h1-builds-and-combat

[polar python]

Though Aphro attack, Artemis cast, Zeus call and some duo boons helped

[spice brook]

what's a good build for gilgamesh

[valid dagger]

ZAP, Merciful End, Tidal Dash with poms/global dmg, Smoldering Air

[spice brook]

ZAP?

[valid dagger]

ZAP stands for Zeus (attack), Artemis/Aphro (Special) and Poseidon (dash)

[proven osprey]

Deadly strike is pretty good on Gilgamesh too

[last dirge]

Gilgamesh is a lot easier with like Athena attack

Then like Exposed since backstabs arent too hard with them

[last dirge]

Got a meme beam run going

Game is giving me only an epic cast, highlighted spear

And I want to use Demeter

And serrated point + hunters dash

So I'm going splitting headache

[proper furnace]

@last dirge serrrated + flurry always causes that

attack speed doesnt matter

[last dirge]

Hmm good to know

Bad interaction

[proper furnace]

flurry slash also has that problem

[last dirge]

I thought itd just get rid of spin charge frames

I never get dash strike damage from chaos on these runs

If I got enough dmg then drunken strike could work

No splitting headache on this run but it's an option

So you still have enough physical damage to be worth critting with, and hangover is supplemental and for the crit chance

I'd rather use deadly reversal

No setup. More crit. More physical damage to crit with.

[proper furnace]

does lightning strike have an internal cooldown like thunder flourish? and its the same or lower

[lucid oar]

0.15s

[proper furnace]

ty

[minor yew]

how do i go about doing a boonless run? anything i need in specific in keepsakes / other things?

[polar python]

Shackle is one approach, depending on the heat

[worn solar]

without shackle your damage is garbage

and use fated authority for rolling away from boons

[lucid oar]

Use Olympian favour

So you get fewer boons

[worn solar]

dark foresight centaur hearts tho but yeah you end up with more boons

[polar python]

And depending on the rules you can take chaos and other unsellable boons

There are several categories of boonless

[cunning urchin]

If you just want the dialogue and run clear message, the only requirement is that you have no purgeable boons at the end of the run.

For the boonless leaderboard, the rules are that you may not benefit from any boons at all in your run. Purging boons is allowed but not required. Hammers are allowed.

[minor yew]

ty! im not gonna go leaderboard bt im purging as i go just for the hell of it

[hybrid vessel]

so
are "dash-strike" and "attack" different values?

chaos has a boon that increases "dash-strike" damage, and its curse is "attack"

[hearty elbow]

Yeah they're different. Different stats, properties depending on aspect

[hybrid vessel]

but when I dash-strike (which I'm under the assumption is a different archetype of damage) it still damages me

so is it the same or not?

[hearty elbow]

Attack boons apply to dash strikes

Not visa versa

[hybrid vessel]

brilliant...

[ionic crown]

Except swift strike

[hearty elbow]

And like a quarter of the hammers lol

[sterile fiber]

Does Flurry Shot disable dash strikes

[cunning urchin]

No.

[shell sleet]

what cast is good on poseidon sword other than zoos

[worn solar]

phalanx cool ig

[valid dagger]

I would probably put Phalanx as one of the best yea

Especially if you get Lightning Phalanx

[shell sleet]

ehh i dont feel like doing phalanx since i just did lightning phalanx parting shot hera yesterday

[worn solar]

well you can turn it into budget achilles with trippy/hunting blades/meme beams

or turn it into budget nem sword with aphro attack smouldering zeus call or ME

[valid dagger]

Or just play crush shot

It’s kinda boring

But it works

[cunning urchin]

Crush Shot isn't boring at all, it's amazing.

[last dirge]

I kinda wish there were a doom cast

So you could do ME poseidon that way

Curse of Drowning is always fun

[cunning urchin]

You... want more reasons to take Merciful End?

[last dirge]

Yes

Imagine it

Like normal base damage

300 base doom damage

[worn solar]

sounds balanced

[cunning urchin]

Ew.

[last dirge]

That isnt particularly stronger than any other cast given its delayed is it

[worn solar]

well merciful end, impending doom, 300 base damage....

[cunning urchin]

@whole drum not getting poms on your Cast can happen a lot if you take too many boons too early that can be pommed because it always hurts your chances to pom the ones that you want, so you wanna be careful with that. And also maybe when you only have 4 pommable boons and you find a pom, consider rerolling the pom if necessary to get a pom on your Cast. I think if you look out for those two things, you can have a bit more consistent Cast builds. You generally wanna try to get your Cast to at least Lv.4. That said, I think that build was actually pretty decent, just at least one or two more poms on Cast would have been nice.

[worn solar]

rerolling boon/chaos:
rerolling pom:

[cunning urchin]

You'd still want to prioritize Cast poms even when it's already Lv.4, but I think that's a good indicator that you probably made some "wrong" decisions somewhere if your Cast is still Lv.3 by the end of the run... or even by the end of Asphodel.

"Wrong" if your goal is DPS/speed, anyway.

[unreal tree]

Most casts only fall off at lv5-lv6

Except for demeter where its just always bad

[valid dagger]

Lol

[unique quail]

What is most time better, dou or heroic?

[unreal tree]

Depends on whats offered

And on the aspect, build etc

[unique quail]

Heroic throw or more crit dmg to weak

Play zag bow, so i think went for the dou imo

[unreal tree]

Correct

[unique quail]

Just luck that Kind of boons 😆

Hanging in first stage and got dou already... This is going to be my first finish

[bright forge]

Just finished a run of that. Thanks for the suggestion, big man died in less than a minute

[surreal plinth]

Is Zeus good for exagryph?

[valid dagger]

He is except for Hestia

On the attack I mean

Zeus call is gonna be strong for most builds, if you go for something like Aphro attack and Zeus call + Smoldering Air

[surreal plinth]

Hmm okie

[thorny coral]

so i finally figured out how rush delivery works

turns out from hyper sprint you get bonus damage only to dashes, dash strikes, dash specials

[strange lark]

no

[thorny coral]

makes sense really, considering you move faster during dashes

[thorny coral]

what do you mean no, casts clearly don't get bonus damage from hyper sprint

[strange lark]

they do tho

[thorny coral]

only from greater haste

[strange lark]

if a cast lands on an enemy while hyper sprint is active they will deal extra damage from rush delivery

[thorny coral]

so you have to dash when you shooting your casts?

that's crazy

[fresh jewel]

Hyper sprint stays active for 1.5s right? That's enough of a window to dash then cast

[strange lark]

1 second after the dash

also works during the dash

nice

whoops wrong channel

[thorny coral]

i'll check it out, but i doubt it works

[fresh jewel]

I'm fairly certain I've done it before

[strange lark]

it definitely works

rush delivery is a global damage boost

[cunning urchin]

Hyper Sprint + Rush Delivery gives global damage from the moment your dash begins until the movement speed bonus is gone. Any damage that happens during that time that has Zagreus as the source of damage is affected by Rush Delivery.

That includes Cast damage.

If the Cast hits after that time, however, the bonus damage doesn't apply.

[thorny coral]

yeah, i just tried it

you dash right after you cast

and level 1 common trippy flare with epic rush delivery deals 200 damage

[lucid oar]

Level 2 deals double that

And then some

[shell sleet]

beowulf moment

[cunning urchin]

Right. The way Rush Delivery works has been known for quite awhile now. Can be difficult to find information like that sometimes, though, when you weren't around when it was first discovered.

[shell sleet]

how do you consistently dodge EM4 dad when he does the achilles special

[valid dagger]

If you dont want to rely on any boons for that then you just have to learn the attack pattern and react fast enough

[sterile fiber]

his sprite has a special animation for it, so prepare to dodge when you see that

[bright forge]

Chiron with Zeus special... thoughts?

[fresh jewel]

I think there is a tiny cooldown between zeus procs so it's not as godly (heh) as it could be

[bright forge]

What about ares with the stackable curse boon?

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, it can work. Not amazing, though.

[bright forge]

I’m just trying to find gimic builds

[bright forge]

Okay so I just beat EM4 for the first time with chiron Zeus

Works pretty well

[last dirge]

Yeah rush delivery can be difficult to use but it definitely works

I've liked it best on dash only builds. Like ares dash

So it's basically always active

It did a surprising amount of damage. I think Vicious Cycle actually helped for once

Because I had like 6 hyper dashes

Engulfing of course helps

[unreal tree]

vicious cycle is a SCAM

[last dirge]

I know

It's only like actually +2 dmg per hit right?

Not 2 base dmg?

[unreal tree]

its +1 for every cycle

instead of the advertised amount

[last dirge]

I think that would still add up with that many dash rifts

[unreal tree]

[last dirge]

Sad

Definitely not worth it on slicing shot

Maybe dash only since you need any dps increase you can get

I also used hyper+rush for a hunting blades build

You want a good dash boon because you are dashing around while the casts are active

Not tidal but just blade dash works since you are leaning into that on cast anyway

Dionysus dash could work

[cunning urchin]

Vicious Cycle is still always worth it.

And Hyper Sprint + Rush Delivery is always amazing in any build.

It's why Hyper Sprint is typically the #1 pick from Lord Hermes in most speedruns.

[last dirge]

I always pick it anyway because its versatile

Even if I never see rush delivery

[royal charm]

Er

What is the best aspect for the fists

Rn I'm thinking Demeter

But the one where you get to bully everything is fun tpo

Too

[valid dagger]

Demeter is usually better than the rest yea

[royal charm]

Ight ty

[quartz fractal]

first time playing after like 300 attempts of 50 heat runs and it feels weird to see 3 choosable option

[valid dagger]

Lol

[worn solar]

unmodded 50 heat

[quartz fractal]

no hell mode either

no personal liability 🧀

[unreal tree]

[valid dagger]

Did you get a win atleast

[quartz fractal]

yea

i got a win with each weapon

[valid dagger]

That’s quite the grind

Well done

[proper furnace]

does -movement speed affects RD in any way?

[valid dagger]

Yea it does, it’s less dmg from RD depending on how much mvt speed you end up having

[last dirge]

Gilgamesh is like okay

Not good for high heat

They can do some big damage though. Also the premier weapon for dash builds.

Demeter is definitely the best for like pure damage

But you can get some versatility on zag

Like strictly speaking a meme build like charged Artemis special spam or whatever would probably be better on zag

Even though Demeter has the bonus uppers, but Demeter had options for boss killing and group killing

I just like Gilgamesh because it somewhat changes up the fists. Its attack is a side to side slash, rapid but weak dash strikes work nicely with Breaching Cross and a nice dash boon

Maim is just an option. It's especially a solid option on dash builds imo

Since they lack dps, but dont really lack in like survivability, you can use Maim to amp the dash damage

[cunning urchin]

Demeter Aspect and Zag Fists are pretty even for high heat. Talos works well up to a certain point in heat and then just becomes base fists with no upgrades. Gilgamesh is just bad overall.

You'd think the one Malphon aspect with such a big penalty would have the best DPS, not the worst.

But alas.

[boreal prism]

Would you really rather have base fists than gilgamesh at high heat?

[cunning urchin]

Absolutely.

[royal charm]

Uhh

What keepsakes do you guys start with for a railgun

the second aspext

Forgot the name

[lucid oar]

Eris? I start Zeus for lightning strike

I think pretty much everyone else will recommend the same thing

[cunning urchin]

Lightning Strike and then Tidal Dash, yeah.

[worn solar]

zag fists dodge chance gives a alot of survivability especially if you get an epic greater evasion or second wind from hermes

[boreal prism]

Oh I know lvl 5 zag fists is really good

When I say base fists I mean level 0 fists

[worn solar]

oh. even then yeah tbh. gilgamesh is a lot less safe than base fists with the trashy dashes and slow attacks

[vale stirrup]

give me a build that i havent heard of that is fun and wacky or something

[lucid oar]

Beowulf with dio attack, ares special, dio cast, aphro dash

(I googled random integers between 1-24 and 1-8)

[remote spoke]

Hunting blades + Aspect of Hera is genuinely broken

[worn solar]

uh not really

[cunning urchin]

Not really. You could do Achilles + Hunting Blades and start with 2.5x the damage.

[remote spoke]

True

[worn solar]

that really

hera is strongest with aphro cast

[remote spoke]

Anything with hunting blades is good

[worn solar]

yeah tbh

its just a really strong duo. good damage, anti shield, low operating requirements, lots of call gain

[remote spoke]

Also good for crowd control

[cunning urchin]

I guess it's "broken" in the sense of how easily you can win with it when the build comes together, just throwing Hunting Blades and running away. But it's not an amazingly high DPS build.

[remote spoke]

The best part of Hera + hunting blades for me is the fact that you can activate it from further away than most weapons

[cunning urchin]

The thing is a decent Hera + Crush Shot build will just kill everything in one shot.

[remote spoke]

Aspect of Hera is just really fun to use

[cunning urchin]

So.. while your Hunting Blades are doing damage, the enemy could already be dead and you be picking up your bloodstones and one-shotting even more enemies.

And yeah, I agree. Hera is the aspect I have the most clears with.

[gusty rapids]

hera best aspect

[vale stirrup]

not sure if any of u tried this but dio special with magnetic cutter fists is fun

i think theres also a hammer thats make it better i forget

[cunning urchin]

I think the Queen of Malphon has tried literally every Malphon build at this point.

[worn solar]

is dio that great on it when it only hits twice on a standing upper or once with a dash upper

the pull portion of the special doesnt proc dio right?

[cunning urchin]

Try Trippy Shot + Drunken Strike instead.. then get his legendary also.

Which Trippy Shot and Drunken Strike will unlock.

[vale stirrup]

well its the splash effect that makes all enemies around them take poison damage

[cunning urchin]

Are you thinking of Quake Cutter?

[vale stirrup]

YES!

quake cutter hammer

i knew there was a hammer involved

[cunning urchin]

The most effective use of Talos's Special is generally to press Special and then immediately press Dash. What will happen is you pull the enemy and apply the debuff and then immediately go into a Dash, skipping the Uppercut part. That can immediately put you behind enemies for backstabs and you also get the bonus Attack damage and can immediately use your Attack without having to wait for the slow Uppercut to finish.

If you do it right, it will look almost indistinguishable from a normal dash except that you see a little bit of purple right at the start of your dash.

[vale stirrup]

thats neat

[cunning urchin]

Although... the most fun way to use the Special is to do exactly that but with Tidal Dash. You pull enemies towards you and dash through them, and while they still have that momentum from the pull, Tidal Dash adds do that and they just fly across the screen somewhere behind you.

There's no particular benefit to it, it just looks really funny.

[vale stirrup]

oh my

[cunning urchin]

Well, the benefit is crowd control because you just kind of fling an enemy out of the fight for a bit lol.

[vale stirrup]

i once ping ponged tiny vermin thanks to magnetic cutter it was funny

[cunning urchin]

Talos is a very fun aspect.

[meager ice]

One of my favorite builds is Poseidon aspect exit wounds

[terse thistle]

I’m starting to like the zag fist plume combo. Especially fun with crystal beam and some nice chill boons

[cunning urchin]

@terse thistle try to get Smoldering Air and Second Wind.

[worn solar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/905184458989269052/Hades_2021-11-02_12-59-05_Moment.jpg I approve of this combo

[severe yacht]

is aspect of giglamesh worth it

[cunning urchin]

Not really unless you happen to enjoy its playstyle.

[severe yacht]

i like aspect of demeter

[cunning urchin]

It's not really very much like the other Malphon aspects.

[severe yacht]

which one do you recommend

[cunning urchin]

Of the hidden aspects, you mean?

[severe yacht]

yes

i have

hmm

let me check

[cunning urchin]

Excalibur, Rama, Beowulf, and Guan Yu.

[severe yacht]

in that order?

[cunning urchin]

Not ordered, no.

[severe yacht]

i don't have excalibur and beowulf

[cunning urchin]

Well, Lucifer is also very good, it's just not as good as Eris or Hestia.

[severe yacht]

i have the shield/fists/bow

on the secret aspects

[cunning urchin]

Beowulf and Rama are both very powerful.

[severe yacht]

wow it looks nice

just unlocked it

should i focus on special attack or attack

[worn solar]

beo is a cast focused aspect. as for rama most of your damage should be from attack, with special being used to mark and put curses on enemies

[severe yacht]

thank you

[heavy stratus]

for rama i like dio on special

[severe yacht]

ye got a hangover

[last dirge]

Try to get heart rend on chiron

Get no heart rend

Get backstab stuff instead

That's why I hate chiron

I'm so sick of those double digit damage crits

Tried to get special damage from Chaos too but got backstab there

[cunning urchin]

Well, it's pretty easy to get backstabs with Chiron's Special at least on bosses, so there's that.

[last dirge]

Yeah

Like it wasnt bad

Does parting shot give general backstab damage?

That's what I got instead

[cunning urchin]

According to Bright01, Parting Shot's bonus backstab damage only applies to Cast.

[last dirge]

Okay. Thanks.

So it was the worst option too

[worn solar]

free obols

[edgy steppe]

hey @cunning urchin i'm trying to impress a new-ish friend with the power of guan yu, what are some easy, strong build options for low heat?

[cunning urchin]

My Guan Yu guide: #h1-discussion message

I'd recommend just starting with .

[edgy steppe]

thank you so much!

[cunning urchin]

And then... probably take whichever has higher rarity between Heartbreak Strike and Heartbreak Flourish.

Flourish over Strike if they're the same rarity.

[edgy steppe]

you would recommend aphro wouldnt you lol

it seems to be your thing

[cunning urchin]

'Tis more than a "thing". m the high priestess of the Temple of Aphrodite and her apostle.

[worn solar]

its more flexible than other options

[edgy steppe]

it makes sense, though. damage is damage! and the damage reduction is good with low health

[worn solar]

can build into smouldering air and then you have a smouldering air run instead of a guan yu run lol

[cunning urchin]

High damage and Weak as well as easy access to Life Affirmation, Smoldering Air, and Heart Rend.

[edgy steppe]

how would you use heart rend in a build like this?

[worn solar]

arty

[cunning urchin]

Ideally with Heartbreak Flourish and Deadly Strike.

[worn solar]

hunters mark go brrr

[edgy steppe]

arty strike+serrated point?

[cunning urchin]

You lead with a Special and immediately do a couple Dash-Strikes, then repeat.

[edgy steppe]

that makes sense

[cunning urchin]

I don't recommend Serrated Point if you don't have a lot of experience playing with Serrated Point... it's powerful but can make things very difficult.

If you take it without practice, you should expect your run to be a practice run with Serrated Point and be very careful and not necessarily expect to win... The Hades fight in particular can be a lot more difficult with it.

It can also be very quick if your Serrated Point build is strong.

[edgy steppe]

makes sense

thank you again, that was very helpful!

[cunning urchin]

Best hammer is gonna be Charged Skewer.

[edgy steppe]

yeah ive played it before

kinda nutty

[cunning urchin]

And then after that, probably Quick Spin second and Massive Spin third.

I have some notes on using spins effectively in the guide.

Try to take Chaos Gates to get more Special, Dash-Strike, or Attack damage. Also potentially some first-hit damage or HP.

Centaur Hearts from Erebus are gonna be very valuable if you can do that.

Divine Dash, Tidal Dash, and Hunter Dash are all very good. I probably wouldn't bother with any other dash.

I think Family Favorite and Privileged Status are both fine, but I would lean towards Family Favorite because it helps you one-shot enemies even if just a little.

[edgy steppe]

that all makes sense, tried it out, went pretty decently!

[unique quail]

Im really going to love bow with zeugs Attack jumping Blizzard around 😆

[spice brook]

Is there any way to. Win with Guan Yu

[fading panther]

Err, get good using Guan Yu? Charged Skewer works well with it, Serrated Point as well, but be careful with the lower dash range

[polar python]

Guan Yu is my 2nd favourite spear and while I've not done high heat on it yet, it's pretty good once you level it right up (50% life loss is okay, 70% is really rough)

[turbid needle]

level it up and use dash strikes, you can win runs by just spamming special, when you get spin hammers the spin gets very good ect

[noble heath]

hello, just managed to unlock exagryph's infernal arms

which one's more suggested for the aspects upgrade? 👀

[bright forge]

Eris is generally considered the best of the bunch

[noble heath]

can i use hazard bomb with it

[bright forge]

I wouldn’t recommend hazard bomb, general hammer upgrades for eris are cluster bomb and rocket bombs

[valid dagger]

You can but it’s not optimal because you have to absorb your Special to get the buff

You can iframe it with a dash but it’s not consistent and takes some getting used to, not worth the trouble usually

[bright forge]

^

[noble heath]

alright

[bright forge]

Usual eris builds go with Zeus attack, either artimis or Aphro special, Poseidon dash, Zeus call and hammer preferences on Cluster or Rocket. Or at least for speedrunning they do

[cunning urchin]

I was giving tips for Guan Yu just above your comment, if you scroll up.

[mild raft]

Don’t listen to everyone else Hazard Bomb Eris is optimal, your damage gets insane

They are just cowards

[proper furnace]

just get delta chamber

[worn solar]

spread fire hazard

best combo

[terse thistle]

Clocket, that is all

[unique quail]

Is there a web site to get some builds? :-)

[worn solar]

this is probably the most accurate and comprehensive one out there https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

id mostly just read the first few sections then experiment on your own though

[rose siren]

Too much text

[proper furnace]

looking at the victory channel also works

[rose siren]

And no pic XD

[unique quail]

Thx

[worn solar]

still a lot better than the 1000 inaccurate af guides out there

[unique quail]

Looks good for me but a question, for bow

Zag bow prefer aphrodite Attack or Artemis to went for heartrend?

[worn solar]

mhm

[lucid oar]

Artemis

And try and get hunter dash

[worn solar]

aphrodite is easier since you dont need to use something else to get the weak procced and its easier to also go for smouldering air instead but artemis is better damage especially with other attack damage boosts

[lucid oar]

If you get lucky with hammers then Artemis will become a lot better

[unique quail]

@worn solar thats the point, its easier 😆

[nocturne bolt]

Somewhat random question, but does anyone know the specific numbers when it comes to each weapon's base attack speed? (e.g., how many hits per second per weapon/attack type) 🤔

[unique quail]

For zag bow

Perfect shot or close combat shot

I got already double shot

[sterile fiber]

searching this group for (X weapon) build can get lots of good things too

[proper furnace]

Both are fine, just pick the one you like more

[worn solar]

yeah doesnt really matter. most shots you get off with twin shot will be in point range

it just depends on whether you powershot often

[zealous jay]

in general what goes well with aspect of arthur?

[worn solar]

aphro attack, athena dash, zeus call, smouldering air

[zealous jay]

thanks

[subtle star]

And lots of centaur hearts…so you can become a walking tank

[royal charm]

What is the usual booms you go for with fists

Also what aspect to go with them

[boreal prism]

Fists hit fast so you want flat damage

Zeus, dionysus, ares

[turbid needle]

dem aspect is the best generally

[royal charm]

Ight ty

👍

[last dirge]

So what would be ideal for Rama attack only? Like triple + pbs + aphro attack?

So not actually interesting?

I like lots of stuff on Excalibur. Shadowslash is better than it seems

Because it's slow and somewhat deliberate but also hard hitting

Artemis attack can be good because you already have the base damage

Athena attack can be fun

I once did a dash strike run that was okay

Once you get double edge it's pretty good. I sort of leaned into backstab and dash strike and attack dmg

It plays like a less chaotic or messy Nemesis

But obviously its slow

[bright forge]

Artemis attack on arthur just let me do 4000 damage in a single hit

[last dirge]

From #h1-victory-boasting

I think Zeus special can sometimes be ok on spear. Maybe not with exploding, but I think Vicious Skewer makes the bolts also have 50% crit chance

I've used it as a duo enabler and damage supplement on Achilles

[sterile fiber]

Is there a way to display the room number permanently

[worn solar]

speedrun modpack

[sterile fiber]

[last dirge]

Bouldy blessed me with 9% cast damage on an attempt to get Curse of Drowning on Poseidon

Now trying for 3 duos with pride

[shell sleet]

can jolted crit?

[last dirge]

Yeah

Asterius just stole my bloodstones lmao

But gave me Curse of Drowning, and I have Sea Storm and 50% hyper+rush

[unreal tree]

The only things in the game that cant crit are : explosive return hammer, and the 40 flat damage bonus from merciful end

[worn solar]

can thanatos crit

[unreal tree]

Yes

[last dirge]

Ofc

He can use mark

29997

[worn solar]

wait that actually sounds plausable

[unreal tree]

yeah lol

Its real

[worn solar]

just oneshot em4 3rd phase

[worn solar]

@outer pulsar here it is https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

looking around in #h1-victory-boasting can also be a good idea, particularly at the fastest and higher heat ones

[outer pulsar]

okay this is a ton of stuff i didn't know, yeah. thanks!

[lone jetty]

Author here. If you’ve got questions feel free to hit me up. I badly want that guide to not be terrible

[royal charm]

Oh maybe a little comparison of the aspects of the same weapon against Each other before showing the build ideas for them

so this one is the best dps

But this one is the easiest to use

Somethin like that

[worn solar]

tbh stuff like ease of use can be quite subjective and one is encouraged to simply try out each aspect themselves also dps is really boon dependent and variable and lots of aspects get similar numbers

[lone jetty]

Yeah I really didn’t want to get into rankings or comparisons like that. All the aspects are viable and capable of good enough dps at reasonable heat levels. You might gel with one better than another but that’s not for me to decide.

And that can shift! Like I didn’t care for Zeus shield at all at first but now it’s one of my favorite weapons

[zealous jay]

aspect of hades is just good with aphro attack cuz of the %?
maybe combo with zeus and smoldering air?
or is it better with something else? not really sure what to do with it

[unreal tree]

Exploding launcher-charged skewer/quick spin

Special focus usually best

But spin's fun

[zealous jay]

hmm aight thanks

[zealous jay]

Theorycraft build idea:

Hera aspect bow
Festive fog+Scintillating Feast +Ice Wine
So dio cast, rest fill up with Zeus/Demeter based on prefrence. stack cast buffs,
If you grab Static discharge you have a chance to even get Cold Fusion for perma jolted

You'll need really good luck to get everything tho, but in theory it should work well

[valid dagger]

It's a known build, except take off Ice Wine because it adds a delay to Beo and Hera, otherwise yea that can be quite strong

[zealous jay]

ah whoops

[tiny hearth]

what boon is best for the primary fire of ||the aspect of rama||

[zealous jay]

Heartbreak(aprho) imo

you get a big % buff, and it's a one and done debuff

then you can swtich to special for your other stat, hangover is a good syngergy

especially cuz of their duo boon

again, imo
that's my go to with that weapon

[tiny hearth]

oke

what boons go best with the achilles aspect

[worn solar]

generally you want to start tidal dash, get flurry jab, get a good cast + duo like hunting blades, lightning phalanx, meme beams, ice wine, artemis/zeus/dio/aphro/dem gud on attack

[valid dagger]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/

This guide is really good

It is more towards speedrunning tho just to keep in mind, but that's how you usually build Achilles, some things are weak/not mentioned because they're slow

[last dirge]

Hades has a few options I think

I can see like a bad influence based special build working

Apply hangover with massive spin then charged skewer them with Artemis attack

Would also work with heart rend or even deadly reversal somewhat

Poseidon wouldnt be good but Sea Storm might be

Like base Poseidon would have weird antisynergy, but tier 2s help

Just Artemis attack, her tier 2s, Serrated Point would work really well

Set up mark and debuff with spin then dash strike

The debuff lasts a while so you dont really need to re-apply it, just go from mark to mark

Demeter might work? You need tier 2s too, but it would be much better than base Poseidon

[unreal tree]

Thats just

Bad

[last dirge]

Poseidon? Yeah

It would be a meme run

[unreal tree]

Arent they all meme runs

[last dirge]

Hades aspect is good

It at least changes how spear works while having respectable dps

[unreal tree]

True yeah

[lone jetty]

Kinda anything is fine on Hades with its built-in attack/special buff. I think ideally you have Arty or Aphro on whichever good hammer you have.

[worn solar]

bad influence

its just so slow and the hangover isnt that much

[brisk carbon]

Omg.... I just accidentally found a build that melts enemies so fast. I didn't intend to do a speed run but even with me looking around for gold urns and stuff, I just finished the run in 16:10.69. My average is like 25-30 minutes. I was on heat 10, and had God mode on.

I had Exagryph with Eris, with Delta Chamber, and Ricochet Fire.
Boons:
Zeus: Zeus' Aid, lightning strike, static discharge, heaven's vengeance, splitting bolt (Zeus' Legendary), storm lightning, clouded judgment, billowing strength
Artemis: Hunter dash, support fire, pressure points
Athena: Divine flourish
Chaos: addled lunge (dash strike deals +116% dmg)
Hermes: Auto reload, quick favor, greater evasion
Ares: Curse of vengeance

I had the most exhilarating run ever... I wonder if I could repeat this again in the future. Haha... The great thing abt Hades is how every single run is different.

[hearty elbow]

Literally everything that came after Jolted + splitting bolt was unnecessary there :)

[proper furnace]

so much dash strike dmg on eris

[brisk carbon]

Hahaha.... See, I've never really used zeus before. And never really knew how great jolted can be. I'm just blown away by how just chain lightning and those effects can just melt.

[brisk carbon]

Hahaha.... Yes! I'm quite a dasher kind of player. Which is why Asphodel's EM2 gets me every time. I'm always ending up in magma.

[hearty elbow]

You're giving credit where credit is not due. Storm Lightning does next to nothing. All of your damage came from the two boons I listed

[proper furnace]

oh i mean it bc rail attack is like 10 base dmg

[hearty elbow]

Which is good news. It means that your nut build is literally 2 boons lol

[brisk carbon]

Yeah I never realized how crazy those two boons are

[brisk carbon]

Hahahaha yes! I had then at higher rarity too which was lucky (I mean not splitting bolt since it's legendary anyway) but for jolted yeah

[hearty elbow]

Zeus' Aid does a lot too tbf. Nice build though.

[brisk carbon]

I'm definitely gonna lean in on Zeus again in the future if I want to do a quick run

[lucid oar]

Zeus aid is great

Especially with eris

[hearty elbow]

The only thing you could have to make it dumber would be all the Poseidon fixings on Tidal Dash and Cluster Rockets with Aphro/Artemis

[brisk carbon]

I love using greater call and just watch Redacted's health drain

[hearty elbow]

You should be doing enough damage actually that that's probably a waste because of invulnerable shields/darkness

Lesser calls likely more reliable

Dad phase 2.2 an exception

[brisk carbon]

Poseidon's boons would be good for the bow though right? When you knock foes back to have more time for the charge?

[brisk carbon]

Ahhh good point! I'll keep that in mind.

[hearty elbow]

As dumb as Splitting Bolt on Eris is, nothing in the game really compares to Eris with Cluster Rockets

It's comparing Erises to Erises at that point lol.

[worn solar]

eh you dont want poseidon on attack because he's pretty low damage compared to other gods

unless you just mean tidal dash

[hearty elbow]

Tidal dash kinda sick on bow. As long as you aren't triple shot lol

[worn solar]

but tbh with bow you dont really play that close so idk if its that needed

[hearty elbow]

Oh, maybe you don't heh. Get in there!

[worn solar]

though at higher heats tbh enemies bunch up and rush you

and dont die as fast

[worn solar]

tidal dash triple point blank was my 50 heat rama

[brisk carbon]

Yeah I'm just terrible abt staying my distance since I like dashing so much. One of the main reasons why I'm just so bad at the bow.

[brisk carbon]

Is triple shot bad?

[worn solar]

triple wants you to be close up

so you can hit enemies with all three arrows

but tidal knocks then away

[lucid oar]

Tidal dash is good. Triple shot is good. Together they are not good

[brisk carbon]

Ohhh.... Right!

I've been using Chiron and I think that suits my frenetic play style better since I don't have to aim as well. Haha

[worn solar]

with bow you do want to be dashing between every attack though. ig just make sure to pay attention where youre doing it, try to make enemies have to run towards you generally

[brisk carbon]

Gotcha. That's a good tip. Thanks!

Ok last Daedalus upgrade for Exagryph I need is spread fire. Anyone know how I can make that show up?

I googled but can't seem to find answers and I've been trying to find this upgrade

[valid dagger]

You cant make it show up without mods

Just play until first hammer and if it’s not it you can die to a trap to restart if you feel like it

[worn solar]

just dont take hammers that are incompatible with it

like flurry shot or delta chamber

[valid dagger]

Explosive aswell I think?

[worn solar]

think explosive actually works with it

[valid dagger]

Sounds interesting

[brisk carbon]

Ohhh gotcha.

[brisk carbon]

And oh yeah. I didn't think about using give up. Lol

[worn solar]

give up doesnt work

it doesnt change the seed/starting boon/hammer offered

[valid dagger]

Unless it’s a hammer start you can give up, there is still a chance that you go the same route tho

[hearty elbow]

It was also my 50 heat EM4 ZAG lmfao. I'm overly fond of triple shot splash dash.

It's so bad but I like splash dash enough that I pretty much always take it.

And unless specifically twin Shot is offered, I'm always taking triple

[worn solar]

50 heat em4

[lone jetty]

It’s v unpleasant

[brisk carbon]

I'm on 10 and I'm sweating buckets. Can't imagine 50 heat em4....

[last dirge]

Triple is solid on Rama

But Rama projectiles are much much larger

So it can point blank all 3

Twin is really good on all aspects

I think I really like Chain Shot on Rama

Like that works the way it seems right? If enemies are grouped, it chains to enemies and applies shared damage per chain hit, increasing per hit?

that seems like an equally situational but stronger triple shot

[lucid oar]

I don’t like chain shot ngl

I prefer lining the enemies up

More flexibility

[cunning urchin]

Smoldering Air, Sweet Nectar + Tidal Dash, Heart Rend, Low Tolerance... plenty of decent options for start.

[cunning urchin]

Same. The more I play bow, the less I like Chain Shot. It's not bad exactly, it just... doesn't do very much.

[cunning urchin]

Hunter Dash and Lunge do next to nothing on Eris. The base damage of a bullet is just way too low.

Pressure Points on its own does barely anything, but in combination with Hunter's Mark, it can become very powerful. Can be worth putting a couple poms on Hunter's Mark.

[last dirge]

Pressure points starts popping off after extreme pomming

So if it's your best option besides something more direct, go for it

[cunning urchin]

Poms on Pressure Points are a total waste.

[last dirge]

I mean so are a lot of poms

[cunning urchin]

Math does not check out.

[last dirge]

I'd rather pom it than most dashes

[cunning urchin]

Well, get boons with decent pom scaling.

Practically any Dash pom except for Divine Dash would do a lot more.

[worn solar]

2% global damage increase beeg

[last dirge]

I've gotten it to like 10% crit without impeding on other upgrades

And obviously you get it with mark

[naive hound]

Is there a way to make a call focused build? I guess you’d need Smoldering Air

[last dirge]

Isnt necessary to make that work

Yeah

But yeah totally

I'd say you also want hyper sprint and rush delivery

And then get like Zeus call

[fading panther]

You just need Zeus most of the time

[last dirge]

And dash around with it

[fading panther]

Billowing Strength

[last dirge]

Yeah

You could also do like Zeus dash

Billowing will apply to subsequent calls though I'm pretty sure

[fading panther]

It does

[last dirge]

Also get double strike

[fading panther]

So, technically, a semi-permanent small global damage buff

[last dirge]

Pom it and call and billowing as much as you can

[proper furnace]

high voltage to open the legendary also good

[last dirge]

Yeah

You probably have mostly good pom options here anyway

Depends on if you purge useless ones

[fading panther]

I should try Smoldering Air and Scintillating Feast with Dio call though

Might be cool

[proper furnace]

poseidon call + rip current is one my favourite things

[last dirge]

Yeah

[fading panther]

Man, I don’t think I ever took Rip Current, ever

Should try that as well

[last dirge]

Its asking for a lot but if you get Blackout you're doing a lot of damage

Does the damage buff from Blackout apply to hangover?

[proper furnace]

yes

its global

[last dirge]

Thats a lot of hangover damage

[fading panther]

Hangover has like, the most support in the game

[last dirge]

One call build that starter as just cast was curse of drowning with Ares call

Probably the best use of Ares call

[fading panther]

A total of 4 other gods supports it other than Dio himself, I think?

[last dirge]

It would also work on Poseidon

Yeah 4

[cunning urchin]

Then pom Hunter's Mark.

[fading panther]

Oh, Demeter cast has a lot of support as well. The sad thing though, is that you mostly can’t stack all those Duos together though

[cunning urchin]

The best use for Ares' Aid is to purge it at the next opportunity.

[worn solar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/893934525015556106/Hades_10_2_2021_11_48_58_AM.png tbh with vicious cycle it can do more than a whole phase 2 bar

embed fail

[proper furnace]

nice embed

[worn solar]

[cunning urchin]

Good job.

[worn solar]

https://imgur.com/a/aL1n7Id

first try

[cunning urchin]

Good job.

[last dirge]

Now imagine that with cod damage

[cunning urchin]

Imagine that with a good Call.

[surreal quail]

What’s with the Ares Call slander

[cunning urchin]

Not slander. Truth.

[fading panther]

I finally have found a cast-ish build that actually works best on Eris, the cast aspect for rail lmao

So much setup though

[last dirge]

But Lucifer is the cast build

You just use snow burst

[fading panther]

Wait, what? Lol

[last dirge]

Snow burst triggers your specials

Treat that as your bonus cast damage

I did it with trippy shot and it went surprisingly well

I wanted to do blackout too since I had dio special

So it could have been even stronger with like, athena special

Demeter or zeus

[fading panther]

Oh, I see now

[last dirge]

Somehow I just got Chain Skewer to crit for around 1400

[terse thistle]

Time to test out charged skewer GY…

[shell sleet]

what keepsake do speedrunners take for styx if they have a call already

[lone jetty]

Acorn for more uptime on High Confidence

Could also try to stack well items with the Hourglass

[unreal tree]

^

[brisk carbon]

I have found that Ares' slicing shot and call just melt Hades like nothing else does.

[unique quail]

What builds are good for zag shield? Again Artemis and aphrodite for heartrent?

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike + Zeus' Aid for Smoldering Air.

Heart Rend is mainly on crit aspects, although it can work on others.

[unique quail]

And Hammers? Is there a possibility to See ingame all available Hammers for a weapon

[cunning urchin]

Charged Shot, ideally.

Pulverizing Blow and Dashing Wallop are also pretty good.

[unique quail]

Ok and what more to go? :-)

[valid dagger]

More Zeus boons is always good, like Static Discharge, Billowing Strength, Double Strike, Splitting Bolt

[unreal tree]

I dont mind the artemis attack build

its still really solid

[unique quail]

Thats heartrend then, right? And then? What more to Stack? 😆

[unreal tree]

marked

and pressure points

[unique quail]

Artemis then

[unreal tree]

R O D also good

[proper furnace]

rod 🙏

[unique quail]

Rod?

[valid dagger]

Lightning Rod

Zeus Artemis duo

[unique quail]

This dou good? Always collect it 😆😆😆😆

[unreal tree]

its a meme

[unique quail]

Sudden Rush or minotaur Rush Not good?

[unreal tree]

but its good

[unreal tree]

not really, sudden rush is good with charged shot

[shell sleet]

rod

[unreal tree]

look I have to admit, in my zag bow 50, that thing did DAMAGE

AP2 rod

[shell sleet]

its really nice how zeus combos into support zeus

[unique quail]

Mhhh i really Not going to make dmg with shield 😆

[lone jetty]

Charged Shot is awful beastly you’d be surprised

[unique quail]

Then all depends on hammer?

[valid dagger]

It's still strong without that hammer

It doesnt really rely on it like say Achilles Flurry Jab

[shell sleet]

fun build ideas?

[unique quail]

Ok i think im getting into it... More dash attack and then bull

[bright forge]

Super soaker
Poseidon attack on lucifer

[shell sleet]

I'll try to remember that for next time

and try to get sea storm right

[sterile fiber]

Yeah

[bright forge]

Sea storm and as many Poseidon and Zeus supports you can get

[formal pike]

Zeus, Artemis, and Athena are stupid good together.

Especially the Zeus and Artemis Duo

[polar python]

Gilgamesh plus flying kick is ... something

[formal pike]

Love the Gilgamesh aspect

[polar python]

Does dash strike from Artemis also improve dash upper?

I find I face tank too much damage with it

[formal pike]

I don't think so. I think that falls under her flourish ability

[polar python]

Shame

[formal pike]

The dash ability is just the dash. Dash strike is her attack and dash upper is the flourish

[worn solar]

fists are the only weapon with actual dash specials. think it works with them from what ive hear

[formal pike]

R u sure? All weapons have a dash attack of some sort.

[proven osprey]

Dash strike bonuses apply to dash uppers

[worn solar]

can confirm it works

[formal pike]

Well, learn something every day, 😂😂

[worn solar]

did a small test. with epic hunter dash plus ff a dash upper was doing 70 dmg

compared to 40 base

@polar python

[formal pike]

I don't main the fists, so my knowledge about them is incomplete.

I mostly use Aspect of Arthur for sword

[polar python]

Ta. Good to know.

Thanks for testing.

[sterile fiber]

do youall kbm-ers dash at the cursor or not

[valid dagger]

No

[strange lark]

no

[sterile fiber]

alright I won't thanks

[royal needle]

What keepsake should I take in asphodel after thunder signet for eris speedrunning?

[cunning urchin]

Conch Shell.

[royal needle]

Is it worth taking if I already have Poseidon?

So far i've just been taking the pom blossum or arrowhead

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, get Breaking Wave etc.

[royal needle]

Ok, thanks

[cunning urchin]

Adamant Arrowhead is fine, too, depending on your hammers.

[sterile fiber]

switching to kbm feels like relearning the game lol

[brisk carbon]

Yes.... I couldn't deal after just 2 games with it so I had to use my plug-n-play controller

[sterile fiber]

I died at Alecto on 5 heat lol

[tiny hearth]

Do I need the weapon equipped to get its designated aspect (in my case, do I need Exagryph equipped to get its hidden aspect)?

[worn solar]

think you need to first talk to zeus with the rail and get him to comment on it. but then after that you dont need to have the rail equipped when talking to him

tbh the rail synergizes well with zeus anyways

[polar python]

Question: should I take kinetic launcher if I'm using Demeter fists and have Athena special at 240%

Base damage is 50, so i assume that ends up as 50 x 6 x 3.40

[worn solar]

kinetic launcher on demeter is really cool so take it

[polar python]

Okay ta

I don't think I've ever tried this combo

[worn solar]

it shortens the special animation by a lot which is very useful

[polar python]

Ooh

Ta, then tasty

[next lake]

How fast is the spear's attack speed? I'm trying to figure out the best boons, like if lightning is better than the bonus attack damage boons. I'd also like to know the other weapons' attack speed, if anyone can tell me.

[worn solar]

idk the attack speed but the base damage is like 20-30 so zeus benefits roughly as much as the other gods, moreso if you get jolted too. since zeus procs on every attack,the base damage matters more than attack speed. he works well on rail and fists too

[next lake]

What do you mean the base damage matters more than attack speed? If the boon triggers on every attack, the attack frequency is what determines how much damage it deals. Anyway, I would really like to know the weapon statistics so I can run the numbers myself.

[worn solar]

because zeus is additive damage? if the added damage is a lesser percent then the amount youd get from like an aphro boon, then its worse?

lets take rail for example. zeus is the best on rail because the attack has a base damage of 10

a common zeus attack is 10 damage plus however much you get from bounces so thats over a 100% increase

now lets say rail did 30 base damage

zeus attack alone is 33% of that vs 50% from a common aphro attack, not counting bounces and other boons

if the base damage increases, the benefit of zeus decreases further

[lucid oar]

Number crunching only gets part of the picture. There are so many other things to take into consideration: enemy breakpoints, how many enemies, how close together they are, how much global damage you have, how many other Zeus boons you have…

[next lake]

Oh, yeah that's right. Guess I couldn't see the forest through the trees. I would still like to know total numbers so I know how quickly enemies die and compare with other weapons, but that helps a lot, thank you.

[sterile fiber]

I heard Damue has a giant pdf of stats they crunched, but it'll likely need getting a QQ account to join their groupchat, and then being able to read Chinese

I also vaguely remember a mod that can display DPS but don't quote me

[last dirge]

What if the chain lightning boon just increased dmg per enemy hit

Like chain hammers

Right now the only way you can really increase the dps of Zeus cast is the legendary and maybe Jolted

Plus general and cast dmg sources

[sterile fiber]

found a vid for the Thunder Flare memers:
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1sr4y127yg

rough description translation:
Frost Strike to get Priv Status and open up Cold Fusion
Artemis Aid to help DPS and open up Fully Loaded + Lightning Rod. Thunder Flare on its own doesn't have much AoE, so Lightning Rod helps that, also builds god gauge faster. No need to intentionally leave bloodstones on the ground
Mirage shot has no effect on the lightning bolts

[bronze marten]

That was cool

[proper furnace]

"When you have Flurry Slash, it's impossible to do an empty dash out of a Flurry Slash. You'll always get a Dash-Attack. And it's impossible to just do a Dash-Attack without getting an immediate Flurry Slash after the dash." -nyaanya
@fading nymph this is what is wrong with flurry lol

[fading nymph]

So that’s why I got hit so much LOL

[proper furnace]

lmao

[long escarp]

Yeah flurry slash is real bad

[cunning urchin]

If you quote somebody verbatim, mention their name.

[proper furnace]

What is the internal cooldown of splitting bolt? (If it has any)

[shell sleet]

it's just supposed to trigger whenever you hit an enemy with lightning right

so I'd assume that it has no internal CD of its own but indirectly affected by normal lightning cooldown

[cunning urchin]

I've read it's 500ms, but I haven't verified that.

[lucid oar]

0.2s

[cunning urchin]

Do you have a source on that? From what m seeing, assuming m interpreting things correctly, Splitting Bolt doesn't have a cooldown per se, but only the first hit in any "volley" can proc Splitting Bolt. m guessing "volley" is similar to how "concentrated" hammers work.

[lucid oar]

Looked around, Lili did a bunch of testing and got 0.25s

[cunning urchin]

I see 0.25 for Support Fire, Sea Storm, and Chain Lightning.

[lucid oar]

Pretty sure support fire is 0.167s

And sea storm I think is 0.2, but lili did say that they were unsure

[whole pollen]

Does artemis dash boon cancel shattered shackle or does it stack?

[hearty elbow]

They stack

[valid dagger]

Stack

[whole pollen]

Ah tqtq

[cunning urchin]

An Attack boon that goes into the Attack slot negates the Attack bonus from Shackle. Same for Special and Cast respectively.

[pliant dirge]

Can you get Charged Volley with Chiron Aspect bow? Or am I just not having any luck lately

[strange lark]

you cant

[pliant dirge]

Ah that explains a lot, thank you!

[polar python]

Yeah, charged volley was the last thing I got for the hammer prophecy because I didn't realize you couldn't get it with Chiron, and I always use Chiron.

[last dirge]

Yeah it also doesnt have many uses

Only works on Zag or Hera

Maybe you could do like a heart rend build with it. Heartbreak flourish

Would you use your attack there though?

On zag aspect

It might outclass your special still

Hmm maybe trippy hera

Charged + drunken flourish?

Blackout isnt even that good though

ME Hera? Doom on special + Athena cast

You could just do doom on attack though

Its neat. It works on spear

Bow just doesnt have special option aspects that allow it

Was charged on Chiron OP or something? I'd like to try that.

[sterile fiber]

Charged on Chiron makes less sense than other bows, since the special's trajectory depends on whether an enemy is marked

[lone jetty]

some folks in the speedrun discord were talking the other day about how Charged + Chiron was a thing but it was buggy so they just took it out

[last dirge]

They would still travel towards the target

Just with bonus damage in exchange for charge time

Chiron can already pop enemies but still. I'd like to use less actions to do it.

[cunning urchin]

You could get Charged Volley on Chiron during Early Access, yeah.

Charged Volley is pretty good, you can pivot into it if it's the first hammer you get.

[unreal tree]

Really struggles with forced overtime so it's not used too much

[last dirge]

Does Smouldering Air work with Hades' Keepsake?

I have an opportunity to purge my call and put that on

[worn solar]

do it

for science

[last dirge]

I've done it

Doesnt work lmfao

I always wanted to try

Your god gauge stays at 25%

But your call doesnt trigger and it is unusable

Died to em4

[worn solar]

definitely had no part in that

[last dirge]

Yeah I wasn't loving the build anyway

Zeus on eris

It really doesnt do much single target

Maybe if I got cluster rockets

I just had one rocket though and I didnt feel like winning that way

Just put on em4 because I should more and its eris

[unreal tree]

Nothing wrong with just one rocket

[unreal tree]

It does, get razor shoals and jolted

[last dirge]

Sure

[shell sleet]

does razor shoals even do much?

I've always felt like the dash itself does way more

[unreal tree]

On a nice rarity yeah

75% damage increase from eris is huge

[cunning urchin]

Razor Shoals is one of those boons you really underestimate until you use a DPS parser.

[lucid oar]

https://imgur.com/a/wGMk99o

Just trying to do some casual unmodded 32 heat completions and I get these tarts

Not even a speed pact 😂

[valid dagger]

That's a gamer Tart

Fiery 👀

[lucid oar]

I forgot to switch to shadow

Not sure it matters much

[proper furnace]

Zooming

[lucid oar]

Alright let’s try and speedrun this thing

[valid dagger]

sub8 or bust

[lucid oar]

Never mind

4:00 aspho into 8:20 elysium 😍

[valid dagger]

rip

js1 bp2 not too nice

[lucid oar]

And level 2 common drunken strike with no scaling apart from cast

[unreal tree]

[bold jetty]

I've only started beating Hades with Shield of Chaos (because I can't win with other weapons yet), and relying on blocking is much easier than trying to dodge. Any suggestions on what I can improve if I want to switch other weapons? (So far I've beaten Hades twice on Heat 0 and 1 using shield and nothing else)

[polar python]

All weapons have pros and cons. Without knowing your preferred play style it's really hard to give concrete suggestions. For early runs, I like Chiron Bow (you can keep distance while dealing good damage with Zeus or Dionysus on special). Or try the rail and unlock the Hestia aspect.

[solemn pond]

I just got the Lucifer aspect for the rail

When fighting Lernie, I had a... golden pinecone around me?

What was that

OH ITS MY ACORN

Nevermind!

I forgot I put that little fella on to level up

[terse coral]

arthur is hard with heat on

😦

[polar python]

I like it. My fastest sword runs are with Arthur. Gotta get used to timing though.

[last dirge]

Whenever I put on fiery I feel weak vs bosses

If you want to improve, use Gilgamesh lol

It forces you into combos and if you get hit you really feel it

[lucid oar]

Gilga? No wonder you feel weak against bosses

[last dirge]

Any fists really

Gilga can melt bosses though

I have been mostly doing Rama and Zeus shield runs tbh

[lucid oar]

All aspects can melt bosses

Some easier than others

[last dirge]

Like Zeus shield for example, the special cant backstab iirc

So fiery/shadowy doesnt matter really

Unless you want +75% dmg on that base 30 damage

[lucid oar]

I use fiery presence on pretty much every aspect nowadays

[last dirge]

Fair

I prefer going for backstabs

especially for bosses because they have nice exposed backs

[shell sleet]

can you even backstab lernie

[last dirge]

I think so?

I think the back of their skulls counts

Only some mini bosses dont have backs I think

[lucid oar]

I don’t bother, most of the time I’ll just get hit in the lava

[last dirge]

Butterfly ball and doomstone

[cunning urchin]

Just avoid FO and DC, and you should be fine.

[last dirge]

Backstabbing is much more work in asphodel tbh

But it still works in bloodless

Don't worry about witches and stuff obviously

Especially on fists. You will get lava damage

[cunning urchin]

Magma.

[last dirge]

So I can see the value of fiery being that you dont need to do this stuff

And like it can pop enemies with some builds

[cunning urchin]

They even went through the trouble of re-recording all the "lava" lines to say magma.

And yet here you are, calling it lava.

[last dirge]

In calling it lava

I get that it isnt flowing

[cunning urchin]

All that work for nothing.

[lucid oar]

Zag is in the underworld

[shell sleet]

how could you maim is good actually

[lucid oar]

Surface magma is called lava

Maim is eris buff/3

But with an added spice of HL

And only single target

[unreal tree]

[last dirge]

Hey its not like I ever said maim was good

[lucid oar]

Hmmmm

[cunning urchin]

You're just trying to trick other people into saying it.

[last dirge]

I do like the eris buff more

I've even done hazard bomb on eris

[lucid oar]

Same

[junior heart]

Are there any useful hammers for hera?

[worn solar]

flurry or triple are generally used or both

[unreal tree]

twin also great

[last dirge]

Twin and triple wont multiply your casts btw

It's just more dps. Hera doesnt have hammers directly for it

Its just base zag bow but you can load casts.

Triple + chain + phalanx shot + curse of agony with ME

And lightning Phalanyx

Mass ME application and payoff

[polar python]

Question: If I trade a boon while rare crop is in effect, does the new one still get boosted?

Just put rare crop on flood shot and got offered electric shot

[unreal tree]

No

[polar python]

Poop

[unreal tree]

It wont also get boosted to heroic

Not that it matters too much honestly

Its barely a damage improvement

Except on heroic aphrodite/heroic ares

[polar python]

I was just wondering

It's not critical like you say

[unreal tree]

yep

[last dirge]

Rare crop is best when it turns a common boon into a heroic

[worn solar]

@primal steeple for the hades boss fight its important to know that getting hit directly by one of skulls he shoots will give you a temporary +100% damage received debuff. its important to dodge those and focus on staying away from him if youre hit by one. since they explode after a few seconds after landing its important to either quickly destroy them or move away from their location especially if multiple are on the ground and you cant get rid of them all

[primal steeple]

i dodged the skulls and tried to quickly destroy all of them, but ultimately got comboed by multiple near the end

i was left with 1 hp and the lasers finished me off

[worn solar]

also while athena dash can deflect hades' thrust and skulls, it cant do so most of the time to the sweep so you need to iframe those

[primal steeple]

immediately after

[worn solar]

generally you want to dash into hades when he attacks

he carries a lot of forward momentum with the combos and sweeps

[primal steeple]

i was using bow and was able to distance myself away from the boss for pretty much the entire fight

also with demeter slowdown

what killed me was being unable to get rid of all of the skulls near the end

[worn solar]

when he uses his lasers. if its the first part of phase two with the triple lasers then you can just run behind him due to the slow tracking, for the 360° lasers while you can hide behind a pillar you can also not take damage if youre close enough to him

having trouble with the skulls also might just be a dps issue

[primal steeple]

..could i send an unlisted youtube video to show you the 5 seconds before where i died?

[worn solar]

well 5 seconds isnt much so idk if i can help much from that. though id look at it if you send it

[primal steeple]

if not, I dashed into a laser that was perfectly in position to kill me when the attack started

alrighty

..i was overaggressive, oops! https://youtu.be/kX-BIqUFcC4

@worn solar sorry if the ping is a bother, but ^

[worn solar]

lemme take a look

[worn solar]

mhm yeah. looks just like you panicked which is understandable. from there you pretty much had 3 options i guess

either blade rift on top of dad

dash right behind the closer pillar

or just dash closer to dad without using the blade rift

[primal steeple]

probably would've taken closer pillar if I wasn't panicking lol

[worn solar]

actually even going backwards into that further pillar you couldve survived by using another blade rift

and just used the iframes to get behind it

[primal steeple]

in all fairness

i think i wouldnt've had the time to think of any of those in the heat of the moment

maybe i just shouldn't be that aggressive with call unless it's fully charged

[worn solar]

yeah using the minor bladerift call is very dangerous

since you have basically no mobility in it, when the call ends you can easily be caught in an attack

[primal steeple]

adds up

well

that went really well.. until it didn't

[worn solar]

its just something that come down to experience tbh

[primal steeple]

i'll take those into account in the next run that gets to hades! thanks

[worn solar]

and helps having a good build ofc

[last dirge]

Kick should be better on Gilgamesh right? Because it replaces the low base damage dash upper with the kick damage presumably?

[lucid oar]

It’s pretty good for movement

Allows you to maim bosses more easily to get boosted megs

[last dirge]

Got a doozy

Chaos shield. Only heat is em4. It's a splitting headache build, and I already have Charged Shot. Which Hammer do I pick now?
Dashing Flight, Dread Flight, Explosive Return?

I'm also trying for Curse of Nausea if that is important

I think all of these dont interact the way you'd want with Chaos Shield

Like not Dread Flight probably, I dont want to be shieldless for longer

Though that might shred the pots

[worn solar]

explosive prolly

yeah dread flight bad

[last dirge]

Yeah. Not great choices

Was hoping for quicker rush

[last dirge]

I need to do a run where I try to get a 500+ hangover crit

Like Smouldering Dionysys call and Splitting Headache? Seems tough

You'd also want like lvl 8 Dionysus call

Which would have like 50 hangover damage lol

[worn solar]

is it that hard?

like you need 133+ hangover damage to crit for 500+ so with low tolerance thats just 20 damage per hangover stack

but priv status and rush delivery bring that down a lot

[last dirge]

True

1000+ then

[worn solar]

this makes me want to do a dumb hangover run.....

[sterile fiber]

by that you mean insanely good or hilariously suboptimal

[last dirge]

I think the smouldering air dio call could get ridiculously good if you get all the duos

Like splitting headache, low tolerance, heart rend, and smouldering air

Just with any aspect that has rapid damage. Like heartbreak flourish on Rama maybe

[worn solar]

yeah smouldering dio call is really gud

[last dirge]

I had it before I sold it for Hades keepsake

[worn solar]

but tbh like smouldering zeus call is easier

[last dirge]

Common but there is like a 3 point difference

And the pom scaling is ridiculous

[worn solar]

and zeus on multiple core boons doesnt hurt compared to hangover

[last dirge]

True

That's the highest source of hangover though

So if you want like the biggest hangover tick possible, you'd use that

[worldly stream]

Is it possible to get above common for Hermes’ extra dodge chance boon

[lucid oar]

Yes

[boreal prism]

though it's really hard to get above epic

[unreal tree]

God's pride is a scam

[shell sleet]

but legacy is also a scam

[worn solar]

truth

[valid dagger]

RI1 is the only way

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/835377117616668692.gif?size=96

[junior heart]

Is flurry jab or massive spin better on Achilles spear?

[valid dagger]

Flurry Jab is the best Achilles hammer by a long shot

[junior heart]

Ok thx

Any % increase is ok on the attack core?

[valid dagger]

Well its usually Zeus or Artemis

[junior heart]

Oh ok. I got Artemis on the cast. Then I'll go for Zeus on atk

[valid dagger]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/

This guide is pretty good

[junior heart]

Thanks!

[valid dagger]

It has speedrunning in mind so some stuff isnt mentioned or rated lower than others, mainly because its slow, you can make viable builds out of everything almost

[worn solar]

yeah achilles is extremely versatile with builds

[cunning urchin]

Can confirm this btw. Assuming 60 fps... when the first Chiron Volley arrow hits on frame 1 and the final Chiron Volley arrow hits on frame 11, one Support Fire arrow starts up on frame 1 and the second one starts up on frame 11.

But what's interesting is that a third Support Fire arrow starts up on frame 21 even though no more Chiron Volley arrows hit.

Why did that happen? I have no clue.

[thorny coral]

Is it worth taking ravenous will over snow burst?

on Hera/Beo

[unreal tree]

snow burst is VERY beneficial

I think ravenous>snow burst on beowulf if you have sudden rush or charged shot