im not stupid enough to spit into the face of two duo boons
#h1-builds-and-combat
boreal prism
I love lightning rod when you lean deep into zeus
I cant imagine cold fusion is doing much but maybe its alright
bronze marten
im not stupid enough to spit into the face of *two* duo boons
I’ve taken Arctic blast over a duo and a legendary before and it was the right call (Achilles glacial glare meme beams)
Cold fusion is meh
I’ve taken it to sell when I don’t need anything from Demeter and it’s situationally handy if your lightning damage comes from zeus aid
acoustic vale
IK you've already chosen by now, but it's not that good
sterile fiber
what parts of attacks do Swift Strike/Flourish affect? Like animation speed? Cooldown? All?
radiant violet
what’s a really good build for Lucifer?
bronze marten
what’s a really good build for Lucifer?
can’t go wrong with zeus attack go brr
radiant violet
ok i thought so but i thought i’d check if there was something better
proper furnace
fun things can be ares doom and dire misfortune, hangover, demeter artic blast ig
but yeah cant go wrong with zeus attack
best hammer being triple bomb by far
bronze marten
ok i thought so but i thought i’d check if there was something better
Try starting with coin purse and letting fate decide
radiant violet
aight
autumn zealot
messed around with guan yu and pierced butterfly at 32 heat (havent beaten it with spear yet) and got heroic aphro special and pommed it to lvl7. sadly no special hammers so died in elysium
proper furnace
for what?
dusky temple
Just general heat increase
bronze marten
So after you run fo1 and em2 td2 whats next?
Check out high heat strategies, that’ll give you the “core” used for 32 - pick and choose the ones you feel comfortable with, or just caution to the wind and yeet into em4
proper furnace
il say if you are just increasing the heat for rewards, pick whatever pact sounds fun and if it goes over a bit of your current heat, do it still and if it works use that same choice of pacts
dusky temple
Dc or the damage one ?
proper furnace
what weapon/aspect?
dusky temple
I pretty much stick to nemesis demeter or talos
proper furnace
dc should be fine then
dusky temple
So I ended up running hard labor and it wasn't an issue, but now I'm thinking between benefits package and middle management
proper furnace
BP has a prophecy related to kill at least 1 time an enemy with each benefit so that migh be worth?
dusky temple
Aye now we talking
proper furnace
some of them are biome exclusive btw
dusky temple
Well ill keep playing till I get the prophecy done
proper furnace
Is known how much extra bonus speed dad call gives? Also does gives bonus damage with RD?
lucid oar
Is known how much extra bonus speed dad call gives? Also does gives bonus damage...
1.5× speed (50% multiplicative), I'll check for the second point
Yes it gives you bonus damage, although it's a bit funky with hyper sprint
fierce hare
forced overtime hades boss fight is so much harder than the usual boss fight damn felt like i couldnt get a break from hades attacking
tropic bloom
what is the best build for the sword?
fervent elbow
Which aspect ?
fervent elbow
I mean: you want one for Zag sword ? Nemesis ? Poseidon ? Arthur ?
solar dawn
Merciful end is probably the best option
Although nemesis is better if you can get it
fervent elbow
Pick Merciful End build, start with Ares keepsake
Zag sword is quite weak on itself but ME build makes it decent
tropic bloom
ok, thanks!
wanton garnet
If I'm planning to run a privileged status build on Zag fists, which boons should I go for between Dio, Demeter and Aphro?
solar dawn
Id go Dio attack with aphro dash and special on Demeter fists
wanton garnet
All 3? Isn't that a bit of a waste when you only need 2 to activate privileged status?
wanton garnet
I'm running Zag fists
turbid needle
if you actually wanna run piv status use aphro dash to get the weak up a all times tbh
valid prism
Dio atk and Aphro dash
Or Ares atk and Aphro dash
Both work with PS and their duos as well
valid prism
Demeter works with PS but the duos you can get from her won't synergize that much
solar dawn
Running 40 heat hestia, I already have targetting system
Do I take triple bomb, hazard bomb, or seeking fire?
lucid oar
Hazard
lucid oar
Also big damage
solar dawn
ye!
haha healing go brr
Ok this is embarrassing but I forgot I already used the SD and I only get one and I am now back at the start
raw blade
F
solar dawn
did it once I can do it again ig
valid prism
Well... Take triple next time instead 
solar dawn
but big damage
strange lark
Ok this is embarrassing but I forgot I already used the SD and I only get one an...
nice
solar dawn
thank you 😄
strange lark
that was very poggers of you
valid prism
Fun fact: You're invincible once Hades is defeated so you can't die from hazard after the victory screen 👀
solar dawn
pulsar badger
Fun fact: You're invincible once Hades is defeated so you can't die from hazard ...
Thats actually every victory in an encounter. Even if a saw is coming at yoy or you stand in explosions you wont take damage if the last enemy is dead
solar dawn
You can take damage after that though
valid prism
You still can be hurt by hazard after clearing a room
solar dawn
IE me dying between biomes
valid prism
As long as the run isn't over
solar dawn
LC4 would be harder if you couldnt
valid prism
@pulsar badger What about this? https://clips.twitch.tv/EnergeticTiredPastaGingerPower-SivjSCQT_G65Akfb
😄
solar dawn
Poseidon call?
valid prism
Idk, sometimes something matter at the same frames when furies' fight ends and the traps aren't off
Unfortunately @proven osprey paid the price
solar dawn
Sounds like he should have just avoided the traps
valid prism
Well, he moved, considering that the fight was over, reading tchat and stuff
Then... woopsy
solar dawn
He got moved by poseidon call, if you finish a boss off with it it keeps moving you for a bit, I assume he got moved before the traps could get disabled
Does quick recovery work with lc4? I forget
valid prism
Well, so much things happen during a run so watching the hp bar while dealing with the rooms, it's not that easy to see it working
solar dawn
Also dont feel it very often, but at the very least it gives me something to purge for customs
iron locust
solar dawn
@strange lark sorry, it wont be happening again I have explosive fire/targetting this time 
strange lark
damn that sucks
solar dawn
probably cant win now right
strange lark
no
pulsar badger
Oh you meant hazard specifically
solar dawn
You can take damage after encounters by anything that hasnt been disabled really. Anything that was on the map before the chamber was cleared wont hurt you though (lava being an exception)
valid prism
Yeah I was talking about Hazard especially
I was testing if we can die after Hades fight and see if that triggers some special dialogues with Hypnos
But it's impossible
bronze marten
Hazard and LC4 is giant brain tho
solar dawn
rush delivery :D
bright fossil
which build is best on Aspect of Gilgamesh?
lucid oar
Merciful end or splash dash
bright fossil
wouldnt splash dash push enemies away from your low range?
cunning urchin
There's no single best build for any aspect really because it can depend a lot on what pacts you're taking and how experienced you are and stuff.
lucid oar
It does a lot of damage, and you can push them into walls for more damage
cunning urchin
It's more straightforward when you're just speedrunning because the pacts for that are pretty much always the same.
bright fossil
i just want some references of which build would synergize well with that aspecy
guess ill try merciful end and splash
to see which would feel better
cunning urchin
You can do an Attack-focused build with Heartbreak Strike, Dash-focused with something like Tidal Dash or Blade Dash or maybe Thunder Dash, or you can do some hybrid of that.
Or you can just go Merciful End because that works on everything.
bright fossil
i see tks
cunning urchin
You could also use Curse of Pain and do a build more around applying Maim and getting that extra damage on your Doom from that.
proven osprey
Sounds like he should have just avoided the traps
I just moved forward, no call. The fury was dead, the trap should have been disabled. It's a known bug
cunning urchin
All of those builds have been successful at really high heats.
sterile fiber
Does Swift Strike / Flourish affect only the animation speed or also the cooldown and chargeup speed (in case of bow and Beo)
cunning urchin
Should be cooldown and charge speed, too.
dusky temple
Heart rend is alright in gilgamesh
stark dagger
Whats a fun Rama build
split grove
is aspect of achilles better than aspect of zagreus?
split grove
rn im trying my first cast build
bronze marten
Whats a fun Rama build
Aphro special Artemis attack heart rend
Zeus special spam
Twin shot is always a good choice
stark dagger
Ok cool I’ve done Dionysus special with both the ares and Aphrodite duo boons that was pretty fun
split grove
just got a demeter artemis trial of the gods during a demeter artemis cast buildsd
split grove
hey how do i make my current build even more broken
turbid needle
I feel like duo boons pop up easily enough that God's Pride over Legacy makes way more sense or am I totally off?
steel swan
i only care about legacy if i want to get multiple duos or a specific legendary tbh
turbid needle
Thought as much, thanks for confirming!
proven osprey
however in many cases rarity is a bait
it's meaningful for some boons like zeus ares, poseidon for the dash
and ofc hermes
tbh Hermes is the reason why god's pride is better
his boons just are not the same at epic
steel swan
hyper sprint and rush delivery get so much value out of rarity it's actually insane
reflex as well
turbid needle
Love a Hermes boon so I'll roll with increased rarity for now
turbid needle
Epic hyper sprint is a good time, got it a few times now just feels plain good
bronze marten
I wish I could Pom hermes
lucid oar
Pommable greatest reflex 
acoustic vale
Huh, resetting Eurydice's room allows you to guarantee the rarity upgrades you want
That's two resetting related mechanics I've been told the exact opposite of
...is my game just bugged
bronze marten
may be worth opening a ticket in hades tech support channel. (or not, and keep those eurydice rolls)
solar dawn
Pommable greatest reflex <:shadeohboy:520448134590234651>
pommable rush delivery 
acoustic vale
Gooo
Would it really be a meme run though? You'd just never stop deflecting/tidal dash thing
bronze marten
Anyone got cool idea for a lucifer build?
dionysus attack liquor lasers yeeeeeehaw
bronze marten
I’m actually gonna do the same lol
dusky temple
What should I pair it with
We can pair with different things and see the difference
bronze marten
I’ll take what the game gives me lol
dusky temple
XD roll the dice
bronze marten
heeey man lasers are cool, have the good stuff
bronze marten
Lol I got it too, took something else
hollow shell
what build should i use with a sword though?
dusky temple
For fun or like a good one?
bronze marten
I’m using dio attack, aphro special and cast, thunder dash athenas aid (smoldering cheese may make this winnable lol)
(if I don’t blow this fury fight)
dusky temple
I have dio attack and cast thunder flourish and dash
bronze marten
what build should i use with a sword though?
Artemis attack, aphro dash, heart rend
Low tolerance just got
solar dawn
what build should i use with a sword though?
M e r c I f u l e n d
hollow shell
how do i keep my health up of not die?
dusky temple
Empty dash
dusky temple
Plus if you get the heart rend in tart and pomp anything they'll all die
hollow shell
well i try not to get hit as i go through the game though it get harder
solar dawn
Every enemy gelegraphs their attacks before, lets you know it's coming
Empty dash for iframes too like smokey said, you get iframes the entire dash if you're not attacking
bronze marten
well i try not to get hit as i go through the game though it get harder
Eventually you’ll get better
It takes practice
bronze marten
I just won a sweaty lernie
With 10 health left
Basically praying for smoldering at this point lol this isn’t scaling
Okay just got flash fire this feels WAY better now
dusky temple
I just did lernies entire first phase with one clip
bronze marten
Time for Theseus, this is gonna be sweaty. This got way easier with flash fire tho; the windup time was killing me
Also maybe not the best idea to do 32 with a weapon I have not used since March but yolo
At least asterius killed me, not Theseus. Hope yours ends better!!
bronze marten
Yeah lol
I’ve been playing this game a while; wanted to practice stubborn defiance
build just didn’t scale enough
dusky temple
Im just leveling up my heat on rail
bronze marten
I’ve done 40 with eris; but Eris is completely busted
bronze marten
Mega festive fog?
dusky temple
Yup
bronze marten
Super fun
dusky temple
Lightning death
bronze marten
I tried thunder dash lol
dusky temple
Plus dio legendary
bronze marten
Needed Zeus for my smoldering air plan after I realized I was in not the best spot haha
Was surprisingly solid w jolted
strange lark
Wait you're crazy you were doing 32
Yeah that's pretty crazy
dusky temple
I actually died to hades cause idk how to use lucifer lol
bronze marten
Yeah, I took the pacts that don’t bother Eris
It didn’t work out lol
aight next try out the meme beam death engine with Demeter casts, Artemis for homing, and here’s the kicker, use Stygian soul and Pom glacial glare so you can have like 10 lasers up if you get it to a high enough level (also chaos for more casts)
Remember for Arctic blast you need a Demeter attack special call or dash, cast alone doesn’t meet prerequisites
proper furnace
snow burst also works
gotta say, ruthless reflex beo is fun
as if the casts didnt do enough damage already
pulsar badger
okay finally getting back to the sword. gotta beat on zero heat still. who is best for sword boons?
sorry lemme rephrase
best for boss damage the most
boreal prism
just build towards heartrend
split grove
are there any boons that make your special homing? im tryna not miss every time i use shield special
boreal prism
heartrend nemesis is really ez to pilot
pulsar badger
what exactly is heartrend
proper furnace
artemis/aphro duo boon
pulsar badger
ok ill probly do tartarus with arty and asphdel with aphro then
somber citrus
i do not have a cast boon and i am trying to beat theseus with shield which dionysus boon should i pick: trippy shot or strong drink?
sterile fiber
are there any boons that make your special homing? im tryna not miss every time...
not for shield. Though Zeus shield is slightly more controllable? Maybe?
sterile fiber
off the top of my head, the only homing things you get are one of the rail hammers, and Chiron bow
split grove
not for shield. Though Zeus shield is slightly more controllable? Maybe?
im using chaos shield
split grove
im not very good at the rush si
sterile fiber
Lol don't worry about it
split grove
i wish duos could appear in trial of the gods
sterile fiber
They're probably not in a collaborative mood there
dusky temple
I thought duos could show up in trials
lone jetty
Legendaries can, but duos won’t
pulsar badger
legit got Heartrend as my FINAL boon xD i was so sad cuz the last one i grabbed from Charon's shop it was Aphro and Zeus talking and it turned out there were two duo options for me to pick lol
proper furnace
smoldering air is a fun duo too
terse thistle
i love ice wine
proper furnace
did zeus shield with poseidon, it was fun the moment i got sea storm
acoustic vale
Give me a meme build to go for
proper furnace
not exactly a meme but maybe poseidon/demeter duo on achilles?
acoustic vale
Thank you
proper furnace
doing the same run i suggested i feel like if i get mirage shot my fps will suffer lmao
turbid needle
Need some advice for the bow and the rail, as both feel wonky to a melee user, like myself.
raw blade
just like
stay away
and keep shooting
lmao
and for the bow use dash strikes
because fast charge
proven osprey
Eris and Zag rail are melee aspect, same for Hestia in the early game because you want to have a damage dash
acoustic vale
How does Ares Aid interact with Second Wind?
proven osprey
Eris relies on lightning strike and jolted on top of tidal dash. You want to special, get at melee range and get the sweet buff. Then you do it again. Using special during reload is nice because you'll skip the animation
proven osprey
How does Ares Aid interact with Second Wind?
Second wind lasts 6 seconds so you'll still get some of it
acoustic vale
So it doesn't boost the speed of the call?
acoustic vale
Yeah, remembered it was dodge, not damage lol
proven osprey
I don't remember the wording but it should be "after" you use your call
I don't think Ares call maintains any speed buff
acoustic vale
"after using" is what the wiki says. Which leaves it kinda vague if it starts after you hit the button or after it runs out
proven osprey
Even if you hyper sprint and instantly call
acoustic vale
I see
proven osprey
iirc Second wind triggers right after the call input
So you waste some of it on poseidon call and such
acoustic vale
Good to know
proven osprey
But 6 seconds is long enough, very good defensive boon
acoustic vale
Seems Zeus or aphro cast best with it, both because they don't directly alter Zagreus in a way to remove it's effects, and because smoldering air
fierce hare
what are the most common/best builds for nemesis sword?
delicate tusk
what are the most common/best builds for nemesis sword?
Heart Rend
Artemis Attack, Aphro Special to apply Weak
fierce portal
what do you think is the most efficient cast build for hera bow - ice wine?
fierce hare
from what ive played of hera bow aphro cast and poseidon cast are pretty good on it although for duo boons ud wanna find stuff like mirage shot and try to get artemis's legendary
proven osprey
Hera will go for Crush shot for efficiency. Then mirage shot, and some Demeter (snow burst, ravenous will)
That's for speed
However Dio's cast is funny on stygian
fierce portal
interesting. so crush shot is more powerful than trippy flare ?
lucid oar
Crush shot can kill enemies quicker because you get the casts back instantly, trippy flare can instaphase bosses more easily because of mirage shot
gusty rapids
trippy flare can be kinda fun but sitting around waiting for ur cast to come back is kinda sad
crush shot u just kill enemy pick cast up instantly and repeat
fierce portal
that’s true. but don’t you loose the waiting time with ice wine?
remote bough
Beowulf - trippy shot with Stygian. Is there a more RNG friendly version that doesn’t require chaos gate etc I typically get 1 extra cast and question if it’s more powerful by having 3-4 hit at once & managing my casts with something that dropped them instantly
valid prism
Trippy flare isn't friendly if we compare with the other casts "infernal soul" style
Having crush shot or flood shot with Infernal soul is an easier DPS to handle
mellow shale
turbid needle
special spam is rly safe esp with charged skewer
if you get spin hammers thats great
lunar flare
Spear Zagreus aspect, Artemis special and Chain Skewer is broken
Achilles is probably even more broken
valid prism
?
lunar flare
Chain Skewer = 7 chances for the spear to crit
valid prism
Chain skewer is unavailable with Achilles aspect
lunar flare
Oh TIL
valid prism
Even if that combination was possible, the 150% bonus doesn't apply to the special
lunar flare
Right
valid prism
However your plan will work with Hades aspect 😄
valid prism
Basically on Achilles, any hammer that can modify the raging rush mechanic can't be used
lunar flare
Mmmmm
valid prism
On the same logic, because the Hades aspect mechanic relies on the spin, it's impossible to find flurry jab with it
lunar flare
Almost like Supergiant are clever people
What's the best keepsake to take with Aspect of Poseidon? Obviously you're going for Exit Wounds, but maybe it's better to take any cast that lodges in Tartarus (i.e. take the coin purse) and then take the Arrowhead in Asphodel to grab Exit Wounds
Although you'd also build for Fully Loaded so maybe Arrowhead in Tartarus to get True Shot and keep going for Artemis boons?
turbid needle
I always start with phalanx shot
crush shot is also good
true shot is a garbage cast I wouldnt go w that
exit wounds and fully loaded are less important than having a good base dps cast
lunar flare
True Shot is 960 per 10 casts, and even more if you get Heart Rend
and True Shot has piercing
turbid needle
960 dmg in one cast? how are you getting that number
crits deal triple dmg and base true shot is 70, 100 with heroic rarity
its playable but if you want to optimize dps youre not gonna use true shot
valid prism
Flood shot can work as well
It's only 60dmg with common rarity but you can splash a lot of foes with it and adding rupture makes it better
fading panther
Imo, True Shot feels meh because it doesn’t hit AoE, while Phalanx does. For a cast aspect like Poseidon, you’ll need something to clear rooms quickly and Phalanx is great for that
I’ll take True Shot on most non-cast builds though, since the homing just makes it easier to just throw out there
turbid needle
phalanx also just has better pom scaling and deflects
Could someone help me with a build for Demeter Fists?
Dio Attack Artemis Special seems like a good idea for their duo, same with Athena Dash/Special and Ares attack for their duo.
uh
yeah merciful end is good
dio fists are nice but I neverfished for splitting headache with them
I'm currently going for the Dio/Artemis with dem cast for those duo boons. Beaten Hades twice with this but lost alot more.
lightning strike with aphro special for their duo is also rly good
turbid needle
dio fists are nice but I neverfished for splitting headache with them
The massive dps from hangover ticks then a charge special is great because it lands a crit 90% of the time, dealing upwards of 1000 damage. However its very unreliable.
solar dawn
If your going for hangover I'd go more for low tolerance/curse of nausea
turbid needle
yeah I usually use aphro special
solar dawn
The uppercut already does a massive amount
turbid needle
If your going for hangover I'd go more for low tolerance/curse of nausea
Dio Ares and Dio Aphrodite?
solar dawn
Yep
turbid needle
I don't recognise names that well.
How does Curse Of Nausea work? I've mainly ignored Ares tbf.
solar dawn
Hangover ticks 3 times a second instead of 2
turbid needle
So it's pretty much just more dps. Nice.
I'm gonna try an Ares Athena build then I'll try Dio Ares
I'm looking to get the other ending I've heard you can somehow get, so I just wanna beat Hades a bunch to hopefully trigger it
sterile fiber
if you put Dionysus on attack, Ares on Special, and Aphrodite on dash you open up both duo boons
Like this
wanton garnet
Is it just me or is Aphro's and Dem's duo boon just...really bad?
turbid needle
it is
proven osprey
Yep, hard to find a use to it. And I tried a fair amount of times
jovial fulcrum
Best I got was with a fist build, but it was tough to find good places to deploy it.
I had to, like, drop it and dash through the enemy to hit with it 🤷♂️
dusky temple
What
You don't have to use trippy shot for it
Aphro special on dem fists with dio attack would stack so much hang over.. now would it be good? Probably not
unborn hound
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proper furnace
Late to the hangover convo but using curse of vengeance instead of ares special would work better so you avoid opening ares/aphro duo
jovial fulcrum
you dont have to use trippy shot for what?
nocturne bolt
Is it just me or is Aphro's and Dem's duo boon just...really bad?
It takes a while to get used to, but I enjoy using it on Achilles spear
lucid oar
Late to the hangover convo but using curse of vengeance instead of ares special ...
Yes it is, also it's good because you have the attack slot free for aphro attack which means it's easy to apply weak for PS and low tolerance
bronze marten
Is it just me or is Aphro's and Dem's duo boon just...really bad?
I can think of zero reasons id use it over crystal clarity
solar dawn
They dont really do much ig cuz Im just dash striking but if I mess the dash strike up at least I do CHOP
turbid needle
Support fire on Malphon is great
Is there a way to force a duo boon
I need Athena Ares duo
proper furnace
dont pick boons that open other duos apart from athena-ares, use god's legacy if you have it, ariadne yarn from charon well and refreshing nectar both give better chance for duos
fill your core slots too (attack, special, dash and cast)
turbid needle
Do all God's have duo boons? Im not fully sure
turbid needle
Yes I do.
proper furnace
you can see the duo boons and its requisites
proper furnace
you are at mercy of rng then
strange lark
Do all God's have duo boons? Im not fully sure
hermes and chaos dont have duos
turbid needle
Ah. If I have one of the keepsakes would it increase the chance of it appearing?
lucid oar
Yes
turbid needle
Cool. Cool. I'll keep Athena Keepsake for the Dash and Duo for Elysium then
proper furnace
also dont take the chambers with 2 gods, you cant get duos there
turbid needle
Yeah. Trials never have Duos
Does fighting Asterius solo actually benefit me in any way later?
lucid oar
He has 20% less health in the heroes fight
autumn zealot
best chaos shield build for 32 heat?
lucid oar
Thunder flourish and more zeus boons
So static discharge, double strike and splitting bolt
Best hammers are explosive return and charged shot
fading panther
Trials only doesn’t give duos of the gods involved in the trial, right?
I think I have gotten duos from trials before, just not the duo from both of the gods involved
lucid oar
No you can't get any duos from trials
fading panther
Really? Maybe my memory is blurry and lying to me then
cunning urchin
32 Heat questions are better suited to #h1-high-heat-strategies.
worldly fog
With Achilles, I thought the 150% boost would be to the next 4 hits of a cast, but no it simply powers up the whole cast. So I found which spear aspect I'll be using forever
Got crystal beam and glacial glare but not the Demeter/Artemis and Artemis/Poseidon duos I wanted
Would probably also work for Ares' cast
languid forum
oo yea
worldly fog
I like most of the "normal" casts that go into enemies except Aphrodite's
But with the unnormal casts Demeter's is preferred, especially with the Artemis Duo
And I've had Poseidon/Artemis duo just to add some spice
proper furnace
i've used aphro cast during my sub 10 achilles but mainly bc it was the first to show up
it was a great damage anyways bc aphro is amzing 
cunning urchin
Lady Aphrodite is the bestest. 
worldly fog
She's great but not her cast
proper furnace
use hera then
lucid oar
Her cast is top tier on 2 aspects
cunning urchin
Eh, you can get sub 10 on any aspect with Crush Shot.
lucid oar
Can you get that with all your damage coming from crush shot? 👀
worldly fog
I don't have any sub 10 sooo
lucid oar
My PB has frost flourish: conclusion, frost flourish is the best boon for speedruns
worldly fog
Frost flourish on what
cunning urchin
Lady Demeter is the best at being the second god you'd want in a Crush Shot Hera build.
And er...
lucid oar
Pretty much
cunning urchin
She's also good at...
lucid oar
For like 2 boons
cunning urchin
m drawing a blank here, help me out. 
lucid oar
High heat without AP2?
cunning urchin
Mainly just for EM4, yeah.
It doesn't help that her boons don't scale with anything but rarity.
cunning urchin
Glacial Glare is the only one lol.
lucid oar
Well, at least that one scales really well with poms
cunning urchin
If you have Stygian Soul. If you have Infernal Soul, it doesn't really make a difference. Can't have more bloodstones out than you have.
You need to reset them less often, but... that's about it.
solar dawn
She's also good at...
Funny meme beam! That relies heavily on chaos!
sterile fiber
She's also good at...
getting shiny Heroic boons
sassing just about everyone else in duo convos
solar dawn
Also her legendary looks sick on bosses
languid forum
never got demeter's legendary
id like to try it one day
what's the quickest way
just rng?
strange lark
ask her nicely
languid forum
will try
bronze marten
REAP WHAT YOU SOW
prerequisites are two of glacial glare ravenous will and killing freeze I think?
Or Arctic blast
I know it’s 3 of them unsure which lol
And u need two
proven osprey
Artic blast yeah
sterile fiber
Arctic Blast, Rav will, Killing Freeze
valid prism
Having 2 of the 3 then praying the next time you encounter Demeter
strange lark
if you have a hard time deciding which boon to purge just purge all of them
strange lark
no
solar dawn
I should have done that
strange lark
you messed up
proven osprey
if you have a hard time deciding which boon to purge just purge all of them
this
stark lake
languid forum
if u take AP1 and dont actually have any boons to ppurge what happens
also what happens if u have no boons and get a pom
solar dawn
if u take AP1 and dont actually have any boons to ppurge what happens
you just dont purge, customs wont softlock you
proper furnace
for ap you simply pass
solar dawn
I assume you meant customs at least
proper furnace
for the pom it gives you gold
languid forum
oh ye a
my bad
o
i see
thanks
i meant customs yea sorry
i get them mixed up sometimes
solar dawn
happens to everyone
turbid needle
What is like the agreed build for the shield of Beowulf?
bronze marten
What is like the agreed build for the shield of Beowulf?
aphro or poseidon casts for best results
strange lark
Aphro for big damage
lucid oar
And mirage shot
strange lark
Poseidon for big aoe and easy mirage
steel swan
dio deals like a million damage but you need to run stygian and pray chaos doesn't screw you over extra casts
storm anchor
quick question mid run: does athena's deathless stand that gives me a bonus death defiance give me another defiance if im already full
cunning urchin
No.
storm anchor
Thanks
bronze marten
Brrrrrr
vivid crow
Anyone know what happens if you get a Chaos defiance with stubborn defiance?
Basically does it act like Athenas where you can get a bonus dd
cunning urchin
Yeah, but you don't need to lose your SD first to get it.
vivid crow
Oh sweet thx
jovial fulcrum
I wonder if they'd ever change the Athena boons so you don't have to do that
cunning urchin
No.
lusty mantle
thunder dash + splitting bolt + double strike + static discharge
had a lot of fun with a "dash" build
oh and add greatest reflex
bright fossil
What boon goes well with aspect of lucifer?
boreal prism
Zeus attack, aphro special works with all guns
But you can go wild on lucifer, try anything and it'll have a wacky effect
turbid needle
it's fun to try out anything on lucifer to see the beam in all possible colours
i personally like demeter attack because you can cosplay as a batman villain
boreal prism
Oh yeah I had a good time w that one
Poseidon special lucifer is also something you gotta try once... never had that much zone control in hades before
turbid needle
Did EM2 for the first time last night, that fight is super stressful now but also oddly easier? Can really burst down the heads. Really shocked at the EM stuff so far, really cool alterations to the fights
fierce hare
what are fun bulds for achiles spear?
fierce hare
then what are builds for achilles
solar dawn
Meme beam achilles is fun imo
fierce hare
ooo i was either thinking hunting blades cast build or smthn with demeter tracking beems
solar dawn
Hunting blades imo is stronger and faster but demeter cast is solid and fun
fierce hare
seemed cool to use like underutilized casts for this
solar dawn
Any cast you put on achilles if you use it as a cast weapon is viable
fierce hare
ill try hunting blades first then ty
lucid oar
Yeah all casts are solid with achilles
Ones like crush shot might not be as enjoyable though
solar dawn
I use non-lodging mostly on achilles, lodging on poseidon
fierce hare
yeah ive had a bit of fun with poseidon in the past
using artemis cast and just pomming it hard with mirage shot
turbid needle
Just did a crush shot Achilles build (for fulfilling a prophecy) and the damage is actually really good. Once you get blown kiss it feels a lot better
fierce hare
question shud i take stygian or infernal soul for hunting blades
solar dawn
Stygian and hope for chaos
fierce hare
can the blades backstab?
solar dawn
dont think so
turbid needle
Up to you but I just like Infernal
Can't backstab unless you get the duo boon that enables it as far as I'm aware
fierce hare
so im not gonna take shadow prescence then
raw spindle
any good build for rookie shield user
fierce hare
zag aspect?
raw spindle
zag aspect?
can be chaos since got it fully upgraded
fierce hare
ooo for chaos the most popular builds are zeus dionysus and ares
bright fossil
which hammer is best for luci?
bright fossil
Can you get the 5 bombs one?
solar dawn
nop
bright fossil
ah shame
solar dawn
Aside from triple bomb (and maybe one other) lucifer has its own set of hammers
bright fossil
is the uimited ammos worth?
solar dawn
no
raw blade
triple bomb with targeting system
bright fossil
ah i see
solar dawn
losing the ramping isnt worth it
raw blade
i think its worth with doom
solar dawn
most of your damage comes from the ramp
bright fossil
Ramping with zeus work?
solar dawn
ah ye with doom
Infinite ammo is ok with doom and maybe hangover, otherwise keep the ramps
zeus is really good on luci yeah
bright fossil
Zeus attack, aphro special works with all guns
Why aphro special again?
The 30% bonus damag?
bronze marten
Any chunk damage is a solid choice for your special - aphro Zeus opens up smoldering air which is amazing, but Demeter or Artemis specials also a good choice
man I find luci basically unusable without the hammer that speeds up attack start time 😦
wanton garnet
What's a good build for arthur?
fervent elbow
Aphrodite attack as the first boon, Zeus call, Smoldering air, Athena dash for safety. Static discharge is useful for more damage with call.
wanton garnet
Kek, I got Aphro special, cast and dash for my first boon
lucid oar
Rip
wanton garnet
Hammers for arthur?
languid forum
piercing wave falters compared to the other swords due to the slow swing time
so i wouldn't really recommend
fervent elbow
It's better than most other hammers
wanton garnet
Can I even use Double Edge to its full potential when I'm on switch?
fervent elbow
I dunno, I don't have a switch
bronze marten
Can I even use Double Edge to its full potential when I'm on switch?
i dont know what "full" potential means, but if you mean 32 heat arthur with it on switch, can confirm it's possible 🙂
cunning urchin
Kek, I got Aphro special, cast and dash for my first boon
Passion Dash is a good start on Excalibur.
solar dawn
I like arti attack on arthur more for beeg number
bronze marten
I like arti attack on arthur more for beeg number
heart rend artemis attack with dash will out DPS aphro, but way easier to get smoldering if you start aphro
cunning urchin
heart rend artemis attack with dash will out DPS aphro
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
bronze marten
let me do math
hm
prob needs pressure points and some other stuff to be true all the time
idk too many variables
i like my thousand damage crits 😦
mild raft
Arty vs Aphro attack comes down to boss damage vs general room clear
Aphro attack is more consistent and will help with clearing enemies more often but arty will generate big numbers against bosses or chunkier targets
But if you’re able to get Mark, arty attack is great for room clear as well
cunning urchin
Not really that great on Excalibur. It doesn't proc often enough.
Crit builds are good on crit aspects.
bronze marten
i simp for heart rend i guess
maybe its because rama, the weak on everything via the special is real nice
i should give nemesis a go, havent done that in a minute
mild raft
Rama doesn’t really need heart rend crits tho it’s already got amazing damage
I’m definitely more of a fan of DR on Rama for more consistent crits
bronze marten
Rama doesn’t really need heart rend crits tho it’s already got amazing damage
maybe not, but weak on every enemy then some four figure crits... mmmm
mild raft
Rama needs like a single attack boon and good hammers then it’s vibing
So like you can kinda do whatever you want with it
Divine strike DR is kinda gaming tho
bronze marten
#h1-victory-boasting message but...it has aphrodite in it 😦
cunning urchin
It's certainly way better than @mild raft's build
bronze marten
Divine strike DR is kinda gaming tho
once had a DR on rama then swapped my artemis attack for heroic demeter, that was a fun one
cunning urchin
I like Heartbreak Strike + Heartbreak Flourish on Rama.
bronze marten
hit 2500 on one shot
cunning urchin
That's the best combo.
mild raft
Frost strike is also kinda gaming on Rama
cunning urchin
mild raft
Killing freeze is 👌
turbid needle
yeah and I'll stay in bed
cunning urchin
yeah and I'll stay in bed
Same.
bronze marten
I just got up, cat demanded his daily offering of pets
And few things are stronger than aphro, but cat gravity is a contender
Now im jonesing for a run
bronze marten
Ever have stuff to do, but a cat is sitting on your lap?
Maybe the cat has aphro boons and I’m weak idk
unrelated side note, zag for smash?
bronze marten
Nothing and no one is stronger than Lady Aphrodite.
Ok redeeming myself now my first two rooms were aphro cast then Erebus Zeus special on 32 beowulf. I won’t purge aphro this time haha just gotta get smoldering yeet
acoustic vale
Nothing and no one is stronger than Lady Aphrodite.
Do you mean boon wise or fist fight wise
raw blade
yes
cunning urchin
Yes.
Nothing and no one is stronger than Lady Aphrodite.
Love conquers everything.
acoustic vale
Athena would win a fistfight I'm sorry
Goddess of war in more places than just Sparta and some island, and one of three entities explicitly outside of her domain
cunning urchin
And not even on Lady Aphrodite's level.
raw blade
🗿
acoustic vale
And not even on Lady Aphrodite's level.
Explain
terse coral
I've began to appreciate Demeter Cast build
acoustic vale
because get charmed
Explicitly outside her domain, remember
terse coral
status debuff ahoy
cunning urchin
The explanation is that you'll be fed to the sacred crocodiles for your heresy.
cunning urchin
Explicitly outside her domain, remember
Love conquers everything.
Crystal Beam builds can be quite fun, yeah.
raw blade
this explaination 🥴
a god committing heresy against a being on the same level
🥴
some wacky stuff
raw blade
me when both olympians
cunning urchin
She ought to worship Lady Aphrodite.
acoustic vale
Aphrodite ought to get stabbed in the stomach by a spear
bronze marten
yeet asphodel aphro legendary don’t mind if I do
cunning urchin
yeet asphodel aphro legendary don’t mind if I do
Excellent!
Lady Aphrodite likes to say "I don't mind if I do" in situations like that, too.
languid forum
i once got flurry shot, triple shot and aphro legendary in tartarus on zag bow
it was a very fun run
i didnt expect to win as i had sudden defiance on instead of DD
but i did somehow
strange lark
me when i get two hammers in tartarus 
merry oxide
relentless or concentrated volley for chiron?
lucid oar
Concentrated
bronze marten
Relentless if zeus, no?
lucid oar
Eh, even then it's probably still concentrated
But it's closer
Relentless makes the animation take longer
bronze marten
True
Was thinking arrow base damage not as big a deal w Zeus
idk I’m a Rama main
raw blade
based
cunning urchin
Relentless makes the animation take longer
I've yet to see evidence for that claim.
raw blade
i think i read this statement on a reddit post so idk about the credibility
mild raft
Thunder bad on Chiron anyways the internal cool down only lets you get like 2 bolts right?
If even
cunning urchin
Yeah, but that's still not bad. It's just less than you'd expect.
mild raft
Seastorm doesn’t have that internal cool down right?
cunning urchin
It does.
mild raft
Wait then it’s not even that good what the hell
cunning urchin
It is.
mild raft
I thought seastorm was some gaming type stuff but it’s just Zeus special with more steps
Is the cool down lower or something?
cunning urchin
I mean it's Tempest Flourish + Thunder Flourish, if you want to think of it like that.
Tempest Flourish does a lot of damage already.
mild raft
Yea but it’s percent based
I guess if you get conc on Chiron it would be pretty nuts then
cunning urchin
Tempest Flourish + Sea Storm is ideal for DPS on Chiron.
Though you'd want to start Tidal Dash.
mild raft
I know tempest flourish has a high percent increase but Chiron special doesn’t get much out of that without concentrated volley
Cause the base damage is pretty low
cunning urchin
10 per arrow. 8 arrows.
mild raft
Wait that doesn’t matter
Math moment
Ok yea that’s pretty decent
I just though maybe sea storm had some other stuff going on that wasn’t just “Zeus special but again”
But ig that’s all you really need some times
turbid needle
What are the best boons and aspects for the bow and rail?
vocal sierra
what are some good synergies overall?
raw blade
ares athena
vocal sierra
i mean with weapons
raw blade
hidden bow with zeus
solar dawn
like what weapons work well with Ares?
ares athena on everything
raw blade
i feel like Ares is kinda bad AF lol
nevah
solar dawn
merciful end always works
vocal sierra
hidden bow with zeus
aspect of zeus?
vocal sierra
ares with achilles and homing blades
Ares works well with aspect of achilles?
raw blade
yes
vocal sierra
with the arti duo (hunting blades) is insane
i see
bright fossil
what does atk spd boon from hermies do to aspect of Lucifer
make the beam ramp up faster?
surreal wagon
Does swift flourish + aspect of Zeus make it attack more often
How exactly does it work
surreal wagon
Soooo it's basically useless then?
strange lark
Yeah
surreal wagon
Alright that's an easy purge lol
strange lark
Nice
bronze marten
Except in the brief window where he has wretches, yes
onyx grotto
So.. i will take Positive Outlook then
cunning urchin
The skulls he casts also count as enemies for Bad Influence.
surreal wagon
Alright that's an easy purge lol
Run died to trying to fight 2 butterfly balls and em4 all at once 
onyx grotto
The skulls he casts also count as enemies for Bad Influence.
Yeah, but this is good only for 1 combat, second he always be alone.
at least in my heat
bronze marten
So.. i will take Positive Outlook then
Bad influence isn’t useless, just in the hades fight for the most part
cunning urchin
Yeah, but this is good only for 1 combat, second he always be alone.
He still casts his skulls in phase 2.
onyx grotto
i never had skulls in phase 2
turbid needle
Is there like an optimum timing for Meg's summon? Seen a couple of runs where it's used to basically nuke mini bosses but mine keeps whiffing or only hitting a single enemy (looking at you witches circle)
languid forum
is flurry slash good on any sword?
lucid oar
Is there like an optimum timing for Meg's summon? Seen a couple of runs where it...
http://imgur.com/gallery/4pXZpCl basically just do this. You want to stand just above the bubble in the lava, use autoaim to target the top witch, then meg when the witches line up
You can meg a lot earlier than this video and it will still be fine
lucid oar
is flurry slash good on any sword?
Not really for optimal DPS, but it's a fun hammer nonetheless
turbid needle
http://imgur.com/gallery/4pXZpCl basically just do this. You want to stand just ...
Oh that's perfect thank you for that! I hate that mini boss with a passion on non Athena runs haha
fierce portal
can you guys recommend a good manageable stygian build for heat > 16?
mild raft
Depends on the aspect
Nem likes it’s crits so you just add more crits and go for Heart Rend
Poseidon does good with Phalanx Shot just in general, you can go for lightning phalanx or exit wounds or whatever but just the basic cast is usually enough
Arthur is big damage it likes more damage, stuff like arty or Aphro on attack and you’re gaming
Zag sword is lmao
misty sun
What's good on Hades Spear?
mild raft
Using Guan Yu instead
But you want exploding launcher or else the weapon is just kinda lame
Aphro attack is never a bad option
misty sun
A 70% health reduction is sonehow better?
mild raft
50%
Also GY’s special is like actually usable without a specific hammer
Granted it gets a ton out of charged skewer
misty sun
mild raft
GY is a lot of damage and gives you healing even with LC4
Nah upgrade it
It’s 50% at lv5
GY is definitely one of the aspects you need to upgrade before using
But the attack pattern of Special > Dash Strike > Dash Strike is really good at room clear and with deadly flourish it’s good on bosses
And charged skewer makes GY so good
The thing with Hades is you want exploding launcher to even get anywhere with the special in the first place
And once you get exploding launcher your special is your main source of dealing damage
But before you get exploding launcher your special sucks ass
misty sun
And you don't use the spin attack gimmick, why?
proper furnace
for guan yu is bc unless you have quick spin, its a pretty un safe attack that wont really recover much hp/do decent damage
mild raft
You do but it’s good in between wave spawns
The special is just better for clearing
If you get quick + massive spin hammers you can spin more aggressively if you have a good attack boon for it but outside of that specific hammer combo I wouldn’t really bother with it too much
misty sun
...then how do you heal with it?
mild raft
You heal in between waves
boreal prism
you dont have 400 health and trying to heal it 2 hp at a time
mild raft
The problem with spinning is the startup, you can cancel the end lag with a dash so it’s very safe if you use it while enemies are spawning
fading nymph
Level one gy is probably worse than Hades spear though
Especially if your not used to spear
hollow hedge
hi guys, I am sort of new to the game and just a quick question,
What is the best build for the mirror of night? '
I normally play gun, shield, gauntlet
boreal prism
People usually switch it up a little bit based on what they're about to play
boreal prism
You probably want backstab on gun, and multiple dashes, off the top of my head
knotty shale
Hello. Anyone have a good build for the Guan Yu spear?
It feels so slow, so maybe a dash thing is good?
boreal prism
GY is a little bit like bow... you can only use the charge attack when you know you won't be hit
Otherwise just mash the special
The secret to GY is that the special is really strong
Athena and demeter are good gods if you wanna get hit less
knotty shale
I have charged right now, so I should look for Artemis special?
I have divine dash now also
boreal prism
Arte special will get you places, yeah
knotty shale
Oop I'm dead. Missed the timer for heat
fading nymph
You probably want backstab on gun, and multiple dashes, off the top of my head
Rail wants firey for the special
Because it can’t backstab
The base damage of attack is low so it doesn’t benefit much from backstab
Bc the attack is doing damage from Zeus
indigo trellis
Any guan yu tips
fading nymph
Charged skewer
It makes the special really good
Only spin in between enemy waves
The charging up is dangerous but you can dash out of the end lag
acoustic vale
Use a better weapon than the spear
fading nymph
It also really needs levels
delicate tusk
Hello. Anyone have a good build for the Guan Yu spear?
A heart rend build!
I'll quote Nyaanyaa here (love ya)
Nyaanyaa's Quick Guan Yu Guide
Generally on Guan Yu, the hammers you want are Charged Skewer > Quick Spin > Massive Spin > Breaching Skewer or Serpent Wing. Serrated Point is good if you have extra dashes. And Breaching Skewer becomes top priority for the second hammer if you have Charged Skewer already.
Charged Skewer shortens the startup of Guan Yu's Special a whole lot and lets you hold your Special for up to triple base damage.
You'll want Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish ideally, anyway, for the high % damage. Guan Yu's Special has 45 base damage, piercing, and wide AOE. Anything with % damage is good on Attack except Tempest Strike is unorthodox and requires fully leaning into Poseidon to make it work (though it can be effective and fun).
For optimal DPS, you're either doing Special > Dash-Strike x2 or Cast > Dash-Strike x2 with Guan Yu. Cast for single-target, Special when you can hit multiple enemies with it (or if you have Charged Skewer). And just your Special and reposition if it's enough to one-shot things (which it often is if you have Charged Skewer).
@indigo trellisyou too
vocal sierra
Oh
delicate tusk
Aphro and Artemis both work well
fierce portal
Arthur is big damage it likes more damage, stuff like arty or Aphro on attack an...
thanks man. I think I will check out Arthur with Aphro attack. Maybe with Artemis. Gotta love heart rent
fierce hare
this is hilarious im on a crystal beam run and i have stygian soul with 4 casts rn its amazing
im just cycling through 4 casts and it never ends
fierce hare
yeah
vocal sierra
thanks
boreal prism
zeus atk works on all guns except maybe hestia
fading panther
Just like Eris
wanton garnet
How are you supposed to play shield? I've been told it's fun, but it just feels clunky to me
vocal sierra
zeus atk works on all guns except maybe hestia
i see
is parting shot good for... anything?\
lol
aphrodite cast maybe?
pulsar badger
what works with aspect of zagreus on the rail?
My first clear in general was Zag Rail and i just stacked doom on my shots with dire misfortune and impending doom.
Zeus is good for add clear. But those three Ares boons shred bosses
fading panther
How are you supposed to play shield? I've been told it's fun, but it just feels ...
Use the Bull Rush
Move around the room with that
vocal sierra
My first clear in general was Zag Rail and i just stacked doom on my shots with ...
that sounds trong
strong
fading panther
Pair it with Poseidon dash if you want a room clear move
Not as nice as Zeus attack but Poseidon dash is strong with its support boons
pulsar badger
Mmf. In tartarus, Nemesis run, got Arty attack, aphro special, and Heartrend already lol
pulsar badger
Ugh soem explosive brightblades took all my DDs and i died from Asterius in the final elysium fight lol
fierce hare
i made a gigantic mistake im on beowulf run and ive been wanting to complete some duo boons for the fated list and i took the ares poseidon duo without knowing what it was now im useless ALSDMA
delicate tusk
i made a gigantic mistake im on beowulf run and ive been wanting to complete som...
Dw - just remember that you deal damage around you for 3 seconds
For next time
It's actually somewhat okay, despite the staggered damage
solar dawn
It's not bad if you hard focus into it
I have a clip of it skipping the cerbie summon on em4
fierce hare
Dw - just remember that you deal damage around you for 3 seconds
luckily i finished the run but it wasnt okay .-. well mostly cuz i also didnt have mirage shot that run or extra casts
lucid oar
Yeah sadly you can't get mirage shot with curse of drowning
solar dawn
I had this COD run, it was very nice
got rush delivery through plume then took it off for hourglass cuz Im a pepega
solar dawn
luckily i finished the run but it wasnt okay .-. well mostly cuz i also didnt ha...
Main things with curse is poseidon sword and greater recall imo, otherwise its kinda painful
fierce hare
Main things with curse is poseidon sword and greater recall imo, otherwise its k...
well i was on beo shield so uh
fierce hare
didnt really go too well huge lag on the damage and i got hit every time i tried to damage an enemy
just easnt used to it at all i think
solar dawn
fair, Its not the best duo but its fun if you get lucky
fierce hare
it seems fun! but like on beo shield where i didnt have a cast boon or a good attack boon i really had to rely on using it since everything elae did so little damage
solar dawn
If you really wanna have it work Id give it another shot on posiedon sword/achilles spear for the bonus damage
vocal sierra
how do u use aspect of chaos properly?
i heard its strong but it doesnt seem that much
fervent elbow
This aspect is not strong imo
Zeus on special + static discharge + splitting bolt if you find it
I heard chaos was strong before 1.0 but that's before its nerf
vocal sierra
ohh rip then
fierce portal
how do u use aspect of chaos properly?
it works well on lower heat levels if you put ares on special. But it needs also Dire Misfortune at least.
vocal sierra
i see
proven osprey
You can have different play styles. I like shotgunning with Dionysus
indigo trellis
<@!564917481731260441>you too
Thx i beat hades with ares aphro build with guan yy
Yu
delicate tusk
Well done!
lunar flare
Poseidon aspect special not being able to remove bloodstones on impervious enemies is a design oversight
If I phase Lernie with the cast I lose access to my gimmick
turbid needle
yeah that has annoyed me before as well. build your whole run around your cast and then you can't use it lol