#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 914

cunning urchin Jul 29, 2021, 10:16 PM

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Lol

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Depends on the build and stuff. Like I said, I think boons like it are very underrated.

orchid yarrow Jul 29, 2021, 10:28 PM

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What is the minimum requirement to get T2 boons? Do I just need to have one boon from that God and then I'm eligible? Or is there something else?

lucid oar Jul 29, 2021, 10:32 PM

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You can check it all in the codex

royal needle Jul 29, 2021, 10:33 PM

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T2 boons usually only require a T1 boon from a god, such as jolted from Zeus that needs a boon that summon lighting ( so any of them ), but some of them require different things - for example, double strike requires any of Zeus's boons that summon lighting bolts, whereas storm lighting requires any of his boons that summon chain lighting

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IIRC

shut mortar Jul 30, 2021, 12:00 AM

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yes, but replenishing dds from athena requires any t1 boon but the call, for some... weird reason?

sterile fiber Jul 30, 2021, 1:11 AM

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How does Antos targeting work? I feel that I'm not using it properly because Pat misses more than not

edgy mauve Jul 30, 2021, 1:12 AM

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i think its random?

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dont quote me on it

errant narwhal Jul 30, 2021, 1:13 AM

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how can they miss? its an automatic hit. or do you mean they hit a different target than you want

fading nymph Jul 30, 2021, 1:19 AM

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I just accidentally bought LC4 food instead of a boon I needed

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Why am I like this

sterile fiber Jul 30, 2021, 1:22 AM

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no like, I see Pat just drop to a space with nothing and I don't see the damage number

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I only use them in bossfights

sterile fiber Jul 30, 2021, 1:22 AM

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fading nymph I just accidentally bought LC4 food instead of a boon I needed

I do that too, rip

errant narwhal Jul 30, 2021, 1:27 AM

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hmm

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sounds like a bug

sterile fiber Jul 30, 2021, 1:28 AM

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hmm maybe I'll try recording (or paying more attention lol)

errant narwhal Jul 30, 2021, 1:29 AM

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if theres only one target, theyll both hit the same target twice

sterile fiber Jul 30, 2021, 1:29 AM

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so it's not like Mort or Battie where it targets an area and will miss if the enemy moves?

errant narwhal Jul 30, 2021, 1:29 AM

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nope, not in my experience

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also if you use it on hades and the first hit will finish him off, the second hit will target you. its really funny

sterile fiber Jul 30, 2021, 1:31 AM

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ldsddsjflkdsjf WOT

boreal prism Jul 30, 2021, 2:19 AM

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Pat getting confused huh

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that only happens against hades?

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 3:19 AM

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They aim at Zag's position if there's no valid target, yeah.

slim moss Jul 30, 2021, 3:25 AM

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I have an insane build that I got right out of the gates and then beat an erebus gate 2 rooms in with it... ||pulverizing blow + swift strike||

solid sable Jul 30, 2021, 3:41 AM

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Best Chaos shield build?

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 3:41 AM

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Thunder Flourish + Static Discharge.

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Also, Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike, ideally with Charged Shot.

crimson ether Jul 30, 2021, 4:03 AM

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I've never done a cast build without Beowulf so I wanna try one out. What's a good and easy one to use & obtain?

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 4:24 AM

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You can make decent Cast builds with all of the Casts. I wrote some general tips for Cast builds here. #h1-builds-and-combat message

kind yew Jul 30, 2021, 5:06 AM

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How many poms should I invest in each boon

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Whats the scaling

fading panther Jul 30, 2021, 5:10 AM

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Generally, you’ll see diminishing returns by the 4-5th pom

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 5:11 AM

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cVdy_XLcHHzbJsIG_OX6vUlr8eTlcLuw32FXq-gx1jc/edit?usp=sharing

Google Docs

Pom and Rarity Scaling

out

Id,Icon,Name,Slot,Base,Format,Common,Rare,Epic,Heroic,PomValue,PomDecay
AphroditeSecondaryTrait,Boon_Aphrodite_00,Heartbreak Flourish,Secondary,+80%,PercentDelta,1,1.3 to 1.5,1.8 to 2,2.3 to 2.5,0.4,0.7
AphroditeWeaponTrait,Boon_Aphrodite_01,Heartbreak Strike,Melee,+50%,PercentDelta,1,1.3 to...

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Actually, you see diminishing returns right after the first pom and any pom after that. After around the 5th usually, you see no more diminishing returns.

fading panther Jul 30, 2021, 5:19 AM

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Oh

kind yew Jul 30, 2021, 6:02 AM

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Ty

inland mural Jul 30, 2021, 6:24 AM

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@fallen cosmos @full beacon my bad so uh my scheme was flipped, it's actuall Attack, DPAD direction

full beacon Jul 30, 2021, 6:25 AM

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This man lied

inland mural Jul 30, 2021, 6:27 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870512002873823254/870553058940190780/badabing.PNG

inland mural Jul 30, 2021, 6:28 AM

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full beacon This man lied

But this man delivers

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Sort of? It depends on the build, the right stick function is there for me to expedite the attack + aim process

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I still have Attack bound to a normal button

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In case I want to precisely aim

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Oh okay I guess that's fine

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The important part is you aren't using DPAD to move, but instead L-Stick

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I mean, that's kind of how the game works

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You can't really buffer a sort of readied attack stance

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But you can hold down right stick to charge attacks

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like the bow

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Not sure if you can do that with dpad, Attack

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But it's how it works for me when I have it as Attack, dpad

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Ooh, alright, cool

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Why tho? It's not like right stick does anything right now

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Mhm

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Yeap

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The underlying principle is that Hades reads both dpad and left stick as separate inputs

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Nope

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Irregardless, that's preference now

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Cool, never really tried it but alright

forest marsh Jul 30, 2021, 6:37 AM

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Mouse aim assist is less aggressive than controller, yes

untold vortex Jul 30, 2021, 6:37 AM

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you can also turn aim assist off completely in the options menu

inland mural Jul 30, 2021, 6:38 AM

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I've never really gone that deep, but I suppose you can look it up and see if anyone's tried it

forest marsh Jul 30, 2021, 6:40 AM

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The only non-standard control scheme (wrt the default Hades controls) that I've seen people use myself is combination controller and mouse, which gives you the movement granularity of controller with the precision of mouse aiming. That said, Hades really doesn't require highly precise aiming outside of what it offers currently to excel at the game

inland mural Jul 30, 2021, 6:44 AM

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Oh that's pretty cool

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So like a Wii nunchuk + a mouse?

forest marsh Jul 30, 2021, 6:46 AM

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I understand that you seem to take issue with the control scheme, but the horse has been dead a long time. The vast majority of players seem to make out just fine, I suggest giving it a rest

untold vortex Jul 30, 2021, 6:46 AM

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I'd like to reiterate, you can turn off aim assist

inland mural Jul 30, 2021, 6:50 AM

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Ooh, that sounds cool

forest marsh Jul 30, 2021, 6:52 AM

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Play combo mouse/gamepad ¯_(ツ)_/¯

inland mural Jul 30, 2021, 6:53 AM

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You can do bind stick to 8-way overlap directional pad and have the input as WASD

fading panther Jul 30, 2021, 7:06 AM

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Tbh, sounds like a problem that only for you. No offense, but everyone else is fine with how the controls are right now, on controllers and KBM. If you need more precision, try KBM instead controllers, or combo both

inland mural Jul 30, 2021, 7:26 AM

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So for Trials of The Gods, is there a generally-accepted list of whose environmental hazards are easiest to manage?

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Or is it up to preference?

turbid needle Jul 30, 2021, 7:26 AM

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athena is the easiest imo
she just protects enemies

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 7:27 AM

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I just pick whoever I like more. They're all perfectly manageable.

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Lady Demeter can be pretty nasty, but I'll still spite her if I like the other one more.

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Deal with it, grandma.

inland mural Jul 30, 2021, 7:28 AM

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Yeah I usually lean towards Athena, Aphrodite, and Artemis since those seem less hectic

turbid needle Jul 30, 2021, 7:28 AM

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poseidon and aphrodite used give me some trouble because their wave/heart can be hard to notice

inland mural Jul 30, 2021, 7:29 AM

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Ooh, right poseidon, the timing of the waves really throw me off

solar dawn Jul 30, 2021, 7:39 AM

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I don't pick Poseidon in Elysium cuz I'm blind and can't see his wave there

supple igloo Jul 30, 2021, 7:51 AM

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Why did they get muted oop

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 7:53 AM

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Disrupted chat and didn't follow repeated requests by mods to drop the topic.

supple igloo Jul 30, 2021, 7:54 AM

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Omg hahahaha

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"have you seen how embarrassing high heat gameplay looks because of the inaccuracy of hte controls lol"

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No way

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Thats gotta be a troll

silk hearth Jul 30, 2021, 7:55 AM

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u never know lol

supple igloo Jul 30, 2021, 7:55 AM

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Nyaanyaa really burnt back tho nice one SHEESH

silk hearth Jul 30, 2021, 7:55 AM

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its equally likely that person is being serious heh

forest marsh Jul 30, 2021, 7:55 AM

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Let's not dwell on it, please

silk hearth Jul 30, 2021, 7:56 AM

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yes

supple igloo Jul 30, 2021, 7:56 AM

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Ofc

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Sorry

proven osprey Jul 30, 2021, 8:14 AM

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supple igloo Why did they get muted oop

Dictatorship PES_SadGe

maiden haven Jul 30, 2021, 8:14 AM

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Recommendations for Demeter?

supple igloo Jul 30, 2021, 8:14 AM

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ME

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Breaching cross, explosive upper

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Long + rolling good too

maiden haven Jul 30, 2021, 8:15 AM

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Oh, Athena/Ares

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Okay, okay

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Ares on Special or on Attack?

supple igloo Jul 30, 2021, 8:15 AM

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Special and dash athena, attack ares

maiden haven Jul 30, 2021, 8:15 AM

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Ah

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Gotcha

inland mural Jul 30, 2021, 8:15 AM

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Athena dash aside, does anything hold up to its utility?

supple igloo Jul 30, 2021, 8:15 AM

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Special first bc dash doesnt count as pre req

supple igloo Jul 30, 2021, 8:16 AM

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inland mural Athena dash aside, does anything hold up to its utility?

Impending doom

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Rush delivery

inland mural Jul 30, 2021, 8:16 AM

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supple igloo Impending doom

I meant as a dash

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 8:16 AM

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maiden haven Recommendations for Demeter?

Guide by the Queen of Malphon here. 👸🏽 #h1-builds-and-combat message

supple igloo Jul 30, 2021, 8:16 AM

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inland mural I meant as a dash

No

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U have to use a different build

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If you want to not run athena dash on ME

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Or else you're handicapping yourself

inland mural Jul 30, 2021, 8:18 AM

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Gotcha, cool.

kind yew Jul 30, 2021, 8:25 AM

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What's the strat for a new save file?

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ME?

supple igloo Jul 30, 2021, 8:25 AM

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Yeah

proven osprey Jul 30, 2021, 8:30 AM

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ME is the fastest yeah

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Not needed for a clear though

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You also have access to deadly reversal

foggy prawn Jul 30, 2021, 8:38 AM

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zeus shield build? im tryna do 32 heat on it, i gave up trying with beo lmao

kind yew Jul 30, 2021, 8:39 AM

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proven osprey You also have access to deadly reversal

That's the crit chance boon?

proven osprey Jul 30, 2021, 8:40 AM

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20% crit chance for 2 seconds after deflecting yeah

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 8:40 AM

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foggy prawn zeus shield build? im tryna do 32 heat on it, i gave up trying with beo lmao

Thunder Flourish + Static Discharge, Drunken Flourish, Curse of Pain, Heartbreak Flourish, Deadly Flourish.

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All of these can be pretty good.

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Thunder Flourish probably the best start for DPS.

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Divine Flourish can be very safe.

proven osprey Jul 30, 2021, 8:41 AM

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In a perfect world you want both ME and DR

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 8:41 AM

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Explosive Return is great. And beyond that, it's mostly shield fundamentals.

proven osprey Jul 30, 2021, 8:41 AM

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Curse of agony / Divine flourish / True shot / divine dash (first boon) / ME / DR

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DR is a cool bonus, not core but nice to have

foggy prawn Jul 30, 2021, 8:42 AM

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cunning urchin Thunder Flourish + Static Discharge, Drunken Flourish, Curse of Pain, Heartbreak...

thankssss

proven osprey Jul 30, 2021, 8:42 AM

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For speedruns

foggy prawn Jul 30, 2021, 8:42 AM

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hopefully i will finally beat 32 heat with sheild haha

supple igloo Jul 30, 2021, 8:45 AM

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U got this

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 8:45 AM

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Good luck! courte5AphroHeart courte5DusaBond

foggy prawn Jul 30, 2021, 8:50 AM

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anddddd i died at aspho

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haha

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 8:51 AM

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What did you die for?

foggy prawn Jul 30, 2021, 8:52 AM

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wdym?

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 8:52 AM

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For what purpose did you die?

full beacon Jul 30, 2021, 8:53 AM

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Bruh

silk hearth Jul 30, 2021, 8:53 AM

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died to get good

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 8:53 AM

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I see. dusa

foggy prawn Jul 30, 2021, 8:53 AM

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cunning urchin For what purpose did you die?

bruh to win ofc lmao

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i just suck with shield ig

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 8:54 AM

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I don't think dying is how you win. You might want to reconsider your strategy. courte5DusaBond

silk hearth Jul 30, 2021, 8:54 AM

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dusa

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what did u lose to

full beacon Jul 30, 2021, 8:55 AM

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Acshually, dying reaps you many rewards and allows you to get stronger for the next run, which could result in a win. 🤓

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 8:55 AM

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Not winning 32 Heat doesn't mean you suck, anyway.

silk hearth Jul 30, 2021, 8:55 AM

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yes

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u only suck if u suck

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 8:55 AM

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I assume their mirror and aspect are already maxed out.

foggy prawn Jul 30, 2021, 9:01 AM

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cunning urchin I assume their mirror and aspect are already maxed out.

yeah lmao

foggy prawn Jul 30, 2021, 9:02 AM

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silk hearth what did u lose to

the gorgon miniboss, i always mess that up at mm

silk hearth Jul 30, 2021, 9:02 AM

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oh

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thats the toughest miniboss there

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battie is good for that fight

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 9:03 AM

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Unlike me. I have no mirror upgrades. squirtooh

foggy prawn Jul 30, 2021, 9:06 AM

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huh there she goes again flexing

hoary slate Jul 30, 2021, 9:08 AM

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I mean how else are you supposed to gather the Darkness to rank up?

supple igloo Jul 30, 2021, 9:16 AM

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40 malphon

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Got ME and dash in tartarus

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Garbage hammer doe

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CF0

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OH_peepoHopium

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 9:22 AM

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Nyaanyaa: Infernal Gate in Elysium? Eh, sure. What's the worst that could happen?
Superelite Chariot:
Nyaanyaa: Oh.

hoary slate Jul 30, 2021, 9:24 AM

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"What's the worst that could happpen?" Plenty of really bad stuff tbh.

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 9:24 AM

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I can handle them a lot better at this point. But Superelite Chariots with one dash lol.

hoary slate Jul 30, 2021, 9:25 AM

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Not even big Walls in Erebus.

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 9:26 AM

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Yup.

turbid needle Jul 30, 2021, 9:26 AM

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infernal gates shadedisgruntled shadegrief

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more like infuriating gates

hoary slate Jul 30, 2021, 9:26 AM

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You don't like Onions?

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shadeeyeroll

silk hearth Jul 30, 2021, 9:29 AM

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1 hp is a good heal

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could come in clutch in 50 heat :p

lucid oar Jul 30, 2021, 9:29 AM

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Onion should be buffed to bypass lasting consequences

boreal prism Jul 30, 2021, 9:31 AM

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if only you could pom "nourished soul"

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that way you could get 2hp from onions

hoary slate Jul 30, 2021, 9:32 AM

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An unpurgable uneffective Boon that eats poms. What a nightmare.

lucid oar Jul 30, 2021, 9:33 AM

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Imagine a pommable sunken treasure

hoary slate Jul 30, 2021, 9:34 AM

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That just.. can't work.

boreal prism Jul 30, 2021, 9:37 AM

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They could make it work

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Whenever you pom it, treasure comes out

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 9:38 AM

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Just let me purge it. courte5Ohno

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I had two Strikes from Master Chaos and an epic Deadly Strike and couldn't one-shot Hades's skulls.

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Deadly Strike Hestia is so sad lol.

supple igloo Jul 30, 2021, 9:45 AM

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Going into hades

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Wish me luck

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 9:45 AM

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Good luck! courte5AphroHeart courte5DusaBond

supple igloo Jul 30, 2021, 9:47 AM

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Rip

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No breaching cross

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Lost acorn to archers

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PES_SadGe

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 9:47 AM

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Ow.

supple igloo Jul 30, 2021, 9:48 AM

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Back to flurry resetting

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🥴

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 9:49 AM

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Well, win or lose, you would have returned to the House of Hades.

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So if you think about it, it saved you time.

supple igloo Jul 30, 2021, 9:49 AM

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Lol

foggy prawn Jul 30, 2021, 9:49 AM

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and now i died at dad

supple igloo Jul 30, 2021, 9:50 AM

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Wow flurry jab first try

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Maybe the world doesn't hate me

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 9:50 AM

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foggy prawn and now i died at dad

Well, win or lose, you would have returned to the House of Hades.

foggy prawn Jul 30, 2021, 9:50 AM

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nice

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 9:50 AM

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So if you think about it, it saved you time.

foggy prawn Jul 30, 2021, 9:50 AM

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cunning urchin Well, win or lose, you would have returned to the House of Hades.

true true

supple igloo Jul 30, 2021, 9:50 AM

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Oh I forgot to change my mirror

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Oh well

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Lol

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 9:50 AM

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You'll be fine. Mirrors don't matter. courte5AphroHeart courte5DusaBond

boreal prism Jul 30, 2021, 9:59 AM

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If you never spend any darkness, RI4 is free heat

inland mural Jul 30, 2021, 10:02 AM

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BigBrain

supple igloo Jul 30, 2021, 10:03 AM

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Just beat the wr

inland mural Jul 30, 2021, 10:05 AM

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???

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yo uh that's a big thing??? you beat the WR??

silk hearth Jul 30, 2021, 10:24 AM

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time to upload it to speedrun dot com lol

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 10:28 AM

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@supple igloo what WR?

supple igloo Jul 30, 2021, 10:28 AM

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No I meant as in

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To add to the point

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Lol

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Not as in I just beat the wr

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As in they may aswell beat the wr if they dont spend any darkness

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4Head

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 10:30 AM

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That's what I thought, but those two made me second-guess myself.

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So I figured I'll just ask lol.

supple igloo Jul 30, 2021, 10:30 AM

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Lol

candid belfry Jul 30, 2021, 11:43 AM

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residentzag

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heroic greater reflex + splashdash

candid belfry Jul 30, 2021, 12:21 PM

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lmao wave pounding for 20% bonus dmg

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2021, 12:32 PM

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Wave Pounding is so good.

kind yew Jul 30, 2021, 6:34 PM

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If i take double nova

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Any boons i take after will not give me knockback right?

edgy mauve Jul 30, 2021, 6:35 PM

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it just means the special itself cant knockback

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like unempowered special

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if u put knockback on it aka poseidon special itll still knockback

kind yew Jul 30, 2021, 6:37 PM

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Ah ok

gloomy viper Jul 30, 2021, 6:38 PM

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anyone have a guide or smth on what gods work best for each weapon?

edgy mauve Jul 30, 2021, 6:39 PM

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i mean what gods work best are aspect dependent for each weapon

gloomy viper Jul 30, 2021, 6:40 PM

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true i have like a general idea on which boons work best but i still dont know any specific builds and things like that

edgy mauve Jul 30, 2021, 6:41 PM

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there might be a guide but idk

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just ask for builds ig

gloomy viper Jul 30, 2021, 6:43 PM

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alr

acoustic vale Jul 30, 2021, 7:44 PM

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Question: Is double nova not just a direct upgrade for arthur? Since knocking foes back takes them OUT of the circle that you probably want them in since it slows them down?

edgy mauve Jul 30, 2021, 7:52 PM

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acoustic vale Question: Is double nova not just a direct upgrade for arthur? Since knocking fo...

enemies being in the circle doesnt really matter because arthur has beeg swings that basically oneshot everything and its not shadow slash or dedge but double nova is kind of an upgrade i guess?

sterile fiber Jul 30, 2021, 8:01 PM

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do T2 effects like jolt and rupture count towards priviledged status?

edgy mauve Jul 30, 2021, 8:02 PM

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yeah

proven osprey Jul 30, 2021, 8:29 PM

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acoustic vale Question: Is double nova not just a direct upgrade for arthur? Since knocking fo...

No need to think as far, double nova is just not good

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Arthur's special animation takes ages, you have to cancel it. Special only is tedious

languid forum Jul 30, 2021, 8:55 PM

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i never use arthur special bc of it being so slow

gloomy viper Jul 30, 2021, 9:03 PM

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what gods work best with aspect of talos fists?

lucid oar Jul 30, 2021, 9:03 PM

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Ares attack Athena special + dash and merciful end

gloomy viper Jul 30, 2021, 9:03 PM

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ok thanks

proven osprey Jul 30, 2021, 9:04 PM

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If you don't want to rely on a duo, lightning strike, static discharge, tidal dash and more Zeus/Poseidon

gloomy viper Jul 30, 2021, 9:05 PM

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yea zues seems really good with fists cuz of the attack speed

proven osprey Jul 30, 2021, 9:05 PM

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Also Artemis for support fire

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Yup

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Merciful end however is still the fastest option

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I prefer the zeus poseidon build still

gloomy viper Jul 30, 2021, 9:06 PM

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is support fire the boon that fires arrows everytime you attack cast and special?

proven osprey Jul 30, 2021, 9:06 PM

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yeah

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it's really nice on malphon

lucid oar Jul 30, 2021, 9:06 PM

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Every time your attack/special hits, and every time you cast

gloomy viper Jul 30, 2021, 9:07 PM

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yea

lucid oar Jul 30, 2021, 9:07 PM

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If it was every time your cast hit, it would be broken lol

gloomy viper Jul 30, 2021, 9:07 PM

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lol

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i might go for the zues/poseidon build cuz im trying to level up zues's keepsake rn so i might as well gofor it

proven osprey Jul 30, 2021, 9:07 PM

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yeah, you won't get a million procs on demeter's cast

gloomy viper Jul 30, 2021, 9:08 PM

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which path should i take i have athena and zues

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zeus*

lucid oar Jul 30, 2021, 9:08 PM

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What God did you end up starting with

gloomy viper Jul 30, 2021, 9:08 PM

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zeus

lucid oar Jul 30, 2021, 9:08 PM

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More Zeus is good if you have Zeus already

gloomy viper Jul 30, 2021, 9:09 PM

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alr

proven osprey Jul 30, 2021, 9:09 PM

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Phalanx shot is really good on Talos, with the bonus from the magnetism you'll deal a lot

gloomy viper Jul 30, 2021, 9:09 PM

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i just barely started my run

lucid oar Jul 30, 2021, 9:09 PM

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Yeah and lightning phalanx is also great

proven osprey Jul 30, 2021, 9:09 PM

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I'd take Athena, but Zeus is probably better in case you never see him again

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and getting jolted is more power

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zeus and more zeus is awesome

gloomy viper Jul 30, 2021, 9:10 PM

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zeus is epic with aegis

heavy verge Jul 30, 2021, 10:23 PM

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Whats a broko build for Aspect of Demeter or Gilgamesh?

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the fisties

fading nymph Jul 30, 2021, 10:24 PM

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On Dem go either Zap or ME

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Gilga probably a build based on splash dash

heavy verge Jul 30, 2021, 10:24 PM

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Zap, ME?

fading nymph Jul 30, 2021, 10:24 PM

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Zeus attack, Athena/Artemis/Aphrodite special (really just someone with a % bonus), Posiedon dash

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ME stands for Merciful End the duo boon between Athena and Ares

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You get Ares attack and Athena special and dash

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Mercifull end makes deflecting emidiately proc doom so you attack and then proc the doom with your dash for insane dps

heavy verge Jul 30, 2021, 10:26 PM

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So I want athena for attack?

fading nymph Jul 30, 2021, 10:26 PM

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Ares on attack

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your procing doom with the dash and you need Athena special because dash isn't a pre requisite for ME

heavy verge Jul 30, 2021, 10:28 PM

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ahh

balmy star Jul 30, 2021, 10:47 PM

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^^ learned that the hard way halfway past elysium wondering why i hadn't gotten ME yet lmao

sterile fiber Jul 30, 2021, 10:52 PM

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Codex is your friend

supple igloo Jul 30, 2021, 11:02 PM

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Actually, codex is my step-aunt's grand uncle's dog

rustic quarry Jul 31, 2021, 1:04 AM

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damn i just tried beowulf for the first time

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it feels awful considering how much praise it gets lol i know it's obviously the best but it feels so weird

lone jetty Jul 31, 2021, 1:21 AM

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That one rewards practice for sure

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I also thought it was horrid first time out

silk hearth Jul 31, 2021, 1:29 AM

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u gotta dash strike and load casts while bull rushing

boreal prism Jul 31, 2021, 1:44 AM

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I think it gets way stronger at higher levels

rustic quarry Jul 31, 2021, 1:46 AM

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ya i leveled mine to 4

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but it just feels so clunky and slow

fading nymph Jul 31, 2021, 2:18 AM

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It took me a bit to get used to it

acoustic vale Jul 31, 2021, 2:41 AM

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What's the "best" item from the lady in Asphodel who's name I can't remember how to spell

outer quail Jul 31, 2021, 2:41 AM

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eurydice & they're all good, depends on build

acoustic vale Jul 31, 2021, 2:43 AM

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is which boons get rarity upgraded determined when you enter the room? Because there didn't seem to be anything stopping me from quitting out of the room and rerolling them

outer quail Jul 31, 2021, 2:43 AM

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if you have only a few boons then the ambrosia delight is good for upgrading, pom porridge is good if you have the boons you want and want to lvl them, refreshing nectar great if you need rarer boons coming up

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yeah Muck does that lol

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well the upgraded boons don't change, the rng is the same if you leave but like you can quit and pick a different item

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if it lands on something you don't want

acoustic vale Jul 31, 2021, 2:45 AM

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I see

edgy mauve Jul 31, 2021, 2:46 AM

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id say that nectar is pretty much always good imo

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for hermes and that duo u might want/need

acoustic vale Jul 31, 2021, 2:47 AM

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Question: Am I the only one who despises the witches circle? Like I struggle more with them than I do the bone hydra

outer quail Jul 31, 2021, 2:48 AM

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it is the hardest miniboss for me if i don't have a good build for it

acoustic vale Jul 31, 2021, 2:48 AM

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Let me tell you, arthur with two ranks of forced overtime is NOT a good build for it

outer quail Jul 31, 2021, 2:49 AM

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yeahhh

silk hearth Jul 31, 2021, 2:50 AM

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wat

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arthur special blocks the projectiles

acoustic vale Jul 31, 2021, 2:52 AM

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Doesn't help if you can't get the special up because you're being stunlocked to death

silk hearth Jul 31, 2021, 2:52 AM

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the witches take time to spawn ._.

acoustic vale Jul 31, 2021, 2:53 AM

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Yes, but then the shield goes down and you have to set it up again

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I wish I was better with timing arthur's dash strike, because between it's already stronk hit, artemis' dash thingy, and tempest strike I'm sometimes able to 2HKO Lernie's many smaller heads. Well 3HKO because of the armor

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Thought: Does Life affirmation apply to the hp gain off nectar from Premium Vintage?

silk hearth Jul 31, 2021, 3:00 AM

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yea dash strike with the sword is the hardest weapon to DS with

silk hearth Jul 31, 2021, 3:00 AM

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acoustic vale Thought: Does Life affirmation apply to the hp gain off nectar from Premium Vint...

no i dont think so

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but dash striking with the different sword aspects is relatively similar

acoustic vale Jul 31, 2021, 3:01 AM

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silk hearth but dash striking with the different sword aspects is relatively similar

But yet whatever difference exists is enough to keep messing me up. Also there seems to be some sort of charge attack but I have no idea how to actually make it happen consistently, which would also probably help

fading nymph Jul 31, 2021, 3:01 AM

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I think it does

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Because it’s a chamber reward

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While the health from Than isn’t a chamber reward and thus isn’t effected by life affirmation

silk hearth Jul 31, 2021, 3:02 AM

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iirc the last time it was mentioned someone said it doesnt count

acoustic vale Jul 31, 2021, 3:03 AM

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I know the chamber reward thing is probably related to balance but imagine if everything that applied to chamber rewards only instead applied to everything that'd be hilarious

silk hearth Jul 31, 2021, 3:04 AM

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yea aphro would be much stronger if that were true

steel crest Jul 31, 2021, 3:30 AM

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Ok so, I kinda hate the spear based on my time using it and wonder if there's something about it I'm missing?

acoustic vale Jul 31, 2021, 3:39 AM

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I really gotta turn off these forced overtimes this is more than I reliably deal with

silk hearth Jul 31, 2021, 3:40 AM

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steel crest Ok so, I kinda hate the spear based on my time using it and wonder if there's so...

have u tried dash striking with spear

steel crest Jul 31, 2021, 3:40 AM

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Yes

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Damage is still underwhelming last I tried it

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I believe it also has a small amount of animation lock but could be mistaken

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Imo it feels sluggish to use

formal pasture Jul 31, 2021, 6:08 AM

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all my homies hate low-level Guan Yu

silk hearth Jul 31, 2021, 6:34 AM

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i only use maxed aspects :p

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 9:51 AM

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@deep lake there's an argument for taking either one, here. Poseidon first means you get to put poms on it first, and you get 3 priority boons to pick from to get the one you want.

deep lake Jul 31, 2021, 9:52 AM

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Well i got lucky

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 9:52 AM

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Lord Zeus first means he's in your pool immediately.

deep lake Jul 31, 2021, 9:52 AM

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went zeus got epic thunder dash

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then got epic posiedon special in miniboss room

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 9:52 AM

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Epic Thunder what?

deep lake Jul 31, 2021, 9:52 AM

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either the attack or the special

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wasn't gonna roll on it

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ain't worth it

silk hearth Jul 31, 2021, 9:52 AM

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thunder dash is fine

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u can now get sea storm at least

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 9:53 AM

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But... if you want Tempest Flourish with Sea Storm, why would you consider Thunder Flourish? dusa

deep lake Jul 31, 2021, 9:58 AM

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cunning urchin But... if you want Tempest Flourish with Sea Storm, why would you consider Thund...

I didn't

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that's the point

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it was the attack, the special or the dash

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i got sea storm

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it's really strong

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 9:59 AM

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Oh, you edited your message to add "dash".

deep lake Jul 31, 2021, 10:01 AM

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yeah

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my bad

arctic oyster Jul 31, 2021, 11:42 AM

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Anyone know a good build for aspect of zues

edgy mauve Jul 31, 2021, 11:42 AM

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zeus sqaured

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u yeet zeus special on zeus shield and then get a bunch more zeus

arctic oyster Jul 31, 2021, 11:44 AM

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Aight thanks

acoustic vale Jul 31, 2021, 1:28 PM

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Question: how does rupture work? If I hit the boss 3 times does it get 3 rupture or is it the same dot as hitting it once?

silk hearth Jul 31, 2021, 1:29 PM

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dont think rupture stacks

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that would be too strong

acoustic vale Jul 31, 2021, 1:30 PM

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Question 2: how does the in game run timer work? I assume it stops when the game is paused, but beyond that does it ever stop? I'd guess it would pause at the same times as tight deadline, but I'd like to know for sure

silk hearth Jul 31, 2021, 1:31 PM

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it stops during than encounter and special rooms like eury and patty and sisy

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also stops after defeating each boss and the resulting rooms before the first combat chamber

acoustic vale Jul 31, 2021, 1:33 PM

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Thank you <3

acoustic vale Jul 31, 2021, 1:59 PM

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Infernal soul or stygian soul

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 1:59 PM

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What cast are you using

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Lodging casts like infernal, non-lodging casts like stygian

acoustic vale Jul 31, 2021, 1:59 PM

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I see.

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 2:00 PM

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If you go for stygian soul, youd better pray to chaos that they give you an extra cast

cedar oak Jul 31, 2021, 2:08 PM

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trippy shot + ice wine is fun

supple igloo Jul 31, 2021, 2:11 PM

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lucid oar Lodging casts like infernal, non-lodging casts like stygian

Not really

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Lasers and blades are more consistent w infernal

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ice wine, blizzard shot and trippy are slow

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So yeah they're better w styg

acoustic vale Jul 31, 2021, 2:21 PM

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you know, it occurs to me I might not have lost all 3 death defiances to charon if I had remembered that the point of a shield is you can block.

silk hearth Jul 31, 2021, 2:23 PM

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dusa

acoustic vale Jul 31, 2021, 2:31 PM

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oh my god the card thingy also applies to touch of styx

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Me picking pulverizing blow and tempest strike and having knock back even with the downside of pulverizing blow

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 3:57 PM

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lucid oar Lodging casts like infernal, non-lodging casts like stygian

All Casts like Infernal Soul. Non-lodging Casts like Stygian Soul (if you get at least +1 ammo). I think that's more accurate. dusa

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 3:57 PM

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Yee

rugged geyser Jul 31, 2021, 8:26 PM

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Hiya

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I’m stuck on what keepsake to use

edgy mauve Jul 31, 2021, 8:27 PM

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tell me moar

rugged geyser Jul 31, 2021, 8:27 PM

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My highest heat is 7 with fists, I’ve recently started using hera bow and I’ve won 3/3 of my runs

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I Ussualy use butterfly then swap to tooth for Styx

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Before that I used egg

edgy mauve Jul 31, 2021, 8:27 PM

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so ur not going for actual builds

boreal prism Jul 31, 2021, 8:27 PM

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You don't keep the butterfly

edgy mauve Jul 31, 2021, 8:27 PM

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just letting the game give u what gods it want

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also yeah u dont keep butterfly

boreal prism Jul 31, 2021, 8:28 PM

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Butterfly effect goes away when you unequip

rugged geyser Jul 31, 2021, 8:28 PM

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Yeah Ik

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Yeah I never go for builds

edgy mauve Jul 31, 2021, 8:28 PM

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then whats the point of keeping it?

rugged geyser Jul 31, 2021, 8:28 PM

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For early game ig

edgy mauve Jul 31, 2021, 8:28 PM

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its a waste of a keepsake slot

rugged geyser Jul 31, 2021, 8:28 PM

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I want to start going for builds but idk what to use

edgy mauve Jul 31, 2021, 8:28 PM

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instead of trying to go for butterfly maybe go for builds

rugged geyser Jul 31, 2021, 8:28 PM

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Hourglass looks good

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My fave on fists is probably zeus

boreal prism Jul 31, 2021, 8:29 PM

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Classically for builds you get a god keepsake in tartarus and asphodel

rugged geyser Jul 31, 2021, 8:29 PM

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On hera bow I like Artemis for the cast

edgy mauve Jul 31, 2021, 8:29 PM

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oh god

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try crush shot

rugged geyser Jul 31, 2021, 8:29 PM

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I heard Dio is good on bow

boreal prism Jul 31, 2021, 8:29 PM

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The best styx keepsake is usually acorn, go for that

rugged geyser Jul 31, 2021, 8:30 PM

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I used to use acorn before butterfly

edgy mauve Jul 31, 2021, 8:30 PM

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uh

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see

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dio on bow takes alot of work

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and crush shot takes less work

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 8:31 PM

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If you don't know what to start with and just wanna try out different builds, start with the Coin Purse, then look at what kind of Duo Boons you can get with the gods you got in Tartarus and pick something that sounds good and take that god's keepsake into Asphodel.

boreal prism Jul 31, 2021, 8:32 PM

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Oh yeah coin purse is a good noncommital keepsake

rugged geyser Jul 31, 2021, 8:33 PM

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Also for the mirror should I take the starter money or the one that adds a % bonus

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I Ussualy only spend in final shop

turbid needle Jul 31, 2021, 8:34 PM

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i don't think i've ever not used the starter bonus, but now i'm wondering if the other is better

rugged geyser Jul 31, 2021, 8:34 PM

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I’ll try crush shot hera bow

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What keepsakes do you guys use?

turbid needle Jul 31, 2021, 8:36 PM

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if i don't want a specific god's boon i use persephone's

edgy mauve Jul 31, 2021, 8:36 PM

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i just force specific builds over and over

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ive used zeus the most due to my eris and achilles grinds

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zeus is a solid god though

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 8:37 PM

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rugged geyser I’ll try crush shot hera bow

For Hera specifically: #h1-discussion message
For Cast builds more generally: #h1-builds-and-combat message

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 8:39 PM

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turbid needle i don't think i've ever not used the starter bonus, but now i'm wondering if the...

Speedruns and high heat are all Deep Pockets and spend cash early, FWIW. If you see a boon or a pom you need in shop, you buy it. Light of Ixion? Buy it. Touch of Styx for high heat? Buy it.

rugged geyser Jul 31, 2021, 8:39 PM

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Oh I’ve never tried using fiery precense

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 8:39 PM

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But if you have no issues clearing and don't want to go for speed, Golden Touch and saving for the bounty in Styx shop can be good.

rugged geyser Jul 31, 2021, 8:40 PM

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Bounty?

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 8:41 PM

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Titan Blood for 1200 or a Diamond for 1000.

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Bounties are Titan Blood, Diamonds, and Ambrosia.

fathom lodge Jul 31, 2021, 8:41 PM

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Whay cast build is good with beowulf

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 8:42 PM

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Passion Flare, Flood Flare, and Trippy Flare.

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You'll want Infernal Soul for the first two and Trippy Flare for the latter.

fathom lodge Jul 31, 2021, 8:42 PM

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Hm, ok

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 8:42 PM

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And then mirage shot is very good

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 8:42 PM

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Beyond that, check the Cast Build Guide that I linked above.

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Mirage Shot on Beowulf does 100% damage instead of 30%.

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So it has higher priority on that than in other Cast builds.

edgy mauve Jul 31, 2021, 8:51 PM

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fathom lodge Whay cast build is good with beowulf

its a weapon built around casts

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and mirage bug

fathom lodge Jul 31, 2021, 8:51 PM

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what*

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not why

sterile fiber Jul 31, 2021, 8:52 PM

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What's the rationale for snow burst Hera? It looks like it procs when you load the cast, but shouldn't one be standing away from enemies when using the bow?

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 8:53 PM

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Doesn't matter too much where you stand if you one-shot everything.

sterile fiber Jul 31, 2021, 8:53 PM

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So you load close to the enemy and shoot?

edgy mauve Jul 31, 2021, 8:54 PM

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yeah

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 8:54 PM

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You usually just kill things with your Cast and maybe finish off some smaller enemies with Snow Burst while moving to your next target.

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Kind of.

edgy mauve Jul 31, 2021, 8:54 PM

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so u can do a very quick undershoot kill them and move on to the next enemy

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^this is optimal hera gameplay to my knowledge

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 8:54 PM

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Start with not really thinking about it, then gradually try to be a bit more deliberate with how you use Snow Burst. That works well enough.

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Like, sometimes you Snow Burst first and then finish them off with your Cast, sometimes you kill big enemies with your Casts and trash mobs with Snow Burst... there's no one "do this".

edgy mauve Jul 31, 2021, 8:55 PM

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bow at optimal play with the hammers and such is essentially a melee weapon

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 8:55 PM

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You'll notice when your Casts alone can't kill, so you might try to hit them with Snow Burst first.

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And if you notice Snow Burst can kill off an enemy type, you do that more with those and focus your Casts on other enemies.

sterile fiber Jul 31, 2021, 8:56 PM

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Same for Beowolf?

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 8:56 PM

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Yup.

rugged geyser Jul 31, 2021, 8:56 PM

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Is beowolf considered the best hidden aspect?

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 8:56 PM

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By a lot of players, yes

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It's easily the best for speedrunning, and it's definitely up there for high heat

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 8:57 PM

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Pretty much.

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Rama is up there for high heat, too.

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Excalibur is great for just winning with ease for anything up to like 32 Heat.

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 8:57 PM

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Yeah, the other 4 don't come close for either honestly

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 8:57 PM

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So the question is best for what?

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I hear from a lot of players that Beowulf feels "clunky" when they first try to learn it.

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Ease of builds is another matter. Like, if you're in this server, you either just pick up incredibly strong builds by lurking or probably by asking questions and stuff.

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But if you're on your own, it's probably another matter.

sterile fiber Jul 31, 2021, 8:59 PM

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Beowulf can overshoot which is kinda my problem with it, but thst feels more like a skill thing

royal needle Jul 31, 2021, 9:00 PM

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For me personally getting a very good build on Beo takes a while, though that might just be because I don't use it very often

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 9:05 PM

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Yeah, overshooting is you.

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Dash-Strike point-blank > charge Dragon Rush > release asap.

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Repeat.

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That should work pretty well if you practice that.

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Dragon Rush doesn't do any more damage if you charge it for longer.

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 9:07 PM

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Watch ykc's 50 heat speedrun, they are really good. For charged shot Beowulf gameplay, watch tounis

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 9:07 PM

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So the shorter your Dragon Rushes are, the more Dragon Rushes you can do, the more DPS you get.

sterile fiber Jul 31, 2021, 9:16 PM

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Mmm
what's the Rama rhythm? I've been doing Special - Attack - Special - Attack repeat, should I like, try tagging more enemies or something?

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 9:17 PM

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Yeah, kinda tag everything, then do a Dash-Strike Power Shot to kill everything.

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Pretty much.

rugged geyser Jul 31, 2021, 9:18 PM

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Crush shot keeps missing with hera

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Idk why

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 9:18 PM

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You're overshooting, probably.

rugged geyser Jul 31, 2021, 9:20 PM

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Also why crush shot on the hera

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What makes it so good?

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 9:20 PM

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Best base damage and scaling out of any lodging Cast.

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Easy access to Sweet Nectar, Heart Rend, and Smoldering Air.

sterile fiber Jul 31, 2021, 9:21 PM

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Hera's range bypasses the drawback of Crush Shot having small range

rugged geyser Jul 31, 2021, 9:23 PM

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Oh I found mine on the last chamber of elysium

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I still don’t have a dash or attack boon

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 9:24 PM

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Found what in the last chamber of Elysium?

rugged geyser Jul 31, 2021, 9:28 PM

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Crush shot

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So I could level it up

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 9:28 PM

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Yikes.

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That's way late. courte5Ohno

rugged geyser Jul 31, 2021, 9:29 PM

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Going into hades with no dash or attack boon shadegrief

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Sometimes I don’t take the attack boon early on in hopes of getting a better one later

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That screwed me over

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 9:30 PM

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The fact you kept skipping Attack, Special, and Dash boons is why you got the Cast so late.

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You want to get your Cast asap, so that you can put poms on it.

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Here, if you want to see playstyle and how to build Hera in action. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA98XrmRWjk&t=37s

YouTube

Nyaanyaa Mewmew

Hades - Hera RTA WR - 14:35.55

00:00 Previous Death
00:37 Tartarus
04:48 Asphodel
08:31 Elysium
12:11 The Temple of Styx
14:02 Hades, God of the Dead
15:12 Run End
15:36 Victory Screen

Hades on Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1145360/Hades/
Hades on Switch: https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/hades-switch/
Hades on Epic Games Store: https://www.epicgames.com/stor...

▶ Play video

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(Note, that's not WR anymore.)

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 9:36 PM

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What an excellent video.

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Do you know what the time would have been if you skipped all the dialogue?

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 9:42 PM

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Yes.

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Blasphemous.

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As if such a thing were possible.

rugged geyser Jul 31, 2021, 9:46 PM

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Ok yeah now I have a lvl 4 crush shot on Meg fight

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Looking good

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And I have the mirror that’s bonus damage on undamaged enemies and it’s super strong

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 9:47 PM

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Nice.

languid forum Jul 31, 2021, 10:04 PM

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i used to never ever skip dailogue

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dialogue*

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but now i usually do

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shadegrief

errant narwhal Jul 31, 2021, 10:05 PM

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i only skip dialogue if its repeated dialogue, but even then, not always

sterile fiber Jul 31, 2021, 10:06 PM

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if you know another supported language, you can switch to that one to check out the translation

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thereby forcing yourself to sit out the voicelines

errant narwhal Jul 31, 2021, 10:07 PM

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alas, i dont know any of the supported languages

sterile fiber Jul 31, 2021, 10:11 PM

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I might start another fresh file once Switch gets the latest patch and see how many things were fixed in Chinese LOL

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 10:19 PM

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is eternal chamber worth it on lucifer aspect
or should i grab concentrated beam

boreal prism Jul 31, 2021, 10:20 PM

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What do you have on atk?

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 10:21 PM

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i have art atk but the run just started

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 10:21 PM

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What is the third option

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 10:21 PM

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doggy

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 10:21 PM

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At least tell me what it is lol

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 10:22 PM

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piercing

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 10:22 PM

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Piercing is the best one out of those 3 imo

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 10:22 PM

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wait rlly

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 10:22 PM

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Third option is definitely best if those two are the other options.

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 10:22 PM

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Especially if you have deadly strike

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 10:23 PM

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Don't even need to hear what the third option is. Eternal Chamber and Concentrated Beam are the worst Lucifer hammers.

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Still decent because Lucifer doesn't have bad hammers.

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 10:23 PM

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guess im smooth brain

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 10:23 PM

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But every other hammer is better.

next moss Jul 31, 2021, 10:23 PM

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hmm, am i just bad at this game or is FO2 destroying me when im used to FO1

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i cant even beat tartarus now

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i should get gud 😔

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 10:25 PM

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Well, it just takes a couple frames to change a reaction from difficult to impossible.

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You'll need to really know what to look for to do FO2 comfortably.

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Or just have high DPS.

next moss Jul 31, 2021, 10:26 PM

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mhm

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i guess i could try ranged stuff to ease into it

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 10:26 PM

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If you can't rely on your reactions for everything, strategy is key.

turbid needle Jul 31, 2021, 10:26 PM

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FO1->FO2 is a bigger step than FO0->FO1 imo

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going to FO2 was a lot more noticeable for me personally

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 10:27 PM

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Is FO1 80% reduction and FO2 60% reduction? How is it calculated

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 10:27 PM

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If FO1 attacks are still all reactable for you and FO2 attacks aren't, that can certainly be true.

next moss Jul 31, 2021, 10:28 PM

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i can react to pretty much every FO1 stuff

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~~disclaimer : boat nonsense and bull charge~~

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 10:29 PM

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But there are plenty of players with pretty average reactions who can do FO2 comfortably.

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The bull charge is much more a matter of strategy than reactions.

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 10:30 PM

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will support arrows trigger off of zeus atk

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 10:30 PM

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No, just the regular attack

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And they have a cooldown anyway, it's the same as lightning bolts so 0.2s

gloomy viper Jul 31, 2021, 10:33 PM

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prologue reached mega pog

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 10:50 PM

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what are the best boons for lucifer

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 10:51 PM

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Lightning strike + static discharge is very good. Tidal dash is always good, divine dash for the safety. Support fire as well

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And deadly/heartbreak flourish especially if you have triple bomb can be really powerful

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 10:52 PM

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Divine Flourish is also amazing for the Deflect.

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 10:52 PM

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what about hammers

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 10:52 PM

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Nyaanyaa has a tierlist, she'll probably post that

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But basically triple bomb > everything else

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 10:53 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/bLyCD6q.png

Imgur

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Yeah.

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 10:54 PM

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oki

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thnx

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what keepsake should i start lol

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 10:54 PM

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Honestly, there should be a tier between S and A that's just empty.

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Because Triple Bomb is so much better than the others.

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 10:55 PM

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worthy dagger what keepsake should i start lol

Whatever you want on the attack. That's usually Zeus, but you can do whatever

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Early Zeus is good for early jolted

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 10:55 PM

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i was thinking that too

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oh i got an early hammer

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 10:56 PM

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I've also had good results from starting tidal dash, but they were more fun runs rather than serious runs

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 10:56 PM

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Heartbreak Strike gives you the best boss damage from your Attack, Lightning Strike gives you best room clear.

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 10:56 PM

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woo hoo i got triple bomb

gloomy viper Jul 31, 2021, 10:56 PM

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anyone know a build for aspect of arthur?

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 10:57 PM

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so wait i have a choice between zeus and athena

boreal prism Jul 31, 2021, 10:57 PM

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One reason triple bomb is good is because launching a 4th bomb will detonate your first bomb

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So keep that in mind

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 10:57 PM

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Get Lightning Strike before anything else.

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 10:58 PM

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boreal prism One reason triple bomb is good is because launching a 4th bomb will detonate you...

that is a true

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 11:00 PM

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gloomy viper anyone know a build for aspect of arthur?

Heartbreak Strike, then look for Divine Dash, Zeus' Aid, and Smoldering Air.

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 11:00 PM

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if i happen to get poms should i be maxing my lightning strike

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 11:01 PM

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If you have jolted, put the poms into that

gloomy viper Jul 31, 2021, 11:01 PM

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cunning urchin Heartbreak Strike, then look for Divine Dash, Zeus' Aid, and Smoldering Air.

alrighty thanks

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 11:01 PM

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i have pressure points

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is that any good

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to use poms on

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 11:01 PM

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Not really

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 11:02 PM

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so use it on lightning strike ?

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 11:02 PM

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Sure

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 11:02 PM

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okok

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 11:02 PM

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It's not that big of a deal if you've only got those 2 boons honestly

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 11:02 PM

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If you can't get Divine Dash, Drunken Dash is great for building god gauge fast.

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 11:02 PM

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You're gonna get a bit of extra damage either way

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2021, 11:03 PM

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Thunder Dash to unlock Smoldering Air and getting any other good Call is also great, but you'll really want to look for Static Discharge if you go for that because Thunder Dash itself does like no damage.

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Stacking dodge chance, damage reduction, and more HP is always great on Excalibur because you already start with all that damage reduction from Hallowed Ground and +50 HP. So any dodge chance and damage reduction you pick up gets a lot of value.

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Also why Weak is so amazing on it.

boreal prism Jul 31, 2021, 11:10 PM

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Plume Excalibur meta

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 11:10 PM

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deadly flourish > support arrows right

boreal prism Jul 31, 2021, 11:11 PM

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Those are both strong, I'm not sure

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 11:11 PM

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If you have triple bomb, yes

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Both really good

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 11:12 PM

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early triple bomb be like 😎

solar dawn Jul 31, 2021, 11:12 PM

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Support fire is cooler!

gloomy viper Jul 31, 2021, 11:12 PM

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oml

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i hate my life

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i got heartbreak strike and also unhealthy fixation but i need heartbreak strike so which should i take

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heartbreak strike is epic btw

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 11:13 PM

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What weapon?

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 11:13 PM

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when im fighting bosses is my atk or special going to be my main dmg ?

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 11:13 PM

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With triple bomb, special. It shreds bosses

gloomy viper Jul 31, 2021, 11:13 PM

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lucid oar What weapon?

aspect of arthur sword

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 11:13 PM

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Yeah take heartbreak strike

gloomy viper Jul 31, 2021, 11:13 PM

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alrighty

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 11:23 PM

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should i purge trippy shot for the 140

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155*

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 11:24 PM

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Are you short of money? Lucifer isn't really a cast aspect, so you wouldn't really be losing much unless you have scintillating feast or something

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 11:24 PM

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nope im in elysium and i have like 900 rocks

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jeff bezos of hades

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 11:24 PM

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CEO entrepreneur

strange lark Jul 31, 2021, 11:25 PM

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Nice

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 11:25 PM

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should i keep it for the chance of getting scintillating feast

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lol

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 11:25 PM

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Go for it, it's a lot of fun lol

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 11:25 PM

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i need jolt right

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 11:25 PM

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Yep

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 11:26 PM

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oga

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 11:26 PM

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It's very good

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 11:26 PM

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should i fight charon for 300 rocks

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LOL

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 11:26 PM

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Well, do you want to die?

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 11:26 PM

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hes actually so hard to fight idfky

lucid oar Jul 31, 2021, 11:26 PM

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You are clearly not short of cash, and you're already in elysium

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 11:28 PM

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greatest reflex special speed or atk speed

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i feel like special speed is the better option

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since triple shot, no ?

edgy mauve Jul 31, 2021, 11:28 PM

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how many dashes is it giving u?

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 11:28 PM

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1

edgy mauve Jul 31, 2021, 11:28 PM

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and what dash do u have?

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 11:28 PM

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tidal

edgy mauve Jul 31, 2021, 11:29 PM

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so if it was +2 or more dashes u 100% take those dashes but since its not just take special speed

worthy dagger Jul 31, 2021, 11:29 PM

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poggers

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ty

sterile fiber Aug 1, 2021, 12:25 AM

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cVdy_XLcHHzbJsIG_OX6vUlr8eTlcLuw32FXq-gx1jc/edit#gid=0
for this Pom and Rarity Scaling spreadsheet, what does PomValue and PomDecay mean
is it like: value after nth pom = base value + ( base value * PomValue * PomDecay^(n-1) )

wary crypt Aug 1, 2021, 12:35 AM

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anyone know if dio atk is good with the fists

maiden haven Aug 1, 2021, 12:35 AM

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Not really, no.
It builds up 5 stacks really fast, but then what?

sterile fiber Aug 1, 2021, 12:36 AM

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it's like, okay but nothing amazing

wary crypt Aug 1, 2021, 12:36 AM

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yeah true i forgot to reroll the chamber so im stuck with dio

maiden haven Aug 1, 2021, 12:36 AM

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For Fists, better off getting Zeus or Ares or something like that

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It can work though, if you can get the boons that boost Hangover (Numbing Sensation, Bad Influence, Curse of Nausea, Black Out)

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If you're stuck with it, might as well make the most of it, yeah?

wary crypt Aug 1, 2021, 12:37 AM

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what about trippy shot, should i take that instead?

maiden haven Aug 1, 2021, 12:38 AM

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Trippy Shot is always a good pick

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Good damage, and stuns enemies

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Just have to lead targets

candid belfry Aug 1, 2021, 4:32 AM

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i pretty much never take it ever

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since youre losing 50% passive damage

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on any cast that doesnt lodge

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and that one is particularly slow

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 4:34 AM

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Trippy Shot is great. #1 pick if you have Hangover as a primary damage source, too.

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Boiling Blood only applies to your Attack and Special base damage, anyway.

candid belfry Aug 1, 2021, 4:35 AM

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pretty much full dio builds are what its for yep. if you can get the arty duo with crit chance especially

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for full cast builds its probably one of the best ones

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 4:36 AM

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No, I mean it's great on its own and amazing if you have Hangover because you unlock Black Out.

candid belfry Aug 1, 2021, 4:37 AM

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if you never use attack or special its good 😔

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 4:37 AM

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Easily the best Cast for RI3+, too.

candid belfry Aug 1, 2021, 4:37 AM

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for alot of builds

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it cripples your damage

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and should be actively avoided

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 4:37 AM

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It doesn't.

candid belfry Aug 1, 2021, 4:38 AM

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non lodge builds need to be pretty deliberate

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and lean into cast dps

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 4:38 AM

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Trippy Shot damage is amazing.

candid belfry Aug 1, 2021, 4:38 AM

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not passive 50% on all your attack and special amazing

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 4:38 AM

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And the stun is amazing.

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You're overrating Boiling Blood.

fading nymph Aug 1, 2021, 4:38 AM

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if your main damage source isn't getting buffed by boiling blood then its perfectly fine

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like hangover, lightning, doom etc

candid belfry Aug 1, 2021, 4:41 AM

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im just saying theres quite a few builds it actively makes worse and lowers your dps

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most builds in fact, unless you have a very cast aspect leaning playstyle

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 4:41 AM

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And m saying you're wrong.

candid belfry Aug 1, 2021, 4:41 AM

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so its weird to so universally recomend it as something amazing

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its something you need to heavily consider and build around

edgy mauve Aug 1, 2021, 4:42 AM

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trippy shot is p good on its own

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the damage is good

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and u dont need to fix ur build around it

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although its a plus if its a hangover build for blackout

silk hearth Aug 1, 2021, 4:50 AM

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i dont take casts usually

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unless i get offered them with nothing else thats better

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 4:54 AM

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The pom scaling is insane even after nerfs. The only Duo Boons it unlocks add even more DPS. You're practically never hurting your build picking it up. Hestia, Excalibur, Zag Bow, and maybe Rama might potentially lose some DPS, but probably not because the stun makes up for it by letting you play more aggressive. Pretty much every other high DPS build doesn't care very much for Boiling Blood because DPS comes from flat damage somewhere.

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Doom, Lightning, Tidal Dash...

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Like, sure you'll apply it, but Trippy Shot does big damage in an AOE.

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Maybe Nemesis Heart Rend build, but that benefits a lot from the stun.

sterile fiber Aug 1, 2021, 5:01 AM

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How reliable is it to take Infernal Soul + Overflowing Cup to get Trippy Shot, then swapping to Lament Plume in Asphodel to roll for the Hermes Legendary that returns casts to you, to basically get infinite casts

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it's worked 2/2 times I tried but might have fluked the luck

silk hearth Aug 1, 2021, 5:01 AM

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not reliable

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plume does not give u extra chance

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 5:02 AM

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It just unlocks it, yeah.

fading nymph Aug 1, 2021, 5:02 AM

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plume is a prerec is it not

sterile fiber Aug 1, 2021, 5:02 AM

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It removes the need for prereq

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 5:02 AM

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Yes.

sterile fiber Aug 1, 2021, 5:02 AM

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Plume or Quick Reload. I think.

silk hearth Aug 1, 2021, 5:02 AM

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oh

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sounds better then

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im not sure if its viable though

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 5:03 AM

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You shouldn't need that for Trippy Shot. You're better off going for Hyper Sprint + Rush Delivery for damage.

sterile fiber Aug 1, 2021, 5:04 AM

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Is Infernal Soul ok for trippy shot? I know people say Stygian is better but picking the casts up isn't that annoying ifeel

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 5:04 AM

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Yes, Infernal Soul is good for all Casts.

sterile fiber Aug 1, 2021, 5:04 AM

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Since unlike Crystal Beam, you usually want to go where the cast lands

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 5:05 AM

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Stygian Soul requires getting extra ammo in your run to make it decent.

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Stygian Soul with only 1 ammo sucks.

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In Cast builds.

sterile fiber Aug 1, 2021, 5:05 AM

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yeah it was such a pain

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 5:08 AM

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Lol whose idea was it to put 3 Soul Catchers in one Erebus chamber + 4+ Elite Strongbows + 1 Superelite Inferno-Bomber.

sterile fiber Aug 1, 2021, 5:09 AM

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dad....?

silk hearth Aug 1, 2021, 5:17 AM

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taking erebus in elysium is asking to get punished dusa

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 5:23 AM

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silk hearth taking erebus in elysium is asking to get punished <:dusa:522248771409543188>

I've committed to entering every Infernal Gate I see. courte5AphroHeart courte5DusaBond

boreal prism Aug 1, 2021, 5:30 AM

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did you get the reward?

broken burrow Aug 1, 2021, 5:42 AM

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Heya

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Anyone in here actively?

edgy mauve Aug 1, 2021, 5:42 AM

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me

broken burrow Aug 1, 2021, 5:42 AM

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Excellent

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I got

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6 titan blood

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I have Arthur and Beowulf level 1

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Just grabbed Lucifer level 1

edgy mauve Aug 1, 2021, 5:43 AM

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nice nice

broken burrow Aug 1, 2021, 5:43 AM

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Is it worth investing in enkidu and guan yu which I have available or saving the blood

edgy mauve Aug 1, 2021, 5:43 AM

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gilgamesh is just flat out terrible

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guan yu is ok

broken burrow Aug 1, 2021, 5:43 AM

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Sad haha

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Even with like

edgy mauve Aug 1, 2021, 5:43 AM

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do u like the spear or fists?

broken burrow Aug 1, 2021, 5:44 AM

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Full poseidon buffs on it?

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Fists seem easier than spear but

edgy mauve Aug 1, 2021, 5:44 AM

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if ur gonna play gilgamesh just do dash%

broken burrow Aug 1, 2021, 5:44 AM

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Spear makes me think more

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Like aspect of Hades was tight af

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OK fair yeah

silk hearth Aug 1, 2021, 5:44 AM

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guan yu is not okay

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its the best spear aspect isnt it

edgy mauve Aug 1, 2021, 5:44 AM

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no

broken burrow Aug 1, 2021, 5:44 AM

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It looks like a psycho version of the sword lifesteal upgrade

edgy mauve Aug 1, 2021, 5:45 AM

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its definitely not the best spear aspect LOL

silk hearth Aug 1, 2021, 5:45 AM

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oh i forgot about achilles

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flurry jab smh

edgy mauve Aug 1, 2021, 5:45 AM

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lul

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even then

broken burrow Aug 1, 2021, 5:46 AM

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What you go with?

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I wanna try water gun Lucifer rail

edgy mauve Aug 1, 2021, 5:47 AM

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supersoaker

boreal prism Aug 1, 2021, 5:47 AM

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Pos lucifer is cool

edgy mauve Aug 1, 2021, 5:47 AM

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its an actual thing

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so

broken burrow Aug 1, 2021, 5:47 AM

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My current mo is try to get tempest strike, then try to find a rare or epic Demeter grace with whatever other buffs I've got

edgy mauve Aug 1, 2021, 5:47 AM

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u want sea storm

boreal prism Aug 1, 2021, 5:47 AM

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Lucifer is really flexible in my experience

broken burrow Aug 1, 2021, 5:47 AM

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Ye

edgy mauve Aug 1, 2021, 5:47 AM

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if ur doing supersoaker u want sea storm plus a bunch of poseidon and zeus

broken burrow Aug 1, 2021, 5:47 AM

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Ye

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I normally go Athena dash but ideally full poseidon set would be best

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Idk the q as a chill or lightning would be good

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Still trying to completely fill my mirror. Only got a few of the bottom buffs to go

edgy mauve Aug 1, 2021, 5:48 AM

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ah

broken burrow Aug 1, 2021, 5:49 AM

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Gotdamn it's a good game tho

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I thought I got hooked on dead cells

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Nuh uh

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 5:50 AM

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boreal prism did you get the reward?

Funny that you even ask when there were 3 Soulcatchers.

boreal prism Aug 1, 2021, 5:54 AM

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i duno maybe there's a trick to soulcatchers that I missed

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 5:54 AM

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Same.

acoustic vale Aug 1, 2021, 6:02 AM

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Just get good it's not that hard /s

rugged geyser Aug 1, 2021, 8:32 AM

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https://youtu.be/qA98XrmRWjk

YouTube

Nyaanyaa Mewmew

Hades - Hera RTA WR - 14:35.55

00:00 Previous Death
00:37 Tartarus
04:48 Asphodel
08:31 Elysium
12:11 The Temple of Styx
14:02 Hades, God of the Dead
15:12 Run End
15:36 Victory Screen

Hades on Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1145360/Hades/
Hades on Switch: https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/hades-switch/
Hades on Epic Games Store: https://www.epicgames.com/stor...

▶ Play video

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So I watched this and In tartarus they went for the shop over the athena boon even though they just visited the shop a few chambers ago

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And they somehow got Artemis boon

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Did they somehow know that Artemis would be in the shop?

untold vortex Aug 1, 2021, 8:33 AM

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@cunning urchin is in the server and can probably answer that question friendly

rugged geyser Aug 1, 2021, 8:34 AM

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At 3:35 minutes in

untold vortex Aug 1, 2021, 8:38 AM

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my guess is she went for shop instead because Athena boons are nice but don't do much to advance the build in terms of dps

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whereas the shop could have boons (could not have too) that helped her build in terms of dps

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in this case, it was artemis with Heart Rend offered

rugged geyser Aug 1, 2021, 8:52 AM

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Just got a new record with hera bow

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22 min

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Also what hammers do you suggest with hera bow? All my runs with it so far has explosive shot

turbid needle Aug 1, 2021, 8:57 AM

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twin shot is always good

lucid oar Aug 1, 2021, 9:25 AM

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Flurry and triple are the best, twin is good as well

raw blade Aug 1, 2021, 9:43 AM

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flurry with hera?

lucid oar Aug 1, 2021, 9:45 AM

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Yes, it's really good

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Allows instant full range casts

raw blade Aug 1, 2021, 9:45 AM

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hmm

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guess i'll try it sometime

rugged geyser Aug 1, 2021, 10:30 AM

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What shield aspect should I invest in?

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Atm I only unlocked Zeus aspect

solid sable Aug 1, 2021, 11:04 AM

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rugged geyser So I watched this and In tartarus they went for the shop over the athena boon ev...

I always go for shop because time

lucid oar Aug 1, 2021, 11:09 AM

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If you've already seen midshop in a biome, the other chamber that is offered alongside shop will always be a free room

silk hearth Aug 1, 2021, 11:44 AM

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there are times where u r only offered endshop too right

lucid oar Aug 1, 2021, 11:46 AM

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Yes

arctic oyster Aug 1, 2021, 11:59 AM

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Does anyone know any builds for aspect of zues

lucid oar Aug 1, 2021, 12:01 PM

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Put Zeus on the special and just get more Zeus

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Static discharge, double strike and splitting bolt are all great

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And explosive return/charged shot are the best hammers

turbid needle Aug 1, 2021, 12:02 PM

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charged shot my beloved dusaHeart

rugged geyser Aug 1, 2021, 12:44 PM

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Best dash for hera?

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I Ussualy go for Athena

lucid oar Aug 1, 2021, 12:45 PM

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Athena is good for safety, tidal dash is good for AOE and enabling mirage shot, but it's not that big of a deal since most of the damage is coming from you're casts

rugged geyser Aug 1, 2021, 12:48 PM

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Yeah I need to focus on trying to get mirage shot

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And I still haven’t managed to get snow burst on it

turbid needle Aug 1, 2021, 12:53 PM

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what builds do you guys like for chaos shield? i've only ever used it once i think

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 12:56 PM

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@rugged geyser are you taking the Frostbitten Horn into Asphodel? You'll want to do that pretty much every time.

rugged geyser Aug 1, 2021, 12:56 PM

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I did take it

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 12:56 PM

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And use Fated Persuasion rerolls to get Snow Burst, if necessary.

rugged geyser Aug 1, 2021, 12:57 PM

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I rerolled twice on my Demeter

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Abs I bought Demeter in Styx and didn’t get it

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How would I utilize snow burst in the build?

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 12:58 PM

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And get familiar with her boon tree. Taking any boons that unlock more boons in her boon tree will make it much harder to get Snow Burst the next time you pick up a boon from her.

lucid oar Aug 1, 2021, 12:58 PM

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turbid needle what builds do you guys like for chaos shield? i've only ever used it once i thi...

I don't really like chaos shield tbh, but it follows pretty much the exact same build as Zeus shield

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 1:00 PM

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rugged geyser How would I utilize snow burst in the build?

Read down a bit from here. #h1-builds-and-combat message

rugged geyser Aug 1, 2021, 1:01 PM

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Ah makes sense then

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Didn’t know it activated when you load

kind yew Aug 1, 2021, 1:02 PM

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Just did a run with Aphrodite cast and snow burst

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People just melted lol

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 1:05 PM

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rugged geyser Did they somehow know that Artemis would be in the shop?

First of all, Lady Athena doesn't have anything meaningful to offer me that gives me DPS. I'd rather skip her and look for something else.

Second, any WR pace has good luck like that Lady Artemis boon in the shop. The run has a lot of luck with free rooms in all the regions and stuff, too. If I hadn't been lucky with all of those things in the run, it wouldn't have been WR at the time.

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I also reset the run if Tartarus isn't working out very well, anyway. That's typical in speedruns if you want competitive times.

lucid oar Aug 1, 2021, 1:08 PM

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I thought you never reset runs? thanthink

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 1:13 PM

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I tend to just play it out at high heat.

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And I find resets boring, so you don't see me do a lot of speedruns.

lucid oar Aug 1, 2021, 1:16 PM

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I'm looking forward to the modded boards

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Fewer resets = more fun

raw blade Aug 1, 2021, 1:17 PM

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you don't see me do a lot of speedruns
PB - 7 mins 53 secs

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 1:17 PM

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You'll probably just reset for other things if you want WR pace. But your times will be a lot more consistent.

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No, my IGT PB is 7:42 in vanilla and 7:00 in modded.

lucid oar Aug 1, 2021, 1:19 PM

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I'll basically know by the start of chamber 34 if the run is good or not

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 1:20 PM

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And I got the 7:42 in like a couple days of actually going for Hera speedruns, and the RTA WR at the time, too.

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I can get sub 7s if I wanted to reset that much, but I don't feel like doing that.

rugged geyser Aug 1, 2021, 4:25 PM

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Is Zeus any good on hera?

edgy mauve Aug 1, 2021, 4:25 PM

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no

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not really

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only reason you'd really want zeus is for smoldering but hera can do without that and just take dad call

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 4:32 PM

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I won't avoid getting him into my god pool if I see him on Hera.

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Smoldering Air is well worth it.

rugged geyser Aug 1, 2021, 4:34 PM

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Does blown kiss make a difference on hera, cause won’t the arrows hit before the cast making the bonus damage useless?

edgy mauve Aug 1, 2021, 4:34 PM

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undershooting

kind yew Aug 1, 2021, 4:35 PM

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Artemis is offering me a duo with zeus

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If I don't take it

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I still got a chance to get heart rend correct?

edgy mauve Aug 1, 2021, 4:36 PM

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yeah

kind yew Aug 1, 2021, 4:36 PM

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Ok

edgy mauve Aug 1, 2021, 4:36 PM

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why wouldnt u?

turbid needle Aug 1, 2021, 4:36 PM

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if you take it you increase your chance of heartrend

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 4:37 PM

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rugged geyser Does blown kiss make a difference on hera, cause won’t the arrows hit before the...

It gives your Casts way better AOE, so you'll hit more enemies, and not all of them were hit by your Attack before the Casts hit.

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The AOE alone makes it great already.

rugged geyser Aug 1, 2021, 5:15 PM

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Any tips for hera dio cast?

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I’ve gotten his cast, snow burst and heartbreak strike

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What else should I look for?

lucid oar Aug 1, 2021, 5:15 PM

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Mirage shot

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Because it's bugged on all flares to be 100% damage instead of 30%

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However it does require 2 gods that aren't currently in your pool, which is problematic

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 5:20 PM

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@rugged geyser where are you at now, and are those three your only boons? Are you using Infernal Soul or Stygian Soul?

rugged geyser Aug 1, 2021, 5:20 PM

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I just beat fury sisters

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I can change my keepsake

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Infernal soul

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I never tried stygian

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 5:21 PM

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Can you share a screenshot of the Well first?

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You'll want Stygian Soul for Trippy Flare, but it's fine now.

rugged geyser Aug 1, 2021, 5:22 PM

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Oh my switch died :(

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But what should I look for in the well?

turbid needle Aug 1, 2021, 5:23 PM

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scint feast can be really nice and you dont nee to force 2 gods for it

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 5:23 PM

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Easier for me to say if I see what's on offer and how much money you have tbh.

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If there's a Light of Ixion that you can afford, take Cosmic Egg.

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If there's +1 ammo or Cast damage (or both) that you can afford, take the Hourglass.

edgy mauve Aug 1, 2021, 5:24 PM

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OR

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if u get the best well known the humankind

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u get +1 cast cast damage and ixion in a well

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 5:25 PM

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Otherwise, take Thunder Signet for Zeus' Aid to unlock Smoldering Air and Scintillating Feast.

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 5:26 PM

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edgy mauve if u get the best well known the humankind

I thought the best is one I can throw you into that you can't get out of. courte5AphroHeart courte5DusaBond

strange lark Aug 1, 2021, 5:27 PM

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dusa

edgy mauve Aug 1, 2021, 5:27 PM

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cunning urchin I thought the best is one I can throw you into that you can't get out of. <:cour...

;-;

rugged geyser Aug 1, 2021, 5:27 PM

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Ooh never tried smoldering air

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Does it require Zeus call?

edgy mauve Aug 1, 2021, 5:28 PM

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no

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it just requires any call

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a aphro prereq and a zeus prereq

strange lark Aug 1, 2021, 5:28 PM

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Except for dad call

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 5:29 PM

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Yeah. And Zeus' Aid covers both the call requirement and the core boon requirement.

lucid oar Aug 1, 2021, 5:29 PM

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And it's probably the best call for smoldering air anyway

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For DPS

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 5:29 PM

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Yup.

acoustic vale Aug 1, 2021, 5:29 PM

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just win

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 5:30 PM

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Although it's hard to beat the DPS you get from charming Asterius or King Theseus at the right times with Aphrodite's Aid.

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King Theseus absolutely murders Asterius if you charm him during his Call lol.

edgy mauve Aug 1, 2021, 5:31 PM

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hey

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u know that tag team move

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 5:31 PM

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The initial Call after he phases.

edgy mauve Aug 1, 2021, 5:31 PM

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where asterius just rams into theseus and creates a shockwave

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with a charm would that just blast theseus?

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 5:32 PM

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Don't think so.

edgy mauve Aug 1, 2021, 5:32 PM

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PES_SadGe

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 5:33 PM

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I've used Charm in the fight probably more than anyone and m still figuring out things lol.

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It's not always intuitive.

kind yew Aug 1, 2021, 5:44 PM

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turbid needle if you take it you increase your chance of heartrend

Oh i thought duo boons with a specific god can only be offered once

acoustic vale Aug 1, 2021, 5:46 PM

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Nah. They're just rare af

turbid needle Aug 1, 2021, 5:48 PM

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you can get several ones yes

languid forum Aug 1, 2021, 6:02 PM

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does anyone know the rates for a legendary boon?

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or just the rates in general

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 6:03 PM

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Base rate per roll is 12% for normal boons and 10% for high rarity boons (like from minibosses).

lucid oar Aug 1, 2021, 6:04 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/llznpb/a_mostly_complete_guide_to_boon_choices_and/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share here's a good guide for everything on that topic

r/HadesTheGame - A Mostly Complete Guide to Boon Choices and Rariti...

163 votes and 39 comments so far on Reddit

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2021, 6:05 PM

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lucid oar https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/llznpb/a_mostly_complete_guide_to...

Incorrectly lists Call as a priority boon, tough.

lucid oar Aug 1, 2021, 6:05 PM

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*good guide for everything except that.

languid forum Aug 1, 2021, 6:24 PM

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ty

rugged geyser Aug 1, 2021, 7:03 PM

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Is mirage shot bugged on hera the same way it is on beowolf?

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When the mirage cast does 100% damage

strange lark Aug 1, 2021, 7:04 PM

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mirage shot is bugged with flares

rugged geyser Aug 1, 2021, 7:04 PM

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Flares?

strange lark Aug 1, 2021, 7:04 PM

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unique casts that are used on beowulf

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and hera also uses trippy flare so when you use dio cast on hera it will deal 100% extra damage

rugged geyser Aug 1, 2021, 7:07 PM

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I want to unlock beowolf, the damage looks insane

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But that means using shield :(

strange lark Aug 1, 2021, 7:07 PM

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shield good

rugged geyser Aug 1, 2021, 7:08 PM

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I find it boring

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I can’t do insane dps with it(that I know of)

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I might upgrade Zeus tho

sterile fiber Aug 1, 2021, 7:28 PM

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Beowolf has really high DPS

sterile fiber Aug 1, 2021, 7:29 PM

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cunning urchin Dash-Strike point-blank > charge Dragon Rush > release asap.

linking Beowulf convo

edgy mauve Aug 1, 2021, 8:14 PM

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rugged geyser Is mirage shot bugged on hera the same way it is on beowolf?

no

rugged geyser Aug 1, 2021, 9:10 PM

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Yeah I’ll try to use Zeus as I look for the upgrade

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I feel chaos will make it take a while

rugged geyser Aug 1, 2021, 9:52 PM

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Zeus shield build?

edgy mauve Aug 1, 2021, 9:53 PM

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zeus sqaured

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zeus special with a bunch of more zeus

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like double strike jolted and splitting bolt

strange lark Aug 1, 2021, 9:53 PM

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You can also get aphro attack and zeus call for smoldering air

gloomy viper Aug 2, 2021, 1:26 AM

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heroic trippy shot or epic positive outlook? its for the final battle against hades

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i got the sack in the final room lmao

strange lark Aug 2, 2021, 1:27 AM

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Aspect?

gloomy viper Aug 2, 2021, 1:29 AM

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aspect of hades spear

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i think thats the one where you have the punishing sweep

strange lark Aug 2, 2021, 1:31 AM

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Idk positive outlook I guess

gloomy viper Aug 2, 2021, 1:31 AM

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alr lol

strange lark Aug 2, 2021, 1:31 AM

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You should keep boiling blood if most of your damage comes from your attack/special

gloomy viper Aug 2, 2021, 1:32 AM

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yea im running boiling blood rn

acoustic vale Aug 2, 2021, 3:29 AM

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So I'm doing an EM4 10 heat thingy rn. First room: Epic level divine dash. Second Room: Don't remember, not a boon though. Third Room, epic level curse of agony. The RNG is very good so far

raw blade Aug 2, 2021, 3:38 AM

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em4 at 10 heat?

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aight imma head out

acoustic vale Aug 2, 2021, 3:59 AM

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I see now why people like merciful end so much

sterile fiber Aug 2, 2021, 4:04 AM

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it's free real damage

acoustic vale Aug 2, 2021, 5:11 AM

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Olympian favor or dark foresight?

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2021, 5:12 AM

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Dark Foresight is way stronger.

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It changes the odds for gold vs blue laurel rewards from 50/50 to 70/30.

acoustic vale Aug 2, 2021, 5:13 AM

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cunning urchin It changes the odds for gold vs blue laurel rewards from 50/50 to 70/30.

I don't actually know what that means

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2021, 5:14 AM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/hades_room_rewards_guide.png?width=843&height=514

boreal prism Aug 2, 2021, 5:14 AM

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some rewards make your run stronger, and some rewards you can spend back at the house

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dark foresight makes it so you get more rewards that make your run stronger

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and therefore less of the other one

rugged geyser Aug 2, 2021, 8:31 AM

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I feel if I use dark foresight I should swap healing from darkness to healing every new chamber

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2021, 8:31 AM

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Yeah.

lucid oar Aug 2, 2021, 8:31 AM

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Yes that's generally a good idea because fountains + darkness rewards become overkill

rugged geyser Aug 2, 2021, 9:01 AM

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What aspects can provide the most consistent high damage?

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So far Ik of Eris and beo

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2021, 9:01 AM

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Hera is up there.

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Hestia.

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Achilles Cast builds are very consistently fast.

rugged geyser Aug 2, 2021, 9:05 AM

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Oh when you use hestia how should you change your playstyle?

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Do you want to spam reload?

lucid oar Aug 2, 2021, 9:05 AM

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Yes

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Put a % god on attack

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You can special after every second reload, and if you dash after you reload, you won't be stuck in the reloading animation

rugged geyser Aug 2, 2021, 9:06 AM

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And for Achilles do you just want to activate your bonus damage then spam casts?

lucid oar Aug 2, 2021, 9:07 AM

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Yes

rugged geyser Aug 2, 2021, 9:07 AM

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Ooh i didn’t know you could skip reload

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Do you just press reload then dash right after?

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2021, 9:08 AM

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Note that you can reload virtually immediately after you press Attack.

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You can Dash or Special or Cast at the same time you press Reload.

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You can even aim your Special and just reload while you're holding your Special button down.

rugged geyser Aug 2, 2021, 10:48 AM

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Is there any good Demeter / ares cast builds?

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I find Demeter so awkward to use

edgy mauve Aug 2, 2021, 10:48 AM

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crystal clarity/hunting blades

rugged geyser Aug 2, 2021, 10:49 AM

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What casts require the mirror that auto generates new casts?

edgy mauve Aug 2, 2021, 10:50 AM

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uh