h1-builds-and-combat

[proper furnace]

stacking charon items is great, idk how much on Eris but for cast aspects is awesome having +1 cast/+50% cast dmg for 14 encounters

[turbid needle]

Hades aid gives +100% dmg and +50% move speed

[lucid oar]

Only some of the time

[turbid needle]

I don’t know if this is the right chat but what’s a good aspect for the bow

[analog cove]

The bow has no bad aspects but my favorite is Rama

[turbid needle]

Thanks

[analog cove]

What’s a good build for blackout? I was thinking hangover attack fists or beo

[grand brook]

For new players zag bow is good at max level

Hera bow is also good at low level

[cunning urchin]

Talos with Black Out is fun.

[fading nymph]

BESTLOS

🧲

[sterile fiber]

so
The Beo Passion Flare bug also happens if you already have a cast boon and Aphro replaces it

[fading nymph]

Amir pls

[last dirge]

Maybe blackout on eris or lucifer

I tried to do that once. With drunken flourish

Ended up a snowburst build

It's fun. Definitely try to get snowburst

Talos is probably the best option

Maybe go for Low Tolerance

[worldly stream]

What is a good build for Hera?

[sterile fiber]

Crush shot
Snow Burst
Profit

[pliant dirge]

Maybe Mirage if you can pull it off

Quick Reload (?) is also nice

[lucid oar]

Yeah

And poms, that’s the most important

Get crush shot to level 5/6 asap

[worn solar]

chaos and wells prolly easier than mirage

[shell sleet]

wait

ive done that but never noticed somehow

[boreal phoenix]

What is the highest lvl pressure points can effectively get without it being a waste of poms?

[proven osprey]

you just pom it when you don't have any other option

[valid dagger]

1

[boreal phoenix]

Like what if it is a heroic grade

Is it still worth poming more than once?

[lone jetty]

Not really. A Pom on Pressure Points works out to like a 2% global damage boost on average. There are more impactful places to stick a Pom

[valid dagger]

Yea

If you keep a low amount of pommable stuff you usually have things that are worth more to pom

[honest ocean]

Is the Exagryph any good? I didn't get to the Hidden Aspects yet, so if possible don't spoil anything, though if there is some Hidden Aspect that makes the gun very good, just don't say what it does pretty please.

[valid dagger]

It's pretty good

Eris and Hestia moreso than the other 2

[honest ocean]

I am also currently trying to figure out how the "Athena's Aid" call works. Whenever I try to activate it, nothing happens, and I have at least one charge to use. Are there any requirements before it can activate or?

[valid dagger]

It should be working normally if you have one charge

There is no shield surrounding Zag?

[honest ocean]

I press RT and it doesn't trigger at all. Just now at the fight against one of Meg's sisters, I tried to activate it but couldn't. I did have a charge to use. Also bless the bonus trap damage to enemies item, ended up basically shredding her.

[valid dagger]

Try resetting your controls?

[honest ocean]

It does work with any other call. For example, I remember having the one from the God of War (forgot the name, apologies) that spawns the shredding tornado and it worked without any issues. But I'll reset controls, one sec.

[golden iris]

How do I know what god's are best for each weapon?

Using nemesis sword rn

[cold coyote]

athena's call is much more subtle than other calls, i assume it's working you just can't see it, it makes you invincible for 1.5 seconds and while it's active yellow shields will surround zagreus

[honest ocean]

It was actually just me being a big stupid. I was pressing RB on my controller instead of RT, because the icon for RT is extremely similar to RB. That's what confused me, but I figured it out now.

[cold coyote]

ah ok

[honest ocean]

Does anyone know how I can effectively defeat Asterius and Theseus? I simply cannot progress past them no matter what I try, they just do too much damage. Just got Stubborn Defiance (which I think beats Death Defiance by a land slide, despite the lower health returned). Are there any Infernal Arms that are good against them?

[valid dagger]

Stubborn Defiance does not beat Death Defiance

Since due to your lower health pool you have to have pretty clean boss fights

So it'll probably make you lose more often to those

For the Champions focus on Asterius first, Theseus moves are very easy to react to once you get used to the fight a bit more so you just have to pay a bit of extra attention to them while you deal with Asterius, after that you can just focus on Theseus, it's best to try to take your time and learn their movesets

[honest ocean]

I can defeat the first and second boss by now with a few slips at worst, but Theseus and Asterius are the worst for me right now.

[honest ocean]

Okay, will do that next time I go against them, thanks. Any Infernal Arms that I should use? So far my best runs were with the Coronacht and Varatha, but that's because they are good at range.

[valid dagger]

Melee weapons are overall more risky to play but if you're used to them enough they're all viable

[sand anvil]

What do you guys think about the serrated tip hammer on the spear

I honestly think it’s worth the dash nerf, when paired with the correct boons, especially Artemis dash strike, and if you are lucky, chaos dash strike boon

[lone jetty]

I like it especially with Deadly Strike. Dash-strike boosts are decent but the spears dash-strike doesn’t have huge base damage. But tripling it is nice

[sand anvil]

Yeah, definitely

[lone jetty]

Hades aspect does good work with it

[sand anvil]

And Hermes’s dash buffs are great, especially sturdy dash and greatest reflex

Also, I can’t wait to get the final aspect for the fists

The +2 dashes are gonna make things a lot more fast paced

I wonder if I could get epic greatest reflex with it, and get 7 dashes

God that sounds broken

[valid dagger]

spoiler: it's not

Gilga dashes are not the same as normal dashes

They are shorter and have longer recovery

[proper furnace]

3 dashes is all you need in gilga

[sand anvil]

Fudge

[sterile fiber]

btw for gilga you can hold dash down and chain them

[proven osprey]

I tried to like it but it's kinda sus

You lose mobility and the triple dash strike takes time, it's a dangerous hammer to use

and the scaling of it is very limited

the best damage you could get is by playing GY to have a 3*30 base

it's unsafe, not a good aoe and slows you down

[sand anvil]

well, it works for me

especially when I can stack up the dash attack damage and get a good main damage boon, alongside the necessary Athena boon

and the greatest reflex sturdy reflex combo

[analog cove]

Never thought about billowing and smoldering

[proven osprey]

Yeah I ain't saying it does not deal damage

It just feels inferior to other options

[turbid needle]

those combined with second wind is crazy good

[lucid oar]

They are indeed

[steady pebble]

guys

can someone send a gif of him or anyone else fighting hades

just full lenght

[valid dagger]

Uhh

Have this masterpiece

https://imgur.com/a/6ickiUT

Played by UnAnanas not me

If you’re looking for something to help you dodge/ have cleaner fights overall this probably wont help

[zenith hinge]

omg the damages of the shield 😮

tought it was the shield but its not

those things are made with a cast boon right?

[valid dagger]

They are the spins of the 4th Spear

[zenith hinge]

ahhhhh

i never tried it thats why i didnt recognize

[steady pebble]

ty man

[polar python]

And girls... (well, women)

[worn solar]

[worn solar]

what even you want it for

[errant acorn]

Is it too fiddly of me to center my build around two duo boons?

[worn solar]

well just two isnt hard to get

[errant acorn]

I'm experimenting with a build that uses both Smoldering Air and Merciful End.

I've had runs where I've had both of them and Vengeful Mood. I know it's possible

[cunning urchin]

Two Duo Boons from four gods when one of them is Merciful End is way inconsistent.

[worn solar]

yeah... maybe a lot more finickier since you need 4 specific gods and 3 specific cores

[cunning urchin]

But if you e.g. start with the and want two specific Duo Boons from her... that's still pretty reasonable.

Starting Phalanx Shot and looking for Lightning Phalanx and either Deadly Reversal or Parting Shot... very doable.

[lone cloak]

So with the Aspect of chaos shield, let's say I have doom on my special. After my bullrush. I special an opponent close up, so all the multiple shields hit the opponent. Does those dooms stack?

I couldn't tell

[cunning urchin]

No, it doesn't stack.

[fading nymph]

@round field going fast just takes practice mostly. Just thinking about how to play efficiently and also knowing how to put together a good build. Also having full mirror unlocked helps if you don’t have that already lol. There’s also this great guide by SS5D https://youtu.be/_bxwSsTPubI and there’s also the hades speedrunning server pinned in #self-promotion

[round field]

Yeah I see thanks, I’m saving up 30 keys for the last mirror part

[errant acorn]

Yeah, the cores are all highly specific. Athena dash and special, Ares attack, Aphrodite cast, Zeus call

I did manage a run recently with Merciful End, Smoldering Air, Vengeful Mood, and Curse of Longing. It was pretty crazy.

[worn solar]

ngl the only thing curse of longing is good for there is gold

[shell sleet]

curse of longing parting shot and unshakable mettle are so good

435 gold

[valid dagger]

[errant acorn]

I mean, I got it in Styx and figured

My Fated List still needs it

Why not.

[vale imp]

valid honestly

[dull vigil]

any build advice on achilles spear?

i actually died + run out of time on 4 heat, i did 0 damage

was going for a crystal clarity build but its garbage

[valid dagger]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/

[dull vigil]

now this looks much better

thank you

[boreal phoenix]

Is max zag spear any good?

[vale imp]

nope

[boreal phoenix]

(・へ・)

[valid dagger]

Doesn't have a lot going for it

[vale imp]

all the other aspects do special builds better

[valid dagger]

Yea Hades and Guan Yu are stronger for Special builds and for Attack/Cast it's Achilles

[vale imp]

even achilles, just because i like its special better kajfnksdnfa

calling the spear back feels weird, zooming to it feels a lot better

[dull vigil]

is mirage shot better than blizzard shot?

[vale imp]

yeah kinda

mirage shot is more universally useful whereas blizzard shot is just blizzard shot

[dull vigil]

I see

tho the other parts of the build you get are stronger for blizzadr shot i feel

demeter boons are pretty good

[red shuttle]

Heya peeps

So bow and arrow is more safe at first? Just got the game on switch

Which weapon to go for

[languid oyster]

What aspect should I get for coronacht?

[languid oyster]

Well, if you're patient

I prefer the sword

[languid oyster]

Anygays

[worn solar]

theyre all fine

[molten shoal]

shield is super safe btw

[languid oyster]

I like to be agro

Chiron or hera

Or zag

I went for Chiron

[alpine warren]

hey guys um i still havent unlocked meg's companion, i got everyone else's

Favor
After a random number of encounters with the Furies, Megaera will approach Zagreus in his room, and tell him that she's only stopping him from escaping because she has to. (This requires her to have first been in his room to collect her belongings.) After this interaction, Megaera can receive Ambrosia the next time she is met in the House of Hades.

still havent got that event

is there something im missing?

[cunning urchin]

Probably not. Just gotta do more runs.

[steel sapphire]

Hades it's a cool gane :^)

[sand anvil]

if you get lucky enough to get rushed delivery, make sure to pick up sturdy dash as well

the speed from the dash helps keep the damage boon consistent as long as you dash a lot

[proper furnace]

thats how often rush delivery is unlocked

Greater haste kinda sad

[strange lark]

plume strats

[proper furnace]

Plume gaming yeah

[turbid needle]

hello I would like to hop in back to hades whats the build u guys have the most fun with??

[fallen spoke]

merciful end or any flurry spear ,sword or fist build

[sand anvil]

and the Rama bow can be pretty fun as well!

[alpine warren]

Merciful end just too OP

[fallen spoke]

and now tell us something new xd

[polar python]

Honestly I think I've used ME about 2 or 3 times ever. It just never clicked for me.

[alpine warren]

So you mean you didn't shred bosses hp in under a min with it

[unreal tree]

30 seconds for dad take it or leave it

https://youtu.be/dKFfMDJZZrI?t=34 ME good

[valid dagger]

Blursed run

[unreal tree]

5 sack bruh

still wasnt on pb pace after like a low 6 ely exit

also the 16 heat "pb" you see there

that was my actual pb at that point

so I had gotten sub 6:30 any heat

but my heat pb was 16

[valid dagger]

[polar python]

That video is terrifying

[unreal tree]

never got a build that cracked ever again

[valid dagger]

I went high heat first

[steel sapphire]

How

[unreal tree]

885 doom procs

[steel sapphire]

How did you break the game that hard

[valid dagger]

He a gamer

The game didnt like it tho

[steel sapphire]

Gaming

[unreal tree]

grinded for 500 hours for one wr

[steel sapphire]

Sounds about right

[unreal tree]

got it about a month after this run

so yeah just absurd grind and the build was insane

[steel sapphire]

I can see that the build just

Yeah

[unreal tree]

so many poms+epic rush delivery+hyper sprint greater haste(move speed is multiplicative too)

[steel sapphire]

I've gotten decent builds but it feels like, nothing close to that level

[unreal tree]

and double edge+dash strike chaos

[valid dagger]

Yea you don’t always see juice like that

[unreal tree]

the doom damage being over 1000 with dad call on

LOL

[valid dagger]

Imagine DR

[unreal tree]

unmodded days were cursed

I got sacked out of sub 7 9 times before getting it

[steel sapphire]

I'm still trying to finish the fated list

[unreal tree]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/761748064192299048.gif?size=44&quality=lossless

[strange lark]

Bro?

[unreal tree]

yes?

[steel sapphire]

Blessed emote

[unreal tree]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/928387802423500862.webp?size=44&quality=lossless

[steel sapphire]

Blessed

[unreal tree]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/864331581271572530.gif?size=44&quality=lossless

[unreal tree]

wait have you never watched this lol

[strange lark]

No

[unreal tree]

tfw meg only saved like 1-2 seconds

[fallen spoke]

any rama builds

just unlocked it

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike, Hunter Dash, and any out of Doom, Hangover, Lightning on Special.

[worn solar]

chonk attack, flat special

[fallen spoke]

ok thx

[cunning urchin]

Basically.

Thunder Flourish start and looking for a good Attack from there is also pretty good.

[turbid needle]

flurry spear?

[fallen spoke]

flurry jab on spear

[turbid needle]

ohh ok ty

[alpine warren]

just wow

[tawny grove]

sets build up for merciful end
doesn’t get merciful end
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/843753380677550090/936792206445006878/IMG_9027.png

[fallen spoke]

it is still decent

[tawny grove]

eh sort of

[strange lark]

doom damage on its own is pretty good

but ME is just

[tawny grove]

oh come on i just got flurry jab too (athena’s on attack)

[strange lark]

wait you're doing ME on a spear that can get flurry jab?

and you have athena on attack?

[tawny grove]

well i’m trying

[strange lark]

why athena attack?

ME will be much better if you put ares on attack

[tawny grove]

tbh i didn’t think about it

[strange lark]

bruh

[tawny grove]

i’m prob gonna try this again

but yeah i grabbed athena at the beginning and didn’t think about it

wow this build isn’t terrible though

[errant acorn]

Going for very specific boons is a blessing and a curse. When it works it's amazing. When it doesn't, all you can do is just work on your execution.

[tawny grove]

DAMN MERCIFUL END IS SO BROKE-

[proper furnace]

Truly a moMEnt

[strange lark]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523766637757726722/871832970242195526/MercifulEndPat.gif

[hoary sorrel]

Is a Merciful End build better than heartrend build with artemis attack and aphro special?

[tawny grove]

also i think this is the first run where ive gotten all fountains

[grand brook]

Whoa really

Cool

[tawny grove]

beating asterius in under a minute feels GOOD

DANG THESEUS AND ASTERIUS TOO

HOLY IS ME OVERPOWERED

[proper furnace]

Before it was possible to get with athena dash too lol

So no need for the special

[grand brook]

I’ve never felt overpowered during a run

[tawny grove]

time to go beat up dad

wow ME is the most overpowered boon ive ever played with holy-

[proper furnace]

How was hermes in that build?

Oh no Hermes

[tawny grove]

yeah sadly

[light walrus]

best build for aspect of chiron?

[tawny grove]

hangover on special is usually the go to iirc

good build for eris?

[worn solar]

zeus attack, static discharge, tidal dash is the go to

[flat garden]

rocket bomb is nice to have

[tawny grove]

got it

would sea storm help

[worn solar]

seastorm is about as valuable as a couple poms on the dash

[tawny grove]

alr

[worn solar]

you can grab aphrodite on special and a call for smouldering air if you want to go for a duo

[tawny grove]

bet

[prisma nebula]

Ok I can't be the only one to say this but, shield is completely busted in this game

I can just sit there in block mode and my dad can't do anything

Dio/Demeter with Privileged Status, he just gets melted lmao

Cleared to credits off that strategy

[turbid needle]

shield brok3

[valid dagger]

Shield kinda sus

Too wide

[hoary sorrel]

Can someone particularly knowledgeable help me out with some sword related questions?

I am trying to figure out what are some good uses for each aspect.
Aspect of Zag seems particularly well suited towards a Merciful End build due to the attack speed boost.
Aspect of Nemesis is good for... what exactly? I used to think Aspect of Nemesis was good for Heartrend builds but I was disappointed by it.
Aspect of Posiedon is obviously great for exit wound builds. I have been enjoying this aspect way too much.
Aspect of Arthur seems best for Heart Rend Builds.

One other general sword question is the Cruel Thrust Daedalus Upgrade. It seems really useful on Heartrend builds. When else is it useful? I used to think it was one of if not the best hammer upgrade, but I have seen multiple people online state it was "useless" which made no sense to me given how much it increases my damage.

[proper furnace]

All swords can do merciful end as an aside

Zag sword ME doesnt benefit from the attack speed bonus due to it not affecting dash strikes

[hoary sorrel]

and for some context here, I have something like 200+ hours in the game and can run full extreme measures. So I am not a novice, but I do lack a lot of knowledge about how the game actually works.

[proper furnace]

Nemesis works well with artemis as you said, you want more Chaos dash strike/attack bonus/hunters mark mainly
Arthur can simply being tanky with Aphro attack

Cause in words of Nyaanya in weapons line arthur/hestia
"Great dmg 15% of the time/85% poor dmg"

[hoary sorrel]

Can you clarify why the dash strikes matter in this context?

[valid dagger]

Because dash striking is how you play sword optimally

[proven osprey]

You don't rely on the attack

[valid dagger]

Standing attacks are not very good

You go around doing Special > x2 dash strikes for the most part

With a cast here and there

And more dash strikes if you have more dashes from Hermes

[analog cove]

Dash strikes just do a stupid amount of damage and maximize heart rend potential, especially if yoy have the swords best hammer of double edge

[hoary sorrel]

Is this why cruel thrust is viewed negatively?

[valid dagger]

Yup

And some other hammers aswell

And why double edge is above all else

[proper furnace]

Thrust is on "they dont hurt dash strikes" tier

But it also brings nothing

[valid dagger]

Yea that matters when half your hammers screw you over

[proper furnace]

Flurry slash moment

[hoary sorrel]

So what I am getting from this is the Aspect of Nemesis and Aspect of Poseidon are probably the two best sword aspects overall because they give you the most options for dash strikes? Aspect of poisdon also gives you cast build options while aspect of nemesis crit chance bonus helps boost overall dps?

[cunning urchin]

If you want to see some pristine sword gameplay, look for sword runs by Retrash on the high heat leaderboard that's pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies.

[hoary sorrel]

I hate that upgrade so much lol

[analog cove]

Nemesis is clearly best and all the others are more niche, only explicitly worse is zag, is my understanding

[proper furnace]

Arthur is solid too

[hoary sorrel]

I will check it out.

[valid dagger]

Retrash did hitless EM4 55 like last night

[proper furnace]

Did they upload the vid?

[valid dagger]

Casual 3 minute fight on Poseidon sword

Not yet but he will iirc

[cunning urchin]

Retrash plays a different game from us.

[proper furnace]

The Retrash experience

[valid dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/936795426210852904/unknown.png

[cunning urchin]

Normal tryhards: "Oh no, I somehow timed out even though I got Merciful End in Tartarus."
Retrash: skates through EM4 one-handed with Lv1. common Drunken Strike

[hoary sorrel]

I love the simplicity of exit wound builds. Once you get Trueshot and exit wounds, everything else is gravy. Of course there are boons that are nice to have, or getting extra cast ammo is always a good thing.

[cunning urchin]

Well, that one's not really an optimal build at all. He just has AP2, so he takes whatever he gets.

[valid dagger]

Well at 55 heat you cant be too picky

[cunning urchin]

That's quite the lucky build for AP2 though ngl.

[hoary sorrel]

AP2?

[cunning urchin]

Approval Process 2.

[hoary sorrel]

Oh ok

[cunning urchin]

2/3 options are crossed out.

[valid dagger]

Yea that build is spicy

[errant acorn]

Does it make sense to do Athena attack on Arthur?

[strange lark]

It's fine

Aphro attack is much better tho

But you can do a funny backstab build with Athena attack

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/835545407572017152/Screenshot_183.png

[proper furnace]

And it looks cool

[valid dagger]

lol

[errant acorn]

It does look cool.

But honestly if I want pure aesthetic I'll just take nothing but Demeter boons on everything.

And play Guan Yu.

Actually, now that I say that, I could see a Killing Freeze build on Guan Yu being pretty good

[valid dagger]

i could see a killing freeze build being pretty good

[cunning urchin]

That's just Killing Freeze being good.

[honest ocean]

One question: how good is the Adamant Rail? I haven't looked into what powers the various boons or upgrades can grant, but on paper, this gun seems to be pretty bad. You have to reload it and it deals little damage, plus the regular attack can't even stagger enemies according to the wiki.

[faint plume]

I always run special with the rail using lucifer’s aspect. Zeus is good here. Lightening hits twice and triple bomb turns the place into a land mine

[proven osprey]

definitely one of the best weapons

you can use your special during your reload, meaning it's not a time waste. Especially useful on Eris

the base rail is bad though

[polar python]

Hestia rail with shackle can reliably get you through a zero boon run. I've done that up to 8 heat and it's fine.

Though you want that fully unlocked.

Hestia with a big Aphrodite attack boon is epic.

[lucid oar]

It is indeed

[cunning urchin]

You'll want Lightning Strike (+ Static Discharge) or Drunken Strike on the rail.

[turbid needle]

which aspect is better for merciful end??

[cunning urchin]

Nemesis, Demeter, Zag Shield, Zeus, Guan Yu.

Those are pretty good with Merciful End.

[languid oyster]

Is the hermes feather good?

[polar python]

Sort of but if you swap it out for something else you lose all the bonus.

So you have to commit fully to it, probably for the whole run

[hazy anchor]

Once I tried Lambent Plume in Styx hoping to rack up a bunch of quick clears in the small rooms, but I hardly got any. But not none. I think the time limit for those rooms is really short

Has anyone done the math on that?

[proper furnace]

Plume only applies to rooms at the end of each tunnel

Same for than keepsake

[hazy anchor]

Ah I see. Thought I was so clever!

[valid dagger]

Plume activates Hermes Legendary

Can be used for that

Given that Bad News works totally normally and gives you Global Damage instead

[cinder gate]

What rooms are best to use Meg companion on?

[strange lark]

i usually go tart miniboss, aspho miniboss, ely miniboss, heroes, dad

[valid dagger]

Yea that's pretty much it

If your build has good early juice you can instead not Meg in Tartarus and use it on Styx miniboss

[tawny grove]

sometimes i use meg on lernies last stage cause it one shots him

[valid dagger]

Yea that's a panic Meg

Just to secure the win

Guan Yu likes that Meg

[tawny grove]

no matter how hard i try i cannot make guan yu work for me

[valid dagger]

@turbid needle We have tools to wipe all the attempts in a savefile while keeping your speed and Heat PBs, makes it easier to just keep playing the same file while wiping it from time to time, you can also just downloaded a maxed out savefile and start from there (you can track your own progress since it has no run history), also if you take my victory screen as a example, it has ~130 clears but it has way more attempts (around ~700), if you try to push heat or go for fast times you will have to reset a lot or sometimes you just die so yea

[valid dagger]

Have you tried a Special build

You have to rely on hammers unfortunately which can be a pain since you get less attempts than some other weapons

Well in this case only 1 hammer, which is Charged Skewer, and you kinda want that to be your first hammer, otherwise your damage will be very sad from Asphodel moving forward

[tawny grove]

hmm alr

[valid dagger]

You can make a spinny Guan yu work (mostly sea storm ), or you can go for Merciful End which technically relies less on Charged Skewer but your damage is still gonna suffer because Merciful End has a lot of important pieces which might take a while to come online

And the Skewer is a lot of your damage even with a complete ME build

[tawny grove]

yeah i was considering sea storm

[valid dagger]

Yea it's usable or sure, but you need a ton of Zeus

[tawny grove]

i did a ME Achilles run yesterday which was a load of fun but i want to try smth else so ill probably do sea storm

[valid dagger]

You can try a Cast build since Achilles' buff empowers Casts

Hunting Blades is very popular

[sand anvil]

yeah, I use it to get to the second mulit hydra stage

[tawny grove]

been wanting to try hunting blades

[valid dagger]

Achilles is your perfect aspect then

[tawny grove]

is there any heat settings i do not want to use with guan yu?

[cunning urchin]

DC, RI, AP.

[valid dagger]

HS can be a pain given the small HP pool too, but the more you get used to the aspect the more heat you'll be able to tolerate in general

[tawny grove]

(what are those i dont feel like checking the acronym list rn)

[valid dagger]

Damage Control, Routine Inspection, Approval Process and Heightened Security

[cinder gate]

Does LC at lvl 1 affect the healing from Guan Yu's SPINNY SPEAR

[valid dagger]

Nope

[cinder gate]

Epic

[turbid needle]

u can take LC4 if you want its not bad on guan yu

[cunning urchin]

Probably wanna avoid FO.

[cinder gate]

Im still at a relatively low heat level on Spear so I'm just asking out of curiosity lol

Currently just doing EM2 and LC1

[turbid needle]

yea in FO2 the spear healng is practically unusable

[cinder gate]

should be pretty easy

[valid dagger]

Yea if you wanna spin you better not have fast enemies

[turbid needle]

its halfing ur hp with almost no upside

[cinder gate]

Also @valid dagger for ME Guan Yu, Athena Attack / Ares Special or vice versa?

[valid dagger]

Vice versa

[cinder gate]

gotchu

[valid dagger]

Ares on Attack and Athena on Special, you want be doing Special > x2 Dash strikes on Guan Yu

[turbid needle]

is there any aspect that prefers curse of pain ME?

[cinder gate]

What keepsake should I be using for Ely/Styx? (I'll be getting Ares in Tart and Athena in Aspho)

[valid dagger]

Possibly Zeus

Since it has better scaling and less reliance on rarity

But it works both ways for Zeus

[cinder gate]

or should I just go all the way with Pierced Butterfly and hope for the best

[strange lark]

rama

[valid dagger]

Pierced Butterfly is for the memes mostly

For Elysium and Styx go for defensive keepsakes

[grand brook]

Acorn or lucky tooth

[valid dagger]

Tooth or Acorn preferably

[turbid needle]

first 2 should almost always be god kep sakes

[grand brook]

Unless you get the other god naturally, in which you can take something like the coin purse instead

[hazy anchor]

I normally do acorn for Elysium because there are no low level enemies, then tooth for Styx

[proven osprey]

Big true

[hazy anchor]

So I have a question, is Hunter Instinct useless? How exactly does it work? 0.25% to 0.4% faster God gauge rate seems extremely minor

[cinder gate]

oh wow a natural ares and athena in this run. epic.

[valid dagger]

I don't know exactly how it works but I can tell you if you wanna build Call Gauge quickly take Support Fire instead

[turbid needle]

at common, at 10 crits you get 1 stock of most gods bars

[cinder gate]

anyways time to never get merciful end because this game hates me

[proven osprey]

It's absolute garbage yes

[turbid needle]

its only good in build that crit a lot like deadly flourish chiron

[valid dagger]

You mean Flourish

And I would take Support Fire over it still in that scenario

[turbid needle]

ye my b

[valid dagger]

The only aspect that can theoretically make good use of it is probably Double Edge Deadly Strike Nemesis with Extra Dashes

Since that thing crits a ton

[hazy anchor]

Does it stack? So like, if you hit 10 crits, your gauge charges 2.5% faster that encounter?

[valid dagger]

It's just tough to measure how much Hunter's Instinct is actually helping you

[hazy anchor]

Or is it just, when you crit it adds 0.25 to your meter (out of 100)

[proven osprey]

It fills up the gauge yeah

[hazy anchor]

So if you get 100 crits in an encounter that's a quarter of a bar.

Wow ok. Yeah I always thought it was bad but damn

[proven osprey]

The thing is, aspects that build up call don't need it. Aspects that struggle at building up call do not like crit anyway

[valid dagger]

Yea that's a good way to put it

[proven osprey]

Like support fire is doing hunter's instinct job better and gives you damage

[valid dagger]

It's up

[proper furnace]

Pog

[valid dagger]

Yea that fight is messed up

Never seen a more flawless EM4

[strange lark]

bruh he didnt even touch a butterfly in the last fight

[valid dagger]

Yea I thought it's something like 3 Skullcrushers

Because it's easy to not get hit by those

But nope

It's projectiles everywhere

I can watch this all day

[proven osprey]

The damage is quite good

[cunning urchin]

what we see: projectiles everywhere
what Retrash sees: oh nice, I can skate here undisturbed and nothing will bother me

[proven osprey]

Insane fight

[valid dagger]

Yea the damage is amazing

[valid dagger]

oh nice 3 sneaks ez win

[cunning urchin]

He probably doesn't even see them. Just all the free space around them where nothing will hit him.

[tawny grove]

okay i can simply not get gaun yu to work well for me so ill prob do a hunting blades build soon

[valid dagger]

You can watch someone experienced with the aspect playing it, maybe it gives you a better idea, it's a hard aspect tho yea

[strange lark]

@ astaos

[proven osprey]

If you want some footage I can provide some any heat gameplay

[worn solar]

speen

[tawny grove]

oh? could i see some for 1-2 heat

[turbid needle]

1-2 barely changes the game at all

[tawny grove]

also what are good zag fists hammers?

[proper furnace]

Breachibg cross comfy

[proven osprey]

Basically, you want to use go special, double dash strike as Mike said earlier. For tougher enemies, you'll include a cast in the rotation (with any special boon, special > dash strike > cast kills louts and thugs in tartarus). To deal damage, you'll need at least charged skewer. Otherwise, the aspect greatly falls off by elysium.

The most powerful build is Merciful End. You could clear a run with charged skewer alone and any boon % on special. Aphro is great for the weak, Arty is better damage wise and offers scaling (through chaos, jerkies from the shop, hunter's mark).

You usually try to line up enemies to deal with them quickly and spin between waves for bigger enemies (that you don't one shot with your special).

[analog cove]

Any Poseidon reccomend actions? I’m kind of tired of heart rend dash frenzy nemesis

[last dirge]

Any cast works really

[vale imp]

it works better if the cast lodges in the enemy

like Zeus, Poseidon, Artemis, Aphrodite

[tawny grove]

what would you want on a hunting blades build

[lucid oar]

Aspect of Achilles, engulfing vortex, hunting blades, poms

And mirage shot

[proper furnace]

chaos casts/cast dmg always good

same for charon wells

[cold coyote]

cruel thrust or double edge

is better

in general

[strange lark]

dedge

[cold coyote]

oki

does dash strike also count as a thrust

[strange lark]

no

[cold coyote]

same animation so idk

[flat garden]

no

[cold coyote]

ok

[lucid oar]

Thrust takes a while to come out

Leaves you vulnerable

[worn solar]

cruel thrust is not stonks

[prisma nebula]

How do you unlock secret aspects?

[proper furnace]

check #h1-story-discussion pins

[prisma nebula]

gotcha thanks

[cinder gate]

Is it a good idea to use Meg on Charon, or should I just save those for the typical minibosses?

[prisma nebula]

You can fight Charon?

Oh is that what happens if you steal his money lmao

[proper furnace]

yup

[worn solar]

well charon is basically a boss and is much more dangerous than minibosses so might as well

[proper furnace]

@ancient stag Hazard eris + delta chamber is the dream

can keep your iframes on dash strike

[ancient stag]

[proper furnace]

hazard bomb eris is fun tho

not clockets lvl of fun but still

[ancient stag]

clockets?

[proper furnace]

cluster + rocket bomb

[ancient stag]

huh

[opal lark]

whats a fun unorthodox build to try out at around 5-6 heat

[vale imp]

use hermes or thanatos keepsake, use it the whole run, stack them as high as possible

[turbid needle]

is spin 2 win unorthodox?

[vale imp]

for spear? yeah

[turbid needle]

yeah well that's alot of fun, you rely alot on hammers tho so you can't consistently get it

unlike bonns where there's a few things you can do to get the ones you want

[tawny grove]

whats a good chiron build? (preferably not weak + hangover)

[cinder gate]

i like aphro atk artemis special, then get Heart Rend and pretty much just boost special and/or crits to high hell

Sea Storm chiron is fun too

[polar python]

Demeter on special works quite well too

[livid silo]

I noticed a few runs ago that trying to go for Chaos early on, using as many Fated Authorities necessary to get a chaos boon that increases boon rarity.
If I get that in Tartarus, it makes the rest of the run almost trivial.
That said, I'm just about to get to 15 heat.
Does anyone find this strategy bad, if so why?

[prisma nebula]

It's solid if the opportunity cost of possibly having less control over what boons you get later isn't an issue for you

Like if you only need two or so boons to bring your build online (like Chiron's aphro/artemis combo), yeah go for it, especially if you got one of the two already

But if you're like, angling for something really specific like Smair or ME, the opportunity cost rises

Cause you might have wanted those authorities later to try and force the duo you need

[cunning urchin]

That's Persuasion btw. Favor is an alright boon from Master Chaos, but it's certainly not worth spending rerolls on to look for specifically. Usually you only reroll Master Chaos's boons if (1) you're looking for Grasp or Shot in a Cast build; (2) you're looking for Strike, Lunge, or Flourish in builds that benefit a lot from that; or (3) if all three options are really bad.

Any other time, you just pick whatever is the best of the three options and move on, save your rerolls for more important stuff.

I would even say it's a bad strategy, in fact. You want to use your rerolls in order to get boons that directly affect your build or that are requirements to get something else that's crucial to your build. Favor isn't either of those two things. It only helps you indirectly by increasing the rarity of the boons you'll get, but those might not be the ones you really want if you spent rerolls looking for Favor already.

But it's a nice pick if you're offered it and don't have to reroll for it.

[prisma nebula]

I defer to nyaa on this, they have more game knowledge

[proven osprey]

Rarity won't carry you

it's something you care to optimize while speedrunning but there's no such thing as winning because your frost strike is epic and not rare

it's impactful for flat damage such as doom, jolted etc but at the end of the day it does not matter much

• as mentioned before, you'd lost your build control for a chance of getting prettier boons

[prisma nebula]

Basically. If you thought rarity was an easy carry, try Chiron with aphro attack and Artemis or Demeter special. Filthy

You'll turn the furies into pincushions

[valid dagger]

Heartrend Chiron is pretty solid

[livid silo]

This is helpful, thanks

[livid silo]

I tend to be very lucky with my boons, but I haven't really gone into crazy specific builds. For the heat I'm at, this works well enough, but probably won't carry me much further.

I usually just pick a initial god for the weapon i go in with and then swap to Persephone's trinket before I enter Asphodel

I find that I can make a working knockback build with most weapons, except maybe fists.
So my go-tos are usually Poseidon or Artemis

Really enjoyed playing around with Demeter and the fists though.

[alpine warren]

Hey guys I'm struggling to do a run under 20' let alone 15, even 0 heat any tips?

Build I've been trying is heart rend

[lucid oar]

What aspect are you using heart rend on

https://youtu.be/_bxwSsTPubI here’s a good guide

[tranquil lion]

okay so after getting my first 32 heat clear on achilles spear hunting blades build, here's a small bit of advice for people trying to optimize their run for any cast based build

unlike pretty much every other kind of build in the game, casting based builds is probably like the one time when you could intentionally skip hammers and still have a good build

[valid dagger]

True

But most of the time you dont wanna skip them regardless

[tranquil lion]

yep, and even in my run, I would be dumb to say that flurry jab didn't help

[valid dagger]

Yea it's incredibly useful, and a big portion of your damage given that Achilles can shred rooms without having to Cast

Casts come up for beefier enemies and bosses mostly

[tranquil lion]

yep

but yeah, it's just a thing to keep in mind on what the end game of your build is and what should be prioritized

i.e. in my cast based build, I kept delaying hammers in favor of fishing for the duo boon (and even forgo a second hammer completely) cuz while my room clear would be slightly slower, I know the end game of my build is Hunting Blades...and if I don't get that boon, I can be pretty boned by the time I reach the end of elysium

and then of course putting even more priority on chaos than other builds knowing that there are few other sources that will increase the cast damage significantly

of course once you reach high heat and you start losing mirror bonuses, have fewer boon choices, and get forced to purge a boon at the end of each area, you dont really get to pick and choose as much anymore

but that doesnt reaaaaally come into play until like maybe 40ish heat?

[proper furnace]

Even higher lol

Picking ap/ri at 40 is

[valid dagger]

RI is really 50 territory

[tranquil lion]

man I dont even want to think about 40 or 50 heat runs atm lmao

[proper furnace]

40 is spicy 32 heat

[tranquil lion]

right now, I just want to turn off forced overtime and play everything in slow motion to finish hunting bounties on the rest of my weapons LOL

[proper furnace]

You still can get away from awful pacts

[tranquil lion]

cuz I'm still a little shooken from last night's run

[valid dagger]

Yea 40 is not too bad

[proper furnace]

How much FO you used?

[tranquil lion]

40 lmao

[proper furnace]

Lol makes sense

Fo2 hard

[tranquil lion]

getting chased by a golden armored bull at FO 40% was fun

and by fun, I mean fking terrifying

[proper furnace]

Nice pact you got there

[valid dagger]

FO2 is for real gamers

[proper furnace]

Im a casual gamer sadly

[valid dagger]

same

[strange lark]

filthy casuals

[tranquil lion]

oh another small tip for people trying to get their 20 heat bounties or 32 heat statue, is to avoid going all-in on certain pacts unless you really know what you're doing

[valid dagger]

LC4 is a pact you should take at 32

[shell sleet]

feel like AP1 is fine at 40 on some aspects

[valid dagger]

It's fine for the most part yea

I usually take it

If you dont mind resetting a few times for decent rng it pretty much helps you avoid CF2 and JS which is quite nice

[proper furnace]

I did mine for 40 rama lol

I think it onoy blocked parting shot

[shell sleet]

same

[hoary sorrel]

Any recommendations for the Aspect of Gilgamesh? Just unlocked it and it looks fun.

[valid dagger]

Merciful End

Or dash only with Tidal Dash

[hoary sorrel]

Just picked that up near the end of the Tartarus, just gotta get divine dash to go with it 🙂

Got Epic curse of agony, and Rare Divine Flourish with Merciful end

[unreal tree]

Buy a lottery ticket

[dull vigil]

why do ppl do cast builds on the spear?

achilles spear

what makes it a cast weapon?

[tranquil lion]

https://imgur.com/1MoXglp cuz of this

[proper furnace]

150% cast dmg kinda strong

[worn solar]

like for reference poseidon and talos give only 50% max lvl

[hoary sorrel]

Gilgamesh + Merciful End is broken bonkers good.

[tranquil lion]

welp time to try silly builds like zeus aspect shield with athena special and cast

summon like 4 beyblades and deflect everything

[grand brook]

What’s good builds for the hades spear and shield of chaos

[turbid needle]

best aspect of hades build is clicking on achilles

[worn solar]

crit for hades or ME. zoos spam for chaos

[turbid needle]

for hades go deadly strike, hb flourish and heartrend

[grand brook]

Ik achilles is good I’m just trying it out to see how it works

[turbid needle]

yea i get it, for me i was like “hey, i havent played these aspects in a while” and i decided nah theres good reason why i dont play em. Theyre so boring

hades is fun with its big sweep but i aint gonna play chaos ever again

[grand brook]

What’s wrong with chaos shield?

[turbid needle]

i just find it way too boring

id rather play zag sheild

[grand brook]

What’s zag shields bonus

[turbid needle]

+15 base dmg to attack and dash-strike

[prisma nebula]

heresy! /s

[tawny grove]

whats a good nemesis build?

[valid dagger]

You can go for the classic crit build or Merciful End

Classic crit build being Artemis on attack, Aphro on Special -> Heartrend (the other way works well too), and just look for Chaos + Hunter’s dash to scale

And Hermes ofc

[tawny grove]

got it

[grand brook]

You’re right it IS boring. I’m gonna switch to achilles spear after this run

It feels like the base spear

[dull vigil]

do you build talos the same way as eris? sea storm zeus/poseidon?

[cold coyote]

do the pots/urns in the hades fight phase 2 count as traps

[dull vigil]

yes

[cold coyote]

ok

thought

[dull vigil]

ok

[tranquil lion]

turn on heightened security pact and watch the urns do 150 damage

also who pinged me in here?

[cold coyote]

[dull vigil]

Me by accident sorry

replied to your msg instead of sending one

[tranquil lion]

ah np

[tranquil lion]

man, the crit build is even funnier if you go full meme and get world splitter + backstab/breaching hammer

the build basically turns into "show me you want ||aspect of arthur|| sword without actually getting ||aspect of arthur||"

[strange lark]

Kinda, start Zeus attack and pick up any high damage cast

Then you play normal fists but your casts deal extra damage

[dull vigil]

thank you

so artemis cast is good right? can also open up mirage shot possibility

[strange lark]

Nah

Athena or aphro are probably the best

Athena can also get lightning phalanx duo with Zeus for some nice room clear

[dull vigil]

I see

I will try to go for those, tho its kinda up to rng

[analog cove]

It’s flurry the best Hera hammer?

[proper furnace]

ye

[lucid oar]

It’s the best for speedruns but it’s hard to control

[zenith hinge]

Ideas for a strong Gilgamesh build? I just unlocked it so want to try them :D. I've read Ares attack/Athena dash to proc doom and they have a cool duo boon together

[lucid oar]

Yeah merciful end is rlly good

Also can go splash dash build

Get a lot of poms, razor shoals, lightning reflexes, pressure points and hunters mark

And maybe sea storm if you can

It’s a lot of fun

[zenith hinge]

okay, will have to make a few runs with it then 😄 thanks

[prisma nebula]

How strong is hoarding slash?

[proper furnace]

"At least it doesnt hurt you" tier

[tranquil lion]

if you're gonna run hoarding slash as an actual strategy, it'd be funnier if you run golden touch mirror and never spend money

[dull vigil]

how much gold can you even get until the end realistically? around 3k? that's 150 damage for giving up quite a lot of boons/buffs, not sure if it's worth it

and if you take into account that you can get an other hammer instead then it's less than 150

[vale imp]

it's a meme run, not an actual strategy

hoarding slash is better than some hammers though coughDashNovacough

[proper furnace]

It only adds the dmg after other calculations iirc?

[vale imp]

yeah

[proper furnace]

Thats why "at least it doesnt hurt you" tier lol

@cinder gate remember you can reset your mirror, so can put darkness not used atm in something better

[cinder gate]

I usually don't set out with any particular builds in mind, and sometimes that build will inevitably change

[proper furnace]

I mean fam fave is the normal pick for a reason

No matter the build you get something of it

[cinder gate]

unlike priv status which has higher payoff in the end but is harder to meet the conditions for

[proper furnace]

Priv status is for the "ik im getting 2 curses"

[cinder gate]

so something like, idk, Heart Rend focused builds, or Sea Storm would use priv status

[proper furnace]

Heart rend def doesnt use p status

[cinder gate]

okay literally anything dionysus then ig

[proper furnace]

Mark isnt reliable for it

[cinder gate]

like uh the aphro dio duo thingy

[proper furnace]

Yup

That one is fun

[cinder gate]

though @proper furnace are there any mirror talents that you almost never use

[proper furnace]

Dsrk regen/abbysal/olympian favor/fated authorithy

Golden touch

[cinder gate]

why is fated auth bad?

[strange lark]

imagine not using abyssal on beo

[cinder gate]

also yeah abyssal beo is literally the only reason i have abyssal maxed

and you know

Lightning Rod Gameing.

[strange lark]

fated authority isnt that good

its only useful in boonless runs tbh

and getting the boons you want with fa is pretty hard

[cinder gate]

the main use I can think of for fated auth is "making sure a certain god doesn't get added to a pool"

[proper furnace]

Also fun for how many poms can you fit into your hangover boon

[cinder gate]

hades gets drunk and dies

[strange lark]

oh yeah i did that once

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/841320678531268618/Screenshot_220.png

why is it not embing for me

help

[proper furnace]

Idk

Drunken eris fun tho

[cinder gate]

you cant embed here i dont think

[strange lark]

you can

[cinder gate]

is there like an image perms role or soemthing bc i sure cant

[strange lark]

there isnt

[cinder gate]

but i digress

[proper furnace]

There isnt img perms

But embed perms yes

[cinder gate]

i noticed you didnt mention stubborn defiance

[strange lark]

stubborn for high heat

with lc4

[proper furnace]

High heat meta yeah

[cinder gate]

makes sense

when i was first starting out i literally just offed myself to the lava in asphodel sometimes if i still had my stubborn charge just to heal lol

[proper furnace]

We still do that at high heat lol

Also for athena dds

[strange lark]

we sometimes do that even if we dont have a SD

[cinder gate]

ah yes. tactical suicide

[proper furnace]

HaelianEgg.gif

[strange lark]

https://tenor.com/view/haelian-hades-eggs-mistake-gif-19288335

[proper furnace]

Love it

[cinder gate]

HE DOESN'T KNOW

[zenith hinge]

lol ^^

[prisma nebula]

WOOPS

[fading nymph]

https://youtu.be/CvhAsiTUnEg

And sometimes…

[tawny grove]

so i see how beowulf is broken now

[valid dagger]

[tawny grove]

yeah it really destroyed Theseus in seconds (and i forgot to equip acorn too)
died to hades but that was my fault for thinking i could get more hits in

[turbid needle]

it is op but its also literally broken bcz mirage shot on flare do 100% dmg not 30% lol

along with trippy flare double pom scaling and bunch more bugs lol

[tawny grove]

oh yeah

[tranquil lion]

hm so sea storm shield is pretty sweet-- since the shield's attack is considered a knockback effect by default, you can technically use any boon on the attack slot and still have sea storm trigger when you attack

[tawny grove]

oh woah what

didnt know that

[tranquil lion]

so my proposal is to run poseidon cast and zeus special to fulfil the requirements for sea storm

zeus special will unlock the requirements for the double bolts and therefore legendary

[worn solar]

yeah double strike and splitting bolt both affect seastorm which is stonks

[tranquil lion]

yup

you're free to use whatever attack and dash you want, but poseidon dash is easily the most aggressive one to use with sea storm especially with hermes extra dashes

[valid dagger]

The most agressive poseidon boon is easily huge catch

[prisma nebula]

What hammers are you supposed to get on spear

[unreal tree]

Flurry jab on Achilles/zag spear

[tranquil lion]

flurry jab

[prisma nebula]

Gotcha. Is the one that makes your special bounce to extra enemies good

[unreal tree]

Guan yu wants charged skewer, hades wants exploding first then charged second

[prisma nebula]

Cause I tried it and it seems ass

[worn solar]

or explosive launcher + charged on zag/hades spear

[unreal tree]

Its really not great

[prisma nebula]

Yeah... Maybe with Dionysus but otherwise I don't like it much

[unreal tree]

Spear is absurdly hammer reliant

[valid dagger]

Yea that hammer barely does anything

And literally nothing for bosses

[tranquil lion]

I pretty much only use achilles spear and none of the other spears lol

[worn solar]

also chain skewer means no explody

[prisma nebula]

Great lmao

Well this run I'm on is gonna be super rough

[tranquil lion]

are you doing high heat or something?

[prisma nebula]

No, just first time ever using spear

Demeter special, Artemis attack

Trying to salvage it by forcing smair but it's not going great

Zeus call, at least I have his legendary

And aphro cast

Just a complete mess

[valid dagger]

High heat is for tryhards

[unreal tree]

Based

[tawny grove]

fact tbh

[valid dagger]

We casual gamers over here

[tawny grove]

im a completionist so i do want to do most of the heat levels eventually but simply because it makes me feel good to have done it all

im also- not great at this game

[valid dagger]

I hope you don’t mean all the heat levels

[tawny grove]

not all of them lol

but like up to
the Reasonable Amount

[valid dagger]

So 60

[tawny grove]

the wiki tells me that 21 is the limit for bounties

so probably that

[valid dagger]

20

[tawny grove]

that then

[valid dagger]

25 for hellmode

[tawny grove]

yeah i probably wouldnt last seconds on anything past 25

[valid dagger]

You never know

[tawny grove]

i both admire and fear people who play on super high heats

[unreal tree]

Not with that altitude

[tawny grove]

maybe someday

[valid dagger]

I thought going above 32 would be insane back then

[tranquil lion]

I feel like I would sooner try speed running any heat than going beyond 32 heat

[valid dagger]

Now I’m at 55 and doing more

[tawny grove]

oh wow

i need to actually beat the game first before i try out higher heats lol

6 clears so far (one for each weapon)

[valid dagger]

Mix the two and speedrun 32

[tawny grove]

i was going to say id rather die but then i remembered this is hades and i will die

id love to speedrun the game but uh speedrunning hard

[valid dagger]

True

But getting into it is a lot of fun

[tranquil lion]

I only just got my first sub 15min today

[tawny grove]

think my best time is 17 on rail

[prisma nebula]

That's not bad at all

[tranquil lion]

of all weapons, I ended up getting it on shield

[tawny grove]

my first clear took over an hour somehow? i have no idea how

[tranquil lion]

I was kinda planning on farming darkness to start unlocking ranks and stuff but then I noticed it was on PB pace somehow

[tawny grove]

pb?

[tranquil lion]

and now that I know how to optimize for sea storm, I think I could actually get it faster

[valid dagger]

Personal Best

[tawny grove]

ohh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/843753380677550090/937627189971673118/IMG_7278.png
yeah heres my times so far

[valid dagger]

Nice

Playing multiple weapons is pretty gud

[tawny grove]

theyre not great but eh
oh yeah

want to try and see how much i can break beowulf for my next clear

[valid dagger]

They're actually very good considering it's only your first clear

except maybe Shield

[turbid needle]

did you go afk on sheild>

[tawny grove]

that was my very first and honestly i have n o idea how i did that

[valid dagger]

probably went for lunch then had a football match then came back

[tawny grove]

lmao

i probably took a break and just forgot for a bit

[valid dagger]

Pausing the game pauses the in game timer aswell

Common speedrunning technique

[prisma nebula]

shield
Bro got called down for dinner and forgot to pause

[tawny grove]

need to redo shield sometime its so terrible lmao

[turbid needle]

all except sheild satisfy TD2 which is insane for first clears

[tawny grove]

oh?

[prisma nebula]

Ate a whole enchilada while Zag was sweating for 30min in Asphodel room 4

[turbid needle]

most of the first clears ive seen are 30-50

[prisma nebula]

No that's true, I can't talk trash at all

Shield: for when you just wanna have a Nice Time

[tawny grove]

if story rooms didnt count to the timer spending a ungodly amount of time in eurydices room would be my explanation

[prisma nebula]

Understandable

[turbid needle]

its paused in those rooms

which is nice so u can chill and listen to her if u want lol

[tawny grove]

like im pretty sure i spent at least 15 minutes there probably more

[tawny grove]

oh wow

[lucid oar]

Shield is by far my fastest

[valid dagger]

my first clear was 7 minutes

[turbid needle]

cap

[prisma nebula]

Tell me your secrets

[lucid oar]

I’ve actually wanted to try that

[valid dagger]

[lucid oar]

Sub 10 first clear

[valid dagger]

Well ff is like 12 igt at best I think

[lucid oar]

nyoom pow blast

[valid dagger]

||beowulf||

[prisma nebula]

The secrets of the gods

[prisma nebula]

LUL

[lucid oar]

If it works it works

I nearly streaked sub 7s yday

Second run was :00.45

😦

[valid dagger]

6:60.45

[lucid oar]

Lmao

[valid dagger]

I dont even know what I'm doing

I wanna heat pb and anyheat pb and they both suck

[lucid oar]

Just do 32 heat speed

[valid dagger]

I actually tried yesterday

[lucid oar]

Wait isn’t your 40 time something stupid as well with EM4

[valid dagger]

Then went into asphodel and realized I have DDs and high confidence

Yea my 40 is a 7:37 scuffed EM4 pact

this one is more pain to beat

Because AP1

[lucid oar]

Damn that’s my 32 heat time

(Without em4)

[valid dagger]

lol

3 ichors rd

[tawny grove]

em4 sounds like hell

[valid dagger]

The fight is pretty fun

At high heat it's hell tho yea

because other pacts make it much harder

[lucid oar]

Had a run with epic rd and only level 3 common cast up until after the sack

So sad

[valid dagger]

I saw that one

[lucid oar]

121 damage

[tawny grove]

so wait how does the beowulf mirage shot bug work

[valid dagger]

Mirage says it does 30%

But on Beowulf it's actually 100%

[tawny grove]

ah

[lucid oar]

It works with flares

So trippy flare on hera works

[prisma nebula]

What?

[valid dagger]

Yea so Hera with Trippy Flare too

[prisma nebula]

Wait what

[valid dagger]

Beowulf doesnt have like Phalanx shot

[lucid oar]

Casts are called flares on beowulf cos they look different

[valid dagger]

It has Phalanx flare instead

and same for all casts on beo

[prisma nebula]

Wait so does that make the damage silly

[lucid oar]

It does indeed

[prisma nebula]

Neato

[valid dagger]

Yea it's what you shoot for on Beowulf

[tawny grove]

so trippy flare with mirage shot sounds
very interesting

[valid dagger]

Trippy flare with Mirage shot is the peak of Beowulf bugs

[tawny grove]

oh yes

[prisma nebula]

That's interesting

[tawny grove]

time to go break a game
well, tomorrow, its late today

[prisma nebula]

I paused my awful spear run cause my gf parents are celebrating cny

I'm also mid fight with minotaur

So when I get back I'm gonna be drunk with a horrible build

Yeeeeeeee doggieeee

[valid dagger]

[tawny grove]

have fun with that lol

id assume zeus duo + demeter duo on trippy flare make it even more op

actually youd only be able to have one of those right because god pool if you had mirage shot

[lucid oar]

Demeter duo adds a delay which can make it worse

Just aim for mirage shot since trying to guarantee a specific 4 god pool is hard

[valid dagger]

https://imgur.com/a/u2KJTN9

Here you go

[turbid needle]

blackout with drunken strike helps a lot

[tawny grove]

yeah id assume that much
jesus christ god i have to try that

[lucid oar]

Jesus

29s

[valid dagger]

Just keep in mind this type of build is quite inconsistent

Lots of pieces have to come together

Also this is not me it's UnAnanas

[lucid oar]

I’m not sure what my quickest beo dad is

[prisma nebula]

Jesus

That feels almost unfair

Never thought I'd feel sorry for Hades

[valid dagger]

I guess that's why it's inconsistent

[tawny grove]

basically id need:
Artemis on smth
Poseidon on smth (dash seems good)
Trippy flare
and then just pray to rngjesus for mirage shor?

[lucid oar]

Yep

[valid dagger]

Artemis on Attack ideally

[lucid oar]

And you need +1 cast from some source

[valid dagger]

Since that's a lot of damage

[tawny grove]

got it
love support fire so id prob aim for that as well

[valid dagger]

Poseidon on Dash is good if you have Charged Shot (hammer), otherwise its kinda annoying

[lucid oar]

You want stygian soul

Because the casts take ages to pop out

So stygian is better

[tawny grove]

got it

[valid dagger]

yea

Good hermes would help

[tawny grove]

what hermes boons would i look for

[valid dagger]

Hourglass + well items too

[turbid needle]

auto reload

[valid dagger]

Auto Reload + bad news or hyper delivery

[lucid oar]

Hyper sprint + rush delivery or auto reload+bad news

[tawny grove]

oh and many poms on trippy id assume

[valid dagger]

ye

[lucid oar]

As many as you can stuff in

[tawny grove]

this seems like itll be fun if it works

ive tried beowulf before without mirage shot and it does a ton of damage on its own

[lucid oar]

Yeah it’s still pretty good if all you get is a few poms

Very strong high heat build

[valid dagger]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H7EOP28oyu6t8KrBEfnrN-dQc6H_ssvAyYz3C1O2JOI/edit?usp=sharing

Here is a guide if you're looking for more in-depth info

[tawny grove]

oh thank you

[zenith hinge]

Omg what is this build? Hard to see on the gif ^^

crazy damages xD

[proper furnace]

Trippy flare + mirage shot and a bunch of extra casts (stygian soul instead of infernal)

On beowulf shield

[zenith hinge]

ok thanks 🙂

[polar python]

To be clear not all Beowulf runs end like that ... only most of them 😁

[cinder gate]

Ah yes. The Weather Four-cast

[proper furnace]

Trippy flare is built different

[cinder gate]

It works better with Dem but thats only if ur able to get god luck from Chaos or Arte

the joke i mean

[proper furnace]

Ice wine is unnecesary in trippy flare

[cinder gate]

Yea especially while scintillating exists

[proper furnace]

Your cast already comes out fast comoared to trippy shot

[shell sleet]

ice wine is bad on trippy flare

[proper furnace]

^

Delay ew

[shell sleet]

30% is not worth the slower pop time

just go for mirage instead

[valid dagger]

Mirage big number

[proper furnace]

Thats just a common cast dmg from Chaos

[shell sleet]

or even scint feast

[valid dagger]

You just want Mirage and chaos +wells

And believe me you'll be lucky to just get those

[proper furnace]

High roll into black out

[valid dagger]

[unreal tree]

lel

[shell sleet]

wait can you get bad news on beo

[proper furnace]

Ye

[valid dagger]

yea

[unreal tree]

Yes