#h1-builds-and-combat

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lucid oar
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MEowulf

iron locust
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Zeus Aspect is amazing and I don't get why it is underrated

cinder mist
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Oh yeah I could also spend the blood to max out beyblade instead of a fist aspect, but I dunno how important it is to actually level that?

edgy mauve
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zeus aspect isnt underrated

iron locust
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I say do it

edgy mauve
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zeus aspect isnt rated at all

cinder mist
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It's fun to play with at level 1 already

edgy mauve
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people dont play zeus shield

waxen shell
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My favorite aspect is the Hades spear

lucid oar
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You need to do Zeus on special for it to be good at low levels, at high levels you can do whatever on special

fading nymph
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Zeus is hard to play

edgy mauve
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something that isnt rated cant be underrated

waxen shell
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Marking targets is kino

solar dawn
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High level zeus shield is significantly stronger than low level

cinder mist
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Tbh I might just max out zeus shield since I really dislike playing with shield generally but Zeus is fun

iron locust
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Zeus Aspect is just

Press Special to #### everything in that general direction

edgy mauve
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if u wanna chill and talk about zeus shield go talk to baj

cinder mist
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For fists I can already do maxed Demeter or level 1 Gilga

lucid oar
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Levelling up gilga doesn't do much imo

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I never use maim at all

iron locust
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You can even Merciful End Zeus Aspect

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Pretty stupid

cinder mist
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Oh, I do heh, so 400 maim damage would be nice

lucid oar
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You can put ME on everything and still do well

iron locust
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Yes but beyblade

edgy mauve
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ME is a non factor

cinder mist
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can just maim regular enemies and leave them to die

edgy mauve
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ME can be slapped on literally anything in the game and itll do well

lucid oar
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Or you could just kill them without waiting 10 seconds

edgy mauve
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how well that weapon uses ME is the weapon thang

fading nymph
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and have a fluid attack

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by not using gilg bouldy

cinder mist
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Well I'm gonna maim anyway for the increased damage, that's half the point of Gilgamesh

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Maim, Ruthless Reflex damage bonus and Lambent Plume makes for a really fun playstyle imo

iron locust
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Wait I thought Gilg was supposed to spam DStrikes

edgy mauve
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thats ME botting

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also

fading nymph
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gilg dash strike weak

edgy mauve
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wrexsoul

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do what u want

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with this info

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but MAIM increases meg damage

cinder mist
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I know, love it

fading nymph
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Really?

edgy mauve
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yeah

fading nymph
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:o

waxen shell
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That's pretty good info actually

fading nymph
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is there anything else that effects summons

edgy mauve
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sweet surrender

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WHAT

waxen shell
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Lmaoooo

edgy mauve
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WHAT DID I SAYYYYYYYYYYY

waxen shell
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Sniped

cinder mist
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Heroes go down kinda quickly with maimed meg and just smacking them with all the bonus damage I have at that point

edgy mauve
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u can get like a 3750 meg with rending claws iirc

fading nymph
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bad bard banana man dusa

waxen shell
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So is it a good idea to try a new save file and beat Hades with No aspect Nemesis?

edgy mauve
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oh

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thats a cateogyr

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its called fresh file

waxen shell
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Wait really?

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Huh

iron locust
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No Aspect Nemesis?

edgy mauve
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yep

edgy mauve
iron locust
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You mean Stygius

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Oh

cinder mist
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I kinda wanna try maim + Than companion now just for big numbers

waxen shell
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Gotta be honest I didn't realize it was a category

edgy mauve
cinder mist
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...Lernie? 😦

edgy mauve
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maim + than KEKW

iron locust
cinder mist
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I'll just face tank bosses until than hits

waxen shell
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How are the Stashes unlocked, btw? Just completing runs or what?

edgy mauve
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8 16 32

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the first two give achievements

waxen shell
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Interesting

cinder mist
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No, stashes are affinity related

waxen shell
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Wouldn't matter much to me for achievements really

cinder mist
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You will unlock them as you build relations with various characters

edgy mauve
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i thought they meant statues

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LOL

fading nymph
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same

waxen shell
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I mainly play on Switch so achievements don't exist

fading nymph
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whats a stash lol

iron locust
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Oh they meant the companions?

edgy mauve
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i dont know

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wtf are statshes

waxen shell
cinder mist
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They are called "Secret Stashes" in game

fading nymph
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ic

iron locust
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Skelly Mustache DLC

edgy mauve
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oh

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oh

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THE COMPANIONS

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uh

fading nymph
iron locust
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You gotta drug up a handful of people

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I mean

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Woo them

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Same thing if you're Bill Cosby

edgy mauve
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get to a certain affinity with certain characters and then complete a quest with that character

waxen shell
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Nectar and Ambrosia time

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Locked affinity with Skelly though thafCry

edgy mauve
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meg than achilles&patroclus dusa and skelly

iron locust
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That one is fun

waxen shell
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I'm fairly certain I'm near the end of the Achilles/Patroclus one though

iron locust
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You know I wanted to point something out

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Aspect of Chiron and Aspect of Achilles have the same aesthetic and I appreciate that

edgy mauve
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?

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B A N A N A S P E A R

fading nymph
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Brad Pitt.

iron locust
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The Banana Spear is weird

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Its blade isn't even connected to the handle

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The ball just floats

waxen shell
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Just realized I've trapped myself into using the same loadout over and over again

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Weapon, rather

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With God Mode on too

iron locust
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Hades spear is funny

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Serrated Point + Quick Spin + Hades

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"Imma smack the goofy outya"

waxen shell
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Exactly

edgy mauve
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WHERE IS FLURRY JAB

waxen shell
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Flurry Jab/Serrated Point/Quick Spin

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With the Anvil

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Perfection is that build's name

lucid oar
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Flurry + serrated is worse than flurry on its own

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And you can't get flurry jab on Hades spear anyway

iron locust
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^

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Or Guan Yu

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Is eliminated the spin

waxen shell
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So how are the hidden aspects acquired?

edgy mauve
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uh

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first u gotta get guan yu

waxen shell
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Just using the weapons, right?

iron locust
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Key events

waxen shell
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Oh

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Alright, no spoilers then

edgy mauve
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i mean

iron locust
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Sure, just play the game

edgy mauve
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there are steps

iron locust
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You'll run into them eventually

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Shut it banana spear

fading nymph
edgy mauve
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nu

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but

iron locust
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They'll eventually run into em

edgy mauve
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ok

waxen shell
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I'll just play more lol

cinder mist
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If I'm running Tight Deadline 2 and am not a super speedrunner, should I just skip the extra portal rooms (whatever they're called, where you have to not get hit) or can I afford taking them?

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(I mean if I was super speedrunning I guess I'd skip them anyway but yeah)

iron locust
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If you're Duo hunting and it offers a chance for it, why not

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Other than that

cinder mist
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Right, but if it's just money or so I'll skip?

iron locust
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You have to NOT get hit

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Yeah probs best

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The unique thing about Erebus though is that regardless of winning or losing the challenge you often get more options when you leave the place

proven osprey
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Erebus gates are not a time loss that would matter with TD2

fading nymph
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Chaos is a free room

iron locust
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Friends are free rooms too

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So is Thanatos

edgy mauve
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fountain and midshop dont pause the IGT but they are very fast

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so also a freeroom

cinder mist
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Wait, are gates of Erebus actually "extra" rooms, so pure time loss, or do they replace the next room?

fervent elbow
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They actually are if your next room is the end-shop/whatever room is before biome boss

edgy mauve
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assuming they work like chaos gates yeah

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but

fervent elbow
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otherwise, no

fading nymph
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they only add a room if you take it instead of endshop

fervent elbow
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If you are in chamber 12, 22 or 34, don't take Erebus gates

edgy mauve
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what does 34 erebus do in terms of adding an extra chamber

fervent elbow
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34 is the room before end shop. If you take Erebus gate at 34, 35 is your Erebus room, 36 is your end shop

edgy mauve
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right

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if u take a c12 erebus the other biomes become 1 chamber longer right?

fervent elbow
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Same applies to 12 and 22

edgy mauve
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but does it apply to styx?

fervent elbow
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There's no gates in Styx

edgy mauve
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no

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i mean does styx get added chambers

untold vortex
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yeah, bosses are one chamber later if you take either erebus or chaos in chamber 12 @edgy mauve

cinder mist
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So are Erebus gates or regular chambers generally quicker?

fervent elbow
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Regular rooms are quicker

untold vortex
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really depends on the biome you're taking erebus in

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for example, taking erebus rooms in Elysium is generally a bad idea

fading nymph
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Errebus enemies take longer to spawn in and you have to play more careful to take no hits

waxen shell
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Wait, Tight Deadline also has a no-hit thing with it?

fading nymph
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Erebus

cinder mist
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Do any enemy attacks count as traps?

waxen shell
cinder mist
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right

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And on an entirely different note, how does Concentrated Knuckle work for the fists? Is it every attack against the same enemy until it dies, or is it within a combo of some sort, or what?

untold vortex
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it resets at the end of the combo iirc

cinder mist
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So how does it work with Gilgamesh? It has no combo, but I could still take it

untold vortex
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it does have a combo, that hammer just isn't particularly good on gil

raw blade
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you hold down the attack button

robust anchor
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on hades spear ive been enjoying art dash a lot lately, even over athena dash and no serrated

cunning urchin
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Only problem with Hunter Dash is that it doesn't scale with anything but crits.

terse coral
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Aphrodite Cast + Spread Fire ❤️

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bit tricky though.

solar dawn
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em4's third phase gets absolutely deleted by a lot of builds Ive noticed

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granted 4 trippy shot casts with faster reload on beowulf does a ton of damage but still

jovial fulcrum
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if your build is overpowered enough, it'll delete anything

solar dawn
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True, but feels like that phase goes quicker than the other two

cunning urchin
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Only if your DPS is high.

languid forum
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how good is demeter special on chiron

cunning urchin
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Good enough for 41 Heat.

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You'll want Privileged Status on that.

languid forum
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ah thanks

fierce hare
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whatare good builds for hestia?

iron locust
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You know I wonder

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The fact that Theseus' spear does the same idle animation when thrown makes me believe that it is possible to have Zagreus wield it

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If the game uses individual models and such

tawny fern
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Serrated Point is such an amazing upgrade if you tear apart your thumb 🥲

edgy mauve
jovial fulcrum
cunning urchin
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Go for Gods' Pride, and try to get as many Strike and Lunge boons from Master Chaos as you can.

real crest
# iron locust You know I wonder

The game was originally going to be theseus as the main character and he would be escaping the labyrinth so maybe his weapon was in a sprite they made for him before the protagonist changed to zagreus

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Also @ me in a different channel if you want to keep the convo going

cunning urchin
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The game uses sprites that are pre-rendered from 3D for all of the characters' animations.

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So it's not as easy as swapping the spears. They'd have to recreate every frame of animation for the spear.

languid forum
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which casts work nicely with achillies

lucid oar
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All of them tbh

acoustic vale
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Casts good

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Except Demeter

lucid oar
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You can get good builds with Demeter cast

rugged geyser
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You need the duo for tracking

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I did a really good Achilles build with the flood shot with Demeter duo

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And I also got mirage shot

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Melted hades and my fps

iron locust
real crest
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idk where it was originally revealed

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probably in their blog or one of them posted it

solar dawn
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I want to try a boonless run, which weapons are good for it? I was thinking hestia or zag bow

cunning urchin
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High heat boonless leaderboard is almost entirely Hestia.

solar dawn
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Alright, thanks! Will try that, but probably won't be high heat haha

cunning urchin
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Doesn't mean other aspects can't do it, just we don't really have a lot of info on them.

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It's not a very popular category.

solar dawn
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I'd assume so, I also thought Arthur might be ok

cunning urchin
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Probably, but timer would be difficult with TD3.

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If you don't have a timer, it's no problem.

solar dawn
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Highest normal heat I've done is 16, I'm probably not gonna crank it up too much

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Might practice higher heat first too haha, been busy with getting the other weapons up for ambrosia and blood

cunning urchin
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If you like Hestia, higher heats shouldn't be too much of a problem.

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Boonless neither. It's just more bland than you probably expect it to be.

solar dawn
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Ah ok, thanks for the help! Will post it in victory channel if I do get it

misty sun
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What would be good for Chaos shield?

cunning urchin
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bablo — 08/05/2021
start zeus special and hope for explosive return

candid belfry
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or ares if he doesnt play nice

limpid minnow
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Been starting off with Athena's keepsake for the dash, should I experiment with other Gods to start with more?

turbid needle
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When I started out I just messed around with the other keepsakes and only used Athena keepsake if I was struggling

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Which hammer upgrades are good for Demeter fists

strange lark
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Explosive upper and breaching cross

acoustic vale
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How does Impending Doom interact with Merciful end?

untold vortex
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It free damage

acoustic vale
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I was hoping for that

acoustic vale
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Is lightning rod worth using?

boreal prism
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lightning rod is real strong if you already have a lightning strike kit, or if you can get one before any difficult bosses come up

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lightning rod loves zeus t2s and it loves zeus legendary

acoustic vale
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It seems to me that Empowering flight should combo really well with Blitz disk

iron locust
cunning urchin
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Dark Foresight is way stronger.

iron locust
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Yeah that I'm aware of. I get more keys for rerolls, but the added health, poms, and boons just outweigh the Rare's value outright

neon trout
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Silly question, why do speed runners pref batti over mort or shady?

iron locust
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Batty seems to be a reliable pick from what I recall

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Damage, is fast, covers a decent area

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Mort deals more, is slower, a bit unreliable if you're trying to smack a boss

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Shady doesn't seem considered but it's saved my butt plenty of times (the Darkness drop for example blocks Dad's killer lasers)

neon trout
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Thank you @iron locust

iron locust
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It's often between Antos or Batty

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Antos can deal more damage, if the boss is by itself

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Good for snuffing out last phases of bosses like Lernie, Theseus, Hades

neon trout
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👍

jovial fulcrum
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its also really good for certain elites

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er

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midboss

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Batti is really good against Witches' Circle in Asphodel

neon trout
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Gotcha

iron locust
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I also want to comment on the design of Elysium

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I like how every brightsoul(?) practically plays a role in the eventual fight at the end with Theseus and Asterius

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Including the Chariots

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Brightswords lunge, Greatshield's Slashes, Bowman's crosshair on you to indicate eventual attack

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They're all elements in the fight

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Respectively, Asterius' lunge, Theseus' Spear Spin or Asterius' Axe splitting projectiles, or Theseus throwing his spear

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And the chariots are just lite version's of Asterius' chase

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Good stuff, basically "you've fought them in varying quantities now here's all of them in a duo that has both range and upfront aggression"

sterile fiber
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Yeah it's really neat

limpid minnow
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Maybe I should try using Poseidon's boons more

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like his dash

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I usually just go for Athena dash but I heard Poseidon's dash is busted

fading panther
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Absolutely killing it in Styx

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Athena dash still the best for beginners tho

acoustic vale
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Athena and Poseidon have the best dashes in the game iirc

jovial fulcrum
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Posiden is the best offensively, Athena is the best defensively

acoustic vale
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You know, I love how thematically appropriate it is that Athena and Ares boons work so well together

cunning urchin
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Passion Dash is the best dash in the game.

jovial fulcrum
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I think Blade Dash is slept on personally. It's surprisingly strong, and the tier 2 boons make it 👌

cunning urchin
limpid minnow
acoustic vale
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Rely on it more

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Dash only run

jovial fulcrum
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Blade Dash + Vicious Cycle has won me a run or two that probably would have died otherwise

cunning urchin
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Nothing wrong with relying on Divine Dash if it works.

acoustic vale
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I once had so many stacked blade rifts with various effects that my game started lagging and it cost me the run lol

fading panther
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Specifically, relying on ME with Athena dash squirtnya

jovial fulcrum
limpid minnow
acoustic vale
iron locust
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Demeter Dash is my go to for Priveleged Status. Covers a good area ahead of you, slow enemies.

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My least favorite dashes are those with effects on the point where the dash begins

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Like Dionysus or Ares

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Thinking about getting Poseidon's Second Wave

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What weapon and aspect do you guys recommend?

boreal prism
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well, you could always do a gilgamesh tidal dash run

fading panther
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Eris all the way ☺️

boreal prism
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otherwise probably a ranged weapon, melee is usually about dashing into enemies and tidal dash makes that harder

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oh! or talos, because talos loves rupture (pulling enemies activates rupture damage)

fading panther
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Yeah, increasing your dashes or increasing global damage is good

winter vortex
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I thought about a new build that i didn't hear anyone really talk about.

Basically, you get poseidons knockback on special of the aspect of Zeus. After that, you can get the rupture effect

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There are so many possible thigns you can do i think

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Anyway i'm gonna finish my run and see how effective it actually is

turbid needle
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its not that good thats why no one talks about it

winter vortex
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Oh rip my run then

turbid needle
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If you have Explosive Return, and a decent rarity/level, it actually does decent damage on it's own

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But you have better ways to use the special

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Zeus special as a standalone, Ares/Athena special for Merciful End, Artemis special with maybe Heart Rend/Deadly Reversal ...

winter vortex
cinder mist
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Probably a silly question, but I haven't dared try yet: If I have all the duo boons etc I want that build upon a specific boon, it's safe to sell it right?

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Like this run I took Curse of Vengeance to get Curse of Nausea. Now I have the Nausea and don't really care about Vengeance anymore - can I cash in on the 180 gold from selling Vengeance without screwing myself over?

maiden haven
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yes

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Once you get a Duo Boon, you can sell any prerequisite boons.

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It only checks if you've got the requirements when getting Boons

cinder mist
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Nice, thanks

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Related matter: Can you ever get rid of a god from the god pool by selling its boon? Like, if I get a 5th god to the pool from the end-of-level shop, and sell the only boon I get from it after the boss, will it still show up?

lucid oar
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No it will still be in your pool

cinder mist
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Cheers

maiden haven
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You can't lose gods from the boon pool.
You can miss a god or 2 in a run, but that's because of RNG, and not because they went away.

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Relatedly, you can sell Call and not lose Call-based boons (Second Wind, Clouded Judgment, etc.)
Same with aux boons (Lose any Zeus boon, but you can keep Static Discharge, etc.)

cinder mist
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Alright, good to know!

cinder mist
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Thinking of spending blood on aspect of Hera - what makes it good, exactly? I understand that it is meta, but not why. Is it just the time you save by loading your casts quickly instead of throwing them one by one, or is there something else I'm not seeing?

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(I see also that it makes them drop out of enemies quickly, but that just seems outclassed by poseidon sword)

lucid oar
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It's the quick casting that makes it good

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If you watch videos of Hera speedruns, you'll see how quickly these guys can use casts to kill enemies, unlike with Poseidon sword where you need flurry cast for it to even come close to Hera's speed

cinder mist
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Alright, that makes sense

formal pasture
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just tried a full Poseidon run on Gilgamesh fists

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encountered the 5 witches room in Asphodel

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feelsgood

sterile fiber
cunning urchin
solar dawn
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Whats the best option of delta chamber, ricco fire, or spread fire on eris rail?

lucid oar
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Delta

solar dawn
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ty

cunning urchin
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@solar dawn FYI, Delta Chamber gives your Dash-Attacks i-frames.

cinder mist
cunning urchin
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Ah. It's just the fastest bow, pretty much.

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Since you one-shot near everything.

cinder mist
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I looked at a speedrun after asking and noticed especially that you can do that without bothering with powershots at all

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So that's nice

cunning urchin
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Yeah.

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I undershoot a lot of the time, too.

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Meaning my arrow doesn't even hit the target.

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Just my Casts.

solar dawn
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Demeter legendary is really cool

winter vortex
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What are some good builds for the gun

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I forgot what it was called

cunning urchin
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Exagryph, the Adamant Rail.

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The most popular build is Lightning Strike with Tidal Dash.

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Then try to get Static Discharge and Breaking Wave.

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And any good % Special.

winter vortex
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Thx

cunning urchin
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Drunken Strike can also work really well.

toxic siren
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How many hours do you have into the game Nyaanyaa? How do you remember all the names? I know them I'm just lazy

cunning urchin
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1,144 hours now.

toxic siren
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damn

raw blade
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🗿

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me with my measly

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88 hrs

acoustic vale
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Concept: Aspect of Zeus, the special boon that adds doom, and the boon that lets the doom stack

lucid oar
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The best weapon I've tried for doom stacking is Rama with relentless volley

solar dawn
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More than luci?

lucid oar
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Yes

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And chiron

solar dawn
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Nice nice

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Flurry sword might be fun, even if not the best

cinder mist
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I’d imagine it stacks status really well

raw blade
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the best weapon for doom stacking is 100% aspect of lucifer

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with eternal chamber

cunning urchin
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This calls for a race between @acoustic vale, @lucid oar, and @raw blade to determine the winner.

languid forum
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i would like to see that

lucid oar
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I've got 1300 doom procs on Rama before

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Chiron was 1000

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And in haelians video, Lucifer only got to 800

solar dawn
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My tries with luci also only reach around that high

languid forum
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how do u even get that high with rama

lucid oar
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7 arrows per special, which is rapid firing stacks doom pretty quickly

languid forum
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o

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i didnt realise rama shot 7 arrows

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for its special

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nice

lucid oar
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It does if you have relentless volley

languid forum
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oh i see

runic cape
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guys can u recommend me a good high heat hestia build ?

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by high i mean like 32

lucid oar
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Heartbreak strike, Zeus aid, smoldering air

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Either divine dash or tidal dash

royal needle
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can confirm, thats what i used for the first 32 heat hestia i did

sweet blade
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How does the Ares Aphrodite duo boon (doom repeats on weak foes for half damage each repeat) interact with the ares boon that increases the damage of doom for repeated applications?

steel idol
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I have a similar question. How does Ares special interact with Aspect of Zeus on Shield?

sweet blade
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It'll apply the doom once, unless you have the boon I mentioned (doom can be reapplied for extra damage)

steel idol
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so that makes an ares build on the sheild potentially have high damage

sweet blade
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If you can grab said boon

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I personally prefer to do that on the aspect of chiron for the bow though, you can get 2-3 specialy off before the doom detonates, which is 16 (or 24 if you got the +4 arrows hammer upgrade) damage upgrades

proper furnace
sweet blade
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ah damn

steel idol
#

so just to clarify dire misfortune only stacks on different doom abilities (i.e. revenge, attack, and special) but not with multi-hit abilities

raw blade
#

what

#

no way

candid belfry
#

tbh

#

flurry rush should just be built into the spear

#

as a default mechanic

#

in the same way that demeter fists should just be the normal zag fists

#

getting to hold down the button rather than spam it is a massive thing for the feel of the weapon

#

a hammer upgrade should be something optional that changes how you play it

#

not something you always want to see because its just inherently fundamental to both your dps and gamefeel 😔

#

spear is the number 1 weapon where hammer rng matters a ton

acoustic vale
#

On the one hand, I should probably pick a second god keepsake to use, but on the other, if I keep the zeus keepsake I can get better zeus boons and just stack them on the blitz disc thingy. Or I could get random poms on my 3 boons. Possibly only two depending on if swift flourish is a valid pom target

fading nymph
#

You shouldn’t keep a god keepsake for another biome

#

It’s just not worth

cunning urchin
#

When you're not sure what keepsake to use, take the Coin Purse.

raw blade
#

this is true

cunning urchin
#

Can't pom Swift Flourish.

acoustic vale
acoustic vale
#

Is there any specific advice for how to make the bow dash strike more consistent? I find myself unable to reliably trigger it

winter vortex
#

Dash and press attack

#

Do you play on pc or not?

acoustic vale
#

pc yes

cunning urchin
#

Practice.

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Practice, practice, practice.

#

Even the best bow players sometimes miss their power shots.

winter vortex
#

Just find something that works for you

acoustic vale
#

Also: Looking at the wiki, WOW cursed slash seems awful

winter vortex
#

What does it do

acoustic vale
#

your attacks heal 2 hp but you have -60% max health. And all sources of max health give 60% less, and the healing doesn't apply to the dash strike

#

It also doesn't heal with piercing wave, but the game allows you to use both

solar dawn
#

It's not bad

#

Combos super well with flurry slash

winter vortex
acoustic vale
#

Depends how much blood you put into it

#

Also: it seems like piercing wave prevents the healing from ever activating, is that true or am I missing something about it works?

solar dawn
#

The wave doesn't heal, sword hits do

acoustic vale
#

I see

turbid needle
#

pretty sure it doesnt heal w dash strikes at all

#

that makes it rly bad

raw blade
#

yeah

#

the only time i like cursed slash is with flurry

acoustic vale
lucid oar
#

Posting this for visibility, but the unmodded anyheat WR was smashed, 5:32 by Croven, on Beowulf

full beacon
#

Cursed Slash carried me a lot of my early runs. Any time I went through a particularly challenging room, I'd just heal it all back up the next room. And with the Athena Call, it ensures that you full heal during a boss fight.

#

Also let me just mash the attack button through most encounters. You can also outheal the poison in Styx with it. No need to slow down and drink that nectar or whatever.

winter vortex
#

What are some cook builds for aspect of Achilles

lucid oar
#

Flurry jab, tidal dash, either lightning strike and jolted, or deadly strike and hunters mark

#

Slicing shot and hunting blades is also good to look out for

solar dawn
#

Does blizzard shot scale with cast damage?

cinder mist
#

I've watched some speedruns/other high level runs and noticed that people always go for the skull doors in Styx instead of the normal ones. What's the reason for it? Are the better rewards worth the slower (I presume) clears, or do they have a higher chance of satyr sack, or what?

lucid oar
#

They are quicker

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1 big enemy takes less time than waves of multiple enemies

cinder mist
#

Ooh, right. I always figured they had a higher chance of getting those annoying mini bosses like small vermin so I have mostly been avoiding them

lucid oar
#

Vermin is only a 1/8 chance I think, so it's worth it

#

And even then, vermin is still quicker than a normal chamber

cinder mist
#

Alright, ty

regal wigeon
#

it is me

#

or the hamme rupgrade for the bow

#

the two arrows side by side

#

doesnt deal more dmg?

lucid oar
#

They do deal more damage

fading panther
#

Try to get both arrows to hit the same enemy

regal wigeon
#

oh :/

#

ok i was figting small enemies then

cunning urchin
regal wigeon
#

i want to post an image

#

damit

lucid oar
#

You can post a discord link

regal wigeon
#

fair enought!

#

i think i need more death defiances

jovial fulcrum
#

i had a run where i got chaos defiance twice one time lol

regal wigeon
#

....I CAN GET MORE!!! YES!

winter vortex
solar dawn
#

Chaos can give you a death defiance

winter vortex
#

Oh wow

raw blade
#

literally the rarest boon

supple igloo
#

ive had it 3 times and 2 of the times were in the same run Sweats

opaque hare
#

what goes well with explosive return?

acoustic vale
#

Other throwing hammers I'd guess

jovial fulcrum
#

or charged shot

acoustic vale
#

Am I correct in my thought that Tempest Flourish is very good on chiron?

strange lark
#

with sea storm

lucid oar
#

Yes if you get sea storm

cunning urchin
#

So you'll want to make sure you're close enough or that your Volley will knock them into an obstacle, so they're not out of range.

#

Knocking them into an obstacle will also add wall-slam damage, which can combo with Poseidon's t2 boons like Breaking Wave.

#

The Poseidon route in speedruns for Chiron is normally Tidal Dash first and Tempest Flourish second

#

And get either Electric Shot or Zeus' Aid for Sea Storm.

#

If you're starting anything else like courte5EternalRose for Heartbreak Strike, it's quite a bit more difficult to make Tempest Flourish work for you, but still very doable.

sweet blade
#

which boon gave you rapid god gauge charging, but limited the size of the gauge

strange lark
#

smoldering air

turbid needle
#

aphrodite + zeus

maiden haven
#

Smoldering Air, which is Aphrodite' and Zeus' duo boon

sweet blade
#

If I ge that with Hades' keepsake, will that prevent me from using my call since the minimum required to use it is 50%?

strange lark
#

yes

cunning urchin
#

You can't get it if you have the Sigil equipped.

#

You'll need to get Smoldering Air first, then purge your Call, then equip the keepsake. But yeah, you won't be able to use Hades' Aid.

sweet blade
#

oh, a question related to Hades' call: if I e.g. put down a Demeter cast and then call, does the cast get the bonus damage until I decloak?

cunning urchin
#

The Cast will do bonus damage, yes.

#

The bonus damage duration is independent of your invisibility.

acoustic vale
#

shockingly, divine dash with zeus shield and epic level greatest reflex is really good at not taking damage from Hades

turbid needle
#

who would've thought

acoustic vale
#

espeically when you also got the duo boon that makes projectiles move slower

sweet blade
#

how high can you stack passive dodge chance? Assuming you get all the relevant boons on heroic and manage to stack hermes' keepsake to the maximum possible

turbid needle
#

that ones nice for the goddamn satyrs

acoustic vale
#

I believe it's possible to reach 100% if you're really lucky

turbid needle
#

yep

sweet blade
#

oh wow

#

imagine hades trying to kill zagreus but he attacks just phase through him

turbid needle
#

but only temporarily, with second wind increasing your dodge chance after using call

#

but if you also have smoldering air, basically constantly

sweet blade
#

smoldering air and call all the time

cunning urchin
#

You'll need Second Wind or Ruthless Reflex, yeah.

sweet blade
#

btw, I recently started a new save (propably should have activated hell mode too) and I must say, stygian soul is super good

cunning urchin
#

Hell mode isn't a drastic difference, anyway.

#

But it does feel different when you can't disable those 5 pacts. I kinda like it.

sweet blade
#

What does Personal Liability do exactly?

cunning urchin
#

Normally, when you take, if I remember right, 20% of your max HP as damage in a short time, you get an invulnerability shield for a brief moment.

#

To prevent getting comboed to death.

#

Personal Liability turns that off.

acoustic vale
#
  1. I didn't know that was a thing, I like it
  2. Chiron, with relentless volley? yes
mighty silo
#

Shotgun build: aspect of Rama (the bow) with double shot and explosive shot

cunning urchin
#

That but with Triple Shot instead of Twin Shot. courte5AphroHeart courte5DusaBond

acoustic vale
#

I took a chaos boon and at current have +722% damage from traps

sweet blade
#

Can deathless stand refresh the skelly tooth defiance?

#

if yes, will it still be the skelly defiance (100HP) or a regular one?

cunning urchin
#

Regular DD. But they have odd interactions when you equip or unequip Lucky Tooth after getting the DD from her.

cunning urchin
#

@solar dawn if you do a Heart Rend build on Gilgamesh, you probably want Passion Dash + Deadly Strike and get a lot of poms on your Dash and on Hunter's Mark, and beyond that, any crit build always wants a lot of Chaos Boons because they don't really scale with anything else. You'd also want Gods' Pride for better boons from Master Chaos, higher rarity Hunter's Mark, etc.

#

If you do a Tidal Dash build, you just want lots of poms on that and get Breaking Wave etc., and probably Lightning Strike for the added range to your Attack and potentially Sea Storm later.

iron locust
fading panther
#

Does Tidal Dash still work on fists? Besides just dashing and damaging enemies with the dash? In my head, I thought enemies just get farther and farther away from you, you had to position them in front of a wall or something

iron locust
#

Load cast, never use it, get free 40% damage buff, then spam specials to clean out huge areas

fading panther
#

Also besides Sea Storm, of course

cunning urchin
#

@solar dawn your poms were kind of misplaced for DPS, and the synergy wasn't great. Like, you needed Heartbreak Flourish to apply Weak for Heart Rend, but Tidal Dash tends to knock enemies outside of your Dash-Upper range. Special is also kind of slow, so hitting everything with your Special just to proc Heart Rend is really slow. Passion Dash would do that much better.

solar dawn
#

Yeah, was mostly doing it to level a couple keepsakes and get the prophecy, should have planned the run a bit better

#

Mostly just went with what I could

cunning urchin
#

@fading panther I don't like it, but Lightning Strike + Tidal Dash can work. There's a bit of a fringe build that's popular with some speedrunners who don't want to do ME that uses Lightning Strike + Deadly Flourish + Tidal Dash on Malphon.

acoustic vale
#

Advice for gilgamesh, from a guy who's been using it a fair bit but doesn't know any of the meta: If you can get colossus knuckle, you 100% should no matter what else is being offered in that hammer

solar dawn
#

Ty nyaa and scourge

acoustic vale
#

The fact sturdy prevents you from being stunned makes actually activating the maim much more reliable. In theory anyways. I personally can't get it to activate even when I'm not being attacked, but that's just because I have poor coordination

cunning urchin
#

Eh, I don't care too much for Colossus Knuckle. It's a settle pick.

fading panther
cunning urchin
#

Breaching Cross and Explosive Upper are still #1.

fading panther
#

No walls

cunning urchin
#

There are still plenty of walls to knock enemies into in Asphodel, for the most part. But some chambers are bad, yeah.

acoustic vale
#

I'm still using Chiron, but now I have relentless volley AND piercing volley

#

I meet the qualifications for mirage shot, sea storm, AND unshakeable mettle

cunning urchin
#

Time to get Lightning Rod. dusa

acoustic vale
#

That too

#

Good news, got sea storm

#

The game just keeps offering me Poseidon boons so I keep taking them dsjfjsd

iron locust
#

You're gonna literally wash Styx

acoustic vale
#

I have 4 Poseidon boons rn, and am about to get a fifth

#

Update: 5th one my special now also inflicts rupture. And since it causes lightning it also adds jolted. I kinda wish I had used the mirror talent that makes things do more when the foe has two status curses because it's very easy to apply them

#

6th posideon boon. Mirage shot. It also offered Unshakeable mettle at the same time, but there's also two athena boons in styx so I figured mirage might be better

turbid needle
#

mirage is only good when you use cast mainly

#

unshakeable mettle is very decent actually

languid forum
#

poseidon special on chiron with that one duo boon with zues

#

hmm

acoustic vale
# turbid needle unshakeable mettle is very decent actually

I am aware of both of these. I just also know there's a chance either of the Athena boons can call Unshakeable Mettle and I can have 3 Poseidon duo boons, and a total of 8 Poseidon boons by the end of this run and I don't think I need the help so badly that the run will fail if I don't have it

acoustic vale
#

...in fact it appears to be nearly guaranteed. She has a total of 4 boons she can give currently that don't involve replacing a different boon. So as long as that option doesn't trigger, by my math I am 100% guaranteed it

#

100% guaranteed. I just got it lol

#

I am so tempted to go for Lightning Rod even though I have no benefit from it, just to say I have 4 duos in one run. Or I could go for Athena again and a centaur heart

tawny fern
#

Okay what is a build for Exagryph that doesn't make me feel like I'm using a pea shooter HisameRAWR

raw blade
#

the classic Eris build

#

with the lightning strike

#

and cluster rockets

#

and splash dash

edgy mauve
#

cluster rockets arent needed

tawny fern
#

Okay I'll get Eris

solar dawn
#

Rocket bomb is nice on it

#

Makes it really quick to proc the damage boost

lone jetty
#

Or go HAZARD BOMB it’s fun

edgy mauve
#

hazard bomb eris is just why

solar dawn
#

Why not

cunning urchin
#

There's a monthly challenge that includes using Hazard Bomb on Eris. courte5AphroHeart courte5DusaBond

edgy mauve
#

u could just get delta first hammer

#

hazard second hammer

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and then iframe all of them without even trying

#

because delta gives u iframes even when u dash strike

strange lark
#

@hidden gale the more you play the faster you will get

hidden gale
#

I guess yeah

strange lark
#

And you shouldn't compare yourself to other people

hidden gale
#

Btw are mods bannable?

hidden gale
strange lark
#

No

iron locust
#

That is a setting

bronze marten
#

Very specific weird question - if I have a hades keepsake I need four more rooms to level it up, will the level up improve the call during that run

nocturne bolt
#

In general, if a keepsake upgrades during a run, you immediately gain the added benefits, I think, so I don't see why that particular one would be any different

iron locust
#

Still waiting for someone to mod ||Excalibur|| into the Crucible Blade from Doom Eternal

#

Also is anyone else really uncomfortable with how Zag winds his bows?

#

All the strings go through him

full beacon
#

I dont think anyone is looking qt him when they are fighting

iron locust
#

Until you realize it

sweet blade
#

Is Hermes had a call, what do you think it would do?

acoustic vale
#

you go really really really fast, dodge really well, and attack really fast

sweet blade
#

a massive boost to attack and special speed sounds like it could be hermes' call

sterile fiber
#

See I'd say that, but that's basically Hades' Aid

acoustic vale
#

I thought that just made you invisible

sterile fiber
#

no it increases your damage too

acoustic vale
#

oh

sterile fiber
#

And also speed

full beacon
#

Yeah, it could just provide every single Hermes buff but on crack

#

200% ALL SPEED

steel swan
#

a slow down effect would be cool

#

like that one arthur hammer except its stronger or something

cunning urchin
acoustic vale
#

just delete all the animation

mighty silo
#

So what exactly makes merciful end so good?

#

What does it do?

acoustic vale
#

damage fast

mighty silo
#

But what does it do?

#

Exactly?

steel swan
#

applies doom without having to wait for the doom timer

cunning urchin
#

Every time you hit an enemy that's afflicted with Doom with an ability that deflects, you proc Doom immediately and add 40 bonus damage to the Doom.

steel swan
#

^

mighty silo
#

Ohk

cunning urchin
#

So you just get Divine Dash and Dash-Attack everything to death.

mighty silo
#

Thanks

iron locust
full beacon
#

That or ask a modder goaClap

cunning urchin
#

You could. The point is there's no model of the aspect in the game that you could just swap. There are just a whole lot of pre-rendered frames for every animation that uses the aspect.

boreal prism
#

You would have a harder time doing this than the developers of the game did. In their office they have 3d models of zag and all the weapons. That's not in the game files so you can't use that technique

runic cape
#

guys whats the best cast build

queen cape
acoustic vale
#

What happens if I just remove all animations?

errant narwhal
#

you could try it and see, lol

#

and then verify integrity of game files/just put them back

granite lava
#

if anyone has some features they'd like to request on one of my mods, please let me know

worthy dagger
#

is deadly flourish good on lucifer Q

proven osprey
#

Yes, amazing even

sterile fiber
#

Hera first hammer: Sniper Shot, Triple Shot, Relentless Volley. Take Relentless Volley and hope for point blank/double later, or go with Triple?

solar dawn
#

You're probably not gonna special like at all on hera

sterile fiber
#

but is triple worth being locked out of double

solar dawn
#

Depends on how you play, triple is pretty hard to hit on hera for me at least

cunning urchin
#

Flurry, Twin, and Triple are the best hammers on Hera.

#

I'd def take Triple there.

bronze marten
#

Running Eris rail. Got a Pom - jolted from 60 to 96 or lightning strike from 14 to 17

#

Which is better

strange lark
#

jolted

bronze marten
#

Thanks

edgy mauve
cunning urchin
#

Whose jolted?

edgy mauve
#

w h a t?

cunning urchin
#

Whose?

edgy mauve
#

static discharge

cunning urchin
#

Static Discharge's jolted?

solar dawn
#

My jolted

raw blade
#

🗿

lucid oar
edgy mauve
bronze marten
#

Eris rail is so busted it was just random stuff I got like four total zeus and I hate underworld customs

sweet blade
#

I assume hoarding strike doesn't benefit from the gods % damage buffs?

turbid needle
#

no

#

it doesnt scale with anything its just flat dmg thats being added

acoustic vale
#

People seem to really like Achilles spear, am I missing something to that?

waxen shell
#

Well it does a lot of damage

#

More of an Aspect of Guan Yu guy myself

edgy mauve
acoustic vale
#

Oh, is it flurry strike I'm missing for it to be good?

edgy mauve
#

flurry jab is essential on achilles if u wanna go fast

candid belfry
#

flurry jab is just essential on spear in general

#

the main thing achilles really dominates at is casts

#

since it only strengthens 4 attacks, normal strikes burn through it instantly

#

but for casts were each one counts, you wont need to spam special nearly as much

#

the main reason people love achilles though its just because its pretty much just a better version of the base spear

#

so no matter what you want to do, its just better so might as well take it shadeohboy

sterile fiber
#

gave RI4 a spin it's..something

worldly fog
#

What's RI again

sterile fiber
#

disable mirror skills. RI4 is all of them

worldly fog
#

Oh
That sounds...painful

sterile fiber
#

yeah
imagination: ugh only one dash
reality: NO DD aaaaaAAA

worldly fog
#

One dash, no healing after encounters, no bonuses for casts, no extra health...eesh

#

Oh shoot no DD

#

Hmmm

#

I usually go with EM4 and the timer but I might give RI a shot instead of EM4

sterile kayak
#

How good is chill chiron bow? (special chill, artic blast, etc) Has anyone done this? Is it a common build?

cunning urchin
#

It's popular enough, yeah.

#

It's too slow for speedruns, but it's decent enough for high heat and just clearing.

boreal prism
#

does chill get stronger or weaker when FO is introduced

waxen shell
#

Probably stronger for the most part if you don't put Arctic Blast onto it

#

Or whatever Demeter Boon removes Stacks

proven osprey
#

Chill is really good against FO yeah

#

Artic blast is a terrible boon however

cunning urchin
#

Arctic Blast on Chiron with Frost Flourish is really good.

#

You'd want Privileged Status if you're going for Frost Flourish because her boons don't really scale with anything, so the extra damage helps quite a bit.

#

Something like this.

toxic siren
#

meme beam can work with arctic blast right?

cunning urchin
#

Yeah.

#

If you apply Chill that fast, Arctic Blast is always decent.

#

Especially at higher rarity.

#

You can't pom her t2 boons except for Glacial Glare, so rarity is very important.

#

And her core boons don't scale very well with poms.

#

So you want high rarity and global damage bonuses.

waxen shell
#

So only Demeter boons, pom blossom, and Aspect of Arthur could be pretty viable?

cunning urchin
#

Chaos boons are good, too, to make up for the lack of damage.

cunning urchin
#

It's viable enough, anyway. If you're not doing speedruns or extremely high heats, anything is viable.

waxen shell
#

Also with the monthly challenge, does Disciple of Poseidon activate if you purge boons before Styx?

#

Or rather, can it be achieved by getting boons aside from Poseidon's, but purging them before getting to Hades?

hoary slate
#

You need to have 6+ Poseidon Boons including the legendary at the end. Purging only matters if you wan to avoid a different Run-Clear-Message, but if you purge 5+ you're eligible for "Boon Purger though.

proven osprey
#

It's actually detrimental

#

With multiple meme beams it should be ok since chill will be applied anyway

#

But it breaks the chilling effect for a ridiculous amount of damage

#

I'd rather have Hades at 10 stacks and killing freeze than breaking the effect and dealing with him with FO2

#

So I'd consider taking it only if I have a way to apply chill fast enough

#

Typically Achilles, glacial glare and multiple casts

toxic siren
#

Achilles spear gud.

proven osprey
#

This build in particular is super fun

#

It needs a lot to get started though

toxic siren
#

GLACIAL GLAAAREEE

#

crystal clarity

solar dawn
#

Should I go triple or double shot on rama?

proven osprey
#

Do you have another hammer?
Triple is more damage with the shotgun. Twin is really comfy and it's also a lot of damage. More reliable but less potential

#

Reliable because triple takes practice

solar dawn
#

I have point blank rn

proven osprey
#

Triple then

solar dawn
#

alright ty

#

Just need to give the enemies a hug pretty much right?

proven osprey
#

Yep! Be careful while doing so

#

Should not be punishing, I'm guessing it's not high heat

solar dawn
#

nah, just 11, trying it out

proven osprey
#

Yeah you'll be fine

solar dawn
#

thank you dusaHeart

proven osprey
#

In general you want to dodge towards the enemy and punish with that melee PowerShot

#

Especially true for bosses

solar dawn
#

this damage is pretty nuts, I like it

cunning urchin
#

Whichever you like tbh.

solar dawn
#

yeah, ran another one with twin, I think I like that a bit better

acoustic vale
#

What is "meme beam"

solar dawn
#

Demeter cast

acoustic vale
#

Ah. Seems not worth it most of the time tbh

proven osprey
#

You have to be building around it and it needs a ton of boons

#

It's strong with Achilles

#

And that's about it

lucid oar
#

Zag sword bouldy

#

Fyi my zag sword anyheat PB used meme beams lol

proven osprey
#

Pog

acoustic vale
#

Is there any reason to use the boon that makes it track you after you've got the prophecy done?

proven osprey
#

Cold Embrace...

#

It's awful

solar dawn
#

The only real nerf boon

proven osprey
#

I tried to make it work, really

#

Crystal clarity just does the work of making it hit enemies

#

I tried cold Embrace Hera for funsies

#

Did not think the damage could be that low

rigid imp
#

I'm like 99% completion, and really just want to mess around with some theorycrafting and Codex Mod. What guildlines do you think I should give myself if absolutely want builds to be possible to get playing vanilla just maybe wildly improbable?

#

I know I need a boon limit, but no idea what that number should be. I know there should be a god limit of 4 + hermes + keepsakes, but in practice who would do that?

#

And do you should you say 2 or 3 hammers assuming you get massively lucky with anvil

edgy mauve
#

just do 2 hammers

#

putting needless rng in the mix is pointless

edgy mauve
proven osprey
#

ah

#

yes

edgy mauve
#

aka im pretty sure im the one that redeemed that LOL

wanton flint
#

My ideal spear is Achilles with Demeter's chill attack and the flurry jab hammer upgrade

#

Also chaos boons are hella useful

#

but my highest heat is 20 so I dunno if there's something different for higher than that

sweet blade
#

Is Privileged Status a damage increase for Zagreus or a damage vulnerability for the enemy?

wanton flint
#

I think it's damage increase for Zag

boreal prism
#

What's the difference

wanton flint
#

I dunno

solar dawn
#

Debuffs work for summons

wanton flint
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I usually have either Aphrodite's dash or Dionysus' dash for the second status effect though

sweet blade
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damage increases on zag all stack additively (e.g. 20%+20%=40%), if I had a damage increase and a damage vulnerability it would be like 20%*20%=44% as those stack multiplicatively

solar dawn
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privileged is a debuff for enemies I think btw

wanton flint
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oh okay

solar dawn
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Based on what the wiki says, they take extra damage

wanton flint
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welp imma go play some hades lmao

lucid oar
solar dawn
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@cunning urchin ty for the gilgamesh tips, this run went a lot better. Wouldnt have gone passion dash if you didnt recommend it

wary flare
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Am I the only one who loves ares boon doom?

sterile fiber
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just about everyone loves it I think

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something something Merciful End

wary flare
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oh i just saw a tier list and ares was in c tier

lone jetty
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Eh don’t worry about that shenanigans

sterile fiber
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I see the poorness of online tierlists is universal

acoustic vale
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I wouldn't say "poorness of online tier lists", more like "existence of a variety of playstyles where certain things will be better or worse than the "optimal" way to play."

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TBH, these less optimal tier lists are probably better for the average player, because most people don't have the knowledge or desire to optimize pom usage and aim for very specific builds

untold vortex
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Even then tier lists are almost always subjective and for something like boons is highly dependant on the weapon/aspect you're using. Which makes it incredibly hard to make an objective "universal" boon tier list

turbid needle
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the game is well made so every god has their place and uses 👍

untold vortex
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Exactly ^_^

acoustic vale
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Every boon is potentially helpful. Except Cold Embrace

boreal prism
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cold embrace is bad but it's not "never helpful" bad

acoustic vale
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When is it helpful?

proven osprey
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You can sell it

boreal prism
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when you don't have the better demeter cast duo, you can still actually use demeter cast

proven osprey
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I'd rather have no duo tbh

boreal prism
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it's an upgrade over regular demeter cast, imo

proven osprey
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Oh interesting

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I don't think it's an upgrade, especially for ranged weapons

boreal prism
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in practice it's really hard to use, but I find it easier to move myself near enemies than to try and spawn the cast pointing the right way

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regular demeter cast, i end up placing the wrong way and it does like 2 seconds of chip damage before disappearing

proven osprey
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Yeah

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With cold Embrace you can get more ticks of 0 damage

boreal prism
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embrace demeter cast, I can place on one side of the enemy, and then i can go to the other side of the enemy and punch it

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it's not great on ranged weapons yeah

proven osprey
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The problem is more Demeter cast than cold Embrace tbh

outer quail
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i do the same as riddler. i can get good usage out of Cold Embrace but in order to do so I pretty much have to just focus on making it work

proven osprey
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But when cristal clarity exists it makes cold Embrace look bad

cunning urchin
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Cold Embrace is decent.

raw blade
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does deflecting melee attacks just nullify the attack or parry it

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reflecting the damage

full beacon
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I dunno if it's 100% of the damage, but there is reflected damage

proven osprey
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It reflects a part of the damage, and even more with Brilliant Riposte.
Stronger attacks deal more damage when reflected i.e bombs in Styx, projectiles from spreaders in Elysium, or even some of Hades' attacks

acoustic vale
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If I deflect one of those falling bombs, does it still hurt me when it explodes?

boreal prism
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deflected bombs have a little yellow ring around them, and they don't hurt you when they detonate

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but well, getting them to hit anything else is a hassle

raw blade
acoustic vale
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I'm just glad to know I can stop dodging them

worthy dagger
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are there certain upgrades on mirror i should get or ?

acoustic vale
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All

worthy dagger
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not helpful

acoustic vale
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You should get all of them, I'm being serious

boreal prism
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get the death defiances one, and the dashes one

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those ones are crucial

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there's none you should skip, obviously

worthy dagger
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obviously i want to get them all but is ther ea build

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are some better than others

boreal prism
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get the death defiances one, and the dashes one

worthy dagger
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then what

boreal prism
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you'll want at least one of the cast ones. infernal is better for some builds and stygian is better for others

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then the one that heals you, then the one that gives you more health

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do you have the lower parts of the mirror unlocked yet?

worthy dagger
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yes

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everything

boreal prism
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getting at least one of each reroll is good

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god's legacy is important for capital B Builds

worthy dagger
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what are capital b builds

raw blade
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capital b

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🥴

boreal prism
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like, if everyone's recommending that you use a duo boon, and you wanna try it

raw blade
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🅱️uilds

worthy dagger
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oh

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well

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what should i take with lucifer

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i just want to

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win

boreal prism
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dark foresight will make your builds really good but you get less keys n stuff

worthy dagger
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and get titans blood

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lol

boreal prism
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lucifer is a real funny weapon, you can do a lot with it

worthy dagger
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should i take shadow presence

boreal prism
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you can do what always works with gun, which is zeus atk, aphro special, and then hope for triple bomb

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lucifer has an even faster attack than regular gun, so you could hypothetically activate backstabs way more often than normal

worthy dagger
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do i want thick skin

boreal prism
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and firey presence is weaker than usual on lucifer, because the shockwaves that the bombs shoot out will damage enemies

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you almost always want thick skin

worthy dagger
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family favorite ?

boreal prism
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unless you really want that juicy damage and you're speedrunning

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family favorite is better if you dont have a build in mind

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pick privileged status if you know for sure you're gonna be using 2 status curses

worthy dagger
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status curse is like aphro weak right

boreal prism
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yep

worthy dagger
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does jolted count

boreal prism
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jolted does count

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but remember that you'll need to get the extra boon to be able to inflict jolted

worthy dagger
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boiling or abyssal blood

raw blade
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i use boiling

worthy dagger
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if i take boiling do i want stygian

boreal prism
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do you wanna be stronger or do you want your enemies to be weaker.. generally same dfiference

worthy dagger
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i like seeing big numbers

boreal prism
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stygian makes boiling or abyssal not matter, really

worthy dagger
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enemy die dopamine

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so not stygian

boreal prism
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stygian is cool on casts that don't lodge

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on casts that go really slowly

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like dio cast

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or demeter cast

worthy dagger
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oh wait so it lodging depends on the boon

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how does stygian work

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er like

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idk how to explain it

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when i shoot an enemy does it lodge or hit them unlodge then start charging

boreal prism
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no

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it starts charging as soon as you shoot, but the cast doesn't lodge

worthy dagger
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so i dont want stygian if i have boiling blood

boreal prism
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but some casts don't ever lodge

raw blade
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i think you should try everything out

boreal prism
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so stygian is better with those casts

raw blade
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to get a feel

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for

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everything

worthy dagger
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thats lame

boreal prism
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some people wanna have the mechanics explained, that's ok

worthy dagger
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with lucifer does it matter if my boons are insane rarity

boreal prism
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rarity is nice on any weapon

worthy dagger
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true

boreal prism
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dark foresight is better than olympian favor if you want stronger builds, and you don't value long term currencies as much

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god's legacy is better than god's pride if your build needs a duo boon

worthy dagger
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but with lucifer id rather want gods pride

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right

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since the favored build is like zeus atk and aphro special

boreal prism
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if you go for the classic gun build, zeus/aphro, then the duo you'd be lining up is "smouldering air". that duo is really good, and it can carry your run

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either way works, you really dont need smouldering air

raw blade
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smouldering air is alright

boreal prism
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if you get the right call for it...

raw blade
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hmm

boreal prism
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stunlocking any boss is alright, i guess

raw blade
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is that even a thing

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im so sure someone said bosses cannot be stunlocked

boreal prism
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if you get a high rarity aphrodite call and smouldering air, you can

raw blade
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ah

worthy dagger
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i maxed gods pride one point dark foresight one point fated persuasion

raw blade
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i thought that rift blades must stun lock the bosses but i dont think that works

boreal prism
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yeah bosses resist that kind of stun

raw blade
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sad af

worthy dagger
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is blade dash good ?

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ive never took it ever lol

boreal prism
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meh, most dashes just do chip damage

untold vortex
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on it's own it's not great, it becomes quite good if you build into blade rifts

worthy dagger
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i got the blade rift cast

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just sold it lol

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2 dashes or 20% dodge chance when hit ?

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or 16 mf stone cold gold rocks on each chamber

boreal prism
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ooh that's a high rarity dodge

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the dashes are better if you're good at dashing, dodge chance otherwise

worthy dagger
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im a literal genius mastermind toptier pharaoh golem chieftan commander of dodging

boreal prism
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you know yourself better than i do

worthy dagger
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i take it back i want my dodge chance back

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POGU I REROLLED AND GOT RARE JOLTED

boreal prism
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Hey hey!

worthy dagger
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why does zagreus keep calling the bone hydra lernie

boreal prism
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Thats his name

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Lernean bone hydra -> lernie

worthy dagger
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wait

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was his name alwats lernie or did i do something to change his name

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because i swear his name was never lernia

boreal prism
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As zag gets to know the hydra better, he develops a nickname

worthy dagger
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ohk

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i got artemis aid with smouldering air

boreal prism
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Ah that's one of the less good ones, but it'll still give you some comfortable damage increase

worthy dagger
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should i take second wind or quick favor

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its 36% for second wind

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i have smouldering air so maybe second wind is good ?

boreal prism
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Go for quick favor i think

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Second wind always kinda underwhelming imo

worthy dagger
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time to kill hades

boreal prism
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Gl

worthy dagger
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sorry

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YOU SPEAK OF THIS "GL" LIKE I REQUIRE IT. LIKE I NEED IT

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I AM 11

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PLAYER OF GAMES

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HADES SLAYER

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GAME DOMINATOR

boreal prism
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Nice

worthy dagger
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what are these

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secret stacjes

boreal prism
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The statues?

worthy dagger
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secret stash

boreal prism
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The bottom of the keepsake box?

worthy dagger
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yes

boreal prism
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If you get close enough to 6 specific characters, you unlock "companions"

worthy dagger
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who

boreal prism
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||skelly, meg, than, dusa, sisyphus, achilles||

worthy dagger
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what do these things do

boreal prism
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Most of them just deal a lot of damage to a single target

worthy dagger
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if i equip one does it unequip my keepsake

boreal prism
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Nope, it's seperate

worthy dagger
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ohk

solar dawn
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when you get an extra stubborn defiance from athena, does it come back if you lose it (like the normal one)?

turbid needle
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no

solar dawn
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cool ty

cunning urchin
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Especially if you have a way to apply Weak reliably, which you most likely have if you have Smoldering Air.

proven osprey