology media I mean. Media based on mythology doesn't mention them much or ever. Clymene is described in the illiad if I remember correctly. Her only description is being "ox-eyed", which means that she had very deep and beautiful eyes. Medeus had an entire journey after he ran away with Medea when their assassination attempt failed

[earnest terrace]

I am somewhat more willing to tolerate Theseus because as much of an arrogant blowhard as he is, he did do something incredibly compassionate and honorable for the Bull (which is why the latter is so loyal to him)

Zagreus basically receives all of Theseus' cringe/unsavory side, but we don't see how Theseus is 'offscreen,' so to speak

[pseudo stump]

Yeah. Is kinda nice: you don't often see that depth of friendship in media these days!

[earnest terrace]

Yeah as tempting as it is to say "Theseus doesn't deserve Bull," Bull quite literally owes everything to a completely selfless and compassionate decision by Theseus

[pseudo stump]

Bull is doggo 👀

[proven falcon]

theseus my fav hades character

[tender shell]

so real

gotta be real I like Megeara more than Thanatos

man she is so fun especially diologuewise

its fun bringing a new weapon into the tartarus boss room and Meg and Zag have a convo that's basically

"Wtf are you holding"
"Its a thing that I will hit you really hard with"
"Ok- but make sure to hit me REAAAAAAAALLY hard"

[frozen jolt]

I feel the same, she’s just more interesting to me

[zenith wedge]

Meg is cool cuz you actually see her often

Vs "Than I swear to hades please spawn"

[tender shell]

I like talking to Than dont get me wrong but I actually dont like Than spawning 💀

cuz sometimes

there are just a lot more foes because its a Than room

[zenith wedge]

Oh yeah he always forces the 3 waves

[tender shell]

like unless its one of those armor encounters where there are like 12 of them in total

[zenith wedge]

But he pauses the timer so I can't hate him for that

I can hate his pathfinding tho

[frozen jolt]

H2 spoilers ||if only zag could see mel often… 😔 ||

[zenith wedge]

Oh lmao didn't notice

[frozen jolt]

I swear in early access than used to just walk to the exit and that’s why he just teleports now

or float…. Hover

[zenith wedge]

Every so often I see him struggling for his life trying to drop the heart

He just keeps going in circles

trying to laaaand

[tender shell]

I think its also funny that because of Extreme Measures 1 Diologue

Meg is technically more obviously sweeter post-romance than Than

Diologue with Than post romance lmao its like
"You bringing Orpheus back with his wife that he wants nothing else but to be back with was NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS" and
"Mmmm... to die repeatedly or to hang out with my brother... idk"

and Meg at EM1 is like

"Guys Ik we're going to jump on him but also he's ok 👍 "

[zenith wedge]

Tbf the first dialogue isn't locked behind romance pretty sure

and also, zag was really pushing his nose into eury/patty affairs

[tender shell]

Zag better than me cuz he at the very least helped cuz if I was him I'd just gossip at the lounge with the shades

[zenith wedge]

Lmfao

Zag was lucky af everything worked

[tender shell]

the sadness I feel seeing Alecto instead of Meg since their rooms are almost identical

[tender shell]

my favorite diologue with Asterius in miniboss room, cuz it made me gasped, was when I walked in with Gilgamesh Gaunts and Asterius said I was gonna fight him bare handed

[frozen jolt]

alecto is so haaaaard to fight

i will still lose death defiances to her 700 hours in

[zenith wedge]

Alecto is such a menace

[tender shell]

and Zagreus was like "I didnt think anyone could beat you bare-handed"
and Asterius just said "The King did, but I was starving and inexperienced"

[proven falcon]

its normal to die to alecto

[tender shell]

like bruh-

[proven falcon]

trash god

[zenith wedge]

Asterius my go- my bull(?)

[frozen jolt]

😭

[tender shell]

oh yknow-
I still havent gotten the Asterius-to-Hypnos letter diologue

[frozen jolt]

yeah i enjoyed how meg gets a little sweeter after the romance... something that really bothered me about than is even after the romance i would talk to him at the house and he would be like "what do you want." and teleport away

like, word for word. nothing more or nothing less

it hurts my feelings :((((((((

[tender shell]

Than's rarity annoys me when you go back and he just goes "Woops gotta go" and disappears

like bro I did not just get you on RNG for you to say 3-6 words to me

Alecto is hard but also as a Shield main

I laugh at her

I dont just laugh at her I shrug, eyeroll, point, and laugh at her

[zenith wedge]

Even with shield she's a menace

High heat moment

[frozen jolt]

high heat is your doing 🫵

[proven falcon]

i remember my furies suck phase where i quit the game because i cant get past furies

[zenith wedge]

Game is not real at low heat I fear

/j

[tender shell]

OH GODS I'VE NEVER HAD A GAME PISS ME OFF SO BAD AT NOT BEATING A BOSS THAN HADES-

[frozen jolt]

game is not real if you dont steamroll everyone with hera bow crush shot!!!!

[tender shell]

after like the 6th loss
my 7th attempt
EVERY. SINGLE. GOD.
had this diologue that was like "Ah you seem to be struggling with the Fury, Megaera! Maybe you'll actually win this time if you take this boon!!"

AND IT DID THAT FOR LIKE 3 GODS

[zenith wedge]

I don't think any boss has pissed me off for not beating them

I get pissed off at my build instead lmfao

I tried hestia 50 once and heroes was actual misery

Wet paper dmg

[frozen jolt]

when the game first came out in EA even before the first patch, i threw myself at meg so many times that when i got to asphodel (then the last biome) i recorded a video of me just walking around because i thought i would never get to see it again

[zenith wedge]

Nvm em4 exists and is a real moment sometimes

[frozen jolt]

back when shield had innate deflect.... 🧓

[tender shell]

I did the same thing at Persephone's cottage

[frozen jolt]

didnt update my game because i wanted to beat her just once and i was not confident in my ability to do so

[zenith wedge]

Lmao?

Why

[tender shell]

I was taking screenshots all over and sending it to friends, captioning it with "I will ever get here again"

[zenith wedge]

Bro thinks he's the mirror shield from zelda

Didn't deflect used to delete the dad skulls actually

Then they gave that to shield and removed it from deflect

[proven falcon]

😭

[tender shell]

it still deletes dad skulls

[proven falcon]

no it doesnt

deflect just deflects them

[frozen jolt]

deflect doesnt, other methods of blocking does

[tender shell]

oh I thought you meant shield block

[frozen jolt]

oh my god lmao the innate deflect was in the EA game for two whole days before getting patched away

[proven falcon]

any iframes delete skulls

[frozen jolt]

thats so funny

[zenith wedge]

lmfaoooo

[proven falcon]

like if you dash through a skull while its flying

[zenith wedge]

Wait what

Have I actually never done that

[tender shell]

that explains I think I've had that accidentally and was wondering why there werent as many skulls on the map

[frozen jolt]

😭 😭 😭

no way dash deletes skulls What

ive been enlightened. not that i can pull it off, i like button mashing just a little

[proven falcon]

wow you all make me question myself

[zenith wedge]

I was gonna ask you if you have footage of that

Cuz that seems insane

[proven falcon]

yeah i saw on speedcord they use it for c2 dad or somethin

[tender shell]

The absolute JOY I felt
on a SPIRITUAL LEVEL

when I got a meg diologue where she says "I cant remember the last time I beat you"

[pseudo stump]

Summary of earlier chat
https://i.redd.it/gj8bkm10q0d81.png

[trail latch]

Him...

[frozen jolt]

were his eyes always so... gold

i guess so! they look so striking here

[trail latch]

Yep, being the embodiment of death (god's blood being gold in color, and also being a son of Nyx.) It makes sense

[pseudo stump]

Sith eyes
https://tenor.com/view/anakin-darth-vader-star-wars-red-eyes-stare-gif-17040371

[mellow cargo]

Who’s your guys’ fav character

[frozen jolt]

meg

[mellow cargo]

[trail coyote]

Roc

[mellow cargo]

Roc indeed

[pseudo stump]

Meg or Dusa!

They're both so 80s somehow

[sand bolt]

Achilles

[pseudo stump]

Actually Thanatos is kinda yuppie too

He's much too much a square though

[mellow cargo]

I rlly like Ares

[pseudo stump]

Ahhh I need to test a theory someone posted a while back! Do you like pocket knives?

[mellow cargo]

tbf I am british

so yes

[pseudo stump]

Forbidden fruit!

[mellow cargo]

I feel like Nyx' and Ares' relationship should've gone further

[pseudo stump]

I like how Zag was incredibly uncomfortable with Ares messaging mama Nyx

[mellow cargo]

yeah lol

[fathom knot]

Real

[tall crescent]

Still never getting over the fact the game about familial bonds never mentioned Theseus's son that died in his arms that he loved so dearly that he said "My child, I am destroyed. I can no longer take delight in life." while he was dying. Like that feels like a miss. Wish he had a bit more obvious depth beyond his homoerotic friendship with Asterius

[earnest terrace]

Alas, there are heaps and heaps of cool mythology that just can't be put in-game for obvious reasons

[tall crescent]

I know, but I think that even a mention or a few would have been nice. His entire portrayal in Hades circles around the labyrinth myth, and I know why, but outside of his travel to Athens and the Labyrinth, I feel like Hippolytus is his second most important myth and it's just perfect for the themes of Hades

[earnest terrace]

Generally speaking though, Hippolytus isn't as well-known as the Persephone story or the Trojan War or so on

So I can understand why it didn't make the cut

[tall crescent]

Well, the kidnapping attempt doesn't make sense for Hades. Pirithous wouldn't have reason to know that Persephone was with Hades considering the gods themselves didn't, so why would this random king know? And she wasn't a daughter of Zeus here.

I'll still long for a Hippolytus mention. Maybe make a mod for an arc where Asterius starts opening up about what Theseus told him and where Theseus acts super defensive when questioned

A few dialogues from Artemis and Aphrodite and maybe Poseidon would work too

[earnest terrace]

Well no one's saying they didn't make their own changes to the myths, just that they chose a myth that's very well known

[earnest terrace]

Yeah, no harm wanting and hoping for it

[tall crescent]

I will forever mourn the chance for Theseus depth through Hippolytus and I will try to make it myself. Rip potential mentions of "O Goddess let me die!"

[hybrid jolt]

This game is educational, I've never heard of half of these gods and never knew about any of them

[pseudo stump]

Maybe Theseus got so sad he turned into Thor from Thor: Ragnarok

[mellow cargo]

Theseus: YoU bLaGuArD- Gets melted by my beowulf build

[wispy loom]

I mean i dont see why theseus would really admit to something personal like that in the middle of a stadium to a guy he doesnt like. Its one of those things that wouldve been interesting to see yes, but it didnt really fit in here.

[tall crescent]

True, although I have been picturing vague mentions by Artemis and Asterius, possibly bitter words from Aphrodite.

[wispy loom]

I suppose. Im not familiar with the myth to understand the role those gods would play, but i guess they dont really care all that much about him outside of combat purposes

[tall crescent]

Artemis favored him dearly. He was her friend, they hunted together, and Hippolytus worshipped only her. She told him "And yet I love you, though you are destroyed." While he was dying. She killed Adonis as revenge for his death

Aphrodite despised him because he was a celibate teen and pulled off this huge plot to ruin his life and kill him

[light breach]

Theseus gives me big fate gilgamesh vibes.

[gentle meteor]

guess that makes Asterius=Enkidu (which fits well with mythology since Enkidu was a wild/beastly man, although in fate they made him a twink)

[sand bolt]

The game does directly call out this parallel

When you unlock and use Gilgamesh aspect

[earnest terrace]

Difference is that Gilgamesh eventually learned humility and self-awareness

Theseus is a bit far

[light breach]

Yeah they both have that snobbish "i'm better than you mongrel/blackguard" attitude. Although with Theseus idk if it's legit or if he's playing a heel.

[sand bolt]

Theseus is playing the face

We’re the heel

[light breach]

Never thought about it that way I guess. Makes sense since the red shade is Zag's only fan.

[earnest terrace]

I remember that idea I had where if you repeatedly win against Theseus, the crowd slowly but steadily starts filling up with more and more red shades

Until eventually the entire arena is red and Theseus has an ego breakdown

[south flicker]

Some of them have to be there for Asterius. He's just too humble to admit he has fans and would say they were there for Theseus anyway.

[earnest terrace]

Fair, but at the same time Zagreus driving Theseus up the wall by stealing his fanbase would be

Quite amusing, to say the least

[south flicker]

Yes, I would love to see it

They are all chanting Zagreus' name at the end though aren't they? I could never quite tell

[earnest terrace]

they are indeed

[tall crescent]

I love Theseus.

[sand bolt]

[earnest terrace]

banned

[earnest terrace]

CHANGE YOUR NAME

[tall crescent]

💔😔 discrimination for adoring his myths and egotistical blondes that won't shut up

[earnest terrace]

BANNED

[sand bolt]

Can you stop pinging me thanks

[pseudo stump]

Oof! A ping every time? That's a bit silly

[earnest terrace]

@pseudo stump

But yeah sorry I keep forgetting to turn off ping on reply

[trail coyote]

[wheat scaffold]

If hades was WOKE!1!!1!1!!1!
The "furries"
"Pronoun" Hydra
"Theyseus" and the bull of "minorities"
"He/she"ades

[pseudo stump]

F-f-fuuurrrdeeeerrr!

[earnest terrace]

cursed

[pseudo stump]

If Meg ever did a hecking UwU, would Zag just die then and there?

Oh my gosh imagine how terrifying Alecto would be if she suddenly did an UwO

[sand bolt]

e_e

[mystic raft]

https://tenor.com/view/soldier-ww2-traumatized-meme-eyes-gif-12257475272172704406

[tender shell]

thats EM1 if you only get 1 Fury

[wheat scaffold]

"Hewwo zaggy UwU"
"Megara, why are you speaking like that? Did you happen hit your head upon bouldy"
"Nyuh uh (>ω<) I was pewmitted my hades san to do this cuz ur on extweme mesuws silly"
"Doesn't extreme measures make it so I have to fight both you and your infernal sisters.. Not whatevers happening now"
"Jewwus Zagweus? :3"
"Well, I never said I was jealous just a tad confused at first"

[sand bolt]

[wheat scaffold]

I'm erismaxxing

[tender shell]

if you defeat her you also get the Heart-chat cutscene at the house of Hades

and she's still in UwU mode

[wheat scaffold]

The bed scene....

[tender shell]

yeappp

genuine question cuz Im actually curious

I've triggered Meg's bed scene like twice now since the initial romance-completed one

does Than just not have that? Cuz Ive never seen it come up

[wheat scaffold]

He does I'm pretty sure

[zenith wedge]

Getting anything to appear for Than is a pain in the ass in general

[tender shell]

maybe if his diologue wasnt 60% "woops gotta go" I wouldve gotten it

[wheat scaffold]

He always goes after the times he does show up

[zenith wedge]

Him being necessary for hypnos favor is a pain

[wheat scaffold]

Also imagine ext measure meg going "Zagreus, put on the cat ears." if you lose

[zenith wedge]

I've seen something similar but dad seeing zag testing gilgamesh

[tender shell]

it will forever be funny to me how there's a handful of Meg diologue thats just

"grrrrr you keep winning"
"I'll get you this time"

like there was this one run Meg said "maybe I'll kill you this time for old time's sake" and I just laughed

Zagreus and Meg are so cute cuz I remember how Zag's quipps at meeting the other 2 furies was like

"oh crap, Im meeting the family already?"

[earnest terrace]

what is this

[pseudo stump]

Wouldn't you like to know

[tender shell]

Gods I wish someone could dub this

[earnest terrace]

Atrocious

[wheat scaffold]

Erismaxxing

[mortal dune]

The existence of yellow bananas in Hades makes me laugh because. they didn’t

[sand bolt]

Prove it

[pseudo stump]

I'm just so sad we've lost our candy-flavored bananas

[sand bolt]

Balatro (super good game and cheap too, plug plug plug 🔌) shouts the banana lore out

[proven falcon]

i dont like cards

wouldve tried slay the spire otherwise

[sand bolt]

[wheat scaffold]

BULLHORN!!!!!!!!!

[pseudo stump]

DELTA STRIKE!

[tall crescent]

There are these lines in Hippolytus that gave me intense Thesterius divorce arc energy
" ARTEMIS:
And now, farewell. It is not right for me to look upon the dying, to defile my vision with a mortal’s final gasp.
And I can see that you are close to death.
(Exit Artemis.)
HIPPOLYTUS:
Immortal virgin, I bid you farewell.
The gods are truly blessed. How easily you take your leave of me, and our long friendship."
He's such a drama queen 😭😭😭 like father like son

[tall crescent]

Theseus's Minos design's cloak could have been an Ephebe cloak! In ancient greece, ephebe (young men in their teens up to age 20) had a special cloak. In Hippolytus, Theseus was confirmed to have been Hippolytus's age (17) meaning he would have had the cloak. His Minos design didn't have the exact same cloak, so it probably was a coincidence, but I like this idea!

[pseudo stump]

All the cool kids had cloaks?! We must bring this back

[tall crescent]

They got the cloak during their rite of passage.

If Asterius was the same size he is in game when Theseus killed him, I understand why he would be incredibly humble towards Theseus. If I was that big and some 17 year old killed me I would also act like that towards him in the afterlife

It could also just be the homosexuality Theseus and Asterius share

[pseudo stump]

It really doesn't read like homosexuality to me. Seems more like a deep friendship

Well, deep friendship + Theseus being very extra

[earnest terrace]

Achilles and Patroclus are 10000% gay and I am all for it

But Theseus and Asterius? I just view as comrades in arms brought together by honor

I feel inclined to point out the fact that not everything needs to be romantic, and friendships are very important and valuable as well

As Tolkien stated so well

[late mulch]

Hi guys! A spoiler question: "When can I consider the game finished?" Is there a credits scene or something? Like, I played for 115 hours and it seems not done with the story.|| I have all the weapons, companions maxed, all souvenirs bounded and maxed, 100% achievements on steam, 100% prophecies etc. I just didn't beat the 32 heat yet for the 3rd statue and some fishes.||

[sand bolt]

Did you forget the credits that rolled before/as Mom came home?

[pseudo stump]

Epilogue too!

[late mulch]

Maybe 👀
But there is a lot of story after that.

[sand bolt]

There is

But that’s the only credits, to answer your question

[pseudo stump]

I bet most people don't even find out who hired Skelly 👀

[sand bolt]

👀

The 32heat does give some more story

[frozen jolt]

not really

maybe a line or two..

[sand bolt]

That’s more!

[late mulch]

[tender shell]

oooohhh I only found out via a YT clip

never actually got it myself

there's also this one diologue I wanted to get but never got
its when Hades says smth about asking Zagreus why he purchased the Sun Dial

[tender shell]

once you complete the epilogue that comes with the fated quest "The Queen's Plan", the main story is basically over

[late mulch]

So, you're saying when|| "The Family is Reunited (together or something like this)"|| happens, right?

||The dinner invitation||

[tender shell]

there's like a giant picture and like a circle of all the gods' symbols while the narrator speaks

[tender shell]

yeye

[late mulch]

oooh okok

ty

[gentle meteor]

This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to #h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

[unreal dagger]

Game completion depends on you really, some people ended on the credits, others on the epilogue, others want to 100% the game. It really depends on what you want to do

[gentle meteor]

There's also the completion of ranks from the resource director in Hades' old room:
Where you'll need 325,000 darkness to complete.

[cinder helm]

question and i hope this is the right channel for it.

but lets say i am doing a heat32 run on the 10th clear (the one that hades lets you go without a fight will that still happen with heat on or does that cancel it out?)

kinda wanna cheese that part like that but cant find any info on it

[zenith wedge]

Does count

Someone has done 40 on 10th win too

[cinder helm]

thank you ❤️

[late mulch]

Hoooooly! I would take a lifetime to complete

[patent acorn]

Should be only a few hundred hours

Not terrible but still yeah, commitment

[solar field]

also for the last price then?

[zenith wedge]

32 is the last prize so yeah

[solar field]

ah sweet
guess i just also cheese it out
im on my other save at like the 7th run aswell
(needed to restart cuz ps4 didnt had save transfer to the 5 xd)

but tbh its a lovely thing re enjoying the story etc 😄

[cloud trail]

Hello! Question regarding Hypnos favour and the epilogue.

Im at over 120+ runs, at Family Reunion quest. Havent talked to Mother yet, Ive already looked up all the dialogue Ill need to unlock it (need the Dusa/Hypnos one about faster lines from Royal Tombs), but at this point, Im tired of more runs. Heck, EVERYONE in the hades home is out of dialogue (even Than and Dusa) and STILL the scene wont play.

My question is, will the Family Reunion scene be different if I dont have Hypnos favour?

[zenith wedge]

Nope

The only thing that alters the epilogue a tiny bit is having done the nyx/chaos quest before the epilogue

And is just a few extra lines

[cloud trail]

Thank goodness. Ive already done those.
Thank you!

[zenith wedge]

Have fun eventually doing the hypnos favor

[tidal mulch]

From a story stand point

Would any of the enemies ever learn to fear Zagreus after a certain point through word of mouth?

Since at one point the player just scours through the underworld without problem. So

[patent acorn]

I think they just die tbh

[tidal mulch]

Good point lmao

[patent acorn]

And they still have to do their jobs

[tidal mulch]

Unfortunately risk of death is not a reason to call in sick

[fathom knot]

They’ve got jobs to do, & Hades is scarier.

[tidal mulch]

Good point, guess there's never a rest day for those in Tartarus

[south flicker]

Since it's ever shifting rooms too, They probably don't know when they'll go against him

[gentle meteor]

lol Zagreus is a horror movie villain to wretches confirmed

[south flicker]

'Dude I was just patrolling like I was supposed to and he THREW HIS SHIELD AT ME AND LIGHTNING CAME OUT? And last week he had freaking grenade launcher! I want to go back to the furies!'

[tidal mulch]

Truly a worse punishment than anything the furies could come up with

A snarky bi boy

[tender shell]

mfw I'm an unarmored wretch and Zagreus is speedrunning

[tender shell]

I'm going to assume since Lernie reconstitutes, every other shade does, and that they're more inclined to listen to Hades' orders given even if they die repeatedly they've already DIED-died and nothing is permanent I'd assume

[tidal mulch]

Average lifespan of a wretch is 0.3 seconds

[patent acorn]

with hestia

literally .1 seconds of life

[tidal mulch]

the wretches finally glad to hear they can just stay and a room and wait until further notice

The new punishment they werent expecting about to appear and disappear in a flash of blood and pinkiness:

[tender shell]

"Did you hear the Furies were assigned to a different task"

"Phew, I cant imagine anything being worse than they were"

The Bisexual with Father-issues and online distant-family support:

[wise pelican]

How do you reunite euridice and Orpheus? Just keep giving them flasks to build their relationship hearts?

[sand bolt]

You also need to have unlocked the administration chamber

[wise pelican]

Did that. Just haven't seen euridice in awhile. Kk ty

[unreal dagger]

Also nyx I think

[light breach]

To get the dialouge for End to Torment do i also have to talk to Bouldy and give him nectar ?

[sand bolt]

Don’t think so

[light breach]

Because i maxxed out his hearts and I have all the other requirements but everytime i meet him now nothing happens.

[sand bolt]

Have you unlocked the administrative chamber?

The room to the left of Achilles

[light breach]

Yes i also already completed Orpheus's achivement.

[pseudo stump]

Might need better luck, or might need to get through some other characters' stories too. I believe there's some overlap between characters involved in Sisyphus's story and other characters' stories

[light breach]

I already talked to Than and Meg about him so I guess maybe Nyx is left ?

[regal matrix]

I really like Zagreus's voice. It's the perfect amount of kind, boastful, and smooth

[sand bolt]

On my father’s authority

[tender shell]

On old man H's blood power stuff

[stone phoenix]

his attitude completely betrays his character design in the most delightful way

[pseudo stump]

Zagreus is a Beanie Baby collector

[sand bolt]

Canon event

[echo prairie]

when I was 6 I collected those💀

Those where dark days

[pseudo stump]

I still have my orange cat and frog beanie babies! I won one in class during elementary by solving a puzzle

I think the prize was the frog, and the cat was a prize from something else

[tender shell]

It is literally only now connecting in my brain that the Titan's Blood you get from the Furies is from Uranus

[sand bolt]

It’s from WHAT

But yes they were born of his blood

[earnest terrace]

Maybe not just from him

There's a bunch of Titans imprisoned in the underworld

[tender shell]

true but also cuz Furies are born from Uranus blood so Im assuming most of it

if not the very first batch at the least

[cosmic shell]

soo i have 50 escape attempts rn but i have meg, tan and dusa heart locked, is there anything i should do to get favors?

[tender shell]

iirc Meg's and Than's are just conversations, but Dusa's does have a prerequisite

I forgot what tho I have to search it up

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2238809372

the text is spoiler blocked anyways so it should be safe for you to just check it out

Dusa's heart unlock basically has a prophecy triggered by buying stuff at the Contractor, and buying even more stuff

[cosmic shell]

thanks!

[lament relic]

Just learned that the Zagreus-Dionysus myth comes from Orphic myth specifically, so cool

[keen karma]

What zag dio myth. Like the one where they the same person

[lament relic]

Yeah !

[tall crescent]

There's a Greek god who's Roman name is Lucifer. Eosphorus, originally a separate god from Hesperus before they became one, is the god of the planet Venus and known as the most beautiful star in the sky. One name for him is Aster Aphrodition, or Star of the goddess Aphrodite. He's also called Phaesphoros, or Lucifer in latin. This is just interesting considering the aspect of Lucifer. I've just been thinking about him a lot

Cicero, De Natura Deorum 2. 20 (trans. Rackham) (Roman rhetorician C1st B.C.) :
"The star of Venus, called in Greek Phosphoros (the Light-Bringer) and in Latin Lucifer when it precedes the sun, but when it follows it Hesperos."

There's also "Lucifer (the Dawn Star) [Eosphoros] sails upon roseate wings, whom Venus [Aphrodite] rejoices to lead forth in a glorious sky."

[tender shell]

Not related to Hades but there are some interpretations of the book of Isaiah where Isaiah isn't actually describing the backstory of a fallen Angel named Lucifer.

But rather using the star Lucifer as a derogatory metaphor towards the King of Isaiah's time

Sorta like a "like the morning start you felk hard against the earth" metaphor cuz of how it sinks to the horizon when the earth turns.

The Roman origin of the name Lucifer is genuinely so cool

[earnest terrace]

I'm rather certain that the Lucifer they are referring to in-game is the Christian Lucifer that everyone knows about, but interesting food for thought nevertheless!

[tender shell]

The Christian Lucifer nonetheless comes from the Roman Lucifer

Which is pretty cool cuz it does make Lucifer Aspect feel a lot closer to the GreckoRoman myths used

[pseudo stump]

If you mean the name in the Greek translations, I might find that plausible

Isaiah super duper precedes Greco-Roman stuff if I recall correctly. A good few hundred years at least

Goodness I need to brush up on ye olde Israel history

[tender shell]

Pretty sure yeah but I think the use of Lucifer in that verse is only cuz of the Greek translations circulating after

[earnest terrace]

I'm sure, but in regards to which tale is being used

[tender shell]

Fair

I find it so interesting tho that Zeus is the one to deliver the Lucifer call phrase

I mean Ig since he's the sky-father

[ionic linden]

Question
Isn't the underworld of hades called.....hades?
Yet I've seen multiple characters mention "hell" as if it's still keeping it's original meaning of "fiery Inferno filled with death and suffering" from the bible, not at least the "organized DMV" of in game hades

[tender shell]

Well the funny thing is that the underworld and Hades is physically under

Or below

But it basically has all the Afterlives squeezed into it

Like Tartarus, Asphodel, and Elysium are basically Hell, Purgatory, and Heaven layered on top of each other instead of being one going down and one going to the sky or smth

[gentle meteor]

Technically speaking the origins of the word "hell" seem to relate to the underworld rather than just the abrahamic afterlife for bad people. (side note: funnily enough in proto-germanic roots it seems to reference it as the "unseen place" which also seems to be one of the ways of interpreting the name "Hades".)
As for what Hades is, within Greek mythology it was the place that all mortals would eventually go when they perish. Tartarus for various "bad" people, asphodel for most normal people and Elysium for the "heroes" or "greats".

Keep in mind though that the writers live in the 21st century and use 21st century ideas/lingo to express their stories even though they are basing this off of a mythology written thousands of years ago over several iterations. So it's up to interpretation what they mean by using words with modern interpretations that differ from there original meaning. (Also I might be wrong about a lot of what I say, this is all based of quick googling)

[pseudo stump]

Hebrew says "Sheol"

[tender shell]

Additionally since a lot of the Bible was circulated in Greek you could say that He'll is Hades instead of Hades being hell.

Cuz every time Gahenna was being refered to they were like

"Ah. Hades" writes that down instead

[pseudo stump]

Ctrl+H "Gehenna" "Hades"

[tender shell]

It will forever be funny to me that Sheol existed before the heaven/hell system so much so that it just doesn't fit with it and it got translated or "interpretted" out of the English versions

[pseudo stump]

Oh yeah. If I remember correctly, I think the ye olde Israelites just assumed they'd be dead until such a time as there was a single, final resurrection for everybody

[tender shell]

Yeahh it's basically a form of posthumous ultimate equality thing

[winter stratus]

Ah, death, the great equalizer.

[boreal sentinel]

After the Olympus gather at the house is there any more story progress?

Or thats it

[sand bolt]

That’s it for major storyline stuff

But every relationship has more story as you fill up their hearts

Such as Demeter, who you can’t even finish all her hearts until after the gathering

[dense geyser]

hey y'all, i'm having issues unlocking ares' last heart. i'm still waiting for him to give me the minor prophecy and i've been using his keepsake at the start of each run, but he still hasn't said anything in regards to it 😔

is it just up to RNG?

[sand bolt]

Yes

[dense geyser]

damn, oh well

[modern oriole]

dont borrow coin

[sand bolt]

Always borrow coin

[fathom knot]

ALWAYS borrow obols

[tender shell]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/794263722499113003/1306981550407159808/cooltext470057160794344.gif?ex=6738a4ec&is=6737536c&hm=a8495d3c9db556fc6d9f0bd754530acc034ddbe802dd5ef6fe2b8a806c73d5e7&

[vocal osprey]

coins for Charon
coins FROM Charon
what's the worst that could happen!

[wind lance]

Does the “Friends Forever” achievement mean I need to three star everything?

[sand bolt]

That’s one of them, not sure it’s that one

[sacred totem]

How do I go about progressing the gods relationships to do the epilogue? Am I supposed to give the nectar to everyone even when it doesn’t say to “to further relationship” and then eventually ambrosia? For example not related to gods, Nyx has it saying to develop relationship but won’t let me give her either

[fathom knot]

If you check your codex you’ll notice a lock on the hearts of the npcs you’ve pushed to the softcsp

to get past that, each npc has their own specific favour

[sacred totem]

@fathom knot so what would I have to do in nyx case? And are they each drastically different

[fathom knot]

It’s very character specific

I think it’s reunion with chaos?

Each character’s is on the wiki

[tender shell]

.

the texts are spoiler-covered on the link anyways so it should be good

its what I used for the epiogue too

[tall crescent]

Thinking hard about Plutus, god of wealth, who is either the son of Tyche, son of Iasion and Demeter, or son of Hades and Persephone

[frosty cairn]

oh.

[atomic forge]

Should I unlock the epilogue for the game before getting Hades 2? I want to, but I havent been able to make any progress on the quest for a couple of days, the prophecy tells me to "get closer with the Olympians to develop a plan" but I've had all of their hearts maxed out (minus giving them ambrosia, so most of them are at 6 hearts) and the quest just wont progress. Do I need to do some extra stuff to unlock giving them ambrosia to proceed, or is it something else thatll take 20+ hours to complete? If I have to go really THAT out of the way to reach the Epilouge I'd rather just get Hades 2 and see what Ive missed with context clues

[leaden yoke]

You need to complete each god's prophecy to unlock their Ambrosia-hearts.

[atomic forge]

Do I need to do that for the epilouge is what im asking

[leaden yoke]

yes

Hold on let me just double-check to confirm

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Epilogue_Guide?so=search

Six of the following are required:

Zeus at 7 hearts
Poseidon at 7 hearts
Athena at 7 hearts
Aphrodite at 7 hearts
Artemis at 7 hearts
Ares at 7 hearts
Dionysus at 7 hearts
Hermes at 8 hearts
Demeter at 6 hearts

    You will need much more Nectar than you normally get in the game to fill the gods. Liberal use of the Wretched Broker is essential.

[atomic forge]

alright thanks

[atomic forge]

do you know if this:

"Ares' favor requires completing the War-God's Bloodlust prophecy and slaying at minimum 10,000 enemies total. "

means the prophecy where you collect all of ares' boons? because theres no quest completed or uncompleted for me called "War Gods Bloodlust"

according to the reflecting pool ive killed 20084 things so

[leaden yoke]

In order to get the god prophesies, you have to have the god at locked-heart level already, and then there's a good chance they will give you the prophecy next time you see them in a run, at which point you can complete it.

[halcyon apex]

Pat and Achilles having matching spears is so cute man.

[leaden yoke]

I never noticed that!? owo

[halcyon apex]

When you first get to Hades with Lucifer Rail, he says something along the lines of "You make assumptions about people you don't know". Does this mean Hades has some knowledge of who Lucifer is and what he's done?

[leaden yoke]

Pretty sure he would, yeah.

[halcyon apex]

I wonder what the Biblical God's role would be in the world with Chaos being the creator of everything though.

[leaden yoke]

Large parts of catholic mysticism work just as well in a polytheistic setting.

Especially since most of the supernatural entities in catholic mysticism, aside from Yahwe, Jesus, and the holy spirit, are either not actually in the bible, or where they are, modern theological scholars are often unsure whether the passage refers to an entity at all.

[fathom knot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422743/1308651502126104626/image.png?ex=673eb82f&is=673d66af&hm=a0782f409ac4738301582bc33534f91a89c38a009e6e6b424a4adcaeeed241e0&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=687&height=386

[sly ibex]

At first I thought their designs matching was cute, but then I realized 😭

[unreal dagger]

While i recommend doing it just cause is awesome, Hades 2 has very little ties to it, just references here and there. You can enjoy hades 2 just fine without even playing the first

[atomic forge]

Do you have any clue why the dialouge for any of their favors refuses to appear? Ive been playing pretty much exclusively to see the epilouge but it just wont give it to me, Ares wont give me his quest, Artemis isnt giving me her "callisto" dialouge, Demeter isnt saying anything about Persephone etc etc

Im in a run right now and when i first talked to Artemis she gave me Coronachts secret line thing, and the rest is just filler dialouge, and its like that every time, if they have anything important to say its not related to the epilouge

There have been times where I collect a boon and it just wont give me any dialogue at all which leads me to believe the game doesnt think it has any dialouge for me

Even for gods with dialouge related boons, like with Zeus it says to tell him the opinions the other gods have of him, but when i collect it itll just say nothing

Same happens w Demeter

[unreal dagger]

they only talk once per run, some dialogue has priority over others, in this case she gave you a waking phrase 🤷‍♂️

they talk to you the first time you collect a boon from each god per run, only exception is duos afaik

[atomic forge]

I just got a boon from Athena and it didnt give me any dialouge at all and i didnt have an Athena boon

do shops count or no i dont think ive ever seen it from shops now im thinking about it

[unreal dagger]

if the game has no dialogue for you, they still give you a one liner

so either youre wrong, or your game is bugged

[atomic forge]

Yeah no I bought the boon and it only popped up with the menu and nothing else

hold on fighting meg

[unreal dagger]

i dont think shop counts

gotta be a regular boon

shop only has the "charon sold you this" dialogue

[atomic forge]

oh okok that makes sense

anyways big thanks for all the help i really appreciate it

[unreal dagger]

as long as you meet the requirements, it boils down to "keep playing", you dont get to pick the dialogue

[stoic zenith]

i need only aspect of beowulf to unlock all aspects

but chaos doesnt give any dialogue about it

[stoic zenith]

is there any way to trigger this dialogue?

[leaden yoke]

Make sure you've invested at least 5 blood into the shield, and that you're wielding the shield during the run. Then, just get lucky I guess '^^

[earnest pagoda]

idk if this nescessarily relates to the story but

how do i get the second megaera romance scene to trigger

and does it even exist

or do i need to get thanatos to max relationship as well

[tender shell]

Meg and Than's romances sorta unlock naturally

you just gotta keep having conversations with them

that being said they're both RNG in that retrospect cuz unless you fight Meg or encounter Than they might not be in the house

[earnest pagoda]

alright thanks

[zenith wedge]

Btw what 2nd scene you mean

[gentle imp]

can anyone reccomend a hades YouTuber other than Haelian. He's great but I want to watch another channel that doesn't just do hades II stuff

[patent acorn]

Do you want commentary as well or just gameplay

[gentle imp]

both

[patent acorn]

I have gameplay on my channel, mostly for Zeus shield

[gentle imp]

wait can you link your channel

[patent acorn]

Playad, vaxon, angelic, zyruvias, ananke, vorime, poshboy, scratch all have nice content

It’s in my discord profile

[patent acorn]

Basically any speed runner or heat runner will have nice gameplay, so check out speedrun.com if you want vods sorted by time

https://zacharywebsites.wixstudio.io/heatsheet

This leaderboard has runs sorted by heat

[gentle imp]

thx

[regal cypress]

just saying that the guardians of tartarus were the hekatonkeries not the fates (or maybe its argued whether or not the fates actually guarded tartarus idk)
if this is all happening after the titanomachy that is
cuz before that it was kampe
a female dracon aka a drakaina

[fathom knot]

Jazz does toooooo

[patent acorn]

yeah list is not exclusive, that's just some mostly heat players i could come up with

everyone on the speed server has vods worth watching ngl

[fathom knot]

I mention her specifically because of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GH5OUk4__M

[patent acorn]

true

on that note, jazz has the best anyheat zeus play i've ever seen

[regal cypress]

sorry furies* not fates

[earnest terrace]

Why is there speedrun discussion in the story channel

I mad

[fathom knot]

Hi mad

I’m shackle

[earnest terrace]

Banned

[fathom knot]

[tender shell]

hekatonkeries statues are outside the House of Hades so its pretty much the case in Hadesverse for sure

[regal cypress]

Ah

[tall crescent]

What if Chaos's boon is the Cosmic egg because of the primordal world egg mentioned in the Orphic myths

According to the Orphic myths the world began bc Chronos and Ananke, Chaos's parents, broke the egg and it divided the universe into the heavens, earth, and seas

[tall crescent]

Orpheus should talk more about Orphic myths. "And so Water and Mud were there at the beginning and this became Chronos, and Chronos is called Heracles because he's so strong and he has the head of a lion, the head of a bull, and the head of a god, and then he formed the primordal world egg–" "Orpheus, mate, who told you this?"

[violet jay]

chronos did not father chaos dog what

chronos as in

the titan chronos

[tall crescent]

Chronos primordal god is different from Cronus father of the Olympians. I'm talking about primordal god Chronos.

[violet jay]

use google

[tall crescent]

I'm saying that in Orphic myths, Chronos the primordal god fathered Chaos, not Cronus king of Titans. Orphica, Rhapsodies Fragment 66 :
"This Khronos (Chronos, Unaging Time), of immortal resource, begot Aither (Aether, Light) [upper air] and great Khaos (Chaos, the Chasm) [lower air], vast this way and that, no limit below it, no base, no place to settle. Then great Khronos fashioned from (or in) divine Aither (Aether) a bright white egg [from which Phanes was born]."

[tropic bluff]

Stickybot is edging rn

[tall crescent]

Anyways, I do really hope the cosmic egg is from the primordal world egg

[tropic bluff]

I would say that stands to reason

Very possible

[tall crescent]

If they put that much effort into things I would be very happy. I get hyperfixtated on specific parts of Greek mythology every so often (some examples are Merope and Glaucus and Bellerophon, Atlas and his daughters, the Astra Planeta, Hippolytus and Demophon and Acamas, Plutus) and right now I'm real into Chronos

[tropic bluff]

I think they definitely put some real thought into the actual mythology itself but then also they take liberties as necessary for the story they are putting together

Which works

I don’t know a ton about Greek mythology

But I always have found it cool as hell

[tall crescent]

Greek mythology has been my special interest for years. I think about it near all the time (specifically Hippolytus and Theseus.)

One thing they took liberties on I find crazy is that Sisyphus is a good guy. He was just completely evil in the myths. How much do you know about Sisyphus?

[pseudo stump]

Maybe Sisyphus mellowed out over a loooot of time!

[tall crescent]

Going from incredibly manipulative and emotionally abusive and notoriously violent and bloodthirsty man to very friendly chill dude is quite the character development. He really needs to apologize to Merope tho. She's so ashamed of herself for marrying him that she refuses to show anyone her face. And his niece, too. He started a relationship with her and when she learned that he was leading her on for the sake of a prophecy that his kids would kill his brother (her dad) she killed them. Killing your babies cannot be easy. On second thought, maybe she won't want to see him

[tropic bluff]

I know just the basic pop culture representations of him and the Hades one

Im interested to know what makes him evil that’s hilarious to me cuz I know him as such a sweet guy

There’s a bird eating someone’s liver right?

[pseudo stump]

Bigger character developments have happened IRL!

[tropic bluff]

Oh wow that’s crazy

[sand bolt]

Prometheus is the one who got bird livered

Iirc

[tall crescent]

So

Sisyphus emotionally manipulated and abused his wife, Merope (she's a Pleiade, one of Atlas's star daughters) and that's why she helped with his whole cheating death plan. He said "if you actually loved me you'd do it"

He loved to kill his guests in violent ways to show off his power and strike fear so he could rule with an iron fist.

I already mentioned the seducing his niece to kill his brother thing. His niece is named Tyro, and she's also the grandmother of Jason of the Argonauts! Iason was not the son of Sisyphus, though

He also gave up one of Zeus's big secrets to a river god so that river god would give him a river. That was the nail in the coffin for Zeus

Bouldy jumpscare

[sand bolt]

[tropic bluff]

Yea jeez

Come on Sisyphus

[tall crescent]

I forgot to mention how he tried to force his son Glaucus into marrying this shapeshifter girl but she ran away to be with Poseidon. That was the beginning of Glaucus's Poseidon problems (Glaucus is the father of Bellerophon)

[tropic bluff]

Chill out dude

No need for that kind of stuff

[tropic bluff]

Shapeshifters are cool at least

But still not cool

Of a move for home boy

[pseudo stump]

This does explain why Meg disliked Sisyphus so much

[tall crescent]

Dw he gets humbled by Autolycus. Autolycus successfully stole Sisyphus's cattle. He's a renouned thief and son of Hermes and has the power to turn things he steals invisible and

Wait I was freshening up my knowledge on him and in one source Autolycus's wife is Mestra. Mestra is the chick Sisyphus was trying to make marry his son. HE DIDNT JUST STEAL HIS CATTLE, HE STOLE HIS SON'S WIFE 😭😭😭

Wait the Mestra thing is from Ovid and I have personal beef against Ovid. Fun is over

[tall crescent]

She got pre character development Sisyphus and I doubt Zagreus has pre character development Sisyphus lore beyond the cheating death thing.

[pseudo stump]

Zagreus literally 👶

[earnest terrace]

Yet another example of Zagreus being way too trusting and eager to help without considering that some people are just terrible and don't deserve that help

[tall crescent]

After Zagreus freed Sisyphus from his punishment, I'm so glad that Merope is up in the sky amongst the stars and not somewhere where Sisyphus could bother her, even though Hades likely wouldn't even include his violent demeanor

[earnest terrace]

I still haven't played Hades 2 but I deeply hope that it was Zagreus who freed Chronos because "I have to help!" and caused all of the mess

Zag really needs to learn a lesson

[regal eagle]

been re-playing Hades on a new save and got to the end without getting Orpheus to see Eurydice again yet, and was not expecting (at least not entirely) to still hear both of them singing It's In The Blood together

[rain ginkgo]

Is the aspect of Lucifer a reference to the devil?

I feel like it's the only logical connection, but I want my thoughts confirmed, because it'd be interesting, if they decided to mix religions

[empty dragon]

all of the hidden aspects refer to characters from different mythologies

[proven falcon]

All the hidden aspects are from different cultures

[earnest terrace]

in other words, yes

[tall crescent]

Wonder what Hades game would explain Arion with

[gentle meteor]

It's very likely that was the intention. Lucifer within modern media generally refers to Satan (although within original judeo-christian mythology Lucifer refered to the "morning star" which fell, which was referencing another character).

[patent acorn]

it is also called __hell__fire

[regal eagle]

"I see your prideful fall down from the heavens to the flames"

[pseudo stump]

Do you have a source for the latter, parenthesized bit? Interested to see where that interpretation comes from

[gentle meteor]

"Belief that it was the proper name of Satan began with its use in Bible to translate Greek Phosphoros, which translates Hebrew Helel ben Shahar in Isaiah xiv.12 — "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!" [KJV] Because of the mention of a fall from Heaven, the verse was interpreted spiritually by Christians as a reference to Satan, even though it is literally a reference to the King of Babylon (see Isaiah xiv.4). Sometimes rendered daystar in later translations."
https://www.etymonline.com/word/Lucifer

Could probably find some actual sources in a bit, been a while since I cracked open the mythology textbooks so I'm probably not the best source for this.

[pseudo stump]

Thanks. Interesting bit of hermeneutics there!

[rocky elbow]

Is it possible in any way to get nyx to reconcilie with chaos? I never considered it bc theres no achievement or prophecy about it, but still nice to hear experts input on it. I really liked the 2-3 pieces of dialogue about their relationship, I had forgotten nyx is the daughter of chaos in the actual greek mythology

[zenith wedge]

huh I could sworn there was an achievement for it

but yeah

there's a prophecy/quest for them

[rocky elbow]

THERE IS ?

Oh maybe i just. Missed it

Thats crazy

[zenith wedge]

the prophecy shows up once nyx asks you to help them reunite

and yeah there was an achievement "fulfill the night and darkness prophecy"

[rocky elbow]

Ohhhhh

Im guessing i have to give both nyx and chaos gifts?

[zenith wedge]

basically just keep gifting them nectar and/or keep talking yeah