h1-builds-and-combat

[boreal lodge]

I didn't encounter hermes that much on this run

I don't really like him anyways

if i see a poseidon or zeus boon im going for that instead of hermes

[proper furnace]

you can only encounter him up to 3 times

2 normally and a last one in styx shop

[boreal lodge]

oh

didn't know that

[proper furnace]

and the game wants you to get his boons so will keep making him appear

[boreal lodge]

I was aiming for a thunder and poseidon build for the fists but since i don't know what i need I just went with the flow

I don't know whay duo requirements are for anything

[proper furnace]

there is a codex upgrade for that

[boreal lodge]

I don't think I got that upgrade

[proper furnace]

but most of the time is one "core" from X god (attack/special/cast/dash/call) and another core from Y god

[boreal lodge]

I saw something in the work order place but didn't get it since i never use the codex

[proper furnace]

the codex upgrade lets you see all boons from a god + requirements

[boreal lodge]

I have 3 starred keepsakes of both zeus and poseidon

But couldn't seem to get the other one

[last dirge]

The general rule for duo boons is that they only require the basics for the duo to work, unless it's a weak or bad duo boon like Athena/Poseidon, Athena/Demeter, Athena/Dionysus

So usually it's just primary boons

But since Cold Fusion for example modifies Jolted, it requires that boon.

Generally if you know what boons a god can offer you, you can figure out what boons you need for it.

There are some tighter examples like Merciful End though

Generally going for a primary boon is what opens up duos

[young lagoon]

Is it worth getting the secret aspect for the bow???

[lucid oar]

Yeah it’s very good

[young lagoon]

Fr?

I got the secret for the sword the shield and the gauntlets

[boreal lodge]

Can someone explain to me how heat works?

I beat the game the first time and now im on this screen before the run

[valid dagger]

You can choose certain modifiers for the run

Before you start

That's pretty much it

[lucid oar]

Like +20% damage taken

[proven osprey]

the more you add the more fun

[valid dagger]

[lucid oar]

Until lucky number 44

[boreal lodge]

And also

I want to get the sea storm duo

But don't know how I'm supposed to

[valid dagger]

Do you have the Codex upgrade from the contractor

[boreal lodge]

Nope

[valid dagger]

Duo boons have prereqs from both of the gods that you have to fulfill

Then they are eligible to get offered from either of the gods

[boreal lodge]

I am seeing reddit posts about it but they're incredibly cryptic for a new player like myself

I don't understand any of these terms

[analog cove]

That probably means you shouldn’t be reading them

The codex update from the contractor is super useful

[valid dagger]

Well it's pretty straight forward as a concept but reddit might not be the best source

[boreal lodge]

I am going to get it

So I just have to get the attack boon on both zeus and poseidon right

Because I tried this and could never get it

[analog cove]

Well you can’t get two different god attack boons

[lucid oar]

There’s still a chance you don’t get it

[analog cove]

I think sea storm is any “core” boon from each except for splash dash

[lucid oar]

It’s not guaranteed if you have the prerequisites

[valid dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/944606911892967424/Hades_yzx329miiA.png

[boreal lodge]

What does core boon mean

[lucid oar]

Attack special cast dash aid

[boreal lodge]

And also, does the sea storm effect work on all attack types or just the attacks that the two boons you have

[lucid oar]

Any attack that knocks enemies back

[valid dagger]

Any form of knockback

Except Repulse shot

[lucid oar]

And flood flare

[unreal tree]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/875812054227886080.gif?size=44&quality=lossless

nobody actually remembers the time when breaking wave proced from rama attack

wriste found it during hermes cup

[boreal lodge]

Yo i got it

Was way easier than I thought

No image perms

[long escarp]

#h1-victory-boasting

[hollow roost]

what are the ideal god keepsakes for zeus shield?

[valid dagger]

Zeus

Or Ares Athena for Merciful End

[hollow roost]

thanks

pretty bad options from zeus the first time but eh try to make do

[zealous spoke]

Tbh I had a pretty good run putting poseidon on special and then running sea storm

[last dirge]

For Zeus shield priority is like thunder flourish -> jolted -> double strike -> bonus points for splitting bolt

Best hammer really depends but like explosive return or something

Zeus shield is not very hammer dependent so dont worry as much

[lucid oar]

High voltage above double strike

Double strike does nothing for Zeus shield

Maybe good if you get the call

[unreal tree]

oh it is very hammer reliant

I dont agree with that part at all

explosive return, charged shot and ferocious are just game changing

ferocious less so but its still very nice

[worldly stream]

How do you deal with EM3?

[last dirge]

Eh not hammer dependent for casual play

If you just want it to zap as normal it works great still

Everything becomes more hammer dependent the more serious you get

[unreal tree]

Keep an eye out for theseus, but hes mostly in the background. His main attack is just attacking the outer part of the arena and swooping in in the middle twice in a row shooting you(never once), focus on asterius's attacks, you cant block his spin reliably so try to get away while also getting damage on theseus/just avoiding both. If you have a call, use it to kill asterius then save it for when theseus phases.

Asterius's slams also have bigger AOE so you have to empty dash through them

Cant attack while thats happening

[graceful sinew]

Anyone have a good build for Guan Yu? I can‘t really work with it, neither with Arthur because they‘re both kind of „slow“/„heavy“

[zealous spoke]

Guan Yu's actually pretty cool, less stupidly slow than arthur, probably easier to use for someone used to the more normal aspects

Just like with anything with really heavy damage, I'd usually run either Aphrodite or Artemis on the main attack

Aphro has really nuts stat buffs and weak is pretty helpful, and artemis has the crits every once in a while that are gonna be really strong, tho I'm not sure how much that's worth

And combining the two on attack and special can always open up for Heart Rend, which is kinda cool

Which boon you give to which attack can depend on your preference ig

Other than that, idk

[graceful sinew]

Thanks! I just got Artemis and took Support fire which makes it definitely more pleasant

[zealous spoke]

Huh, support fire?

Never would've guessed that on a slow-hitting weapon

[cunning urchin]

I wrote a quick guide for it here: #h1-discussion message

[graceful sinew]

It makes the damage a bit more consistently hitting, but I died to Lernie anyways. I probably also shouldn‘t have just started with heat on a new aspect…

[graceful sinew]

Thank you!

[valid dagger]

Guan yu without levels is also pretty sad

As in punishing because of the big penalty

[zealous spoke]

Yeah

How smol can you make the HP reduction at max level?

20%?

That's honestly not bad at all

[worn solar]

50

[zealous spoke]

Though this is a secret aspect so you can't exactly level it all that easily, I can imagine

[zealous spoke]

So 5% more HP per level

Cool

[cunning urchin]

Hidden Aspects are 3 Titan Blood per level.

[valid dagger]

15 total

[zealous spoke]

That's rough

[valid dagger]

The third aspects cost more

16

[zealous spoke]

Weird

[last dirge]

PP can work decently on GY. You would have to use the spin, and there is some internal cooldown on arrows

[prisma nebula]

I like Support Fire. Is it actually good for any builds in practice?

[long escarp]

It’s decent on rails

And serviceable on fists I think

Actually it’s pretty good on Lucifer specifically, but still not worth forcing Arty for

[tawny grove]

basically if the weapon attacks fast then its p good

[long escarp]

But generally I think it’s a pretty overrated boon

[proper furnace]

is also one of the pre requisites for artemis legendary if you wanna gamble on that lol

[long escarp]

True

[cunning urchin]

Support Fire adds about the same DPS to Malphon as Lightning Strike.

Like, not Lightning Strike + Static Discharge, that's obviously a whole lot stronger, but just Lightning Strike.

[long escarp]

Lightning Strike minus the bouncing ofc

[sterile fiber]

It's nice to have on DC pacts since the arrows can break hearts on nearby enemies

[long escarp]

Oh yeah that’s true. If you’re doing high heat with an aspect that kinda struggles with DC, then SF can actually be pretty helpful

[cunning urchin]

No.

[long escarp]

No?

[strange lark]

No.

[cunning urchin]

It's about the same DPS including any bouncing from Chain Lightning.

The bounces don't do a lot of damage in the first place. And you'll often have situations where your Attack base damage kills the enemy, your Lightning Strike doesn't do anything because the enemy is dead, and your Support Fire arrow flies off and hits another target.

If you check with a DPS meter, the damage about evens out. Sometimes Support Fire actually did more than Lightning Strike.

But it's like pretty equal.

[last dirge]

Does it have the same cd as Zeus?

I'd assume so

[cunning urchin]

Support Fire can at best proc every 10 frames at 60 fps, so about every 167 ms. I didn't verify Lightning Strike myself, but I think @granite lava et al. found it's the same.

[long escarp]

Oh ok interesting

[hollow roost]

which god goes best with zag rail?

[lone jetty]

Zeus attack, Aphrodite/Artemis on special, unless you’ve got Spread Fire then you want Aphrodite or Artemis.

[hollow roost]

thank you I went with the zeus keepsake

[wary kestrel]

finally got beowulf

[proper furnace]

Enjoy the broken weapon

[prisma nebula]

Yeah that's silly damage

Lol I noticed no one uses Dionysus. Do his boons have a good use case?

Obv he's not good for speedrunning, but what about high heat?

Or specific weapons

[long escarp]

Dio has a lot of situations where he’s good. More than Dem does (especially if you discount the situations where you want her just for snow burst)

Drunken Strike is optimal for very high heat Eris (because RI and AP make static discharge inconsistent)

[prisma nebula]

Yeah it seems like Dem's use case is just 'it's my first 10 runs and I'm still learning the game'

[long escarp]

Yeah pretty much. Imo she has only two good boons

[prisma nebula]

Which ones are those?

[long escarp]

Snow Burst and Killing Freeze

[prisma nebula]

Oh yeah killing freeze rocks

It's a shame, i actually love Dio and Dem

It's fun to go shield/memebeams

And just chill out while everything gets cleared

[long escarp]

Crystal Clarity on Achilles is still pretty fun, but it’s not optimal imo

And trippy flare Beo is my favorite build in the game even though I admit it’s not really worth using competitively over passion or flood

[cunning urchin]

Chill is amazing.

[prisma nebula]

Killing freeze + Dio call my beloved

The true afk build

[long escarp]

Chill may be good but nothing that applies it is (beside snow burst) so it’s hard for me to see how good it actually is since in order to chill enemies, I’m forced to sacrifice dps

[cunning urchin]

Anything that inflicts Chill unlocks Killing Freeze.

Also Privileged Status.

[prisma nebula]

What's interesting is that you don't need to apply multiple stacks to get it, you just need to hit everything in the level

So it's honestly probably best on something that isn't your main damage dealing ability

[boreal lodge]

Breaching slash or shadow slash

For a sword attack build

[valid dagger]

Which aspect

[boreal lodge]

Zagreus

[valid dagger]

Breaching

[boreal lodge]

Alright

[valid dagger]

You should be dash striking

Shadow slash doesnt apply to dash strikes

So it doesnt do anything

Breaching will help you with armor and whatnot

Double Edge is your ideal hammer

[boreal lodge]

couldn't get it

I'm still going with sea storm because its the only duo I know

And the only level 3 keepsakes for boons I have are poseidon and zeus

[valid dagger]

You should learn other builds

Sea storm on sword isnt particularly great

[strong cipher]

Hi guys I'm starting a hellmode save file, how is the best way to put heat in this tipe of savefiles?

how do i start scaling heat in other words

[royal oyster]

how do i build guan yu

im just gonna get ares attack, poke them then run away

[strong cipher]

Start with Aphrodite or Artemis on special. Add Athena on attack so your spin move is a giant deflection wheel, or Aphrodite if you put Artemis on special. I would prioritize Aphrodite, because Weak is too useful when your HP is down.

[royal oyster]

thats good to know, thanks

[cunning urchin]

Guan Yu Guide by... me. #h1-discussion message

[neon ginkgo]

chaos build? i just maxed it out

[valid dagger]

Start Thunder Flourish and pray for a ton of Zeus

Static Discharge, Double Strike, Zeus' Aid, Splitting Bolt

[wary kestrel]

What’s everybody’s favorite aspect?

[neon ginkgo]

demeter fists personally

[wary kestrel]

I’m a Beowulf shield

[zealous spoke]

Zeus

[wary kestrel]

Nice

[zealous spoke]

I still have to get used to that one

I have a question

I feel like Beowulf is kinda vulnerable at the end of bull rush

[wary kestrel]

Trippy flare + Beowulf is insane

[zealous spoke]

Is this an issue for everyone or can I dash earlier than I am doing?

[neon ginkgo]

and zeus for the fog duo boon

[zealous spoke]

Isn't Crush Shot even more nuts?

[wary kestrel]

Yes

That was probably my best run

It was sub 9 minute

[zealous spoke]

Crush shot won't linger on the ground for 8 years so it's probably even faster

[zealous spoke]

Whoa

[wary kestrel]

Yeah ikr

Wait no

Hold on

The time was 8:53

[neon ginkgo]

yeah but with zeus duo the fog does more passive damage and it does more base damage then crush shot im p sure

[wary kestrel]

Sub 9 min

[zealous spoke]

Whatever, that's still 3 times my current fastest
Although to be fair I've never really tried to speedrun yet

[wary kestrel]

Sorry

[wary kestrel]

Yeah I don’t much

[zealous spoke]

It does do more damage each time, but crush shot is more spammable

[wary kestrel]

But my grinding with Beowulf has payed off

[zealous spoke]

And Crush Shot can also be combined with the "enemies take more damage while weak" boon as well

Weak's also just good on its own

[wary kestrel]

How much is your max heat gauge?

[zealous spoke]

I'm practicing EM4 so rn I'm at 10

[wary kestrel]

Nice

[long escarp]

That’s my favorite for-fun build

[zealous spoke]

I usually do that on Hera

[neon ginkgo]

hera with artemis cast and artemis legendary

[zealous spoke]

Since it's the only cast that does the aoe stuff with it whereas with beowulf all casts do that

[cunning urchin]

That's... pretty bad.

[zealous spoke]

Also I love the instant triple festive fog

[neon ginkgo]

its fun tho

[zealous spoke]

Feels like you're just nuking enemies

[worn solar]

your dashes dont have i frame while the casts are going off

[zealous spoke]

Oh

Oh that's weird...

[worn solar]

yeah its beo

[cunning urchin]

Beo means bug in Old English.

[valid dagger]

[long escarp]

Nah you gotta do Beo for the pom bug

[strange lark]

do it on talos

50% extra cast damage pretty nuts

[long escarp]

Eww

How about 2x cast damage with bugged mirage

[strange lark]

i dont like cheating

[long escarp]

Lmao

[lost charm]

guys, super silly question. Is it possible to have a full build - or at least mostly - of a certain god?

[zealous spoke]

Yeah

[lost charm]

my last run with the rail was accidentaly focused on demeter, but sadly ares got in her way

[zealous spoke]

Though you'd probably need a lot of Fated Authority just to keep you from being forced to pick others

[lost charm]

oh, k

[zealous spoke]

Do you have the Authority keys?

Those would probably help

Though I have yet to use them for myself so I can't really know

[lost charm]

keys? like those that we get during the run?

[zealous spoke]

Yeah

[proper furnace]

is one of the work orders

[zealous spoke]

Chthonic keys

[lost charm]

oh, yeah yeah. got those

[proper furnace]

picking keys will give you charges for your authority/persuasion

[lost charm]

oooooh, right

for a few seconds my mind literally was frozen lol

[proper furnace]

keyword on picking cause buying them at charon shop doesnt work lol

[lost charm]

got it

can't wait to try a full demeter build, or mostly, on the rail

oh @proper furnace I think you gave me the advice to turn off the attack at cursor button

thanks A LOT, btw

[proper furnace]

nice

[lost charm]

using the rail without it is super helpful

[unreal tree]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/908168128750567456.gif?size=44&quality=lossless

[feral night]

how does the damage boost from eris and achilles affect demeter cast

[zealous spoke]

Eris is global so it should just affect everything

[feral night]

does it only boost the cast during the damage boost time or for the entirety of the cast?

ah ok

[zealous spoke]

Wait no, only during the time

And Achilles isn't time based anyway

So it should affect the whole thing

[feral night]

alright, makes sense

[tawny grove]

considering trying a fresh file run
id obviously fail it but hey its possibpe

i want to try and get out of tartarus at least on fresh file

[long escarp]

You could totally do that

[tawny grove]

im not very confident (im not good at high heats) but yeah i think thats a reasonable goal

[tawny grove]

did it

[long escarp]

Very nice

[tawny grove]

died to lernie sadly

got farther then i expected though

also theres health rooms in first runs??? what?? like the fast food icon thing

and meg shows up in the hallway

[strange lark]

It happens when you get three blue laurel room choices since you can only get keys and darkness in your first run the game gives you food

[tawny grove]

oh thats very interesting

[turbid needle]

gods legacy or gods pride

[ornate needle]

with aspect of guan yu can't hades just oneshot you?

[cunning urchin]

Maybe at low levels if you don't pick up Centaur Hearts.

[tawny grove]

one shot him first

[prisma nebula]

just dont get hit

[unreal tree]

[near heath]

So what is the best hammer for Beowulf shield?

Besides Charged Shot

[prisma nebula]

sudden rush, ferocious guard, breaching rush if you get it before lernie

[near heath]

Ferocious Guard?

[prisma nebula]

when you block you get a damage/speed buff for 10s

since youre blocking a ton on beo its much more powerful

[near heath]

Ooh I see

Minotaur Rush isn't good right

[prisma nebula]

yeah that one sucks

[near heath]

Wait so if it does more damage than Breaching Rush

What makes it bad again

[prisma nebula]

makes your rush slow

when youre playing beo you want a fast rush

[near heath]

Oooh I see

[prisma nebula]

cause all your damage is in your flare

[near heath]

But Charged Shot is the big one right

[prisma nebula]

yeah that has everything

[near heath]

The one you always want to aim for

[prisma nebula]

makes your rush fast, and means youre not moving with it

so you get a lot more control over what youre doing

[near heath]

Goes through walls and gaps too

I knew I would like it but

That one got me

[prisma nebula]

oh yea that too

[near heath]

Is it worth taking on other aspects?

[prisma nebula]

zeus is excellent for high heat iirc

chaos is overrated

later on im gonna switch back to zag shield and try a dread flight build

when i was still sub-10 clears I loved using dread flight to just smack everything with my special

but i didnt know how to properly use it

[near heath]

What do you run with Zeus Shield?

[valid dagger]

Chaos shield is pretty weak yea

[near heath]

I remember I used to run Sea Storm with it

[valid dagger]

The damage and speed are so bad compared to other stuff

[prisma nebula]

its good if you get explosive return i guess?

but idk

[valid dagger]

Go for Thunder Flourish and look for more Zeus

[prisma nebula]

yeah zeus on zeus on zeus iirc

[near heath]

So I've been playing it right already

Nice

[prisma nebula]

what do i do if i wanna do dread flight/explosive return

[valid dagger]

Explosive Return definitely amazing but unless you get a lot of Zeus to complement it or global damage it’s still weak

[prisma nebula]

is that a zeus spam or do i wanna go artemis

[near heath]

Maybe Thunder Flourish

Or IDK Doom?

[prisma nebula]

actually maybe ME is good for dreadflight

[near heath]

honestly Zeus Special is just an amazing weapon

[valid dagger]

You can also do Merciful End on Zeus shield

[prisma nebula]

i mean ME works for everything

lmfao

its so stupid

[valid dagger]

Almost yea

[prisma nebula]

but yea i reckon if im dreadflight id go either zeus or ME

[near heath]

Yeah almost everything works with ME

[prisma nebula]

maybe seastorm?

[valid dagger]

I mean it’s Dread flight

So you’re memeing

[near heath]

Seastorm is good but then you need 2 core Poseidon boons

[prisma nebula]

i know lmfao

i just love pressing q

[near heath]

You play on keyboard?

[prisma nebula]

yea

[prisma nebula]

that should be ok, poseidon special and dash i reckon

[near heath]

I suggest Cast but Atack isn't that bad

[prisma nebula]

tru

[near heath]

I mean if you want Seastorm you want Zeus on your Special

[prisma nebula]

oh right yea

durr

[near heath]

So that leaves Cast Attack or Call

But if you could get Zeus Call why get Poseidon Call

[prisma nebula]

yea zeus call leaves smair open

just in case

[near heath]

ye

So I would say Cast is the best

[prisma nebula]

Yep

[near heath]

But Attack can also work since Shield already pushes enemies away

And it's not like the extra pushback affects it negatively right

[prisma nebula]

I wonder about Artemis dreadflight actually

On paper it doesn't seem too awful

Hunter's Mark and art special

[zealous spoke]

Isn't Poseidon call, like, really good?

[long escarp]

It’s pretty good

Definitely top 3 imo

[zealous spoke]

A single bar can allow you to get two hits if you're close enough and move in a circle, which allows you to deal, what, 700+ damage if you have some good levels/rarity on it?

That's for only 25% of the bar

Kinda nuts in my eyes

And also impervious time

[long escarp]

Have you seen how much damage Zeus call can do?

Zeus, Poseidon, and Dio call are my top 3

[zealous spoke]

Less than that, that's for sure

[long escarp]

I’m pretty sure it’s not

Especially with double strike or jolted

[zealous spoke]

A few hits that deal ~50 is more than two hits that deal 250

[long escarp]

Let me fact check that hold on

[zealous spoke]

It would have to hit 10 times

[long escarp]

I’m aware

[zealous spoke]

Does Zeus call hit 10 times when used with 25% gauge?

[long escarp]

I’m trying to find out how many times it hits

Apparently 5 or 6

So yeah fair

But if you can be doing damage while the call is happening, then it beats Poseidon

And you can still use the initial i-frames to help you do that

[zealous spoke]

Tbh Poseidon deals its damage pretty fast

And I think the iframes for the full duration is nice

[long escarp]

It does, but not fast enough for a speedrun tbh

[zealous spoke]

Also opens up for mobility

[long escarp]

But Zeus’s aid gets double strike

And jolted

[zealous spoke]

Poseidon gets razor shoals and whatever the one that dealt extra boss damage was called

[long escarp]

And also opens up billowing strength

[zealous spoke]

I think they're relatively matched

[long escarp]

Yeah but those do less imo

[zealous spoke]

Probably

[long escarp]

But yeah, I agree. Although Zeus’s aid being a prereq for Smair puts it over for any build that starts with heartbreak strike or passion flare (which is a good bunch)

[zealous spoke]

Mirage shot tho

And sea storm

Though both are a requirement for that one so ignore that

... Exclusive access?

[long escarp]

Sea storm with the call is not very good

[zealous spoke]

Yeah but it opens it up at least

And Zeus call with sea storm is even worse when you think about it

[long escarp]

Smair is so good that it’s often at least a soft carry for a lot of runs and all you need is a decent call (or even a bad one tbh)

[zealous spoke]

Yeah

[long escarp]

And it doesn’t matter what the rest of your build is

[zealous spoke]

Also

How does smair work with Hades call?

[long escarp]

It doesn’t

[zealous spoke]

Since it requires 50% to be used

[long escarp]

Yeah it’s impossible

[zealous spoke]

Lmfao

The game still lets you pick it, tho?

[long escarp]

I don’t know actually

I don’t think Hades call is a prereq for it

And you can’t switch to sigil if you have Smair

[zealous spoke]

There are keepsakes that are prereqs for certain boons so idk

[long escarp]

There are, yes. But this isn’t one of those cases

[zealous spoke]

And Call boons don't show Calls as prereqs in the Codex even though they're obviously required to be used

So idk

[long escarp]

I’m 95% sure it’s impossible

And if you were to combine them, you just wouldn’t be able to call

[zealous spoke]

Who even uses sigil anyway?

[long escarp]

Speedrunners

It’s very good for some speed aspects

[zealous spoke]

Oh, really?

[long escarp]

Yeah

[zealous spoke]

Going invisible?

[long escarp]

100% global damage boost

[zealous spoke]

Yeah

But for 50% bar?

[long escarp]

But it starts at 30%

And charges quickly with Eris

[zealous spoke]

And keeping you from picking any other calls or god keepsakes?

[zealous spoke]

Oh, wait, it can be ranked up, of course

[proper furnace]

You need to get get a call thag gets you smoldering air first, then get SA, sell the call and then grab dad call

[long escarp]

I mean, I just know they use it for a reason

[zealous spoke]

Still doesn't seem amazing tbh but idek

[shell sleet]

[long escarp]

I thought that was impossible

[proper furnace]

If you do all that you have somthing useless

Is possible just that it wont do anything

[long escarp]

Gotcha

[shell sleet]

hades call is a lot better than pretty much every other keepsake you can take into Ely on anyheat eris

[long escarp]

Yep

[proper furnace]

Sigil of the dad good

Gotta eat those double spins

[zealous spoke]

Hrm, but are cast builds really that incredible? It's only one attack that gets a buff, for 50% meter

[shell sleet]

health is a resource

[long escarp]

It’s not one attack

[zealous spoke]

I'm having trouble seeing that being better than normal calls

[shell sleet]

it's not

[zealous spoke]

Oh wait

[long escarp]

It’s global for 2-3 seconds I think?

[shell sleet]

it's the full duration of the call

[zealous spoke]

Never mind I'm stupid

[long escarp]

And it’s 100%

Which is a lot

[shell sleet]

the text is very misleading

[lucid oar]

50% movement

Not damage

[proper furnace]

The movespeed-invs is the one that goes away

[zealous spoke]

I thought the attack that ended the invisibility did extra damage

Or at least a short time after the invisibility ends

[proper furnace]

I thought that for a long time lol

[shell sleet]

same

[zealous spoke]

Tbh when I got Sigil of the Dead I totally thought it would let you use the Eldest Sigil or whatever crap lets Nyx teleport to Chaos

Not sure if I should be disappointed or relieved

Speaking of late game keepsakes, thoughts on Pom Blossom?

[long escarp]

It’s mediocre

Great for for-fun runs though

[proper furnace]

Is fun ye

Gotta have that max hangover

[long escarp]

But in a context of speed or heat I very rarely find it to be worth

[zealous spoke]

I can only imagine that's where this guy's pfp came from right

[long escarp]

Gotta have lvl 15+ trippy flare

[zealous spoke]

Maybe if you already had a good build and just wanted to have higher level stuff?

[proper furnace]

Oh Pancake do you wanna see Demeter Legendary doing nothinf?

[lucid oar]

Some free mobile editing app and a haelian video from a year ago?

[zealous spoke]

Just imagine, tho

[long escarp]

But at that point you’re probably in acorn territory. And if it’s asphodel you’re better off with coin purse

[proper furnace]

And depending in build even charon keeosake can be considered

Wells good

[long escarp]

Agreed

[proper furnace]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/942263189599563816/2022021300340500-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4
Enjoy a trippy flare moment btw

[zealous spoke]

At some point I've considered taking an extra detour thru styx tunnels in a cast build to see if I could find a Prometheus Stone on a cast build

Oh, btw, does bone hourglass affect Patroclus?

[long escarp]

I mean if it’s a casual run then it’s worth

[long escarp]

No

[proper furnace]

Not charon items

[zealous spoke]

To be expected, but sadge

[long escarp]

I feel like those last long enough

[proper furnace]

22 chambers touch of styx dark

[near heath]

Zeus call has a lot of synergy

Plus I kinda don't like Poseidon Call

[proper furnace]

Poseidon call has 1 boon that sinergizes with it but it does it so great

Rip current is way too fun

[long escarp]

Yeah rip current is kinda busted

Especially with smair

[zealous spoke]

What about the boss damage boon?

[proper furnace]

Also pancake were you in time to see Rama being the fastest weapon for a while?

[long escarp]

Yeah

[zealous spoke]

Rama's pretty cool

[long escarp]

That was the week before I left

[proper furnace]

Rama being fast is still hilarious

[zealous spoke]

I tried a triple shot build on Artemis and it melted bosses from close up

[proper furnace]

Like i get it but my mind just thinks of it as a high heat weapons lmao

[shell sleet]

well it lasts till dad on a 2sack already

don't think it would make a huge difference

[feral night]

what's a good chaos build

[last dirge]

I like bad influence builds tbh

That's a dionysus boon. Get dionysus on special and try to get Artemis or Aphrodite on attack

Hammers depend but stuff like charged shot is best

[strange lark]

just play chaos like bad zag shield

[oblique sierra]

Why

[long escarp]

Because bad zag shield is still better than chaos

[valid dagger]

[oblique sierra]

[grand brook]

[unreal tree]

Its true

[half copper]

If I've already got curse of agony and divine flourish, should I avoid getting curse of pain? Would release flourish

[worn solar]

its unadvised having more than one source of doom. the stronger doom will replace the weaker one if you hit with both

[half copper]

Oh okay

Good to know

[worn solar]

hangover is similar except at max stacks the most recent stack will replace the first one

also divine flourish is a prereq for merciful end

[half copper]

Will I lose ME if I replace flourish?

I already have ME, but im not gonna replace flourish anyways

[worn solar]

you wont

[turbid needle]

Am i wrong in saying pom porridge is better than ambrosia delight

[long escarp]

Depends a lot on context

[turbid needle]

I havent really picked up on how rarities improve a boom versus how levels do

[long escarp]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m3szhM3cG99skqJ1tIDxLjZLZVPTle71KIhIxmvOmvY/edit

[turbid needle]

So eg flood shot rare would start ar 72 and add 6, 8, 12 damage per pom (or whatever the exact numbers are) and then for some of the rarities they instead add a multiplier?

[worn solar]

rarity affects the lvl 1 stats

[earnest hatch]

Anybody know how to use Beowulf shield because

I like every aspect of every weapon except that

Does it work on strictly cast builds?

[long escarp]

Well yeah

That’s literally how the weapon works

[earnest hatch]

I’ve done cast builds on a lot of weapons but Beowulf still feels really clunky

[long escarp]

It can take some practice

[earnest hatch]

What build is typically best?

[long escarp]

Start with passion flare

Or flood flare

[earnest hatch]

I can get out with Beowulf but I can’t do high heat like at all

[long escarp]

And look for Artemis attack and Mirage Shot

Beo is tbh one of the easiest high heat aspects, at least until like 55

Arguably until 60

Mirage Shot is bugged with Beo so the copy actually does full damage

[earnest hatch]

I’ll try that

Idk maybe it’s just not for me it seems like a cool weapon though

[long escarp]

Give it some practice

Imo it’s the best aspect in the game

[earnest hatch]

I just came back to the game so I learned Doom Shield got nerfed really hard lmfao

[long escarp]

Beo is stupid busted

[earnest hatch]

I’ve been enjoying tf out of Lucifer tbh it’s like wow

[long escarp]

If you read the bug dog in my about me, you’ll see that a lot of them are just Beo bugs lmao

[earnest hatch]

Sea Storm Lucifer is funny

[long escarp]

It is pretty funny

Painful when it doesn’t get everything it needs. But funny

[earnest hatch]

Yeah sometimes I struggle getting everything on it

Is Gilgamesh any good?

I’ve been trying high heat on it and it fares somewhat well but I get hit a lot more than with anything else

[long escarp]

No

[valid dagger]

It’s average at best

For high heat it’s pretty bad

But every aspect has atleast done 53 heat so

[long escarp]

Ah, you must be making the classic mistake of pressing the attack button. Rookie mistake

[valid dagger]

You can watch some vods to see how Beowulf is played

[earnest hatch]

It’s so much fun but it feels like suicide sometimes

[valid dagger]

For high heat/ Speedrunning

[long escarp]

Try dash only. It’s genuinely just the way to go tbh. My Gil 40 was nearly dash only

[earnest hatch]

Poseidon dash right?

That’s the one I usually use

[valid dagger]

Yea

[earnest hatch]

I usually go Low Tolerance or Sea Storm on it

Idk how good Dio dash really is the noise is just super satisfying

[valid dagger]

The Hangover ticks don’t do much

[long escarp]

That’s an understatement

One tidal dash does nearly as much damage as 5 drunken dashes + 4 seconds of waiting

[earnest hatch]

Also what are your weapons for going like

Really high heat bc

[long escarp]

How high is really high

[earnest hatch]

Your heat is probably super high but I just mean around 30+

[long escarp]

Anything works at that heat

But if you want easier aspects

[earnest hatch]

What’s overpowered is what I’m asking lol

[long escarp]

I suggest:
Beo, Zeus, Hestia, Eris, Rama

[earnest hatch]

ZEUS? That’s a thing people use?

[long escarp]

Zag shield if it’s modded

[long escarp]

It literally has the heat world record

[earnest hatch]

What

How what Wh

[long escarp]

62

[earnest hatch]

????????

[long escarp]

Zeus is insanely good

[earnest hatch]

What did they DO

I mean Zeus alright ig it was pretty cool but I didn’t know it was like that funky

[long escarp]

And also very pact-resistant

Nah Zeus is crazy good

Very hard though

[earnest hatch]

What do you even go

[long escarp]

Zeus special + jolted

Explosive return

Heartbreak strike maybe

Maybe even smoldering air

As long as you have Thunder flourish + static discharge, you can’t go wrong

Just fill your jolted with poms

[earnest hatch]

Wow crazy

I’ll try it

[long escarp]

Again, it is very hard to play well to be fair. If you’re not seeing results, that’s because it takes a lot of practice to get the hang of

[worn solar]

https://imgur.com/a/ZYGg2lp

[earnest hatch]

Yeah yeah...

I just tried it and

Sweet jesus

I got Rare crop on Demeter attack and Zeus special and by the end it was insane

[valid dagger]

Aight lemme steal this one too

[shell sleet]

i see that was a 10 second heroes fight

so youre still about 11 seconds slower than the average beo heroes

[fading nymph]

beo when beo momennt

[valid dagger]

lol

[unreal tree]

[jagged cove]

Hi guys I’m trying to find a list of the best builds, I mean something like this

Like what’s the best set ups that I should try to find for each aspect, there’s a place where I can find it?

[valid dagger]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

This has a good variety of builds

[unreal tree]

Might make something like this for 50 heat

For all aspects

Since the meta is quite a bit different

[valid dagger]

Meta for 50 heat is letting ap2 decide

[lone jetty]

Or ap1 and get a build that isn’t quite good enough for superdad

[turbid needle]

Sea storm + mirage shot… oh boy

And support fire

And flurry cast? Wtf

[high trench]

So the meme beams hit pretty hard, especially with mirage shot and Hermes legendary...heat enough to melt two identical buildings. Feels bad to see dad say this though
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/506944220737699843/945769433115295804/unknown.png?width=1191&height=670

[turbid needle]

Should i take divine strike w aspect of demeter

[long escarp]

No

You need something to deal actual damage

[strange lark]

get zeus attack

[long escarp]

Yeah

That or doom + ME

[oblique sierra]

Zappy knuckles gud

[turbid needle]

Whats a good special for demeter

[strange lark]

breaching cross or explosive upper

kinetic launcher kinda pog too

[turbid needle]

My b, meant boon-wise

[strange lark]

wait im the stupid one i thought you said hammers for whatever reason

artemis for big number

or aphro

[analog cove]

Yeah fists you want percent special and flat attack

I like drunken strike although I’ll admit it’s not the strongest

[turbid needle]

Ok nice i got drunken strike and im being offered poseidon

for special

[long escarp]

Oh no

Poseidon special is really bad

And drunken strike is also quite bad imo

[zealous spoke]

Meme beams are amazing
If you can get like the 5 boons needed to make them good

[long escarp]

Stygian Soul -> Crystal Beam + Glacial Glare + Arctic Blast + Crystal Clarity + Mirage Shot + A lot of bloodstones

[high trench]

I'm trying
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/506944220737699843/945786673520844881/unknown.png?width=1191&height=670

[zealous spoke]

Jeez

When you're so lucky you're really unlucky

[high trench]

Couldn't care less about cold embrace. It's the other two I'm worried about

Just before heroes, no DD

No guarantee there will be a Demeter/Artemis boon in Styx either

[zealous spoke]

I mean, this is meme beam, Crystal Clarity is the one reason this build exists

No question you take it before stubborn roots

[high trench]

Thanks Silver

This run's on you

[zealous spoke]

This EM4?

[high trench]

Nah

So guess it'll be no probs

Clarity it is then

[zealous spoke]

You already got the rest?

[high trench]

Yeah, more or less.

[zealous spoke]

Nice

What weapon is this, btw?

[high trench]

I was actually just going to tick off my prophecies. Still no athena boons. Oh and this is Zag spear for dark thirst

[zealous spoke]

Too bad it's not Achilles

That would've been even better

[high trench]

Nevermind, heroes just got melted

Guess I'll be fine

[zealous spoke]

Lmao

Once you get used to the heroes they feel more tame, definitely

[long escarp]

Stubborn Roots sucks. Super easy choice

Imo

[high trench]

I'm still trying to get winter harvest. No success so far on account of having to switch around certain boons

[zealous spoke]

I got it as a last reward in Styx then proceeded to die to EM4 the one time I got it

Didn't even get to use it

Not that it's a legendary I was that excited for tbh

[proper furnace]

demeter legendary is super fun to see on bosses

[zealous spoke]

Yeah

But for Hades it only works for the last phase's 10%, which isn't really that much for a legendary that's gonna do nothing for the rest of the fight

[proper furnace]

with the right builds you can make winter harvest do nothing

[high trench]

I'll try for it now with em4

[sterile fiber]

I still find it funny that winter harvest is one of the hardest boons to get here, then in dead cells it's a skill you can just put on after the first biome

[young lagoon]

What's the best keepsake and companion

[proper furnace]

Keepsakes the gifts the characters give you when you gift them nectar for the first time
Companions are similar but only some characters and when you give them ambrosia

[young lagoon]

Whats the best ones??

I meant to ask what's the best ones 😭

[tawny grove]

depends

[young lagoon]

I just need to go faster

My pb is 20min

[tawny grove]

hermes lambent plume might be helpful then!!

[proper furnace]

For keepsake depends in builds

[tawny grove]

it lets you practice clearing rooms fast

[proper furnace]

Companion meg us the used in soeedruns

[young lagoon]

Oh

[young lagoon]

Thanks alot

[tawny grove]

yeah battie is very good

[lucid oar]

It comes out very quickly

[proper furnace]

Have you looked at the speedrun guide btw?

[lucid oar]

And strips armour from minibosses

[young lagoon]

No I can't find one

[cunning urchin]

Lambent Plume does like nothing for clear speed.

https://youtu.be/_bxwSsTPubI

[lucid oar]

Rush delivery higher chance

[young lagoon]

Thx

[lucid oar]

And 10% movement is not to be sniffed at if you have HS already

I’d keep it on for styx

[tawny grove]

oh speaking of lord hermes’ favor is to talk to him with max plume right

[valid dagger]

Well you need your build to be done to equip it in Aspho for higher rd odds

[proper furnace]

Yeah

[cunning urchin]

@lucid oar yes, but that's for specific situations if you know very well what you're doing. If somebody's still working on their first sub 20s, Lambent Plume doesn't do anything for them.

[lucid oar]

Dodge chance keeps up high confidence more

[cunning urchin]

High Confidence doesn't do much if the build sucks.

[valid dagger]

[young lagoon]

Why does every speed run I watch use the gun?

[worn solar]

maybe youve only watched eris speedruns

[proper furnace]

Gun good

[worn solar]

sub 20 is mostly just understanding how builds works shouldnt have to use a specific aspect https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

[high trench]

Alright lads - what's that good afk Excalibur build that runs on deflection/revenge. Athena/Zeus/Ares right?

[worn solar]

would prolly want to put in aphro ig

idk if vengeful mood is all that important with how slow it is

[valid dagger]

Damage reduction gud

[long escarp]

Idk but it’s definitely not the only top tier option

[cunning urchin]

Speedruns were probably like 90% Eris in 1.0, but it's a whole lot more versatile now.

[long escarp]

Rama held wr for a few days

[cunning urchin]

Eris is super easy to do well with, anyway.

[long escarp]

Beo too

[unreal tree]

Wdym nemesis is the easiest aspect

Just put like 700 hours into it

You'II get it eventually

[proper furnace]

fists are super easy too

[unreal tree]

I mean for speedruns its kinda braindead

[cunning urchin]

Nemesis is just RNG. You spam Special > Dash-Strike x2 > repeat and then you either die or a have a good (clear) time.

[long escarp]

Easy to play, hard to get results with because they’re bad

[unreal tree]

"why am I leaving tart at 2:50"

[cunning urchin]

That's when you die by choice.

[tawny grove]

eh my fastest time is with fists
granted its merciful end fists

[strange lark]

My fastest time is with hestia therefore it is the best weapon in the game

[long escarp]

Right but what is that time

[cunning urchin]

Speedrunner: "I wanna play melee today."
Amir: "Let me just put this single enemy aaaall the way over here and this other one aaaaall the way on the other side of the map, and this one..."

[proper furnace]

curb your asphodel.mp4

[worn solar]

jumping enemies

[tawny grove]

dont remember

[tawny grove]

obviously.

[valid dagger]

Fists start to suffer anywhere near sub630

[strange lark]

I mean 185 got fists sub 6 so it can't be that hard

[worn solar]

theres also the whole ME resets in general

[valid dagger]

Yea

It’s also the only fists sub6

[strange lark]

[cunning urchin]

Highheatrunner: "I wanna play melee today."
Amir: "Let me just put some Speeder Wavemakers... somewhere on this map. Where? I dunno. And neither do you."

[long escarp]

That feels like an understatement, since there are currently 4 Demeter runs on the (unmodded) leaderboard that are sub 6:30 (and none sub 6:20)

[cunning urchin]

Real Amir quotes btw.

[long escarp]

There are only 10 that are even sub 7

[cunning urchin]

Part of it is that I don't think anyone wants to play Malphon atm. Resetting for Merciful End isn't the most fun.

No competitive speedrunners, I mean.

And anything else isn't competitive.

[tawny grove]

theres this one elysium rolm that takes me ages because the enemies are always spread out

room*

[valid dagger]

Yea I don’t think many people actively grind demeter fists wr nowadays

It was just 185 for a while but that’s it

[cunning urchin]

https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/chamber-layout/elysium-room-layout/

[valid dagger]

I feel like it’s also similar with Nemesis

[tawny grove]

oh thanks

its this one, by the way

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/836127470725627904/945821594339663872/image0.jpg

[worn solar]

bridge room my not beloved

[valid dagger]

[worn solar]

https://imgur.com/a/BNHagRK

[proper furnace]

bridge room moment

[valid dagger]

Oh yea this guy

It actually looks hilarious lol

[turbid needle]

Omg😂

[long escarp]

???

Where did he come from

[proper furnace]

from the other side of the bridge ofc

[worn solar]

the other side of the underworld

[long escarp]

But how

That’s so stupid lmao

[tawny grove]

curb your elysium

[proper furnace]

it just build different

[cunning urchin]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/e/ee/Cid_Victory_Pose.gif

[gusty rapids]

im late but sword can be difficult in the respect of piloting +dashes

probably the hardest weapon to do so with since the hitbox is p narrow

[cunning urchin]

@astral lantern how much Titan Blood do you have? Unlocking an aspect and fully upgrading it are very different.

[astral lantern]

5

[cunning urchin]

Hmmm. Use that to fully upgrade Zag Bow, then get Heartbreak Strike and look for Lady Artemis or Lord Zeus.

[astral lantern]

K

[cunning urchin]

From Lady Artemis, you'll want Hunter Dash and either Deadly Flourish or True Shot (doesn't really matter which) to then unlock Heart Rend (their Duo Boon) and Hunter's Mark.

From Lord Zeus, you'll want Zeus' Aid and then Smoldering Air (their Duo Boon).

Also look for Strike and Lunge boons from Master Chaos.

[vivid condor]

Hunters Mark got me unironically wilding

its my favorite boon from artemis

[astral lantern]

K

[shell sleet]

you know how sometimes zag dashes further than normal when you dash over a gap in the map thats just a little too big

i think thats what that spear boi experienced

but x10

[minor plover]

hi friends. admittedly i'm not very good at video game, but does anyone have any tips for using the bow? i'm slowly getting through lower heat but it feels super slow and clunky to me and i've barely cleared hades at <5 heat, but i've seen a lot of videos of people doing really fast paced gameplay with it while i'm like

[valid dagger]

Learn to dash strike and powershot consistently

[long escarp]

Yeah every attack should be a dash strike and almost every attack should be a power shot

Ignore special outside of a few niche situations

Use empty dashes to avoid boss attacks between power shots

[prisma nebula]

or be like me, use chiron and just stand there pressing special all day lmfao

[long escarp]

…and also attacking to get them to home in right?

[prisma nebula]

Sure

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-paranoid-gif-4974019

[royal oyster]

how to use meg in hades fight?

[cunning urchin]

Just summon her immediately at the start. That'll do it.

[long escarp]

And if it’s EM4, try to summon after his 33% shield goes down and hit him and at least two summons to maximize it (or just use it to strip the armor off his first summon if you plan to burst him down after the second summon phase)
And if you’re speedrunning something like Beo with enough damage to put up the shield in one shot in P1 but not P2, it’s probably best to summon in P2 right as his shield goes down

[tawny grove]

does anyone know of a guide (like the beo speedrun doc) for hestia? i like having all the info in one place

[valid dagger]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1019DSLlyHwg7_oIiN3Il-NUYdHEbl783G7ZvstFSCD4/edit?usp=sharing

[tawny grove]

[valid dagger]

I don't think they're available anywhere

You'd have to dig through the lua files

[tawny grove]

whats the best weapon for a boonless run, btw

[valid dagger]

Zag bow is very strong aswell

Cshot + Zag shield aswell

You could try asking in the Modding Server since they know where a lot of that data is so they could direct you to the correct file/line etc

But I can't think of a scenario where that would be the case

[unreal tree]

Talos heavy knuckle if you're gamer

🧲

[valid dagger]

It's pinned in #self-promotion

[sly igloo]

Alrighty so I'm fairly new to Hades but I've beat Hades 4 times.

Poseidon sword, Achilles spear, Chaos shield, and Eris rail

My question is what's the best aspect for fists and bow to get a first winning run with them??

[grand brook]

demeter fists and hera bow

use crush shot and snow burst on hera bow and try to get either Merciful End on the fists or use a build with lightning strike

[sly igloo]

Thanks, those builds sound pretty strong

[grand brook]

no problem. if you use lightning strike with demeter fists you should get more zeus boons like jolted, double strike, maybe zeus' call + aphrodite special for smouldering air

[sly igloo]

Zeus is one of my fav gods, got my first win with him on the rail

[proper furnace]

Chiron bow also works but needs more levels

[grand brook]

zeus is my favorite god

[long escarp]

Zeus is very good

Probably my favorite god too tbh

[shell sleet]

zeus is my favourite god when i get epic jolted out of tart miniboss

zeus is my least favourite god when he ghosts me till elysium and doesnt give me jolted even after a roll

[grand brook]

that never happened to me

i usually get at least 2-3 zeus boons pretty quickly when i start with thunder signet

now aphro on the other hand trolled me by not giving me her special or offering smair

but kept offering boons i didnt want

ya want wave of despair? what about life affirmation? how about sweet surrender even if I can barely apply weak anyway since I'm literally finishing enemies off with the special?

[long escarp]

Those aren’t T2s, they’re non-core T1s

Oh well sweet surrender is a T2

[grand brook]

really, which ones are which then

i thought the non core boons were considered tier 2

[long escarp]

No

A tier 2 is a boon that you need to have another boon in order to be offered

[grand brook]

ahh ok

theres tier 3 too right?

[long escarp]

Yeah, most legendary boons are tier 3

But some, like Fully Loaded, are just T2

[grand brook]

so the duo boons would be tier 2, or tier 3?

[long escarp]

Tier 2

Because they only require core boons

If a duo ever required a tier 2 boon, then it would be a tier 3

But even the duos that require non-core boons (like vengeful mood) are still tier 2 because all of their prerequisites are tier 1

[last dirge]

What about Cold Fusion?

Does Jolted not count as t2? It requires a core boon itself.

Maybe 2.5

[long escarp]

Oh yeah true

Cold Fusion would be a T3 Duo

[proper furnace]

Black out is also a t2 legendary

[cunning urchin]

Duo Boons are tier 3.

Tier 3 or t3 is just another way of saying duo/legendary.

[astral lantern]

Anyone got a zag bow build

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike + Hunter Dash and anything from Lady Artemis that unlocks Heart Rend.

Or Heartbreak Strike + Zeus' Aid and then Smoldering Air.

Ideally all of that in one build.

You'll also want Hunter's Mark.

Best hammers are Twin Shot and Triple Shot, and then Perfect Shot and Point-Blank Shot.

[charred moss]

What's the pick?

..........

I have ME with Ares attack Athena Special and Dash.

Zeus Call with the support boon that makes your lightning strike area larger.

Here are the choices.

Rare Electric Shot, Epic Static Discharge, Splitting Bolt

Sorry..... I'm on Guan Yu.

This is my Biome3 mini boss reward.

[shell sleet]

if zeus call is your only source of lightning damage i think splitting outdamages static discharge by quite a bit

(its never electric shot)

i would take splitting bolt personally

[charred moss]

I was thinking the opposite. Jolted will be 11 9and Splitting Bolt says Lightning Damage 40.

[shell sleet]

yeah but you get 1-2 jolted procs per call

[charred moss]

I still don't know how damage is tallied in this game.

I always feel that Splitting Bolt is good when you have Zeus attack on Demeter or Eris or another high DPS weapon.

[shell sleet]

while i think 6 splitting procs per call (could be wrong on that, i think the number of bolts per lesser call is around 6)

[charred moss]

I'm gonna take Splitting Bolt and see how it goes.

[shell sleet]

oh and if you see a second zeus its a lot easier to get jolted again rather than splitting

[charred moss]

That is a solid assessment as well.

[shell sleet]

@cunning urchin do you know how many times zeus call hits from a lesser call?

[worn solar]

well anyways the chance to be offered jolted again is a lot higher than splitting

[long escarp]

I believe it’s about 6, yes

[analog bolt]

what aspect of the gun is good with zeus boons?

[tawny grove]

eris

zeus attack and all his support boons + splash dash
sea storm is a nice bonus but it’s not needed

[analog bolt]

ok thank you

[cunning urchin]

Lightning Strike, Static Discharge, Tidal Dash, and a decent % Special (not Tempest Flourish) are the main things you're looking for.

Poms on Tidal Dash and Static Discharge.

[analog bolt]

ok thank you, will try my next gun run

[marsh radish]

whoos boon should i get on stygşus zagreus aspect

[formal gale]

what do i do with Guan Yu

ok bot

Im sorry

it feels really bad to play

[shell sleet]

charged skewer, aphrodite/artemis special

[valid dagger]

Or ME

[cunning urchin]

Guan Yu guide: #h1-discussion message

[valid dagger]

And get used to doing Special > x2 Dash strikes

[formal gale]

Thank you

[shell sleet]

ME

[valid dagger]

It’s gud

One of the best ME weapons

[worn solar]

also best seastorm weapon

[lucid oar]

Or drunken strike heartbreak flourish

[valid dagger]

This with +3 dashes is so fun to play

[valid dagger]

Chiron pls

[valid dagger]

@royal oyster https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IHgXN-_iYn3G2BWUJ05GSi0Qm4j4FsE0yPNM3stKpOE/edit

[royal oyster]

any detailed nemesis and eris guide

[unreal tree]

https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GvdbSS3DrM0LHzZWWmWHt15Z87LFNUf-xUmH1_BMLps/edit?usp=sharing

[royal oyster]

thank you

[near heath]

Does Sea Storm proc if you use shield to pushback

[strange lark]

ye

[near heath]

Dayum

So Sea Storm with Jolted on Shield is a good idea

[strange lark]

sure

[near heath]

Okay not a particularly good idea

[valid dagger]

[near heath]

But I tried it out with Beowulf shield

And I made it work with Aphro cast to pop Privileged Status

Also...Mirage Shot so-

[strange lark]

mirage shot overrated on beo ngl

[near heath]

Lol

[last dirge]

Sea storm seems fair on beo if you go Poseidon cast

If it shows up that is

There are better duos to focus

[strange lark]

flood flare doesnt proc sea storm

[last dirge]

It doesnt? Lol

[strange lark]

i dont think so

thats what ive been told

[last dirge]

I think I've done it

But I havent done it in long enough to confirm

[lucid oar]

It doesn’t

[long escarp]

But Beo attack, dash strike, and bull rush all do

[fading nymph]

It doesn’t

[strange lark]

It does

[lucid oar]

🤔

[fading nymph]