h1-builds-and-combat

[lucid oar]

If you get unavoidable boon chambers in styx, you’re basically screwed unfortunately

[thick trench]

damn bruh

[tight basin]

Are you using the mirror thing where you can change the room outcome

[tawny fern]

I'm having trouble with Zeus shield, is Zag shield as good or should I train more with Zeus shield?

[lucid oar]

They’re both pretty good with the right build and play style

What are you struggling with?

[tawny fern]

The return of the special with Zeus

[lucid oar]

Yeah that takes a lot to get used to

Well, zag shield with charged shot or pulverising blow is quite powerful

Get a nice chunky % attack and you’re basically good to go

[worn solar]

for zeus shield i usually just yoyo the thing back and forth for enemies in front of me

[tawny fern]

What is the best shield?

[lucid oar]

For speedrunning Beowulf

[worn solar]

zeus and beo ig are the strongest in general zag is quite hammer dependent. chaos is funny

[tawny fern]

I tried using Beo and hate it

I have a bad habit of never using the shield charge tho

[lucid oar]

It’s hard to get used to

But insanely powerful when you do

[tawny fern]

Shield charge feels so slow

[lucid oar]

Yeah that’s the main DPS from it lol

[tawny fern]

I think because Zag shield is so quick and slowing it down changes the way I play

[tight basin]

It's slow but can 1 shot waves

And can insta-phase bosses

With enough poms and correct boons ofc

Well for Beowulf at least

[worn solar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/911780183437086790/Hades_2021-11-20_16-44-30.mp4

nope

[gloomy haven]

Is there a specific companion thats "better" to use with Aegis?

[dreamy prism]

lol still meg tbh

[valid dagger]

Meg is considered the best companion overall because she is easy to aim, covers a great area and her damage is really high

[tawny fern]

I've always used Dusa because I like her . Is it optimal? Probably not but she's great.

[lucid oar]

It’s not optimal for speedrunning

I can’t say much for high heat since I barely use her

[shell sleet]

meg is just optimal for both

im pretty sure

[hallow geyser]

For me I think it would be better of I just hit normally

Trying to only dash strike was awkward

But I just got the third death defiance and I think things will be different

What is the best glove aspect

And does anyone have a good build for it

[valid dagger]

Dash strikes are correct on every weapon

Standing strikes are almost always clunkier

Demeter fists are considered the strongest fists aspect

You can go for the usual Merciful End build with Ares on Attack, Athena on Special

If not then just look for flat damage on the Attack and any % boost on the Special

With maybe Divine Dash for safety

And a decent dps call to back up your damage because it's most likely gonna fall off eventually

[hallow geyser]

So is it worth it to use a god keepsake in Tartarus

[hallow geyser]

Like pos for example?

[valid dagger]

Poseidon is decent

Ideally you'd pair it with Rip current and some poms

[hallow geyser]

What about cast

[valid dagger]

The best dps calls are Poseidon and Dionysus

[hallow geyser]

What is rip current

[valid dagger]

Not worth usually, there are better picks

On fists that is

[valid dagger]

A T2 that unlocks after you take Poseidon's Call, it makes it last longer and it sucks enemies in

[valid dagger]

Yes

If you want a good build

You should start with a God

An Olympian God

That is not Hermes

[hallow geyser]

Ares

[valid dagger]

Ares is good

Start with his attack and pom it up

And look for Athena and more Ares afterwards

[hallow geyser]

So just use the normal cast?

I use boiling blood

Also what about the hammers

[valid dagger]

Yea you dont really need a specific cast, if you do pick one and you're shooting for a certain Duo make sure it doesn't interfere with that, as in it doesn't open other unnecessary duos

As for hammers your best picks are Breaching Cross, Explosive Upper and Kinetic Launcher

Those are the most impactful ones

Other good ones are Colossus for damage reduction, Concentrated is okay-ish, wont do much, the rest is just meh

[hallow geyser]

Then do you recommend any duos to aim for

[valid dagger]

Avoid Heavy Knuckle because it makes your attack slower

And Rush Kick makes your Special clunky

[valid dagger]

Merciful End on fists is very strong, the strongest build you can get

But it requires some specific cores

[hallow geyser]

How do you get that

[valid dagger]

Which makes it inconsistent compared to other builds

You start with Ares Attack and pom that up as much as possible, it is your main source of damage, try to look for Athena in Tartarus, if you do see her take her Special, those 2 cores open up ME so it becomes eligible to get offered by either of those 2 gods

And force Athena in Asphodel

For her Dash

Merciful End makes your deflect boons proc Doom right away

Which makes a dash strike apply doom on the enemy then proc it right away due to Divine Dash

[hallow geyser]

What is ME

[valid dagger]

Merciful End

[hallow geyser]

What is proc too?

[valid dagger]

If you have a full mirror, and a decent idea of how you should make your decisions you should get it rather consistently, it's just about when you get it in the run

Proc means activate

[hallow geyser]

I still don't have full mirror

[valid dagger]

A full mirror helps a lot, you can still go for it, it's up to you, but again, you might not get it consistently

There are simpler things to try

If you just want a clear

They might not be as good in terms of dps but they will do enough for you to win

[hallow geyser]

Like what?

[valid dagger]

You can start with Zeus and take his Attack, afterwards look for a % increase on the Special so Artemis Aphrodite ideally, avoid Poseidon's Special, look for the usual Zeus Athena Dio throughout Tartarus, and force Athena in Asphodel for her Dash, it's safe and really nice to have on melee aspects

That's the general gist of it, you can look for things like Static Discharge from Zeus, its really what scales your damage for the later biomes with beefier enemies, his Call potentially (or Dio as mentioned above)

You just want a lot of Zeus afterwards

Builds that start with Zeus usually just synergize with more Zeus

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/981148024527028264/Discord_11bAFNr8Ng.png

Something like this is a very top tier fists build

You dont need everything in here

But it's got the essentials that I mentioned, a % boost Special so Artemis, the crits are very nice, Zeus attack with Jolted, I also had the Call here and Double strike so that's very good

[hallow geyser]

But how do I ensure I find Athena In Tartarus

[valid dagger]

You dont have to

But if you do, make sure you take her, I'm just listing the good things that you can look for

So Zeus then 3-4 gods afterwards that can all offer you decent things

Surely you can find one of them in Tart

But if not, dont stress it

Just force Athena in Asphodel and you can find more gods there

[hallow geyser]

I will try

[valid dagger]

In Shops etc

[hallow geyser]

So obols or max health

I always go for max health whatever is the other thing

Is that right?

[valid dagger]

Well that's too much of a vague question, you have to decide for yourself whether you value safety that early, having obols early is quite nice to get your build going, and afford things in shops etc

[blissful barn]

wich one is better Lucifer or Arthur?

[unreal tree]

Its like comparing apples to oranges

[blissful barn]

I know but I need to make a choise

[unreal tree]

In titan blood?

[blissful barn]

Yeah

[unreal tree]

Arthur'e probably better if you're less experienced

[acoustic vale]

Choose Arthur

[blissful barn]

Ok thanks

[hallow geyser]

@valid dagger tysm tysm I DID IT with that ME build, and the big surprise is I used zero death defiance

[valid dagger]

Well done

[sterile fiber]

I have a few hundred hours and never understood Arthur

[proven osprey]

yeah people can be like that

[hallow geyser]

@valid dagger does the first ME build work for heat, low heat not high

[lucid oar]

Yes it works as long as you get ME and divine dash

It can work even up to 50 heat

[tight basin]

ME prob works at high heat

yeah

[valid dagger]

It also works on other weapons

On sword it’s very nice

[tight basin]

close quarters weapons can utilize ME pretty effectively because you're dashing through enemies a lot

[hallow geyser]

What are good sword hammers?

Also how to use special

No aspect

[valid dagger]

Double Edge is the strongest hammer

On non-Arthur swords

[hallow geyser]

It is Infront me rn

[valid dagger]

Your rotation should be something like Special followed by 2 dash strikes

Then repeat

And throw a cast on beefier enemies and bosses for boiling blood

[tight basin]

what does double edge do? i'm not too familiar with names

is that the one where dash strike hits twice?

[valid dagger]

Makes your dash strike hit twice

And does a bit more damage

[hallow geyser]

20%

[valid dagger]

Yea it’s something

When running Merciful End you don’t rely on it as much

Because your Doom is whats carrying your damage

[tight basin]

i dont think any of the hammers benefit a ME build that much

from what i remember anyways

[valid dagger]

It’s strong to hit breakpoints

Before you have Merciful End

On Nemesis it’s more noticeable than others because of the innate crit chance, your attack does a substantial amount with Dedge even on an ME build

[tight basin]

i mean true but in the overall ME build a hammer isn't really that necessary

with nemesis i think the dash strike hammer is much more helpful tho

[hallow geyser]

What is nemesis? Is aspect

[tight basin]

sword aspect

[valid dagger]

Yes

[tight basin]

the second one i believe

at lvl 1 after your special you get 4 seconds for a 15% crit, which is pretty good

lvl 5 is 30%

[hallow geyser]

But why does dash strike feel too clunky on sword

The basic attack feels more agile

[valid dagger]

It might have to do with your inputs, sword requires some good precision and takes a lot of practice to truly master, try to be more deliberate, it’ll feel that way when starting out

[tight basin]

i think the issue with the basic attack is that you're just standing still

and it's a relatively long combo with slash, slash, thrust

[valid dagger]

The damage isn’t as good either

When you have your full build your dash strike is also gonna feel a lot better

Because it’ll apply doom and proc ME

[hallow geyser]

Yh I only have doom

[tight basin]

with dash strike, dash strike, special, and repeat, you're always gonna be dealing out damage without a big gap in between

[valid dagger]

But if you try to do that with standing strikes it’s really slow

[dreamy prism]

that's why the best ME build imo is revenge doom + holy shield

[acoustic vale]

Iirc none of this applies to Arthur specifically

[valid dagger]

In earlier stages make sure you utilize your cast and try to learn breakpoint for Doom tagging

Doom sword in Tartarus is very technical and requires good knowledge of the breakpoints

[dreamy prism]

same with ME fists I assume

[valid dagger]

Applies even more when speedrunning but these are weapon and build fundamentals afterall

[valid dagger]

Yes

This is mostly for non-Arthur swords

ME on Arthur is something

[acoustic vale]

Iirc on Arthur you don't want to dash strike for reasons I don't remember

[lucid oar]

You do

In speedruns at least

[acoustic vale]

...why did someone tell me not to do it then?

[dreamy prism]

you'd need dedge to make dstrike arthur good huh

[lucid oar]

Yep

[dreamy prism]

but I know it's still good regardless as a faster damage option

[valid dagger]

Yep, it’s how you use Doom effectively, especially when you don’t have big base damage to back it up, like the fists attack, it tickles enemies, and in general when you’re on a melee weapon, navigating from enemy to enemy or just in big rooms is very time consuming because you have to get way closer to enemies so it makes sense to do something like tag a Witch or Brimstone or something then just go straight for another enemy and let the Doom take care of the first one

[dreamy prism]

yep yep makes sense

hence also the recommendation not to completely ignore beo special at least in tartarus

[valid dagger]

They are clunkier, and Arthur standing attack, unlike other swords, are actually quite usable, you can drag your sword between combos to make it less clunky too, so yea both playstyles are fine here

[valid dagger]

Yea Beo Special is quite nice in Tartarus, especially before hammer

[dreamy prism]

I found it useful in my arthur experimenting to take dedge over most hammer options excluding stuff like shadow/breaching and greater consecration

then use dstrike for small stuff

[valid dagger]

Some rooms have small enemies on opposite corners for example, they’re annoying and not worth a bullrush so using your Special is good to take care of them quickly

[dreamy prism]

lol those stupid mine laying enemies that hide in corners are so annoying

[valid dagger]

And sometimes you just cant group up everything in one Charged Shot so you snipe an enemy every now and then whenever you get the chance

Yea they can be, thankfully I have the Colorblind mod for that

[dreamy prism]

op

[valid dagger]

Since it outlines enemies so I rarely struggle to see things

[dreamy prism]

I should turn that on then

[acoustic vale]

...I should install that mod

[dreamy prism]

it fixes so much dumb crap that I'm shocked ended up in final game

like skippable cutscenes

[acoustic vale]

I'm not colorblind, but I have other image processing issues that make tracking enemies hard

[valid dagger]

It is very configurable and it’s leaderboard legal so I just use it all the time

[acoustic vale]

Where do I find this mod?

[valid dagger]

Cant seem to link the actual thing since I’m on mobile and it’s showing me the download prompt instead so here: https://www.speedrun.com/hades/resources scroll down a bit, it’s posted by Museus, you might need to check out a guide if you havent installed mods before, if you need extra assistance you can join the Modding Discord pinned in #self-promotion

[hallow geyser]

Yh they just hide under towers during troves

[worn bluff]

Would merciful end chiron bow be decent?

Ares on attack athena on special?

[tight basin]

Doesnt seem like it imo

The beauty with ME on fists and sword is you can proc it with dashes and you're always dashing through

With bow the time between hits is a bit longer

By the time the special lands there's a decent chance the doom already hit

[worn bluff]

Fair

Also is lernie skip still a thing?

[visual jungle]

just curious, do u have other examples? Of stuff you were shocked about in the final game

[dreamy prism]

• sack rng (should at least be locked to two chambers by TD3)
• three instead of four core boons as first choice
• massive miniboss rng discrepancies (asterius vs ball)

[visual jungle]

Oh that makes sense, i always avoid miniboss rooms in elysium bc i dont wanna fight asterius lol

[visual jungle]

that second point, do you mean in the first chamber when you get your first boon?

[dreamy prism]

I love his character as a solo encounter not influenced by asterius

but as a miniboss he's stronger by an absurd amount compared to ball which is a big joke

[dreamy prism]

yes, modpack ensures first boon gives you all four core choices so you don't get unlucky and need to reroll

[visual jungle]

Wait sorry what do you mean by core choices?

You mean like the boon selection screen shows 4 instead of 3? :o

[dreamy prism]

yep

as it stands if you're missing all four cores and pick up a main god, you're guaranteed to get offered 3/4 of them

modpack gives you 4/4

[visual jungle]

oh ty for explanation!

||i am not entirely sure what the significance of that is though jshkhdfks||

oh ig so its fair between runs?

[dreamy prism]

let's say I wanna play hestia

I equip aphro's keepsake and head in

first boon is aphro and she offers special, cast, dash

now I need to reroll so she offers attack which isn't even guaranteed then

if I get attack I'm now at 3 rerolls instead of 4 just off of a 25% chance of bad luck

which is just really really dumb

[visual jungle]

Ohh ok

Im not in the speedrunning community so im not really familiar with the norms there i guess? like, how much rng is acceptable ... when it is a roguelike game after all

i always felt like its weird to try and go for specific builds? bc you never really know what youll be offered

[dreamy prism]

I'm not really too familiar with speedrunning myself, I mostly care about high heat

the modpack isn't built for high heat but it's still really useful there

for instance if I have a great build going and then get 5 sacked I might lose just because of that due to tight deadline and the awful nonboss styx final chambers

and what that means is that without the mod, there's like a 50% chance the run just suffers and it's completely out of your control

[visual jungle]

ig that makes sense, the community accepts a sort of standard as to what random aspects could be done without. but then i guess everyone (who wants to speedrun) has to have the pack installed so its fair?

[dreamy prism]

what's nice is that there's a separation

if you use the mod you compete in a modded leaderboard

if you don't you compete in an unmodded leaderboard

so you suffer no disadvantage relative to others by not using the mod, just your sanity maybe from awful rng lol

[visual jungle]

ohh thats nice! I was thinking if theres like a tournament or something, maybe itd be in the requirements to get the mod so its even

[dreamy prism]

I'm not well versed in speedrunning tournaments tbh

[proper furnace]

There is also things lime barge of the death/asterius/tony vermin being so much of a time waste to other minibosses

[dreamy prism]

but I assume there are or at least were modded and unmodded tournaments

[proper furnace]

The gdq race had a variation of the mod pack

[dreamy prism]

what were diffs?

[proper furnace]

Cant see fountains, some minibosses still in place

I think 3 sack instead?

[dreamy prism]

interesting

3 or 2-3 sack?

[proper furnace]

Cant remember

Probably can ask in the speedrun server

[dreamy prism]

if forced 3 that makes sense to ensure you saw both styx minibosses

makes it more interesting

[visual jungle]

not that balance changes are likely to be made at this point, but does anyone think some of the underworld pals' keepsakes could use buffs? i dont think ive ever seen anyone say they use like, meg's keepsake, nyx, orpheus...

[cunning urchin]

Yeah. Skull Earring is a common pick at high heat, though.

[dreamy prism]

dusa's is the most egregious of the bunch imo

it's basically the only keepsake screwed over by two common heats aka LC and TD

and even at full capacity I think it's awful

[visual jungle]

Oh true

yeah i was thinking about hers too, but i guess its hard to balance getting random healing items?? Idk

[cunning urchin]

Black Shawl, Pierced Butterfly, Distant Memory, and Harpy Feather Duster could all use some buffs.

[dreamy prism]

it should at least be every x pots imo

[cunning urchin]

I think the current limit of 1 per room is very unnecessary.

[dreamy prism]

are you sure a limit per room exists?

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

[dreamy prism]

weird

[visual jungle]

whaat really?? Oh that is lame

[dreamy prism]

bracer could also use a buff imo

[cunning urchin]

Healing from snacks being %-based ironically makes it stronger the less you need it. Like if you have high max HP, you heal for more, but you also have much less use for healing.

[dreamy prism]

although I think it's better than the others

[cunning urchin]

Could probably use a buff, yeah, but Bracer is decent in some tank builds at least.

So there's a niche for it.

[dreamy prism]

I'm fairly certain duster snacks are +10hp

[proper furnace]

What is bracer again? dmg reduction front, more dmg from behind?

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, that.

[dreamy prism]

30% less front, 10% less back

[cunning urchin]

Those aren't based on max HP? Idk, what's healing anyway.

Snacks always heal me for 0% of my max HP.

[dreamy prism]

well bouldy drops are +10hp I know that

and dusters are too

[cunning urchin]

There's no niche for Distant Memory. Pierced Butterfly would be a lot more fun if it was kinda busted once you're close to beating a no-hit run instead of mostly just being for memes as it is now. Black Shawl is... well, it does something that Distant Memory doesn't in that it does anything at all.

[dreamy prism]

yeah just checked duster drops are fixed hp

[visual jungle]

wait what are the pierced butterfly memes

[cunning urchin]

Using it for no-hit runs for fun, pretty much.

I don't think it's actually bad for no-hit since the damage bonus is global. Just it's not particulary satisfying and you'll do better damage controlling your build instead.

[dreamy prism]

if your first boon is natural aphro attack you can probably equip it for a good time on damageless

or like chiron dio?? since that's a safe build that benefits strongly from global +% in contrast to hestia

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, that one would probably work. Extremely niche.

[visual jungle]

Oh i see. Yeah it isnt super significant of a bonus i guess? I personally find it satisfying though when i can level it up a lot haha. Also i thought it was supposed to be for no-hit runs anyway?? Or thats the idea?

[dreamy prism]

the main problem with it is that it's a relatively small percent boost

[cunning urchin]

Yes, but point is the keepsake specifically designed for no-hit isn't the best for no-hit.

[dreamy prism]

on the safest aspect in the game, hestia, the meta is to put a big percent attack on it

[visual jungle]

Ooo

[dreamy prism]

and having that means the butterfly buff is less significant

[cunning urchin]

It's like if Acorn, which only actually does anything during boss fights, wasn't the best for survivability in boss fights... then it would just be obsolete.

[dreamy prism]

global +% like what butterfly provides is best on builds that either want low +% like artemis, or base damaging sources like zeus dio ares and casts

[cunning urchin]

I don't think it requires much of a buff to be satisfying even.

I think Black Shawl would be best reworked to give a boost to Darkness that you pick up, for example.

[visual jungle]

Oh i love that idea!

[hallow geyser]

Guys does anyone know a good bow build no aspect

Playstyle and hammers

[hallow geyser]

How do you reroll? Quit?

[valid dagger]

You can use fated persuasion to reroll boons, wells and poms

It’s the last mirror upgrade, green side

[valid dagger]

I can write something about this in a moment if nobody does, a little busy now

[hallow geyser]

Wells?

[valid dagger]

Wells = wells of charon or purging wells

[hallow geyser]

If you are busy don't write anything

[valid dagger]

The ones with items that last for X chambers etc

[hallow geyser]

Oh yh

You could reroll to get a DD replenish?

[valid dagger]

You can do that

You often spend rolls on other things tho

There are some weapons that can use Hourglass (Charon's Keepsake) and roll wells from Elysium onwards but it's not for DDs

It's for more damage

[hallow geyser]

Mike are you typing or is the keyboard up

Guys shouldn't incase you fulfill a duo requirement you get it in the next time 100%

[valid dagger]

Alright so the first thing you have to understand about the Bow in order for it to not feel clunky is Dash strikes and Powershots, if you hold your attack button for a brief moment, there is a quick flash, which is your cue to release the attack button to let out a Powershot, which does more damage, it also has a different sound which you can use to know whether you were successful or not, with enough time and practice this will be 100% instinct and you wont even think about it nor need the sound or the flash, the other basic thing is dash-striking, dash-strikes are important for the bow because it makes the attack charge faster, therefore getting to that Powershot window more quickly, which means you can let out more arrows compared to doing standing strikes only, the "giveaway" is that Powershots deal a bit less damage, however they have better scaling options through Chaos and Hunter Dash, since they benefit from Attack (strike) buffs and Dash-strike (lunge) buffs, standing attacks only benefit from Attack buffs. To make sure that you're dash striking you can look at the way Zag is holding the bow, if it's vertical then it's a dash strike, if it's horizontal then it's not, there is also quite a noticeable difference in terms of charging speed of the attack so it should be obvious which is which, these are things you have to familiarize yourself with in order to play bow well, it's sort of like a rhythm which you get used to eventually.

In terms of build and what to aim for, as already explained, the Attack is your major source of damage, and it's a rather slow hit with good base damage so you want to buff that up with % boost Gods, such as Artemis or Aphrodite, other gods such as Demeter Athena can work, avoid Poseidon, low % and the knockback is obnoxious.
To scale beyond that you're first looking at hammers, both hammers are very important on bows, you dont want to skip them, for your first the ideal options are one of Twin Shot or Triple Shot, Twin Shot is a comfy safe pick, Triple Shot incentivizes shotgunning to get all 3 arrows to hit, it's less safe but theoretically more damage, you have a handful of other options if those are not offered, the main 2 being Perfect Shot and Point Blank Shot, Perfect is good because powershots, Point Blank is good because you're usually gonna be playing up close and personal so you get the damage bonus very often, atleast you should, dont stress about getting it on every arrow you shoot. Two other decent hammers are worth considering here, the first is Flurry Shot, it removes the whole powershot mechanic, but your arrows come out quicker, it can be a bit tough to control but it's definitely strong when used well, the other hammer is Explosive Shot, which is the opposite of Flurry, it makes your Attack charge slower, but it has more aoe to it and does more damage in an area, both of those hammers change the playstyle quite a bit, I encourage you experiment to find out what's fun for you, but they're all good, the latter 2 are usually ones you want from your second hammer because they'll ramp up Twin or Triple Shot quite nicely but for first hammer they can struggle a bit

Now that we're done with hammers there are other things you can do to complement your build, first being Chaos and Hunter Dash, from Chaos you want any Strike or Lunge, and Hunter Dash is there to buff your dash strike damage further, those all will buff your attack and make it stronger, but you can also get external sources of flat damage going, such as Calls, Dionysus or Zeus are the preferred options for dps, some people also like Splash Dash, I'm personally not a big fan.
To start your run you can take Aphrodite's keepsake, she has the biggest % buff on the attack so getting that early is quite nice, and Weak is damage reduction so it'll help you survive, for Tartarus look for your first hammer, and any good gods to supplement your build, such as Zeus Dio Athena or an Artemis, for Call Call Call/Dash Dash respectively, in Asphodel you can force Artemis if you'd like her Dash, if you want more defensive options you can take Athena, from then onwards just wing it and make sure you get your second hammer and try to be always dash striking and powershotting, you'll be rewarded for positioning yourself properly and not getting interrupted often (as with all weapons tbh)

@hallow geyser

[valid dagger]

If you fulfill the requirements there is a chance of it being offered, here is a breakdown of how boons are offered by Nyaanyaa:
Boon RNG Manipulation:
(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fill all three slots with priority boons,
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (Jolted, Marked, Rupture, Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with whatever is available.

[hallow geyser]

Damn ty all these essays

[hallow geyser]

What is call call/dash dash can't get this part

[valid dagger]

As in Call from Zeus, Call from Dio, Call or Dash from Athena, Dash from Artemis, just whatever shows up and sounds good

Those are your best options in general

You can take other things like Zeus Cast for example, but it's not as good and will be mostly a side pick that wont do a lot of damage

Which is fine sometimes

You can't get everything you want every run

But it's good to shoot for something and know how important it is for your build, that way once you unlock rerolls or are presented with multiple decisions, you'll know which ones are more impactful and contribute more for your build

[hallow geyser]

Hey Mike I suggest copying these tips you give and putting them somewhere

[strange lark]

Like reddit

[hallow geyser]

Will save you writing essays in the future, and you will later have a good book actually

Just a doc is enough

That bow has very high damage

I have lunge Aphrodite on attack hunter dash explosive point blank shot

[valid dagger]

Nice

[hallow geyser]

Is Hermes counted in family status?

[shell sleet]

we all know theyre in dire need of the tips over there

[proper furnace]

Ye

[hallow geyser]

But not counted in the max god's?

4 gods without Hermes right?

[cunning urchin]

Right.

[proper furnace]

Hermes-chaos are excluded from the god pool ye

[hallow geyser]

And is chaos counted in family status

[proper furnace]

Nah

Ff specifies olympians iirc

[hallow geyser]

So each run you will get +25% damage

Nice

Does bonus damage apply to things like doom

[proper furnace]

Yeah its global dmg

[random relic]

i think its technically possible to get 45%

by getting 5 gods in tartarus and forcing the other 3

plus hermes

[shell sleet]

technically yea

but it would take some luck to pull off

[hallow geyser]

Yh by forcing

[lucid oar]

You’d need to have 3 unique gods before tartarus midshop, and offered a miniboss door and have a boon in the shop

[random relic]

yep

and have both of those be different gods lol

[dreamy prism]

I got all 8 gods once and it was awesome

45% FF >>> 40% PS

[feral night]

who did theseus summon

[dreamy prism]

sadly you can only force 7 by elysium I believe

so he did ares or whatever I was missing

[feral night]

man

[dreamy prism]

but yeah if you hack in all 8 he does arty I recall

[proper furnace]

You can also test it before dem appears

[hallow geyser]

Guys what if I was aiming for a build (ME fists) and things didn't go so well, how to deal with it

Like I am mid asphodel and didn't get sth for attack

Had 3 Athenas but no ddash

[tight basin]

Did you force ares at all?

[hallow geyser]

Yes

Ft Tartarus

Got cast special and some other thing

[tight basin]

Ah unfortunate

Well it's possible to beat the run without the attack but it'll just be difficult

[dreamy prism]

pro tip avoid ares cast

it puts his blade boons into his pool which make it harder to get what you want for ME

[hallow geyser]

It was special dash and cast

So took cast it was a must

[dreamy prism]

yeah I guess

if I had keys I'd reroll that to avoid cast/dash/aid

[tight basin]

You could pray for more ares in elysium and get ME before hades or say screw ares and take Dionysus for attack

But not getting ME when you're trying to build for it doesn't give you too much outs if it goes to crap

[dreamy prism]

the reason demeter fists is my pick for best ME candidate is that it can recover from not getting ME online

[hallow geyser]

No Dio

[dreamy prism]

since you still have a strong athena special

[tight basin]

Yeah

[hallow geyser]

Git Ares on attack finally

[tight basin]

Oh that's good

[hallow geyser]

It is the choice room

[dreamy prism]

corngrats

[hallow geyser]

Between Ares and athena

So if I get ddash it will be perfect

[tight basin]

Now pray for ME and ddash soon

[hallow geyser]

DDASH

but no ME

But still the run is horrible I used a DD in Tartarus

[dreamy prism]

with ddash and a decent attack + special you have a chance now

ddash is just op obviously

[strange lark]

losing a dd in tart is not horrible

[hallow geyser]

It is

[tight basin]

You don't necessarily need ME to win either

[valid dagger]

Can just buy it back

[tight basin]

It's just a lot faster and nicer

[hallow geyser]

A good run is where you loose your first DD against Theseus

[hallow geyser]

I kinda do

F*uck me

Got another duo instead of ME

Can I still get ME

[tight basin]

Yeah

[strange lark]

thats why you dont open other duos

also dont avoid swear filter

[hallow geyser]

Got hunter blades

[tight basin]

Wait hunting blades are actually amazing lmao

[hallow geyser]

[tight basin]

You could technically just ignore ME and win off of hunting blades

Spam the casts, run away, pick them up when you're done

[strange lark]

40 minute run 😎

[tight basin]

Win's a win lol

[strange lark]

true

[tight basin]

You also get a big number because it continuously hits

[hallow geyser]

Maybe I am lucky after all

And getting me won't hurt anyone

[proper furnace]

Late but taking dash still helps in tart and you can just sell it at the mid biome

[dreamy prism]

yep that's a crucial skill to know

that it's fine to take boons that'll tank your boon selection later on if you can sell it

[proper furnace]

Also tbh i would've resetted on the spot if i didnt have doom there lol

Or swap tl another weapon with the seed

[hallow geyser]

I don't have resets

You mean rerolls?

[strange lark]

reset means starting a new run

that means dying

[hallow geyser]

Yh

I did quit

Give up I mean

But those hunter blade are op

[hallow geyser]

I DID IT

[proper furnace]

Giving up still saves the same seed

[tight basin]

If you use Achilles aspect on spear the blades can deal a lot more damage

Also ares blade boons are pretty good

When all together

The legendary boon makes it ramp up damage per hit so a whole build around hunting blades can be extremely strong

Doesn't work too well in large rooms but in small rooms and against bosses, it shreds

[hallow geyser]

Guys why is it so rare to get a duo

I opened like 9 boons after achieving the requirements but no success

[feral night]

do you have god's legacy on

ah, no god's legacy, no fated persuasion

[tight basin]

sometimes you get it on your first try, sometimes you just never get it
it happens lol

[worn solar]

theres a lot of ways to increase your odds. having the same god keepsake increases the chances of getting a duo from them, god's legacy increases the chance, taking priority boons status effects and filling your core slots increases the chance of getting duos. yarn, refreshing nectar, and chaos rarity boons all increase the chance. fated persuasion gives you more attempts

[hallow geyser]

What is yarn

Refreshing nectar

What are these things

[worn solar]

item from charon well

[hallow geyser]

Also I had like four upgraded rarity boons

[worn solar]

buff option from eurydice

[hallow geyser]

I had it

[worn solar]

maybe youre just extremely unlucky

[hallow geyser]

I got one from the Styx boss room

And the 450 obol one

[worn solar]

what duo were you looking for and what prereqs did you have

[hallow geyser]

This tbh

[hallow geyser]

ME

I had curse of agony and divine flourish

[worn solar]

yeah just unlucky ig

[proper wharf]

Does chaos Strike boon affect dash-strike as well as attack?

[worn solar]

yep

[proper wharf]

Thank you

[hallow geyser]

Are you sure?

There is one for dash strike specifically

Lunge ig

[worn solar]

yeah

you can easily test it

dash strike boons apply to only dash strikes but pretty much any attack boon applies to both your dash strike and attack

[hallow geyser]

Yh

That is probably why dash strike booms have much higher %

[proper wharf]

I think some (all?) of the attack hammers do not buff dash strike

Sounds like all the attack boons do buff it

[proper furnace]

Cursed/shadow slash doesnt apply to dash strikes

[plain river]

Is there any specific boons I should be looking to pick up with aspect of demeter gauntlets? The one which has the special hit more times after 12 hits

[random relic]

depends on what build you want to go for

#h1-builds-and-combat message heres a guide by nyaanyaa for different builds

[plain river]

Also, are the things that increase your damage by percents multiplicative or additive

[proper furnace]

Most things are additive

[random relic]

i think just speed is multiplicative

[proper furnace]

Crits/trap dmg/move speed/dmg reduction is multi

[random relic]

oh well yeah those things

[proper furnace]

Speed being multi is so satisfying

[random relic]

yessss

[proper furnace]

Even on non routed lvls of it

[random relic]

3 ichors + rd is great

[dreamy prism]

speed being multiplicative is why zag sword is considered the best aspect in the game

source: trust me bro

[proper furnace]

High roll for bouldy move speed bonus

[random relic]

i go for ambiguity bonus myself

[plain river]

so like abysall flourish increasing my special damage by 46% and heartbreak flourish increasing it by 146% means 46+146=192% damage?

[dreamy prism]

yep

[random relic]

yep

[proper furnace]

There is 1 boon from aphro that adds additive dmg reduction iirc tho

Just remembered

[plain river]

weakness

or the other one

[dreamy prism]

stronger weak right

[proper furnace]

Ye

[valid dagger]

The one I sell half the time

[proper furnace]

The one i barely know it exists

[hallow geyser]

@plain river read here

[hallow geyser]

I need the best sword build and post its requirements

[valid dagger]

You can run the same Merciful End build as fists

[steep elm]

what's the best way to go about a crystal beam build? I still have to get the crystal clarity duo boon so I want to really go for it this time

[proper furnace]

Achilles, stygian soul, pray for chaos extra casts, if you get glaciar glare just pom it, always

If you get artic blast (needs another dem boon for that) pog

[steep elm]

thanks!

it looks really tedious to get up but very fun if you get it all

[proper furnace]

Yeah thats its main problem lol

Getting everything

Using charon keepsake to buy a ton of braids/stones is also good too

Grabbing artemis/aphro call can be fun as the beams generate call quickly

[proper wharf]

Fiery or shadow presence on nemesis?

[proper furnace]

I think speedruns run fiery? For buffed up specials

High heat i assume is shadow, tho idk

[proper wharf]

I've always run shadow but I'm wondering if fiery will bypass health thresholds on enough weaker enemies

I'm going for higher heat (23+) atm rather than speed

[proper furnace]

@unreal tree (srry for ping) you played nem no? Shadow or fiery for high neat nem?

[unreal tree]

shadow

[unreal tree]

also yes

[proper wharf]

[proper furnace]

Ty

[steep elm]

i got crystal clarity now but no additional casts and it's such a pain lol

[proper furnace]

What area you are in?

[steep elm]

just defeated hades, had 3 chaos gates with no luck and barely any hermes, also the cast was my only demeter boon i think

it was a horrible run lol

[proper furnace]

Crystal clarity moment

[steep elm]

not touching that again for a while

[proper furnace]

How were the charon wells at least?

[steep elm]

I didnt level up the keepsake yet so I just bought 3 chaos gates from it

[plain river]

Does the zeus flourish trigger on every hit from the seeking special bow? It looks to me like it isn’t

[valid dagger]

nope

1 time

2 times if the angle is right

Which it wont be most of the time

It's because of internal cooldowns

[plain river]

That sucks

Is there any particular call that works best with the zeus+aphrodite duo boon since it caps call at 25%?

[valid dagger]

Zeus

[proper furnace]

A lot of them are better as minor calls

So "yes"

[valid dagger]

Zeus Dio Athena even Poseidon

Those are usually what you want

Zeus is easy because he can just give you a call (which is required for the duo to show up) and his core also fills the requirement

[dreamy prism]

and arty is awful

[valid dagger]

And his Call can dish out the most damage given a few other Zeus boons and maybe a pom or 2

[dreamy prism]

wait how does arty with smair work

does it overfill to the next gauge a little

[valid dagger]

I think so

[dreamy prism]

wack

[valid dagger]

But it's a pretty bad combo regardless

[dreamy prism]

obviously lol

[valid dagger]

Because lesser Arty calls are what we call

iframes only

[dreamy prism]

100 damage epic

[proper furnace]

Arty cast but on your call slot

[dreamy prism]

and no boiling

[valid dagger]

It can probably do okay-ish with a pom or two and maybe if you have Heartrend

But it's too niche of a scenario

Aside from that you pretty much use it for iframes or save for a full call

[dreamy prism]

if I'm forced onto arty call I tend to just use it for billowing and second wind tbh

especially on non zeus aspects

[random relic]

more importantly, how would smair work with hades call

[lucid oar]

Incompatible

[plain river]

Is there a cooldown on the legendary zeus boon if you’re using lightning strike on adamant rail with mega attack speed?

[random relic]

ah ok

[dreamy prism]

yeah which sucks

[hallow geyser]

Hades call?

[lucid oar]

From memory it’s 0.25s

[hallow geyser]

Is there Hades boon

[dreamy prism]

I don't think there's any way to cheese sigil smair

[plain river]

No

[lucid oar]

Nvm seems to be 0.2s

I’d say so

[hallow geyser]

It seems so

[plain river]

I can’t remember how to put spoiler text on mobile so I won’t respond

[hallow geyser]

Don't answer

[plain river]

Anything work particularly well with aspect of lucifer? I was thinking maybe demeter

[hallow geyser]

I have beaten Hades 4 times, 3 at heat, is it near

[lucid oar]

Zeus on attack and triple bomb

[plain river]

Anything particularly potent when using aspect of gilgamesh gloves?

[proper furnace]

Tidal dash only

Can run ME same as other fists

Also swap to RR on the mirror

[split mulch]

For Gilgamesh, getting doom on special attack can be insane, and getting additional doom boons to amplify it plus hammer that boosts Maim by 25%

[hallow geyser]

Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh isn't a Greek myth

[proper furnace]

Doom on special

Using maim

[strange lark]

hidden aspects arent from greek myths

like arthur

lucifer

rama

[proper furnace]

BeOwOlf

[hallow geyser]

Rama indian

But Arthur? Roman?

[plain river]

Lucifier

[hallow geyser]

Also Lucifer isn't a certain category

[plain river]

Would be king arthur england

right?

[proper furnace]

Ye

[hallow geyser]

I know he is English, but it is still a Roman myth

[plain river]

It is? radical

[feral night]

king arthur is british
there is no king arthur in roman mythologies

[acoustic vale]

The closest it gets to being roman is Arthur started a war with Rome in some of the stories

Honestly king Arthur is basically half french

[plain river]

hoarding slash hammer is a flat boost to sword damage right?

so it works on flurry slash well?

[worn solar]

yeah

dont see why it wouldn't

[strange lark]

It just doesn't work well on anything

But it doesn't hurt you so

[neat mauve]

ok i'm sad

i got arthur and guan yu but they're just so SLOW do i have to live with this?? what works to alleviate this?

or have i just been spoiled

[feral night]

try dashing in between standing strikes for arthur

and try waiting until it's level 5 for guan yu

[proper furnace]

And ignore the attack for the most part

[random relic]

yes, guan yu is mainly played with special, spin, and dash strikes

no standing strikes

[neat mauve]

i see. thanks for the tips

[worn solar]

https://imgur.com/a/6ickiUT do the spin

embeds...

https://imgur.com/a/6ickiUT

[neat mauve]

and what precisely enables such carnage...

assuming those are hammers

[worn solar]

lemme find build

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/912425963814531092/Hades_11_22_2021_11_34_36_AM.png

only requires a lot of boons

[neat mauve]

ahh, massive spin. makes sense

i see i see

[worn solar]

usually the easy build for guan yu is just charged skewer and spam aphro special

or just generic merciful end stuff

[neat mauve]

i getcha now. cool

[hoary sorrel]

Remember it is slow, but it is functionally aoe

Arthur can put out higher functional dps than the other swords in certain cases simply by hitting more targets with single swings

[tight basin]

is the hammer for sturdy spin attacks useful? i got that the last time i played gy and thought it was pretty good because you wouldn't be interrupted

[worn solar]

well not really imo because you dont want to be hit in the first place

quick spin and massive spin kinda help with that since you dont need to charge your spin as long

[tight basin]

true

[acoustic vale]

I found that out just now when I ended up with frost strike on it

Also ended up with level 5 frost strike because of how things ended up working out which was interesting

And 5th level of artemis cast, which made me understand why people seem to like it

Things ended up working up by "I had like two pommable boons for most of the run" if that wasn't clear

Question: Does merciful end just instantly trigger if you're under athena's call?

[tight basin]

i dont think so because the call doesn't do damage

other deflect means like attack, special, or dash all deal damage so they're able to proc it

but i could be wrong on that

[acoustic vale]

I've finally figured out what I dislike about spear so much: it's attack is exactly at a point where I keep messing the timing up lmao

[acoustic vale]

Shoutout to this chiron build with frost flourish level 4, relentless volley, chaos boon that gives an additional +44% to special damage, epic swift flourish, and concentrated volley. Also featuring epic strong drink and epic ravenous will. I've got a lot stacked on the special lmao

I love defeating the champions in like 20 seconds

[acoustic vale]

So at the end I had: 6th level frost flourish (so that gave the special arrows +127% damage), relentless volley (+4 special arrows), halting flourish (another +44% damage to special), epic strong drink (at the end it was another +15% damage to all damage), epic swift flourish (+30% special speed), Concentrated Volley (Each special arrow that strikes does +3 more base damage that the modifiers apply to than the last) epic ravenous will (+30% damage when my blood stuff is not on my person), Billowing Strength (+20% damage for 15 seconds after using my call. This time it was athena's), which, since to my understanding these are additive, means that each arrow when all of this is active got a 236% percent increase in base damage, and said base damage goes up by 3 each time and happens 30% faster. It kinda killed things really fast

[hallow geyser]

Guys there was an amazing spreadsheet here that had like many builds for every aspect and had detailed explanation can anyone send it

[lucid oar]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide this one’s good

[hallow geyser]

Yh that is the one I am asking for tysm

Guys why doesn't anyone use the gun?

What is the best aspect for it that isn't hidden

[lucid oar]

Eris and hestia are both top tier but zagreus is also really good

Rail is just solid in general

[hallow geyser]

So still which to use

[steep elm]

eris is absurdly strong

literally unfunny overpowered if you get cluster/triple bomb

just slap zeus attack on it and the special doesn't matter

[proper furnace]

I still say the special matters if you get good hammers

Cluster rocket is broken

[steep elm]

oh yeah it adds a new dimension to how broken the rail is

but the god doesn't matter as long as you don't get ares special

cluster rockets are so insane especially against the champions lol

[proper furnace]

*everything

Turns out 400 base dmg isnt a joke

[steep elm]

lol i just remembered how funny it is in styx

[hallow geyser]

I read what each does and I liked Hestia more

[lucid oar]

hestia only really gets good at high titan blood levels

[hallow geyser]

Hmmm

So Eris

Which of those builds is better

start with Dionysus attack. Full-stack hangover with the Eris global damage boost is great. Compared to Lightning Strike, you’re trading slower normal room clears for easier and more consistent damage (if you don’t have Static Discharge or Splitting Bolt, bosses can be a slog). It’s still plenty fast. Ricochet Shot can be helpful to spread hangover faster. Scale up with lots of Poms, Aphrodite/Artemis duos, more flat damage (Tidal Dash?), and more global damage boosts. Going for Trippy Shot and Black Out can be fun

start with Zeus attack. Add Poseidon dash and any percentage-boost god on special, preferably Artemis or Aphrodite. Scale up with more Zeus, more Poseidon, Pressure Points, Hunter’s Mark, Hammers, and Hermes. This is roughly what all speedrunners with Eris use, and it stays effective at high heat. One of the top speedrunners wrote the bible on this build.

[proper furnace]

Zeus will have more dmg by far

Static discharge isnt hard to get

[hallow geyser]

Yh it is pretty easy

[cunning urchin]

Drunken Strike can be fun, but it only beats out Lightning Strike at very, very high heats.

Like 50ish.

[lucid oar]

AP2 RIx

RI0 sucks tbh because you get too many boons and cant pom the right thing

source: my last eris run

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/982614583019700264/Hades_99.png?width=1443&height=812

[hallow geyser]

What is AP

[lucid oar]

approval process

[proper furnace]

At least thats a juicy special

Without rocket

[lucid oar]

it did nothing

2 boosted tidal dashes did more

[proper wharf]

Concentrated or relentless on chiron? 2nd hammer so I have to pick one

[feral night]

what special do you have

[hallow geyser]

Whatever you like both great

[proper wharf]

Have epic frost flourish lv5 (+173%)

[hallow geyser]

What special do you have

[feral night]

probably concentrated

[proper wharf]

Ok

I guess they are comparable so I won't think too hard

[feral night]

gives you good dps with frost flourish's % boost

[proper wharf]

Yeah

Yikes now I've got concentrated but think I should've got relentless to hit the max chill threshold!

Ah well

[cunning urchin]

I'd take Concentrated.

[proper wharf]

Ok. It's probably the safer option.
Relentless could have been nice with arctic blast but not essential. Thx all

[lucid oar]

concentrated is way more dps

[plain river]

both

[worn bluff]

What's a good build for Arthur?

With 0 blood invested

In case that makes a difference

[proper furnace]

not really, slap aphro attack on it, maybe zeus call for smoldering air and done?

just more zeus/some Chaos attack boons

athena attack is fun if you want a big reflect hitbox on front of you

you can dash between the combo to actually reach enemies

[worn bluff]

Alr cool thanks

[proper furnace]

there is also artemis attack but i really wouldnt recommend it you get big dmg if you crit but only on the 3rd swing

[worn bluff]

Does swift strike speed up all 3 swings?

[proper furnace]

ye

[worn bluff]

That seems good then

Might fish for that

[proper furnace]

is fun if its epic

otherwise you barely notice it

[dreamy prism]

swift strike is great on arthur and pretty much nothing else

[proper furnace]

pulv blow zag shield

[plain river]

flurry slash, swift strike, aspect of zagreus but w/ hoarding slash and 1600 obols

[proper furnace]

flurry slash

[plain river]

flurry slash is literally 4 iq but I had an immense amount of money and hoarding slash adds the damage on flat so it doesn't impact the swing damage

it was

much speed

much damage

[proper furnace]

i wouldnt mind flurry if it didnt mess up your iframes after dash striking

sword hammers moment ig

[dreamy prism]

no

[warm tendon]

Cursed Slash, Aspect of Zagreu8s, Lightning Strike, Support Fire, and Urge To Kill

AMAZING build

this is the first time i actually beat hades without death defiance

[acoustic vale]

Idk personally I was enjoying epic swift strike on zag fists

[hallow geyser]

Guys what is the best shield aspect?

Non hidden

Can get it to level 2

[valid dagger]

Zeus Shield is considered strongest overall out of the 3 main ones

Very versatile, handles the pact really well, and has lots of good hammers, Explosive Return being the best, but it’s not necessary

It’s a difficult aspect to master tho

Zag Shield is a bit of a contender only with the Charged Shot hammer, without it, the aspect is very mediocre

[plain river]

what's potent on zeus shield?

[valid dagger]

Most popular builds are Thunder Flourish and just looking for a lot more Zeus or Merciful End, which works both ways on Zeus and doesn’t need Dash, Curse of Pain + Divine Strike is the stronger variation of the two, the Special has better pom scaling and less reliance on rarity, incentivizes some Legacy action too

To expand a bit more on the Thunder Flourish build, you’re gonna be mainly looking for Static Discharge, afterwards you can look for Zeus Call / Double Strike / Splitting

[lucid oar]

And rush delivery

[valid dagger]

But Static Discharge is the main thing, I recommend you pick up a nice % attack along the way because you should be using that a lot, and if you don’t happen to come across more Zeus for the Call look into Dio for damage or Athena for safety, Zeus shield builds up Call gauge very well

And yea Hermes is your other source of scaling

+Dashes on Zeus shield aren’t amazing for upping your damage

But they’re safe

RD is superior

[hallow geyser]

So shall I do Zeus scaling or merciful end

I am a fan of ME myself

[random relic]

both builds are really fun and also really good

so its up to you

[plain river]

how good is the cold fusion duo boon?

[lucid oar]

Really depends on the situation

If your Zeus is being applied constantly, it’s not that noticeable

But if you can’t consistently attack enemies with your Zeus, be that it’s on a move you don’t use frequently, or it’s at high heat, then it gets a lot more value

[plain river]

ah so no need to pick it up with thunder flourish on the zeus shield

[lucid oar]

What are the other options

[plain river]

I was just thinking, I haven't actually got it as an option

[lucid oar]

Ah right

Well at the end of the day it still sells for 400 gold

So that’s pretty neat

[plain river]

guess I'm just looking for more zeus boons at this point then

I've already got thunder flourish, splitting bolt and double strike and I haven't even made it to asphodel

[lucid oar]

Sheesh

[plain river]

*I also had purple curse of vengance and vengeful mood at that point just didn't mention it

this run is particularly lucky

and explosive return

dashing wallop, breaching rush or charged shot?

and why

[proper furnace]

Charged shot, big base dmg

Also piercing, is nice

[plain river]

oh gosh

3 options, all epic

static discharge, high voltage, heavens vengeance(I have the vengeful mood duo boon)

[feral night]

discharge

[plain river]

what is your reasoning?

[feral night]

jolted is one of the best status in the game

you need it if you want a zeus run

(zeus the god, not zeus the weapon)

[proper furnace]

On bosses it specially shines cuz no stun to them

And on the rail is a major source of dmg on normal combats too, once again cuz no stun

[plain river]

if only this wasn't a darkness run, this might be my strongest run so far : (

would be able to push my total heat with this

[worn solar]

static discharge is a ton of damage. the others arent

well ig if youre face tanking vengeance is good damage

but the duo on its own is pretty slow dps

[plain river]

I got both later on anyway at lower rarities, I took static discharge

[worn solar]

thats a lot of zeus

[plain river]

it was, I threw the final thing into victory boasting, but alas I was at low heat so I could get easy progress on the minor prophecy that involves using all the pact of punishment options

[quasi knoll]

Heyo, just unlocked Beowulf aspect, which boon(s) should I go for

[plain river]

aphrodite or dionysus casts are good on it

[proper furnace]

Flood flare (pos cast) some artemis core boon (except dash) and get mirage shot (duo boon)

Due to a bug with flares mirage 2nd cast has 100% dmg

Instead of 30%

Also yeah aphro/dio casts are also good

Aphro doesnt need mirage as much, you can get snow burst and run priviliged status on the mirror and done

Dio cast is dumb, you want stygian soul on the mirror instead, aim for +1 casts from Chaos/charon wells

If you have the chance to go for mirage do it and be sure to pom your cast (whichever you choose)

Also on dio cast poms are dou le of what the tooltip says

[charred hemlock]

Hey I just started using the bow for the first time and I was wondering which Hammer upgrades would be the best for it?

I use Aspect of Chiron

[valid dagger]

Your best ones are Concentrated Volley and Relentless Volley, if not offered look for the usual attack hammers instead

So Twin and Triple

[plain river]

relentless volley and the volley that makes damage scale

[charred hemlock]

kk thanks!

[plain river]

Both together is exceptional

But by themselves each are good

[charred hemlock]

I got concentrated volley on the 2nd room on my first run with a bow so that's hype

[buoyant chasm]

Beginner builds haven’t beat hades got most keepsakes and all weapons and mirrors not maxed tho

[worn solar]

easiest powerful build you can get without aspects and things is probably lighting strike on rail then also get static discharge from zeus and pom that. for keepsakes take zeus keepsake in tart then either athena or poseidon for their dash in aspho, then use acorn in elysium unless collar is higher level and then acorn in styx unless tooth is higher level

uh and hammer wise cluster/rocket bomb are the best, preferably both. other good hammers are targetting system > flurry fire and triple bomb. grab whatever is high % damage for special like aphrodite

[valid dagger]

Delta gud too

For reasons

[plain river]

I thought that delta and flurry were compatable for some reason for the longest time

[dreamy prism]

https://reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/v5jdfe/ive_seen_a_lot_of_people_complain_about_guan_yu/ why is the subreddit so relentlessly obsessed with misleading casuals

[tight basin]

What even is a good build for gy

I saw someone use a sea storm build here with Poseidon attack which I tried and hated because of the knockback

[proper furnace]

aphro special charged skewer, gg

[tight basin]

Lmao what about one that uses the spin attack

[plain river]

you just

don't rely on the life steal spin

[proper furnace]

you can use it at the start of enemy waves

is way safer if you have quick spin

[dreamy prism]

quick spin, athena zeus dio demeter attack are all good

without quick spin you just use it during enemy spawns for a top up

[feral night]

oh wow that is bad

Guan Yu has abysmal special DPS (45 vs 63 of Zagreus) and no serious ways of boosting it (whereas zagreus has 4 good boons for special).

[dreamy prism]

cskewer doesn't exist

[feral night]

Zagreus has charged skewer as well and there its 25% speed boost matter a lot (whereas they matter almost nothing for the average Zag throw). And that DPS number includes recalling of the spear so no, Guan Yu special is never better than basic Zag.

[dreamy prism]

built in hammer is bad

built in best hammer is bad that is

[proper furnace]

built in exploding launcher is so

[feral night]

arthur is very reliable huge DPS source whereas Eris outdamages it only under a specific set of conditions
would you call arthur attack huge dps source

[proper furnace]

exploding but piercing

[dreamy prism]

wait does exploding launcher not pierce

[feral night]

i agree that eris needs some good rng and knowledge to be great buuuuuuut

[proper furnace]

it explodes so still has aoe

GY pierces and its hit box is wider than it looks

[dreamy prism]

I wonder what the width of explosion vs gy special width is

just to see if not piercing is ever better

[proper furnace]

under specific set of conditions only zeus attack is prob faster to clear tart then you can add tidal dash and gg

75% global dmg is huge, basically any boon you add is gonna be way more dmg

[valid dagger]

Reddit sure is entertaining

[hallow geyser]

Guys which of those for nemsis

Start with Artemis attack for even more crits and to immediately unlock Hunter’s Mark. Add Aphrodite on Special or Dash and go for Heart Rend. Poseidon dash is solid. Wouldn’t turn down Hunter Dash either. Look for Chaos or jerkies for attack or dash strike boosts. See the Aspect of Nemesis blade with Deadly Strike in action.
Start with Aphrodite on attack, then Artemis on special, cast, or aid. Ares on special for Privileged Status is solid, especially with Impending Doom to keep the effect on longer. Go for Heart Rend and other crit-enhancing boons. Poseidon dash is also great.
Start with Athena on attack. Although this has lower base damage and less potential growth than Artemis or Aphrodite, you can dash-strike into baddies with reckless abandon which can make up the difference. You can also comfortably take a big-damage dash like Hunter Dash or Tidal Dash. Adding Artemis and Aphrodite for Deadly Reversal and Heart Rend can make this quite powerful.
Start with Dionysus on attack. Double Edge makes getting hangover stacks trivial. Add Aphrodite on special or dash for Privileged Status. Ares on Special for Privileged Status is also spicy. Add Artemis support boons for more/better crits or slot her into a main slot for Splitting Headache or Heart Rend. Global damage boosts like Bad Influence or Rush Delivery or Billowing Strength or Sweet Surrender will let you double-dip and boost both your dash-strikes and the hangover ticks.
Start with Poseidon on dash, then see what shows up for your attack and build up Tidal Dash (Poms, Breaking Wave, Razor Shoals) and your attack in parallel. Hydraulic Might is nice to have.
Merciful End. The built-in crits from the aspect give you a fallback source of damage if you don’t get the duo.

[valid dagger]

First or last

The second one just has a lot of unnecessary things

You dont need Artemis nor Ares on Special

You also shouldnt run Pstatus on Nem

If you want a stonger version of the second one:
Start with Aphrodite's Attack, ideally not a common one, look for Athena on your Special asap, force her in Asphodel if you have to, Artemis or Athena on Dash are good to look for, Artemis on Cast is nice because it opens DR and Heartrend both of which are amazing with those cores, Zeus/Dio/Athena for the Call as usual, then just whatever supporting stuff you can get

Obviously you want Dedge on Nemesis all the time

[hallow geyser]

Why dodge

[valid dagger]

Fourth build here isn't very amazing, Dionysus attack is mainly used on weapons without big base damage, Nemesis has a beefy attack+crit so you usually buff that with % like Aphro or Artemis as mentioned, you can use Dio but it's inferior to the other stuff here usually

You can see Dio attack more often on like Zag Sword

[cunning urchin]

Divine Strike start was a lot better in Early Access.

[hallow geyser]

So ME or first one

[valid dagger]

And it's also worth mentioning that it's more of a high heat strat due to linear hangover pom scaling, so you dont rely on a lot

[cunning urchin]

Drunken Strike start is honestly purely for high heat with AP2 etc. It's good enough for low heats, but you can get much strongers builds there.

[valid dagger]

Both pretty good, really up to you, ME is usually gonna do more damage, the crit build wants some Chaos to back it up a little

And obviously more reliance on Double Edge

[cunning urchin]

Start with [Lady] Aphrodite on attack, then Artemis on special, cast, or aid. Ares on special for Privileged Status is solid, especially with Impending Doom to keep the effect on longer. Go for Heart Rend and other crit-enhancing boons. Poseidon dash is also great.
If you're starting with Lady Aphrodite, you want Heart Rend or Smoldering Air or both.

[hallow geyser]

How do you do that

The message thing

[hallow geyser]

I have done a lot of ME, shall I go for the first as a change

[cunning urchin]

> text

For quotes.

[valid dagger]

Sure give it a go

It is less safe than ME on sword however

Athena's Special is too strong defensively

[hallow geyser]

then I will go with ME

[valid dagger]

Given that you're mostly doing Special > x2 Dash strikes

[hallow geyser]

Didn't work

[cunning urchin]

Space.

[valid dagger]

[hallow geyser]

But it didn't work with space here

tysm all

[cunning urchin]

It didn't work with space here because I put a \ before the > to negate it.

[hallow geyser]

Hmmm

[valid dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/983316497566957618/Discord_SKvmp1IlBe.png this is mostly what I look for when running Nem

[hallow geyser]

Guys, I decided to borrow from Charon in Tartarus and died while have all 3 DDS is that normal

I was helpless

[hallow geyser]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/980474449600077846/983331603726102598/7816baee-48e9-4618-b83f-edbd1dc74230.png

Phew, Athena had the dialogue with Artemis and I was damn annoyed, as this was the sack room but I had both thanks god

[valid dagger]

Nice

You can easily avoid that by simply not taking the Cast

[hallow geyser]

It was sth like cast special dash

So took cast

[valid dagger]

That's fine then yea

But if you don't have ME yet you can consider checking Purging pools to sell it

To optimize your odds of seeing ME

And later on you can use rolls

To roll for something else

Ideally would be pressure points

[plain river]

what should I pick up using the aspect of rama?

[valid dagger]

Start with a beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs

[plain river]

how do you dash strike with the bow? it feels really wierd

[proper furnace]

Dash then hold attack

Zag will hold the bow in a different way than normal attacks (and on rama you will notice the charge time difference a lot)

[hallow geyser]

The bow dash strike is literally the easiest and the most unchanged dash strike compared to the attack

Unless Rama does sth

[proper furnace]

dash strike charge is way faster than standing attacks at the cost of a bit less of dmg

but at the same time you also benefit from dash strike boons from Chaos so

[valid dagger]

I wrote something about dash strikes somewhere

Might not be very relevant but you can search it, since mobile Discord is drunk and wont let me do it

[plain river]

this seems accurate enough

[valid dagger]

Yea it’s pretty simple

It’s a bit more about being consistent with it and having to not think about it

So it just becomes like a rhythm

Because dash strikes are all you should be doing anyway

Standing attacks are almost always suboptimal or incorrect

[plain river]

yeah

I've got a good build going on rama right now and dash striking is helping a lot

[valid dagger]

Except with Flurry Shot potentially, but that’s a different story

[proper furnace]

different bow, even

[valid dagger]

Yea

Flurry incompatible with Rama

[tight basin]

standing attacks are useful if youre waiting for the boss' invincibility to go away lmao

[proper furnace]

couldnt you force it with mods iirc? and is like rlly bad lol

or was that flurry jab GY

[valid dagger]

Both

I forced them with mods

Lol

https://youtu.be/u1PTP44Qop4

[plain river]

now force rama and guan yu at the same time

[proper furnace]

@plain river hermes has lower rarity values

thats why god's pride is so good

[plain river]

Yeah was about to ask that here

[proper furnace]

without it epic chance is like 3%

so yarn of ariadne/refreshing nectar/Chaos favor boons help a lot

[plain river]

And heroic is like 0.000000001% then?

[proper furnace]

sometimes if you luck out into exclusive access before hermes is

[proper furnace]

heroic cant be obtained normally even for non hermes boons

[plain river]

What

[proper furnace]

only through exchanges, rare crop from demeter, ambrosia from eurydice

for hermes is only through ambrosia

[plain river]

Oh exchanges

yeah alr

I was about to mention I’d seen a heroic demeter attack boon earlier

But it was an exchange

[proper furnace]

the legendary boons from hermes is also lower rate than normal

1% iirc?

[lucid oar]

Sounds like it

I was offered bad news twice today lmao

[proper furnace]

plume gaming?

or strats lol

[lucid oar]

One def was plume, can’t remember the other lol

Actually both must have been

[proper furnace]

wait you got purple rd twice in a row lol

lucky

[lucid oar]

Yeah then rare the next run

[proper furnace]

imagine seeing rd

[lucid oar]

All 3 were plume into eury nectar

So it wasn’t natural rd

[plain river]

does having the hermes trinket increase hermes boon rarity but not tell you?

[lucid oar]

No

But it increases the chance of seeing rush delivery

[proper furnace]

plume opens the legendary boon you can get and rush delivery

is one of the requisites for those

@clever phoenix beo high heat doesnt use mirage cuz it gets harder to get

[clever phoenix]

oh yeah right

i don't run that cat so i forgot abotu that lmao