iron locust
Hunting Blades has some insane god gauge gain
#h1-builds-and-combat
untold cape
Do you have a default chance to crit on attacks without the Artemis boons?
acoustic vale
No
untold cape
weird but ok, thanks
acoustic vale
Well, unless you're using the two aspects with them
untold cape
nah... without aspects
acoustic vale
Then no
untold cape
Got it, ty again
acoustic vale
<3
steel gorge
what's good on the chaos shield
vivid crow
Ares, Dio, or Zeus on the special
Personally it only feels good at a high rank since you get more shields
steel gorge
I'm just trying to get the hidden aspect
anyway thanks
is privileged status necessary
steel gorge
ah good
marble shore
Try chaos shield with athena on special, it's really fun
sterile fiber
how do you use beowulf
Load all your casts into it, bull rush into enemies to nuke them
sterile fiber
Yeah but some are better (Aphrodite, Poseidon, Dionysus) than others
steel gorge
so charging into enemies will apply the effect of the cast?
what does demeter's cast do lol
sterile fiber
Charging will cause your casts to be cast at the end of the rush
explode into ice, maybe, never tried
sterile fiber
Yeah
Also from the high heat channel:
btw newest beo tech discovered this morning: trippy flare gets 2x value from poms
Also Mirage Shot on Beowulf makes the second cast do the same damage as the first iirc
steel gorge
oh interesting
steel gorge
Also from the high heat channel:
> btw newest beo tech discovered this morning: ...
is there a full build I should try
solar dawn
For infernal soul try passion/flood flare into mirage shot, really high damage especially with passion flare
steel gorge
I need to get a few more titan blood before I can try it
solar dawn
Stygian you can do trippy flare with mirage shot and scintillating feast (a bit ambitious) and relies a little on chaos
solar dawn
Infernal is more consistent in my experience since you don't really need chaos for it
But if you get lucky with chaos boons stygian is so strong
steel swan
which one is better
if i'm not building around my cast i usually run stygian
unless i'm doing beowulf/hera with dio cast or hunting blades
blade rift and trippy shot take a million years to drop the bloodstone with infernal
steel gorge
I tried hera and was terrible at it
steel swan
matter of practice honestly
proper furnace
You dont need levels on beo tbh
It only makes the rush stronger
sterile fiber
Me: I want Smoldering Air
Hermes: we have Smoldering Air at home
Smoldering Air at home: Quick Favor
torn harness
Thoughts on a weapon build for fists? Maybe my play style but it just becomes a cast build.
lucid oar
Ares attack, athena special and dash, merciful end
proper furnace
epic jolted or splitting bolt?
demeter fists with lightning strike and zeus call as form of lightning
also 14 heat, no speedrunning
lucid oar
Splitting bolt
opaque hare
Also from the high heat channel:
> btw newest beo tech discovered this morning: ...
what?
proper furnace
poms on trippy flare gives more damage than it shows
lucid oar
Yeah so level 1 to level 2 is advertised as being 100 -> 160 damage, it is actually 100 -> 220 damage
opaque hare
time to play beo
limber flax
does rocket bomb and cluster bomb work together?
proper furnace
Yup
jovial fulcrum
yeah, very
bright fossil
which cast works best with Hera bow?
proper furnace
cast
solar dawn
Just wait, it comes out really quick with max rank hera bow
proper furnace
Hera already has less cooldown to get your cast back, and hermes has a boon that decreases that time even further)
proper furnace
Mirage shot/smoldering with zeus/dio maybe/heart rend if you get hunter's mark or PP
Exit wound is less damage that you think tbh
proper furnace
You kill normal enemies with your casts more often so it does nothibg and in bosses you can get then to reach a mid phase and the casts drop without doing damage
bright fossil
ah i see
proper furnace
Athena with parting shot is always an option too
solar dawn
iirc parting shot on phalanx is weird too, backstabs from the front or soemthing weird like that
bright fossil
i suck at uh back stabbing
so i heard something about athena cast on hera can cheat that
proper furnace
Athena cast has weird hitbox, yeah
proper furnace
Can also use Dio cast with stygian soul
proper furnace
Fair
For hanmers get twin/triple to get more damage while your casts are lodged too
*hammers
bright fossil
so choose the ones power up your attack
so similar to Beowulf eh
Just faster but no shield
spiral horizon
So, I use Athena for tartarus, but any tips on what keepsakes to use beyond tartarus?
bright fossil
Well Beowulf cant make you proc Posei Zeus duo or smth?
spiral horizon
Proc?
proper furnace
Either aphro or zeus depending on the duo you want then things like acorn/charon keepsake for elusium and styx
bright fossil
So, I use Athena for tartarus, but any tips on what keepsakes to use beyond tart...
i usually use a second god for second zone then use Acorn for the rest
proper furnace
Oh yeah for hera check charon wells a lot
solar dawn
I think sea storm doesnt work on flood flare, but not 100% sure
bright fossil
+50% cast damage and +1 cast is great
kinda hard when uh i pick more gold cost
solar dawn
Flood flare works with sea storm
oh ok cool ty
bright fossil
did they fix that?
before someone told me to not go for Seastorm on Beowulf because it doesnt work properly
lucid oar
It still procs off the attack and bull rush
spiral horizon
What's yalls favorite 1-2 heats
lucid oar
Not as good as mirage shot, and definitely not worth prioritising
spiral horizon
I always have been going for the more enemies for heat 1
Rn I'm messing around with the timed run
lucid oar
I like tight deadline
spiral horizon
Yeah TD for 1 is going nicely
open heron
Basically just tight deadline, the other ones are all more impactful
Kinda just pick what I'm feeling
spiral horizon
Okay new question, favorite aspect for spear?
I've been trying to kinda get use outta Guan Yu but
Is it the best?
lucid oar
Achilles is best for speedrunning
lucid oar
Guan Yu is good but it's not the best
The special is very good
Especially with charged skewer
sterile fiber
I don't play any spear not called Achilles
sterile fiber
after you special and do the charge, next 4 attacks and/or casts do bonus dmg
lucid oar
Just tap special twice
sterile fiber
and then spam attack
spiral horizon
Ohhh right
I forgot about the retrieval for normal spear lol
Guan Yu run has got me all confused
I lowkey wanna botch this run and start over but I'm already nearly halfway thru
cunning urchin
@bright fossil I wrote a Crush Shot Hera guide here: #h1-discussion message
bright fossil
tks bud
turbid needle
How exactly does Sigil of the Dead work? I see it grants invisibility but what affect does that have on enemies/bosses?
bright fossil
dumb question what is snow burst?
proper furnace
They stop targetting you while invisible/unseen
Grants +100% damage during its durantion and bonus speed
proper furnace
dumb question what is snow burst?
Demeter boon, gives a explosion around you wheb casting
turbid needle
They stop targetting you while invisible/unseen
Grants +100% damage during its d...
Oh dang, guess it's a fantastic pick for Elysium/Styx if I have no call.
proper furnace
Also clears the poison in styx
bright fossil
How does it works well with Hera again?
like dont you want to be far away?
with a bow?
proper furnace
You can just shoot at melee range 
Just dont charge all the way
Or you can load at melee then dash away to shoot
proper furnace
Is free damage, gives access to chill/killing freeze which is always nice
spiral horizon
Preference for bow aspect?
errant narwhal
i like hera or zagreus
proven osprey
I think it's the best aspect in terms of gameplay diversity
You can go whatever and you'll get a fresh experience
There are aspects I like more than bows but honestly, really nice design
Shield is also quite good in that way
jovial fulcrum
Chiron is my favorite bow and just one of my favorite aspects overall
proven osprey
It's an awesome one yeah
turbid needle
What Boons do you guys pick for the attack with the Shield of Chaos?
I know the Special is either Dyonisus, Ares or Zeus
aphro
Why Aphro?
proper furnace
gives access to low tolerance with dio special and smoldering air if you also pick zeus/dio call while using zeus
languid forum
dionysus on special for chiron is kinda underwhelming
i had the duo boon with aphro but it still wasnt that good tbh
lucid oar
Yeah you need to pom it into oblivion
proven osprey
It's nice
It's not meant for speed as in for speedruns
But if you play it properly you can deal with tight deadline 3 even at 50 heat
lucid oar
It gets good with global damage and the duos
turbid needle
its good dmg but not like super op i guess
proven osprey
It just requires a bif of adaptation. You must apply hangover everywhere
turbid needle
heartrend shreds stuff harder but is also more of a highroll
lucid oar
Thunder flourish kinda comfy as well, but it needs Zeus boons
proven osprey
I love thunder flourish
Does not really matter if you don't get every bolt, it's just nice to play
lucid oar
Aiming the special perpendicular to the enemy to get more bolt procs is so satisfying
proven osprey
Yeah the weird angles are funny even though not very practical
sterile fiber
How does it works well with Hera again?
we had a convo about this some time ago:
#h1-builds-and-combat message
opaque hare
does hunter dash empowers Dashing Flight?
dusty hull
does eurydice’s ambrosia delight affect boons under rare crop?
steel swan
yes
steel gorge
any thoughts on lambent plume? been using it a lot lately
boreal prism
Best keepsake in the game
steel gorge
do you have to be using it from tartarus for it to be effective though
I usually don't end up with a massive speed bonus if I start using it from asphodel or elysium
boreal prism
Yeah using it from the beginning gives you a large boost
Because you should be getting a boost for almost every single room
Whereas in elysium its a lot harder to do that
Also the real benefit of the plume is the dodge chance, which allows you to play more recklessly, which gives you more dodge chance
I think you have to run room rerolls with plume, in order to get a decent pool in tart
steel gorge
so it's less good to use it if I need to get a specific god for a build?
boreal prism
Yeah
steel gorge
I see
boreal prism
You do plume instead of a specific build
lucid oar
Or you can equip plume to unlock the Hermes legendary/have a higher chance of seeing rush delivery
steel gorge
so it's good when I just want to play around with something and see what happens?
and yeah most times I've been using the plume, I've had rush delivery
untold vortex
Zag fists + plume runs can be a bunch of fun :3
boreal prism
Zag fists is where plume shines the most I think
But arthur plume is a meme that works
steel gorge
hmm I never used the zag fists after unlocking demeter
but also I never put any titan blood into zag fists so I have no idea what it's actually like
boreal prism
You can get so much dodge
cunning urchin
Lambent Plume is amazing if you can clear rooms fast consistently and stack Dodge chance.
I wouldn't say "best" though.
It's good for certain things.
boreal prism
Well, whatever gets you to a broken duo is probably best
steel gorge
wow beowulf is fun
that was my fastest lernie clear ever, literally one hit took out each phase
with trippy flare and mirage shot
also deleted hades pretty fast
silent ocean
Wow 
proper furnace
trippy flare is fun
steel gorge
but I want to try again with a cast that sticks in enemies
proper furnace
beo doesnt stick casts
steel gorge
oh really
proper furnace
they all explode
steel gorge
so it doesn't matter which one I pick then
proper furnace
but dio cast stays in the field
steel gorge
oh
but picking one that would normally stick in enemies would just explode immediately and return the stones?
proper furnace
yup
proper furnace
that is why beo changes them to "flares"
steel gorge
I don't actually want it to stick
but just drop the stones faster
I have to wait for trippy flare to drop the stones
I imagine it would be great with scintillating feast though
proper furnace
were you running stygyan or infernal soul?
steel gorge
I tried to get it in my last run but my luck ran out
infernal
I have never used stygian
proper furnace
stygian with dio cast can be more fun if you get casts from charon wells or from chaos
they still regenerate even while its still in the field
silent ocean
Stygians Poseidon form makes the trippy shot return too?
proper furnace
nope
silent ocean
Oof
proper furnace
the lodged is when they are stuck in the enemy
silent ocean
Thought so
steel gorge
I also tried for chaos
but they didn't give any extra casts
what happens when you get demeter's cast with beo
proper furnace
icy explosion that is bad
steel gorge
haha
proper furnace
honestly even without more casts from wells/chaos i like stygian dio cast more
not waiting for the cast to finish is nice
primal kiln
What is your dream build?
bronze marten
Eris rail, Zeus aid, cluster rocket bomb, aphro special, smoldering, double strike, splitting bolt
proper furnace
epic passion flare (around 7-8) mirage shot, all extra casts from chaos/charon wells and artemis legendary
brazen dagger
I had a janky run... It didn't work on EM Final Boss but it was funny as hell... Worked wonders on Theseus/Minotaur
Ended up with hangover, Lightening, and chill on Festive Fog
indigo mauve
I really struggle on Elysium boss with Chiron bow
I dunno if it’s just me, but tips would be helpful
fresh jewel
I dunno if it’s just me, but tips would be helpful
Well Chiron bow is quite safe to use as long as you just don't get close
Do your attack special combo and get outta dodge, zeus special is strong on chiron
In other news, serrated edge on FO2 is... intense
cunning urchin
what would u say is the best
proper furnace
are chambers with the skull icon faster than non skull chambers even if they arent mini bosses?
lone jetty
Skull rooms that aren’t minibosses (they’ll be blue laurel) will have only armored baddies. There will be fewer baddies, but armor. If you’ve got a good build, probably faster.
vivid crow
They can also be fountain rooms possibly
lone jetty
True. Those are fast 
gusty rapids
though rooms without skull on them can also be fountains
hollow roost
any broken chaos aspect shield builds?
torn harness
It's good for certain things.
I use it with zag fists
bright fossil
any broken chaos aspect shield builds?
just do Ares special and Athena attack for Merciful end
languid forum
is hera good with phlanx shot
- the duo with athena and zues
the bouncy phlanx one
proper furnace
Ye
noble vigil
What builds did you think were meh but ended up trying and loving? Thought Ice Wine with Achilles swear would be ok but not great but...things never attack you. I got my quickest clear on Theseus/Mino because the two barely got to move
winter vortex
What are some cool aspect of Achilles builds?
green birch
@turbid needle so! Following up on weapon aspects
turbid needle
rubs hands yes gimme all the deets
green birch
After you’ve cleared the game a few times, you will be able to unlock alternative versions of each weapon (talk to npcs like Skelly or Achilles if it hasn’t procced yet, it’s been a bit since I’ve unlocked them)
lucid oar
What are some cool aspect of Achilles builds?
You can honestly get a good Achilles build by picking any cast and pomming it to level 6 or so, and then shooting for any duo boons that affect the cast
green birch
They’re more than cosmetic, they fundamentally change the way the weapon plays
winter vortex
Indeed
lucid oar
I think you unlock aspects the run after you've completed a run (died or won) with all weapons
green birch
For example, the Sword aspect of ||Nemesis, makes it so 8 seconds after you special, you have an extremely high chance to do critical damage with your attack||
turbid needle
huh, well, i main the shield of chaos and used the titan blood to upgrade it a tad which gave it that seraphim look
is that what it is?
proper furnace
Is 8 seconds? I thought it was lower
green birch
huh, well, i main the shield of chaos and used the titan blood to upgrade it a t...
Yup!
turbid needle
oohh i see
green birch
Is 8 seconds? I thought it was lower
It might be 3, I would have to check
So yeah! There are a few hidden aspects
proper furnace
8 seconds was pre nerf eris iirc
green birch
The way to unlock them is, start spending titan blood on any weapons
Your favorite will do, a few random, whatever
supple ibex
5 titan blood total pretty sure
green birch
Then talk to NPCs who will give you keywords
solar dawn
It might be 3, I would have to check
it is 3 yeah
turbid needle
so basically i can upgrade just about any weapon and just use em in combat till the final boss?
green birch
Some are in the house, some are gods, you will have to find out!
supple ibex
so basically i can upgrade just about any weapon and just use em in combat till ...
Yeah
green birch
so basically i can upgrade just about any weapon and just use em in combat till ...
Yup, you don’t even gotta use em technically
turbid needle
awesome
green birch
You just need to cross the “spent 5 titan blood” barrier
The hidden aspects are my favorite, can’t wait for you to find them hehe
supple ibex
But the secret aspects are pretty much different weapons
turbid needle
im excited
supple ibex
Beo gang
turbid needle
i think ive spent about uuhh
3 titan blood?? on the shield
just gotta keep getting titan blood
green birch
Nice
Best way to farm titan blood if you’re low is make it past Hydra or farther at least once with every weapon on 0-1 heat
turbid needle
been there done that 😎
green birch
Ayyyu
turbid needle
i just spend it on unlocking new aspects bc theyre cool
green birch
You’ll get those hidden aspects in no time then
turbid needle
awesome
i saw ppl getting up to like 10 heat on a single playthrough, does that happen when youve exhausted all the 1 heats??
proper furnace
Heat bounties are from 1 to 20
lucid oar
You can select as much heat as you like
green birch
Ok so the way heat works
Every weapon has its own heat level
So you may be up to 6 heat on sword, but if you’ve never beaten 3 heat with bow, you can still collect the 3, 4, 5, and six heat bounties with bow
At low heats, spreading out and using a mix of all weapons is good; however past 5-6 heat is (assuming you’re an average gamer like me) when you’ll want to pick your favorite weapon aspect and just go as far as possible climbing heat with that weapon
lucid oar
You can try that with extreme measures
green birch
Yeah, I’d say hold off EM3 until you’re comfortable with a totally different set of 6 heat
green birch
Of weapons or bosses or?
turbid needle
i think thats what its called, but it was the second thing redacted from the admin room stuff for my runs
i think weapons?
green birch
Buhhhhhh
I’d have to boot up the game to check, idr right now haha
turbid needle
XD ah thats fine then!
proper furnace
Companion?
turbid needle
OH i think thats what it was!!
bc one of the controls is 'summon' but i never got what it does
proper furnace
is your key
turbid needle
hmmmmmmm
do i give a lot of nectar to a character i like
and then summon them to battle
is that whats up
green birch
something like that
what characters do you like tho cause not all of them have this
green birch
Ok then yes, you will be able to make progress with Dusa 👍
turbid needle
amazing! thanks
brazen dagger
So far Achilles spear is my fav weapon
Im happy too because without god mode im able to do 5 heat reliably
cunning urchin
Nice!
winter thicket
Apparently Eris is top tier with Chiron?
raw blade
eris is the best aspect i think
the biggest ooga booga
just spam special and attack
and you win
raw blade
arte
winter thicket
sounds good. any specific duos to look for?
lucid oar
Not really
winter thicket
or just zeus leg.
lucid oar
Yeah
winter thicket
I used to hate this game, but the more I played the more I want to get every aspect maxxed out XD
just wish I didnt have to buy it again to play it on PC with my cross save from the switch 😦
raw blade
i used to play hades cracked but then i realised that the game is really good and deserves my money
so i bought it
winter thicket
Oh for sure I’m 100% about supporting
terse thistle
I used to think sword was lame, and then I discovered Arthur
ocean kayak
Arthur is one of my favorite weapons in the entire game
It’s really the only aspect you can use to become effectively a face-tank
And the damage output is absurd if you crit with it through Artemis
boreal prism
if you really wanna face tank with it... try lambent plume
because of math, dodge chance effectively multiplies your health
"ehp" or somethin
ocean kayak
Stacking damage reduction and Centaur Hearts is so much fun
My favorite thing about it is the dashing doesn’t interrupt the giant swings so you can still be extremely mobile
solar dawn
Calculating ehp with dodge is really hard since it's not a flat change, it's one that scales with the attacks. Weak is easier to calculate cuz it's just x% more
But also gives dodge a much higher ehp in a lot of cases
turbid needle
hey what kinda hammers and boons am i looking for with bow
solar dawn
Which aspect?
ocean kayak
Yeah it varies
lucid oar
Twin or triple shot
ocean kayak
Yeah that’s good on Zag Aspect
For Hera I like Close Shot and the one that gives an easier charged shot, and for the other two, you want special enhancing upgrades
turbid needle
explosive shot not good?
ocean kayak
I almost never special when using Zag or Hera aspects, personally, so I don’t usually pick those hammer upgrades up when using them
turbid needle
Damn
i never beat the fuirst boss so fast
this bow basically one hit everyone on the first floor
solar dawn
Zag aspect at max is amazing
turbid needle
So I have Zag bow maxed and want to try out another aspect. Chiron looks fun but I understand it's kinda bad until you invest into a lot?
solar dawn
If you don't have it max rank you pretty much need relentless volley though
ocean kayak
If you put Aphro Cast and charge up 3, you can basically one shot every enemy
And it weakens the ones that do survive
turbid needle
If you don't have it max rank you pretty much need relentless volley though
Yeah that's my worry. I might try out Hera/Rama then insead
lucid oar
Hera is great at level 1 and amazing at level 5
ocean kayak
^^
solar dawn
Also Hera with Hermes cast drop is kinda nutty
turbid needle
Alright Hera is the one, you said Crush shot is the way for it?
ocean kayak
Rama’s main thing is Hold Q, the shared suffering isn’t as good when you can just kill the enemies outright and it takes way longer to charge the bow up
I prefer Crush shot, yes
I think Crush Shot is one of the weakest standalone casts in the game because of its small range
But it turns it into a projectile with the bow
And it tears enemies apart when your arrow hits
And since they’re dead, you can just dash on over and pick up the stones and repeat
solar dawn
Rama’s main thing is Hold Q, the shared suffering isn’t as good when you can jus...
Rama special only isn't really how you really wanna do it tbh, it works but special into shot is generally better
ocean kayak
It’s just not for me, it feels too clunky and slow especially compared to Hera but that’s my opinion
I feel like Chiron is also broken
All of the bow aspects are great
turbid needle
That sounds super fun, alright I'll give it a shot. I'm working on the epilogue so just needing one god is a plus for me now
ocean kayak
Definitely go the three cast stones instead of the recharge for Hera
Spam cast load, shoot, dash, collect stones, repeat
It’s very satisfying
proper furnace
Only use stygian if you plan to use dio cast
solar dawn
Also 3 casts at once is almost always overkill, one is enough for almost all the minor enemies
proper furnace
Overkill is the best kill tho 
proper furnace
For bosses is fine, only need to learn to keep in mind phase changes to not get casts during the invencibility
turbid needle
I have a build for the chaos shield
Aspect of Zeus with Curse of Agony (along with all the passive Doom buffs) with Divine Flourish and Merciful End. Preferably, I would like Pulverising Blow from Daedalus and Swift Strike from Hermes to more quickly apply Doom stacks.
left hawk
Question
turbid needle
hmm
left hawk
Well I was gunna show my current build but we can't post pictures here, I'm doing a chiron run and have epic frost strike, rare hunter dash, epic urge to kill, and epic abyssal florish.
I just beat Tarturus boss and wondered what my next keepsake I should go for with the build
My current keepsake is Arts
Oh and I got twin shot off the starting hammer
left hawk
Np
cunning urchin
@left hawk you can link images from something like imgur or from a private discord server.
sterile fiber
How do you do the private discord server?
make a discord server that contains only yourself
upload the picture over there
copy the image link
paste it whereever you want it
cunning urchin
nemesis suggestions? im sort of getting bored with poseidon <:dusa:5222487714095...
Get all of Lady Aphrodite's boons. All of them. Every single one. 
acoustic vale
That is a bad suggestion
turbid needle
i believe thats a great suggestion
acoustic vale
Trust me, Artemis, crit stacking
The crit increases from Artemis do stack with the aspects natural crit chance, for absurd crit rate
acoustic vale
Still not all aphro boons, since you really want art attack
left hawk
make a discord server that contains only yourself
upload the picture over there
...
Ooh okie
I took a break to make some BLTs then ill hop back onto my run
unreal crystal
What is the best boon to start at the beginning using the Aegis aspect of Zagreu?
lucid oar
Either deadly strike or heartbreak strike
solar dawn
Something for the special, Arti on special is nice, ares is fun too if you can get dire misfortune and impending doom
Dionysus might be good too
Your god pool is nice for a nice hangover build
onyx grotto
solar dawn
Nice ring pog
left hawk
Something for the special, Arti on special is nice, ares is fun too if you can g...
So dio or ares next? Then the other afterwards?
Keepsake wise
solar dawn
Dio next, then try to get Dio, Arti, and ares doors. Take a defense keepsake into Elysium unless you feel confident with heroes
left hawk
I'm only on heat 2 atm xp
Granted I took enemies do more damage as my second heat level
Until I get better against final boss I usually take skelly
Going into last area
So I'm trying to get hangover related boons, and what duos should I be looking for?
solar dawn
In general, low tolerance (aphro Dio), curse of nausea (ares Dio) and splitting headache (Arti Dio)
Splitting headache isn't as good important as the other two
acoustic vale
Is it just me or are a lot of Artimises duos not super good compared to others
lucid oar
I feel like theres a decent mixture of good/bad ones
Hunting blades is really good, i think crystal clarity is a bit worse but still good
Heart rend is solid on crit aspects (nemesis and zag bow) and is okay on others
Rod is good
Splitting headache is a pommed epic PP
Mirage shot is busted on Beowulf, easy S tier
Deadly reversal isnt always the most practical, but is pretty decent if you pick it up in an ME build
sterile fiber
With Ares and Demeter: arguably the best duo for their cast
Poseidon: OP with Beo and Hera, esp Beo
Zeus: situational. Kind of awkward though
Athena and Dio: never tried myseif
Aphrodite: takes some setup but I heard it's decent to good
acoustic vale
I've been told the athena and aphro duos are not usually worth getting tbh, have I been misinformed?
sterile fiber
Maybe not in general, but if a build wants Artemis in Attack (eg Nemesis) then it's nice to stack even more crit
lucid oar
Depends on the build that you’ve got
acoustic vale
Zeus shield with zeus special basically deletes flame wheels, which makes it amazing in my book
lunar flare
I've been told the athena and aphro duos are not usually worth getting tbh, have...
Heart Rend is awesome on an Artemis attack build. Smoldering Air shreds everything with a Zeus or Dionysus call. Merciful End is genuinely broken if you also have Divine Dash (and even sometimes without it)
acoustic vale
I meant the athena/art and aphro/art boons specifically
lunar flare
Ooooh
Aphro/Arty is awesome. All the DPS
Athena/Arty is... Meh
Not really noticeable
long escarp
Athena/Arty is... Meh
Are you referring to Deadly Reversal? Because I’ve found that boon to actually be really strong
proven osprey
outside of bosses it's much more noticeable tbh
long escarp
Assuming you have Divine Dash and are good at timing it to get deflects
Deadly Reversal was always the other duo I’d go for in my Merciful End builds
lunar flare
Assuming you have Divine Dash and are good at timing it to get deflects
Divine Dash isn't a requisite for Deadly Reversal, though. It's a big assumption to make
Feels very build-dependent. Builds that benefit from a core Athena boon are rare - you could always put Aphrodite on that slot and crit for days, especially if you get Hunter's Mark
lucid oar
Yeah you can just slap on artemis cast and get the duo
proven osprey
it's not lmao
long escarp
Divine Dash isn't a requisite for Deadly Reversal, though. It's a big assumption...
I don’t think it’s a big assumption to make at all. Divine Dash in one of the best if not the best dash in the game. Get divine special, then divine dash
It’s not that hard
proven osprey
thing is hunter's mark is like on equal footing with DR most of the time
long escarp
That’s true. But Hunter’s Mark is also really really good
proven osprey
yeah it's an excellent boon
lunar flare
I should try a Poseidon build for Deadly Reversal
long escarp
Tbf, I only really used DR in my ME builds
proven osprey
It's a nice addition to ME
DR and ME are nice because divine dash exists
otherwise you don't really want that dash
long escarp
I love Divine Dash for my higher heat runs
lunar flare
DR and ME are nice because divine dash exists
They got nerfed iirc?
lucid oar
Yes
bronze marten
Gotta play that defense
No shame
Divine dash was a great design to get newer players further
onyx grotto
what you think guys, which one aspect of fist is the best?
Giglamausz is be a little slower, than other right?
lucid oar
Demeter
bronze marten
I’ve had a lot of success with Athena attack deadly reversal
namely on sword
Usually Artemis just fills the cast or whatever in that case but man the giant lightsaber boomstick feels good
lucid oar
It's like a happy medium between deadly strike and heartbreak strike
bronze marten
also it’s a lightsaber lol
proper furnace
Arthur ig, athena attack looks nice on it
lunar flare
Only one my hands speak is Talos. Gilgamesh is dependent on the AoE hammer
bronze marten
proven osprey
I love Talos
lunar flare
Arthur aspect athena attack
I call that the baseball build
bronze marten
Also works!
lucid oar
I love Talos
You'll never beat Talos 52
proven osprey
lunar flare
I love Talos
Demeter has more damage but I find it finnicky to aim with KB+M
bronze marten
My tendinitis means I get like one fist run a week at best 😦
lunar flare
Why?
bronze marten
It hurts to play fists lol
I likely need medical attention tbh, I’m one of those work from home drones that sits in front of a screen all day and it adds up once you get old like me 😦
outer quail
i'm 21 and deal with similar issues from repetitive use, have to be cautious abt games. can affect anyone who does this sort of activity, def worth seeing a doctor over if it's impacting you
winter thicket
Typically, Gods Legacy or Gods Pride?
proper furnace
If you need more duos/legendaries for your build go for legacy otherwise il default to pride for better hermes/chaos
proper furnace
Pride ig then
sharp sinew
Best hammers for Zeus shield?
opaque zinc
What are the best builds to go for with chiron?
primal kiln
Dionysus on special is always good
opaque zinc
Figured as much bc of all the juicy hangover stacks
Any hammers I should look for other than the one that gives more arrows on special
primal kiln
Piercing special is good for Elysium
proper furnace
Relentless and concetrated are the best, piercing is nice too
You can also do things like poseidon special with sea storm
Aphro special into legendary for memes
Artemis with aphro on attack for heart rend (and dont forget to visit chaos for special damage)
If you get dire misfortune you can get big numbers with doom
opaque zinc
Alr cool
opaque zinc
Well this wasn’t exactly the run I was going for but I have triple shot with explosive shot and crit ._.
I do some pretty good dmg
proper furnace
Funny how it works
proper furnace
Congrats 
spiral vale
Exagryph flurry fire + epic swift strike is pretty nice
even better with lightning strike
bright fossil
Does atk spd boon from hermes affect Aspect of Lucifer?
spiral vale
don’t think so
opaque zinc
Ooh just got crush shot, exit wounds, w Poseidon aspect
spiral vale
oh nice
cunning urchin
Does atk spd boon from hermes affect Aspect of Lucifer?
Yes.
lucid oar
Best hammers for Zeus shield?
Explosive return and charged shot
desert bolt
best fist build?
bright fossil
best fist build?
i usually use the good old Merciful End combo on Gilgamesh or Demeter
cunning urchin
Yeah, it makes everything about your Attack faster.
I wrote a Demeter Aspect guide that works for base fists just as well. #h1-builds-and-combat message
bright fossil
I wrote a Demeter Aspect guide that works for base fists just as well. https://d...
Why breaching cross again?
What other guides do you have?
untold vortex
+900% on your dash strike damage against armour is an insane amount of damage
cunning urchin
Guan Yu Guide: #h1-discussion message
Crush Shot Hera Guide: #h1-discussion message
Demeter Aspect Guide: #h1-builds-and-combat message
Nemesis Guide:
#h1-for-new-players message
Cast Build (generally) Guide: #h1-builds-and-combat message
32 Heat Guide: #h1-high-heat-strategies message
40 Heat Guide:
#h1-high-heat-strategies message
Newbie Build Guide: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2233472883
Final Boss Tactics Guide: https://docs.google.com/document/d/137Vqe-8fvStMJ_HMlBKWwq3SVdoOED0lOpBBSmgGwtQ/edit?usp=sharing
Nectar & Ambrosia Guide: https://twitter.com/dianaii__/status/1336090118218801153
I think that's all.
Probably more if I found some old posts of mine and just renamed them into "x guide".
bright fossil
+900% on your dash strike damage against armour is an insane amount of damage
most bosses dont have armours right? or is it just used to get through elisium easier?
lucid oar
Elysium and Styx mainly, and the adds that dad spawns
cunning urchin
It also gives you piercing.
bright fossil
wow Chaos Zeus feels much more fun to use than Merciful end
delicate tusk
Guan Yu Guide: https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/52042992972123346...
Pin this?
hollow roost
Guan Yu Guide: https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/52042992972123346...
any chaos aspect guides?
hollow hearth
sweet nectar is going to be amazing, since i got it in tartarus, instead of styx like normal
proper furnace
Nothing like sweet nectar in the last chamber you go into styx
hollow hearth
pretty much
winter vortex
Okay what's sweet nectar
lucid oar
Poms give +1 level
winter vortex
Oh that's pog
turbid needle
sweet nectar? is it like better than ambrosia?
proper furnace
Duo boon beetween aphrodite and poseidon, poms gives +1 lvls
Ambrosia is for relationships with characters
hollow hearth
heh, nice
https://imgur.com/FvKGrgG
proper furnace
Lvl 8 and only +69%?
I knew % of poseidon was bad but wut
proper furnace
Pretty sure aphro common + 1 or 2 poms should have already surpassed that tempest strike 
proper furnace
Oh well if it works im not saying more
Still poseidon ew
hollow hearth
all my friends love bouldy
primal kiln
If I have Demeter on special for Chaos shield, who's a good god to put on attack?
hollow hearth
poseidon, maybe?
flat summit
Why don't I have permission to post a photo here
I want to ask about my 32 hear setup
solar dawn
Post the image to a different server and copy the image link
Or use imgur or something
strange lark
Also questions about 32 heat go in #h1-high-heat-strategies
bright sandal
Does Artemis' hunter dash boost dash upper for the fists as well?
bright sandal
Ah okay cool, guess I'll be taking that for dash for the 4th fist aspect then
sweet hornet
when you have an ME build with just about everything you'd already want, do you go with premium vintage or splitting headache (dio call)?
jovial fulcrum
Vintage sounds better to me, extra pom and hp
sweet hornet
I rerolled hoping for curse of nausea, settled for vintage - still landed splitting headache later with arty
bronze marten
Splitting headache is unreliable but hey, 7 p pressure points is solid
acoustic vale
put all poms into heroic pressure points, get all the crits
fresh jewel
Just did FO2 charon taking only one hit!!! Getting better at this fight
subtle totem
Any strategies for completing forced overtime? I’ve beaten Hades with all the conditions except this
worn solar
be gud at the dodge
tawdry sorrel
just maxed out zeus aspect without playing it, what are some good setups to try out?
worn solar
its hits a lot so ppl seem to like zeus on it
lone jetty
Zeus on special, get lots more Zeus. But maxed out almost any god on special works. I like Athena and going for Merciful End or Deadly Reversal.
spiral vale
almost anything on zeus shield special is really nice
wanton garnet
Which fist aspect works best with merciful end, or are they all pretty much the same?
steel swan
Which fist aspect works best with merciful end, or are they all pretty much the ...
demeter is just better than the other three
spiral vale
does blood frenzy stack with multiple defiances in the same room?
steel swan
no
spiral vale
lame
steel swan
yes
proven osprey
Any strategies for completing forced overtime? I’ve beaten Hades with all the co...
it's really a matter of practice. If you just want a clear you could go Hestia, the ranged playstyle is more forgiving
delicate tusk
Any strategies for completing forced overtime? I’ve beaten Hades with all the co...
FO1 on its own is pretty sinple
raw blade
yes
noble vigil
What are best Dionysus builds I can go for? Struggling on aspect choosing, feel like I wanna go for splitting headache
(hangover rather than Dionysus)
drifting kite
then go duo with either ares or aphrodite
Aphro duo lets u stack3 more hangover stacks
raw blade
dio on fist attack is pretty neat
drifting kite
ares makes ahngover tick faster
noble vigil
Chiron/firsts any of the rail in particular?
proven osprey
It works on Chiron and Eris
proven osprey
if you want to deal damage the only viable option is Eris tbh
drifting kite
does the buff makes hangover do more dmg?
proven osprey
yes
drifting kite
never actually liked playing diony so
didnt know
so i guess eris, makes it a bit better
noble vigil
I like Dionysus but not big fan of Eris
proven osprey
understandable
noble vigil
it works though, just chasing the special gets me into trouble
drifting kite
just consider it being just there
dont chase it
if it hits u, great
if not, dont force it
proven osprey
you really don't have to chase the special
because Eris is a melee aspect after all
sharp sinew
I really like the exploding launcher for the spear but I can’t get it with the charged skewer fast enough to get a good run in
wanton garnet
Can you get duo boons from trial of the gods chambers?
lucid oar
No
pliant hearth
Any beginner friendly spear builds? I managed to do doom shield run and get to the final boss but I'm looking to do it with spear now
turbid needle
Any beginner friendly spear builds? I managed to do doom shield run and get to t...
i just did my second ever clear with spear
i did achilles aspect
then with ares cast and hunting blades and mirage shot and it was really free
gy special spam was my first spear clear but it needs to be maxed
lone jetty
Exploding launcher is spammable at distance if you get that hammer. Throw Artemis or Aphro on special and you’re in good shape. Charged skewer can supercharge that
quartz fractal
yo
has anyone here done 50 heat with spear? anyone got op builds that I could try
ive heard spear is hard to pull off with high heat but i want to try it first b4 i get to other weapons
turbid needle
feel free to watch the recorded 50 heat spear runs that are in the pinned leaderboard #h1-high-heat-strategies
turbid needle
what spear do you wanna run
quartz fractal
ive been trying both achilles and hades
i generally have an easier time with achilles tho
turbid needle
achilles usually wants to get flurry jab with artemis or zeus pretty sure
lucid oar
Cast builds too inconsistent
quartz fractal
quartz fractal
its hard to get the same cast and they all so different its hard to keep dps the same
turbid needle
I've seen hades done with artemis cores too
quartz fractal
ive never tried a spin build i think
quartz fractal
yea
quartz fractal
hades is generally more consistent tho right
lucid oar
Probs
lucid oar
I dont think spear is explored much at high heat
turbid needle
I only did 40 heat with spears
quartz fractal
most ive done beforehand is either 42 or 46
lucid oar
Guan Yu might be the most used one actually
quartz fractal
for some reason that 4 makes hella a difference
i wanna like guan yu but id have like 10 health
lucid oar
Yeah the jump from 40 to 50 is pretty huge
quartz fractal
i remember i saw a run with that and artemis special
where does the damage come from
lol
lucid oar
Hammers that give 3x damage tend to be quite good
pliant hearth
then with ares cast and hunting blades and mirage shot and it was really free
Thanks for the advice but it would have been great if someone told me that you can only have one Duo boon active at a time or else you won't get the other one
turbid needle
you can have several duo boons
boreal prism
Some duo boons prevent others but most of em are compatible
bronze marten
I’ve gotten 6 in a run before
You can’t get ares/Artemis then ares/Demeter, or Demeter/Artemis and Demeter/aphro together, ares Poseidon is weird on some aspects, but there’s no limit except RNG
turbid needle
Thanks for the advice but it would have been great if someone told me that you c...
i had hunting blades and mirage shot though
acoustic vale
Question: Can't Hades Keepsake be taken to slightly increase the odds of getting a non call boon you want and then taken off after you get it?
lucid oar
I'm not sure of the exact probability of it all, but taking any call will introduce boons like billowing strength/second wind/quick favour, and you might not want some of those
hollow hearth
acoustic vale
no page there
glossy crag
Just unlocked beowulf shield and have no idea how to use it do you have suggestions ?
Same for gilgamesh fist
glossy crag
Which god ?
glossy crag
Aphrodote seems good in my opinions
hollow hearth
all the casts have a variant specifically for the beowulf aspect, so test out a few
glossy crag
Dio ?
proper furnace
Dionysus
hollow hearth
wine drinker
proper furnace
Im not writing its full name everytime
proper furnace
With his cast you use stygian soul but you are gonna want extra casta from chaos/charon wells
proper furnace
You also want mirage shot
Said this, bc mirage shot is bugged on beo
glossy crag
I'm not realy used to cast build it's gonna be a first for me
proper furnace
The 2nd cast will do its full damage instead of reduced
glossy crag
And for gilgamesh ?
proper furnace
Poseidon dash spam ig
glossy crag
I did with artemis blessing it work well but i don't think it's the best
OH YEAH u're right
That's completly my king of gameplay lmao
proper furnace
Zeus dash can also be fun, needs a lot of zeus tho
Also remember ruthless reflex is free on gilga
long escarp
Divine Dash + Epic Greatest Reflex
That combo has carried so many 32+ heat runs
It just allows me to spam dash against bosses instead of having to actually manage them because I have a much wider window to avoid attacks, and I will basically always have a spare dash
neon trout
Is there a trick to figure out when % dmg increase is better than flat dmg numbers? I’m working on heat 30 and I feel like there is a reason and it may help me theory build better 😅
proper furnace
if your weapon has decent damage base go for % if is weak and fast go for flat dmg
thats the base of it at least
fresh jewel
Man ruthless reflex is brutal to play with
proper furnace
use gilga
hollow hearth
@long escarp a new challenger who decries the sanctity of cursed slash Arthur. In all seriousness, I have lost 1 cursed slash run, out of 5-6 total runs
Most of them being with Arthur aspect
Ngl I mostly mention the fact that cursed slash is the best hammer for stygius because a ton of people don't like it, and their reactions are kinda funny.
Also, why is not using your attack with poseidon aspect the meta?
proper furnace
i think it has the wr with merciful end so is kinda the meta 
but normally with poseidon you only cast/special
grand night
Is there anything else that restores Death Defiance? I can think of:
Well of Charon item
Athena Boon
Elysium character
proper furnace
thats everything
also not restore but chaos legendary gives you a DD and skelly keepsake too
neon trout
@proper furnace thx
terse thistle
i just hit a satyr for 3.3k damage... i love you arthur crits
nvm i just went over 4k.... what in tarnation...
long escarp
<@738544446747967599> a new challenger who decries the sanctity of cursed slash ...
Yeah that might just mean you’re decent with Arthur, not the cursed slash is good. But whatever, you play whatever you want and honestly I’m sorry if I came across like I was trying to tell you how you should play
hollow hearth
You're good
long escarp
Also, why is not using your attack with poseidon aspect the meta?
The cast should be the majority of your damage, and your special can dislodge the casts from bosses so you can cast into them again
With more practice with the aspect, one can get better at balancing that while also doing dash-strikes
hollow hearth
Nice pfp btw. Love mantis lords
hollow hearth
Are you in the discord?
long escarp
Yeah
hollow hearth
Nice
swift sundial
are hades' soul vases considered as traps?
worn solar
are hades' soul vases considered as traps?
yes
boreal prism
Yes for the purposes of HS
acoustic vale
isn't it possible to get like 97% trap resistance from athena if you get a really good boon and some poms?
pliant hearth
Okay so how come when I watch a video for a build, the build never is really good. It's not as good as it is in the video to be honest. It is so weak, and then all honesty you kind of leans toward the builds that I would never use in my life. The only build that has been good and got me my first win pretty much was the Doom shield build. And I tried doing another powerful build that was okay for beginners to do, and it literally I would count it as one of the worst builds that I have done so far. Of course I'm sure it's just the rarity of it which makes it a lot less powerful but the build's just never seem to work. That specific build that I'm trying to do is the Artemis shotgun build pretty much. Usually I get a lot of hammers but I haven't been getting that many lately and I only got one and I wasn't able to get the shotgun part but in the video they weren't able to do it either and theirs was still so powerful and when I tried to do it it literally took forever to kill anything. Like- what?? I think I'm just going to try and Spam The shield doom build at this point, after all it's the only thing that I can win the final boss with
solar dawn
What's the artimes shotgun build?
And some aspects need more titan blood put into them, or some builds might need practice/experience with the game
lucid oar
isn't it possible to get like 97% trap resistance from athena if you get a reall...
You can't pom sure footing, but if you get it to heroic, it's 95% resistance. But there are other boons that you'd want to be heroic before sure footing
solar dawn
You can't pom sure footing, but if you get it to heroic, it's 95% resistance. Bu...
Like support fire
lucid oar
Mmmm 16(?) damage
vivid crow
Like support fire
More like peer pressure 
pliant hearth
What's the artimes shotgun build?
You get Artemis attack boon and spread fire
errant narwhal
Sure footing used to be pommable iirc, I think I have a video from those times. I’ll post it soon if I do
errant narwhal
ok i misremembered, it was still just 90%, but the video is pretty funny
this video is from 2 years ago you can see the old heat resource lol
solar dawn
lmao gaming
turbid needle
You get Artemis attack boon and spread fire
did you look at an old resource maybe? it used to deal insane dmg but got nerfed. its still alright though
also like not all good builds are builds that autowin you the game
getting better at using your aspects and dodging enemies also goes a long way to victories
steel gorge
does anyone have tips for when you don't run god keepsakes for specific builds
maybe that's a less optimized way to play, but I started getting sick of always doing merciful end fists and sea storm rail
so I've started using the lambent plume for every run and having way more fun just trying to put a build together on the fly
but are there any specific tips for doing this
or other keepsakes I should try
not confident enough for pierced butterfly though, I almost always take a hit in each room
noble parrot
I just got into hades about 2 weeks ago and already have around 70 hours lol anyway just played with my most fun build so far:
Adamant Rail - Aspect of Lucifer
Attack: Curse of Agony
Cast: Crystal Beam + Glacial Glare and Shot
Dash: Divine Dash
Special: Divine Flourish
Revenge: Curse of Vengeance
Duos: Stubborn Roots, Merciful End
Extra: Battle Rage, Blinding Flash, Positive Outlook, Strong Drink, Premium Vintage, Dire Misfortune and Swift Strike
Hammer: Eternal Chamber and Piercing Fire
Apply tons of doom with the unending laser and then merciful end. This was also my first time getting merciful end.
steel gorge
I kinda want to try lucifer
noble parrot
i dont know if i like it more than hestia but its pretty fun, especially with triple bomb
hoary slate
does anyone have tips for when you don't run god keepsakes for specific builds
Pom blossom and Hypnos' money keepsake idk what it's called are neat starters that you don't need to carry till the end.
noble parrot
Cthonic coin purse is great but i typically only use it if im in a pinch for money to buy a kiss of styx or something
steel gorge
oh that's a neat idea, never thought of that
I have occasionally used the pom blossom
pom blossom seemed like it needed a lot of rooms
noble parrot
pom blossom is amazing in styx
steel gorge
oh yeah that would make sense
lately I've just been loving the plume though, I basically always get rush delivery
and usually hyper sprint or greater haste
don't know if I've been lucky enough to have all of those yet
noble parrot
Just had another insanely fun build while leveling Achilles' keepsake, ill list the boons by god
Adamant Rail - Aspect of Hestia
Zeus: Zeus' Aid, Double Strike, Heavens Vengeance, Static Discharge, Splitting Bolt (Legendary)
Ares: Slicing shot, Curse of Agony, Dire Misfortune
Demeter: Mistral Dash, Killing Freeze
Poseidon, Tempest Flourish
Hermes: Swift Strike, Flurry Cast, Greater Recall (Legendary)
Chaos: Favor
Duo: Vengeful Mood, Cold Fusion, Sea Storm
Hammer: Ricochet Fire, Hazard Bomb
raw blade
nice
steel gorge
I love hazard bomb
too bad I never get to use it because I run eris all the time now 😭
maybe I need to try hestia
cunning urchin
You can just share a screenshot of your build, too.
hazy dragon
anyone have any Arthur builds that isnt heartrend
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike; Smoldering Air; Second Wind; and all the dodge chance, damage reduction, and HP that you can find.
raw blade
or you can go hela defence with athena on ur attack
terse thistle
Well there’s them ice lasers…. Goes good with Arthur
bright fossil
Heartbreak Strike; Smoldering Air; Second Wind; and all the dodge chance, damage...
which hammer to take?
cunning urchin
Mainly Attack hammers. Greater Consecration is good, too.
Shadow Slash is really good.
bright fossil
ah cool
cunning urchin
If you can find Strike boons from Master Chaos, that would do a lot of work.
frail beacon
huh, so far my time record was world splitter build with aspect of nemesis
noble vigil
Trying to work out safest attempt to go for BF Build but figured it's probably just a little bit of git gud but range would be useful
And get divine dash
BF 30% is last achievement I need
turbid needle
butterfly? hestia rail is very easy
frail beacon
divine dash IME is like the most important boon for close combat
nimble gulch
God I hate aspect of guan yu. I never had a successful run with it
frail beacon
well, it cuts the health in half and is not that good for healing
it's IMO even worse than stygius with cursed slash
turbid needle
special builds with it are very powerful, spin builds too
its def better than cursed slash
cursed slash forces you to use base atk
nimble gulch
well, it cuts the health in half and is not that good for healing
it's IMO even ...
Which one is that?
frail beacon
Which one is that?
-60% max HP, +2 HP per attack
nimble gulch
No, i mean what is stygius?
frail beacon
ah, the sword
nimble gulch
You kidding me?
My first 5 ever victries relied on that perk and the sword
Like I couldn't finish the game with out that perk for a while
frail beacon
huh, I only won one time with it, won with 2 HP without death defiance charges left
initially I just was going for dash build with hoarding slash
nimble gulch
I beat ahdes at full health with it and no deth defiences used
frail beacon
well, yeah, I suppose my playstyle is pretty braindead, lmao
just spam dash attacks
ideally get +3 dashes from Hermes
nimble gulch
That's... actually how I play... unless I'm using excalibur
solar dawn
2 dash attacks, special, 2 dash attacks is best dps on sword
nimble gulch
Althou I usually stick to the 2 dashes
frail beacon
well, tbh best DPS seems to be world splitter
but you need world splitter for that, which is just one out of 12 upgrades
clever barn
God I hate aspect of guan yu. I never had a successful run with it
thought the same but after doing the combo special+double dash strike i think it's pretty decent
nimble gulch
hmm,...
bright fossil
If you can find Strike boons from Master Chaos, that would do a lot of work.
lol Zeus called carried most of the run ngl
nimble gulch
Chaos boons are great
nimble gulch
I... hadn't actually used that aspect
bright fossil
qanyu cheese is kinda fun if i get charge skewer first
outside of that i would give up
clever barn
just slap merciful end and anything works
bright fossil
Achilles is strong but i dont find it fun
nimble gulch
Oh boy.. If you put it that way, I don't find the game fun in general. Liek each aspect is good on it's own but when it's thrown in it's genra, I hate it
clever barn
best call so far IMO is athena's call, lol
ever tried zeus call with some buffs on the lightnings?
that's the real deal
frail beacon
yeah, it seems not bad too, but you need to stand close
proper furnace
like being melee is a bad thing 
nimble gulch
I find aphrodity's call amazing! she does A LOT of damage
frail beacon
poseidon call feels pretty bad tbh
proper furnace
poseidon call is fun
clever barn
poseidon call feels pretty bad tbh
it is bad
proper furnace
specially with rip current
frail beacon
I find aphrodity's call amazing! she does A LOT of damage
yeah, not bad
but it's more fun when artemis' call crits
clever barn
big chunky damage
nimble gulch
🤣 I actually hadn't used that one... ever
proper furnace
sad that ares doesnt have a call tho
clever barn
lol
frail beacon
lmao
bronze marten
poseidon call feels pretty bad tbh
Are you on controller or kbm?
frail beacon
kbm
bronze marten
That may be why, it’s great on controller
frail beacon
well, even then it's pretty bad against bosses
clever barn
i still find it clunky on controller
bronze marten
it’s like using a Star in Mario kart and driving into people
I use it primarily defensively
Rip current tho
it shreds
nimble gulch
Well... I am on controller and I'm not a bog fan of pesiden's call
proper furnace
if you can also work to get smoldering it gets fun
nimble gulch
Since I have to hover and colide with the enemy to deal damage
proper furnace
but tbf smoldering makes almost any call fun
clever barn
never tried rip current lol
bronze marten
Maybe I’m simping for it because my first 32 was smoldering rip current
bronze marten
never tried rip current lol
In general enables you to easily get three hits with your call
proper furnace
i wont say its great but its like the most fun to use
bronze marten
Also are you waiting for it to charge all the way? I find it way more useful to use it as I get it
The full bar actually leaves invincible time on the table if you have rip current lol
clever barn
Maybe I’m simping for it because my first 32 was smoldering rip current
my first 32 heat was with hestia divine dash
and lv 8 heroic heartbreak strike
lol
bronze marten
that’ll work too
Not much of a hestia guy myself, every time I use it im sad it’s not Eris
clever barn
hestia my beloved
frail beacon
for nemesis I prefer heart break special and frost strike
because the former does not stack
btw, the Dionysus fountain boon... the damage bonus from it must so neglible, due to additive rule
frail beacon
I mostly do it to get two negatives on enemies for +50% damage
clever barn
it's +40%
frail beacon
ah, right, +40
proper furnace
strong drink is global damage tho
is nice
clever barn
eh i find priviliged status kinda unreliable and comes pretty late
frail beacon
is global damage multi with non-global damage?
clever barn
like eris special
proper furnace
eris special makes for fun hangover builds
frail beacon
well, yeah, but e.g. global crit chance does not seem that nice, to compare
due to it being very low
clever barn
eris special makes for fun hangover builds
that's... very interesting
bronze marten
btw, the Dionysus fountain boon... the damage bonus from it must so neglible, du...
it also gives you up to six full heals including right before dad - not worthless
proper furnace
i dont mean as using hangover on special
but that +75% to hangover is fun
frail beacon
well, it's not worthless, I agree
clever barn
i dont mean as using hangover on special <:dusa:522248771409543188>
but that +75...
yeah yeah
bronze marten
I def got better switching to fam favorite, while I may be leaving damage on the table it also opens up brain cells to not have to think about p stats
clever barn
hangover on attack, ares on special
proper furnace
you can use ares curse
frail beacon
btw, does blood frenzy stack?
proper furnace
you also want aphrodite dio duo boon
bronze marten
No
clever barn
you can use ares curse
if you find it sure
clever barn
you also want aphrodite dio duo boon
i think that's a bit overkill and probably a lil diffcult
ares dio is stronger and more reliable than afro dio imo
frail beacon
you know what's fun? when you sell a duo boon to earn coins and get it again quickly after, and then sell it again
ah, hoarding slash likes it
bronze marten
On Eris it makes sense since getting eight hangover stacks is fairly easy to do
proper furnace
aphro dio is reliable tbh
unless you grab cast as your source of weak ig