h1-builds-and-combat

[sterile fiber]

no like it wore off on the entryway leading into the Styx central area

When I took it the room before Champs fight

So the only hidden reward I saw is the Elysium boss fight

[strange lark]

Enshrouded gets used on all doors you open including the door in-between Styx and the entrance to styx

[sterile fiber]

oh ok that makes more sense

[tiny marten]

Has there not been a monthly challenge since September? Or have the messages not been pinned

[sterile fiber]

there hasn't been one

[tiny marten]

Any reason?

[sterile fiber]

Last we heard from Nyaanyaa the creator, the last 2 are still under playtesting

[shell sleet]

technically splash dash is not an abbreviation since its longer than tidal dash

[fading nymph]

splash dash just sounds nicer :3

[main marsh]

what is smair??? the zeus-aphrodite duo boon??

[fading nymph]

yes

[cunning urchin]

What @sterile fiber said, plus I've been dealing with some health issues that have been making it difficult for me to work on it. Had to work on some other things. As soon I have the time and right state of mind, I'll prepare a larger number of challenges to prevent any droughts like this again.

[turbid needle]

Does the Delta Chamber completely negate the extra ammo from the Zag Rail?

[cunning urchin]

Well, you're not getting more than infinite rounds in your mag.

[turbid needle]

Tru

[cunning urchin]

But you can think of it as infinity+12 if you like.

https://tenor.com/view/op-overpowered-metal-gear-solid-gif-5379027

[proven osprey]

it's a bigger infinity

I'll take it

[tiny marten]

Please continue to work on that and only release the next one when it’s ready. I wish you luck on those health issues.

[proven osprey]

There used to be weekly challenges (that inspired monthly challenges because we (I) wanted them back) but I can't access the website anymore. @naive tusk would you know why since you created at least some of them? https://www.hades-fansite.com/hades-weekly-challenges

[cunning urchin]

Thanks! I'll do my best! In the meantime, you can still submit runs for any previous challenges that you haven't done yet.

[tiny marten]

really! i might do that if i can get my switch capture card

[cunning urchin]

You don't need a video recording, unless you want to, of course. Screenshots will suffice.

[lucid oar]

After all, you’re only cheating yourself

(Not saying that you would cheat lol)

[cunning urchin]

Yeah. And if you do that, I don't really mind either so long as you're having fun!

[eternal quartz]

I own that website, the domain changed, here's the new one: https://tiank9.wixsite.com/hades-fansite

[valid dagger]

Oh pog

[proven osprey]

Nice, thank you!

[eternal quartz]

It's an amazing coincidence I read your message, as I usually don't look at this channel 😉

[proven osprey]

Yeah tbh I'm surprised too lmao

[cunning urchin]

It's a Christmas miracle!

Delayed because of Impending Doom.

[unreal tree]

lmao

[tiny marten]

Of the ending I presume

Alright I might do that

which one should I do first?

[naive tusk]

Thank you for that, it was still early in the morning for me so I couldn't respond quicker

@proven osprey Thanks for the memory lane

[unreal tree]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/588081795107520512.gif?size=96

[naive tusk]

Hm... not sure if this idea has been proposed before but I could throw it out there for those wanting something thrilling:

No, thank you!

• Must always purge every boon at the Pool of Purging if you bump into one in a room
• Must not end with core boons at all (no attack, special, dash, cast, call boons)
• Passive boons are ok but you can't have more than 4 of them (and they have to be from different deities)
• Can't buy stuff from Charon (neither the shop nor the wells)
• If you find Sisyphus, Eurydice and/or Patroclus, pick the gift that favors you the least in your run (but do try to avoid them if possible)
• Keepsake has to be Old Spiked Collar (because Zagreus just can't say no to him ❤️ )
• Heat has to be at least 8

(Optional)

• For added challenge: The least mirror upgrades = the better (sorry Nyx)
• The more heat = the more thrill!

I don't know if you can even skip their gifts, I always accept them lol
In case you can't deny them, pick the one that favors you the least

[valid dagger]

Boonless Mirrorless

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/919869126850269184/C570F83B-C3F5-4C22-99F1-6AE711667189.gif

[severe vigil]

The masochistic build

[proven osprey]

a challenge made for hestia

[naive tusk]

There, I think I did the last edits there...

Enjoy! (?)

[proven osprey]

should be workable at 32

probably 40

[severe vigil]

I just beat the game for the first time with the shield last night

feels gud

[sterile fiber]

I used to extensively run what I call Parchmentwork Purgatory: AP2, RI1, MM, UC. Must take all Chaos gates and hammers when offered

[severe vigil]

maybe I can find my build and you guys could help me with some improvements the next time I run it

i remember taking a screenshot

btw, where do I find my hades in game screenshots

i took one with f11

i can't find the folder

[sterile fiber]

On steam? It's in a really weird place, i had to google how to find it

[severe vigil]

oh.

let me google some things then real quick

[proven osprey]

they appear on steam so you can right click and access it

but the default path is cursed yes

[severe vigil]

me smort

me have idea

I spent 2 diamonds on the record room thingy

[severe vigil]

i can go there

[naive tusk]

Oh yeah, pinning it for easier access 📌

[severe vigil]

do I have embed perms?

[sterile fiber]

nobody has, you need to upload elsewhere and paste the link

But if it's a success record it can go into victory boasting

[severe vigil]

it's in there

I posted it

[sterile fiber]

Base shield yeah? Decent for this stage

[unreal tree]

*zag shield

[sterile fiber]

if you get Ares cast early, use Artemis keepsake and get a boon that unlocks Ares/Artemis duo, it makes your casts more accurate

[severe vigil]

thanks for the tip

[sterile fiber]

if you can spare a key, empty out the mirror and swap the Olympian Favor darkness into Dark Foresight (its reverse)

Which gives a higher chance for room rewards to be boons/heart/gold

[severe vigil]

If I empty the mirror

do I have to upgrade everything from the beggining?

[proper furnace]

you get the darkness back

[sterile fiber]

^

[severe vigil]

I see

I just need to know what to upgrade then

what should be a priority list

triple death defiance

greater dash

shadow presence?

[sterile fiber]

everything the same except OF -> DF

[severe vigil]

alright

[sterile fiber]

Swap the last one to green too

Fated Authority -> Fated Persuation

[severe vigil]

also

is there some sort of requirement for me to be able to gift meg nectar?

i have given her 5

already

i want her companion

i can't always gift her in the lounge after runs

[sterile fiber]

she has a chance of showing up at the house if you beat her

yeah it's a few layers of RNG

[shell sleet]

im p sure that you cant progress to the next room if you dont talk to the sisy/eury/patty

like the doors simply wont open up

[valid dagger]

They meant deny the room I think

Unless it's 1 exit and you're forced to ig

[sterile fiber]

Once you get good enough, you can swap the 3rd death defy into stuff like another Persuation charge

[severe vigil]

I'm about 30 hours-ish in

It took me 50 runs

I have around 10 spare keys atm

I'll see

[naive tusk]

Alrighty, thanks for the confirmation! In that case I will edit it with "pick the gift that favors you the least"

(Of course, do try to avoid it if you can)

[sterile fiber]

If your mirror is fully opened and you have all weapons, keys don't really have a use anymore

Try to keep 15 on you for the broker deal on titan blood tho

[severe vigil]

I feel like there is a very split decision for me with dark regen vs cthonic vitality

which is better to take and when

[valid dagger]

Chthonic Vitality is better overall

It's more consistent

[sterile fiber]

Dark Regen is very nerfed if bosses drop bounties

[valid dagger]

It's also nerfed if you have Dark Foresight (which you should) because you wont see meta doors as often

The +3 from CV can add up if your play is clean

Could heal you to full over the course of a biome

But either way it's still superior to Dark Regen imo

[severe vigil]

I try to play to not get damaged too much

I usually go all out dmg builds

I don't have that much patience

do i max out olympian favor?

[valid dagger]

Don't

Max out the other side

[severe vigil]

how much chance

[valid dagger]

Dark Foresight is much stronger

More boons/ poms/ gold/ centaur hearts

It'll help you get clears more consistently and also target certain builds more efficiently

[severe vigil]

i have 2.9k darkness left

is it enough to fully upgrade the last 2 upgrades on the mirror?

and do I take fathed authority and god's legacy?

[valid dagger]

It might be enough for the second to last I dont really remember because its been a while but it's not enough for the last one, that one takes a bit

[valid dagger]

Fated Persuasion and God's Pride usually

Authority for Boonless/ meme runs

Legacy if you know what you're doing

[severe vigil]

I fit in neither cathegory lol

i just beat the game for the first time last night

[valid dagger]

Exactly

[severe vigil]

I bought it a week ago

[valid dagger]

So Persuasion + Pride is the way to go

[severe vigil]

aren't duo boons op though?

[sterile fiber]

If you're going into speedruns, put some darkness aside for Fiery Presence (first green) and High Confidence (opposite of Thick Skin)

[severe vigil]

I've seen some good combos

[valid dagger]

Some are very good

But again, if you have nothing in mind in terms of builds and such then no

[severe vigil]

I want to clear the game with all weapons first

[valid dagger]

Duo Boons arent straight up op

[sterile fiber]

which is why Pride vs Legacy is up to the player

[severe vigil]

I go for specific builds usually, I want the gods that show up to be as I want

[sterile fiber]

if your run can't make it without a duo, or needs more than one, Legacy

[valid dagger]

Yea but not all builds need Duos

[severe vigil]

I got Athena legendary and it won me the Hades fight basically

[sterile fiber]

some builds don't have to have a duo, so Pride

[valid dagger]

Epic boons are really nice, especially ones from Hermes

[sterile fiber]

Doom too

[severe vigil]

so what you're both saying is, it's up to personal prefference

[sterile fiber]

Yeah

[valid dagger]

And sometimes a core boon can benefit a lot from rarity

[sterile fiber]

I sometimes get like 3 duos on pride

[valid dagger]

Yea I guess it is, when in doubt go Pride

[severe vigil]

my cast was epic I think in the won escape

I got quick cast from hermes

with the ares

chef's kiss

[sterile fiber]

It's also like, if you don't have Fated Persuation maxed, maybe Legacy is better since you have less rerolls

[severe vigil]

what's the max on both

on fathed persuasion and authority

i know one is 4 and one is 9 i believe?

which one is which

[valid dagger]

Persuasion is 4

Authority is 8 I think

[sterile fiber]

^

[severe vigil]

and how does it work

how do the 2 work

one alters rooms and one alters rewards?

[valid dagger]

Persuasion allows you to reroll boons, if you get offered 3 that you dont like you can roll it

[sterile fiber]

Persuation: reroll boon and pom choices
Authority: reroll room reward

[valid dagger]

You can also reroll Purging wells and poms and wells of charon

[sterile fiber]

Persuation cost goes 1-2-3, Authority cost always 1

[severe vigil]

since I want specific builds, I might go for this

[valid dagger]

It is more consistent yes

[sterile fiber]

Yeah Authority is pretty niche

unless you Really know what you're doing

or get stuck with it in rando

[severe vigil]

lol

which do I max first though

the rerolls

or the boon chance

[sterile fiber]

Max rerolls last

[severe vigil]

got it boss

so I just put one point in it and max out later

?

[sterile fiber]

though you can, say leave the last few DF %s if it means another reroll

[severe vigil]

I am 34 darkness short of a reroll upgrade

let me visit the wretched broker first

I'll get darkness pretty easily next runs

btw

what is the best aspect to max first

I dont want to waste titan blood

[sterile fiber]

now that I think of it, maybe leave Pride/Legacy last instead, or get 3 rerolls, then work on pride/legacy

best aspect depends on what weapon you like

[severe vigil]

I like shield and sword equally

so I guess they're my favourites

then its the bow

the spear

and the machine gun and fists don't sit well with me

[sterile fiber]

Nemesis if you like hacking, Poseidon if you like casting

[severe vigil]

nemesis is sword?

[sterile fiber]

I have a vendetta against Chaos shield so I say base or Zeus shield, but some like Chaos

[sterile fiber]

ye

[severe vigil]

I spent one titan blood into chaos aspect

before I knew it's just one s shield

extra

and it's been heavily nerfed

...

[sterile fiber]

yeah

[severe vigil]

stupid me

[valid dagger]

Yea Chaos wants blood

It's ok nowadays

[sterile fiber]

The Chaos heat WR uses the special like, 5 times in the whole run

[severe vigil]

at first I thought

shooting a lot of shields is very cool

and then I tried it

it's like a bag of lays

2 thirds empty

[sterile fiber]

me too
and then realized they take 5 years to tour the world and come back

[valid dagger]

Tickling multiple enemies around the room

[severe vigil]

arti+ares is so good though

[sterile fiber]

Yes

[severe vigil]

I love their boon combos

I had a memory lag multiple times though

i thought I gifted ares

when in reality

i got the orpheus keepsake

because they look similar

💀

[sterile fiber]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867888481324761108/888826742280691722/hades_weapons.png

[severe vigil]

so now I have to put some runs into maxing ares

[sterile fiber]

literally my old aspect tier list

some things have changed

[severe vigil]

chaos doing a little bit of trolling with his aspect is literally greek mythology cannon

XD

I don't think it was a mistake

[sterile fiber]

the only good thing about chaos shield is they will give you random comments in your run

[verbal fjord]

I need some advice on efficiently beating theseus and minos, was hoping someone could give me a build

[severe vigil]

shield is usually good if you don't know how to manage the fight

stand behind a pillar when you see the target on your character because theseus is aiming his spear

defeat the bull first

[verbal fjord]

i always aim at the bull first

[severe vigil]

you can block most of his attacks except for his big double circle swing

at around half hp the bull becomes impervious for a couple of seconds

watch out because he's either going tokyo drifting or he's doing his 3 attack combo

if he's tokyo drifting try to lead him into a pillar

[verbal fjord]

any boons and daedalus upgrades i should watch for?

[severe vigil]

If I'm not mistaken the bull will wait for theseus to shoot his spear so you have a time window where you can attack the bull

just put a pillar between you and theseus

his spear hits for 20 on the way in and out

[verbal fjord]

yeah, the spear is stupid cus I'm so focused on the bull that I get sniped

[severe vigil]

I guess it helped me to keep a mental note of saying "pillar pillar pillar" out loud

at all times

at some point it will become force of habit

oh ye

i posted my shield win

on #h1-victory-boasting

maybe it helps you

[verbal fjord]

what boons should I go for? (sadly I don't have any aspect upgrades cus I used it on other weapons

[severe vigil]

the base aspect is fine for the shield

the important thing about the shield is the block

[verbal fjord]

poet, what god/boons do I go for?

[proper furnace]

Charged shot hammer is great for dmg

Tho it makes you stay in place instead of the bullrush

[shell sleet]

and also dark foresight forces you to take the blue door with the least useful in run benefit

[severe vigil]

I usually start with Athena keepsake

for the divine dash or attack

[shell sleet]

like +5health<20gold<randompom<reroll

[severe vigil]

I got lucky with the athena attack because my charged hit was literally a machine gun that deflects

[shell sleet]

though sometimes randompom>reroll on cast build

[severe vigil]

the two hammer upgrades synergised so well

[verbal fjord]

Divine Strike?

[severe vigil]

charged shot+sudden rush is op

for hammer

[severe vigil]

yes

i also got divine dash

I got the dash first and the strike later at a room or shop I think

I know it's hard to exactly copy builds bc of rng

I take skelly tooth before I enter Elysium

because I'm a noob

I started playing last week

so I have 4 death defiances

[verbal fjord]

I got Athena and Ares apparently

[severe vigil]

pog

I took ares cast

with flurry cast from hermes

[proper furnace]

If you take ares attack and athena special you can get merciful end, paired with divine dash shoud be great

[severe vigil]

try to get brilliant reposte so you can get athena legendary

the one hit replenishing shield is op

it mitigated a bunch of heavy hits in the hades boss fight

[strange lark]

boonless mirrorless no shackle

[valid dagger]

can my passive boon be a lv10 Aphro attack

[strange lark]

just get epic hyper delivery

[junior heart]

Hey, what's a fun Dionysus build?

[valid dagger]

Low Tolerance Chiron

[proper furnace]

Or low tol Eris

[shell sleet]

eris just makes everything good

[proper furnace]

global dmg too good it seems

[severe vigil]

I beat the game

again

2nd time of the day

PROGRESS

[cunning urchin]

Yes, victory screenshot.

[verbal fjord]

ok, im gonna try this again, but the darkness thing is now on Exagryph, what boons should I use?

[cunning urchin]

Have you unlocked aspects for it?

[verbal fjord]

I got Eris

[cunning urchin]

Lightning Strike, Tidal Dash, and Static Discharge.

And any decent % Special that's not Tempest Flourish.

[verbal fjord]

wait a second, theres something new

Demeter?

[cunning urchin]

Ah. Take her Special, I suppose.

[verbal fjord]

shoot, i dont have her special

I got attack, cast, and dash

I went with dash

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, seems fine. She has a very good Duo Boon with Lord Zeus if you get Static Discharge from him, which you want anyway after you have Lightning Strike.

[verbal fjord]

a pretty good build i had with exagryph, Lightning Strike and Artemis' Support shots

or whatever the boon is that shoots more behind you

[cunning urchin]

Support Fire.

Try to get Lightning Strike + Static Discharge from Lord Zeus and Killing Freeze from Lady Demeter.

And also their Duo Boon.

Put poms on Static Discharge when you have it.

[potent pier]

I need a reccomendation between Divine Strike + DR or Deadly Strike + DR

on Beowulf

[last dirge]

What cast

[lucid oar]

deadly strike

[last dirge]

Deadly is prob better yeah if you have phalanx flare

[potent pier]

not from one fo the 2 gods (eg. trippy flare/crush flare)

[last dirge]

Oh. Hmm

[lucid oar]

deadly strike unlocks mirage

[last dirge]

Yeah

DR will require divine dash ig

[potent pier]

no mirage use, personal rule

[strange lark]

why

[lucid oar]

not a prereq anymnore

[last dirge]

You need a way to proc the reflect in time for you to get dmg

I know

You need a deflect for DR

Other than special

And they arent using phalanx flare

So divine flourish and dash

[potent pier]

I usually go for dash

[last dirge]

I dont think it will work though

Beowulf charge up is slow

[cunning urchin]

Deadly Reversal is very whatever tbh on Beowulf.

[last dirge]

You'll rarely get it to line up with DR, and that doesnt guarantee a crit

Yeah

It seems good but it's not practical

Maybe your flare crits

Like with quick rush maybe

[strange lark]

just use hunters flare smh

[potent pier]

I need the weak appl or I die, I formed an addiction to it

I guess I'll try DivStrike DeadlyFlour PassFlare RandomDash ZeusAid

with DeadlyRev HeartRend Smair

maybe tidal dash for seastorm if I get very lucky

[strange lark]

and then mirage shot

wait you cant get seastorm with tidal dash

[potent pier]

wait nvm

[potent pier]

ye just noticed

[hard trench]

what are some good boons to use with trippy flare Beo?

[valid dagger]

Mirage

[worn solar]

extra cast stones from artemis legendary or chaos or extra cast damage from mirage shot, rush delivery, and also chaos

auto reload and bad news are also good hermes options

[hard trench]

got it, thanks!

just got extra cast from chaos as a saw this

[worn solar]

also make sure youre using the recharging cast mirror talent incase you arent with trippy

[hard trench]

oh I never even thought of that

[valid dagger]

Infernal is way too slow

Your casts stay stuck in the ground for too much time

[worn solar]

typo moment

[valid dagger]

Where is it

[worn solar]

because trippy lingers its much better to use other casts with infernal soul since you can keep recollecting casts quickly instead of having no dps for 10 seconds after each volley

[worn solar]

no i did a typo and got

[valid dagger]

Oh lol

[bronze marten]

Unbased

[bright vine]

Long knuckle is good hey? Base knuckes, flying cutter and kinetic launcher are my other options (start of the game)

Imma just take long knuckle no one online haha

[valid dagger]

Kinetic is very strong on Demeter fists

[bright vine]

Would you guys pom zeuses aid or hunter dash?

Hmm well i'm so far happy with the extra range but ill keep it in mind

[valid dagger]

Yea Long Knuckle is nice and safe

Definitely not a bad option

Just that Kinetic is very comfortable and bursty

[valid dagger]

Really depends on the build, you can judge it better probably

[bright vine]

Im not experienced enough to know what scales well with poms so far i just have artemis and zeus with long fists

[cunning urchin]

Zeus' Aid if you're using Malphon. Easy pick.

[bright vine]

Malphons the fists name right

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[bright vine]

Cool

[cunning urchin]

Hunter Dash pom scaling is pretty bad.

[bright vine]

Ok i only got the 2 boons so far 3 hearts at the first boss and 2 dark rooms, pretty healthy

[proven osprey]

flat damage basically

[bright vine]

Is there a good duo boon with athena (artemis/zeus?)

Shes the only god i can force

[proven osprey]

Deadly reversal for athena/arty, only good with divine dash though

and hard requirements

(attack/special from these 2)

[bright vine]

Sooo...nah

Better to look for poseidon dash and idk about the 4th

[proven osprey]

Artemis Zeus is lightning rod but I don't think you want that, even though it can be ok

[bright vine]

Ill grab it if it comes up

[proven osprey]

I'd go aphrodite

for smoldering air

[bright vine]

Zues aphro

[proven osprey]

yeah

[bright vine]

Might run shattered shackle for hydra since i have no special or attack boons yet just call and dash attack damage( or does dash attack count as an attack boon?)

[proven osprey]

Nah boons better

[unreal tree]

Shackle fists is terrible

[proven osprey]

% is quite bad for malphon

except for Demeter aspect on special

but you won't go shackle for that

[bright vine]

I almost permanently run the spiked collad its comfortable

[proven osprey]

[bright vine]

Lucky tooth for hades though

[unreal tree]

That makes you have no build

So no damage means longer fights

So more chances to die

[bright vine]

Have no build why?

[unreal tree]

You're not forcing a god keepsake

[bright vine]

Oh yeah im about to give nectar to all the gods, i just keep 1 or 2 spare for sysyphis incase i run into him trying to get his companion

[unreal tree]

Give your spare ones to meg

Her summon is way better

[bright vine]

After you beat her or does she showup in the house?

And how many do i have to give someone to start their quest line?

[unreal tree]

Dont remember

I think every character needs like 3 ambrosia eventually to bond

So its about 5-6 nectar each

[bright vine]

5 or 6 nectar then 3 ambrosia?

[unreal tree]

2-3

Varies

[bright vine]

Are any of you on console?

Wondering if i should keep A (xbox) as dash mashing between that and x gets tiring idk if theres better options

[cunning urchin]

I use default controls unless it's Beowulf or Hera or any Rail aspect. For those, I set Cast to LB/L1 (Beowulf and Hera) or Reload to LB/L1 (Rail).

[bright vine]

Theres a reload button 👀

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

It's RS/R3 by default.

[bright vine]

Lol i dont use it, empty my clip between enemy spawn or rooms usually

[cunning urchin]

Well, you'd want to use it for Hestia at the very least.

[bright vine]

Is hestia the first shot damage after reload? Thats the one im upgrading

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

Anyway, it just gets tiring because you don't have much practice yet. It's kinda like trying to play the piano without piano practice, your fingers get tired very quickly.

Take some breaks if you need to.

[bright vine]

Will do, btw just got to eurydice and only have 2 boons so the rarity upgrade is tempting for my call but upgraded rarity of the next boons would be nice too 🤔

[unreal tree]

What boons do you have

[bright vine]

Zeus call artemis dash attack damage rare and common respectively

[unreal tree]

Do refreshing nectar

Both of those scale poorly off of rarity

[bright vine]

Epic zeus's sounds good but yeah nectar is a good idea

[unreal tree]

Its 5 more damage

Its literally nothing

And hunter dash only gains 10% from rarity

[bright vine]

Same as poms fair enough

If fist damage is low basicly is zeus's attack chain lightning a good call?

I can take athena or zeus

Could try for athenas dash or look for poseidon

Athena offered attack deflect or cast deflect

‐------
Umm dash strike pieces enemis and 900% damage to armor or dash strike +60% damage and added to attack sequence?

[valid dagger]

Breaching Cross is the strongest fists hammer

[bright vine]

Hell yeah

Brooo my run was so over in the 3rd area i was out of revives but got the special door for the loner dude who restores all revives cluuuutch

[shell sleet]

patty clutch

[potent pier]

wait he restores all DDs?

[fading nymph]

Patty good

[valid dagger]

Yea his first item restores dds

[potent pier]

I used DDs over SD only twice in 80 runs, guess that's why I didn't know

[bright vine]

Do you guys use special on fists? It seems useless with dash attack normal attack spam

[valid dagger]

Well his first item is even stronger if you run SD lol

Because it makes it heal for an extra 50%

[bright vine]

I can take epic athenas special or blinding flash that only applies to my cast

[valid dagger]

Usually in Tartarus because it’s easy to one shot witches and brimstones with a dash upper

And you use it for Merciful End builds when you don’t have a dash

[potent pier]

well yes but I only really need it for the final boss and for that I need to get sack on 2nd and also to have all the main pieces for a build (aka I have all the legends/duos I need)

[bright vine]

Ill be mad if i lose to mino and stuff with 3 revives first long game on fists (2nd in total) cuz i didnt like them

[proven osprey]

As Mike said, to one shot small enemies in tartarus (thanks to fiery presence)

[bright vine]

Yeah sweet lost 1 revive to the duo bosses

Im dealing eith cerberus, (with epic swift strike 30% attack speed) is support fire or preassure point more worth it, i attack very fast so the homing arrow sounds appealijg but everyone says preassure points is great

[proven osprey]

support fire is amazing on malphon

late answer hope you took it

[bright vine]

Yeah i was waiting thx

[potent pier]

of you want to make the 100% correct choice juat calculate your dps with both and compare it

[bright vine]

First win with fists gg

[potent pier]

nvm

[bright vine]

Haha, its hard to calculate those 2 skills compared to others since one was 3% crit chance and the other an arrow everytime i hit someone, the arrow sounded better but wanted to make sure

[proven osprey]

Pressure points is nice because it's always global damage

however support fire is way stronger on malphon and pressure points needs hunter's mark to really shine

crits on malphon ain't the best either so

[bright vine]

I'm on a 3 clear streak with 4 total clears :D one with sword, guns now fists

Oh yeah gotta go to the win server

[bright vine]

Athena's call sucks right?

Got the epic version but idk if i even want to take it other options blow too

Achilles spear, divine flourish and holy shield

[shell sleet]

Athena call is good

[bright vine]

Really?...

[cunning urchin]

It's great. I think it's a bit overrated, but it's still really good.

[bright vine]

No damage and has to be timed and reacted to for 1.8 seconds of invincibility

Max gauge is 12 seconds (nearly)

[cunning urchin]

Don't need to time anything tbh, just activate and play mindless for the duration.

[bright vine]

Spam it whenever its available 🤔

[cunning urchin]

For example, yeah.

[bright vine]

Guess i gotta try it anyway other options are so much worse

[cunning urchin]

Or abuse the long invincibility window of her Greater Call.

[bright vine]

I'd like the greater call for thesius and mino but never get greater call until mini is dead then thesius alone is easy

[cunning urchin]

All Calls give i-frames on activation, so if you use it only on reaction like that, it's just a worse version of Calls that do damage.

[bright vine]

Uhh i have artemis and athena is the ice god worth taking or should i deny the boon

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, if you don't need a Call for the fight, then it doesn't really matter tbh. But if you spike up the Heat, that Call can help a whole lot with not-dying.

[bright vine]

(First area still so could hunt for cast boons)

[shell sleet]

aspect?

[bright vine]

Achilles

[cunning urchin]

You can go for Crystal Clarity.

[shell sleet]

yeah meme beam can be fun

[bright vine]

I like meme beam

Really strong just with the one that makes it chill

[cunning urchin]

Very powerful even, just slow to get all the pieces.

[shell sleet]

not really

it's pretty bad without the duo

[bright vine]

And some people said the regen mirror is better for it if you pom the time its active but tbh i like dropping 3 of them and picking up the crystals for 3 more

[cunning urchin]

I think having the Duo Boon was implied.

[bright vine]

Makes the cerberus area easy hiding behind walls to avoid poison and letting the beams do the work

I i run it without the duo haplily with cast and cast chill, but i'm only on 1 heat so

[valid dagger]

It’s a bit slow

[bright vine]

Pom the cast once then the duration

Yeah slow doesnt bother me thoigh no time limit until higher heat

Safe is gud

[shell sleet]

the wording was "just with chill boon", if having duo was implied then my bad i misunderstood

[bright vine]

Yes crystal beam first try

Hmm hermes quick recovery or side hustle (about to vs first boss so still early)

Probably gives 3-500 gold over the course huh? With cerberus's area you eould gain a ton

[shell sleet]

quick recovery is pretty garbage

[valid dagger]

Whats your third

[bright vine]

I used to think it was alright especially for a newer player that gets hit more often, greater haste is the 3rd never take it without the damage buff for extra speed from hermes

Wow english sorry been drinkin :P

Athena, bronze skin epic 10% or proud being, 10% damage reduction doesnt seem like much

[shell sleet]

proud bearing is very good

[bright vine]

Sold

[ruby smelt]

Out of curiousity

Are 50 heat trackpad runs a thing?

That would be hilarious to watch

[valid dagger]

I don't think they are lol

[ruby smelt]

Someone needs to do that

[valid dagger]

You can cheese it

[ruby smelt]

How?

[valid dagger]

Any Rail with Aim at Cursor off

[ruby smelt]

Oh I see

[valid dagger]

Probably not Lucifer tho

[cunning urchin]

Well, there's not a lot of players who play on trackpad + not a lot of players who do 50 Heat. So no, that hasn't happened yet to my knowledge.

[cunning urchin]

Why not? Do people try to aim their Special on Lucifer on controller? I just mash the button; it'll definitely hit something, that's good enough for me.

[bright vine]

Whate's the order you guys would add heat? I do the 9 minute time limit per zone for 1 heat but now i have 2 heat runs?

Which challenges?

sorry for the new years questions your probably all busy just wondering

[strange lark]

extreme measures 1 is pretty easy

[long escarp]

TD3 is imo the most free 6 heat you’ll ever get in your life

[shell sleet]

i think you still have to manually aim the special on PC even with aim at cursor off

[long escarp]

Take some practice to get used to

[shell sleet]

i kniw thats true for the other rails

and i assume its true for luci as well

[long escarp]

But once you’re adjusted, TD3 is so free

[cunning urchin]

There's a prophecy for clearing a run with each of the pacts. I suggest focusing on that first.

You'll get to try out all of the pacts that way and get a lot of resources in the process.

[fading nymph]

I’m in this image and I don’t like it

[long escarp]

Yep same

[opaque sky]

TD3 is good

[long escarp]

TD3 is free heat

[opaque sky]

the only problem is

once you start TD3 you start breaking records

in time

then you start timing yourself

then you chase the high of breaking your record

I can no longer play without the temptation of speedrunning

“speedrunning”

[long escarp]

Just run EM4 for your casual runs. Then you won’t be able to “speedrun” because you’ll be too slow

[worn solar]

just run em4 hl5 hs fo2. then youll just be worried about not dying

[bright vine]

Is artemis's call good? The single target thing seems handy for bosses but yeah

[sterile fiber]

decent damage, good for stacking with Second Wind and Billowing Strength, or procing Hunter's Mark, or getting those i-frames

[bright vine]

Poming artemis's aid or lightning strike for hestia huns

[shell sleet]

lightning strike hestia

[bright vine]

The empowerd shot after reload is hestia right i just unlocked it so

But always got lightning for normal guns

[sterile fiber]

yeah Hestia is the one you want a few levels on, then get Aphrodite Attack (high rarity Athena/Demeter works too)

[bright vine]

Oh damn i got a duo room with artemis zeus (have both already) or sysyphis, gotta take the boons

[sterile fiber]

the Hestia rhythm is you reload usually reload after the first shot, so you keep shooting the empowered one only

but on L1, Lightning Strike and playing it like a regular rail is prob your best bet

[bright vine]

Really i thought you'd make up that damage by shooting and dash attack instead of the time on reloading

[sterile fiber]

Get Static Discharge and pom that

Yeah you shoot the first bullet and quickly press reload, then cancel the reload animation with a dash or special. I think.

@/hestia pros where you at

[bright vine]

Storm lightning static discharge electric shot goood picks

[sterile fiber]

Stat discharge

[bright vine]

Wow great run so far
Lightning strike rare
Epic hunters dash
Artemis's aid
Static discharge
And i can take preasure points or hunters mark, always take hunters here

[cunning urchin]

You should take it with the intention to at least put a couple poms on it. If you don't want do that because you have important boons you want to pom instead, then take something else.

Lv.1 Artemis' Aid is pretty weak.

Lv.3 is starting to get pretty chunky.

[bright vine]

Pom it with a 2 level at cerberus if it lets me

And actuslly is hunters mark worth taking when my only critical damage is my call st the moment, i would need that and preassure to work righg

[cunning urchin]

What's the third offer?

Ideally you want Deadly Flourish.

[bright vine]

True shot

[cunning urchin]

Ah.

Pressure Points then, yeah.

[bright vine]

Pom artemis's aid or static discharge, i'd use discharge alot more

Calls just good for bosses 🤔

Plus artemis's seems like a good one to charge to full meter since it's 5 arrows if used in singles and 10 arrows with full meter

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, her lesser calls kinda suck lol.

Chunky burst damage on bosses is really good, though.

[bright vine]

Hmm toughy

[cunning urchin]

What level is your Static Discharge?

[bright vine]

1

[cunning urchin]

Pom that.

[fading nymph]

Jolted poms good

[bright vine]

Yoooooo wtf? First boss all 3 sisters are here?

[cunning urchin]

Extreme Measures 1, yep.

[bright vine]

Fml

[cunning urchin]

What's tough is you have a kinda jank build tbh lol. Lightning Strike on Hestia is pretty blerg.

[bright vine]

I dont reload so

Works fine for me

[cunning urchin]

That's even more blerg. That's just base rail at that point.

[bright vine]

With a bit of extra damage in the clip yeah

[sterile fiber]

is your Hestia at L1

[bright vine]

2

[cunning urchin]

You don't get any extra damage if you don't manually reload.

You'd be waaaay better off with Eris.

[bright vine]

Oh wut

[cunning urchin]

Even at level 1.

[bright vine]

Well... thats sad

[cunning urchin]

So if you like to play like that without reloads, get Eris. You'll like it a lot.

[sterile fiber]

yeah Hestia is very reload heavy

[cunning urchin]

Hestia is more of a sniper rifle, kind of.

But if Hestia is Lv.2 now, it doesn't really matter too much that you don't manually reload because it barely does anything yet anyway, so you're actually better off with Lightning Strike and playing that way.

But make sure you purge Hunter Dash after the Furies. It does practically nothing for you since the base damage of your Attack is so low anyway.

[bright vine]

Oh i didnt have to fight the sisters they just used soke abilities on the side thats easy

[cunning urchin]

I'd rather suggest you purge that if you can... and if you could get rid of it, take the Conch Shell into Asphodel and get Tidal Dash from Poseidon.

Yeah, they're just there to assist.

[sterile fiber]

Yeah you fight the front one only

[cunning urchin]

And the main Fury that you fight is faster and has more HP.

[sterile fiber]

The other 1/2 have HP???

[cunning urchin]

No.

The Fury you fight has more HP than without EM.

[sterile fiber]

ah

[bright vine]

I dont have the ability to force poseidon yet havent seen him for a while now that i want to nectar him just my luck

[sterile fiber]

Athena then

Or Aphrodite if you want an offensive dash

[bright vine]

Ill do athena the dash is nice

I always go for athena or poseidon

My hunter is epic so its nesrly double damage on dash attack which hits twice right so maybe 3x that of a normal shot, the numbers dont sound too bad but its 160 bucks to sell so

I got sysyphid and the lava chick thats weird

Then fat fingered the rarity one haha oops

[sterile fiber]

You can quit out and reset that room

[bright vine]

If i select the wrong one? How do i reset it surely wuit in the menu ends my run right

[sterile fiber]

Bring up the menu and quit

[cunning urchin]

It has like no synergy with a Lv.2 Hestia. Double of nothing is still nothing.

Rail Dash-Strikes don't hit twice. It's just one hit.

And it has no effect on your Lightning if you're thinking that.

[sterile fiber]

the Give Up option is the one that resets the run

[bright vine]

Knew it didnt effect the lightning wouldnt make sense as a different ability only applied on a hit and not affected by that hit

For a hammer (first one 3rd area) i have targeting system explosive fire and flurry fire

Dont really use the normal special much so ecplosive and flurry are the more tempting options

[cunning urchin]

Targeting System and try to use your Special more. Good practice.

Even if you only use it occasionally on bosses to apply the debuff, it'll do more than the other two hammers.

[bright vine]

Well took explosive haha but got poseidon so my builds coming around

Wow thats rude tempest flourish, flood shot and hydraulic might, i have to take the cast

[sterile fiber]

Special good dmg tho

[bright vine]

True i guess

[cunning urchin]

I wouldn't take Tempest Flourish. Flood Shot is nice to unlock Sea Storm for when you get Tidal dash.

[long escarp]

On Hestia?

[cunning urchin]

Nah, it's basically base rail. It's level 2.

[long escarp]

Oh

[cunning urchin]

I guess Tempest Flourish does the same thing anyway if you barely use your Special. Just the knockback on Rail Special is actually kind of annoying because it disperses enemy crowds when you want them bunched up instead.

[long escarp]

I agree

[bright vine]

I have flourish and got another hammer with targering system so i'll be using it more

Hermes second wind or hyoer sprint (cerberus area) hyper could help avoid hades attacks but if i use lesser calls i have 36% dodge change and speed

[cunning urchin]

Hyper Sprint.

Hyper Sprint also gives you Sturdy.

That's 30% damage reduction and your attacks can't be interrupted.

[bright vine]

Phalanx shot
Proud bearing
Blinding flash

[cunning urchin]

What boon do you have from her? Divine Dash?

I guess Phalanx Shot is alright.

[bright vine]

I have the dash yeh

[long escarp]

Phalanx Shot and Proud Bearing are both great

Well proud bearing depends on your call a bit

[cunning urchin]

It's Artemis' Aid.

[long escarp]

Oh

Never mind

Proud Bearing is good when you can use your call to help clear normal rooms

Especially Styx

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, it's a good boon, just not really for Artemis' Aid.

Still doesn't hurt, but Phalanx Shot will help more with Deflects.

And fills the last core slot.

[long escarp]

Agreed

I’m a big phalanx shot fan

Especially with rarity

[cunning urchin]

Crush Shot better, though.

[shell sleet]

you would say that

[long escarp]

It’s definitely not but ok

Crush Shot is only better for Hera

[cunning urchin]

It's definitely better. Crush Shot unlocks the best boon in the game.

[shell sleet]

blown kiss is the best boon in the game?

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[verbal fjord]

What could I do with a cast build...? Like, what specific boons could I use to make the ares cast good?

[valid dagger]

You should try to get Artemis in your pool and get one of her prerequisites for Hunting Blades

Ares T2s are nice

Then you can scale your Blade rifts through other sources like Global Damage from Hermes, Well items, Achilles’ Spear Buff, Poseidon’s Sword passive buff etc

You can also go for Mirage shot by having Poseidon in your pool

[bright vine]

Which bow aspect is better?

[proper furnace]

Yes
They all work pretty well

[long escarp]

Rama

[bright vine]

Domt have the hidden

Think ill go chiron i dont like using bow anyway but i like having my casts

[valid dagger]

Chiron is very good

For wins

[proper furnace]

Chiron comfy

[bright vine]

Idk about lvl 1 tho

[valid dagger]

Lv1 only for Hangover builds

[proper furnace]

Oh yeah thats gonna be rough lol

[valid dagger]

I wouldnt recommend it tho

[bright vine]

Usually get zeus special to aoe skull or chsriot rooms with it

But lvl 1 zeus shield is better than normal shield right

[proper furnace]

Yeah

Zeus^2 is fun

[bright vine]

Hmm chaos boon to start my shield run 36 hp, 16% rare or better boon chance and dash steike 45% damage

Torn on rarity or dash strike

What would you guys take?

[long escarp]

What do you mean by that? Hera makes your casts faster and gives them more range

[bright vine]

I use the ice beam alot does it auto aim them on impact or something?

[long escarp]

Oh no

[proper furnace]

Oh crystal + hera is awful yeah

[long escarp]

Yeah crystal beam with Hera makes me cry

It’s truly horrible

But then again, so is Crystal beam with nearly anything beside Achilles

[fallen spoke]

Crystal beam can shred with enugh boons

[long escarp]

Yes

But it needs so much

And even then it’s just a worse hunting blades

[fallen spoke]

Indeed

[long escarp]

Especially with Hera, just take Crush Shot and shred

[bright vine]

Zeus shield deadly strike artemis aid or epic preassure poins

Using poseidon dash and athena cast so far

[long escarp]

I’d prioritize getting Zeus special as soon as possible

It’s the best option by far and getting good damage from special is what makes Zeus shield so good

I’d take either the strike or the PP

[bright vine]

Ill keep that in mind

[long escarp]

Even at incredibly high heat, many people reset for Thunder Flourish

It makes a world of difference, even at common with no jolted

And then with jolted it’s actually insane

[bright vine]

Hammer empowered flight or dadhing wollop, if i aim the special well its almost constant 80% damage buff but dash strike damage and aoe sounds sweet too

[long escarp]

What’s the 3rd option

Dashing wallop is definitely the better of those two, empowered flight is bad

But dashing wallop is still mid

[proper furnace]

i remember when i thought empowered was global lmao

me trying to line Beo casts into that

[long escarp]

Lmao

[proper furnace]

quite funny when i finally readed is just atk

[bright vine]

Explosive return which is completely useless on zeus shielf

[proper furnace]

explosive is one of best zeus hammers

[long escarp]

Literally the best one.

[bright vine]

Its based on catching the special which you almost never do with zeus wdym?

[proper furnace]

recalling the shield constantly like a yo yo works pretty well for that

[long escarp]

Explosive Return is so good that when Baj played modded high heat he said it was much much easier because guaranteed ER

[proper furnace]

also empowered works like that too

[long escarp]

Empowered is bad

[proper furnace]

oh dw i know

[long escarp]

But yeah explosive return is incredibly good

[bright vine]

Well lolbi took wallop which is less effort too having to recall the shield all the time it'll be fine

[proper furnace]

i almost never leave the zeus shield in one place cause enemies move

[long escarp]

??

You don’t have to “recall the shield all the time”

Well I guess you kinda do

But that’s just how you play the aspect anyway

You throw out the special and then call it back pretty quickly

Otherwise it does less

You also bull rush to push enemies together to all get hit by the shield

Throwing a free 50 (plus a bolt) onto that is incredibly strong

Explosive Return is so good that I prefer it over Charged Shot, my literal favorite hammer in the game and my pick for strongest

[bright vine]

Hell yeah just got +2 dashes with lvl 3 tidal dash

I like recalling the shield and moving around the enemy so i can guide the shield to keep damaging them easier than throwing it out and recalling cobstantly to keep it on them

[long escarp]

Easier maybe

Definitely way slower and less safe

[shell sleet]

@ pancake i could probably clear all aspects shield bow rail easily

but sword fists and non achilles spear bad

[long escarp]

I mean fair

But it’s fun

I had a lot of fun with 40 24

Beside a few aspects ig

Hera was painful

[shell sleet]

talos

[long escarp]

I just forced ME it wasn’t bad

Worse than Zag fists though

[proper furnace]

my first 32 try with hera died 2 chambers into elysium lol

[long escarp]

The last one I did was Nem actually

[proper furnace]

then i realized i forgot about rama

[shell sleet]

yeah ig fists can just get away with forcing ME easily

[long escarp]

Except Gil

I did Gil nearly dash only

[shell sleet]

just play gilgadash

actually good build

[long escarp]

Because it was so unsafe to attack or special at all

[shell sleet]

gil is my only fists heat clear lmao

i dont like fists but dashing is easy enough

[bright vine]

WAIT HUNTER DASH REPLACES TIDAL DASH WTFFF

[long escarp]

[bright vine]

Its just increased damage why tf

Im so mad

[long escarp]

You can’t have two dash boons

It literally said “replace”

[bright vine]

Under and less noticibly

[long escarp]

And showed the tidal dash damage compared to the Hunter dash damage

[bright vine]

Didnt see that just read it said increased dash damage i was like okay thats stupid

[long escarp]

[bright vine]

Got posiedon next room wont give me back my dash fml

[strange lark]

what did you think would happen

[bright vine]

Oncreased dash damage duh

[long escarp]

Yes because there’s only a 10% chance of a god offering an exchange at all

[long escarp]

Again, you can’t have two dash boons

[severe vigil]

Replace=take the place of

[strange lark]

artemis doesnt have chaos boons you cant just increase your dash strike damage

[bright vine]

Obviously didnt see the replace text thx for contributing man

What do caos boons have to do with that?

[severe vigil]

Btw, is deadly reversal zeus shield or merciful end zeus shield combo better. I can't see which is better

[severe vigil]

Chaos boons are a bit unique.

[long escarp]

Because chaos boons can increase your dash strike damage without taking a slot. No other god’s boons can do that

[turbid needle]

merciful end

[severe vigil]

Just like Hermes boons

You can get them regardless of the 4 gods the run gets into your rotation once you selected them

[bright vine]

Well yeah its text just doesnt soud like any other dash boon and i was moving too quickly to notice

[turbid needle]

rule of thumb ME is almost always better build

[long escarp]

They’re using Zeus shield

[bright vine]

Can you mix lightning strike with attack boons?

[long escarp]

“Hunter dash”

[severe vigil]

Do you guys think I played too much? I have 48 hours into the game in a week and a half 💀

[long escarp]

Lightning strike is an attack boon

You can only have one attack boon

[bright vine]

Ok just for rail then

[long escarp]

?

[severe vigil]

No

Only one attack boon

[bright vine]

Oh and fists mb

[long escarp]

????

[severe vigil]

You can do Zeus for a bunch of stuff

[bright vine]

Im saying lightning strike is only good on rail and fists

[long escarp]

Oh

Uh yeah kinda

[severe vigil]

Anything with fast attack really

[long escarp]

And flurry jab

[bright vine]

True

[turbid needle]

yeah ME is good on zeus shield

[long escarp]

No

[turbid needle]

??

[long escarp]

What are you talking about Toffel

[proper furnace]

how is not good lol

[turbid needle]

its actually good

[severe vigil]

I feel like I've achieved my goal. I cleared the game 6 times before school started

[valid dagger]

ME is very good on Zeus Shield

[long escarp]

I mean it’s ok. But it’s better just to get Thunder flourish, no?

[bright vine]

Ive gotten 4 zeus boons and none of them offered me thunder flourish

[severe vigil]

You can still get thunder flourish I believe

[long escarp]

Do you have rerolls?

[severe vigil]

Or nah?

[bright vine]

Nope

[turbid needle]

they asked between merciful end and deadly reversal and ME was clearly the better build

[long escarp]

Well there’s your issue

[long escarp]

Who did?

[bright vine]

I can reroll rewards after getting keys but not boons once offered

[severe vigil]

I did

[long escarp]

Oh where

[bright vine]

How do you unlock boon resets?

[proper furnace]

last mirror skill (alternate to fated authority)

[severe vigil]

I'm a noob. I only beat the game on 2 heat most atm

[bright vine]

That my next mirror upgrade keeeeen

[long escarp]

Also deadly reversal isn’t a build because all you need is divine dash and an Artemis core

[severe vigil]

The last mirror upgrade with keys

[valid dagger]

You need Athena on attack or special

[severe vigil]

You'll need 30 of them

[bright vine]

I just spent 15 keys on a limited time titan blood offer but ill have the last mirror section soon

[turbid needle]

thunder is more consistent than ME I think otherwise yea

[valid dagger]

Divine Dash is not a DR prereq

[long escarp]

Oh

Right

Cringe

[turbid needle]

😔

[severe vigil]

DR requires attack/special from Athena Arti

Divine dash is just a really good safety measure for defense I have in most of my runs tbh

[bright vine]

Btw hoe much ambrosia do you need to upgrade a companion? I have like 10 and am offered titan blood for it, only plan to upgrade 1 or 2 companions and wondering when i'll have excess ambrosia

[cunning urchin]

ME on Zeus Aspect is very good.

[severe vigil]

Oh

[unreal tree]

bruh

[long escarp]

But I don’t see why you would ever go for it over Thunder flourish

[long escarp]

I stand corrected.

[valid dagger]

More damage or something idk

[unreal tree]

baj has one thunder flourish sub 7

and 6:04 ME

[turbid needle]

ME is better for dmg yea

[severe vigil]

You need to gift one ambrosia to the person you want the companion from. But you need to have given them 5 nectar first. I advise you to get Meg's

[long escarp]

Ares attack or special?

[strange lark]

special

[turbid needle]

thunder better for heat

thats my take

[severe vigil]

And then you need 1, 2, 3 then 4 ambrosia to max it out I believe @bright vine

[bright vine]

Im going for meg and sysyphis but how much ambrosia do i need once i get it?

[long escarp]

Definitely that’s true

[unreal tree]

special

[severe vigil]

Take one at a time

It's a lot of ambrosia

[unreal tree]

special is more damage

[bright vine]

I am

[valid dagger]

Curse of Pain scaling stonks

[bright vine]

I mean actually have tons of nectar so i give it to meg and sysyphis whenever i see them but ill upgrade one companion at a time because ambrosia is harder to come by

[turbid needle]

how many weapons do have ME for speed meta actually

[severe vigil]

It's 1 ambrosia to gift meg after you give her enough nectar, and then it's increasing 1 ambrosia per companion upgrade starting from 1 ambrosia@bright vine

[valid dagger]

Yes

[shell sleet]

i like consistently seeing ch12 unarmoured witches 👍

[turbid needle]

[shell sleet]

fun game 👍

[severe vigil]

Have you cleared the game before?

[cunning urchin]

Pretty disrespectful tbh.

[long escarp]

How

I genuinely didn’t know it was good

And now I do.

[bright vine]

6 times

[severe vigil]

Once you beat Hades once, you'll get access to pact of punishment

Ok

[bright vine]

PopM

Pop?

[severe vigil]

So we have the same amount of clears

[bright vine]

Oh yeah the difficukty stuff before you start a run

[severe vigil]

I find the easiest one the change that gives you more mobs per normal room

Since it's more money

As well

[bright vine]

I do the time limit for 1 and 2 heat

Easy to clear areas in 9 minutes

[shell sleet]

[bright vine]

Plus the rime stacks so i usually have 15 mins by hades

[severe vigil]

I think once I get to 2 heat with every weapon I'll put in the time limit

[bright vine]

Im on 2 heat for 3 weapons 3 heat for rails

[warped mural]

is chaos shield still viable? what are the boons and hammers to go with?

[lucid oar]

It’s not as viable as it used to be but it can still be fun

Zeus special with all the Zeus boons (jolted double strike splitting)

And explosive return or charged shot

[quartz fractal]

Does each shield return cause an explosion

Did they nerf it or are other newer options more viable

[lucid oar]

No

They nerfed it at 1.0 release

[long escarp]

Chaos shield is very disappointing

[warped mural]

first escape w chaos’ and gotten my pb 👀

curse of pain is hella nice with it

zeus attack and his chaining boons help out

[quartz fractal]

i dont remember my build with chaos but i got my pb speedrun with that

something something sea storm

[last dirge]

I like chaos with hangover + bad influence

Then like Artemis attack and charged shot

It's some of the best dps you'll get on Chaos imo

Splitting Headache will help with ST damage. Like early phase 1 and phase 2 of Hades.

Mark is great and all but it doesnt really work in some parts of that fight

So you can point blank all your shields, get +25% crit.

Unload a few charged shots when its safe

Reapply hangover

Ig for ST damage you could go Low Tolerance instead

[cunning urchin]

ST?

[last dirge]

Single target

Boss damage

[verbal fjord]

I need boons that are useful for an ares cast build

[long escarp]

Hunting Blades
Mirage Shot

Engulfing Vortex

Vicious Cycle

Black Metal

Probably in that order

[last dirge]

Rush delivery too

Pressure points if you see it

[long escarp]

Oh right yes RD

RD is especially good for cast builds

[verbal fjord]

RD is... Hermes, I assume?

[last dirge]

Yes. Movement speed becomes global dmg

Like 60/80/100%

[verbal fjord]

That actually does sound pretty good

[last dirge]

Get hyperrush as your prereq for it. Huge cast dmg while dashing.

[long escarp]

50/75/100

[last dirge]

+100% dmg

[verbal fjord]

I'm gonna be honest, tho, I'm not a huge fan of Hermes' boons

[long escarp]

Best with hyper sprint, yeah

?????

How??

You don’t like extra dashes??

[last dirge]

Those boons are how he boosts your dps massively

[long escarp]

You don’t like 100% global damage and 30% damage reduction?

[last dirge]

While also increasing survivability a good bit with hypersprint

[verbal fjord]

Idk, maybe I just never got the right combo going

[strange lark]

Probably