But since it’s after every hit
#h1-builds-and-combat
zealous spoke
Yeah
novel plaza
So an Artemis main build with support fire, and Aphrodite to fill in the gaps? Or would Zeus attack get the job done better?
zealous spoke
Maybe
Wait
Hrm
I'd say
Dio attack
Arty cast/call
Aphro special
Then get support fire and pressure points from arty as support boons
And try to get splitting headache
strange lark
Zeus attack with jolted is way better
zealous spoke
Splitting headache would let you have an aphro special with better crit chance
And if you can get low tolerance, even better
strange lark
Aphro special and a call for smoldering air is very good
long escarp
Support fire is mid
Definitely don’t prioritize it
If it shows up, it’s probably about as good as pressure points
Support fire is one of the most overrated boons in the game tbh
Actually I think it’s is the most overrated. Can’t think of a boon that’s more overrated
strange lark
Support Fire isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw a boon with such an ability and damage with artemis? Support Fire puts the game in another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see a boon with its power and enhancement of the game again. Merciful End breaks records. Mirage Shot breaks records. Suppot Fire breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic.
long escarp
novel plaza
Okay, I’ll try running this build and see how it goes
Aphrodite special/call, Artemis Cast, and either Zeus or Dionysus call
zealous spoke
Support fire is one of the most overrated boons in the game tbh
Honestly, if you're running artemis, can't see why it wouldn't help
long escarp
It doesn’t hurt
It also does very little most of the time
And when it does something, it’s still nowhere near as good as people think it is
I didn’t say to avoid it
But definitely don’t use Artemis keepsake to force it
frosty verge
I heard that keepstakes only work once per attempt, i.e. they only force the gods once, is that true?
what if i sell the first and only boon i got from the god after tart, does the keepstake still work?
long escarp
Aphrodite special/call, Artemis Cast, and either Zeus or Dionysus call
Artemis cast is really bad I don’t suggest it
novel plaza
Okay
long escarp
What’s the aspect?
valid dagger
I heard that keepstakes only work once per attempt, i.e. they only force the god...
Yes that’s true and no
novel plaza
Demeter
valid dagger
The keepsake has a small 1 under it which indicates the uses left
Once you get the boon it’s used and that’s it
long escarp
Artemis and Aphrodite are the best special boons but prioritize special after you get jolted and tidal
valid dagger
You only get rarity bonus
long escarp
Or you can run merciful end
long escarp
So start with the Thunder Signet?
Yeah
frosty verge
how do people even do crush shot Hera bows runs? Give up at first instance when theres no crush shot at start?
long escarp
Rerolls
valid dagger
Roll once
If it’s not there then just reset tbh
But you can roll again if you just wanna go for it
There’s a very good chance that you’ll see Crush shot
novel plaza
Artemis and Aphrodite are the best special boons but prioritize special after yo...
So get Zeus Attack, Jolted, Tidal Dash, and then either Artemis or Aphrodite specials?
long escarp
Yeah
valid dagger
You can also go for Divine Dash
frosty verge
I kept getting the hades loading screen, its annoying tbh
long escarp
Wym
frosty verge
the one where hades speaks to you
long escarp
That’s not a loading screen
novel plaza
You can also go for Divine Dash
I do love me some divine dash
long escarp
And I’m pretty sure it happens every third run
valid dagger
Divine Dash is pretty safe and unlocks DD refills if you see her again later
Good option
long escarp
Yeah divine dash is good too
frosty verge
And I’m pretty sure it happens every third run
happened to me when i tried to reset by giving up
couldnt stand the few seconds loading time
long escarp
If you give up, you just replay the exact same seed
valid dagger
long escarp
Meaning if hades showed up, he’ll show up every time on that seed
valid dagger
And he’ll say the same thing
novel plaza
Dang, I started a new run and didn’t get the Zeus attack
valid dagger
And you’ll be offered the same things in the first chamber
long escarp
Usually yes, sometimes he’ll change it up for no reason
novel plaza
Should I take Thunder Dash?
long escarp
I wouldn’t recommend it
novel plaza
I guess I’ll take the cast then
valid dagger
You don’t have rerolls yet?
long escarp
Swap it to the other reroll
valid dagger
Swap to the other side of that
long escarp
Rerolling boons is way way better
novel plaza
Alright
frosty verge
so reset means go die?
valid dagger
The green side will help you aim for builds much more consistently
And rerolling wells/poms/purging wells is also very handy sometimes
long escarp
I’d rather have fated persuasion with 0 rolls (can only get them from keys) than authority with 10
high trench
I swear, Heart Rend feels like the second hardest duo to get
long escarp
No?
It has two prereqs both of which can be core boons
What makes it so hard to get
novel plaza
Alright, I rebuilt my mirror
long escarp
Easier to get than ME, DR, and Vengeful Mood at the very least
high trench
What makes it so hard to get
No luck with the RNG drop these past few attempts, that's all.
strange lark
And I’m pretty sure it happens every third run
Fourth
novel plaza
Would Explosive Upper or Dash upper be better?
strange lark
Huh?
novel plaza
For my build
strange lark
Explosive
novel plaza
Okay
strange lark
novel plaza
I somehow confused Flying cutter for dash upper
So explosive or flying, is the answer the same?
strange lark
Lol
valid dagger
Explosive is quite strong on Demeter fists
Make sure you get used to dash uppering only
novel plaza
Okay
I am playing on switch so I have to do a weird thing with my thumbs but I dash all the time anyways
strange lark
Big dash uppers are very nice
novel plaza
Yeah
long escarp
No luck with the RNG drop these past few attempts, that's all.
That’s just bad luck, doesn’t make it actually harder to get
novel plaza
Should I go for Epic Pressure Points or Rare Deadly Flourish to replace Heatbreak Flourish?
tawny grove
pressure points imo
novel plaza
I GOT HIM BOYS
long escarp
Zag shield?
timid void
what would be a good build for spear?
rn i am going for is stacking chaos boons, trying to get athena and hermes boons.
timid void
thanks!
dense basin
Got a question - I'm trying to make Arthur build which is tanky and deals crit dmg. From my testing when I take Aphro attack and Athena dash it's a win game, but anyway after adding Artemis somehow I can get art-aphro duo, but RNJesus don't want me to get Athena-Art duo. Is there a way to consistently get athena-artemis duo in such combination of three gods?
Maybe instead of aphro start it's better to go athena?
cunning urchin
Divine Dash doesn't unlock Deadly Reversal. You'll need Divine Strike or Divine Flourish.
dense basin
Oh I see
That makes sense, but then I need to rethink the approach
Because with aphro attack and divine dash arthur aspect is so tanky
valid dagger
I mean you dont need any of those Duos tbh
But I would go for one of them only
Getting 2 duos is kind of hard sometimes
dense basin
I know I don't need them - just aphro attack and athena dash makes build complete
valid dagger
Sort of yea
You can do Artemis attack and Athena Special + Dash and look for DR for more crit chance since Arthur swings are slow
Should be pretty good uptime on DR so you have a lot more effective crit chance
Can hit those nice numbers comfortably
Chaos + hammers for extra juice and you're set
dense basin
With shadow strikes I crited for 4k dmg
cunning urchin
I'd suggest Heartbreak Strike + Zeus' Aid and getting Smair over any of those.
dense basin
Yeap, getting athena special did the trick
I love that Unhealthy Fixation is easy to get - quite practical on swords
cunning urchin
Unhealthy Fixation is great. 
turbid needle
Is there like a good build for The Rama aspect bow?
I'm not really used to this type of playstyle
lone jetty
Heartbreak Strike, and whichever of Dio, Ares, Zeus, or Demeter on special. Ideal hammers are Twin + Perfect or Triple + Point-Blank. Tag a group with 1-2 specials, then dash-strike to build the beefiest charge you can against the biggest, slowest target or ideally a few in a line because the attack pierces
Everything dies. It’s great
lone jetty
I dunno I’ve had some bad builds
narrow igloo
Same
proper furnace
I dunno I’ve had some bad builds
Eris + artic blast memes flashbacks
lone jetty
That’s normal. You’re supposed to experiment as you learn the ropes
valid dagger
Heartbreak Strike, and whichever of Dio, Ares, Zeus, or Demeter on special. Idea...
Hunter dash very good to aim for too imo
lone jetty
^
lucid oar
Deadly strike is also really good with the secondary attack hammers
brisk pilot
what should i use with the beowolf shield
lucid oar
Flood flare and mirage shot
long escarp
most builds should do that
Find me a build for Zag sword that does that
cunning urchin
Crush Shot.
long escarp
Mmm idk
narrow igloo
Crush Shot.
Yup just yup
long escarp
Not really though
What if an elysium enemy doesn’t die in 3
Now you have to wait 10 seconds to kill anything
cunning urchin
Now you have to wait 10 seconds to kill anything
Bruh.
It's obviously best on Hera, but Crush Shot still just works on anything.
lone jetty
Find me a build for Zag sword that does that <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
IDK throw on Tidal Dash and some random boons on attack and special and Zag Sword tends to work out https://i.imgur.com/U7UB2lU.mp4
long escarp
I mean it can definitely work out
I did 40 heat Zag sword with drunken sword, it was pretty good
last dirge
What about on bosses. Unless you can phase a boss with your casts, they're gonna get stuck for a while
cunning urchin
You still have a weapon.
cunning urchin
Yeah, just get Quick Recovery.
burnt kelp
What are some good hangover builds on fists? I've been running ME for too long so I want to switch things up a bit.
burnt kelp
Try lightning strike
alright, what goes well with zeus attack then?
any dashes or specials that would work well with it?
burnt kelp
alright
mild raft
Find me a build for Zag sword that does that <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Smoldering Rip Current 
long escarp
Well… ok fair
mild raft
When in doubt simply don’t play the aspect
turbid needle
what to seek for when going for hunting blades build?
cunning urchin
Hunting Blades. 
turbid needle
Hunting Blades. <:courte5Wut:859131244670222357>
no i mean what are the boons that synergize with hunting blades
mild raft
Mirage shot pretty much
And chaos boons for extra casts and cast damage, Hermes legendaries, quick reload
turbid needle
Mirage shot pretty much
yeah your right
what gods was that for?
valid dagger
Ares T2s and Legendary are nice addition
cunning urchin
Engulfing Vortex, Black Metal, Vicious Cycle, anything that adds Cast damage, anything that gives bloodstones.
mild raft
Arty and Poseidon
turbid needle
Arty and Poseidon
ty
mild raft
You want Arty anyways for hunting blades
turbid needle
ty all you guys
cunning urchin
m not a guy though.
mild raft
The typical build is Artemis attack -> slicing shot -> tidal dash -> Hunting Blades -> Mirage shot
turbid needle
m not a guy though.
then thank all you
cunning urchin
I wouldn't prioritize looking for Mirage Shot. If you happen to run into Poseidon, sure.
turbid needle
The typical build is Artemis attack -> slicing shot -> tidal dash -> Hunting Bla...
i see
i just had a run really fun with tidal dash
mild raft
Splash dash kinda really good yea
It’s definitely cherry on top kinda material tho
Not really necessary for the build but definitely helps
turbid needle
i shared it in #h1-victory-boasting
valid dagger
You should adjust that mirror
turbid needle
You should adjust that mirror
i know
for now im just trying to max it out and then adjust it again
valid dagger
Also tempest strike is almost always bad
cunning urchin
The typical build is Artemis attack -> slicing shot -> tidal dash -> Hunting Bla...
I wouldn't say that's typical. 
valid dagger
turbid needle
Also tempest strike is almost always bad <:bouldy:523329116934635534> <:bouldy:5...
i was using bow so it kinda synergizes at least in my head
bow is ranged
enemies far
bow better
cunning urchin
Bow wants Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike.
cunning urchin
Tempest Strike has the worst % damage in the game and absolutely terrible pom and rarity scaling.
turbid needle
Bow wants Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike.
yeah but this turned out to be more of a dash run far more than a bخw run so i went for poseidon and hermes whenever i could
valid dagger
Well yea this is chiron
With a good special
Your attack was just for tagging stuff
It’s still really annoying
And you had no pstatus there so that’s kinda sad
FF is the go-to unless your build involves 2 curses
And Dark Foresight is way too good
mild raft
Pstat can be good with Chiron
turbid needle
With a good special
look man
i justed wanted to make water go brrrrr
nothing pro or like that
hell i only have 38 runs
mild raft
Can be*
cunning urchin
Epic Tempest Strike Lv.7 does as much damage as epic Heartbreak Strike Lv.1.
That's how bad it is.
valid dagger
For Sea Storm / Heartrend it’s hard to get going sometimes
turbid needle
That's how bad it is.
i see
well i wont be choosing that again
mild raft
Yea Poseidon attack has the same base damage as Artemis attack but you don’t get the added crit chance
The rest of his cores are good tho
Don’t know why they decided to butcher his attack lol
turbid needle
Don’t know why they decided to butcher his attack lol
maybe cause they thought the knock back was worth the lost damage
cunning urchin
Well, it balances out Tidal Dash and Poseidon's Aid quite nicely, I would say.
mild raft
You say that but I can just take splash dash all the same
cunning urchin
What?
mild raft
Poseidon attack being bad doesn’t change splash dash being good
mild raft
Then I don’t really see how it balances out anything
mild raft
I feel like the large difference in quality between the boons isn’t what I would call balanced
Idk that’s just my opinion tho
pulsar sedge
Are they any really good builds for Chaos Shield i dunno if i like it or not yet
lone jetty
I like Zeus or Dio on special. Dio you want a lot of Poms on Drunken Flourish and you look for Aphrodite, Ares, or Artemis and any of their duos with Dionysus. Zeus wants more Zeus for Static Discharge, Double Strike, Splitting Bolt. Look for Aphrodite and a call for Smoldering Air. Explosive Return and Charged Shot are both excellent hammers.
pulsar sedge
and i can only get 2 hammers in a single run right excluding styx
valid dagger
Yea
lone jetty
Max 2 hammers, but the anvil can turn 1 hammer into 2 different ones so you’ll effectively have 3 but that’s a gamble
shell sleet
Are they any really good builds for Chaos Shield i dunno if i like it or not yet
get cshot and play worse zagshield
gilded pewter
what do I go for if I pick Dio cast for Beo?
valid dagger
Look for a Poseidon core (Special or Dash) and Artemis Attack and aim for Mirage shot
Make sure you have Stygian Soul on your mirror and try to get atleast +1 extra cast
For Hermes you can do Auto-reload -> Bad News or the usual Hyper Sprint + Rush Delivery
Pom your cast as much as possible
Charged Shot is your ideal hammer
gilded pewter
I imagine exclusive access is also a very nice thing to have if I just casually get it
valid dagger
Yea it's nice to have if it's early on
And taking it also removes it from the Duo pool therefore it highers your chances of seeing Mirage
cunning urchin
Exclusive Access is nice to have but not a priority to look for.
valid dagger
Yup
mild raft
Idk man purple Hermes and chaos boons kinda good tho
long escarp
what do I go for if I pick Dio cast for Beo?
Do you know about the pom scaling bug btw?
long escarp
@gloomy cairn there are definitely some boons and hammers that are objectively faster than others
So in a speedrun context, there are definitely some builds to go for
For heat it’s more subjective, you have a meta but you also have very good players who seem to ignore that meta and still post incredible results (like Retrash)
gloomy cairn
so basically it's context specific
gloomy cairn
but essentially if you are going for a specific build you'll want to show clearly how well you were able to acquire all the little necessary pieces
long escarp
What do you mean “show clearly”
gloomy cairn
What do you mean “show clearly”
with the boons you flag
proper furnace
The pin that shows the 5 boons in the victory screen
gloomy cairn
right the pins
long escarp
Wait is that what you mean?
gloomy cairn
yup
long escarp
Oh I totally misunderstood
gloomy cairn
no worries
long escarp
Yeah no pin whatever you want to
proper furnace
Most people that know the meta wont need the pins anyways
You either know the name or the boon icon
long escarp
I usually pin:
Aspect
Main attack/cast boon
Secondary dps/support/chaos boon
Hammer 1
Hammer 2/chaos boon
But it doesn’t matter what boons you choose to pin
gloomy cairn
cool
proper furnace
I pin whatever funny boons i got
gloomy cairn
i was just curious if there was some kind of convention that people generally used
long escarp
Nah
gloomy cairn
I pin whatever funny boons i got
nice
proper furnace
Like a lot of extra casts on trippy flare
gloomy cairn
cool cool
yeah its funny two out of my three wins have been total accidents
thought i was farming like two thirds of the run
then boom
@long escarp @proper furnace thanks for giving me the lowdown 😄
cunning urchin
@gloomy cairn the most important thing is that you pin boons from Lady Aphrodite.
gloomy cairn
@cunning urchin obv
long escarp
strange lark
Hades has a couple of bugs
brisk pilot
oh oh god so basically you have double effect of boons with cast?
long escarp
Wym
brisk pilot
nvm
long escarp
Btw aoeui have any new bugs been discovered in the last few months that I should add? I haven’t updated it in a while
strange lark
Not that I know of
Can't really think of anything rn I should probably go to bed
There's a bug with thunder flourish dealing random amounts of damage
You can get details from speedcord
I think
And there's a bug with Zeus shield special
I think it's when the special deals damage your block like stops working for a sec
long escarp
I think it's when the special deals damage your block like stops working for a s...
Wait really?
long escarp
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/936671944441471036/H...
What in the
52 52 54 55 54
strange lark
Wait really?
Could just be block being block idk
Hades block mechanics are pretty funny
long escarp
sonic cradle
oh !! i didnt know that thunder dash was bugged like that
valid dagger
yup
sonic cradle
to be honest my strat was so spammy that i wouldnt have noticed
i also had a really big thunder AoE so i prolly just couldnt have seen it with how much i was dashing
worn solar
its more noticable on mnk
sonic cradle
mnk?
cunning urchin
Monk.
long escarp
Keyboard and mouse
cunning urchin
Nah, that makes no sense.
long escarp
Mouse and keyboard
cunning urchin
And doesn't begin with an N.
worn solar
long escarp
Manic Noble Knights
worn solar
mouse 'n keyboard
long escarp
My Nose Kills
evaded the filter
sonic cradle
meeting new komrades
cunning urchin
Your nose dashes into Hades spins, I don't see it killing anything anytime soon.
sonic cradle
i dash away from the hades spins because i am afraid
long escarp
Your nose dashes into Hades spins, I don't see it killing anything anytime soon.
We’re still on this?
long escarp
i dash away from the hades spins because i am afraid
This is what she’s referring to
finite yoke
would ares special be good on chaos sheild?
cunning urchin
Yeah.
finite yoke
coudl I combine curse of longing and merciful end to good effect, or do those two not synergize at all?
valid dagger
Yea also ME is strong as is and inconsistent enough, shooting for other Duos with ME will be rough
Especially with the limited core slots left
Impending Doom and Hermes are some of the best ways to scale ME
proper furnace
@tiny summit tl;dr hangover builds really want poms on it as the scaling is always linear past the first pom
also swap olympian favor to dark foresight
you will see more boons/poms/gold/heart/hammers
tiny summit
I see, i honestly never thought about adjusting my mirror depending on my runs, i only ever did that for the cast option
proper furnace
dark foresight is a lot better than olympian favor all the time
rarity will barely matter if you cant see boons in the first place
lucid oar
Dark foresight means more gold laurels which means less reason to skip chaos which means less chance of seeing favour boons which means less rarity 
proper furnace
I guess olympian favor only affects normal rarity boons?
OF only affects chance to see rare boons ye
tiny summit
I see, sometimes i get normal rarity boons so i already thought, damn... i wish this wasn't the literal worst rarity in the game...
proper furnace
most things really dont matter on common
just pom it a few times to equal it or get another scaling source
tawny grove
whats the difference between gods pride and olympians favor?
long escarp
Olympian Favor is 40% chance for an otherwise common boon to be a rare boon.
God’s Pride is a 20% chance for an otherwise common boon to be an epic boon.
God’s Legacy increases the odds of legendary and duo boons to show up by 10% (from 10% to 20%, or from 1% to 11% for Hermes legendaries)
- If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fill all three slots with priority boons,
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (Jolted, Marked, Rupture, Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with whatever is available.
That’s how boon priority works
Credit to Nyaa (I think) for that explanation (the part with the steps)
Steps 6 and 7 are the only parts that are impacted by pride/favor (respectively)
And god’s legacy impacts step 5
cunning urchin
Credit to Nyaa (I think) for that explanation (the part with the steps)
I wrote that, yeah. Me and AbundantToaster were looking into it around the same time, but they incorrectly listed Call as a priority slot, so I win.
cunning urchin
Olympian Favor is 40% chance for an otherwise common boon to be a rare boon.
God...
Well, I didn't write this part.
long escarp
Yeah I wrote that
cunning urchin
Very sure Favor and Pride simply add +40% and +20% to the respective roll, so your explanation isn't quite correct.
long escarp
Wait what did I say then
cunning urchin
Olympian Favor is 40% chance for an otherwise common boon to be a rare boon.
If this was true, it would necessarily apply in step 8.
long escarp
Oh yeah I phrased that poorly
shy thicket
Does concentrated knuckle have a cap on stacks?
lucid oar
Yeah it’s when the fist attack combo ends
proper furnace
It also resets on dash strike
sterile fiber
found on the reddit:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523774570394681344/951199755902545980/unknown.png
lucid oar
That’s my post lol
sterile fiber
lol yeah
pulsar sedge
i cant quite get the hang of Aspect of Guan Yu i dunno if i am just not doing something right any good builds for it or just tips for using it.
proper furnace
i cant quite get the hang of Aspect of Guan Yu i dunno if i am just not doing so...
#h1-discussion message Nyaanyaa GY guide
pulsar sedge
thank you
long escarp
i cant quite get the hang of Aspect of Guan Yu i dunno if i am just not doing so...
Imo it’s just not very good. It’s not unplayable but it really just feels like bad Hestia with less health
pulsar sedge
mmm i see
i got as far as Theseus and Asterius with it
i think i could do it but i am not sure
long escarp
what's a good build for rama
Attack: Artemis or Aphrodite
Special: Ares, Zeus, Dionysus, or Demeter
Cast: Doesn’t matter (use for boiling blood or if you get something like flood then you can use it for Styx shredder + AOE)
Dash: Artemis, Athena, or Poseidon
Call: Doesn’t matter (Zeus, Dionysus, Athena are my favorites though)
Hammers: Twin Shot = Triple Shot > Perfect Shot = Point-Blank Shot > Everything else
proper furnace
Strike/lunge from Chaos good
And jerkies(i think thats what they are called) from Charon wells
long escarp
One of my favorite things about Rama is how many great options you have for your special which means that every single god individually has a boon that you’re excited to see
long escarp
So... Flood Shot.
For example, flood can help in Styx or with AOE
whole thunder
thanks :D
long escarp
Phalanx shot can help with safety and bossing
cunning urchin
My point is there's no alternative that's "like flood" lol.
long escarp
Don’t prioritize getting a cast but don’t avoid it either, a good cast can help
long escarp
My point is there's no alternative that's "like flood" lol.
Yeah true
cunning urchin
Of course.
long escarp
That isn’t the way I meant it though
feral night
athena call with rama is so much fun
astral lantern
has anyone ever gotten bad news vicious cycle mirage shot hunting blades and fully loaded in a blade rifts build
long escarp
Yes
narrow geode
That sounds like a fun build
long escarp
On Achilles I hope
quartz fractal
that sounds almost impossible w/out mods to weed out rng
and by the time youd get everything ur like 2 chambers away from styx or in it
long escarp
What? No it’s absolutely not???
I’ve done it a few times
Usually I don’t get the very last piece until Styx but that’s really not relevant
It’s not like the build is completely useless until I get fully loaded or vicious cycle
quartz fractal
i have really bad luck
i dont remember getting over like 3-4 duos/legendaries without exclusive access
long escarp
i dont remember getting over like 3-4 duos/legendaries without exclusive access
Exclusive Access does not impact duo/legendary odds at all.
Do you have rerolls on the mirror? And god’s legacy?
quartz fractal
maxed mirror
novel plaza
I have a question, how good is the Hermes Plume?
I once tried to cheese a run by putting it on in Styx, but the effect didn't seem to work
worn solar
I once tried to cheese a run by putting it on in Styx, but the effect didn't see...
it doesnt proc in mini tunnels. its mostly useless other than dodge builds and has a niche use to open up rush delivery and his legendaries instead of getting other prereqs
worn solar
well the meta is god keepsakes in tart/aspho then either acorn for the last two regions or hourglass/sigil for speedrunning
novel plaza
Makes sense
I usually did god for Tart and Aspho, then a third for Elysium and then Skelly tooth for Styx
long escarp
I have a question, how good is the Hermes Plume?
It’s good but for a completely different reason than you might think
Some speedruns use it in Asphodel to increase their odds of getting hyper delivery because it allows you to get rush delivery first
You only use it when you don’t need any other keepsakes but that still does happen
As long as you know when to use it and when not to, it could be considered a great keepsake since there are situations where it is probably optimal
shell sleet
What’s your favorite trinket?
distant memory and black shawl because theyre so useful
valid dagger
pls
shell sleet
oh and i almost forgot harpy duster (or whatever its called)
unreal tree
Harpy feather duster
gusty rapids
unreal tree
Especially in ch33 with a chaos nearby
worn solar
who needs chaos when you have hourglass 
unreal tree
Wtf spearpoint is good
valid dagger
When you have a big hp pool and you're going into EM4 on some weapons
unreal tree
Ive seen a lot of people take it in styx
long escarp
How? When are you ever gonna get hit twice within 1.5 seconds on EM4 (beside phase 1 summons)
unreal tree
Makes poison trvial
valid dagger
Also yea styx poison
unreal tree
How? When are you ever gonna get hit twice within 1.5 seconds on EM4 (beside pha...
Lasers,spins, shockwaves
valid dagger
How? When are you ever gonna get hit twice within 1.5 seconds on EM4 (beside pha...
phase 1 summons are no joke to begin with
long escarp
Ive seen a lot of people take it in styx
Because they’re scared of poison. But it’s definitely not optimal since poison is extremely easy to avoid and you should just take a keepsake for Hades
unreal tree
Its much better for melee weps imo
unreal tree
phase 1 summons are no joke to begin with
They have such an ability to brick your run
They're very underestimated
long escarp
phase 1 summons are no joke to begin with
They do very low damage though. The issue is that it’s constant (and eats acorn charges). If you take acorn and block a single spear with it, you have done more than spearpoint will pretty much ever do
valid dagger
Yet skullcrusher is the only one that cant brick your run, any idea why?
long escarp
Lasers,spins, shockwaves
If you get hit by the first spin without spearpoint, you definitely have enough time to dash away from the second. Also even if spearpoint helps with it, you still just took 100 damage
long escarp
Yet skullcrusher is the only one that cant brick your run, any idea why? <:bould...
Mike I didn’t say the summons are easy. They’re incredibly difficult, one of the hardest parts of the fight. However, their base damage per attack is low so using spearpoint does not raise your eHP by much at all
I just strongly disagree with the idea that spearpoint is ever worth using over tooth or acorn
unreal tree
Try rama butterflies/sneak without spearpoint
long escarp
Hades hits way too hard for that
unreal tree
0 chance of not losing an sd in phase 1
valid dagger
Well the point is if you take a sneak or butterfly ball hit you're totally safe for a brief moment afterwards
as opposed to tanking another 2-3 sneak projectiles or tanking 20 butterflies
unreal tree
Thats enough time for a powershot
valid dagger
it is if you're aware of it
the moment you take a small hit go for a powershot
it's quite valuable
it also helps you get rid of said sneak or bball you dont have to powershot hades
long escarp
I just have trouble believing that’s worth a keepsake slot over acorn since acorn has the ability to save you over 500hp in the fight
valid dagger
it also has the ability to be literally worthless
long escarp
So does spearpoint? In fact is is completely worthless for phases 2 and 3
All it does is save you like 40hp and maybe a bit of time
At best
All acorn has to do to greatly outclass that is block a single attack from Hades. Even if you lose the other 4 to butterflies
worn solar
spear good to not get murdered when block stops working https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/910373816176349195/Hades_2021-11-16_19-35-39_Trim_2.mp4
long escarp
Did you have splitting bolt
worn solar
Did you have splitting bolt
well looking at the damage numbers it appears so with the random 58s
long escarp
Angel and I have the working theory that splitting bolt can cause block to not work
And by Angel and I, I mean Angel
worn solar
long escarp
But yeah that seems to be it
It’s the most noticeable against attacks like that because a few frames of your block being down are less likely to be noticed against slower attacks
worn solar
long escarp
Yeah it lines up
So my theory is: when splitting bolt activates, your block is disabled for like a very small frame window every time. That seems to be the common factor for all these clips
worn solar
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/940763756617682984/H...
no this one dont got splitting
unreal tree
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/940763756617682984/H...
This happens with zag shield too
The laser stuff is zeus shield only though
burnt kelp
Does lightning strike work well with demeter fists?
mild raft
@brisk pilot btw thunder flare is hella funky on Beowulf, the actual damage doesn’t come from a cast just a lightning bolt so cast bonuses do nothing
Like braids from wells, chaos cast damage boons, mirage shot
Thunder flare however has a weird bug where double strike makes it hit a lot more than two times so that’s basically what mirage shot is for thunder flare
proper furnace
Also it sometimes backstab
valid dagger
analog inlet
Hello, little question:
Does Sisyphus' keepsake stacks with chaos' boons where you gain bonus special/normal/cast damage?
apologies if it's not in the right channel
fading nymph
yes
pulsar sedge
yup
fading nymph
as long as the core is not filled it works
analog inlet
gotcha! many thanks 😁
fading nymph
so it also works with hunter dash
analog inlet
as long as the core is not filled it works
yea that was my reasoning, I needed confirmation 😁
thanks you both and have a good day (and good hades runs)
short lintel
do i need to censor in this channel?
cunning urchin
do i need to censor in this channel?
Spoilers are allowed. You can check the channel descriptions for that.
Swearing is not allowed, of course.
high trench
Swearing is not allowed, of course.
Say it: Blood and darkness. It's a curse, lass. Say it with me. Blood. And. Darkness. Each available in high abundance here.
wild owl
Say it: Blood and darkness. It's a curse, lass. Say it with me. *Blood.* *And.* ...
Until that little speech I was kinda confused about why zag kept on saying “blood and darkness” when he spends a DD
high trench
The Furies say it also.
wild owl
The Furies say it also.
Apart from Tisiphone
Actually, I’ve only heard Meg say it
I could just have forgor but still
pulsar sedge
Is Electric shot good on hera it feels nice but i dunno if the best
lone jetty
It’s not super. Crush Shot is the best on Hera, or Trippy Flare with Stygian Soul and extra casts from Chaos or the Well
pulsar sedge
I thought that Crush shot would be best but i didnt even think about Trippy Flare
lone jetty
It takes some luck to get more casts but if you do it’s pretty fun.
pulsar sedge
i got the casts that i wanted for these last few runs but i know how lucky that was so i am just very pleased
astral lantern
What’s so good about crush shot
long escarp
For Hera?
Good AOE, optimal damage, stays close when you miss
It’s so many leagues ahead of second place for Hera
I find it very hard to justify using any other cast
astral lantern
I just don’t see that many boost for it
I feel like trippy better
U got bad news and icy wine
long escarp
Trippy is way way worse
It’s not remotely close
It relies on chaos so heavily
Trippy Hera actually really sucks imo
astral lantern
Dang really
long escarp
And ice wine is also very bad for trippy Hera
Makes your cast slower
Trippy Beo isn’t good either but at least it has the pom bug
lucid oar
Trippy beo isn’t good
astral lantern
wat is then
has my whole life been a lie
this entire time i thought trippy was good
lucid oar
I think it’s very good
long escarp
Good how
long escarp
wat is then
Flood Flare and Passion Flare
long escarp
I think it’s very good
In what context is trippy flare a good option for Beo?
lucid oar
If you want extremely high burst damage
It has a 5:24, I don’t think that makes it bad
long escarp
I mean it’s not exactly bad for speed, more just that it’s worse than flood. So if it’s worse than flood then why ever use it
Especially since it’s also way less consistent
lucid oar
It’s a lot of fun
long escarp
That’s not the point
Trippy Beo is my favorite build in the game for casual runs
Still, it’s not good
lucid oar
Not top tier =/= not good
long escarp
That’s not exactly what I meant
It’s bad in the sense that it’s outclassed so if your goal is winning then it’s just the wrong choice
It’s not bad in the sense that you’ll actually do especially badly with it
fading nymph
Trippy Beo is good when you get it running
last dirge
Why would you just take the best stuff in a roguelike
You can win casually with anything
You can push low heat with anything
Like up to 16 even
fading nymph
You can do 32 with anything really
last dirge
So in terms of what has the best dps or is most practical, sure you can argue just go flood flare
Even as a suggested starting build that's fine
But I've made awful stuff like Zeus cast work
Its shield too lol
Winning is generally pretty easy unless its higher heat
cunning elm
Can someone confirm that Bad News and Crystal Beam work together well? Not sure what "first-shot damage" really means here
I'm on a Hermes boon selection screen rn
I think it does (and the other options are meh anyway) so I'll pick it but someone lemme know if that's wrong
valid dagger
I think it does (and the other options are meh anyway) so I'll pick it but someo...
Bad News is Global Damage it’s bugged
So yea it’ll work for everything not just your casts as long as you don’t have casts lodged in
With crystal clarity it’ll be always active pretty much
cunning elm
I saw a mention of that somewhere but don't know what that means either -- is it bugged like that in all situations no matter what?
valid dagger
Yes
cunning elm
lmaohno
valid dagger
Again, if the enemy has no cast lodged into them
cunning elm
Right
valid dagger
That’s the only requirement
cunning elm
Achiles spear for beams and phalanx shot is 👌😩 too fun
Also, the most underrated moment in the game is when you win while stunned by an urn
Zagreus swaying for days until you interrupt him
pulsar sedge
so Hera has very quickly become my fav weapon aspect bc DAMN ITS SO CRAZY
long escarp
In what way
pulsar sedge
I like that i can get so much damage off with crush shot and if i have curse of agony then its even more i think my last run i could kill the hydra heads in one shot but i dont have proof so you just have to take my word for it i really like the damag
pulsar sedge
no havent unlocked it yet
long escarp
Beo is like better Hera tbh
pulsar sedge
i have heard its really good and i cant wait to unlock, but i must ask what is its ability
long escarp
Your casts come out with your bull rush
long escarp
And your bull rush does 50 base damage, 100 with casts in it
pulsar sedge
interesting
pulsar sedge
oooooh
past mist
thoughts on the Artemis ares duo boon?
pulsar sedge
Eh
long escarp
Hunting Blades?
long escarp
It’s good for Achilles
pulsar sedge
if you dont have black metal then its a bit lacking
long escarp
The boon itself is amazing, the build it goes with it less amazing but still can be good
long escarp
if you dont have black metal then its a bit lacking
LMAO WHAT
You mean engulfing vortex?
strange lark
pulsar sedge
You mean engulfing vortex?
SORRY YES
past mist
my first hades clear was hunting strikes and the hermes cast succession thing
pulsar sedge
HAHAHA
proper furnace
Black metal 
strange lark
Ares legendary also really good
long escarp
Engulfing is very helpful when you don’t have hunting blades and moderately helpful when you do
past mist
what's y'alls favorite duo boons?
long escarp
Mirage Shot, Smoldering Air, Merciful End
proper furnace
Ares legendary also really good <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Ares legendary being bugged on all except call
shell sleet
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/922208443446726676/926630165159739422/1...
wait is it actually biased towards the right like that
long escarp
wait is it actually biased towards the right like that
Yeah
shell sleet
weird
shell sleet
so that would be zag's right side correct?
long escarp
Think so
lucid oar
I think hera is better than Beowulf unmodded
long escarp
You’re talking just about speed
past mist
Mirage Shot, Smoldering Air, Merciful End
huh what deflect do you usually have on merciful end
long escarp
Also Hera is harder to play imo
past mist
I assume dash
lucid oar
Yeah dash
long escarp
huh what deflect do you usually have on merciful end
Dash for proc, special so you can actually get the boon
pulsar sedge
Uhh hello majima fan
past mist
ah ok
long escarp
Not for heat
long escarp
Yep
proper furnace
Bad zag bow
strange lark
what's y'alls favorite duo boons?
Unshakeable mettle
valid dagger
Unshakeable mettle
Same
proper furnace
Curse of longing
strange lark
Cod
long escarp
🐟
past mist
theoretically what's the most duo boons you could have in one run
I'm kinda new to this game so there's a lot I don't really get
long escarp
I think I’ve had more
strange lark
Wait what
long escarp
But I’d have to go digging through old switch photos
lucid oar
28
lucid oar
I think the bigger problem is getting at least 50 prerequisites
unreal tree
yakuza and hades both attract gay people
long escarp
nah you can't have hunting strikes and cold embrace at the same time
You can. Just sell the ares cast and pick up dem cast
strange lark
Max duos route when
past mist
You can. Just sell the ares cast and pick up dem cast
doesn't the duo boon go away with it?
lucid oar
Or hunting blades freezing vortex
long escarp
Doesn’t do anything, but you keep the boon
past mist
Doesn’t do anything, but you keep the boon
I mean the dash rift could work I think
lucid oar
Or crystal clarity cold embrace
lucid oar
I mean the dash rift could work I think
It doesn’t
long escarp
I mean the dash rift could work I think
No
strange lark
It does
past mist
nvm
lucid oar
:croven:
past mist
I thought it would work as the duo boon doesn't specify casted ones
long escarp
It does actually
lucid oar
It doesn’t
long escarp
Oh
lucid oar
:croven:
past mist
yeah I was wrong
lucid oar
It does lmao
strange lark
It doesnt
long escarp
Oh ok
strange lark
long escarp
unreal tree
long escarp
Spaghetti code bad news
lucid oar
It’s only harder to play because you’ve played more beo
Hera took way fewer attempts for me to sub 7
lucid oar
Yeah on controller I mean
pulsar sedge
Time i pressume
past mist
ah
long escarp
It’s only harder to play because you’ve played more beo
Maybe so
But I feel like I remember people saying that Beo and Eris are the best beginner speedrun aspects and then Achilles and Hera take a lot more practice
strange lark
Achilles is just a bunch of resets
shell sleet
can confirm achilles is a lot harder than beo
shell sleet
in like 10 finished runs my achilles pb is 7:4x
lucid oar
Just hard on the wrists
shell sleet
i got beo sub 7 in like 5 finished runs
lucid oar
And thumbs
shell sleet
or something
lucid oar
Hestia is the hardest
long escarp
Really? Achilles especially is notoriously difficult I thought
lucid oar
Just hold attack while dashing around
Idk
Special to go to a new enemy
Cast the bosses
long escarp
Maybe it’s easy for like sub7
But I’d imagine it would get quite difficult when you’re trying to go lower
lucid oar
That’s just Achilles being bad tbh
lucid oar
So reliant on Hermes
Compared to beo, hera, eris
Hestia is too but otherwise you don’t need as much of a build alongside it
strange lark
Hesita besita
shell sleet
Compared to beo, hera, eris
idk eris is p hermes heavy
you either get purp dashes or any HS first hermes
or reset
strange lark
My eris pb has no hermes
shell sleet
lucid oar
Eris is so clockets reliant
shell sleet
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/934623143220355193/S...
proud bearing clockets 
lucid oar
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/934623143220355193/S...
Awful build
proper furnace
So reliant on Hermes
185 sub 5 achilles with +1 dash
lucid oar
Gods legacy lookin ahh build
lucid oar
185 sub 5 achilles with +1 dash <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
185 OP
proper furnace
Fair
shell sleet
Eris is so clockets reliant
you can cope with targetign or triple if you have RD
i dont reset second hammer (but i doubt many people would since at that point you just play out elysium and hope for the skips)
past mist
185 sub 5 achilles with +1 dash <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
whats 185?
past mist
oh i thought it was an in game thing
proper furnace
somber relic
The Smoldering Air duo boon is pretty funny. Can basically charm bosses into oblivion
long escarp
It’s so so busted
I mean
Not with aphro aid
But with good calls it definitely is
proper furnace
Poseidon aid + rip current + SA
long escarp
Zeus, Poseidon, Dionysus all work very well
past mist
does anyone pick some keepsakes specifically to make a duo boon, just curious
proper furnace
Most builds use keepsakes in tart-aspho so yeah
Easy example is beo
Poseidon start-artemis in aspho to unlock mirage shot
past mist
Zeus, Poseidon, Dionysus all work very well
artemis is also pretty goof
proper furnace
Artemis SA is sad
strange lark
does anyone pick some keepsakes specifically to make a duo boon, just curious
Bone hourglass to increase duration of yarns from wells
Then you can get a lot of duos
past mist
Easy example is beo
Poseidon start-artemis in aspho to unlock mirage shot
mirage shot with what cast would be best?
long escarp
artemis is also pretty goof
No
strange lark
Trippy, flood, passion
past mist
do yall think
proper furnace
On beo basically any cast that is not thunder flare
strange lark
Hunting blades on beo pretty pogger
proper furnace
You cant get hunting blades on slicing flare
strange lark
Not with that attitude
long escarp
Slicing Flare with Vicious Cycle 🧠
for those who don’t know, vicious cycle doesn’t even work on slicing flare
You can get it
But it does nothing
lucid oar
Yes it does, all you gotta do is pray
long escarp
shell sleet
do yall think
no
valid dagger
lmao
pulsar sedge
😭
past mist
how do i upload pictures
pulsar sedge
upload it to another server and get the link but i am not sure if pictures are allowed here
cunning urchin
Image links are perfectly fine.
past mist
i feel like poseidons call is so op
especially with that one boon that makes it last longer and suck people in
frosty verge
Does doom damage scale based on how hard the weapon hits?
past mist
Does doom damage scale based on how hard the weapon hits?
dont think so
lucid oar
It does not
frosty verge
Hmm so like a doom dmg from bow special would do the same amount as a spear special?
Assuming same rarity and level
lucid oar
Yes
lime summit
hey can someone help me with the weapon aspects? i dont know how im able to access them. i killed hades today and i wanted to go into the weapon aspects phase, but i cant access them. theres no reveal button when i go over to the shield when ive seen that there is supposed to be the button
lone jetty
Have you unlocked all the weapons?
lime summit
yes
lone jetty
So you should be able to interact with the pedestal where a weapon was. Like hit Interact to equip it, then Interact again
lime summit
yeah its still not letting me, nothing is showing up
am i supposed to complete the prophecy for the shield first?
lone jetty
Have you talked to Skelly? He says something about the weapons when you’re able to use different aspects.
lime summit
is skelly the dummy in the weapon room?
lone jetty
Yes
lime summit
i spoke to him and he didnt say anything about the weapons
lone jetty
K… I’m stumped. The answer to most things in this game is to do more runs and always talk to everyone in the house when you’re back. You should get access to the different aspects eventually
lime summit
alright, i'll try everything i can, thank you for trying to help
i did one more run and died early and its working now
mightve been because this was my 30th, im not sure
lone jetty
Nice. Enjoy trying out the aspects
pulsar sedge
can someone help me out, i dont think i get rama.
long escarp
can someone help me out, i dont think i get rama.
- Tag a few enemies with special
- Dash strike power shot one of the enemies for 125 base damage
- All tagged enemies (including the one you attacked) take an extra 75 damage
This all scales very well with heartbreak strike
long escarp
Attack: Aphrodite or Artemis
Special: Ares, Zeus, Dionysus, Demeter
Cast: Not important
Dash: Artemis or Athena (Poseidon is fine too)
Hammers: Twin = Triple > Perfect = Point-Blank > Everything else
Note: Triple becomes worse with chain shot, avoid this combo
strange lark
Dem is decent on special, it's a lot better if you get killing freeze
long escarp
Yeah dem is a tier below the other 3
astral lantern
How long those Achilles buff last for
proper furnace
Next 4 attacks or casts
proper furnace
Yeah meme beams/rifts are great on Achilles
astral lantern
Beams vs rift which is better
fading nymph
rifts better
steel scroll
Guys I’m pretty new to the game (Defeated hades once,) what’s the best weapon as I’ve been using the shield al the way through?
long escarp
Shield, Bow, Rail > Sword, Spear, Fists
Also interesting that you zagluv’d your own message but ok
steel scroll
It was an accident lol
shell sleet
Dem is decent on special, it's a lot better if you get killing freeze
clearly atremis special is the best so that the arrows can do 15 damage instead of 5
past mist
smoldering air + lv 7 heroic poseidons aid = EZ
astral lantern
I think all weapons are good just depends on how u use them
fading nymph
All weapons are good casually
frosty verge
Have seen something along the lines of 4 God pool. What does forcing a 5th God mean? Does it mean accepting any of the 5th God's base boons (atk special cast etc), or non base boons are fine and won't trigger the 4 God pool rule?
valid dagger
Have seen something along the lines of 4 God pool. What does forcing a 5th God m...
If you’ve already taken boons (doesn’t matter if cores or not) from 4 gods not counting Hermes, you will only be offered those gods from that point onwards
Forcing a fifth means using the keepsake to force them to show up
frosty verge
So as long as they show up, even if we do not pick that route, the 4 god rule would been activated the some god would be out of the pool?
Or do we have to pick a boon from the 5th god, core or otherwise
proper furnace
If you get a boon they get added to the pool
valid dagger
You have to get a boon from them yea
If you choose another door then they’re not in your pool
Selling the only boon you have from a god also doesn’t remove them from your pool
random helm
Came across this article, was wondering how y'all think it aligns with current state of the game. I'm just starting heat runs and hoping to get faster at clearing rooms
long escarp
Game Rant articles are never a good place for builds tbh
random helm
Google fu for "best Hades builds" lead me there. But which is why I'm cross checking here too
long escarp
Google fu for "best Hades builds" lead me there. But which is why I'm cross chec...
I’m saying that people who write those articles never know what they’re talking about
pulsar sedge
generally big article publishers rarely have good takes
long escarp
Pancake look at the recommended build for guan yu/Hades spear
Guan Yu: “The spin is lifestealing. Use it.” That’s like their entire piece of advice
proper furnace
Also no mention of passion flare on beo
proper furnace
Lmao the eris one
"it boost your attack by 75%"
I mean not wrong but not true
And "combine with artemis"
random helm
So the sentiment is their suggestions aren't the greatest. I don't see a pin here of a good guide, is there somewhere with better builds you can point me towards?
long escarp
There are a ton of speedrun guides
proper furnace
Can probably just do discord search "x weapon guide"
long escarp
What’s your goal (a certain heat, maybe with a certain weapon)? I can help you find a build perfect for it
lone jetty
I have an all-aspects one https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide
strange lark
https://gamerant.com/hades-best-builds-challenge-runs/
Ass
proper furnace
At least is not "tempest strike sea storm arthur" tier
random helm
Pretty adaptable to weapons, goal I guess is to complete a heat 16 run for Skelly's 2nd prize
valid dagger
Use thegamer builds
long escarp
Pretty adaptable to weapons, goal I guess is to complete a heat 16 run for Skell...
You can do this with any weapon, 16 is very very flexible. Do you have any preferences on weapons? Do you want me to suggest some good ones?
random helm
I favour the spear and shield, but regularly rotate the weapon based on what offers the materials bonus. Just starting to unlock aspects, only hidden one I have is Guan Yu so far
long escarp
Achilles has some fun cast builds
Hidden shield is incredible but you said you don’t have it yet
Zeus shield is also great but it can be hard to play
cunning urchin
So the sentiment is their suggestions aren't the greatest. I don't see a pin her...
That article's been made fun of plenty of times here.
cunning urchin
Hence why m telling you lol.
shell sleet
Game Rant articles are never a good place for builds tbh
theyre a good place to laugh at builds though
also they dont really list builds but just list 10 aspects for some reason
and then kinda just say "ideal gods" by apparently picking a random 3 out of the 8 and not explaining which boons to take
feral night
https://gamerant.com/hades-best-builds-challenge-runs/
aspect of hera explosive shot lmao
lucid oar
That ones actually pretty good
Not as good as flurry/triple/twin, but still pretty nice
valid dagger
Explosive is cool yea
fading nymph
Well
It could be IGN
BESTLOS
The first two are good the rest not really
Except Zeus attack Eris
They forgot splash dash on that tho
long escarp
Did they describe Talos as zany
fading nymph
Also not mentioning twin and flurry for Hera
This zany amount of damage is further assisted by any boons or upgrades
Oh my
Small amount of damage you never really try to scale
“zanny”
lucid oar
That guide is so bad
Oh yeah here’s an aspect and if you get the ideal boons on it it’s far from meta
OP
quartz fractal
searching up for op builds kills the fun in my eyes
long escarp
?
quartz fractal
esp if you playing the story
long escarp
Using a good build does not kill the fun
It makes the game more fun
That said, no article with “op builds” will have good builds
quartz fractal
i mean if you got like 100 hours in the game i can see that but searching for them right off the bat
long escarp
Yeah true it’s worth experimenting
valid dagger
I experimented a lot