h1-builds-and-combat

[long escarp]

With Poseidon, the goal is to get Artemis and Mirage shot ASAP

Mirage is bugged with Beo

The bonus cast does full damage

[split radish]

I love how all of dio's boons make enemies so drunk they die

[neon trout]

Omg I just had the most demoralizing loss at Hades…3 legendary boons with merciful end and zigged when I should have zagged…vomit 🤢

I was using the shield not my strongest weapon and was going for my first 32 with it 😭

[split radish]

ouch!

Try Zeus shield with Zeus on special, it's a pretty intuitive build, and strong for higher heats too!

[neon trout]

I havnt really used it only once I’ll have to check it out

[long escarp]

Yeah it’s by far the best special boon, especially if you can get jolted

[split radish]

but drunk yeah zeus special is probably the best general special boon

[long escarp]

Drunk is definitely worse

Literally according to Baj

[neon trout]

Ok tomorrow I’ll try it what a bummer though man that was a god build I went through last 2 biomes so fast

[split radish]

oh, zeus aspect god said zeus spec is better ok

[neon trout]

What’s a good build for Zeus shield? Anything a must other than Zeus?

[long escarp]

Smoldering Air is great to go for

[split radish]

not really a must, but either Demeter and Jolted for Cold Fusion or a good call with Smoldering Air

[long escarp]

Explosive Return is amazing

Charged Shot is really good

Cold Fusion kinda sucks imo

[split radish]

best hammer in the game

[long escarp]

As I always say

[worn solar]

theres the funny ares + zeus for extra beyblades I did once lol

[split radish]

beyblade burst turbo

https://tenor.com/view/beyblade-burst-sparking-beyblade-burst-hyuga-gif-18076848

[neon trout]

Nice thx

[split radish]

hunting blades in a nutshell

[worn solar]

with zeus shield and ares dash, the call gauge gain is pretty amazing and greater ares call with vicious cycle does a ton of damag

[limpid panther]

ya zeus with zeus is pretty fun

just lightning everywhere

[bright sandal]

Playing with zeus on zeus rn and it's so fun. My favorite is having the shield chase me so I'm just a steam train of destruction

Literally the only time where I actually try to invest into my dash for some dps

[blissful cypress]

poseidon dash is good dps oo though

[queen grove]

My fav is flurry shot with hangover

It does good damage

[fading panther]

You could also just put Dio on special, shotgun it point blank on enemies and instantly get 5 stacks of Hangovers

[past roost]

Question about aspect of Demeter
does the charged special, which says its multiple hits, count as multiple procs for things like zeus special etc?

[proper furnace]

I think so? But lightning bolts have an internal cooldown of 0.2 seconds anyway

[worn solar]

it wont be able to proc zeus special more than one

at least it didn't when i used it, maybe twice at most

[stark lake]

any good builds to shred through this game?

[past roost]

I figured

[worn solar]

what aspect

[past roost]

Since its one punch, and all the hits are at one exact moment

compared to something like Chironnact, where the arrows are all seperate, with even the tiniest delay between them

[stark lake]

aspect of zag on the sword

i just want this game to be over quickly

[past roost]

zag sword won't shred through the game, even if gives you some speed and safety

[stark lake]

ass

what does shred through the game?

[worn solar]

merciful end kinda does anyways

[past roost]

forgot which that is

[valid dagger]

Athena Ares Duo

[past roost]

Oh right

[valid dagger]

Since it just relies on you applying doom a bit reliably then having Athena’s dash to activate the doom, boons like Impending doom and Global dmg boosts make it even stronger, it can work on every aspect, of course I’m not saying it’s the strongest build for every weapon but you get the point

[fallow robin]

Zag Bow + Flurry Shot + Twin Shot + Artemis Attack always feels premium

[sterile fiber]

had a Deadly Triple Flurry the other day

[past roost]

I had a fun build with the gun, for once

cluster bomb, doom special, delayed doom activation

could've taken an epic multi-apply doom, but at that point I didn't have cluster

[fading panther]

Anyone has tried making Festive Fog builds? I guess the best weapon for it is Beowulf?

Probably would need natural Demeter and/or Zeus as well for the Festive Fog duos?

[proper furnace]

dont get ice wine on beo/hera

the delay is awful

[valid dagger]

Ice wine is not that great for Beowulf, since it adds a bit of a noticeable delay

[proper furnace]

achilles also works too

[fading panther]

What I really need advice with is which is better for Festive Fog, Infernal or Stygian Soul?

[valid dagger]

Sci feast is good, but since you should be using Stygian I would look for more casts from chaos mainly and just pom the thing, it does a ton on its own

[sterile fiber]

Both are workable

[fading panther]

Yeah, I’m considering Achilles as well

[valid dagger]

Stygian is preferred but both are usable yes

[sterile fiber]

Stygian needs extra casts to really get off. If you're using a melee weapon and are standing in your cast area anyway, Infernal is not a huge deal breaker

[valid dagger]

With Achilles, Ice wine makes your casts much better so you’d kinda want that

[sterile fiber]

If you have all the gods you need by end of Tartarus on Infernal Soul, you can use the Lambent Plume in Asphodel to fish for the Hermes Legendary that instantly returns your cast to you

[fading panther]

Nice

Thanks for the inputs!

Probably will try it with Achilles

[worn solar]

still kinda end up with those casts staying too long on the ground

rush delivery can be great too

[fading panther]

I’m guessing that Rush Delivery is to boost damage for Zeus Dio duo?

Wait, does that even work?

[proper furnace]

yeah if you are dashing when it hits rush delivery applies

(assuming hyper sprint)

but is also dmg for your cast

[fading panther]

Oh, right, since it takes a while to hit the ground. Gotcha

[proper furnace]

blackout is a fun boon to look out for too

[fading panther]

Yeah, I’m trying to make Black Out work, that’s why Festive Fog

[proper furnace]

i remember one time i tried to make it work but dumb me picked dio call to get black out

[hearty elbow]

Lol the only time I got black out to work well was in early access where I got in tart with AP2 and it carried a run with Rama (when it was garbage) for my 49 pb at the time. I prefer to end my relationship with black out on a high note. Still don't have that boon in my prophecies list in hell mode :3

[proper furnace]

(and once again but for splitting headache)

[slender halo]

What God should I pair with dio special on chiron bow?

For attack

And duo fishing i guess

[proper furnace]

aphro attack

aim for low tolerance and ares dio duo

[split radish]

or arty for splitting headache

[proper furnace]

[split radish]

[proper furnace]

grab her cast or call

[hearty elbow]

Why crossed out? This is a perfectly valid route for hangover Chiron lol

[split radish]

it's 1.25 crit chance per stack, right

[proper furnace]

1.5%

[hearty elbow]

It's global crit though, so it affects everything. That boon is good.

[split radish]

7.5% crit chance if you get 5 stacks, 11.5 for 8 stacks w/ duo, and it's global damn

that's pretty good

[proper furnace]

overcharged Pressure points

[split radish]

they stack additively, right

[proper furnace]

ye

[split radish]

potentially 15% crit chance on everything seems really good

[hearty elbow]

Plus sometimes you get op attack hammers and you can split your damage between special and attack

[proper furnace]

was wondering why i didnt get curse of nausea this run and just realized i never picked a pre requisite

[split radish]

I really need to try more Arty builds other than "get big number"

[proper furnace]

at least i got heroic greatest reflex for the first time, this is fun

[split radish]

4 extra dashes

[hearty elbow]

Splitting headache also goes ham with Bad Influence

[split radish]

stacks on multiple enemies count towards it?

[hearty elbow]

All additive damage is multiplied by crit

[proper furnace]

splitting headache sounds fun for hunter mark

[hearty elbow]

(no Splitting headache applies a debuff on enemies that makes them more likely to crit so it doesn't stack like that)

[split radish]

I've literally gotten Splitting Headache once

[split radish]

ohh I thought every stack on any enemy gave you crit chance for everything

[proper furnace]

i noticed i havent done hangover chiron in a while
hangover eris is more fun anyways

[split radish]

like, if you had 5 stacks on one enemy you'd have the crit chance on every enemy

[slender halo]

If only I could get both aphro and ares early

Zzz

[hearty elbow]

Yeah not quite. What I meant is if you're getting 70% from bad influence your crits are going to be hitting for at least 510% damage

(that's just 3x (100+70) so not including Privileged Status or Family Favorites, Sweet Surrender, billowing strength, that kind of stuff)

[turbid needle]

will a tight deadline proc waste an acorn use?

[long escarp]

No

[worn solar]

you just die

lol

[bright sandal]

I generally like all aspect but there was something about Gilgamesh that I just didn't like and I didn't know why. Just figured it out, it's that the playstyle is annoying as hell on a default controller setup. The special and dash button are on opposite ends making it a bit tricky and whiffing the dash upper often which is annying

[worn solar]

dash on lb is big brain

[proper furnace]

i put special there instead, i like the og dash button

[bright sandal]

At this point I've got hundreds of hours of muscle memory ingrained so the prospect of changing that is too dreadful

[proper furnace]

also gilga doesnt need to use maim at all

just spam that dash

[bright sandal]

Is that the meta playstyle?

[proper furnace]

maim isnt really good

[hearty elbow]

Gilgamesh doesn't have a meta lol

[proper furnace]

also ^ lol

[hearty elbow]

I'm sure there's an optimal way of playing it out there but it's pretty bad. Most people just dash only

[proper furnace]

that +25% global dmg isnt really worth the +50% enemies do to you

[bright sandal]

I'm finding the dash actually gets me hit more fighting melee style cuz it's throwing me off

[hearty elbow]

One of the other issues with Gilgamesh other than Maim being... problematic at best is that if you're dash striking, unless you're quite precise about letting go of the attack button, your next dash will also be a dash strike. This is bad because you have no iframes for dash strikes

[proper furnace]

gilga dash strike is dumb

[hearty elbow]

So if you're in a sticky situation you're probably going to get hit because your dash range is poo

[proper furnace]

cant even kill a numbskull

[bright sandal]

So I end up leaning towards using my cast more to cash in on the maim buff while mitigating the risk from the enemy buff

Dunno how good that's working. I'm very mixed on Gilgamesh

[worn solar]

for 40 heat i pretty much did a dash only run lol

[cunning urchin]

You can do a Dash-Attack and press Special right away to add a Dash-Special to it (without doing a second Dash).

[queen grove]

I wanted to get that but accidentally got the one that shoots three shots

[worn solar]

triple shot is amazing wdym

[queen grove]

but on the full auto bow I don’t like it

[worn solar]

but like

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/825862916561305643/893334932913528892/zagbowspoiler_001.mp4

triple damage

[worn solar]

that embed works right

[queen grove]

Na it isn’t loading

[cunning urchin]

Use something like gfycat that actually works.

[stark lake]

are there any builds that can shred through this game in a quick time

[polar python]

So many

[valid dagger]

There is a lot, it’s up to your playstyle and preference to choose the aspect first

[polar python]

Speaking of op. Hera with Artemis cast and Aphro attack is superb with twin shot and heart rend. A few extra crit boosts and I was getting through phases for Dad in 10 seconds or so.
Epic ravenous will was the icing on the cake.

I lost 23 health the whole fight.

[valid dagger]

You can also look at #h1-victory-boasting for build inspiration if you have nothing in mind atm

[cunning urchin]

You'll have a stronger build if you have Crush Shot and Deadly Strike instead.

[polar python]

More reliable perhaps.

I like Artemis for the cast homing and secondary kills it produces.

Don't get me wrong, Crush Shot is great, but I'm just having more fun with Artemis.

Plus more chance to roll into her legendary

[cunning urchin]

m talking about both average DPS and top end DPS against both multiple and single targets.

Crush Shot does more "secondary kills" simply due to the fact that it's an AOE blast that can hit multiple enemies while True Shot is always single-target damage.

[polar python]

I understand how this works and I didn't ask for someone to nitpick my decisions. Good grief this channel is annoying sometimes

[cunning urchin]

You're being quite rude.

It's a channel for discussions of builds etc. Naturally the expectation when you post a build is that discussion can happen.

[polar python]

You stated it. I didn't say "i think I've found the literal best Hera build, prove me wrong"

I was just sharing a build I found enjoyable and somewhat op

[cunning urchin]

I didn't say anywhere that the way you play was wrong or anything like that. I simply suggested an alternative since you suggested that you enjoyed its high damage.

[polar python]

Yes, first you made a suggestion, which was fine, and then you started to lecture me like i had never tried other builds and didn't know how crush shot worked. Next time, if you don't want to risk coming across as condescending, try something like "Have you tried crush shot, I think it gives better results" to which I would have said "yes, it's great but I was playing about with Artemis and was surprised how good it was" and that's the end of the exchange.

[cunning urchin]

Anyway, this is getting off-topic.

[valid dagger]

Phalanx Hera op

[polar python]

Also true

[mild thicket]

look at victory boasting for inspiration

Last time i checked that channel there was a screenshot from 45 heat run that took 11 minutes thats not inspirational thats depressing and why i dont play hades anymore

[cunning urchin]

Why?

[proven osprey]

Don't worry about that. You'll progress at your own pace, like everyone.
It seems very far and can be discouraging, but it's not, really

[bronze marten]

what works for me is if i see a cool build from one of those crazy heat runs, i'll try the same build at like 20-32 heat depending on how confident i feel - keeps the game fresh

[valid dagger]

I hope that wasn't me

👀

[mild thicket]

(it was you)

[cunning urchin]

I don't really get what's depressing about it.

[hearty elbow]

This approach makes perfect sense, so yeah, you do you. If you can't make it work at lower heat why kill yousrelf

[hearty elbow]

It's pretty common for people to see people who've already spent a million hours doing something and think "well I could never do that"

[valid dagger]

Don't copy Ledger's builds or you'll end up with an upside down Rama

[hearty elbow]

Which is why watching heat players streaming instead of recording their wins is so gratifying--you get to watch people fail (well, normal people, so like, not bablo or Tailesque lol)

[bronze marten]

i rather go in that 20-32 window depending on how spicy i feel, i may do 40 for beo soon but i needed a few get-right runs after blowing a few high heat at the end in a row

[hearty elbow]

LOL i'm sure someone has seen a "well I can make this work" AP2 build at high heat and assumed that's what you should be aiming for

[bronze marten]

i'll also take em4 a good amount

just because the song is super based

[cunning urchin]

If somebody put in a lot of effort to get a win at high heat or whatever, why would that be depressing? Why not just be happy for them?

[hearty elbow]

Depressing if you want to improve. The gap seems insurmountable

It would be like deciding to pick up a fighting game or something at the very end of it's life cycle, then doing random matches in ranked online

[bronze marten]

this game is a one player game

the community is helpful

[cunning urchin]

There will always be people way ahead of you when you pick up something.

[bronze marten]

if youre looking at it as a competition, sure, tom brady would smoke you in football

he'd smoke me too

[hearty elbow]

Lol I'm not arguing this, I'm merely explaining how someone could feel inadequate or depressed over other people's accomplishments

[bronze marten]

if you aspire to be a golfer, i'd recommend not doing that

same idea here

this game is about your own journey

[hearty elbow]

It's a toxic mindset for literally any competitive anything

But it's a common one

[stark lake]

cursed slash is really good

[bronze marten]

if you have done 5 heat

then you do 10

thats great

its a big improvement

[cunning urchin]

@hearty elbow I just find that kind of response when somebody is happy about and sharing a personal achievement very off-putting.

[turbid needle]

any good aspects for demeter as a god-? i havent used her much

[hearty elbow]

Yeah I said it's toxic lol

[valid dagger]

Achilles with Demeter Cast

[hearty elbow]

Cast builds love them some Snow Burst

[valid dagger]

Let the memeing begin

[hearty elbow]

An yeah, Achilles with Crystal Clarity is peak meme

[stark lake]

time to attempt to kill hades again

[terse thistle]

Demeter Poseidon and Zeus is absolutely monstrous on Chiron

[hearty elbow]

Wait huh. In what combination lol. Arctic Blast Chiron is pretty funny though

[sterile fiber]

Single dash HC HS Achilles is destroying my will to live

[proper furnace]

Randomizer moment?

[sterile fiber]

yep

[proven osprey]

fu

[hearty elbow]

[cunning urchin]

So, normal people like Baj.

Baj grinding 64 Heat: "I got to Elysium a handful of times."
My friend who just picked up Hades: "I got to Elysium!"

See? Perfectly relatable.

[sterile fiber]

I mean that's just the natural skill progression experience

[valid dagger]

I remember watching Astaos do Arthur 50 heat, good times

[sterile fiber]

wait I WON -> 32 is crazy -> oh 32 isn't that bad -> hey let's do 32 on all weapons -> hmm.... 40????

[proven osprey]

well not really LOL

[terse thistle]

I got lightning attack, frozen flourish, flood shot and tidal dash. Couple duo boons and…. It kinda stonk

[round helm]

What's a good build for adamant rail (any aspect, low blood though)?

I've been trying to beat a run of any difficulty from 0-3 and I just can't, feels like I do no damage

I've also already tried every aspect, Zagreus is boring and does nothing, Eris demands I do a special every reload and feels clunky, Hestia is fun but does no damage past Asphodel, and Lucifer's mechanic does too little damage at low blood with the laser doing nothing in Elysium+

[worn solar]

rail is plenty fast even without upgrades https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/894824476632580114/Hades_10_4_2021_10_52_18_PM.png get zeus attack, jolted, a decent damage special, and tidal dash

this was literally a lvl 0 zag rail

most important hammers are rocket bomb and cluster bomb

hazard is good and triple bomb is decent

[bronze marten]

eris is all about the rhythm, and also put zeus attack on eris and get jolted early and you'll probably win lol its that busted at high blood and even lower blood still stronk

i use back buttons for cast and special which makes it silky smooth for me, but even if u dont wanna remap buttons or have the right knockoff third party controller

[round helm]

Feels like I'm playing melee rama bow without all the oneshot benefits though

or I just have to waste special to hit myself

[bronze marten]

thats the wrong way to look at it

just dumbfire your special

run towards it

and start shooting

then wehn bad guys get close, repeat

until you get upgrades dont worry about where the special hits

[round helm]

they're already close though, I have to fire it at them no?

[bronze marten]

with your regular bullets

the special buff is 15% global damage per level

thats a lot of damage

[worn solar]

maybe watch an eris rail speedrun

or high heat run or whatever

[bronze marten]

15 may not feel like a whole lot, but even level 2 or 3 eris youll notice

its basically the weapon everyone gets their first 32 heat clear with lol

[worn solar]

max is 75% which is absolutely huge

[round helm]

It's the only exagryph aspect I have at more than level 1 actually

The bonus damage is good, it just feels really weird to play a gun that requires me to be in front of the enemy and not move unless I got a dash

What about Hestia exagryph though?

[proper furnace]

You still can dash around the area of the special for eris

[worn solar]

hestia is great when upgraded

but low level reloading every attack isnt that great for dps

[worn solar]

well you can just fire the special, wait for it to almost land, then dash in and out

or just dash circles within the radius

[round helm]

Wouldn't that rely on you having greater reflex with +2 at least though?

[worn solar]

not really

id watch a video of eris in action

[round helm]

Dunno I think 2 dashes only sounds tragic for elysium and up with the ranges of most enemy attacks

[proper furnace]

2 dashes are more than enough

Unless serrated point ig

[round helm]

If I use them to get in and out of the special that already uses both my dashes though, and god forbid ||Hades|| got any melee attack ready

[worn solar]

id record one but i have classes soon

[proper furnace]

Most of the time i just walk to the special and if not close il dash

[hearty elbow]

It's probably a good thing looking forward to change your perspective on what exactly a dash is supposed to do. Hades really isn't a game where you can play from REALLY far back (Hestia and Chiron are exceptions rather than the rule). So you should be probably looking to spend your dashes to iframe attacks up close instead of creating distance.

[round helm]

I'd try playing Hades more like dark souls if the I-frames felt like they existed 50% of the time

I actually go athena dash very often to get a better feel

Also long range Rama with +3 dashes go brrrr

[hearty elbow]

Hades iframes like 1000x more generous than DS lol

It's basically the entire dash

[round helm]

Hell naw

I've beaten ds3 like 7 times and they are so much more generous

[worn solar]

you dont get i frames while dash striking btw

[rose siren]

well, DS games are a bit more generous with respawn as well

imagine each time u die u restart from beginning in DS

[round helm]

https://tenor.com/view/umm-confused-blinking-okay-white-guy-blinking-gif-7513882

[hearty elbow]

Beat me to it. They were playing Eris, I suspect they never let go of the attack button

[round helm]

Oh that's probably why

[hearty elbow]

👍 Try it out next time 🙂

[round helm]

Im just more used to spamming dash strike with any weapon to try and do as much damage as possible

[strange lark]

just get delta fire and then boom problem solved

[worn solar]

like youre canceling your dash to attack so no frames

also yeah delta helps

[hearty elbow]

You can still do this but your spacing has to be on point. It's definitely better to let go of the button to dash until you're really really comfy with attack animations.

Also, you can reload + dash cancel

[round helm]

I did know this one

[worn solar]

in general i more of dash out of the attack direction to begin with so i can actually maintain attack dps. also harder to react and i frame with fo2

[hearty elbow]

That's a whollle separate issue though lol. FO2 is a big jump

[round helm]

Harder to dash out of the attack when it's 3x the size of the boss and circular

[hearty elbow]

Yeah they're right. Dashing out of some attacks is just not super likely to happen, especially if you want to keep your damage up

[round helm]

Anyway I just managed to beat a single rail run with the Zeus eris build

Time to bench this weapon forever

[worn solar]

yeah with dad its definitely good to be conserving dashes to i frame and commit attacks after his own

[cunning urchin]

To be fair, you don't really need to i-frame anything when you play Eris.

[round helm]

Tbh the lesson I'm getting from this is just get athena's dash every single run unless you are going bow

[cunning urchin]

No, Tidal Dash on Eris 100%.

And put poms on that.

[round helm]

Why tho?

[worn solar]

just knock everything away from you lol

[round helm]

Why would I want to knock anything away when it doesn't work on bosses?

[cunning urchin]

The knockback doesn't matter too much except for extra wall-slam damage.

You just want the damage from Tidal Dash.

[round helm]

I literally have 70 hours and 70 tries at the game and I've yet to understand why you'd ever get any attack boon from poseidon

[cunning urchin]

He has the highest damage Dash with amazing pom scaling.

[worn solar]

seastorm, wall slam damage

[round helm]

If I wanted to do damage with the dash I'd just go athena dash with merciful end on Malphon's

[cunning urchin]

Sea Storm isn't really important on Eris.

[worn solar]

nice to have though but mostly from poseidon special yeah

[sterile fiber]

dash boon, not attack boon. The only time you willingly get Poseidon's regular attack boon is Lucifer memery

[hearty elbow]

Honestly, just try out Tidal Dash on Eris before making a judgment. You don't need to iframe what was never alive in the first place.

[cunning urchin]

No, from Flood Shot. You wouldn't want Tempest Flourish on Eris.

[worn solar]

or that

[cunning urchin]

But he has better boons that you'd want instead of a second core boon.

[round helm]

What does it even have to do with Eris though? Feels like we're just putting a boon because it's strong in general instead of it working well with the weapon

[hearty elbow]

It gets damage bonus from Eris buff

[keen geode]

On eris you would want Aphrodites flourish one I think

[hearty elbow]

Also Tidal Dash keeps things around the ideal distance for Eris to keep safely pewpewing

Just incidentally

[keen geode]

Bc that would make the special powerful and make you actually really want to use it

[cunning urchin]

I mean "because it's strong in general" is a very good reason. And it doesn't knock enemies out of your range like it would on Malphon, for example.

[worn solar]

yeah aphro is prefered for the damage and smouldering air

[cunning urchin]

Any decent % Special is good on Eris, just not Tempest Flourish so much because of the knockback. The Special will spread out enemies if you have Tempest Flourish, but you want them bunched up.

[hearty elbow]

But you really don't even need to be playing Eris to make Tidal Dash work. It does a million damage (either with rarity or poms) on every aspect, and is always a fair consideration, barring some examples like Fists or Triple Shot bow or whatever (and even then it's still fine)

[worn solar]

tidal dash gilgamesh

[keen geode]

If you're lucky Aphrodite gives like +100% or more

[hearty elbow]

You could have just said Gilgamesh :3

[round helm]

Aw damn*

[keen geode]

And with poms you can get it close to +200%

Then with cluster bomb, you're doing like hundreds of damage in seconds

[hearty elbow]

Artemis also works really well for that slot. ZAP Eris really doesn't... need Smoldering Air lol, and Artemis can give you Support Fire too, which also helps build call charge

[cunning urchin]

Your Special boon is not really such a big priority on Eris tbh. Lightning Strike, Static Discharge, and Tidal Dash come first. And then you're just taking whatever you can get on Special that's decent.

That's generally the meta and has been for awhile.

[hearty elbow]

People argue that higher damage specials are better with cluster rockets, but like... if you get cluster rockets your run is already solved. Even boonless

[cunning urchin]

Yeah lol. And which % Special you get isn't gonna make that big of a difference at that point.

5 Rockets are gonna one-shot things regardless if you shot-gun them.

There are aspects where going for DPS over anything can be very difficult if you're not experienced with the aspect or the game. But Eris is honestly so easy to play that going for max DPS is both the safest and the fastest way to play.

At least until very high heats.

[hearty elbow]

It tends to fall off a cliff in terms of ease of play around 50 lol, but before that, Eris go brrr

[keen geode]

But you can't do max call with smoldering air right?

That makes aphro call pretty trash

[hearty elbow]

There are very few calls you want to do max call on anyway

[cunning urchin]

No, it doesn't make it trash at all.

[worn solar]

yeah but you dont need max call

[keen geode]

Max call gives 2500 damage on aphro

[worn solar]

smouldering aphro is good for getting not smacked in the face by dad

[cunning urchin]

Aphrodite's Aid with Smoldering Air has carried a lot of high heat runs.

[keen geode]

Otherwise aphro call does no dmg

[worn solar]

but tbh you can i frame with other calls anyways

eris already is all the damage you need

but zeus and dio special are great at one charge for damage

[keen geode]

Dio call is actually worse on max call

Bc it's so wasted

[cunning urchin]

I see someone has never watched Theseus and Asterius kill each other in seconds or a Chariot take out a whole enemy wave for you.

Charming Theseus during his initial Call is always entertaining when Asterius is still around.

[keen geode]

Wait no I haven't

[worn solar]

yeah max calls in general can easily be wasted if you already have lots of damage due to immune phases

[proper furnace]

Charm is a fun effect

[hearty elbow]

At higher heats, the safety that 4 Aphro lesser calls would give you would likely equate to more than 2500 damage

[keen geode]

Oh ok that's cool

[cunning urchin]

Definitely if they charge that fast.

You're getting more than 4 Lesser Calls in the time you'd normally get one Greater Call if you have Smoldering Air.

[sterile fiber]

do you charm right before the call, or right after

[cunning urchin]

Just any time during.

[hearty elbow]

The only calls that are really worth doing at max are Artemis and maybe Athena and Poseidon, but even those are probably better spent keeping you safe with lesser

It's actively a disaster if you ever use Zeus, Dio, or Demeter calls at Greater

And it's a disaster if you have Ares' Aid at all

[cunning urchin]

At least I think so. I don't really think about what m doing anymore when I play, it's mostly just intuition at this point.

[hearty elbow]

You don't really have to time it, just throw it out there lol

[cunning urchin]

Demeter's Aid and Zeus' Aid at Greater Call are pretty good.

[worn solar]

epic ares call with all three blade rift boons was fun though it was low heat

[sterile fiber]

Zeus max call isn't bad if you can stay near enemies during the whole duration

[hearty elbow]

Yeah I agree, that's the condition

For me I have difficulty keeping myself at that range for even the duration of a lesser call sometimes lol

[sterile fiber]

Dio max is weird because it's only good if you have a really large amount of enemies, but if you use his lesser call enough you're not getting to that point

[hearty elbow]

So I'd prefer the 4x iframe uses and more flexible usage over the duration multiplier

[cunning urchin]

The main problem is that bosses always phase before you can get the full Zeus' Aid damage lol. Except for EM4 phase 2 or phase 3.

[hearty elbow]

This is just not the case though. You get an incredible amount more damage for 4x lesser Dio than Greater

[proven osprey]

Charging a full call

[hearty elbow]

Across the board

[sterile fiber]

tbt one time I used Lady Aphrodite's Greater call where Asterius was a smidge about half and only did 3 damage

[hearty elbow]

I've greater called my fair share of last phase Lernie bubbles

[proven osprey]

I used a full aphro call during phase 1 earlier today, I was at daddy's melee range

[cunning urchin]

You actually remember a specific single time when something like that happened?

[proven osprey]

the doomstone popped out of invisibility to tank it

[sterile fiber]

it was 1. the latest and 2. the most damage I've been cheated out of

[hearty elbow]

Pfffft, someone hasn't shown blue hearts who's boss on Rama

[sterile fiber]

??

[proven osprey]

Power shot the blue hearts

Assert dominance

[sterile fiber]

ah.
gaming

[cunning urchin]

Summon Meg and Sam on them.

[sterile fiber]

(I meant specifically boss phasing eating greater calls if that wasn't clear)

[cunning urchin]

It was clear.

But that won't stop us.

[hearty elbow]

Lol, nothing beats seeking big 2k with green ** 1.5k** and stripping 2 hearts off.

Take that numbskull

[proven osprey]

not even trap yeeting feat. Achilles?

[sterile fiber]

who's the second person

[strange lark]

sam

[cunning urchin]

1 trillion Speeder Savior Numbskulls VS 3 Nighty Night Bruiser Snakestones.

Who wins?

[sterile fiber]

skulls, unless the beams pierce

[cunning urchin]

Wrong.

[sterile fiber]

footage proof?

[cunning urchin]

Nighty Night Bruiser Snakestones never lose.

[sterile fiber]

can't wait for the next SGG game so I too can have the Early Access experience

[cunning urchin]

I wouldn't wish Bruiser Snakestones on my worst enemies.

But on some 1.0ers, that would be entertaining to watch.

[strange lark]

what did they do?

[cunning urchin]

Not die.

[strange lark]

bruh

[cunning urchin]

They just had way too much armor and HP lol.

[strange lark]

i wanna see a clip of this

[sterile fiber]

gods they already take 5 years to die right now

[cunning urchin]

And you can't stun them if they have armor.

I feel like their attack also tracked better? But I could be misremembering because we all had way less experience then.

But anyway they either killed you if you tried to go past them fast or the timer was gonna kill you.

Not a guaranteed run ender in every run, but 3x Bruiser Snakestones was the worst encounter you could run into in a tunnel. And that was just one wave lol.

[sterile fiber]

Oh you mean the green ones

[cunning urchin]

Killing EM3 Theseus and Asterius was faster than killing those things.

The average strength of aspects was also lower at the time.

[sterile fiber]

Nyaanyaa what timezone do you live in, because I feel like you're on here whenever I'm awake and also when I'm not

[cunning urchin]

It's 11:46 p.m. here.

[sterile fiber]

ah

[mild thicket]

Thats european time, only 1 hour difference from Moscow, heh.

Anyway

Is it me, or pressure points seems to never be worth it...?

[cunning urchin]

Pressure Points shines when you get Hunter's Mark.

[mild thicket]

Im not sure how

[cunning urchin]

Especially on something like Eris that does a lot of hits.

[fading panther]

Plus Support Fire

[cunning urchin]

Hunter's Mark pushes your crit chance way higher, especially with a couple poms on it or at high rarity.

You only need one crit from Pressure Points to proc Hunter's Mark and get the crits rolling.

It's also global, and crits are multiplicative. So that's good.

[sterile fiber]

what does crits are multiplicative mean

[lunar pulsar]

crit multiplier is applied separately to other damage boosts

[mild thicket]

Which means crits are Total Damage x 3

[lunar pulsar]

if you have a 100%, a 50% and a 60% damage boost you will get +210% extra damage

the crit is multiplied by the 210% instead of being added

[mild thicket]

As oppose to being +300% on top of other boons with +DMG% and getting diminishing returns

[sterile fiber]

ah

[keen geode]

Are any of the fists aspects any good

[worn solar]

demeter is good. gilga is kinda a meme but it works for dash builds

[keen geode]

Ok

What are good gods

Or boons

[worn solar]

uh merciful is generally good on fists

for not gilga, zeus attack and aphro special is good

[keen geode]

Ok makes sense

[worn solar]

gilga like poseidon dash ig and get poseidon and zeus in others slots for seastorm or zeus dash and get zeus/dio call and an aphro boon or smoulder

[terse thistle]

All I heard was more Crits and I love more Crits…

Fist aspects either Demeter or zag. Haven’t tested zag with the plume yet but I’m sure it’s pretty nasty. Today with Demeter I ended up having Artie on regular attack and I forgot the rest of the build but I did shred dad really fast.

[bright sandal]

Does Punishing Sweep apply the buff to dash attacks?

[proper furnace]

Ye

[bright sandal]

Cool cool

[worn solar]

i like how it doesnt increase spin attack damage

[sterile fiber]

The spin should make you sturdy by default

[split radish]

do dmg% boons increase damage from explosive return?

I know it can't crit, but can the damage be increased at all?

[lone jetty]

Yea, special damage % and global damage boosts will up it

As will Dashing Flight and maybe Charged Flight hammers

[sterile fiber]

lesson learned: watch where you dash, it's ok to take the spear back normally if it's somewhere bad. Also the tossed spear sets off spike traps

[rose siren]

hey, does Hermes Swift Strike and the Lucifer upgrade with infinite ammo work well?

[hearty elbow]

Eternal chamber doesn't really figure into that

But yeah swift strike is good on lucifer

If anything you want the ramp up if you're attacking faster. I think eternal chamber is usually a trap hammer

[split radish]

eternal chamber sounds good, doesn't feel good

[solemn pond]

When is Hermes even good btw

[hearty elbow]

Iframes kinda dece

[solemn pond]

Is there a weapon Hermes is particularly helpful with

[hearty elbow]

Greatest reflexes and hyper sprint are some of the best boons in the game bar none

[split radish]

literally all the time, more dashes are great, rush delivery w/ hyper sprint, auto reload, so many good boons

[hearty elbow]

Evasion, second wind, the cast boons if you're a cast build are also great

[split radish]

there's a reason you only usually get 3 hermes in a run y'know

[solemn pond]

Always felt disappointed in him except evade

[hearty elbow]

Lol 2.25 maybe.

That's already pushing it

[split radish]

3 extra dashes though

[hearty elbow]

Even with cf0

[split radish]

and his cast boons and legendary

hyper sprint alone is an amazing boon above common rarity

hell, even at common rarity it's good

[hearty elbow]

Eh rarity is kinda whatever on hyper sprint lol. Rarely actually matters. It's always always good

[solemn pond]

Eh. I feel pretty nonplussed about sprint personally

Maybe I'm just bad

[hearty elbow]

Mobility starts shining the more comfortable your mechanics get

[split radish]

yeah, mobility is incredibly important

[solemn pond]

I'll try some runs where I accept every Hermes chamber and see what's up

[hearty elbow]

But even for new players, extra dashes + divine dash is incredibly noticeable, and will likely carry many of your runs

[solemn pond]

The dashes are helpful sometimes yeah

Eh, I just got the ending with big mama coming home and yelling at dad lol. Never much cared for Hermes yet

[hearty elbow]

(also don't ignore Hermes chambers in general, otherwise they will keep coming up forever and overriding what would otherwise be other boon, heart, coin, or obol chambers)

[solemn pond]

But I'll try more

My absolute favorite is Daedalus hammer

[split radish]

Daedalus hammer is essentially always good

never bad unless cast build where sometimes boons are better

[hearty elbow]

Lol, sometimes on AP2 you skip hammers to not get screwed. This is fairly common for Sword in particular

Brick city, that weapon

[split radish]

oh god, I can imagine getting AP2'ed into cursed/flurry slash

y i k e s

[solemn pond]

AP2...?

[hearty elbow]

Approval Process 2

[solemn pond]

Ah, dunno what that is... I'm a casual.

[hearty elbow]

It's the garbage can icon. I think SGG knew what they were doing

(each rank reduces randomly your options per boon/hammer/pom offering by 1)

It's on par with the harshest conditions on the list

[solemn pond]

Not for me then lol

Hard pass

[hearty elbow]

Yeah it's not really... "For" anyone lol. People who push heat eventually need to take it.

[proper furnace]

i've seen people saying they want a more "classic" roguelilke feeling to the rng so they take it

[split radish]

masochists are everywhere

[bronze marten]

yep that is a restart haha

[hearty elbow]

Yeah I've also seen this. To each their own. (hot take original Rogue was one of the worst roguelikes)

[bronze marten]

I mean ocarina is primitive by today’s standards too tbf

[hearty elbow]

Yeah they're both on these weird nostalgia driven pedestals. Shrug

[bronze marten]

A game made 40 years ago isn’t gonna hold up to today’s standards

[proper furnace]

i really like hades consistency on builds tbh, most of the time i dont like the rng is when it doesnt give me that one extra boon for like what: 10% dmg increase lmao

stygian soul builds are other topic tho

[hearty elbow]

Consistency is nice but it's also dangerous if you have too much of it. If you always get the build you want it's not exciting when it happens

[bronze marten]

It feels like very few runs are unwinnable for sure

Not to say it’s gonna cooperate with your plans every time but it’s nice to not be screwed after a bad Tartarus (those runs always end up being the most satisfying to win, getting myself out of a jam)

[hearty elbow]

Without TDx, I really don't think unwinnable runs exist

There may be some corner cases like Arthur with Savior Cloner Numbskulls if you weren't able to get a damage dash

[proper furnace]

speaking of td i love how i never take it when not even taking weird pacts "just in case" and end up just fine

[rose siren]

if that's the case, maybe more people would post heat 58 run...

[sterile fiber]

[split radish]

[sterile fiber]

I just don't like making decisions sometimes

[turbid needle]

What is the best hammer combo for rocket

[proven osprey]

Cluster bomb

[shell sleet]

what's a good Arthur build

[turbid needle]

aphro atk athena dash

[shell sleet]

and hammer?

[turbid needle]

breaching, shadow and double edge are your best ones

[shell sleet]

alright thanks

[cunning urchin]

I really like Greater Consecration, too. It doesn't give you DPS, but it doubles down on the tanking that Excalibur is so good at.

[subtle star]

May not increase DPS, but does help you last more than a sec…

[raven swift]

yo, im doing an eris rail build but i dont know what keepsakes i should use (or get). anyone got any tips?

[mild thicket]

i dont think Artemis could be a bad choice, especially since Eris can make use of support fire, IIRC

[cunning urchin]

Start with Lightning Strike, then get Tidal Dash in Asphodel.

Pick up Static Discharge along the way.

And any decent % Special will do, but avoid Tempest Flourish. That knocks enemies away from your Special and spreads them out, but you want them bunched up instead to kill them all at once.

[terse thistle]

Once eris gets lightning strike and tidal dash it pretty much gets nasty. Cluster bomb and some static discharge, watch how fast things can die. Everything else is just bonus by then. Make sure the cast is something along the lines of true shot

[raven swift]

this almost got me my first clear, ty for the help!

[terse thistle]

If eris ain’t working Chiron is a good secondary option for ranged

[cunning urchin]

Make sure you put a lot of poms on your Dash and maybe 1-2 on Static Discharge.

And pick up a Call. Eris builds god gauge very fast, so having a Call is great.

[terse thistle]

Global damage go brr everything dies

[raven swift]

i feel i could have won if i got a call, had him down to 1/4 on second phase

aphrodite's coulda killed him

[terse thistle]

His second phase is more manageable just gotta learn the patterns more

[raven swift]

im starting to recognize them, usually make it to second phase every run now

just got caught lacking by his laser attack

[cunning urchin]

You can stand right on top of him when he does that.

[terse thistle]

FYI I learned recently at point blank his lasers can’t hit you. But if you’re having issues, pillar best friend

[raven swift]

oh

ill be sure to try it

[terse thistle]

Pillar very reliable. Almost never failed me

[raven swift]

that with cluster and deadly flourish would be insane

[terse thistle]

Yeah more or less, watch his health bar go bye

[raven swift]

damn, got a scripted beginning

one boon

[cunning urchin]

Oh, but that's good. That ensures Poseidon is already in your god pool.

[terse thistle]

Yep cause aside from Hermès only 4 god total and no more

[raven swift]

pool has zeus too pog

if it has artemis itll be perfect

[cunning urchin]

There's no such thing as a perfect god pool without Lady Aphrodite.

[hearty elbow]

Ehhh, being able to safely get your 3-hit combo counts as a DPS increase in my book. People give Consecration a bad rap. It's great.

[raven swift]

if i were to get her, what would i want for the eris build?

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Flourish and Smoldering Air.

Aphrodite's Aid. Sweet Surrender.

Life Affirmation is always great.

[terse thistle]

I love it, I don’t rely on that hammer upgrade as much as I used to, but it’s pretty pog. Plus seeing enemies slow down in the field and the aura plus that bullet time feel? Priceless

[muted vale]

What'd be a good build with Nemesis on Stygius?

[cunning urchin]

Deadly Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, Heart Rend, Hunter's Mark, and all the Strike and Lunge boons you can get from Master Chaos.

With some poms on Hunter's Mark.

Heartbreak Strike, Tidal Dash, and lots of poms on Dash.

[muted vale]

Ok, explain that in a way that someone could understand when they haven't memorized all the boon names.

I get the chaos boons

Hb strike is aphro attack... Poseidon dash....

Hunter's mark is that chance to target another enemy with a crit

What's deadly strike? Artemis attack?

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[muted vale]

What is hb flourish and heart rend?

Is that the crit on weak more?

[cunning urchin]

Flourish is Special.

Heart Rend is their Duo Boon, yes.

[bright rock]

What’s a good spear build?

[cunning urchin]

What aspect?

[bright rock]

zag

[muted vale]

Noice, so I use their keepsakes to get there?

[cunning urchin]

Yeah. One in Tartarus and the other in Asphodel.

@bright rock you probably wanna start Tidal Dash for a Dash-Strike build and look for Flurry Jab (first choice) or Exploding Launcher (second choice) from your first hammer.

Flurry Jab or otherwise: Deadly Strike (with Hunter's Mark), Heartbreak Strike, or Lightning Strike (with Static Discharge.

Exploding Launcher: Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish (with Hunter's Mark) and hopefully Charged Skewer second hammer.

Use Infernal Soul, so you can do Cast > Dash-Strike x2 > repeat until you pick up Flurry Jab or Exploding Launcher hopefully.

[bright rock]

i see , thanks ! :D

[cunning urchin]

And get plenty of poms on your Dash.

[shell sleet]

smouldering air aphrodite call

[muted vale]

@cunning urchin out of breaching slash, piercing wave, and world cutter, what's the best for this crit build?

I was gonna go breaching just cause armor sucks

I'd think maybe piercing wave cause the projectiles could count for separate crits?

[cunning urchin]

I'd take Piercing Wave.

Best hammer is Double Edge.

[muted vale]

Was my idea right? Projectiles can give separate crits?

Also which one is double edge?

[cunning urchin]

Your Dash-Strike hits twice and does +20% damage.

[muted vale]

Ooh, yeah that'd be good

[cunning urchin]

Pretty sure Piercing Wave isn't affected by any boons and definitely doesn't get the crit bonus from your aspect.

Well, it's affected by anything that adds global damage.

But the damage is really good either way.

[languid forum]

to get the friends forever achievement do i need to max rank hades' keepsake as well?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/763094477862207551/896409099112177744/unknown.png?width=1213&height=682

unless im being silly and ive missed one

[cunning urchin]

You haven't missed any.

[languid forum]

so should i get the achievement?

or do i need to max out hades' keepsake

[errant narwhal]

it is a standard keepsake, so yes

companions are not standard keepsakes so you shouldnt have to max them out

[languid forum]

ahh

i didnt think it was a standard keepsake as u unlock it later on in the story

thanks

[proven hill]

So uh, I'm assuming I'd go here to ask about stuff like how aspects and something like a Daedalus hammer interact.
I'm reading stuff online about how it's not that good, and some stuff about the combination messes up hitboxes, or something to that effect.
Is that combination of aspect and daedalus hammer buff broken, in the negative sense?

[errant narwhal]

um, which aspect, and which hammer?

[proven hill]

frick, sorry, forgot to mention.

Aspect of Demeter, and rush kick?

I'm getting conflicting statements no that combination when looking it up.

[worn solar]

well rush kick moves you quite a bit forward so i guess its possible to move past an enemy and not hit them with every special?

[proven hill]

So it's a bad pairing?

Huh, looks like the special, when charged, has the 2 hits come out right after each other

thought the combo would hit more than that many times.

Ohwell.

thanks for helping, guys

[cunning urchin]

It's not the most powerful hammer, but it works fine on the aspect. It's not bugged or anything.

[proven hill]

ok, thanks

[sterile fiber]

does the time limit for Lambent Plume go up if you take pacts like CP or JS?

[cunning urchin]

No.

[languid forum]

what is the best aspect to use to get a high percetange from teh butterfly

[valid dagger]

Hestia / Charged Skewer GY

[sterile fiber]

bow can also work but not as well as those 2

[languid forum]

kk thank you

[queen grove]

What is the most powerful

[unreal tree]

breaching cross

explosive upper 2nd

kinetic launcher 3rd

long knuckle 4th

everything else

[queen grove]

I personally hate the fists

My go to is either bow or sword

[proven hill]

Dunno if I'm using it right but I just really dislike the shield

something about it feels like it isn't satisfying or something

[split radish]

how are you using it?

oh, and what aspect

[proven hill]

using aspect of zeus

I typically throw out the shield and then rush in to attack the foe while the shield is still using damage.

[queen grove]

I use Charon for the bow

[proven hill]

been a couple days since I used it aind I've been playing a lot soo

Can't recall exactly

[queen grove]

It’s just

[proven hill]

wait were you talking to me bloob

[split radish]

yeah

[proven hill]

k

[split radish]

so, for Zeus the main thing is using Zeus special on it, then it's a game of managing recalling and sending out your special and also attacking/using your god call

[proven hill]

oh

[split radish]

ofc, there are many builds with zeus

Merciful End works great

[proven hill]

So it's primarily depending on using the special to do most of the damage?

Gonna try out a different aspect, then.

[split radish]

yeah, try using mostly the special and managing your blocks and bull rushes

if you don't like special on shield, 2/4 aspects would not be fun for you lol

[proven hill]

I'll see if Chaos works better

Oh

I just don't like the idea of having to have the special do most of the work.

As in

[split radish]

ahh

[queen grove]

My fav build is the Charon bow,relentless volley,Demeter or Dionysus special and artemis (the hunter I belive Artemis is her name) call

The range damage is mad

[proven hill]

Having to sit there while the zeus shield plinks at the foe

[split radish]

well, chaos would still be alright

[proven hill]

That make sense?

[queen grove]

Especially with full call

[split radish]

its mostly spreading debuffs with Chaos, like Doom or Hangover

[proven hill]

Nice.

[split radish]

then you use attacks and blocks inbetween

[proven hill]

So huh.

Ig I could try it

[split radish]

zagreus aspect is self-explanatory

increases attack damage by a considerable amount

[queen grove]

I wanna know everyone’s fav weapon

[split radish]

Zeus Shield

[proven hill]

Fists, easy.

Demeter.

I love how fast the attacks come out.

[split radish]

Demeter fists are so fun

[proven hill]

[valid dagger]

Probably Beowulf

[split radish]

especially w/ ME or smoldering air

[queen grove]

I hate them

[proven hill]

Especially with Support Fire

[proven hill]

good for you

You said so just now

[queen grove]

It’s up to play style tbf

[split radish]

cool

[queen grove]

Yeah I’m not saying they’re bad I’m just saying I’m bad with them

I just end up getting hit

[proven hill]

Ok.
I may be dumb or I may just have bad eyes.
Does releasing the bull rush at its apex do any more damage?

[queen grove]

Wazzat

[split radish]

not, just the max

[proven hill]

Than releasing it like a split second after

[split radish]

nah

[proven hill]

okie

[split radish]

there's a hammer that makes it do that

[proven hill]

Was concerned it may

[queen grove]

There is a hammer that makes it flash

[proven hill]

part of why I dislike the bow

[queen grove]

If you can time the flash tho

The damage

[split radish]

it's just muscle memory, bow clicked w/ me fast and I love it

[valid dagger]

4th Shield

[queen grove]

Yeah

[queen grove]

Oh I deadass just unlocked spear 4

Also I’m tryna get the dusa companion

How tf did I get meg before

Also I have talked to dusa so much and given her ambrosia

Wait nvm

[split radish]

dusa is wayy harder to get and is worse than ||Skelly, Than, or Achilles/Patty's companion|| her storyline is fun though

[split radish]

you need to give her 2, 3, then 4 ambrosia

[queen grove]

JESUS

[sterile fiber]

bows not called Chiron, Zeus Shield, Achilles Spear, Hestia rail
maybe Zag bow if I have to pick just 1

[queen grove]

She gets all shy near u then demands all ur ambrosia and ur left kidney

[split radish]

nah, she gives it back at the end for reasons

[queen grove]

There is a Chiron aspect I swear

[manic ridge]

achilles spear

[queen grove]

It’s the one where all the arrows focus on them

[queen grove]

Nice

[sterile fiber]

yeah I mean all the bows except Chiron

[manic ridge]

gotta love zoomin around the room

[queen grove]

Oh

[queen grove]

The Chiron one is the one I use

[split radish]

okay, hot take Chiron is a boring aspect to play

[terse thistle]

Chiron is chefs kiss.

[queen grove]

I love using it tho

[queen grove]

THIS GUY GETS IT

[sterile fiber]

full take: #h1-discussion message

[queen grove]

It’s good when u match the boons right

[terse thistle]

I got two clears before the credits on my last file with Chiron. It just works

[split radish]

• looks at chaos shield placing * BLASPHEMY

[manic ridge]

what

why is chaos shield so low

[sterile fiber]

might move Zag spear up a little once I play it more

[worn solar]

chaos ew

[queen grove]

I haven’t completed hades yet

[manic ridge]

its so fun just like throwing it and having it bounce everywhere

with zeus

[queen grove]

I got him on so low and then somehow died behind a wall with his laser attack

That can’t go through walls

[worn solar]

beo and zeus shield exist. smh

[queen grove]

No skull explosion

[sterile fiber]

short answer: I don't like it
long answer: I can't aim the extra shields well and if I miss they take 5 years to tour the room and come back, leaving me attack-less in the meantime

[valid dagger]

It’s not like it does good dmg anyway

[queen grove]

I do like it but zeus>chaos

[manic ridge]

ya but its fun

[worn solar]

also beo > chaos

[sterile fiber]

Zag > chaos

Chaos is fun for hearing Master Chaos' commentary though

entropy

[worn solar]

zag has better dash strike damage for ME

[queen grove]

The sword is a nice weapon to use

The hammer boons from what I’ve seen aren’t the best

World splitter🤢

It’s just well done you now have two special attacks

[sterile fiber]

There are 2 categories of sword hammers. Double Edge, and not Double Edge

[worn solar]

alot of sword hammers are just worse than hammerless

[queen grove]

Yeah

New question

[sterile fiber]

though Flurry is memey, and Arthur's exclusive hammer is nice

[queen grove]

What’s everyone’s fav song from hades

[queen grove]

Wazzat

Arthur’s

[sterile fiber]

I bought this game because of Lament of Orpheus

[queen grove]

That’s one of my favs

[valid dagger]

Breaching is gud

Shadow gud

[sterile fiber]

increases the special aura's radius. probably buffs it as well

Shadow is fun with Arthur when played well

[queen grove]

Mine is death and I, the bloodless or no escape

The king and the bull gives me ptsd

It’s aids with the bow

Because you get blocked by Theseus and then abused by the minataur

[split radish]

this is my take on aspects (aspects are not ordered in ranks)
https://imgur.com/a/3i04vNz

[languid forum]

arthur isnt that bad

[split radish]

its mediocre imo, pretty fun though

[unreal tree]

Try spread fire zag rail

The damage is nuts with ME or crit

[split radish]

Doom on attack?

[unreal tree]

Ye

[split radish]

alright, sadly I can't forced spread fire

[unreal tree]

[split radish]

time to sudoku 40 times

[unreal tree]

Unmodded moment

[split radish]

Switch Moment

[unreal tree]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523774570394681344/875365754671865886/dusavibe.gif

[queen grove]

What’s the 1st amazing tier

[split radish]

Beowulf, Zeus, Achilles, Rama, Eris

Beowulf is a hidden aspect

[hearty elbow]

Achilles is kind of a spicy take but I can respect it

I assume you must be playing on KBM then :3

[split radish]

switch for life

[hearty elbow]

Hestia should definitely be there at least.

[split radish]

hmmm

I might consider that

[worn solar]

hestia

[split radish]

I knew you would show up at the mention of hestia

just because I wanted to, I made a Duo tier list too (ordered in ranks from best to worst. also this is just my opinion)
https://imgur.com/a/koCMed1

[valid dagger]

Try some ice wine

Gud stuff

[split radish]

yeah, that'll probably be my next run

[valid dagger]

Well it does look kind of reasonable

[hearty elbow]

I tried. Kinda. http://imgur.com/gallery/tnpYiCf

[proper furnace]

I like how sci feast is on great and rod on good even tho they are basically the same

[valid dagger]

I actually never thought about that now I cant unsee it

Cursed

[split radish]

oh they are?

lmao

[hearty elbow]

Rod tends to do more work than feast on average for me lol. It's actively great in big Elysium rooms and Heroes.

[split radish]

that's a mistake, both should be in great probably a misclick

[proper furnace]

Similar enough
Sci feast is lighting over the festive fog area and rod is over the dropped cast

[split radish]

nah, I meant I didn't know they were on different tiers

[proper furnace]

Oh

[hearty elbow]

Rod's range is like... An entire screen though lol. If you have Jolted it does work

[proper furnace]

Rod with aphro cast is fun

Easy to put down your casts

[split radish]

so you just put down the casts and let the lightning kill anything that comes close, right

[valid dagger]

I just hate rod for some reason

[split radish]

hammer tier list

[valid dagger]

I really don’t know if this is a thing or not but I cant pick up casts for the life of me when I have Lightning Rod

[hearty elbow]

It is a thing yes

Drastically shortens the pickup range

[proper furnace]

I used to hate rod because i liked sea storm a bit too much when you could get it with poseidon dash

[split radish]

do non-poseidon knockback attacks trigger rupture?

[valid dagger]

I took lightning rod while doing a beo run today, gave up and switched to this lol #h1-victory-boasting message

[split radish]

1 cast based

[proper furnace]

1 cast is a mood

[valid dagger]

I thought it would be a dead run because no chaos but kept going anyway

Trippy too good

[split radish]

trippy flare is~~ buggy~~ good

[proper furnace]

The other day got a mom keepsake start with trippy flare lvl 8 out of aspho, kinda nice

Featured a failed tartarus erebus gate tho

[split radish]

imagine not failing every erebus gate you take smh

[proper furnace]

The amount of ch1 erebus i resetted

[split radish]

:0 chaos cast ch2 with a curse that doesn't matter

[cunning urchin]

Fidi helps a lot with Erebus. Rib is also great.

[split radish]

is there a damage cap?

[terse thistle]

Ok…. I was sorely mistaken…. Doom and hangover goes together even better than I expected… I ended dad so fast this time

Duo boons didn’t hurt either.

Curse of nausea and splitting headache. Chefs kiss

[sterile fiber]

that onion codex isn't gonna finish itself, might as well

[cunning urchin]

Nope.

[split radish]

can you get mirage shot and sci feast with ice wine or are they incompatible?

[worn solar]

ive gotten ice wine and sci together. shouldnt be a reason for mirage to be incompatible

[sterile fiber]

I got Mirage and Ice Wine together

[split radish]

alright, thanks

[sterile fiber]

looking forward to your mega cast run

[split radish]

oh wait, I just realised I can only have either Sci or Mirage Shot unless I force a Zeus/Arty in Elysium and get Poseidon

Mirage is harder to get at this point without a natural Poseidon but is at least a single league better than sci

welp, I tried for mirage and got given Athena

[gritty shuttle]

I just won with the beefiest attack ever on arthur
Heartbreak strike lvl 4: 161%
Maimed Strike: 58%
Shadow Slash: 200% from behind
Is there a dmg cap or something cuz i was doing 1000+ damage on the final combo hit

[cunning urchin]

No damage cap.

@queen gulch there are no "must-haves" really, but Deep Pockets, Dark Foresight, and Fated Persuasion are used in like 99% of speedruns and high heat runs.

[queen gulch]

OH HEY THANKS FOR THE TIP

[gritty shuttle]

The two re roll perks are so annoying to max out

Its like 7k darkness or smth

[terse thistle]

Quality perks don’t come cheap

[bronze marten]

Max out persuasion first, authority is kinda limited in its value

[bronze marten]

In theory sure but getting all of those gods is gonna be tricky, as is getting the duos you need. But scintillating and ice wine does stack

[proven osprey]

It's not that hard since trippy shot is the common prerequisite for both duos

[languid forum]

what is teh easiest way to get the bad call achievement

[cunning urchin]

Just walk on magma or something, I guess.

[languid forum]

is there a way of forcing trial of teh gods

[hearty elbow]

Nope. Though I'd say it's basically guaranteed you'll get at one trial per run.

[proven hill]

I've gotten multiple trial-less runs, at least.

[cunning urchin]

Technically your odds are better with Fated Authority, but it probably doesn't make a very big difference.

But try to get a boon from a second god as soon as possible. You can't find a trial until you have boons from at least 2 gods.

[proven hill]

There a spreadsheet out there for base chances for what you'll get from a room?

[cunning urchin]

If you only have boons from 2 gods, and you have a Call from one of them, then it's guaranteed that any god trial will have those two gods and that you have a chance to use your Greater Call during their trial.

[proven hill]

Dang, really?

That's dope

[cunning urchin]

Nope. But it's 50/50 for gold laurel rewards vs cobalt laurel rewards, and 70/30 if you have Dark Foresight maxed.

[proven hill]

So gold/cobalt is just a coinflip?

[cunning urchin]

Essentially.

[proven hill]

Huh, could've sworn it was weighted towards cobalt

[cunning urchin]

Pretty sure something like a Chaos Gate also counts as having taken a gold laurel reward, so that might be why you think that. But Dark Foresight means you'll hardly see any cobalt laurel rewards anyway.

[lone jetty]

It is early on, but as you move towards Elysium the weighting tilts toward gold

[cunning urchin]

Miniboss rewards will always be boons unless it's a Satyr tunel.

[proven hill]

I'm definitely gonna max out dark foresight

I'm already on that path.

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, the builds that we can do now regularly with Dark Foresight are pretty broken compared to what we could do in Early Access when Dark Foresight wasn't a thing.

[proven hill]

Was it a thing that dropped with 1.0?

[cunning urchin]

No, it came earlier, it was just bugged and didn't work at all lol.

Until 1.0.

[proven hill]

So it was a blank space for awhile?

Rip

[cunning urchin]

Basically.

A Darkness sink that didn't give anything.

[proven hill]

yea, that sucks

[cunning urchin]

Didn't really bother me, I thought the balance was fun then.

The lucky builds that were "broken" then are pretty much what a standard build for an experienced player now looks like.

[proven hill]

Ah

[sterile fiber]

so uh
How does one deal with HL2 JS2 FO1 Speeder Slugger Longspears in a small room with fists

[hearty elbow]

Spears can be stunlocked at least. Brightswords are the big question.

[sterile fiber]

Even with armor?

[cunning urchin]

Circle them, build your Gigagutter where you can with Attacks, then use that for the big damage.

[sterile fiber]

(was on gilga but thanks for future refs)

[hearty elbow]

You can get some punches in after their animations, build up Demeter charge, strip armor then stunlock.

Life is hard for non Demeter fists lol.

I have no advice for Speeder Brightswords. "good thing you have Stubborn Defiance"

[sterile fiber]

rip
Fair

[round helm]

are % added or multiplied in this game?

[cunning urchin]

Generally additive.

https://hades.gamepedia.com/Damage_Calculation

[round helm]

aight I just got 500% backstab damage then I guess

700% on crit

[stark lake]

triple shot + flurry shot on the bow = the spread gun from contra

change my mind

[proven hill]

Yo does exit wounds work with aspect of Poseidon?

[worn solar]

ye

[proven hill]

As in does each proc of exit wounds occur when i smack the bloodstone outta them?

Oh sweet!

Thanks!

[unreal tree]

Yeah its a pretty cool synergy

[proven hill]

Yo I also got mirage shot pog

This is gonna rock!

[split radish]

gods pride is a scam, all the epic boons I got were useless other than the cast and I got 0 of the duos I tried for

meanwhile with gods legacy I obliterate Hades in 45 seconds

[fading nymph]

you get epic boons?

[split radish]

[proven hill]

Hey. Does greater recall mesh with Aspect of Poseidon?

And exit wounds and stuff

Wait, does it make it so that a cast comes back into me soon as it leaves the foe?

[split radish]

if you're playing actively and pulling out casts with special, it doesn't work super well but it's good as a bit of insurance

[split radish]

no

that's Hermes' legendary

[proven hill]

Yeah

I got that

[split radish]

ohh

[proven hill]

That's showing up as an option

[split radish]

greater recall I got mixed up with auto recall

yeah, take it

legendary is a legendary

unless there's a better option?

[proven hill]

It was new for one

[split radish]

what other boons are being offered

[proven hill]

Oh huh

I already took it

Looks like it's perfect

[split radish]

that's fine

it's pretty good

[proven hill]

Yeah, I'm running a cast build with Styg's Aspect of Poseidon.

[split radish]

what cast?

[proven hill]

Artemis.

Also got mirage shot too.

You know would it be easier to show my skill list

[terse thistle]

Tried out hera with aphro cast… so far so good

[polar python]

Question: Can you get Quick Return with Trippy Flair on Beowulf? I've been running Beo/Dio for a few runs and never saw it offered.

[split radish]

does anyone have a guide for Hera? I can't figure out the aspect super well, don't know what casts are optimal or if there are any special tricks like on Beo

[split radish]

the legendary?

[proper furnace]

need to use hermes keepsake

assuming the legendary

[split radish]

isn't there a normal prereq

[proper furnace]

beo cant get flurry or quick reload

[polar python]

Anything which reduces the time the casts are unavailable.