h1-builds-and-combat

[valid dagger]

Hera is overall faster and more consistent when it comes to speedrunning, but it struggles a lot more at higher heat, Rama is good for Speedrunning but less consistent and not as easy to play, but it is by no doubt stronger than Hera at high heat

[turbid needle]

Quick question if I'm going for a sea storm build should I have zeus on attack or special

[quasi briar]

attack
always zeus attack

[valid dagger]

It depends on the weapon

You only really go for Sea Storm on something like Chiron

On other weapons it’s just something you come across but never specifically force

[valid dagger]

And on Chiron I’d argue for the Call

[quasi briar]

oh my monkey brain assumed sea storm rail for some reason

[valid dagger]

Rail is one of those where you don’t want to force it

Since Tidal Dash isn’t a requirement anyway

[turbid needle]

Aight thank u

[turbid needle]

Do you know a good fun build for achilies

[valid dagger]

You can start with Tidal Dash, look for Flurry Jab as your hammer, and one of Artemis or Zeus on the Attack, and try to pick up a dps call and strong cast (trippy, slicing, phalanx mainly), aim for some duos if your cores allow you to, your Special boon is not very relevant, it’ll mostly be to open up duos

For example if you get Deadly strike and Slicing shot you can look for duos like Hunting Blades and Mirage

If you get Phalanx and Lightning strike you can get Lightning Phalanx etc

You don’t always go for duos but yknow

Achilles’ buff applies to the next 4 attacks or casts so try to keep refreshing it

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/

https://docs.google.com/document/d/18uZziGYDyVCwc-XgcveoY8MXp6Lwq0BD6xDV38cuYWo/edit?usp=sharing

[turbid needle]

Im doing one rn I'm still in tartarus and I have slicing shot and athenas dash so should I aim for artemis next

[valid dagger]

Yes

Take her Keepsake into Asphodel

[turbid needle]

Yo I'm probably being a bit annoying but I have one more question do you know a good build for nemesis

[valid dagger]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GvdbSS3DrM0LHzZWWmWHt15Z87LFNUf-xUmH1_BMLps/edit?usp=sharing

[turbid needle]

Thanks your a legend

[proper wharf]

I accidentally wound up with piercing volley and Zeus special on hera bow, but actually found it super useful for clearing large numbers of weaker foes, especially with jolted. Any thoughts?

[plain river]

Makes sense

[valid dagger]

That's why people force Snow Burst on Hera

Does it better and faster without you having to use your Special and lock yourself in place

[cunning urchin]

Snow Burst and usually Tidal Dash.

[proper wharf]

Fair enough. I had tidal dash too and snow burst might have come later. Ended up falling apart on elysium when the crush casts kept overshooting the greatshields/greatswords. Need to practice with it more

[valid dagger]

Yea Hera is quite challenging

[cunning urchin]

This is why Hera players are the best players.

[proper furnace]

Truth (thats why im not the best )

[shell sleet]

same.

[valid dagger]

That's why I'm the best

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/931680030856200232/860890017613873193.webp

[rare topaz]

What's a good build for Rama? I'm considering doing a Talos run rn, but yeah

[hallow geyser]

Is Talos good?

What was Talos even for

[rare topaz]

Talos is like

Your special pulls enemies in, and then lets you deal additional attack and cast damage for 6 seconds

For fists

It'll be my first run

Thinking of running that as a Demeter run mainly

[lucid oar]

A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs

[rare topaz]

Thank you so much!

I appreciate it loads

I'll tell you how my Rama run goes with this in mind. Will probably do my run first, then watch a vod if need be, because I kinda like to go into runs blind

[hallow geyser]

Talos is for what weapon?

[rare topaz]

Say, for my Talos run, I'm thinking of going for Demeter + Zeus + Dionysus. Demeter can cross over with Zeus for her duo, and Trippy Shot sounds fun with Talos

[rare topaz]

Yes

[hallow geyser]

Which weapon I mean

[rare topaz]

Oh

Fists!

[proper furnace]

Worstlos

[rare topaz]

?

[hallow geyser]

Isn't Demeter fists better?

[proper furnace]

Ye

[rare topaz]

I don't really think in terms of viability

[proper furnace]

Joking way to say tlaos bad basically

[rare topaz]

Oh :l

[proper furnace]

And if potato checks this chat im getting talos propaganda

[valid dagger]

Would like it better if you just say you're not the one writing this

It is very brief but mentioning it isnt hard regardless

[rare topaz]

Well, Talos is better for me now

Since my Demeter is at level one

[lucid oar]

I copied it from aouei lol

[valid dagger]

I wrote it

Now you know

[lucid oar]

Ok

[dreamy prism]

r!pasta rama candidate?

[dreamy prism]

lol it sounds like you too

[lucid oar]

The good Rama pasta

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, don't quote without giving credit. Very rude.

[rare topaz]

Just remembered the filter. Not evading. Anyway!

Epic Frost Flourish or Rare Frost Strike with Talos Malphon?

There's also Crystal Beam but I'm not planning on taking that

[dreamy prism]

demeter is better than the other +% gods for fists attack but I still wouldn't recommend

[lucid oar]

Crystal beam prob the best choice ngl

[dreamy prism]

if you don't think you'll see/force zeus dio or ares soon, attack is a decent pick

[rare topaz]

I'm at the very start of the run

Forced Demeter

[rare topaz]

Mmm I don't rly like it so yeah

[dreamy prism]

oh then no attack

[rare topaz]

Attack, sure

[dreamy prism]

special dem is okay, it's really good on demeter fists

[rare topaz]

The +110% special damage boost had me like :O

[dreamy prism]

I'd take that then

then force zeus for attack and aim for cold fusion I guess

[rare topaz]

Even though it's Talos and I'd probs get more mileage out of a boosted attack?

[dreamy prism]

talos can spam special decently well for chill stacks

[rare topaz]

That's a good point

[proper furnace]

Your attack is still rlly weak

[dreamy prism]

dem attack is just really bad, better to coast through tartarus and force zeus for attack in asphodel

[proper furnace]

Is the reason you still run flat dmg sources

[rare topaz]

Fair enough

[proper furnace]

Also cold fusion isnt that necessary, but is fun for like theseus p2/Em3 asterius

[rare topaz]

Tysm chat, I'll force Zeus, though hopefully he appears

[proper furnace]

They just get wrecked on their own

[rare topaz]

Oh no I'd love Cold Fusion haha

All duos are fun

[dreamy prism]

cold fusion is decent

[proper furnace]

Athena-pos duo so fun ||||

Oh im not saying bad but not rlly worth forcing

[dreamy prism]

I forgot what that was lol

mettle?

[proper furnace]

Yup

[rare topaz]

bahaha

[dreamy prism]

oh yeah don't like burn all your resources going for it

it's not crucial like hunting blades or whatever

but you want zeus attack anyways so if cold fusion shows up great

[proper furnace]

Oh yeah if you started dem might as well

[rare topaz]

Ahhhh no forced aphro

😭

whyyy

[proper furnace]

Oh yeah just remembered heavy knuckle on talos can be fun

That way you get to use the attack bonus

[dreamy prism]

aphro always good smh

[rare topaz]

I don't like her very much haha

Life Affirmation or Passion Dash?

There's also Heartbreak Strike but

Yeah

[proper furnace]

Life always good

[rare topaz]

I don't think I've picked up heavy knuckle before

Fingers crossed

And hm hm hm yes

Yeah I might keep my slots free for other stuff

More Aphro, this time in the shop

Should I take Aphro or heart?

(Ofc im taking aphro)

[proper furnace]

You have dem special no?

[rare topaz]

Oui

Epic Crush Shot. 110 damage.

[proper furnace]

The meme answer is take her cast, grab zeus for attack, his call, static discharge and smoldering air from either

[rare topaz]

Wave of Despair and Dying Lament also

[rare topaz]

That sounds so obnoxious

I'll take 10

[proper furnace]

I like dying lament

[rare topaz]

It does lock me out of Trippy but

[proper furnace]

Good enough for small enemies

[rare topaz]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rare topaz]

Yeah

Though I like the sound of your suggestion

[proper furnace]

Oh trippy, forgot that was an option

Sci feast + ice wine time

[rare topaz]

?!

[proper furnace]

Zeus-Dio duo and Dem-dio duo respectively

[rare topaz]

Indeed

But like, both these builds seem really good haha

I'm running Stygian Soul with no additional casts so far

But I'll probably get some more so like

[proper furnace]

If you get trippy and some extra casts it def can be fun

[rare topaz]

Indeed

[proper furnace]

Specially if you have attack + legendary

[rare topaz]

Crush Shot is more of an immediate payoff rn

[proper furnace]

Can pull enemies into the fog

[rare topaz]

Whose legendary?

[proper furnace]

Dio

[rare topaz]

-And- his attack?

Ig it does count as a flat damage attack actually

[proper furnace]

+60% dmg if enemy has hangover and standing in the fog

[rare topaz]

Nice

Right

[proper furnace]

Need a hangover source (from cores)+ trippy to unlock

[rare topaz]

I'll take Dying Lament and continue my run

[proper furnace]

Also shotouts to Nyaanyaa before i forgot

[cunning urchin]

I should probably write a Talos guide sometime.

[proper furnace]

Even if i never used it personally

[rare topaz]

Daedaluuuus

Breaching Cross, Rolling Knuckle and Colossus Knuckle

Colossus adds to my prophecy

But the first two are real nice

[cunning urchin]

Breaching Cross is always the best option.

[proper furnace]

Breaching

[rare topaz]

Bet

[cunning urchin]

But you can take it for the prophecy if you like.

[rare topaz]

Rolling Knuckle is tempting for +60% dash strike damage

[cunning urchin]

Colossus Knuckle isn't bad.

[rare topaz]

Eh, I have enough gems rn

[cunning urchin]

It's nowhere near Breaching Cross.

[rare topaz]

True

[proper furnace]

+900%>60%

[random relic]

60%>900%

[rare topaz]

^

piano with the hard math fr

[cunning urchin]

The DPS gain over a run is not even close.

[rare topaz]

I'm gonna go with Colossus for the prophecy since it's solid

Breaching... We'll cross paths again

[random relic]

(this is obviously a joke on all fists breaching cross is best hammer no matter what)

[rare topaz]

Oh my God

I'm forced to go for another God

This time? Poseidon or Ares

That's 3/4...

Ares wins here I think

[cunning urchin]

Gotta learn to roll with what you get.

[rare topaz]

Not salty but yes

[proper furnace]

Good enough pommed doom should be enough

Maybe you will luck out into athena replace special

Who can tell

[cunning urchin]

Err.. ain't gonna happen.

[random relic]

you could always go for doom on attack, sell dem special, force athena in next biome, get athena dash, and get ME

[rare topaz]

Epic Slicing Shot

[rare topaz]

That does sound fun!

I'll reroll this Ares pool then for attack

[random relic]

(dont do that thats never going to happen unless youre like still in tartarus or smth)

[rare topaz]

Though why would I sell Dem special?

I'm in Tartarus haha

[random relic]

because you need athena special for ME

[rare topaz]

Ohhh

[random relic]

just go with whatever you want to lmao

[rare topaz]

Okay so it's either

[proper furnace]

Follow the old purple boon good

[rare topaz]

I take Slicing Shot now, and meet the requirements for Freezing Vortex, or I reroll, hope for Attack, take Attack, replace my special, then get ME.

[hallow geyser]

Is dem counted as purple?

[proper furnace]

Purple as in epic

[rare topaz]

ME seems stronger and it wouldn't interrupt my flow in cokmbat

So I'm just gonna

Yeah

wh

Ares Aid, Blood Frenzy, Battle Rage

[dreamy prism]

lol

[rare topaz]

:l

.. i dont want to blow my rerolls so early

[dreamy prism]

aid sucks, dps downgrade while active and opens up a bunch of trash

[proper furnace]

Ares doesnt have a call

[rare topaz]

LOL

[rare topaz]

Yep, so aid is off the table

Blood Frenzy ig?

[cunning urchin]

Just reroll.

[rare topaz]

But oh my God so unlucky

...

rip my dice

[dreamy prism]

ares call is a myth invented by big blade rift to sell more engulfing vortexes

[rare topaz]

^

LOOOL

[cunning urchin]

Dice are there to be rolled.

[rare topaz]

Epic Slicing Shot again, Battle Rage again, and now Curse of Vengeance

[plain river]

All the blade rifts are myths invented by big blade rift to sell more

[rare topaz]

Absolute vibe killer

FINE game, I'm going for Freezing Vortex.

[dreamy prism]

does curse of vengeance open any duos besides ares x dio

[plain river]

Ares zeus

[proper furnace]

Vengeful mood ofc

[dreamy prism]

oh ew

my least used duo probably

[proper furnace]

I think a few duos at just 1 use lol

[plain river]

kind of want to do an arthur run where I just grab vengeful mood and the effects that prok off of it

[dreamy prism]

it's fun

[proper furnace]

Afk em4 kill lets go

[dreamy prism]

hm is that possible

[random relic]

id like to see this happen lmao

ok well. if you get all 8 revenge boons + vengeful mood, 4 dds, and a lot of health... still probably not tbh

[plain river]

Damage resist hopefully as well

[strange lark]

haelian mightve done it

idk

i know latt beat it without attacking but thats not the same thing since he was dodging things

[dreamy prism]

the other option is maybe 100% dodge

• some crappy revenge

[strange lark]

youre gonna need a call for that

[dreamy prism]

I need to do the math for that

[strange lark]

[dreamy prism]

heroic hermes dodge is 40%?

[rare topaz]

Poseidon in shop

If I don't buy this does it count towards my cap?

[random relic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnKMfEv0GLM

looks like he did lol

[strange lark]

what cap

[plain river]

Pretty sure it won’t

[strange lark]

cap for what

[rare topaz]

Gods

[strange lark]

yeah

[dreamy prism]

nope, only added to pool if you actually pick up a boon

[rare topaz]

oh good

then i wont buy posi

[strange lark]

oh you mean if you dont buy it

[proper furnace]

https://youtu.be/czTtNMdFWvw
There is also this one

[rare topaz]

oui

[strange lark]

maybe shouldve read that

[plain river]

Mayhaps

[rare topaz]

I don't like Talos

😭

[plain river]

Why?

[strange lark]

because it is the worst fists aspect

[rare topaz]

Lack of feedback.

I like the buff it gives me, but like

Special doesn't actually special unless you special special

[proper furnace]

Play yo-yo with the special

[rare topaz]

And I just wanna special and not special special

[proper furnace]

Use pos special

[strange lark]

what

[plain river]

Crayon eating vibes

[rare topaz]

how dare you

[plain river]

The purple ones taste the best

[rare topaz]

I got Athena

Divine Strike, Divine Dash, Athena's Aid

This run just feels sad

Right, I'm taking Divine Dash, and I'm also just winging it 👀

[cunning urchin]

I'll share some proper Talos builds that are fun tomorrow when I've had some sleep + tips on how to play.

[rare topaz]

Oh, no need to! I'll be fine without, I doubt I'll play this aspect again haha

Literally only because of how clunky the special feels

[proper furnace]

I think dash uppers still do the pull but dont feel as clunky

[rare topaz]

oh me gods,,,

stubborn roots?! i can hardly believe my eyes..

I'm going for Blinding Flash (instead of Divine Strike) because I have Divine Dash, so it'll just make my dash strikes etc. real strong

[rare topaz]

I'll try that

Though dash upper is clunky in itself because space and Q

😵‍💫

[strange lark]

thats why you rebind special

[random relic]

i have special on right click and dash on shift, makes is so much easier

highly recommend

[proper furnace]

Wont speak of bindings cuz im controller

Let the kbm masters teach you

[strange lark]

im a pro at keyboard

[rare topaz]

mmm

[rare topaz]

i might try this 1 but wheres ur cast

[random relic]

im not as pro at keyboard as pro at keyboard

[proper furnace]

I couldnt have guessed

[random relic]

side mouse button

[strange lark]

i have special and cast reversed

[random relic]

fine either way

[strange lark]

yeah just not on q

[rare topaz]

Divine Strike or Mouse Strike?

[random relic]

yeah q sucks bc you have to hit it with ring finger

[rare topaz]

wait what

[proper furnace]

Mouse strike

[rare topaz]

LOL

[random relic]

???

[proper furnace]

Thats just Than summon

[rare topaz]

Frost stire,,

[strange lark]

mouse strike

[rare topaz]

strike

afhdsjghds

[random relic]

i always take mouse strike

easy choice

[strange lark]

those are both ass

reset

now

[rare topaz]

LOOOOL

completely demolished

[rare topaz]

i was reading this as i typed aghdgfdsg

But yeah, Athena's Attack pairs well with Blinding Flash

Frost Strike would be nice chill :)

[strange lark]

yeah well not on fists

[rare topaz]

mmm

[random relic]

yeah do not put percent on fists

flat damage on attack only lol

[rare topaz]

my run forced me down this route, piano..

you would never understand... my pain...

[plain river]

Thats a very weird assumption

[rare topaz]

I was joking

Am I the only one who gets tempted to throw runs that aren't very fun?

[strange lark]

no i do that

most speedrunners do that

[rare topaz]

Nice

[strange lark]

actually nah all speedrunners do that

[rare topaz]

I'm no speedrunner

But I think I will this time

wait nvm

i got a story thread

can't use "Give Up" at least, but can die!

@strange lark u r so pro?? at keybo n mouse???

i actually did my side mouse button for cast and the special w/ right click and

immediately so much better

[plain river]

No he’s a pro at playing hades on his phone

[rare topaz]

LOL

[strange lark]

y es

[rare topaz]

thanks

[rare topaz]

Is Zeus special worth it with Chiron?

[valid dagger]

Usually no

[rare topaz]

Worth noting my Chiron is at max level and I have Relentless Volley

So that's 12 shots

[valid dagger]

Due to internal cooldowns

[strange lark]

12 shots 1 bolt

[valid dagger]

So you only get 1-2 bolts

[dreamy prism]

it's an okay pick

[rare topaz]

Oh my God

[strange lark]

its not that bad

just worse than other things

[rare topaz]

What should I aim for then?

[plain river]

dio!

[rare topaz]

Because I did force Zeus thinking it'd be busted

LOL

[dreamy prism]

yeah it does come with all the standard zeus goodies like smair billowing and call

[rare topaz]

Mmm

Better to use epic dash or common cast then?

[dreamy prism]

uh

neither

[strange lark]

cast ig

[plain river]

I’ve had fun with apro attack, dio special and artemis cast then got lucky and hit all 3 duos

on chiron

[rare topaz]

Dang

[plain river]

With relentless and concentrated volley

[rare topaz]

Y'know

I could reroll btw

I'm in Tartarus

If epic special/dash or cast ain't good

[rare topaz]

[valid dagger]

They wont do much

You can start with something else

If you want to

[plain river]

does zeus+ pos duo boon have an cooldown?

[valid dagger]

Otherwise just wing it

[rare topaz]

Wdym MiKE

Oh nvm I get you

[rare topaz]

Not to my knowledge

[strange lark]

yea

[rare topaz]

Ah

Idk then

[plain river]

I was just using it and it didn’t feel like it but I’m not sure

[rare topaz]

I could like

Give up and restart the run but I do not want to waste my volley

Y'know what I'm gonna go for dash, it'll help loads

If I get pos special that -is- potential for their duo

And that duo with Static Discharge is just nonsense

And it'd still allow for Dio cast for the duo

YO

Dio!

Epic Trippy Shot.

[plain river]

Whats something fun to run on the lucifier aspect?

[strange lark]

poseidon attack into sea strom

[plain river]

Bout to play the same build twice in a row then I guess

Just did that on guan yu

[rare topaz]

Deadly Strike, Artemis' Aid or Pressure Points? All common.

[strange lark]

pp

[rare topaz]

I have rare pos special, epic dio cast and epic zeus dash

[rare topaz]

Bet

[plain river]

This seems really stupid because it isn’t flat damage or something like sea storm but I might go demeter on lucifer. Also, pressure points

[rare topaz]

Nice, 2 votes. Cheers!

[strange lark]

demeter isnt that good on luci

[rare topaz]

Greatest Reflex, Quick Recovery with 50% recovery, or Greater Haste?

I'm thinking reflex but idk

[strange lark]

the reflex

[rare topaz]

epic recovery is epic

[plain river]

The other 2 common?

[rare topaz]

Yes

So only +1 dash, or +20% movement speed

Also I'm gonna go quit for tonight after this since my electricity went out

[plain river]

Hmm

[rare topaz]

👀

[plain river]

I dunno, normal I wouldn’t pick recovery

[rare topaz]

I'll go with reflex then I reckon ^^

Oh my God

Exclusive Access

[proper furnace]

Salt in the wound

[rare topaz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984191666581811211/984936127091851274/unknown.png

I leave you with this. My God, this build just went so much further than I ever thought it would.

I just finished with Tartarus.

I do wish I kept my timing at 9 mins a region though, because 7 is kinda uncomfortable for me, and I don't want my run to end because of this

[proper furnace]

Now add sea storm + double strike + static discharge

[rare topaz]

I'm certain it will happen :>

[rare topaz]

Any tips for not dying bc of this?

[proper furnace]

Uh pause the game before choosing so you dont burn time, kill enemy fast, get free rooms

Dont get sacked

Have you seen the speedrun basics guide?

[rare topaz]

I have not no

[proper furnace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16aaLsNytmQFv9JCJN4huTzGqQAREDGezD_fkQe5b4Ms/edit?usp=drivesdk

[rare topaz]

Thank you so much!

[proper furnace]

Text version if you like it more

[rare topaz]

I'll look into this and apply it tomorrow to my run to save it

But honestly

It's so strong I feel like it'll be okay

Especially if I get Zeus + Pos

And Static Discharge

Anything after that is just an amazing bonus

[proper furnace]

Purple jolted

[rare topaz]

Oh my god

Manifest that for me please

Haha

[proper furnace]

You have exclusive access lol

[rare topaz]

OH

Nvm!

[proper furnace]

Thats why i said salt in the wound after you got it post first hermes lol

[rare topaz]

Ohhhh

[proper furnace]

Rip +3 dashes/purple rd

[rare topaz]

Oh yeah. That was cruel of the Fates, wasn't it?

Aw.

[proper furnace]

Can still get purple swift flourish

That with conc volley is legit fun

[rare topaz]

Oh my God

What's Conc Volley again

[proper furnace]

(it allows you to chain specials without resetting the bonus)

[rare topaz]

.........

So I just tag an enemy once and I can just

Spam special without attacking?

[proper furnace]

+3 base dmg per arrow from the special that connects

[proper furnace]

You still need to refresh the chiron mark

[rare topaz]

Ah okay

[rare topaz]

Oh hell yes

This run is gonna go so hard

I hope I get Conc Volley fr

[plain river]

Relentless + conc = win

[rare topaz]

Yep

12 special arrow + Poseidon special + Pos-Zeus Duo + Static Discharge

God I hope

Honestly if special gets OP I might forget Zeus+Dio, unless I get the effect that makes Trippy Shot inflict Hangover.

If I get Dio's legendary too?

[plain river]

Trippy shot doesn’t inflict hangover

Ever

[rare topaz]

...

[plain river]

Unless I’m dumb

[rare topaz]

Some special inflicts hangover I think

I remember it doing so

Maybe this was an early access thing

[plain river]

?

The only special that inflicts hangover is dio special

[proper furnace]

https://youtu.be/12c6o7wXwDA

Consider this is a more broken build that usual but the main thing about the special speed is there

[proper furnace]

Drunken flourish

[plain river]

No effect makes trippy shot inflict hangover

[rare topaz]

I didn't mean special I meant cast but

Yes

I recall an OP run where I had Dio legendary and all and I was just going wild with the Hangover stacks

I'll search the archives tomorrow!

But tyvm

[rare topaz]

Thank you for the vid too!

[rare topaz]

That was so fast?

My god

[proper furnace]

On low heat beo can also get some stupid builds

Just look at most dad fights with trippy flare

[rare topaz]

What's flare?

But yeah, I honestly need to try Beo more, it has potential to be my fav shield aspect

Current fav is Chaos

[valid dagger]

Flare is the alternate version of the casts, for Beowulf

So instead of Phalanx Shot for example it becomes Phalanx Flare on Beowulf

And on Hera there is 1 flare, which is Trippy Flare, the rest is the same

Beowulf is known for having bugs, some of which make it insane for damage

[rare topaz]

Oh, I didn't know that, ty for clarifying

Mmm I don't like abusing bugs personally

[plain river]

what are the bugs aside from double pom trippy scaling?

[proper furnace]

Beowulf? More.like Beobug

[proper furnace]

Mirage shot is doible dmg on flares

Instead of 1.3

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12CDUZVhVIqKtDbQYPS1-4nZEm4pVQm4QG8BxHkquWDQ/edit

By unholy pancake

Not only beo bugs

[rare topaz]

Euff

[random relic]

its not really bug abusing, its more like the bugs are now just features of the aspect lmao

[proper furnace]

Not a bug just a feature at its peak

Like cluster rockets

[plain river]

How come I’ve seen sea storm work against bosses but not these face rocks in asphodel

[proper furnace]

They dont get knockback at all

Bosses just have resistance to it

[dreamy prism]

yeah you can actually knock bosses back with stuff like poseidon chiron and demeter

[proper furnace]

There is also the funny mess where things like breaking wave/thyphoon fury proc multiple times

[plain river]

It literally just took me less time to kill lernie than it did to kill the face rock in the miniboss room

because sea storm worked against lernie

And not against face rock

[proper furnace]

I've learned that when testing if second wave procs sea storm

I also was surprised

[plain river]

lucifer with infinite beam, purple pos strike, sea storm and purple jolted

[proper furnace]

Super soaker time

[plain river]

super soaker

Frick I just missed a fish catch because I had to itch my nose : (

[rare topaz]

Ahhh, bugs as features, gotcha

In other words

Unavoidable bugs that aren't technically disruptive to gameplay, aren't bugs if you're not aware they're bugs or are bugs that simply happen

Or, they can be disruptive in the sense that they're broken, but there's just no substitute

Whatever it is it sounds fun and I'm onboard! Beowulf is great thematically.

Not sure if I'd like it more than Hera (no reason to draw the comparison beyond loading casts) but it'll be good to explore it

[proper furnace]

Beo is Hera but safe

[plain river]

Holy

[rare topaz]

Nice

[proper furnace]

Also more broken

[plain river]

Super soaker just killed theseus and asterius in like

[proper furnace]

Why thunder flare can backstab pls

[plain river]

A minute

[proper furnace]

Imagining not killing them in 6 seconds

[plain river]

Actually less than 40 seconds if you leave out the shields they put up half way through the fight

[proper furnace]

[plain river]

Boohoo I can’t kill them faster than I can think up a response to what you said, it’s fast for me

[proper furnace]

Just bad memeing

I also cant kill them that fast

[valid dagger]

https://streamable.com/gt6dfv

[proper furnace]

Show off

[valid dagger]

You knew I was gonna post that

[proper furnace]

Yup

[plain river]

Very cool

[dreamy prism]

cheat engine

[plain river]

Oh no I’ve been poisoned in the styx? How about… say… hades call

[strange lark]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxYydqNelb4Mx2EHD7qZ6FQ3iWTWX9BJXT

i think this was my fastest heroes fight

[proper furnace]

Nice title

[strange lark]

thanks

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxHb1gOA-PPmWKSR0MdlkdWG4YQZC_iMiG

hade fight

[lucid oar]

Hade (1)

[plain river]

if I was going to go merciful end on zeus shield would it be ares special or ares on attack?

[proper furnace]

Pick highest rarity one

Both work

[strange lark]

ares special has slightly bigger number

[rare topaz]

Mmm

I'm continuing my run rn

Should I take Chthonic Coin Purse for the obols, since I'm going into Asphodel and have all the gods I need etc

Or should I use this opportunity to level up Bone Hourglass?

[dreamy prism]

purse is a good option

[random relic]

if there are keepsakes you need to level up you can always take them in styx and then just go through all 5 tunnels, as long as you are confident youre going to win

[dreamy prism]

was gonna say yeah

that's how I maxed them all out without hindering me

[rare topaz]

Mmm

[dreamy prism]

also hourglass just happens to be really good in styx as is

[rare topaz]

That's a very fair tactic

[rare topaz]

True, though base level

So not great

I'll take coin purse now and work my way through Asphodel

[random relic]

base level hourglass is still ridiculously good lol

[rare topaz]

Cheers

Ah word?

[random relic]

?

[rare topaz]

Just asking if it rly is good at base level

It's just +4 rounds to each item

[random relic]

yes, thats quite a lot

anything you buy at any point then generally lasts you until the next biome

and if you dont have lc4 on hydralite means you literally cant die

[rare topaz]

Lmao nice

Also, Drunken Strike, High Tolerance, Premium Vintage or reroll?

[rare topaz]

This is my build

Tho add Swift Flourish to it

[random relic]

thats chiron? id take premium vintage probably

[rare topaz]

It is Chiron ye

And that's fair, will do! Cheers

Okay Lernie was obnoxiously easy

[dreamy prism]

premium vintage is always a good choice

[rare topaz]

I messed up by taking Twin Shots, honestly

But the other choices were sniper and explosive

It slows me down so much

Argh

And yeah true

[dreamy prism]

oh yeah those are bad chiron options

probably would've taken explosive for some aoe

I think if explosive hits with aoe it'll still mark so it doesn't slow down that much

[rare topaz]

Oh nice

Will keep that in mind for the future, ty

[random relic]

mightve legit taken sniper bc the other two kind of actively harm you lol

[rare topaz]

Oh my God

[random relic]

explosive is probably fine though

[rare topaz]

Patroclus or Zeus?

I don't have my Static Discharge

[dreamy prism]

uh depends

you got full DD and high health?

[rare topaz]

But also I haven't seen Patroclus since September 2020 and I miss him so so much and yes I do

But I miss him

[dreamy prism]

eh take him and just go for healing I guess

safety net is nice

[rare topaz]

yes :)

patroclieee <33333

[dreamy prism]

and elysium has a tendency of just murdering you with a bs room

so nice to play it safe with free rooms

[rare topaz]

100%

I just beat Theseus and Asterius to the ground

Got Zeus in a shop. Only gave me a chance for lightning to proc twice, hoping Styx grants me another chance at discharge

[random relic]

double strike is very nice

[dreamy prism]

tbh at low heat double strike > static discharge

[rare topaz]

I'mma go Hourglass

[dreamy prism]

enjoy

[rare topaz]

Even tho I can benefit from Acorn but

yes

ty

[rare topaz]

yeeeee

[random relic]

honestly yeah jolted becomes so muvh better with fo2

[dreamy prism]

if you're obliterating heroes dad should be no issue

so no need for acorn

[rare topaz]

True

Aw

No Zeus

[dreamy prism]

rip the splitting bolt dream

[rare topaz]

RIP indeed

[proper furnace]

I still enjoy twin o chiron tbh

[rare topaz]

Valid

Hermes or Artemis btw?

Last shop, last boon before I go into boss.

[proper furnace]

Bow attack kinda good
3rd hermes ig?

[rare topaz]

Oui

[proper furnace]

And what do you have from artemis

[rare topaz]

I can't freely show you bc

timer

pressure points, arrow shooty shooty, i have her attack

uhhh

stuff

[proper furnace]

Arte kg

*ig

[rare topaz]

bet

tho

[proper furnace]

Hunters's mark is huge

[rare topaz]

hermes could grant an attack speed bonus

is it huge on dad

[proper furnace]

It doesnt affect dash strikes

[rare topaz]

Oh I don't do dash strikes honestly

I try to but they're not a focus at all

[proper furnace]

They charge faster than normal attacks

[rare topaz]

I don't like 'em

[proper furnace]

Lets you benefit from strike/dash strike chaos boons and allow mobility

[rare topaz]

And rn I'm dealing with twin shots so my shots are slower

[proper furnace]

They dont charge slower with twin

[rare topaz]

That's fair ye

[proper furnace]

It just feels like it cuz the range

[plain river]

dash attacks charge faster regardless

[rare topaz]

Hide Breaker, Hunter Instinct, Hunter's Mark

[proper furnace]

Def mark

[plain river]

hunters mark

[rare topaz]

Bet

[plain river]

it's actually good in this game compared to 5e

[proper furnace]

Mark is pog

Always fun to see Than crit some poor enemy for like 17k

[rare topaz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984191666581811211/985009257357402144/unknown.png

So, this was ridiculous!

Anyway time to cry like a baby at the ending dialogue bc for some reason I always do??

[proper furnace]

Pog build

[rare topaz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984191666581811211/985010785090670652/unknown.png

Just to show the full extent

[rare topaz]

Ikr?

Uhhhh

Kinetic Launcher, Heavy Knuckle or Colossus Knuckle?

New Demeter run

[plain river]

what are you using?

demeter, kinetic launcher 100%

[rare topaz]

Bet

[proper furnace]

Kinetic is fun ye

It also helps on ME builds before you get the dash, which is cool

[rare topaz]

Oop

Iiii did go for Zeus

[plain river]

zeus on what?

[proper furnace]

Perfect

[rare topaz]

... Lightning Strike, Electric Shot or Thunder Dash?

[proper furnace]

I dont like ME

[rare topaz]

Haha

[plain river]

I don't really like merciful end personally

[proper furnace]

Strike is good

[rare topaz]

As in, forced him via keepsake

But ye it is

I'mma go Zeuuuus

[proper furnace]

Just get jolted/splitting bolt

[rare topaz]

ye

inshallah

[plain river]

anyhow try to grab aphrodite flourish if you can

[rare topaz]

Something something

[proper furnace]

If you can take zeus call- ye go aphro

[rare topaz]

Smair

[proper furnace]

You know it

[rare topaz]

Uhhh

Zeus again or Chaos?

I miss Chaos

But Zeus

[plain river]

it's also biggest damage for kinetic launcher demeter

[rare topaz]

argh imma go Zeus I think

[plain river]

I think

[rare topaz]

Oh dang

[proper furnace]

Would go for zeus too ye

[rare topaz]

I miss you Chaos

[proper furnace]

Just get a light of ixion later

Ez

[rare topaz]

OHOHOHO

Epic Static Discharge!

GG

[proper furnace]

Gg lol

If athena shows uo grabbing her cas can be fun

[plain river]

aphrodite flourish has biggest damage % so it does the most on kinetic launcher with demeter unless something else is better?

[proper furnace]

Idk just crit all shots with a massive chaos boost prob better

[rare topaz]

Should I level Static Discharge or Attack?

[proper furnace]

Jolted def

[plain river]

discharge

[rare topaz]

Bet

Oooh

Ares worth it?

[proper furnace]

Lvl 4-5 is fine then pomming other things

Blade dash is cool

But wouldnt take it personally

[plain river]

vengeful mood

[rare topaz]

hehe

heart time

Athena!

[proper furnace]

Cast fun, Ddash the usual

Tho smair athena call kinda safe lol

[rare topaz]

Divine Flourish, Athena's Aid, Sure Footing

Tempted to reroll

[rare topaz]

Safe buuuut do I need safety

[proper furnace]

Lul fair

[rare topaz]

ye

[proper furnace]

Eh il take sure footing there

[rare topaz]

reroll time

wh

[proper furnace]

Unpommable pog

[rare topaz]

Tbf

It's Epic

so that's

90% less damage taken from traps LOL

[proper furnace]

Just dont get hit

[rare topaz]

pft

sure footing then or reroll for le epic dash?

[proper furnace]

Unless you have heightened security

Eh il take footing

Keeos possible poms option clean

[rare topaz]

Alright

I take it back

Talos > Demeter

Should I risk the random boon? 👀

[plain river]

untrue

[rare topaz]

True

[plain river]

untrue

[rare topaz]

True + you don't decide my fun

:>

[proper furnace]

[rare topaz]

HEY

Okay, just for that

I'm gambling by buying the random boon

HAH

[proper furnace]

I mean is your run

[rare topaz]

Hello Aphro!

[rare topaz]

You seem to forget that luck is on my side

[proper furnace]

The power of Nyaanyaa carries

[rare topaz]

I rerolled bc nothing good, now hm

Better

[plain river]

How is it better?

[rare topaz]

Crush Shot, Dying Lament, Life Affirmation?

Or second reroll and spend all my dice?

[rare topaz]

I find it more fun

[proper furnace]

More fun for them

[plain river]

Hmm

[proper furnace]

Too late

[proper furnace]

Always a fan of early life affirmation

[rare topaz]

Bet

ty

Well

My boss pool is Athena, Zeus, Aphro. Should I force anyone in here?

[plain river]

I'd try to force the aphro flourish

[rare topaz]

Bet

also "boss pool" nice one

Am off playing for now

Tysm for all the help fam

[plain river]

is there a good way to play with rush kick?

I need to grab it for a minor prophecy and I want to know which aspect I should grab or which boons go nicely with it

[proper furnace]

I dont think i ever seen builds related to it

Ig just play with any fists (except talos as is incompatible iirc) and grab it if you see it

[plain river]

I'm gonna assume it works the way I don't want it to for demeter

heavy knuckle, colossus knuckle, or rolling knuckle?

pretty sure heavy knuckle is off the table with demeter gloves actually

so colossus knuckle or rolling knuckle?

[dreamy prism]

use with demeter and that's about it

it's not the best special hammer but it's funny

[random relic]

rolling knuckle pretty decent iirc

[plain river]

If I have the double push pos legendary and sea storm do they work together?

[proper furnace]

Ye

[plain river]

Is there any weapon aspect where demeter attack or special is good

[dreamy prism]

chiron dem special is decent

hestia is okay with dem attack, can get good chill going

[proper furnace]

Eris wr (modded ofc) has rare frost flourish iirc

And no dash

Is basically a decent option with some rarity but not smth you should base the build

[valid dagger]

Chances are, when your ideal option for Attack or Special is Aphrodite, then a high rarity Demeter or Athena are also viable

[quasi briar]

challenge: find everything wrong with this picture https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/722911776601014383/985327166713630801/20220611163708_1.jpg

[proper furnace]

Nice mirage pre requisite

Good old "flood shot" too

[quasi briar]

yeah idk why it's not flood flare

[proper furnace]

Is a common display bug

[dreamy prism]

using antos

lmao jk love antos

[quasi briar]

I'm trying to get the codex entry lol

[dreamy prism]

nah antos is great

[plain river]

Whats faster, adamant rail base or lucifer?

[proper furnace]

Faster as in speedruns?

[plain river]

as in fire rate

I want to figure out which would apply demeter status effect faster

[proper furnace]

Word of advice then

Dont

Is awful from experience

[plain river]

true

I'm just trying to figure out how to go after the legendary demeter boon for a minor prophecy

[proper furnace]

You think that with 75% global dmg artic blast eris would be decent
Well is not

Eh just slap any dem boon you have for the requisites

Basically anything from her opens the t2 for then the legendary

[clever phoenix]

use Legacy as well

[visual jungle]

Anyone know how far is "distant" for things like Orpheus keepsake/sniper shot?

[valid dagger]

Far enough to not consider taking either in any situation

I don't really know exactly how far it is

[visual jungle]

Oh, maybe I could test it on skelly

[valid dagger]

Yea you can

In general, just the way the combat is in the game, you want to be close to enemies

So something like Point-Blank Shot is much much stronger than Sniper Shot

[visual jungle]

Yeah I never take the distant stuff. But just for messing around purposes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/892976012273516604/985528604920250368/2022-06-12_08-57-48.jpg

this far!

[lucid oar]

I think it’s around about the same as sniper shot

So, quite far away

[visual jungle]

I have no idea how this happened but i used aphro greater call when i was alone with the final phase of lernie (just the one big head left) and the shot looped around a few times before missing entirely 😐

[lucid oar]

Ouch

[cunning urchin]

The heads are out of reach of most attacks for most of the duration of the head slams.

So it's best to time a Call after the head slams if you can.

[charred hemlock]

I cannot use the gun at all

[visual jungle]

oh I had no idea! Thanks for the tip!

[visual jungle]

U can do it! 💪

[charred hemlock]

I keep forgetting I need to r eload

[hallow geyser]

It reloads automatically

[plain river]

Use adamant rail enough and it becomes second nature

To the point where I still hit reload even with delta chamber or lucifer endless magazine

[turbid needle]

Anyone know a good build for chiron

[plain river]

I’ve had aphro attack, dio special and artemis cast work for me

Pick up relentless and concentrated shot if you can get your hands on them

[valid dagger]

Artemis Cast isn't very relevant there

It's just the Special and the Attack

[plain river]

it was really for the duos

[valid dagger]

And try to get Low Tolerance

Yea

You want Low Tolerance

So you dont open other duos

Splitting Headache doesnt do much and Heartrend off of the cast is pretty bad aswell

[plain river]

low tolerance, heart rend and artemis plus dio duo work really well IF you get them together, but it isn’t consistent enough

[valid dagger]

If you want another duo that works with Hangover and doesnt conflict with Low Tolerance take Vengeance from Ares, that opens up Curse of Nausea

[cunning urchin]

But it also hurts your chances for Low Tolerance.

[valid dagger]

Also having pstatus on the mirror is pretty nice

[cunning urchin]

Definitely Privileged Status for that build, yeah.

[valid dagger]

Yea but it's good atleast

Unlike Splitting and Heartrend imo

In that build

[cunning urchin]

Splitting Headache + Hunter's Mark is very nice.

Get Low Tolerance in your build before you worry about getting another Duo anyway.

And by then you don't really get to choose anyway, you just make the best of what gods are already in your pool.

So like, if Lady Artemis already showed up, you'd maybe aim for Splitting Headache.

If Lord Ares showed up, you'd see if you can throw in Curse of Nausea.

[valid dagger]

Can also easily just PP + Mark instead

[cunning urchin]

You could.

If Lord Zeus showed up, you'd say screw Splitting Headache and Curse of Nausea, I'll get Smoldering Air.

[plain river]

Does doom damage get affected by privledged status if it’s one of the 2 effects giving privledge status?

[proper furnace]

Ye

[marsh radish]

which keepsake should i take with rama and which boons to look out for ?

[proper furnace]

#h1-builds-and-combat message by Mike

[marsh radish]

thx

[plain river]

Pos cast still does knockback if you have pos+dem duo right?

[plain river]

Is +30% special speed on chiron enough to keep on stacking concentrated?

[proper furnace]

ye

[plain river]

Oh it definitely is, I’m seeing numbers rocket to 1600 when I’m in the sweetspot of arro travel time

[lucid oar]

Yeah it’s pretty bonkers

[plain river]

Unfortunately I didn’t get relentless volley, but I can’t go wrong with piercing can I?

[proper furnace]

iirc it reduces the range of your volley?

i dont remember why but i've seen it mentioned in the speedrun server

[tight basin]

I think it does, I remember thinking at one point that the special seemed shorter

[plain river]

I think it fricks up the timing

[dreamy prism]

I still like it tbh

helps a ton in elysium

also gives some grouped damage which chiron desperately welcomes

[plain river]

It feels like it flipped the timing up

[proper furnace]

lack of breaking wave issue

[plain river]

I haven’t been able to hit the multivolley since I picked it up for some reason

no matter the range I can’t get the multivolley, something is off, piercing volley is something I’ll avoid in the future

How do I build non-guan yu spears?

I feel at a complete loss when using them

[proper furnace]

Hades - exploding launcher + charged skewer, similar to GY, can run ME
zag either exploding + charged again or flurry jab
Achilles: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/

[dreamy prism]

surely getting two specific hammers is not the best way to build

[plain river]

its getting 1 specific hammer

flurry

[proper furnace]

no much else you can do with it

i think the worst part is that Hades buff doesnt affect the spin

[plain river]

So uh

Serrated point, breaching skewer or vicious skewer on achilles

serrated point surely?

[proper furnace]

reset 🔫 (jk)
i dont like serrated at all

less iframes. longer animation and if you then get flurry it has the same problem as flurry slash

[plain river]

Serrated point feels like something I’ll only ever like on guan yu when garbage second options

[proper furnace]

outside of the joke i think serrated is an option for Achilles

maybe you will like it? idk

[plain river]

doesn’t giving up means its the same seed still?

Won’t I just rerun into the same hammer options

[proper furnace]

yup

when i mean reset i mean die

or win, which results in death at the end of the day

[plain river]

Would the seed change if I were to say… mix up my pact of punishment?

[proper furnace]

nope

[plain river]

fun

[dreamy prism]

lmao rip spear

[dreamy prism]

depends on when the hammer is

if it's later than very early in tartarus it's likely to be other options

[proper furnace]

and if you swap aspects it may swap the options (for ch1 hammer at least)

[plain river]

I’m walking into the fury fight with heroic deadly strike, epic heartbreak flourish, heart rend, rare hunters mark and a purple caustic ambush

But unfortunately triple kab cuz no flurry

just no sure what to go for next

[proper furnace]

Pos keepsake for tidal dash

[plain river]

Yeah

I kind of didn’t switch back to pos trinket after I gave up so it was a new seed

[dreamy prism]

I think I once walked into fury fight with a lvl1 common passion flare and nothing else

[random relic]

imagine uc

[plain river]

I just got two “the next boon you have is increased rarity” from the same well

Will it increase the next one to atleast purple? Or the next 2 to atleast blue

[proper furnace]

Next 2

[plain river]

Ay I got that flurry jab

[acoustic vale]

It seems to me that the hammer is usually not worth taking unless your specific build really really needs a specific hammer

[plain river]

Huh?

Why would you not take a hammer

[acoustic vale]

To me it seems like usually other rewards are less likely to kill your run

[plain river]

its only not worth it if you’re building for casts I guess

[acoustic vale]

Then again maybe that's just because I usually use sword and fist which have some bad hammers on the heats I play

[valid dagger]

You still want the first hammer regardless

[plain river]

Or the other room option is like more worth it