Does not matter if you're using DDs or SD
#h1-builds-and-combat
proven osprey
proven osprey
o7
proper furnace
ig il ask here, is there a guide on how to aim meg on certain enemies?
specifically witch circle mid boss
lucid oar
I'll post a slow mo video of what I do, it's not the most efficient but it works every time for me
You can cast on melee weapons to auto aim
proper furnace
ty, will try that if the opportunity comes up
solar dawn
stealing that 
proven osprey
Heart rend 
proper furnace
fates were nice and got the witch circle pretty quick, worked perfectly, ty
edgy mauve
http://imgur.com/gallery/4pXZpCl
how could u not pick heart rendo
edgy mauve
ah yes
cunning urchin
RTA moment even tho I was running IGT
But... you already know if it's shiny, it's either Heart Rend or Mirage Shot. Why even look at anything else. 
lucid oar
Idk, this was like one of my first Hera runs lol
cunning urchin
Excuses upon excuses. 
jovial fulcrum
They're just flexing, surely
worthy dagger
BEST HAMMERS NEMESIS ASPECT ?
proven osprey
DOUBLE EDGE PIERCING WAVE BREACHING SLASH BUT DOUBLE EDGE BEST BY FAR
worthy dagger
OPTIMAL BUILD ?
proven osprey
HEART REND, DEADLY STRIKE. HEARTBREAK FLOURISH AND PASSION DASH ARE FINE
worthy dagger
DO I WANT APHRO OR ART KEEPSAKE AT START
proven osprey
PROBABLY ARTEMIS, ATTACK IS IMPORTANT. NOTE THAT HEARTBREAK STRIKE IS ALSO A VIABLE OPTION
worthy dagger
come coach my insane mega mind genius mastermind gaming prodigy keyboard warlord gameplay
wait
is there no vcs
proven osprey
proven osprey
You'll be fine, stick to special, double dash strike rotation
take some chaos gates to get attack/dash strike bonus
solar dawn
Arti dash is good too for that, even better with double edge
proven osprey
absolutely
strange lark
you also get a loyalty card
gusty rapids
you get a discount on all items for the rest of the run
strange lark
it gives you a 20% discount on all shop items
gusty rapids
it’s like -20% or something
cunning urchin
He dies, and you'll never get to shop again, and no one ferries the dead to the Underworld.
Bad ending.
gusty rapids
jovial fulcrum
A handful of times I've gotten Heart Rend Nemesis w/ Aphro attack and Double Edge.
was pretty poggers
i think for one of them i even had the nuts w/ Piercing wave as well
strange lark
idk
worthy dagger
did you take chaos keepsake
worthy dagger
i will go wacko mode backstab build
solar dawn
how much were you hitting for
fallen mirage
Shadow Slash for big number, Double Edge for go fast
worthy dagger
i have choices for consecration, super nova and breaching slash
fallen mirage
I'd recommend Breaching, but I'm not an Arthur runner
worthy dagger
i trust u
cunning urchin
Breaching Slash is nice but won't really help that much vs bosses, so that's something to consider.
proven osprey
Breaching is comfy for Lernie and Elysium in general
solar dawn
What are some good builds for demeter fists?
lucid oar
Merciful end
sterile fiber
copypastaing
#h1-builds-and-combat message
lucid oar
Yeah that
worthy dagger
hunter dash or hunters mark
proven osprey
For?
lucid oar
Which weapon
cunning urchin
What's the rest of the build?
You can link a screenshot from something like imgur or a private discord server.
solar dawn
And you'll never hit your dash upper again
jokes on you I cant hit space q and w at the same time anyway 
proven osprey
Mark is an amazing boon
worthy dagger
arthur
lucid oar
Take mark
lucid oar
If you've only got the cast, mark isn't great tbh
So it is dependent on the build/weapon, which is why we ask this
But in general mark is waaay better
proven osprey
jokes on you I cant hit space q and w at the same time anyway <:egg_sunglasses:4...
You'll say that to the bombers you'll send flying 
worthy dagger
is mark with art atk pagman
lucid oar
It's good, yes
Even with just pressure points, on a fast weapon you'll be critting all of the time
proven osprey
Ting ting ting
cunning urchin
Hunter's Mark on Deadly Strike Excalibur is... alright.
proven osprey
With dedge why not
cunning urchin
Decent. But if you're doing (almost) exclusively the normal Attack combo and not Dash-Attacking much, you don't get anything out of it.
lucid oar
I don't even know what I do with arthur
proven osprey
But if you really want heart rend, you'll go passion dash so 
lucid oar
I think I dash strike -> double dash repeat
worthy dagger
is that how i should be using arthur
proven osprey
Nah
lucid oar
It's more fun to use the big chonky swings
proven osprey
The neat thing is dashing between attacks to keep the combo
cunning urchin
Excalibur does few hits that hit hard, so the crit variance is high, the total number of crits is low, and Hunter's Mark has less opportunity to proc.
worthy dagger
hoarding slash > shadow slash ? LOL
cunning urchin
It gets a lot better if you have Drunken Dash + Pressure Points or Splitting Headache since that will get a lot of crits.
worthy dagger
i have 900 stones
lucid oar
Shadow is better
cunning urchin
Shadow Slash is better, yeah.
proven osprey
Yeah
cunning urchin
You'll need a lot more money than that to make Hoarding Slash good.
But it can be good.
worthy dagger
passion dash or broken resolve
proven osprey
I'd say the dash since you only have the special to apply weak
worthy dagger
true
cunning urchin
m literally never gonna answer a question like that without seeing the rest of the build.
proven osprey
Arthur special being a bit clunky
proven osprey
There's a trick
cunning urchin
Don't avoid the swear filter like that, though.
worthy dagger
oops
proven osprey
When you pick the boon, say "HEART REND"
worthy dagger
bet
wintry kernel
Hi
candid belfry
taking level 2 of time limit might start being a regular thing on my heats
worthy dagger
i had perfect arthur build and i died to the fcking skulls hades shoots out
im done with this game today
wintry kernel
Plus I have Deus ex Machina at 68%
candid belfry
weapons dont matter much tbh
the real secret is the mirror
and especially getting more levels of death defiance
which gives you more revives
but overall the easiest weapons to do it with are gonna be spear bow and rail
you just wanna focus on playing more carefully and learning attack patterns to avoid damage, and upgrading the mirror
until you get the right combination of boons
languid forum
i find sword much easier than rail to win with
digital bramble
Regarding early game.. What are builds that are good for the base weapons, from sword to shield, since I don’t have fists and rail
digital bramble
Makes sense
cunning urchin
taking level 2 of time limit might start being a regular thing on my heats
If you can get sub 18, you can do TD3.
TD2 should be pretty free.
acoustic vale
Does mirage shot's second cast get the bonus damage from Achille's thing
cunning urchin
Yes.
acoustic vale
Strong drink chamber 7? Yes please
languid forum
miam miam
terse thistle
Found this off Reddit has anybody tried this with Beowulf?
Boons:
Trippy Flare (Dionysus): Your Cast damages foes around you, leaving behind Festive Fog.
Static Discharge (Zeus): Your lightning effects also make foes Jolted.
Grasp (Chaos): Gain +1 Cast.
Duo Boons:
Ice Wine (Dionysus + Demeter) - Your Cast blasts an area with freezing Festive Fog that inflicts Chill, damage +50%.
Scintillating Feast (Dionysus + Zeus) - Your Festive Fog effects also deal lightning damage periodically.
Cold Fusion (Zeus + Demeter) - Jolted status does not expire on your enemies' attacks.
proper furnace
I dont like ice wine on beo, feels like is slower to come out
lucid oar
Found this off Reddit has anybody tried this with Beowulf?
Boons:
Trippy Flare...
If you want 2 secondary gods in a trippy flare build, the best ones are Artemis and Poseidon. Deadly strike is the best attack boon on Beowulf by far, and tidal dash is always good. However mirage shot is the best duo boon on Beowulf, it's essentially double damage on all flares, as opposed to 1.3× damage on all casts.
Also ice wine is +30% iirc
terse thistle
If you want 2 secondary gods in a trippy flare build, the best ones are Artemis ...
so you're saying everything go splashy boom?
lucid oar
Not everything but most things yeah
terse thistle
i'll take it. can't wait to do a test run
lucid oar
Like you wouldn't go tidal dash on Rama for example
terse thistle
while not great build i found good success with Aphrodite and dionysus for bow. add in artemis and duo boons be popping
acoustic vale
Strong drink chamber 7? Yes please
I also got epic level side hustle in Tartarus. It's free real estate
Woot! Sea storm!
I also think I've finally figured out how bow dash strike is supposed to work
...am I right here that concentrated volley sounds really good with Chiron?
proper furnace
Wich one was that again +4 arrows or +3 for each one that hits? Anyways both are good
acoustic vale
+3 for each one that hits
proper furnace
If you are using artemis/aphro is good, ye
acoustic vale
That's... not what I'm using...
cunning urchin
Concentrated Volley is great, yeah.
rotund nebula
Does the dash not give invincibility frames? I keep getting hit when i should be fine..
acoustic vale
I'll keep this is mind if I run into it
proper furnace
Does the dash not give invincibility frames? I keep getting hit when i should be...
If you are dash striking it doesnt give i-frames
edgy mauve
Does the dash not give invincibility frames? I keep getting hit when i should be...
if u dash strike it doesnt give iframes anymore
empty dashes do though
rotund nebula
Is that a different button? lol or a skill you get?
cunning urchin
Empty dash = dash without attack or special or anything
edgy mauve
if ur just dashing then ur either dashing too late or dashing too early
no reason u should get hit if ur supposedly empty dashing attacks
rotund nebula
Most likely a timing thing then. Thanks for the info
acoustic vale
if u dash strike it doesnt give iframes anymore
That explains... a LOT
proper furnace
delta chamber rail still gives i-frames on dash strike iirc
acoustic vale
Am I supposed to start charging the bow attack and then dash to activate dash strike on it, because that's the only way I've been able to get it to activate semi consistently
acoustic vale
I'll keep this is mind if I run into it
I ran into it, but went with piercing volley because Theseus is a thing
turbid needle
Managed to get a few runs in after work (got to ||Hades on run 3 with a spear attempt||) and I feel like Aphrodite attack is very strong. Would it be worth giving her nectar to try and get the keepsake?
edgy mauve
wdym try?
turbid needle
Oh is it guaranteed?
edgy mauve
yeah
terse thistle
Oh is it guaranteed?
Guaranteed on all of them first friendship juice
turbid needle
Oh I'm a dumb dumb. I had it in my head I didn't get Cerberus' until the second one I gave him
full beacon
Lol. Happens man
cunning urchin
Just follow this Nectar-gifting guide. https://twitter.com/dianaii__/status/1336090118218801153
turbid needle
Replace Aphrodite with Megaera and I'm 90% certain that's where all my nectar is going.... that voice
sterile fiber
I got Hades because of Orpheus' songs so all of mine went to him, then I got sad when I hit the locked heart.
cunning urchin
Heretic.
edgy mauve
my first bond was charon
turbid needle
Charon + Hades interacting gets me every time, I know I'm very early doors but the writing is so on point
On the build front though, is there a way down the line to attempt to get different boons? I've had a few duds from gods I was looking for and wished I could get them to give me a different option
sterile fiber
I'm surprised nobody in the entire realm of Greek myth inspired media (that I've seen) has shipped Charon and Hades. Like Charon is literally Pluto's moon and they face each other all the times in their orbits
sterile fiber
On the build front though, is there a way down the line to attempt to get differ...
Fated Persuation, it's the last green mirror skill.
turbid needle
Ah okay, I'll work on opening the mirror up more then. I'm shooting to unlock the weapons first
sterile fiber
yeah it's really expensive too, you'll get there when you do.
turbid needle
Totally luxury investment then, oh well I'm just having fun using whatever the darkness buff thing is on. It's letting me fill the mirror in pretty quick
terse thistle
Yeah once you unlock and max the mirror stuff you’ve pretty much turned the tides in your favor
turbid needle
There's another death defiance available which is really cool, should hopefully let me reach the final zone again once I get it. Elysium is a ball buster
sterile fiber
until you decide to torture yourself and turn it back off
terse thistle
There's another death defiance available which is really cool, should hopefully ...
All I will say is… once you figure out the trick with Elysium it gets much much less infuriating
turbid needle
There's a trick? Alright, alright I'll get to thinking about that
terse thistle
Yeah it’s called kill the ones that could respawn ASAP. Once you eliminated the bigger threats things always become more manageable. And don’t get hit by the traps.
turbid needle
Oh yeah that's priority number one. I live in constant fear of the tiny chariots haha
turbid needle
My latest run had two rooms with them back to back followed by a fight with ||the bull|| and that's where I died haha
terse thistle
My latest run had two rooms with them back to back followed by a fight with ||th...
Biggest thing with that battle is your wanna take things a bit slower unless you have the build to rack up damage fast. And he becomes predictable after a while.
turbid needle
Yeah aggression is my killer so far, when I slow down I fare much better. But it's just so fun to zip around with dash boons
terse thistle
If you enjoy dash boons Poseidon, Dionysus and Demeter are my usual picks
turbid needle
I've not seen Poseidon yet unfortunately! Only got 4 attempts done so far. I get lots of Zeus though
edgy mauve
actually i take that back i dont know enough about it mb.
terse thistle
Poseidon dash plus Zeus equals pain… for the opponents
edgy mauve
splash dash is so poggers
terse thistle
Dem dash ain’t bad it just needs a few extra touches in boons to be effective
edgy mauve
u mean a absolute blizzard in boons
MEHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH MY PUN GAME IS SO GOOD
strange lark
Dem dash is good if you get killing freeze I guess
proper furnace
Is the speed at wich god gauge builds up based up on hit count or damage done?
lucid oar
Hit count
cunning urchin
Both.
More damage builds more god gauge, but it's not linear. Doing 100 damage in 10 hits will build more god gauge than doing 100 damage in 1 hit.
mild raft
God gauge fills faster with multiple hits rather than less stronger hits
Things like hangover, and fast attacking weapons like fists, rail, and flurry jab spear are great at charging the call meter
Dionysus call is ironically really good at charging call as well since the hangover stacks will exist after the call gauge runs out and will continue to charge your call afterwards
candid belfry
ive never heard of damage mattering
are you suggesting that a single 100 damage hit is more gauge than a 10 damage hit?
cunning urchin
Not just suggesting. That is how it works, yes.
Dealing 1 point of damage charges 0.01% of your god gauge. It's linear up to 60 points of damage.
So, dealing 60 points of damage will charge 0.6% of your god gauge.
But 100 points of damage will only charge 0.66% of your god gauge.
cunning urchin
It's damage/100 up to 60 damage. And 60 + sqrt(damage – 60) when you do more than 60 damage.
candid belfry
otherwise artemis call would loop on crit
cunning urchin
You can't build any god gauge while your Call is active.
candid belfry
they choose to make it count as active until the effects it creates disappears then
but not the status debuffs the effects cause
its interesting stuff
pomming the attack on rail or fists increases your gauge rate
cunning urchin
Right.
candid belfry
lodged cast and everything contributes to that 60?
making it just if it displays 60 when you hit them
static karma
What’s the formula for how much god gauge you gain when Zagreus takes damage?
robust anchor
i really like the one that makes dash attacks better and the one that makes your attack hit twice
fading nymph
pulv blow, dashing wallop, and charge shot
cunning urchin
lodged cast and everything contributes to that 60?
Right.
cunning urchin
What’s the formula for how much god gauge you gain when Zagreus takes damage?
60% * damage/max HP
So, taking as much damage as 100% of your max HP will charge 60% of your god gauge.
turbid needle
gets killed to charge god gauge
frigid pewter
What are the better casts for Achilles aspect?
cunning urchin
You can do great builds with all of them.
I wrote a Cast Build Guide here, for what to look out for in general. #h1-builds-and-combat message
turbid needle
In terms of putting builds together, is about using god keepsakes to try and manipulate who appears and leaving slots open for things you want? Never played anything like this before, so not sure if I should just fill my attack, special etc with things as soon as I can
boreal prism
maybe understanding the "god pool" would help
once you have boons from 4 or more gods (excluding chaos and hermes), the game will not offer you boons from other gods (excluding chaos and hermes) unless you use a keepsake
(and if you purge a boon that god stays in your pool)
some weapons are better with some gods, so if you get those gods by using a keepsake, you know you'll probably see them again
turbid needle
Okay that makes total sense, explains the final attempt I had last night. I guess I've got to be a bit more selective and not just go for a boon room every time I see one!
boreal prism
avoiding a god that's bad with your weapon can be a good strategy
uh there's a lot of minutia that goes into the decisions you make, too much for me to explain (i am sleepy)
but here's a cool trick! you can tell a room is a miniboss room because it has a skull on it. those rooms always give you boons, and those boons have higher rarity. eventually, you'll unlock the ability to reroll a room. if you reroll a room with a miniboss on it (outside of styx), it will give you another miniboss room, with a different boon
turbid needle
but here's a cool trick! you can tell a room is a miniboss room because it has a...
That's cool, so it's like the risk of taking on the miniboss vs the reward of getting a better boon. Thanks for all this info!
formal pasture
That's cool, so it's like the risk of taking on the miniboss vs the reward of ge...
if you play more and more, you will realise miniboss rooms are usually way faster too
easier too if you just burst the shield and hit them at point blank
turbid needle
I see, I found that to be the case in the last level at least. I lose more health on the regular rooms there for sure
turbid needle
I think I know what you mean, wiped me on attempt 4
solar dawn
In the current wr, he's hitting for 82 with each hit with beowulf. Is that some kind of animation cancel?
cunning urchin
Nope. Probably just Fiery Presence etc.
edgy mauve
beo doesnt have any animation cancels afaik
edgy mauve
its most likely fiery presence + HC like nyaanyaa said
lucid oar
In the current wr, he's hitting for 82 with each hit with beowulf. Is that some ...
Beowulf attack base damage: 40.
High confidence + fiery presence + 5% family favourites = 105%
40 + (1.05×40) = 82
proper furnace
is there a cap in how much money you can receive from enemies each chamber?
it feels like there is considering survival rooms
edgy mauve
well it depends on the enemies
i mean
not sure
but i do know that survival rooms have a cap at like 70 i think
turbid needle
theres a cap pretty sure
cunning urchin
Yes.
turbid needle
With the targeting icon from Thesius/Strongbows is it just a case of waiting behind walls/pillars whenever the icon is on me? Particularly with rooms of Strongbows I tend to struggle
acoustic vale
It's possible to dodge the arrows and spears without cover, but it's a pain. Especially since the strongbows shoot 3 arrows
cunning urchin
Always circle ranged enemies.
acoustic vale
Or just murder them before they ever get a chance to fire
cunning urchin
You can circle Strongbows with dashes, you can get behind cover, you can get out of range.
acoustic vale
Just open dev console and delete hades
He's just gone, you don't have to fight him anymore
turbid needle
Or just murder them before they ever get a chance to fire
I'm on a hot streak of getting armoured ones lately
So they can't shoot in any direction, only in sort of a 180 arc in front of them?
acoustic vale
So they can't shoot in any direction, only in sort of a 180 arc in front of them...
I believe they can only fire in front of them, yes
edgy mauve
So they can't shoot in any direction, only in sort of a 180 arc in front of them...
they cannot 360 noscope you i dont think
turbid needle
Good no MLG antics then. I'll work on it, I'm actually surprised at how deep the game is. Feel like I might get a win once I get more comfortable with Elysium, it drains my health/money every time
acoustic vale
I'd be very impressed if someone shot me with a bow when not facing me
edgy mauve
I'd be very impressed if someone shot me with a bow when not facing me
those tracking arrows are stronk
turbid needle
I'd be very impressed if someone shot me with a bow when not facing me
I have played too many games with 360 attacks, I live in constant fear of them
It's nice to see that logic works here though
proper furnace
Does dad call bonus speed get added to rush delivery bonus damage?
lucid oar
Does dad call bonus speed get added to rush delivery bonus damage?
Yes, dad call gives +50% multiplicative movement speed
So 1.5x
acoustic vale
I saw Tobu in new players room say " there's a duo boon later in the game that turns your cast into a screeching vortex of damage and stat effects that deploys instantly wherever you click." which one is that?
lucid oar
It’s bad when compared to hunting blades
frozen birch
does anyone know how to win against the minotaur and his friend
theseus and something
i've beat them a lot but i always die to them
like i'll use up my revives
steel swan
focus on killing asterius first
you can just perma run away from theseus behind pillars
steel swan
keep running circles around him
frozen birch
i wish we cud triple dash
steel swan
there are boons that allow that, but yeah
steel swan
but anyway, kill the bull first and then slap theseus
frozen birch
but anyway, kill the bull first and then slap theseus
i absolutely love the way you phrased this
proper furnace
For the shield you can wait for theseus to attack, then theseus will stop facing you to retreat
Or for the spin attack dash through him
steel swan
👆
things get out of control really quick if you try to kill both at the same time without having much practice
steel swan
he usually does that 3 times
proper furnace
Dash through him instead of away, i find it easier for a lot of his moves
steel swan
he'll eventually begin to get pretty predictable
proper furnace
Also theseus is really vulnerable right after the start of 2nd phase
steel swan
yes
frozen birch
is that the artemis thing?
edgy mauve
it can be any god
steel swan
not always artemis
edgy mauve
but he summons a god that isnt in your pool
frozen birch
i had ares' call in my last run and it was BEAUTIFUL
edgy mauve
to attack u with
steel swan
any god that is not in your boon pool
frozen birch
u just turn into an invisible circle
i love it
is there any way to reget boons
like specific ones
edgy mauve
if u sell it u can get it again
u can roll for the boon
but u cant guarantee your gonna get a certain boon
u can force a god but not a boon
frozen birch
oh welp kk
steel swan
if you dont mind cheesing a bit you can just aegis bullrush the entire fight to get the feel of it
frozen birch
what is aegis bullrush?
steel swan
as long as you have the shield up you block every single attack coming from that direction
steel swan
so just keep going bullrushing left and right blocking their attacks
just watch out for theseus call because that stuff comes from the sky so you can't block it
edgy mauve
u dont block all attacke
if an attack is coming straight up behind you and ur block in front of u you will get hit
but u can block hades/theseus spin attacks
steel swan
yes
frozen birch
wb hades 360 attack? does the shjeild block that
edgy mauve
u cant
steel swan
you are guaranteed to get at least 2 of those per run
edgy mauve
u can have a maximum of 3
from anvil
but are guaranteed atleast two
same with hermes
frozen birch
my last run i took the spear and got the upgrade where u just hold click the mouse for rapid attacks
it was beautiful
frozen birch
from anvil
what anvil?
strange lark
anvil in styx
lucid oar
Flurry jab is great yeah
steel swan
item that reforges your hammers in styx
lucid oar
Great = superb
frozen birch
precisely
edgy mauve
the anvil
strange lark
anvil
frozen birch
but where
strange lark
like that thing from minecraft
edgy mauve
in temple of styx
frozen birch
i've been to styx and i don't recall an anvil
edgy mauve
its 50/50
vs a 3rd hermes
it takes 1 of ur hammers and reforges it into two hammers
frozen birch
oh damn
edgy mauve
which means it could take rocket bomb and give u spread fire and ricochet
edgy mauve
oh its very risky
lucid oar
But it could take away chain shot and give you triple and point blank
Then it would be amazing hehe
frozen birch
yeah
edgy mauve
IT COULD ALSO TAKE AWAY FLURRY JAB AND GIVE U TRIPLE JAB AND VICIOUS SKEWER
frozen birch
i had flurry jab and triple jab on my last run
edgy mauve
triple jab does literally nothing
turbid needle
all that's missing is blizzard shot 
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/793981331436208138/876173394528325662/1145360_20210814203947_1.png
frozen birch
i found it to be really helpful in styx
edgy mauve
if it had a shotgun effect triple+flurry would be so broken LOL
frozen birch
the game is really stressful
steel swan
never understood why triple jab has such a huge gap between the hits
frozen birch
never understood why triple jab has such a huge gap between the hits
i found it to be great for smaller enemies
that just have large quantity
like those small rat things
strange lark
its poseidon dash
edgy mauve
yeah
strange lark
zeus shield
strange lark
BANANA SPEAR
frozen birch
LOL
edgy mauve
also hera
frozen birch
isn't that a god
strange lark
and an aspect
frozen birch
aspect?
edgy mauve
u beat the game yet?
strange lark
you dont need to beat the game to unlock aspects
frozen birch
so pretty close
edgy mauve
1st or 2nd phase?
frozen birch
HUH
strange lark
uh oh
frozen birch
HE HAS TWO HEALTH BARS?
strange lark
LMAO
edgy mauve
K E K W
frozen birch
i-
lucid oar
Yeah this channel allows spoilers sorry
frozen birch
wow good to know i'll never finish this game 🥰
edgy mauve
my bad my bad
lucid oar
You definitely will
edgy mauve
im so sorry
frozen birch
i got to asphodel within the first like 30 minutes of playing so i thought i'd manage to beat hades in like 4 hours
i was very wrong
frozen birch
im so sorry
LMAO dw
steel swan
whats ur guys fav weapon
zag shield and demeter fists
frozen birch
maybe i'll try a run with the shield LOL
frozen birch
what is excal
strange lark
shadow slash
frozen birch
the last weapon?
strange lark
and yeah double edge
strange lark
the last weapon?
hidden aspect for sword
worthy dagger
shadow slash > double edge ?
frozen birch
oh ok
strange lark
idk i dont play arthur anymore
edgy mauve
WHAT ARE BEST EXCAL HAMMERS AGAIN ?
dedge shadow slash
edgy mauve
just go with dedge not sure if its better but just go with dedge
edgy mauve
b r u h
worthy dagger
HAHA I FORGOT YOU DID THAT
edgy mauve
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/835545407572017152/Scr...
how does that even happen
worthy dagger
i can never find enough chaos gates though
strange lark
how does that even happen
idk
ashen nebula
GOD I wish the eternal spear daedalus enchantment was permanent
The hold to infinite jab is 10x better than the spin to me
edgy mauve
GOD I wish the eternal spear daedalus enchantment was permanent
you could play modded and basically make that come true
ashen nebula
you could play modded and basically make that come true
I'm on Xbox
frozen birch
UHHHHH wtf i started a run and there was this screen that appeared and hades was like "you dare invoke the name of olympus' inhabitants" or something
??
edgy mauve
then cry
strange lark
UHHHHH wtf i started a run and there was this screen that appeared and hades was...
yeah he does that
frozen birch
yeah he does that
hm wow that's the first time he's ever done that for me
edgy mauve
every 4 runs itll happen
frozen birch
huh
but he hasn't done that before and i've done 10+ runs
do you have to unlock something for that to happen?
frozen birch
yeah i haven't given up a single run
errant narwhal
I’m pretty sure It’s not every 4 runs, it’s random
worthy dagger
is frost strike good on excal
edgy mauve
I’m pretty sure It’s not every 4 runs, it’s random
ive seen 3wep runners reset until they see cutscene so its in the right place so they dont lose time off of it though
cunning urchin
It's not random, yeah.
errant narwhal
Interesting! Then I never noticed
lofty lily
Wow... What a run! I got to the second area with the shield and just wanted to grind some stuff in the first area, so I kept jumping in the lava to start over the run. I used the spear and actually tried to beat the river area, and killed the bone serpent first try. I was like "WOW! This build is op!" then I was in Elysium and met bullman, I only took a couple hits before he retreated and I was like "Huh, that's cool." Then fought both of em and beat em first try again. After that I went to the last area and got wrecked by hades, but I'm still really impressed at how far I got.
worthy dagger
its ok
i got art atk, should i take aphro keepsake then get the special or something then try and shoot for duo boon
raw blade
frozen birch
how do you get the trinket
that yall wer talking about
or someone was talking about
frozen birch
actually it might have been on reddit
the one
where
u
block 3-5 hits
from bosses
strange lark
thats from eurydice in asphodel
edgy mauve
eurydice
edgy mauve
yurydice
frozen birch
ty
edgy mauve
gift nectar to yurydice
and youll get her keepsake
and then level it up
for 5 negates against bosses
ashen nebula
Eternal spear is objectively the best weapon
lucid oar
Okay
edgy mauve
ehhhhhhhhhhhh i dont agree
mild raft
I mean that’s a question that’s like hella subjective
edgy mauve
^
mild raft
Best weapon for pushing heat? Best weapon for going fast? Best weapon for casual play?
These all have different answers
lucid oar
Shield, shield, doesn't matter
edgy mauve
see
lucid oar
Lol
lucid oar
Zeus
mild raft
^
Literally holds both unseeded and routed heat wr
Beo might be better for zooming but Zeus is better for high heat
edgy mauve
i forgot about zeus
mild raft
And Eris outperforms both on average for zooming
mild raft
Beo can high roll better but Eris is more consistent
edgy mauve
all of its aspects are quite solid and bring something cool to the table
mild raft
Eris needs like what 4 boons and it’s good
Splitting if you really want it but it’s kinda unnecessary
Beo wants like
edgy mauve
Eris needs like what 4 boons and it’s good
tidal dash jolted dash or HD
so about 4 boons yeah
lucid oar
Beo needs poms, mirage and ideally snow burst
mild raft
4 regular boons which include a duo and as many chaos cast boons as you can get
lucid oar
And additive damage as well
edgy mauve
isnt a cast stone multiplicative damage?
mild raft
Technically yea
mild raft
I mean multiplicative is just better in every scenario but sure
lucid oar
Additive is way easier to get
mild raft
As long as you have a high enough base number
I’d argue the opposite honestly
Additive you can get though wave pounding, braids, and chaos boons
edgy mauve
assuming flood flare
lucid oar
And RD
edgy mauve
OH MY GOD NICE DUDE
mild raft
Multiplicative you got Mirage, Snow Burst, Stones, Chaos Boons, Pressure Points/Deadly Strike + Mark
It’s about even and multiplicative is stronger
Although to be fair you can only use so many casts
The reason I say extra casts are only kinda multiplicative is that having 6 stones with +50% more cast damage is better than having 7 stones
worthy dagger
imagine i lose to hades after getting 5 uses of death defiance and perfect excal build
lucid oar
What aspect
frozen birch
just the normal shield
lucid oar
Pulverising blow
frozen birch
kk
that's what i was thinking too
i'm screwed
i hve like 80 hp
going into artery and thesis
i died to artery and thesis
kms
lucid oar
Next time you should fight Vein and Theory
solar dawn
I believe in you, you can get that MD
edgy mauve
nah we should fight Heart and Lungs
solar dawn
How does second wave work?
turbid needle
i haven't played since april, am i just really, really bad now, or did the ||claws of gilgamesh|| get omeganerfed?
turbid needle
i had my highest clears with them 🤷
turbid needle
i mean, that answers my question but i still found them much better than hot doodoobutter, i am just rusty, cuz if i am sucking with them and they haven't been touched it's me
edgy mauve
ive always viewed a weapon that a dash strike cannot oneshot a numbskull
as hot doodoo butter omega hot cheeks
turbid needle
i value the mobility and like stacking debuffs, usually go doom and weakness build
turbid needle
what, the spear? i mean i have a couple hundred clears and i have maybe five clears with the spears and its aspects
turbid needle
ok that doesn't help, you said the same thing before and i didn't know what you meant so saying it again won't be helpful
lucid oar
Merciful end is a duo boon
edgy mauve
its a duo boon between ares/athena
turbid needle
of course
edgy mauve
whenever u hit someone with doom on it with an ability that deflects doom instantly procs
turbid needle
yeah, i just don't know what you meant by "ME"
edgy mauve
ic
turbid needle
...i'm glad i asked
proper furnace
ME is the short way to say merciful end
turbid needle
yeah, i get that now, i don't know all the initialisms for everything in this game
torpid path
best starter weapon?
edgy mauve
i dont think itk matters tbh
shield can be good though u can block attacks with it
like the hades spin attack
frozen birch
idk if i was using shield wrong but i don't think any attacks got blocked from it
proper furnace
Sure you were holding the attack and aiming towards the attack? Also traps and i think something else couldnt be blocked
edgy mauve
u holding attack?
boreal prism
When you are charging your charge by holding attack, you block attacks facing you
edgy mauve
Died but I was close af
1st or 2nd phase nice
strange lark
Bruh
edgy mauve
ul
strange lark
ul
edgy mauve
l u l
green bluff
what's this spoiler fest
edgy mauve
the channel is spoiler welcome
lucid oar
That might be changed soon due to the influx of new players
green bluff
the channel is spoiler welcome
yeah but out of respect for new players, I'd rather use the spoiler tag
how much effort does it take to tag the few spoilers
errant narwhal
the channel description states that all spoilers are allowed here, we have a new player channel for players who are new to the game
edgy mauve
^
errant narwhal
that said, if someone is saying they were close to beating the final boss, maybe you shouldnt jump to spoil the surprise. :]
errant narwhal
yes, this channel is more for in depth discussion of builds and such
green bluff
nvm, carry on
why am I here
oh right I was trying to figure out if dash attack counted as thrust for the hammer dmg/crit boost
lucid oar
It does not
edgy mauve
the only hammers that affect dash attack for sword is dedge breaching hoarding and i think a few others LOL
but dedge is obviously the best here
lucid oar
Piercing
frozen birch
anyone have any opinion on thunder vs tidal dash
lucid oar
Tidal dash does way more damage
edgy mauve
tidal dash does damage out the gate
lucid oar
Thunder dash is quite good with other Zeus boons
edgy mauve
while thunder dash really needs dstrike/splitting to show its true colors
green bluff
time to play excalibur, suggestions?
lucid oar
time to play excalibur, suggestions?
Big chunky percentage attack like Artemis or Aphrodite
green bluff
interesting, I thought you'd suggest I get flat damage
lucid oar
Arthur has low hit rate and high base damage, so flat damage is worse than percentage damage
green bluff
wait it has high damage? noice
lucid oar
You can test these things on skelly before you start the run
green bluff
yeah but I just went in
I saw "defensive aura and HP" and said fk it
ares artemis and shoot seeker discs
chrome ridge
https://i.imgur.com/ZA4VHrh.jpeg
pain. I'd take double edge for sure
green bluff
aye I did
edgy mauve
dedge is 100% the best sword hammer imo
green bluff
you can do the combo while dashing anyway so it's basically 2.4x damage
turbid needle
Not sure if this is the right channel, I've just unlocked the ability to get aspects on the weapons. Titan blood seems pretty limited at the moment, am I better off saving it until I unlock what I assume will be a method to get more of it?
edgy mauve
well
green bluff
No, you should spend
chrome ridge
You should try out atleast 1 or 2 aspects
edgy mauve
try out what u think u would like
chrome ridge
You'll get more than enough blood later
green bluff
My personal advice is you unlock all of zagreus' aspects. Many are great, some are crap, but all will give you an upgrade over having nothing. When you're done with those, try to get alternatives for weapons you don't like
the reason is Zag's aspects cost 5 blood to max out, the others take like 15 or so
chrome ridge
My personal advice is you unlock all of zagreus' aspects. Many are great, some a...
Eh, you need to invest in non zag stuff if you want hidden aspects tho
green bluff
so it's better early on when you have free bloods to at least play a maxed out aspect, most aspects suck at low level anyway
lucid oar
Stuff like zag shield/bow are quite good anyway
green bluff
Eh, you need to invest in non zag stuff if you want hidden aspects tho
yeah but if you have no blood you can't unlock them anyway, it's what happened to me
edgy mauve
something that doesnt change much with levels
lucid oar
All have a good few solid hammers
green bluff
Had all 6 hidden weapons, couldn't use any because I had like 3 blood
lucid oar
Hera is good for early investment
chrome ridge
might as well unlock hera or something
I love the hera. Had a bulky explosive + double shot build on my first win
chrome ridge
hera is expensive
atleast hera is already good on lvl 1-2
turbid needle
Ah okay, I was thinking Achilles spear and Zagreus bow for starters. Those are my two favourite weapons so far, at least the ones I have had the closest runs to a win with
green bluff
I mean you can do whatever, but if you go the expensive way you'll see you can't play the weapon with the money buff because it's really hard to do anything useful
edgy mauve
see
chrome ridge
Achilles spear has some fun builds, yeah
edgy mauve
hera is literally fine as lv.1
green bluff
yeah but still I recommend getting zag 5 over hera 1
it doesn't add new mechanics either
turbid needle
To unlock the non zagreus ones is it just a case of paying the requisite amount of titan blood or do you need to invest that amount into the other aspects in order to unlock them?
edgy mauve
it doesn't add new mechanics either
it does though?
green bluff
what mechanics do you get from zag 5
edgy mauve
what
chrome ridge
i think crit chance?
edgy mauve
i thought u meant hera
green bluff
that's not new mechanics, it's just random big numbers
edgy mauve
To unlock the non zagreus ones is it just a case of paying the requisite amount ...
just pay the titan blood
green bluff
it's perfect for heat 0
it's already hard enough for new players to learn to do power shots
chrome ridge
it's already hard enough for new players to learn to do power shots
I mastered them after 5min
green bluff
(X) doubt
turbid needle
My last run kinda forced me to get good with the dash shots on bow, I basically lucked into a lot of stuff that boosted it
chrome ridge
it's not hard at all wdym
turbid needle
By he time I got to the end I was in a really good rhythm,
green bluff
seriously, how many power shots can you do in a row while dashing around the map dodging shots and traps
boreal prism
it's not hard at all wdym
Remember that some people are less good at games than you
turbid needle
Still couldn't get the win though, I didn't take enough health upgrades I think
chrome ridge
seriously, how many power shots can you do in a row while dashing around the map...
like 80-90%?
green bluff
if you truly master the bow, you don't take damage
chrome ridge
It's just a timing thing
green bluff
yea it is, but it's definitely not easy to do, much less master it in 5 minutes
unless what you do is just take aim, shoot, run somewhere, repeat
chrome ridge
exception is of course with explo shot or something
turbid needle
if you truly master the bow, you don't take damage
I just meant in terms of the timing for the shots ||Hades second phase still burned through my HP|| best attempt yet though, think only about 1/3rd health remaining
green bluff
I just meant in terms of the timing for the shots ||Hades second phase still bur...
With zag's I can usually do no hit with the bow
the only risk of damage is the minions
chrome ridge
You shouldn't worry too much about your first clear until you get death defiance on max anyway
green bluff
because I have to dodge like 6 ants and papa aardvark
chrome ridge
With a decent build and say 2 dd charges you can almost always beat hades
turbid needle
It was actually my first run with all 3 DD changes, only 125 health though. I keep edging closer to getting it done, feel like a build with better damage will get it done for me
chrome ridge
lol
well, you don't stand a chance with 125hp anyway
unless you're like a god at this game
green bluff
it's legit possible to beat a run taking no damage with an unupgraded weapon. Hard, but possible
green bluff
yeah it shouldn't be too hard with a focused build
turbid needle
As in no damage including encounters? I can't even fathom that
I lose at least 50 HP to poison
green bluff
something like railgun with athena's dash, ricochet, and artemis for example
chrome ridge
eh, bow is better for avoiding damage
edgy mauve
again
chrome ridge
unless you play chiron or sth
edgy mauve
when was the focus of how good an aspect is whether u can nohit easy with it
what the hell
chrome ridge
true
strange lark
If you can't do a no hit run with a weapon then that weapon is bad
chrome ridge
proper furnace
Can rip current be pommed btw?
strange lark
I think so
green bluff
all normal boons should be
edgy mauve
some arent
strange lark
For reference purposes:
It was brought up during VOD review there isn't a reference list of unpommable non legendary non duo boons available from each god/goddess. Here it is:
Aphrodite
Life Affirmation
Broken Resolve
Blown Kiss (requires Crush Shot)
Ares
Blood Frenzy
Engulfing Vortex (requires Slicing Shot, Blade Dash, or Ares' Aid)
Dire Misfortune (requires Curse of Agony or Curse of Pain)
Artemis
none
Athena
Sure Footing
Deathless Stand
Last Stand
Demeter
Rare Crop
Nourished Soul
Ravenous Will
Arctic Blast (requires Frost Strike, Frost Flourish, Mistral Dash, Demeter's Aid or Snow Burst)
Killing Freeze (requires Frost Strike, Frost Flourish, Mistral Dash, Demeter's Aid or Snow Burst)
Dionysus
Premium Vintage
Strong Drink
After Party
Poseidon
Ocean's Bounty
Sunken Treasure
Zeus
none
edgy mauve
some normal boons arent pommable
proper furnace
Oh thats helpful, ty
green bluff
oh nice
proper furnace
strange lark
What
proper furnace
Isnt that basically every god?
She still has a lot of neat things
chrome ridge
idk, I like to take artemis and athena into everything
chrome ridge
There are also plenty of good zeus builds
green bluff
I'm torn here, what's better:
- 2 gods of my core build.
- Persephone?
chrome ridge
^
green bluff
I was actually gonna pick the 3x rarity upgrade
proper furnace
Rarity for a possible hermes can be good too
green bluff
and I already have epic demeter attack
green bluff
oh yeah
chrome ridge
green bluff
it is
chrome ridge
I go for lvl ups
green bluff
I'm just gonna say 3x rarity from now on
chrome ridge
rarity is nice for selling, but the stat benefit is usually not that big imo
proper furnace
Rarity depends on the boon tbh
proper furnace
Hermes common sometimes is pain
edgy mauve
i mean
chrome ridge
sometimes
edgy mauve
hermes upgraded rarity can be big
chrome ridge
+1 dash exists
edgy mauve
not with +rarity
chrome ridge
also common
proper furnace
Hyper sprint doesnt need that much the rarity
Rush delivery/greatest reflex it matters
chrome ridge
well, those are only good if you're going for a specific build
edgy mauve
no not really
rush delivery is almost always good
especially compared to other hermes
hyper sprint is a very solid boon
chrome ridge
I never much noticed them when picked up randomly
edgy mauve
global damage literally isnt specific
chrome ridge
hyper sprint might be the only exception
edgy mauve
its very much helpful for any situation
proper furnace
Hyper sprint + rush delivery is at least +50% more damage from everything you do
chrome ridge
I never get those 2 together
edgy mauve
global damage isnt situational at all whatsoever
chrome ridge
green bluff
just noticed the excalibur dash combo bugs out and doesn't do the 2x attack
proper furnace
Lmao, brain stuck in flurry jab mode and tried to hold down the button to attack with spear
strange lark
just noticed the excalibur dash combo bugs out and doesn't do the 2x attack
It's not a bug because dedge only applies to dash attacks and the combo doesn't count as a dash attack even when you dash in between the swings
green bluff
not the best IMO
but def better than double special on it
the area is tiny, so you have to be on point, I miss some dashes when I try to hit from afar
chrome ridge
I wanna unlock arthur so bad...
But Achilles never lets me unlock the other hidden aspect which I need for it
green bluff
i didnt even know you needed certain aspects
I only had to unlock Zag's sword mandatorily
chrome ridge
yeah, you need to unlock the spear aspect before the other ones iirc
green bluff
yeah but that came automatically
chrome ridge
not for me
terse thistle
But Achilles never lets me unlock the other hidden aspect which I need for it
Um you need nyx for Arthur and least 5 titan blood invested there. But keep going since once GY gets unlocked the rest will come soon
chrome ridge
chrome ridge
Um you need nyx for Arthur and least 5 titan blood invested there. But keep goin...
yeah, achilles just never drops the line for GY
proper furnace
Just kill yourself chamber 1 until achilles tells you the dialogue
terse thistle
yeah, achilles just never drops the line for GY
Did you remember to invest in enough weapon aspects of each weapon least once? That’s not the default version?
chrome ridge
Did you remember to invest in enough weapon aspects of each weapon least once? T...
yeah, invested a lot into hera and nemesis
terse thistle
Well rng just hates you then
chrome ridge
should be enough
strange lark
Did you unlock 5 other aspects?
chrome ridge
Did you unlock 5 other aspects?
4, but you just need to invest 5 titan blood, right?
strange lark
You need to unlock 5 aspects
terse thistle
It has to be different ones for 5 different weapons.
I did least one for each one once
chrome ridge
It has to be different ones for 5 different weapons.
chaos shield also gets bought...
I don't like wasting my titan blood
terse thistle
You’ll get more
terse thistle
But gun good!!! And spear is insane with flurry jab
chrome ridge
Not that they're weak, I just don't like em
terse thistle
Gun was my first clear, I mopped the floor with hades
chrome ridge
my first clear was hera bow with explo shot, double shot and artemis cast