Speaking of Dem, what makes the Aphro + Dem duo so bad? Couldn't you use Hera to generate distance from the crystals
#h1-builds-and-combat
cinder gate
proper furnace
Hera CE 
cinder gate
I mean I couldn't think of anything better
polar python
Could be fun, won't be good
proper furnace
Talos is probably your best option for using it lol
unreal tree
Hera ice beam is straight misery lol
proper furnace
Also crystal clarity exists soooo
valid dagger
I dont get why people like Crystals with Hera
It doesnt make sense but everyone suggests it 
proper furnace
As much sense as hunting blades hera
shell sleet
beo bad weapon because you cant get crystal beam with it
polar python
It lets you place the damage quickly and precisely. So you aim to one shot most things and recover crystals.
proper furnace
beo bad weapon because you cant get crystal beam with it
But you get the totally better icy flare
polar python
I used to use Hera a lot and then discovered charged shot Beo
dull vigil
what are some good arthur sword builds?
vale imp
put a big % attack on it and go to town
Vengeance builds are really nice as well because of the inherent damage reduction + extra 50 hp
dull vigil
so athena/demeter attack? afaik those give the biggest %
vale imp
Aphro gives the highest % but yea
dull vigil
ah
vale imp
if you go aphro, it's then easy to transition to Heart Rend or Smouldering Air
proper furnace
Aphro is great to double dip into dmg reduction too
even if its multiplicative but can be really tanky
proper furnace
also life affirmation for that overkill on health lmao
vale imp
Run Goal: Get 500 HP
dull vigil
nice, weak on attact, chill on special, priviliged status, LETS GO
flat garden
demeter on poseidon
i was trying to do the monthly challenge but i didnt see the aspect had to be zeus
oh well, i died to dad anyway
proper furnace
rip
dull vigil
is the cerberus keepsake better than the acorn on lower heat runs when you have all 3 DDs?
I think the max damage you can get by hdaes is 50, so acorn tanks 250
cerberus gives 100hp + 3x 50 with revives, so thats 250 as well
and then there is the chance that you don't actually get all 5 hits with a 50 damage one
- you can also utilise boons that increase god gauge when taking damage etc.
shell sleet
cerberus gives 100hp + 3x 50 with revives, so thats 250 as well
cerb gives 50 + 3x25 = 125
its +50 to your health not +100
cunning urchin
i was trying to do the monthly challenge but i didnt see the aspect had to be ze...
Good luck! 
grand brook
Good luck! <:courte5AphroHeart:851568347346894908> <:courte5Beegsmile:9331511443...
How do you manage to come up with the challenges
dull vigil
cerb gives 50 + 3x25 = 125
ah my bad, nvm then
polar python
I did use the collar for the first few fresh file runs in hell mode recently because an increase in overall health means you aren't as stressed by Elysium. Also if you can get Strong Drink it's a better choice since you stand more chance of not losing a DD in a boss and can refill completely.
cunning urchin
How do you manage to come up with the challenges
I follow a few principles, but it's just challenges that I think would be fun. And I playtest my ideas to refine them.
Usually I start with a gameplay idea and then find a narrative for it. There are already established characters and relationships, and I try to stay true to the characters. Sometimes I have a narrative idea first and create a challenge for it, but that takes more trial and error usually and sometimes I drop those or save them for later because I can't make them fun.
I also run my ideas by RidiculousHat, who takes care of the whole technical side of the spreadsheet etc., before I post anything.
Also this server is a great source for inspiration. I've read practically every message in #h1-high-heat-strategies including everyone's ideas for all kinds of challenges and seen every victory screen in #h1-victory-boasting with plenty of interesting build ideas. So there's plenty to draw on.
Plus I've watched plenty of Hades streams especially from newer and more casual players who have very creative build ideas.
fallen spoke
i hate heightened seccurity
proven osprey
Understandable
unreal tree
proven osprey
It makes traps meaningful, rather than something you can totally ignore
So there's that imo
unreal tree
its odd
fallen spoke
died to lava
unreal tree
like I see so many people picking it for the first heat
fallen spoke
with hs
proven osprey
The hitbox of the urns is a disaster
turbid needle
I go mad when he says darkness
fallen spoke
DARKNESS
grand brook
like I see so many people picking it for the first heat
It sounds easy then u die to the urn
unreal tree
I go mad when he says *darkness*
jovial hornet
what aspect should i get first
sterile fiber
what weapon do you like
tranquil lion
eris rail
jovial hornet
oh also spear
sterile fiber
Eris good
tranquil lion
achilles spear
sterile fiber
Hestia also neat with a few levels
basically Eris is a machine gun, Hestia is a single-shot cannon
jovial hornet
k
sterile fiber
zag bow good and cheap too
analog cove
How does the Meg angle work? I assumed it was 90 degrees from zag and the enemy but that doesn’t seem to be the case
lone jetty
It’s in line with zag’s shoulders. So if you’re facing straight up, the rings go left-right
opaque hare
So... Can asterious backstab theseus?
I think i just saw that. When he chased me and i made him crash into theseus
I have shadow presence
prisma nebula
Yes its possible I think
One of the first times I faced them I remember Theseus saying "hey stop, its me!" at asterius at some point
turbid needle
Artemis/Aphro attack and get attack buffing boons
shadow slash and greater consecration are the best hammers for it
tawny grove
heart rend i’d assume if it’s artemis/aphro?
turbid needle
yea
tawny grove
anything from chaos i want?
turbid needle
Strike
favor and the max hp one are good on any run but strike is the only really good boon for this build so if u wanna skip chaos bcz its rare to get thats fine too
lunge is bad because using dash to continue the combo doesnt count as a dash strike
lone jetty
Lunge is decent with Double Edge
urban vapor
is there any way to guarantee a specific hammer
like how with boons you can choose a keepsake then reroll
proper furnace
mods only
errant acorn
If I'm playing Merciful End Demeter fists, what Chaos boons should I be taking? Special damage maybe?
valid dagger
Special or Favor yea
But sometimes since you cant be too greedy with rolls you just take whatever curse doesnt hurt you/ slow you down
Favor improves ME odds and Hermes aswell
So it's good all around, the earlier the better
errant acorn
Favor is a good call, cheers
valid dagger
There are also some more situational ones that can do great
Like if you have Explosive upper
Lunge chaos becomes better
Since dash uppers count as dash strikes
So it's just more burst damage
Well to be clear it’s a solid pick in general not just specifically with that hammer, since you should be always dash uppering instead of doing standing uppers, it’s just extra good with explosive upper
analog harbor
coronacht with zagreus, deadly flourish and charged volley easy 2k damage per full charged volley . i absolutely violated le final boss wit that
pom the hell out of it plus try it with butterfly or earring and up the boon rarity at ||eurydice|| , maybe put some revenge boons on and its gg
proper furnace
Or you know
Chaos special dmg boons 
cunning urchin
@turbid needle armored enemies have a higher difficulty rating, which affects how many of them can spawn in an enemy wave. So you end up having to fight a lot more unarmored enemies than you would armored enemies.
turbid needle
I see, thanks
cunning urchin
Enemies like armored Splitters and armored Flamewheels are great for speed because they have a pretty high difficulty rating relative to their very low health. But then there are enemies like unarmored Strongbows or Brightswords that have pretty high health for their low difficulty rating and just... won't... stop... spawning. 
shell sleet
mod to remove unarmoured swordsmen and archers from the game when
cunning urchin
Sea Storm with Tempest Strike?
dull vigil
Sea Storm with Tempest Strike?
zeus attack
cunning urchin
Rolling Knuckle is definitely better. What's the third option?
dull vigil
heal on special
dull vigil
Sea Storm with Tempest Strike?
not sure if zeus attack is better than tempest strike, i just feel like its faster early on, and once I have sea storm+ the legendaries it doesnt matter much anyways
cunning urchin
I like that one a lot for mirrorless Malphon, but otherwise yeah, Rolling Knuckle.
dull vigil
thanks
cunning urchin
I don't really know what your Sea Storm plan is exactly. Proc Sea Storm with Tidal Dash?
dull vigil
yeah, I usually go tidal cash + the poseidon cast
at least thats how eris is built I think
cunning urchin
Lightning Strike + Tidal Dash is an alright combo on Talos, especially since the pull also procs Ruptured. But Sea Storm is typically not a priority in that build.
dull vigil
I see
cunning urchin
It's not a priority on Eris, either.
cunning urchin
Static Discharge is a priority in any Lightning Strike build.
dull vigil
but then isnt it better to have zeus attack to proc those better? jolted+static discharge?
cunning urchin
Static Discharge is Jolted lol.
cunning urchin
Lightning Strike + Tidal Dash generally wants Static Discharge, lots of poms on Dash and on Static Discharge, and then a bunch of t2 boons from Poseidon.
So you usually only end up with Flood Shot to unlock Sea Storm if Poseidon isn't offering any good t2 boons even after rerolls.
Breaking Wave, Razor Shoals, Wave Pounding ideally. But Typhoon's Fury isn't bad, either.
cunning urchin
And in high heats, you might also see Poseidon's Aid when it's offered instead of any good t2 boons. That will also unlock Sea Storm.
dull vigil
double knockback is pretty nice
cunning urchin
Err... I'd take Razor Shoals or something over that tbh.
It's fun in Satyr tunnels.
cunning urchin
Breaking Wave does more there, anyway.
The second knockback on its own doesn't do damage.
dull vigil
oh
so thats only really good with sea storm, but then the chances of having all those duo/leges is not that high
cunning urchin
Well, you can get double wall-slams, and then double procs of Breaking Wave because of that etc.
Also knockback counts as movement for Ruptured damage.
shell sleet
poseidon legendary is easily the worst legendary
unreal tree
*best 
proper furnace
Huge catch so good
shell sleet
Huge catch so good
oh sorry I should have specified second wave
valid dagger
shell sleet
huge catch is easily the best boon in the game
valid dagger
fading nymph
TRUE
fallen spoke
when is there a new daily maybe i can beat that
tawny grove
considering trying to speedrun (aka get a time that isn’t terrible) after i properly beat the game, any tips
valid dagger
considering trying to speedrun (aka get a time that isn’t *terrible*) after i pr...
The script should be in the description aswell
fading nymph
Bad news 
lone jetty
Aphro! Sic Asterius on Theseus
valid dagger
Poseidon for more fish
grand brook
Who doesn’t want more fish
unreal tree
grand brook
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/79641072736665600/779777637211439139/curs...
Did you make this
lucid oar
The one in the background is hades 😊 heard it’s a pretty good game!
mild raft
You can fish in sts?
tawny grove
what’s an unconventional eris build?
proper furnace
Frost strike artic blast
sterile fiber
Hunting Blades
worn solar
MEris
sterile fiber
Doom attack?
tawny grove
decided to go for dio/aphro and pray for their duo (haven’t got it yet but i did get smair) which isn’t terrible
sterile fiber
That's not quite unconventional
tawny grove
yeah i know
proper furnace
Drunken eris my beloved
tawny grove
alr time to beat up dad
i stand corrected.
worn solar
remind overself that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer moment
worn solar
10th win moment instead
errant acorn
~~remind overself that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer moment~~
iunderstoodthatreference.gif
tawny grove
what’s a good weapon involving a demeter focused build (as in the god)
need her legend
worn solar
achilles meme beams though that doesnt care about killing freeze prereqs as much. you can just stick her on anything thatd want aphrodite otherwise
sterile fiber
Lucifer Arctic Blast
Yeah ideally you want a build that starts with a non-cast core to start opening up the legendary prereqs
Since 2/3 of them need a source of chill (and Arctic Blast isn't unlocked by Glacial Glare alone)
last dirge
Killing/blast Rama special
worn solar
ngl that sounds almost as bad as arty special
errant acorn
Lucifer Arctic Blast
Seconding this. It has the added bonus of allowing you to roleplay as Mr. Freeze if that's what you're into. I know I am.
Speaking of trying to get a legendary, what's a good way to do that for Poseidon?
sterile fiber
Dash only on just about any weapon
tawny grove
em3 is the funniest thing in the game
Theseus just has a goddamn gun because WHY NOT
cosmic leaf
Hades noob here,
what should I build with the guns? I love the weapon but have no idea on the builds
valid dagger
Hades noob here,
what should I build with the guns? I love the weapon but have n...
For non Hestia guns go for flat damage on the attack, ideally Zeus or Dionysus, some % boost on your Special and a damaging dash (Tidal or Blade), or Divine Dash for safety
Then just look for good supporting and go with whatever sounds good
Static Discharge/ Zeus' Aid/ Breaking Wave/ Razor Shoals
etc
For Zag Rail you can also go for a crit build or ME if you get Spread Fire (hammer)
It's pretty good too
Clockets is a strong hammer combo you'll see being talked about often here
It's basically Rocket Bomb + Cluster Bomb, Rocket bomb also negates the damage reduction from Cluster Bomb, so your Special ends up being 5 Rockets that do 80 damage each which is crazy good
Other good hammers would be Hazard Bomb (not Eris), Targeting System is a solid global damage increase, Delta (keeps your iframes when dash striking), Triple is solid overall (can be awkward with rocket), and Triple Bomb for Lucifer (cant get clockets here)
For Hestia it's pretty much the same thing except go for a % attack instead of a flat damage attack and learn to cancel your reload animation with your Special/dash
And for hammers Ricochet and Piercing becomes quite good here, Clockets and Hazard overall better because of bossing
polar python
Piercing and Hazard is my favourite combination with Hestia. Aphro attack and Artemis special works well (especially with Hunter's Mark)
pliant dirge
very good Tartarus boons
no hammer until Asphodel
no 2nd hammer in Elysium or Styx
👍
sterile fiber
🇫
pliant dirge
Got a controller, what are y'alls prefered keybinds for it?
cunning urchin
Most common among more competitive players pretty sure is default controls with LB/L1 set to Cast on Hera/Beowulf and LB/L1 set to Reload on Exagryph.
With Codex maybe moved to RS or just ignored.
And the second most rebind I've seen is the same but with LT/L2 instead.
sterile fiber
some people are also vehemently against dash on shoulder
cunning urchin
Dash on a shoulder button would make like no difference for me, so I see no reason to change it.
gusty rapids
dash on shoulder >>>>>>>>>
cunning urchin
It doesn't let you do anything that you couldn't do otherwise.
sterile fiber
The default dash isn't on shoulder
At least for switch
wait nvm misread
carry on
gusty rapids
it lets me game hard which dash on face button did not
personally i find that having attack + dash covered by 2 different fingers is very useful for a variety of aspects
cunning urchin
But like, for what inputs specifically?
gusty rapids
i mean it makes everything about dash attacking more comfortable for me; not having to use two different parts of my thumb to do the two inputs is a lot easier on my fingers ive found
cunning urchin
Gotcha.
sterile fiber
I did shoulder dash bc the previous 3 games I played all had shoulder dash as default so I got used to it
worn solar
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/895331680062165022/913203342526791710/Hades_11_23_2021_4_51_58_AM.png superior keybinds
prisma nebula
Man, Poseidon second phase in Theseus is such a challenge for me idk why
Something about the gap between the circles is impossible for me to get into
cunning urchin
Man, Poseidon second phase in Theseus is such a challenge for me idk why
Just kill him during the initial Call.
Problem solved.
zenith hinge
Im going to try a run with Beowulf, ideas of a build? I suppose i have to focus on cast boons to increase the damages when i charge?
dense basin
Poseidon cast for beowulf, artemis attack and then mirage shot
zenith hinge
Mirage shot is the boon that fire a second cast right?
ok yes i found it on the wiki 🙂
Well thanks will try it then !
So i suppose its better to use Infernal soul on that build
or try to be lucky and get boons that add more casts ^^
zenith hinge
oh ok lol
and if i charge my 3 casts it will make the damages of all of them right?
unreal tree
yes
zenith hinge
ok 🙂
proper furnace
Can also try the comfy passion flare + snow burst and P.status
unreal tree
and you can load/pick up casts during the bullrush too
zenith hinge
I dont have lot of knowledge about cast boons or weapons that work with casts ^^
ok i see
proper furnace
Oh yeah remapping cast to a shoulder button helps with that
zenith hinge
so what first keepsake should i take? and about the hammers, got some tips for that kind of build?
proper furnace
Keepsake: whatver cast you wanna start
Hsmmer: charged shot by far
Sudden/breaching good
Whatever is the one that gives 20% dmg and speed after blocking too
zenith hinge
ok 🙂
grand brook
What’s a good hammer for aspect of Rama
lucid oar
Twin shot and triple shot
For the second hammer you ideally want point blank or perfect shot
turbid needle
Twin + Perfect or Triple + Pointblank are the best duos
relentless is pretty good too
mossy heart
good builds for zag spear//
worn solar
its a pretty meh aspect tbh. you want to ideally get either flurry jab or explosive launcher + charged skewer from hammers. dio, zeus, aphro, or doom attack work. if you get explosive launcher you can do either a high % god or go zeus
mossy heart
what is the best aspect in the game?
worn solar
that's quite a bit broad
mossy heart
i'd say maybe chaos shield or chiron bow
analog cove
what is the best aspect in the game?
Very hard to say and there isn’t a right answer but I’d say eris/beo
worn solar
chaos and chiron would be pretty far from what id think of
mossy heart
does the 10% extra damage really do anything?
analog cove
With beo? Thats damage taken and you don’t feel it
proper furnace
Eris is 75% at max lvl if thats what you mean
mossy heart
yeah that's what i meant
proper furnace
Oh
worn solar
10% is nothing
analog cove
Not to mention all the bugs it has with trippy and mirage
worn solar
especially when you have a shield you can block with and that shield has a larger block angle than the others
worn solar
if you dont have explosive launcher and arent using guan yu then specialling is just a waste of dps
and uh achilles ig for refreshing the buff
zenith hinge
yeah that can be a reason, upgrade it to lvl 5 and it should be a little "easier" ^^
mossy heart
how do i get titan blood quicker tho
worn solar
just do runs with heat
zenith hinge
^ this
worn solar
and prophecies ig
zenith hinge
that's what i do personaly, i use the weapon that has +20% ressources on the next run, then increase by 1 heat every run to get as many rewards as i can
mossy heart
every time i just get darkness and usually play around 5-8 heat
i also have 3 clears but i haven't had one for a long time
worn solar
if you have a ton of ambrosia lying around ig you can also trade that in
are you on hell mode or something?
worn solar
wdym you have 3 clears but usually play at 5+ heat then
worn solar
lounge area
mossy heart
so should i do bigger heat
worn solar
well if you have 3 clears then you should be doing like 1-2 heat if you want easy bounties
mossy heart
i also use 1 weapon for like a week then switch
can't you get bounties faster if you switch every run or so?
strange lark
what is the best aspect in the game?
beowulf there is no best aspect
worn solar
well switching weapons means you can raise the heat slower
analog cove
can't you get bounties faster if you switch every run or so?
Bounties are based on per weapon per heat so as long as it says “heat gauge full” (which is a different amount of heat per weapon) then you are maximizing bounties
mossy heart
yeah got this game a month ago and have been mainly using spear
all my clears have been with spear
worn solar
why you think chaos and chiron are op then
grand brook
What builds do you find the most fun to use for any aspect/weapon
errant acorn
Demeter fists with Merciful End, Smoldering Air, and Vengeful Mood.
mossy heart
tidal or divine dash?
sterile fiber
Tidal for offense, Divine for defense
Passion is another good offensive dash if you don't want to knock enemies back
mossy heart
no offense passion dash is absolute garbage
proper furnace
is a nice weak source
zenith hinge
What builds do you find the most fun to use for any aspect/weapon
not the most fun but i played that this afternoon #h1-victory-boasting message . was very fun, your rail has an aimbot xD
proper furnace
i like it for drunken rail if i dont have rocket bomb for fast aphro special
mossy heart
weak barely does anything and there is better sources
proper furnace
blade dash also kinda nice
flat garden
i dont use that as often but its good when im on fists or something
the only ones i dont really like is demeters
which i dont even bother to learn the name of
frosty dash
proper furnace
cant believe SGG forgot to add a dash boon to demeter (/j)
flat garden
really bad game design on their part!
errant acorn
Mistral Dash, and yeah, it's probably the worst boon in the game.
proper furnace
i also hate peer pressure as much
errant acorn
I simp for Demeter really hard but I only got Mistral Dash once, for the prophecy
flat garden
you'll catch me using high voltage before i ever use mistral dash
flat garden
i also hate peer pressure as much
this is the one that makes hangover spread right
errant acorn
I found a use for it once.
proper furnace
yeah
errant acorn
...kind of?
proper furnace
the problem is that if you are doing hangover is probably gonna be higher dmg than peer pressure
and peer pressure is just gonna delete your stacks
errant acorn
Oh lol I was still talking about Mistral Dash
proper furnace
i like it on cast builds but thats because snow burst is great in general
also killing freeze cause why not
errant acorn
Killing Freeze is really good.
flat garden
glacial glare is fun when i get it ig
is killing freeze the legendary
or is that winter harvest
errant acorn
No, that's Winter Harvest.
proper furnace
glaciar glare not being a requisite for any of the t2 boons is such a pain
proper furnace
is fun if you manage to pom it a lot
errant acorn
Glacial Glare makes for a really good pair with Arctic Blast
And Arctic Blast otherwise is not that great
proper furnace
i used to do artic blast chiron builds lol
tried to do one with Eris, that was painful
flat garden
i am trash with achilles so i pretty much never do crystal clarity builds anymore
but its fun when i do
errant acorn
The other one is Lucifer, probably my favorite gun overall
flat garden
last time i did that i had 7 stygian casts against dad, so that was great
proper furnace
i mostly play it with flurry jab so i also quit doing meme beams
now i only do hunting blades if ares shows up
flat garden
i find the rail to be underwhelming for some reason
errant acorn
Spear is just generally not a weapon I'm super into
flat garden
im great with all of them but i dont find them, er, fun?
proper furnace
modded spear is comfy due to hammer reliance being gone
errant acorn
I'm like this in any game, though, I tend to be a specialist with just one kind of build or weapon or character
Try Achilles with Blizzard Shot sometime, that's fun as hell
proper furnace
im great with all of them but i dont find them, er, fun?
understandable, i probably can do well enough on fists-sword but i dont like either lmao
oh blizzard shot
that was my first win lmao
flat garden
blizzard shot is fun
errant acorn
My best time with the fists is almost twice as fast as any other time I have lol
proper furnace
my fastest is rail with spear behind
errant acorn
But I also don't super try with other weapons. If I had to pick a second favorite aspect it would be either Lucifer or Poseidon
I guess I just take such satisfaction in my very, very specific Demeter build
proper furnace
my fav has to be beo
flat garden
poseidon :)
proper furnace
is so broken in both ways
errant acorn
Beowulf is fiddly for me, kind of hard to use
flat garden
i found it hard to learn tbh
errant acorn
Need practice.
proper furnace
rama is a close second
flat garden
but its great and broken
errant acorn
Yeah, it's definitely an "advanced" aspect in terms of like
Like using Beowulf effectively is difficult.
proper furnace
cast management
flat garden
how do people even go fast with that thing
errant acorn
I think the same thing about Hestia and also Nemesis to a degree?
proper furnace
my fastest beo is like 8:40 or something lol
my fastest rail is 7:05 in comparation
errant acorn
My fastest time period is 10:07 but I'm working on it
flat garden
ive tried a lot of hestias when doing boonless mirrorless hammerless runs
im kinda clunky with it
proper furnace
Hestia is fun
zenith hinge
in what conditions you make your speedruns? TD and FO ?
flat garden
because its just instinct to scrollup before every shot
flat garden
fo2 and em2 without td
worn solar
em2 fo2 igt add td for rta
errant acorn
Hm.
flat garden
not just the smaller room, also the fact that they're bunched up together
zenith hinge
yeah
proper furnace
tho if someone like Croven with the blessed screenshot can do it i can practice ig lol
love it
gusty rapids
i open the sgg discord. this is the first thing i see. i am pain
zenith hinge
lol ^^
sterile fiber
How does Ricochet interact with Piercing fire
tranquil lion
the trick to beowulf is to know when to avoid cramming all the casts in the shield when you only really need 1 to take out the small enemies
proven osprey
How does Ricochet interact with Piercing fire
I don't remember the details, but they don't work well together
worn solar
does meme beams count
sterile fiber
Can you stack killing freeze + Curse of Longing + Hangover and maybe Cold Fusion
worn solar
CoL
vale imp
best DoT build is Chiron + Low Tolerance
Add in Curse of Nausea, Black Out, and Rush Delivery and it'll melt EM4 hades instantly
worn solar
ngl... eris, dio call, smouldering air
cunning urchin
Either way, you couldn't do it without Lady Aphrodite.
errant acorn
Low Tolerance rules. Big fan.
dense basin
I am fun of mirage shot for beowulf and heart rend for nemesis
boreal phoenix
Rama bow is very chunky
dense basin
True, it can deal big dmg
pliant dirge
How does one Meg the Witches Circle on MM/BP?
cunning urchin
Minibosses aren't affected by BP anyway.
valid dagger
Well anything can given a strong enough build
boreal phoenix
3 or so chaos atk boons?
valid dagger
nah
Fists base attack is low
Not worth buffing that up
Your damage is coming from other sources
Which in this case is doom
boreal phoenix
Dot?
valid dagger
Doom with Merciful End is more instant burst than DoT
Since they proc right away when you deflect
proper furnace
dash
valid dagger
Dash is what you're deflecting with yea
But you take Special first from Athena
Because Dash isnt ME prereq
cunning urchin
Doom is delayed damage, anyway, not damage over time.
prisma nebula
hmm i wonder what my thirst weapon is today
tranquil lion
so I must say, smoldering air + billowing strength combo is actually pretty strong
everything just sort of evaporates when you have a nearly permanent buff + constant calls lol
unreal tree
The ex zag shield WR gets almost exactly the same boons you did
Smoldering air splitting bolt, epic RD
Heart rend too
unreal tree
The main thing with charged shot is to try and stay at point blank with the enemies
Its about 30% more damage that way
But much harder to do in asphodel
tranquil lion
so you dont have to charge as long right?
unreal tree
The damage doesnt increase when you charge it, so its usually not too worth it
tranquil lion
yeah
so you want to let go as soon as possible
which means you want the enemy to be point blank
unreal tree
Yep
You can also try merciful end zag shield
Thats also very strong
And not as hammer dependant thankfully
tranquil lion
yeah, it kinda sucks losing an otherwise decent run when hammers just dont behave
valid dagger
You can do tempest strike for styx shredder
unreal tree
tranquil lion
imagine adding knockback to a shield attack that already does knockback
tranquil lion
The damage doesnt increase when you charge it, so its usually not too worth it
also, how much does sudden rush help with charged shot?
it does seem nice to have it charge faster especially when enemies are just barely out of reach
tranquil lion
but that means getting 2 favorable hammers in a row .-.
unreal tree
Yeah
worn solar
pulv blow cshot
tawny grove
what are some good zeus shield hammers
valid dagger
Explosive Return / Charged Shot / Ferocious Guard / Sudden Rush / Breaching Rush /Pulverizing Blow
Dashing Wallop
cinder gate
Wanted to try Curse of Drowning, what aspect should I use? Was thinking of Hera and praying for Mirage Shot lol
unreal tree
Wanted to try Curse of Drowning, what aspect should I use? Was thinking of Hera ...
You cant have both curse of drowning and mirage shot
cinder gate
Thats a shame
unreal tree
Talos curse of drowning is pretty fun though
unreal tree
Fists
fallen spoke
Are there any lucifer attack builds i won once with lucifer dyo
fallen spoke
Ok
tawny grove
best weapon for speedrunning?
worn solar
they all do fine
lucid oar
Eris is probably the best for starting off
worn solar
it works but zeus attack + tidal dash usually the better option
tawny grove
that was my fastest time anyway so that makes sense
thanks!
analog cove
best weapon for speedrunning?
Eris/Hera/beo are my go-tos
cinder gate
What's the interaction with Special speed boost and Zeus shield (if there is one at all). Does it pulse faster? Does it travel/return faster?? both???
worn solar
just travel/how fast you can catch and throw it yeah
cinder gate
that doesn't sound good like at all
cinder gate
Hermes
worn solar
its kinda nice for explosive return but yeah doesmt add a whole lot compared to like rush delivery or dashes
astral lantern
Wait do u need to special to gain crit buff from nemesis sword
strange lark
yes
marsh thorn
worn solar
grand brook
What’s a good hestia build
strange lark
worn solar
aphro attack, zeus call, smouldering air
just put some high% on special and hunter/tidal/ddash
could swap in another good call like dio's and use zeus cast for smair prereq too
strange lark
smothering heir
wild jasper
What’s a good hestia build
I remember Aphrodite on Attack and Artemis Pressure Points + Hunter's Mark was a combo I got once that I remember being great
shell sleet
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/897205927688679444/Scr...
MEstia the bestia
lucid oar
worn solar
polar python
Is Touch of Styx Dark affected by Charon's keepsake?
cunning urchin
No.
valid dagger
It affects Items from Charon wells only
dull vigil
whats the meta build for zeus shield?
proper furnace
Zeus special and more zeus boons
dull vigil
always love some zeus
i go zeus/poseidon on basically any weapon that has a decent attack speed
even on achilles spear, works out pretty well with flurry jab tbh
and what hammers are the best?
empowering flight I guess?
unreal tree
empowering flight I guess?
charged shot/explosive return>ferocious guard>sudden rush/breaching rush> pulverizing blow>else
empowering only applies for the first time your special hits an enemy iirc
dull vigil
charged shot/explosive return>ferocious guard>sudden rush/breaching rush> pulver...
thank you!
oh, rip
unreal tree
and the shield attack isnt strong outside of zagreus aspect
grand brook
I have Ares/Poseidon/Demeter/Aphrodite in the god pool leaving tartarus, does it really matter or should I try to force a different god in with a keepsake in Asphodel. I'm using hera bow
outer rose
Hmm
grand brook
cause this seems kinda bad
outer rose
If you wanna try a different god I’d say go for it
grand brook
ok
grand brook
ok i guess the others dont matter too much
valid dagger
Yea you're fine
You can force Demeter if you didnt pick up Snow burst in Tartarus
You can also force Artemis for attack into Mirage Shot possibly but it's not necessary
And can be tough to get given the 5 god pool and other potentially open Duos
grand brook
What's a good beowulf build
valid dagger
Start Flood Flare look for Artemis attack -> Mirage Shot -> Hunter's Mark -> Well Items
Or
Start Passion Flare look for Snow Burst/Demeter Attack -> Pstatus stonks -> Well items
Or
Start Trippy Flare and look for Mirage Shot + 1 Chaos stone + Well items + losing your sanity -> Profit
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H7EOP28oyu6t8KrBEfnrN-dQc6H_ssvAyYz3C1O2JOI/edit?usp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B7qCbSaBgREflZ3Wm_5vXf95f8RLHwav-KbjUJifY0k/edit
sadge
lavish mirage
do i keep the benefits of a keepsake, when i change it? f. ex. i start with thanatos keepsake, get 20% dmg boost and then switch to eurydice's keepsake, do i keep the 20% dmg?
errant narwhal
nope, the damage boost goes away
prisma nebula
Okay, I'm using Nemesis and my first boon was from Aphro. What can I get off of this?
I got attack, special or dash
lime wigeon
Im kinda stuck on heat 2, can anyone give me a good beowulf build?
Ping me if you respond, thank you!
valid dagger
Im kinda stuck on heat 2, can anyone give me a good beowulf build?
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opaque hare
Can thunder dash crit?
valid dagger
Assuming you have a source of crit chance yes
opaque hare
Nice
opaque hare
Does stubborn roots works on lc4?
valid dagger
Yes
opaque hare
Cool
worn solar
though if you have lc4 you probably have fo and hl and td and are using stuborn defiance
valid dagger
Yea Stubborn roots shouldnt be the way you heal if you’re using LC4
It’s just a side pick, not something you rely on or try to force
analog cove
Is the idea of SD LC4 you do most rooms on 30% (up to 60% total) until hopefully Patroclus?
worn solar
or just a touch of styx from a well
or last stand from athena
60% is plenty for regular rooms and you also have acorn for bosses
valid dagger
Patty is great with SD but not necessary for everything
analog cove
Is the Athena one 30% or 50%?
valid dagger
Last Stand gives +10%-+15% depending on rarity iirc
worn solar
yeah somewhere around there. and it can give you a dd
analog cove
Yes
worn solar
well 60-65%
unreal tree
with patty thats 100%
worn solar
the dd gets the health bonus right
unreal tree
its gaming
valid dagger
Ye
unreal tree
the dd gets the health bonus right
just one of them tho
analog cove
Oh and pattie affects that too
analog cove
Honestly surprised it wasn’t patched I know they were made aware of it. Not too complain or anything
zenith hinge
Guys i need your help
What was the cast or the boon that his bugged with Beo? I don't remember. I did it 2 days ago for my first Beo run and it was insanely powerfull
poseidon cast ? and you use the duo boon (poseidon/arte) that proc a 2nd cast?
worn solar
other than that, trippy flare gets double pom scaling
and uh thunderflare isnt affected by cast damage increases
zenith hinge
okay thanks ! so best is to take poseidon keepsake as first and look for arte to get mirage shot?
worn solar
yeah thats usually how beo is built. flood flare, deadly strike, mirage shot and youre set
zenith hinge
ok 🙂
and what do you take from artemis in general?
attack/special/something else?
oh yeah deadly strike its attack
worn solar
attack, her status effect, her legendary
zenith hinge
sry my game is in french so i have to look on the wiki to be sure what boon we are talking ^^
okay 🙂 perfect
and as dash? what do you take if possible?
worn solar
the dash doesnt really matter. tbh it can be detrimental since it can steal poms and open unwanted duos
avoid poseidon dash if you dont have charged shot
zenith hinge
ok
worn solar
athena dash can be nice in high heats for both deflect and opening up her death defiance boons
zenith hinge
and a last question, remember me what are the best hammers i should try to get?
zenith hinge
ah yeah, i didn't get it in my last run sadly
lucid oar
Breaching too
zenith hinge
okay
well thanks a lot!
gonna try another run with that 🙂
oh so yeah its better to use family favourit?
i wont have 2 curses with that kind of build?
proper furnace
yeah fam fav
zenith hinge
ok 🙂
outer rose
My dad likes the "squirt gun" (Lucifer + Poseidon attack)
analog cove
Super soaker!
mossy arrow
Anybody else love athena on attack for hades aspect spear?
tawny grove
i dont think ive touched hades spear tbh
tawny grove
is there a weapon me doesnt work with tbh
zenith hinge
i made more runs with achilles but i dont use it how other players use it. Im not a "cast lover" so i make attack builds with it, and it works well too ^^
but i have to try a cast build with it for sure
tawny grove
i mean maybe bow
lucid oar
is there a weapon me doesnt work with tbh
zag bow
worn solar
well you can do it
worn solar
zenith hinge
hehe nice
zenith hinge
im also merciful end addicted :]
tawny grove
same
tawny grove
If only that was on guan yu or an actual good MEapon
been wanting to try guan yu me
zenith hinge
never tried to do a run like that, i mean with no boon in slots
tawny grove
i dont understand how people do those type of runs
zenith hinge
well its the keepsake that gives +50% dmg when their is nothing in slot right?
worn solar
100%
worn solar
if you have a crit aspect and good hammers you have pretty good damage https://imgur.com/a/wRowN8c
zenith hinge
lol billions of charon items 😄
worn solar
yeah boonless ends up with a lot of gold lol
zenith hinge
do you take the hammer that gives you more dmgs with the gold you have?
hoarding slash if im not wrong?
worn solar
nah. it just doesnt add much
zenith hinge
ok
lucid oar
I’d rather use hestia or a bow aspect
worn solar
nem fun
lucid oar
Good attack hammers usually means it’s good Boonless
zenith hinge
i saw haelian doing a run with that hammer and 9k golds, was fun xD
worn solar
hoarding doesnt even get nemesis crit right
worn solar
like piercing adds 40 damage. 1k gold gives 20 from hoarding
zenith hinge
oh ok
ok now i have to make a run with lucifer aspect (i never tried it ^^), do you have ideas guys? (boons/hammers etc..)
worn solar
pretty much built like eris. zeus attack, tidal dash, arty or aphro special
triple bomb is the most important hammer
zenith hinge
oh ok
outer rose
Beowulf shield with Zeus cast is great
just gotta make sure you factor in the distance
zenith hinge
now that i tried with flood flare and saw the crazyness of that thing, will be hard for me to try something else with beo xd
zenith hinge
ok im going for that lucifer run, hope will be as lucky as my last run with beo ^^
outer rose
ohh
zenith hinge
if i dont get triple bomb, what hammer i can take?
outer rose
hmm
worn solar
targetting system, flash fire or something ig
tawny grove
now that i tried with flood flare and saw the crazyness of that thing, will be h...
oh is it? ive done a beo trippy flare and a beo passion flare so i guess i should complete the triology
zenith hinge
targetting system, flash fire or something ig
ok 🙂 ty
zenith hinge
oh is it? ive done a beo trippy flare and a beo passion flare so i guess i shoul...
yeah thats very powerfull ^^
im totaly a noob with beo and i literaly destroyed everything
mossy arrow
The athena hades spear can destroy witches of asphodel in 2 sec
Just get huge spin with quick spin (hammers)
strange lark
how are you supposed to get two hammers before aspho miniboss
tawny grove
sometimes i get lucky with charon
tranquil lion
yeah so merciful end is so versatile of a strategy because a lot of the damage doesnt rely on any sort of base damage from the weapon itself
the only thing that matters in a merciful end build is "how fast can you apply doom?" and "how fast can you bash into them with athena dash?"
for all we care, you could apply doom with a tickle attack for 0 damage and still bash into them to proc stupid amounts of doom damage afterwards
(of course there are some weapon aspects that can pull off the strategy with something slightly more creative than bashing into them, but the point still stands)
opaque hare
Im tryng to 33 talos
But im doing sd lc4 hl4 and is not working
Em3
But the bosses arent my problem
worn solar
why talos of all aspects
zenith hinge
Just wanted to get your opinion about Hades call keepsake. Do you use it? And if yes, when?
mossy arrow
with hades aspect cause you are hades son 🙂
worn solar
Just wanted to get your opinion about Hades call keepsake. Do you use it? And if...
its for speedrunning
mainly with flat damage stuff
zenith hinge
oh ok, and do you stay invisible when you attack ?
zenith hinge
ah ok thats good to know
fading nymph
yeah its good to take into Ely and Styx for speedies
prisma nebula
Just did a Beo run for the first time. Honest question, what makes this build good for speedrunning specifically? I can see it does big damage but I don't understand how you would clear rooms with it quickly
It seems way too unwieldy
Like I can melt dad with it but Elysium mobs are a nightmare
prisma nebula
Ah. I was trying to get it but no luck
That makes sense
So you really need mirage to make it work
vale imp
yeah, it doubles your damage immediately
prisma nebula
Damn soon
*son
Well that explains why it felt so bad
I didn't realise the increase was that high
worn solar
you dont need mirage shot to go fast
vale imp
mirage shot is bugged in that the 2nd cast is at 100% effectiveness
worn solar
there are other sources of cast damage and beo by itself does a lot of damage with effective cast management
vale imp
that's true too, pomming your casts aggressively is also important
worn solar
the charged shot hammer is also an important factor
it increases base attack damage and gives a lot more flexibility in cast placement
prisma nebula
gotcha, so you basically just go artemis on attack or special, poseidon cast and then just try and aggressively focus on those
I guess you dont really need anything else to make it work
do you ever get boons from other gods to support the build?
worn solar
snow burst/ravenous will from demeter, can get some call or something ig, athena nice for dd's in high heat
vale imp
For chaos, extra casts and +cast damage are great
then Hyper Sprint + Rush Delivery from Hermes
prisma nebula
then Hyper Sprint + Rush Delivery from Hermes
HOw does Rush Delivery function anyway
Like does it make your dash strikes while in Hypersprint double damage?
vale imp
Yep
worn solar
global damage increases are additive so no
if you have epic rush delivery then its +100% of base damage
and its a lot more than dash strikes
prisma nebula
Oh wow, that would be really strong with Dionysus then right
cause as long as you're in hyper, your DOTs do double damage?
Or memebeams
worn solar
if its epic rush delivery and if we're ignoring youre other sources of damage increases yeah
prisma nebula
if its epic rush delivery and if we're ignoring youre other sources of damage in...
Ah right because its additive not multiplicative
So it doubles your base damage
worn solar
well thatd be multiplicative
neon vine
hi im new to hades and i've already unlocked all the weapons in the training room
any tips for combat?
cunning urchin
Most important thing is that you're invincible during empty dashes, but if you do a Dash-Attack or anything, you're no longer invincible.
So make sure to empty-dash when you want to evade an attack.
polar python
Find the weapon you like and test it out with different god boons. Use Skelly to figure out how much damage each attack does. Typically a high damage attack pairs well with god boons which offer percent scaling and rapid or low damage attacks work better with boons which apply a status.
The rail has very low damage on its attacks for example but fires rapidly. The special does much more damage but it's slow.
So Zeus on attack and Aphrodite on special is nice and then you can look for "Jolted" to boost attack damage.
The pairings of core boons also opens up different duo boons, so in this case you'd be up for Smouldering Air (once you have a Call in place).
cunning urchin
i kinda like using the cannon though
My Newbie Build Guide for all the base weapons is pinned in #h1-for-new-players. That might help get you started.
Also be mindful that spoilers are allowed in any channel but #h1-for-new-players, so if you want to avoid spoilers, better to use that channel.
tranquil falcon
i'm starting to get suspicious because the last 5 trials i've taken have all been shielded witches
3 with FO and 2 with homing
also i think 2 had double damage
grand brook
dread flight, empowering flight, or charged flight. aspect of beowulf
valid dagger
dread flight, empowering flight, or charged flight. aspect of beowulf
You got the worst 3
They all dont do anything
tawny grove
wish we could reroll hammers
valid dagger
If it's early in the run you could just die and retry
Otherwise it's fine
Beowulf doesnt really care
grand brook
its early but meh.
i'll just choose one and continue
hey at least i got one out of the way for the prophecy
grand brook
Beowulf doesnt really care
so I naturally got artemis after poseidon. Should I try spawning in another god in asphodel or does it not matter
valid dagger
Have you got Mirage Shot
grand brook
not yet
valid dagger
Force Artemis to get that
grand brook
yes
worn solar
yeah go for it.
worn solar
yep
grand brook
it didn't show and it's offering deadly flourish, hunter's flare, and pressure points
i'll just take one of them for underworld customs
grand brook
yes
worn solar
rip
grand brook
and I ended up losing all my dds to the asphodel miniboss
that thing would not die
breaching rush, sudden rush, charged shot
strange lark
charged shot
grand brook
man the rng has been really lame this run
epic sure footing, really?
but no dd
nevermind there's pat
now can I please get mirage shot
cunning urchin
Epic Sure Footing is nice.
grand brook
it was in comparison to the other offerings so i took it
the alternatives were bronze skin and brilliant rispote
cunning urchin
I'd worry less about about RNG and just focus on learning to make better decisions.
Brilliant Riposte unlocks her legendary.
cunning urchin
Also makes sure any Witches et al. are very dead when you deflect anything.
Invincible until you take a hit, and then again after 7 seconds.
Think it was 7.
grand brook
Invincible until you take a hit, and then again after 7 seconds.
yeah that sounds right. I'll choose that option next time.
Overall I feel like I've gotten better at making decisions, though I still have a bit more to learn.
cunning urchin
Passion Flare Beowulf probably a bit easier for learning.
Since it doesn't need a Duo Boon to get going.
grand brook
ok. I'll try that next
grand brook
got it
cunning urchin
And lots of poms on Cast.
tawny grove
whats a good lucifer build
cunning urchin
Same as Eris really.
Only difference is you can actually have decent single-target damage with % Attacks if you want to do that.
Triple Bomb best hammer.
grand brook
unyielding defense, minotaur rush, or dashing flight?
worn solar
<@&456908176877551658>
pastel jolt
grand brook
whoa that was fast
valid dagger
unyielding defense, minotaur rush, or dashing flight?
Unyielding Defense the only one that does something notable
Minotaur rush is way too slow even with Charged Shot you barely use it
analog cove
Minotaur tricks you into thinking it’s good because 500% is a lot but it almost never gets used
grand brook
I see
pliant dirge
And the one time it gets used its to delete the last 4 hp of an enemy
tawny grove
whats a fun dio centered build? (need his legend)
analog cove
Fists drunken strike maybe talos to bring them into festive fog, demeter duo if yoy are feeling lucky
pliant dirge
Weird but sounds fun,
Zeus Attack, Aphro Spec, Dio call & Cast
Smair and maybe Low Tolerance?
Its far from practical
tawny grove
ooh sounds fun might try that afterwards
i want to try and get as many dio boons as possible for his legend and i need hangover for that so i need his attack or special
pliant dirge
(or call)
tawny grove
oh talos is FUN
mossy heart
sorry to switch subject but charged skewer or exploding launcher
cunning urchin
sorry to switch subject but charged skewer or exploding launcher
Exploding Launcher.
wild jasper
wait why can't I edit my message
I'm trying to edit the f word out because I forgot I can't swear here and the edit isn't saving
tawny grove
probably got deleted by dyno or a mod
wild jasper
Okay apparently it's deleted but I can still see it on my computer (but not on my phone)
That's really strange
tawny grove
lag
wild jasper
sorry to switch subject but charged skewer or exploding launcher
Are we talking about Eternal Spear's hammer upgrades?
Because the explosive spear upgrade is amazing, probably the spear's best hammer upgrade IMO
I think it would only be not worth it if you're using Achillies because I have no clue how that interacts with it's version of the special, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was literally impossible to get that one with Achillies or something.
Okay finally
valid dagger
It’s incompatible with Achilles
cunning urchin
Unlike Patroclus.
unreal tree
😳
cinder gate
@grim thorn I'd love to use it but I just cannot seem to get a good build on Fist for the life of me
also the timing on the Dash-Upper is so awkward that I just cannot make good use of Gilgamesh
grim thorn
zeusspam with long knuckle on Demeter fists is pretty cruise control
terse mist
im a big fan of talos fists
if you put posideon on attack and get knockback you can do a fun push/pull with enemies across the room
livid silo
Does rupture damage enemies that re being forcefully pulled?
Because that could be a nice combo 🤔
valid dagger
I think so yes
cunning urchin
Yes.
umbral jolt
livid silo
There is a tooltip on it that explains it
It's basically a condition that's a buff and debuff at the same time
cunning urchin
'Twas speedrun meta for a bit pretty early on.
valid dagger
It's not that bad
torpid moat
What is the best bow aspect???
torpid moat
alright then what would be a good build with hera
valid dagger
alright then what would be a good build with hera
