h1-builds-and-combat

[lucid oar]

To me the damage feels flat unless you get concentrated volley. It's not as much of an issue if you go with Dio special, but still

[cunning urchin]

Only bad Chiron hammer is Sniping Shot.

Hmm. And Explosive tbh.

But the fact that all the Special and Attack hammers otherwise are actually really good is great and rare.

[worn meadow]

Guys the Demeter skill

That adds 2+ seconds and chill to the beam

Does that transfer to other casts if they are somehow swapped

Like 5 second chilling hunting blades?

[nimble plank]

i don't think you are able to swap cast after that boon...

but it would be an interesting interaction.

[worn meadow]

Not the duo the regular beam upgrade

[nimble plank]

or the boon would not work, no clue tbh.

[cunning urchin]

It's not a Duo Boon, and you can switch Casts, but it only affects Crystal Beam.

[worn meadow]

Okeii

[dense lion]

Okay guys

Should I take the re-roll hammer? I have twin shot and flurry shot on Hera bow

With Aphro cast

[turbid needle]

i wouldnt

[dense lion]

Yeah, I'd like to swap out twin shot (cause I'm digging flurry)

[lucid oar]

Twin is good

[cunning urchin]

The only combo possibly better than Twin Flurry on Hera is Triple Flurry.

And m not entirely sure which one is better.

[dense lion]

So I really lucked out then huh?

[lucid oar]

What if you rerolled and got relentless volley and sniper shot, while losing flurry? It would be pretty bad

[dense lion]

True, true

I just bought everything else haha

I think Hades will be a breeze (no pun intended)

[opal lodge]

twin flurry vs triple flurry is almost entirely pref

either way its the best possible

you dont need to swap

[ancient mauve]

does "cruel trust" affect sword's dash-attack

[cunning urchin]

No.

You can check the notes her for what does and doesn't apply to Dash-Strikes. https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Stygian_Blade#Upgrades

[fading nymph]

Does anyone have any advice on how to play Achieles? When I don't get flurry it just feels like a terrible wepon and when I do get it I can't use it well. Also Arty is good on attack right?

[lucid oar]

Both Artemis and Zeus are good on attack, but only Poseidon is good on dash, therefore you should start conch shell. If you get flurry, what works for me is to hold the attack button and dash around all the time, it works better than mashing dash and attack. If you get deadly strike, aim for hunters mark and +attack from chaos, if you get lightning strike, aim for jolted and splitting bolt. If you don't get flurry, try going for a high base damage cast such as phalanx shot or trippy shot.

[fading nymph]

ty

[deep lake]

Gonna try to actually use spear now

Should I go for the achillies aspect or the posieden aspect and try to get the dislodge boon from best girl artemis

[raw blade]

posiedon is sword

[deep lake]

ah right, my bad

achillies it is

[dense lion]

Achilles is so fun

[foggy prawn]

ice lasers go brrrrrr

achilles cast build is really fun

[dense lion]

Can confirm

I got both Atrem and Dem duo boons in my Achilles run and absolutely shredded

Well, one of my Achilles runs LOL

[worn meadow]

Yeah achilles lasers

Guys what are the Call rankings?

I puck Demeter a lot because i think its the only usable one at 1 charge

[boreal prism]

Dionysus is better at single charge than it is at full charge, I know that off the top of my head

[worn meadow]

The dot still lasts for 4 secs like all hangovers right? And the 1.5 sec duration is application time?

How many stacks does a single charge use?

[boreal prism]

A single charge easily applies 5 stacks of hangover

Oh, aphrodite call is fairly good at 1 charge or full charge

1 charge will make a regular fight easier, and full charge will take a chunk out of a boss

[turbid needle]

I believe it ticks 7 times for a single charge.

It and Zeus's Aid are the two strongest Calls with Smouldering Air.

[bronze rampart]

Yo Pieced butterfly is so legit for Tartarus
Also just got my first 0 damage Meg with it equipped and it feels good 😊

[turbid needle]

Congratulations!

[boreal prism]

Nice

[cunning urchin]

The only Lesser Calls that aren't very good are Artemis' Aid and Ares' Aid.

Ares' Aid is just generally bad.

[turbid needle]

can u gib me vampire build

heal build

Cursed Slash and Flurry Slash on Zag Aspect Stygius.

[boreal prism]

Healing effects are very limited in this game by design

You can heal with cursed slash, guan yu, or whatever that one fist hammer is

I might be forgetting one but those are your options

Two of these are hammers so you have mediocre odds of getting them in a run

So if you really wanna vampire, there's a GY build around here somewhere

[tough plinth]

Oh it is? I honestly end up gunning for it much of the time.

Maybe it’s the Iframes that get me to do that.

[silk hearth]

the dmg is underwhelming

all calls give u iframes, and its better to be doing dmg instead of using ares call

[tough plinth]

I was wondering how many times they hit per second, as the player is only ever given the damage per bit

[silk hearth]

yea true

[tough plinth]

Speaking of bad: is Artemis hiding some kind of awesome boon combo? I feel like most of my runs would be better off if every Artemis boon was swapped with another one.

[silk hearth]

artemis is not that good really

[tough plinth]

I know this was the case for Poseidon, who has seriously strong duo boons

[turbid needle]

No, she's generally considered the second-strongest Olympian.

[silk hearth]

support fire is good, duo boons are decent

[boreal prism]

Artemis is much stronger on some weapons than others i think, and she's got a few real weak side boons

[tough plinth]

Does crit get that good?

[turbid needle]

Yes.

[silk hearth]

nope

unless u get chaos boons its weaker than aphro

[boreal prism]

Have you tried crit arthur?

[turbid needle]

I think Nyaanyaa did the math a while back and Artemis consistently lands higher numbers.

Aphrodite just has damage and Weak.

[tough plinth]

I’ve envisioned it, never used it.

[silk hearth]

ehhh

[boreal prism]

"weaker than aphro" isn't saying much

[silk hearth]

she has a link to some google sheets

[turbid needle]

[silk hearth]

aphro is stronger most of the time

[turbid needle]

Yeah, because she's the strongest Olympian.

[boreal prism]

thats why you run heart rend BD

[tough plinth]

Aphrodite is just an easy debuff to slap on. There’s also that one boon that makes weak enemies slightly vulnerable so it’s not all that bad. Good ares duo too.

[turbid needle]

Heart Rend is very nasty.

[silk hearth]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

this should be the one

[turbid needle]

She's also central to any Cast build.

[silk hearth]

yea thinking about it, only artemis and aphro are used for % dmg

[cunning urchin]

I wouldn't call Lady Artemis "central". We just want Mirage Shot.

Oh I guess for Crystal Clarity.

[nimble plank]

I just got 3 duo boons in a row and a legendary boon right after.

[turbid needle]

And Hunting Blades.

[cunning urchin]

I never really run meme cast builds.

Yeah I meant to put "etc." there and forgot lol.

[tough plinth]

Quick question about duo boons: is it a match cast boon with cast boon for a guaranteed duo boon or is it a random occurrence for when you have one of each relevant boon for either Olympian

[cunning urchin]

I mean those builds work perfectly fine, they're not optimal for DPS, though.

[turbid needle]

Well, Merciful End tends to be optimal for DPS.

[jovial fulcrum]

You need 2 prerequisite boons for any duo.
Except for Cold Fusion, which requires a Tier 2 boon. So there's essentially 3 prerequisite boons

You cant have two core boons in the same slot though

if you get offered a second, it will be as a trade

[tough plinth]

Yeah that’s what I figured. Which is why I’m not sure how to say, get the frost+spinning blade cast duo

I thought it was get the cast for Demeter after ares (or vice versa) and you could combo em

But like you said, it’s a trade

[tough plinth]

So what do you mean by prerequisite?

[jovial fulcrum]

a required boon

[cunning urchin]

You need Slicing Shot from Lord Ares and one out of Frost Strike, Frost Flourish, Mistral Dash, and Demeter's Aid from Lady Demeter.

When you have that, any boon you pick up from Lord Ares or Lady Demeter has a chance to offer you their Duo Boon.

[tough plinth]

Ohhh so it is a chance roll.

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[jovial fulcrum]

Some duos have several boons that work, while others have stricter requirements

[tough plinth]

Hm. I guess that’s fair, some duo boons are kinda busted.

[jovial fulcrum]

Merciful End for example, needs Ares attack or special, and Athena attack or Special

[tough plinth]

would those be listed in the codex?

[jovial fulcrum]

yes

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[tough plinth]

Cause the boom codex didn’t really help out much. Wasn’t sure how things matched at first

This helps a ton though, thank you two.

[jovial fulcrum]

go to that gods entry, then there's a button prompt to look at their boons

[paper flicker]

vanilla doesn’t specify duo prerequisites though, right?

[jovial fulcrum]

It does

[paper flicker]

ah

i’ve been using qol mod for the overview anyway 🤷

[jovial fulcrum]

I haven't looked at any of the mods at all really

too lazy

and I don't feel like I'm "finished" with the vanilla game

[paper flicker]

i saw the dps meter and that made me have a look

so now i’m running that and qol, quite useful

anyway, i guess that’s off topic :D

[worn meadow]

ME builds need Ares Attack and Athena Special, Athena Dash right?

And like not Ares special and Athena Attack

[cunning urchin]

Depends on the aspect, but mostly, yes.

[worn meadow]

Which Aspects use Ares Special?

[cunning urchin]

Zeus and Chaos can do either.

[worn meadow]

Oh shields

Shield is my clunkiest haha

[lucid oar]

You use Ares attack so you can dash strike and proc doom very quickly

Generally speaking that is

[worn meadow]

How often do “Core Boon Trades” happen?

[cunning urchin]

Any boon you pick up has a 10% chance to offer one exchange.

Only priority boons can be exchanged.

[worn meadow]

Like if the rng gave me an Epic Athena Attack (and a bunch of weaks) should i not get it

[cunning urchin]

Attack, Special, Cast, Dash.

Call is a core boon, but it's not a priority boon.

So you can't get an exchange for a Call.

[cunning urchin]

Epic Divine Strike on what?

[worn meadow]

ME fists

[cunning urchin]

I mean Epic Divine Strike is good on Malphon, but it's not gonna be an ME build.

You should get your Curse of Agony first boon if you go for ME.

Reroll with Persuasion if you have to.

[worn meadow]

Okeii

[cunning urchin]

Then get Divine Flourish, and again, reroll if you have to.

Then roll for ME or take Divine Dash, and then keep rolling for ME.

[worn meadow]

Divine Flourish and Divine dash rarity does not matter no?

[cunning urchin]

Right.

[real crest]

Divine dash will increase damage a bit but you need flourish beforehand so that you can get the duo.

[worn meadow]

Ooooof
Thats one part i got wrong hahaha

I take divine dash whenever i see it

Haha

[toxic siren]

I'm running out of ideas, any rail build recommendations?

[cunning urchin]

https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

Works for Zag Rail, Eris, and Lucifer.

Just Lucifer hammers will be different.

[toxic siren]

very serious

its really good

even tho i dont rail gun

[radiant crescent]

How much Hades is immune to knockback? The wiki doesn't mention it. I knew it resists it to some degree, would be to op to push him all over the map, but still with a full poseidon build, I would have liked to have some fun.

[toxic siren]

not much

maybe a teeny tiny bit of knockback is possible

[radiant crescent]

Make knockback, rupture & all associated boons irrelevant then, so a bad build against, except if you count that it makes it easier to reach him (easier room clear before)..

I'm not at the stage of aiming for specific build yet, I'm at 7-8 heat all weapons around, but I'm starting to think about it.

[lucid oar]

Sea storm still procs on bosses

[toxic siren]

yeah

think so

[untold vortex]

yeah, sea storm and effects that proc off knockback still work

[lucid oar]

Well well well

Eris is no longer the fastest weapon 👀

[turbid needle]

new record or somethin?

[lucid oar]

Yep, 5:49 by 185

[turbid needle]

achilles?

[lucid oar]

Yes

Probably should have stated at the start lol

[turbid needle]

rush stonks

[turbid needle]

Man beating theseus is a struggle

i keep dying

send help

[toxic siren]

Artemis' cast penetrates theseus' shield try making a build around it

[raw blade]

hera bow or pos sword would be good i reckon

[toxic siren]

Posidon nicer for me

For the people who don't bow

[raw blade]

posiedon it is then

[near heath]

So hey guys

I’m trying to max out Dionysus keep sake

What should I build with?

Just now I did a Low Tolerance + Splitting Headache build on Eris

[strange lark]

beowulf with trippy flare

[near heath]

flails but that weapon is so hard to use

[strange lark]

git gud

[near heath]

Anything else?

Also how would you realistically build Bad Influence?

Like what build can use it?

[cunning urchin]

Rama Drunken Flourish, Chiron Drunken Flourish, Zeus Drunken Flourish, Chaos Drunken Flourish, any rail Drunken Strike.

Malphon Drunken Strike.

[near heath]

Oh

I wonder how you can control the festive fog in a Not Beowulf build

[turbid needle]

I use the gun and getting the boons are rather random? or is there some strat to it

what are all these builds i feel so lost x_X

i only started playing 3 days ago

sooo

[cunning urchin]

Ice Wine.

Or Hera.

@turbid needle did you give out any Nectar to gods yet?

[turbid needle]

the gift thing? yea except for artemis and hermes

i havent got artemis for like 6 deaths now

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, if you equip their keepsake, you're guaranteed to get one boon from them (unless you go out of your way to skip them every time).

If you want consistent builds, you usually take one god keepsake into Tartarus and a different one into Asphodel, and then in the biomes after that, you equip keepsakes for survivability or some cash or whatever.

[near heath]

😮 ice wine?

[cunning urchin]

Lord Dionysus + Lady Demeter.

[fading nymph]

Synth feast is also really good

Dio+Zeus

[dusk comet]

whats the best boon for hestia?

i find aphrodite/artemis good but im not sure if its the best ones for hestia

[lucid oar]

They are the best on attack

Poseidon is used on the dash often

[fading nymph]

Any % boon is good on a slow but hard hitting weapon and those two are the go to for a good % boon

[cunning urchin]

Deadly Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, Tidal Dash, and Heart Rend.

[raw blade]

I really wanna use dem but using level 2 dem seems kinda not very good

should I level it up first

[cunning urchin]

Eh, even Lv.2 is still better DPS than Zag Fists.

[real crest]

Is ruthless reflex better than greater reflex

[fading nymph]

only on gilgamesh really

[real crest]

Ok thanks but why

[cunning urchin]

It's better on shields and on Gilgamesh.

More dashes means more i-frames.

[real crest]

Why on shields ? Doesn't more dashes mean more damage for shield

[cunning urchin]

Gilgamesh already has extra dashes, though, and shield is shield. You're mostly doing dash-strike > bull-rush > repeat.

Ideally with Charged Shot.

[lucid oar]

If you dash then attack, you'll carry your momentum forward

And slide along the ground

[real crest]

Ok but is plus 50 Percent damage and dodge not worth it since a near miss is pretty generous

[hoary slate]

Ruthless Reflex is a very good Hermes Boon, but being restricted to 1 Dash can be unwieldy for example vs Meg and in big Asphodel Encounters with jumping Enemies.

[lucid oar]

Ruthless reflex is still pretty good if you can get used to it, don't get me wrong

[hoary slate]

For Casual Play i definitely recommend Greater Reflex.

[real crest]

But is it better if you are used to it or not (this is my second run-through of the game btw)

I'm doing hell mode and want more power

[hoary slate]

You'll do better with Greater Reflex still more than likely.

[cunning urchin]

We only take Ruthless on shield and Gilgamesh in high heat and speedruns. Take that for what you will.

[hoary slate]

Single Dash needs proper managing it, double far less.

[real crest]

Thanks I'll keep ruthless for when I use shield then since I have nowhere else to put my darkness until I unlock mirror

[hoary slate]

Could just stockpile it tbh

You won't lose it

[real crest]

I will reroll when I get to the point that I just need to reroll to get next DD since I already bought it before asking

I'm "smart" that way

[dusk comet]

hestia is kinda good in high heat

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[dusk comet]

clearing the last floor is kinda a pain in the a but other than that its good

[cunning urchin]

Tidal Dash will help with that.

[echo helm]

question, what does hollowed ground do

[boreal prism]

It does a bunch of weird things

Slows projectiles, blocks floor traps like lava, gives you damage resistance or something

[echo helm]

oh wow

[boreal prism]

Also I think it looks really cool

[echo helm]

it does

[jovial fulcrum]

Ruthless Reflex carried my 32 Gil lol

[next moss]

hmm

so i just tried Hera Bow for the first time

i had NO idea what i was doing the whole time 😊 what's the goal here?

use casts to buff the attack and have a good attack boon? use casts boons?

[strange lark]

With hera you just want to make your casts strong so it can destroy your enemies

[next moss]

oh

im dumb then

i never picked a cast cause i thought it was just loaded into the attack

but the cast boon will also be loaded then

ah, that seems much better

soooo i actually did a vanilla bow run then

[strange lark]

Bruh

[fading nymph]

Also you don’t have to pull back the bow all the way every time because your casts are doing the damage

[royal needle]

does anyone have a good build to get that 30% butterfly achievement? i ve done 2 runs and the closest i got was 26%

[cunning urchin]

Hestia and Guan Yu are both great at no-hitting encounters.

[royal needle]

I tried hestia, but i found often i would get bonked while i was trying to reload

[cunning urchin]

You can dash while reloading.

Or use your Special.

Like, you can press Reload + Dash at the same time.

Also, if you stand still when you press reload, and you try to run, you can't move. But if you're already running when you press reload, you can keep running.

Chiron is also great for no-hitting encounters.

[royal needle]

I might try hestia again then. What boons should i be going for? I'm guessing that demeter would probably be good, but idk what else.

[cunning urchin]

You want Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike and probably Divine Dash.

With Heartbreak Strike, you want a lot of poms on Attack, and maybe also get Zeus' Aid, so that you can get Smoldering Air.

With Deadly Strike, you'd want Hunter's Mark and maybe Heartbreak Flourish to get Heart Rend.

And then poms on Hunter's Mark.

[royal needle]

Alright, I'll try with that and see how it goes

[cunning urchin]

Best hammer is Ricochet Fire.

Piercing Fire is also okay if you can't get Ricochet. Rocket + Cluster and Targeting System are also all great.

[toxic siren]

Hazardous bomb scares me

[sterile fiber]

It's my favorite fun hammer lol

You don't take that much dmg from it

[royal needle]

... i literally just got 28%

i swear

[dense lion]

Alright

Tomorrow, I'm going to do it

I've maxed out Zag fists and you know what that means

Operation Speedy Boy is a-go

Objective 1: Get 100% dodge chance (or as close as possible)
2: Get Diciple of Hermes
3: Gotta go fast (beat PB time)

[toxic siren]

you got it

ezpz

[dense lion]

Heck yeah

I'm hoping to get Ares att

[toxic siren]

believers rise up

[raw blade]

whats a good hestia build

[toxic siren]

artemis maybe on attack?

[raw blade]

🧍‍♂️

[toxic siren]

splash dash

[raw blade]

hmm

[toxic siren]

dad keepsake

for final fight

any high percentage on attack is good

aphro attack is really good too

[dense lion]

Aphro attack is always really good LOL

I'm not sure if it's quite the "meta," but it's certainly very strong

[spare flare]

Just to confirm, the Double Strike boon doesn't allow Lightning Reflexes as a prerequisite, but does trigger on the bolts from Lightning Reflexes, right?

And ditto Heaven's Vengeance.

[toxic siren]

think so

i was sleeping on the rail for so long

im loving it

aphro attacks stonks

[spare flare]

If you like Hestia (as you should), wait until you get a load of Eris.

[toxic siren]

i tried it once, i suck with it, i need to practise

and i wanted to ask

is ricochet fire on hestia?

[spare flare]

You can see all compatabilities here:

https://hades.gamepedia.com/Adamant_Rail

[dense lion]

Who needs practice when you've got c l u s t e r m i s s l e s?

[toxic siren]

i mean

its dumb but its true

cluster is too good really

[dense lion]

If you have Eris it turns half the stage into damage boosts that deal damage to enemies

[toxic siren]

i use the bow for a living, the reload messes me up

[spare flare]

You auto-reload when you run out and can manually reload while you're shooting your special, which you should be doing frequently to maintain the buff.

[toxic siren]

thank youuuu, as soon as i opend it i got ricochet in game

[dusk comet]

i feel like artemis 'attack is much worse than aphrodites attack on hestia

[silk hearth]

i think it is

aphro is generally better than artemis

[raw blade]

yeah i tried it arte isnt the greatest

its good when u get those crits on the power shot

but otherwise its average

[dusk comet]

yeah true 2k crit do be pretty funny

other than that its pretty frustrating to kill mobs

[raw blade]

arte special on dem fists tho

[dusk comet]

u cant rlly oneshot them w/o crit

with aphro u can oneshot most mobs

[spare flare]

Arty is better for the special, and also, Heart Rend tilts things in her favor, as does Clean Kill.

[dense lion]

Also, Support Fire is a crazy boon

It probably is very inefficient in the long run, but it's just so cool and you at least feel like you're upping your damage substantially

I think a way to buff Atry att boon would be to make the crit chance increase with poms/rarity instead of the damage buff

[silk hearth]

its already strong as is so theres no need to buff it

[raw blade]

i dont think poms affect the crit chance

do they?

[silk hearth]

how is it inefficient btw, imo its very good for fast weapons

[raw blade]

they just up the attack %

[silk hearth]

thats what hes saying

[dense lion]

Yea

[raw blade]

ah

[dense lion]

That way it's a more "high risk high reward" thing

You trade static attack % for a chance to deal double damage

Just some late night thoughts on the matter, I'm far from an expert

[timber coyote]

bc im bored and want to try new stuff with most of the aspects unlocked im asking my friends to pick random numbers
1-6 (weapon)
1-4 (aspect)
1-8 (god i start w/)
so basically my friend did 1,2,7 (nemesis with dio.)
so what do i want here? dio attack special nothing? idk

[boreal prism]

dio cast always reliable

with nemesis you really want %increase damage on attack

and dio... doesn't do that

ideally you'd go for heartrend, but that'll be harder if you don't get to pick your starting keepsake

[turbid needle]

dio atk with double edge stonks

[boreal prism]

on nemesis, though?

[turbid needle]

yeah thats what they asked for

[boreal prism]

dio atk doesn't benefit from nemesis's effect, though

[turbid needle]

doesn't matter

meme build is never gonna be optimal

[timber coyote]

thats what i go for on a normal nemesis build but yeah this is honestly
a funny idea

im gonna probs just see what i get

and go from there

seen worse tbh its special cast dash

im going for cast tbh

[boreal prism]

You can win with anything I guess

[timber coyote]

yeah but i suck 👍

lmao

[boreal prism]

I like dio cast a lot, maybe I overestimate it but it seems really reliable

[raw blade]

its pretty good

[timber coyote]

i only have wins with developed builds like 3 merciful end builds and 1 heart rend nemesis win

[raw blade]

i use it a lot with beo

fun

[turbid needle]

you can go for blackout

or the dio zeus duo I guess

[raw blade]

yeah thats a decent choice

[timber coyote]

just got a demeter room lfg

special call frozen touch lmao

i dooo have p status so i can go for that on special

[cunning urchin]

Piercing Volley can be great on Chiron.

But yeah, Breaching Cross first hammer is kind of the only one you'd want.

[raw blade]

breaching cross helps so much

[worn meadow]

What does Demeter Flare do?

Is it also a 5 sec crystal?

Or like an explosion?

[cunning urchin]

Icy Flare? It's an AOE that applies Chill.

The AOE is pretty small and the damage is bad, though.

Easily the worst Cast on Beowulf.

[worn meadow]

It was whole day blackout here and my seotch has no battery

Switch

Okeii

[lucid oar]

Icy flare's AOE seems pretty huge, but it has the same base damage as flood flare iirc, has abysmal pom scaling and isn't a prerequisite to any good duo boons

[dusk comet]

why does aphrodite have the best boon for attack? isnt she supposed to be the god of love or smth

it just doesnt make any sense

[worn meadow]

She works out

[lucid oar]

Aphrodite isn't the best boon in all cases, but she's up there most of the time

I guess love is the strongest thing in the world...

[proven osprey]

Because it's not the power of love

Heartbreak, broken resolve, dying lament

It's only the pain from love

[cunning urchin]

Lady Aphrodite was worshipped as a warrior goddess, too.

For example, in Sparta, she was worshipped as Lady Aphrodite Areia (Lady Aphrodite the Warlike).

We intuitively associate love with peace nowadays in Western culture, but that wasn't the case in Ancient Greece.

She was also typically depicted as having a strong connection to Lord Ares, the God of War. It's like that in Hades, too.

[turbid needle]

they say that love is war...

[cunning urchin]

Well, she says "I'm a lover, not a fighter" in Hades, so she's clearly not a warrior goddess here. But nonetheless, her wrath is known to be quite destructive.

[jovial fulcrum]

a not insignificant amount of the wars in Greek history had to do with love

Trojan War comes to mind

[storm ivy]

Wow guys. U didn’t tel me how amazing scintillating feast and icy wine is. Could be some of my favorite cast skills now

[jovial fulcrum]

they're good, but just kinda overkill most of the time

Dio cast just does a butt ton of damage already

[cunning urchin]

I wouldn't call them overkill.

That build was very popular at one point in Early Access, but there have been a lot of changes since, and other Cast builds get much better DPS now.

We also just learned more things about how to make strong Cast builds.

It's still very effective when everything comes together, though.

[jovial fulcrum]

Ice Wine is one I personally don't like taking. The delay it adds w/ Hera and Beo just throws me off.
I still take it when its offered most of the time, but never very thrilled about it

[cunning urchin]

You don't do Ice Wine builds on Hera or Beowulf, yeah.

[jovial fulcrum]

Those two weapons are the only times I really take Dio cast as well

so like, i dunno.

[lucid oar]

Even though mirage shot requires 2 extra gods and ice wine requires 1 extra, mirage is still way better

On beo/Hera anyway

[jovial fulcrum]

I mean, Hera wants Flood Shot more than Trippy, right

[lucid oar]

Hera wants crush shot

[jovial fulcrum]

that too

[lucid oar]

Trippy works okay, flood shot just has pretty low base damage

[cunning urchin]

Phalanx Shot is also decent. But Crush Shot is #1.

Phalanx Shot is a decent alternative for high heat to open up DDs and Divine Dash immediately.

[storm ivy]

I mean u wouldn’t take icy wine or scintillating with any of the traditional cast choices outside of like… Achilles I guess? But I like it with Eris rail

[cunning urchin]

Trippy is for people who want to be different.

[storm ivy]

Gives u thst boss damage I guess

[cunning urchin]

Ice Wine + Scintillating Feast was probably the most popular build on Poseidon Aspect at one point.

[jovial fulcrum]

Trippy forces you to use Stygian Soul, which usually means you cant load casts as often

[lucid oar]

It is really fun tbf

Idk if it is a good speedrun build

[cunning urchin]

No.

[lucid oar]

I think the new meta for Poseidon is to start tidal dash and pick up a decent lodging cast. It's what worked decently for me

[jovial fulcrum]

isnt it just ME

lol

like everything

[lucid oar]

ME works

[cunning urchin]

Meta is Phalanx Shot or Electric Shot. Merciful End works, too.

[lucid oar]

I got true shot lmao

Back in the days of double shot

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, that was good then.

Was also waaay easier to get bonus Cast damage from Master Chaos then.

[lucid oar]

I still had a 40s dad fight, and recently I've been struggling with that

[cunning urchin]

True Shot has truly fallen from its graces.

[lucid oar]

I really want to try electric shot before it was nerfed

[jovial fulcrum]

can you down patch at all? I havent tried tbh

[lucid oar]

I think you can, but it won't count for anything

[jovial fulcrum]

Well, if you wanna try pre nerf electric shot that'd be a way.

Unless you mean as, like, a leader board speedrum

[mossy finch]

Hey does anybody know how crit chance boosts stack?

[proven osprey]

they adds up

[mossy finch]

Even hunters mark?

[proven osprey]

yeah

[mossy finch]

Ok

I’m trying for a 100% crit sword

Without hunters mark

[lucid oar]

You’d need pressure points to be like level 50

[cunning urchin]

You can get Hunter's Mark up easily enough to get 100% crit chance on marked enemies with Nemesis.

[silk hearth]

yea hunters marks is very strong, ive had it at like 80-90% before

[shadow lark]

what would be a good build for hades spear?

[lucid oar]

Deadly strike is by far the best percentage attack, good hammers are the spin ones, serrated point, and exploding launcher

Merciful end works well as well

[shadow lark]

alright, thanks

merciful end's the athena/ares duo, right?

[lucid oar]

Yes

[sterile fiber]

why do people mention Achilles Spear when talking about cast builds, is there some interaction I'm missing

[strange lark]

the spear rush bonus damage also affects casts

[sterile fiber]

ah

[sacred pebble]

Is Artemis attack boon good with hestia rail or is it just a meme

[strange lark]

what

artemis attack is really good with hestia

why would it be a meme

[sacred pebble]

Because you sometimes hit 1500

But usually get way less

Whereas something like Poseidon would more consistently hit good numbers

[cunning urchin]

1500 would mean your non-crits hit for 500.

Tempest Strike has the worst % bonus of any Attack and absolutely terrible pom and rarity scaling.

Deadly and Heartbreak have the best DPS.

[sacred pebble]

Well I only hit 1500 once or twice and it was a perfect situation

Everything went right

[cunning urchin]

Crits are just triple damage.

Anyway. In short, yes, Deadly Strike is great on Hestia.

[fiery wind]

Idk which weapon I should go with, I like fast gameplay, I go for the fists and the spear, for spear I use the aspect of Achilles and the fist I’m using Talos

[cunning urchin]

Demeter is stronger than Talos.

[true prairie]

Omg chiron with artemis special and concentrated fire makes this game a joke

[cunning urchin]

Zag Fists is stronger than Talos tbh.

But Talos is a lot of fun.

[cunning urchin]

Until you turn up the Heat. But yeah, Chiron is very easy to play.

[true prairie]

32 heat atm

[cunning urchin]

Get Heartbreak Strike and Heart Rend if you're using Deadly Flourish.

[true prairie]

thats what im hoping for

[cunning urchin]

Chiron is still amazing at 32, but it falls off when you go higher simply because it doesn't have the DPS.

[true prairie]

ran rose so already have strike

[cunning urchin]

And it's not great for speedruns.

[true prairie]

Yeah had to turn off TD3

I wish there was a TD2.5 bc 2 is a joke but 3 is hell on some builds

especially bow

[fiery wind]

Should I use the spear of Achilles for fast play or should I use the fists?

[true prairie]

fist imo

[cunning urchin]

Hmm TD3 is still very doable with any aspect at 32. It's just that when you go higher, you start having to take JS2 or JS3, CP, etc., all of which slow you down.

Achilles has the IGT speedrun WR as of yesterday with 5:49.

[true prairie]

Hermes or pom?

[cunning urchin]

Malphon isn't nowhere near that.

Lord Hermes.

[fiery wind]

Can we vc about this?

[cunning urchin]

Start Tidal Dash on Achilles, look for Flurry Jab first hammer, and get either Deadly Strike + Hunter's Mark or Lightning Strike + Static Discharge.

The server has no voice channels, and I don't do voice chat anyway.

Speedrun leaderboard is here if you're interested in that, has videos you can look at and a few guides. https://www.speedrun.com/hades

[fiery wind]

Who does deadly strike belong to?

[cunning urchin]

Lady Artemis.

[shadow lark]

why must both my favorite fists aspects be the worst ones

[cunning urchin]

Talos and Gilgamesh?

[true prairie]

How good is greater reflex?

[cunning urchin]

There's no accounting for taste.

[shadow lark]

yes

[fiery wind]

I wish you could test boons in the training area

And hammer

[cunning urchin]

Runs are short enough that you can quickly make a build and test it. I quite like it that way, personally.

Rather than testing things in training, you just go out there and test it in a run.

[fiery wind]

Well I mean what if im not lucky enough to get it

I have nothing against it I’m just asking

[cunning urchin]

You only see two hammers in a run, so nothing you can do about that except just die and do a new run if you really want a specific hammer asap.

For the rest, you'll get a lot better at getting the builds you want with experience.

And, if you find that a particular build you want to try is especially difficult to get, that's also important info.

[fiery wind]

I got a hammer XD

Didn’t get the quick jab

[cunning urchin]

Speedrunners would just die and start a new run at that point lol. But you can be speedy even without Flurry Jab on Achilles, and the aspect is fun to play.

It's just that Flurry Jab is very much required for competitive times on Achilles.

[fiery wind]

Breach skewer is better than massive spin and triple jab right?

[cunning urchin]

Massive Spin is incompatible with Flurry Jab, so you def don't want that.

If you take that, you won't be able to get Flurry Jab from the second hammer.

The other spin hammers are also like that.

[true prairie]

Lmao i now have deadly flourish, concentrated and relentless volley

[cunning urchin]

That's because Flurry Jab removes the spin.

[true prairie]

these mfs gonna die

[fiery wind]

Triple jab is good when you are fighting witches in the mini boss fight

[cunning urchin]

Between Breaching and Triple... I'd probably take Triple but tbh they both kinda suck lol.

[fiery wind]

Especially when you use deflect

Well breach gets though armor

[cunning urchin]

On its own, Massive Spin is actually the best hammer there. It's just that Flurry Jab is too good to pass on the chance to get it later.

At least if you're going for speed.

[strange lark]

triple is probably the better choice

[true prairie]

Boom just got heart rend too, 32 heat hades here i come

[cunning urchin]

But you're not really using the Special for damage. Damage comes from Tidal Dash and Dash-Strikes + Casts.

[cunning urchin]

Sounds like a ded dad to me.

[fiery wind]

Well I need special to activate the 4 hit bonus damage for Achilles spear

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, but you use the Special mainly for movement, the damage is not so important.

[true prairie]

Does support fire combo well with chiron?

[fiery wind]

Ok I’ll go for triple jab

[cunning urchin]

It's not bad, I guess. But it won't work on every arrow of your volley.

[true prairie]

How bout pressure points and true shot?

[shadow lark]

is that a cooldown like the zeus lightning boons?

[cunning urchin]

Pressure Points is decent. True Shot is whatever.

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[dapper ore]

whats a good weapon for hades?

i can almost consistently make it past asterius and thesesus but my problem is getting hades

[cunning urchin]

Hestia, Beowulf, Zeus, Chiron.

Eris.

[dapper ore]

i dont remember each one they go with

could you just tell me the one you start with

[strange lark]

hestia rail, beowulf shield, zeus shield, chiron bow, eris rail

[dapper ore]

ok

[cunning urchin]

Have you unlocked weapon aspects yet?

[dapper ore]

some of them

i think ive killed the first boss with every weapon so now titan blood is extra annoying

[cunning urchin]

Hmmm. Eris might be the least hungry for Titan Blood out of those.

[boreal prism]

Well once you beat the final boss it'll get easier to get blood

[dapper ore]

my biggest problem is not getting there with enough health

[cunning urchin]

If you can't afford Eris, you can do the same builds on Zag Rail, they'll just be weaker.

[boreal prism]

Maybe shield is the weapon for you, then. The block is great everywhere

[cunning urchin]

But, Eris is way easier to play.

[dapper ore]

i made it there with stygian sword once and the other with spear and i did like 3 times better with sword

[dapper ore]

not for me, i find the ranged odd to deal with

[cunning urchin]

You just get a broken build and kill everything.

Your range with the right build should be you just hold Attack and dash at everything, pretty much.

And use your Special when you reload.

Difficult to die when your DPS is so high, you can kill Hades before he can kill you.

[tough plinth]

So what’s up with Hermès boons?
I feel like every time I use an olympians trinket, Hermès is always either first before them or the chamber option between that boon.

Are they like Daedalus hammers?

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, pretty much.

[tough plinth]

Does that mean I’ll always be promoted with a Hermès until I take it? (Per stage)

[cunning urchin]

Hammers can show up sooner, but otherwise, both work pretty much the same in how they can show up.

[tough plinth]

Not that I don’t want to. I just want to make sure that I don’t gimp myself out of a Hermès or trinket boon anytime soon

[cunning urchin]

Not quite literally like that, but you can think of it that way, yes.

[boreal prism]

Picking a god keepsake in aspho feels like it guarantees hermes appearing... but maybe that's just coincidence

[cunning urchin]

That's just coincidence lol.

[tough plinth]

What I intend to know is how a trinket boon and Hermès boon enforce their priority if at all

cause yeah, I keep getting to choose between Hermès and the trinket boon, both of which are extremely desirable

[cunning urchin]

Lord Hermes can't appear before the boss shop in Tartarus, so you're very likely to see him early in Asphodel if you didn't see a boon from him in the shop.

[tough plinth]

Do you mean between the boss shop and stage shop?

[cunning urchin]

Between biomes isn't a shop.

There's Charon's Shop, and there are Wells of Charon or Pools of Purging.

[tough plinth]

I mean the shop that spawns around the middle of the biome

[boreal prism]

Your odds of getting your trinket boon in the biome you equipped the trinket is always really high. If you skip the trinket boon you'll get more chances at it

[tough plinth]

I see, and this roll chance is then set to default/what it would be without the trinket after getting the respective Olympian?

[cunning urchin]

I mean the first room in which Lord Hermes can appear in a run is chamber 13 in the shop.

[boreal prism]

Yeah after you get the boon that the trinket promised, the god gets in your pool and behaves normally

[tough plinth]

What I’m getting from this is that I should take Hermès first if given the option between my trinket and Hermès

[cunning urchin]

Depends on your build etc.

[tough plinth]

cause Hermès can eventually lose priority.

[boreal prism]

Whichever one you pick, you'll probably get a chance to get the other one later

[tough plinth]

Right. Decide within the context of a run and all that.

[cunning urchin]

If it's early in Asphodel, you're generally safe to skip him and still see him another two times like normal.

Keep in mind that Asphodel is short enough that you can skip your keepsake god once and never see them again in Asphodel.

That's very rare, but it's something that can happen.

[tough plinth]

Gotcha, thanks for the tip

[fiery wind]

Didn’t get deadly strike, should I do with Deadly flourish, true shot or inter dash? The dash is epic

[cunning urchin]

What aspect was it?

[fiery wind]

Dash strike

Achilles

[lucid oar]

Not dash, tidal is better

[cunning urchin]

You didn't start with Conch Shell?

[lucid oar]

Flourish or cast, it doesn't matter. Both won't really be contributing to damage

[cunning urchin]

Not Cast.

You want a better Cast on Achilles.

[fiery wind]

So you should that the best is Artemis deadly strike and hunters mark @cunning urchin

[cunning urchin]

Start Tidal Dash on Achilles, look for Flurry Jab first hammer, and get either Deadly Strike + Hunter's Mark or Lightning Strike + Static Discharge.

[fiery wind]

Oh ok I’ll start the run over then

[cunning urchin]

Tidal Dash will clear Tartarus for you all on its own, and you want poms on it asap.

So you take that first.

[fiery wind]

Tribal is Poseidon right?

[cunning urchin]

Play extremely aggressive with Dash-Strikes.

Poseidon, yes.

[lucid oar]

With flurry jab, you want to hold down attack while also dashing around the room into enemies. You don't want to just mash both buttons

[fiery wind]

Ok well for this run I am able to use flurry jab

[cunning urchin]

There you go. Should be an easy PB from here.

Also aim for Wave Pounding, Breaking Wave, and Typhoon's Fury.

[lucid oar]

Shoals as well, that takes priority over typhoon's fury

[cunning urchin]

Skip Static Discharge if it's only common.

Yeah.

And put poms on Hunter's Mark or Static Discharge when you have them.

[fiery wind]

What’s better high confidence or thick skin

[cunning urchin]

High Confidence if you want to go fast.

[lucid oar]

Thick skin if you die in Tartarus a lot

[fiery wind]

I mainly die in fire or “heaven”

Greater reflex or ruthless reflex

Shadow or fiery

[lucid oar]

Shadow

[opal lodge]

greater is a common pick

[lucid oar]

It's not that significant on this weapon

[cunning urchin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/860488627083673620/unknown.png

[opal lodge]

shadow is fine, fiery is also fine

[cunning urchin]

There, that's the mirror you want for Achilles.

[opal lodge]

fiery helps for speedrunning imo

but if youre just trying to clear its pretty inconsequential

[fiery wind]

I can’t read that

[lucid oar]

Just make the colours match up

I can't read it either

[cunning urchin]

The mirror is just numbers. You can read that.

[lucid oar]

Just do all purple until the last 5 where you go green green green purple green

[fiery wind]

Legend has a damage too right?

[cunning urchin]

What?

[lucid oar]

If you mean the argument between gods legacy and gods pride, then getting higher rarity static discharge/Hermes is better than a slightly better chance of seeing splitting bolt

[fiery wind]

Tribal dash is common, should I get it?

[lucid oar]

Yes

Once you pom it, it will succeed the damage of epic lvl 1 by quite a bit anyway

[fiery wind]

Deadly flourish true shot or pressure point? Point is rare

[cunning urchin]

Roll for Attack if you can.

[fiery wind]

Dnd?

[cunning urchin]

Reroll with Fated Persuasion.

To get her Attack.

[rigid rover]

I’m having some trouble with Zeus aspect. Most of my builds have been pretty good and melt encounters but i always struggle really hard with boss fights especially Theseus and Final boss

Any builds that are very strong or general advice with the weapon

[cunning urchin]

@rigid rover you should read Baj's messages here, that should have a lot of excellent info. Baj is far and beyond the best Zeus Aspect player and very possibly the best high heat player. #h1-high-heat-strategies message

[inland escarp]

Wow Nemesis sword is actual crap on console

I had double edge and barely ever correctly hit my strikes

It looks so much smoother with a mouse

[paper flicker]

interesting. i’ve basically never used the shield block.

[desert ermine]

any good builds to do bunch of damage with the fists?

tryna get the ending as quick as a can

[strange lark]

ME

Ares attack, athena special, athena dash

And get the duo boon of course

[desert ermine]

ight

[dense lion]

Concentrated knuckle is good with Ares attack too

[cunning urchin]

Not really, no.

The base damage from Concentrated does nothing for your Doom damage.

[desert ermine]

it would still be good to do more damage no?

[cunning urchin]

You're not even gonna hold Attack like that, you just spam Dash-Strikes to proc ME.

[dense lion]

Well, yes, but I said it would be good with Ares :P

[cunning urchin]

But.. it wouldn't be.

[dense lion]

Flurry Jab then?

Is that what I'm thinking of?

[cunning urchin]

I've no idea.

You want Breaching Cross first and Explosive Upper second on Malphon.

Kinetic Launcher is also great.

Rolling Knuckle is alright.

[dense lion]

I just finished a run with Kinetic launcher, can confirm it's goodness

I just love Malphon in general, probably my favorite weapon

[desert ermine]

same

[dense lion]

While not quite as OP as Merciful End, I find Dio or Demeter boon on attack is very good at stacking curses

[cunning urchin]

I wrote a short Demeter Aspect guide here if you're interested. #h1-builds-and-combat message

[dense lion]

Oooh

I'll give that a look after work :>

[visual jungle]

is hazard bomb overpowered?

i feel like it just...does so much damage

[cunning urchin]

Nope.

[turbid needle]

It's very strong, the range is both useful and hurtful, though.

[raw blade]

did u just say s h o r t guide

[turbid needle]

It's maybe 10 lines.

[foggy prawn]

is it just me or i could never get merciful end ever

even with gods legacy

[hoary slate]

Are you sure you met the conditions for it?

[raw blade]

athena special doom attack

or vice versa

[foggy prawn]

yeah

i always go for doom attack then athena special but in like 3 consecutive runs, i never got it

maybe its just my luck

ill try again

[raw blade]

try using that mirror buff

that increases chances for duos

[hoary slate]

you can better your chances by not being eligible for other Duos/Legendaries as they compete for the same slot and also try to fill your 4 core slots (Attack,Special, Cast, Dash) because they have priority to be filled.

[foggy prawn]

aight ill try that

[real crest]

Just unlocked the aspects and am wondering where to put blood (this is my second run through of the game and I am going for most powerful builds and such )

I'm in hell mode as well btw

[dusk comet]

nemesis and poseidon for speed

arthur for ooga booga

chiron for easy run

hestia for easy/safe run

[real crest]

Thanks for the recommendations

[dusk comet]

also hestia is only good when its maxed

so i dont recommend putting blood into it first

[real crest]

eris is better than hestia though right

[dusk comet]

depends

but hestia makes run 10x easier

[turbid needle]

they both good

[real crest]

just shoot once reload and repeat

[turbid needle]

I'd just think about which weps you like the most

bc so many are good

[dusk comet]

i like hestia the most tbh

not the most fun but it always work

[real crest]

i like shield and eris zeus attack

[dusk comet]

then go for it mah dude

u will get enough bloods for all weapons anyway so just play whatever

[real crest]

also what boons would you get for chiron

[turbid needle]

heartrend or low tolerance

[real crest]

k

[dusk comet]

artemis for special and aphrodite for attack

then go for heartrend duo

thats the basic

[lucid oar]

Hera is really good even at level 1

[dusk comet]

and rama is just pure sadness

[turbid needle]

nah its good even at lv1

[inland escarp]

Eris is just either ez runs or ultra ez if you get rocket bomb and rocket cluster hammers, gg. You literally blast the hell out of everything

[cunning urchin]

Eris, then speedrun for bounties.

[real crest]

thanks oh grammered one(this is a complement not an insult)

[cunning urchin]

[raw blade]

Eris is

best gun

[dense lion]

Eris is a whole lot of fun, especially because it fits my playstyle so well. I was literally shooting the bomb at an enemy and standing in the blast while circle strafing anyway LOL Might as well get a damage buff for it

[turbid needle]

If I use a god keepsake for one area, then move on and choose the keepsake again, will I still get that gods boon?

[strange lark]

if there is still a 1 under the keepsake then it will work again

if there isnt then you wont get a guaranteed boon from that god but you will still get the passive rarity boost

[dense lion]

Now I see why everyone says Gligamesh is not great Haha

[plucky rover]

heyyy

what else do you build with demeter other than ares or artemis?

im borred of this builds

tried zeus but sucked

[raw blade]

dem must be my least favourite god im ngl

her damage %age is average and chill is the most mid debuff

[plucky rover]

no i mean the aspect

of the gloves

fists*

[strange lark]

zeus attack, artemis special, aphro dash, any call, smoldering air, heartrend

[raw blade]

they said other than arte

arte special is pretty good otherwise aphro special

[strange lark]

well then replace arte special with aphro special

[raw blade]

you can get zeus on attack

its decent

[strange lark]

and get a call for smoldering air

[raw blade]

splash dash with fists is kinda mid

[plucky rover]

i feel like ares or dyo on attack are too good

[raw blade]

so i just get zeus dash

[plucky rover]

to replace

[raw blade]

dio attack is good yeah

ares without ME is okayish

actually no

its good

but the delay is kinda :/

[plucky rover]

what is smoldering air?

[strange lark]

duo boon for zeus and aphro

it makes your call cap at 25% but charges really fast

[raw blade]

zeus call

zeus call is the best imo

[boreal prism]

Zeus call gets really strong when you have boons that improve lightning strikes

I'm not sure it's that good without that

[turbid needle]

It's quite strong on its own.

Every Call, of course, gets significantly better whenever you have supplementary boons.

Except maybe Athena, she really just wants Poms.

[dense lion]

I haven't done any real high heat runs yet, but I prefer to use Greater Call. And as such I think Aphrodite and Athena have the best, with Zeus and Poseidon at close seconds

I just love seeing 2500 over Theseus' health bar as he drops LOL

[boreal prism]

Hehehehe

Using greater call only is a lot easier, it's less to keep track of

[cunning urchin]

Why keep track when you can just mash the Call button.

[desert ermine]

whats a good call to do some damage

tryna add something to my merciful build

[lucid oar]

Zeus or Dionysus

[desert ermine]

ok thanks

i just realized i have Dionysus call so thats good

[cunning urchin]

Dionysus' Aid pom scaling is stupid good.

If you build god gauge fast or have Smoldering Air, make sure you put some poms in that Call.

[boreal prism]

To get the most dps out of dio aid you gotta activate it before it reaches "greater" against bosses

[vernal gale]

How does Ares attack on bow aspect of Rama work?

Would the doom damage also contribute to the Shared Suffering effect?

[strange lark]

No it's only the attack itself

[vernal gale]

I see. Let's say I get a duo boons, am I allowed to sell one of the required boons that was needed to get the duo?

[turbid needle]

Yes, but it depends.

Duos that are specific modifiers to another boon, like Hunting Blades, still requires the base boon.

You can sell the Artemis boon, but not Slicing Shot.

[lucid oar]

If you get hunting blades and sell slicing shot, the duo doesn't do anything

[boreal prism]

If you have one of the demeter cast duos and sell the cast the duo doesn't do anything anymore

[vernal gale]

Makes sense. For curse of nausea (ares + dio), I can sell ares doom boon and still have the duo boom hangover effect right ?

[strange lark]

Yes

[turbid needle]

Yup.

[proper furnace]

Greatest reflex rare or rush delivery common?
Running beo with ruthless reflex

[turbid needle]

Greatest Reflex, especially if you don't have Greater Reflex.

[strange lark]

Hyper sprint?

[proper furnace]

Yup

[turbid needle]

You already have HS?

[strange lark]

Then rush delivery

[turbid needle]

Oops, what pp said.

[proper furnace]

Ty,

[dense lion]

Hey, I've always been wondering- what are the conditions to get "Diciple of [...]" on your victory screen? Does keeping their keepsake through the whole run help?

[strange lark]

You need to get 6 boons from a god including their legendary

And for hermes you need 3 boons from him but idk if you need the legendary boon

[dense lion]

Huh, interesting

[cunning urchin]

You need his legendary, yes.

Depending on the god, there may be boons that don't count towards the six.

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Run_Clear_Messages

You can find all the conditions for run clear messages here.

[dense lion]

Oh sweet! Trying to get Diciple of Poseidon on this run

[cunning urchin]

Trying for the Summertime Challenge?

[dense lion]

I didn't have the mirror upgrades, maybe in a few runs

[foggy prawn]

The summertime challenge can be at any heat right?

[strange lark]

Yeah

[true prairie]

Is unhealthy fixation any good on a chiron build?

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[true prairie]

Cuz life affirmation is looking tempting too

still tartarus so the extra health will build up

[cunning urchin]

Get Unhealthy Fixation.

With Heartbreak Flourish, your Special will Charm enemies like 3/4 times.

Relentless Volley will add even more hits, and the best Attack hammers are also multi-hit.

[true prairie]

I normally only run aphro on single hit and try to get a stacking one on multis

so i had aphro on primary fire

[cunning urchin]

That's still good, though.

If you don't have a Flourish yet, get Heartbreak Flourish now to double-down on it.

Heartbreak Flourish does a lot of damage, too, so you're not losing out, really.

[true prairie]

The high heat vod dude laughed off olympian favor but my boon rarity has been trash recently, is dark foresight that much better?

Rip already lost that run

[cunning urchin]

High heat vod dude? lol

[true prairie]

Im garbage at this game so 32 heat is kicking my

butt

[cunning urchin]

Dark Foresight is pretty broken in how good it is.

[lucid oar]

Dark foresight is so good

If you don't get many boons, it doesn't matter how rare they are

[cunning urchin]

Dark Foresight didn't work at all in Early Access, so we were all using Olympian Favor, and... the builds we could get when they fixed (and buffed) Dark Foresight in 1.0 were genuinely broken relative to what we could normally do before.

It says +20%, but it changes the odds from 50/50 to 70/30.

So you actually get 40% more gold laurel rewards.

Well, a little less than that because minibosses are always gold laurels anyway, but the difference is huge anyway.

[static karma]

No dark foresight is at least half the reason RI2 hurts so much

[cunning urchin]

You can also stack ridiculous amounts of HP easily.

[static karma]

Yeah without DF you don’t get as many centaur hearts

[cunning urchin]

Getting 400+ HP at high heat was extremely rare. I don't even remember a single one tbh.

When 1.0 came out, we had like multiple runs with 400+ HP in the first weeks.

51 with Dark Foresight vs 52 Early Access with no Dark Foresight.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/836223465702817792/Hades_2400.png
https://imgur.com/a/EsKTVVp

[toxic siren]

I was playing around with guan you and the pierced butterfly i've gotten better. It feels like cheating with charged skewer

[silk hearth]

nice :)

[solemn wren]

Guys, I’m tryna fulfill the Gilgamesh Aspect prophecy
Any tips? Should I be going an Artemis build?

[dense lion]

Hmmm

I've been wondering that myself

Aphrodite is always good

[toxic siren]

is merciful end good? maybe?

[solemn wren]

Well, I’m thinking Artemis Dash might be good for Gilgamesh Aspect

[toxic siren]

heart rend is probably good as well

artemis would be nice

[dense lion]

Merciful End would be pretty great with the extra dashes

[toxic siren]

yeah probably

also that its broken

[dense lion]

LOL

Yeah

Fair point

[toxic siren]

hades gonna kill myself at that point

anyway

i just finished guan yu build, yay

[foggy prawn]

nice

[royal needle]

you could do a meme build and go ares dash on gilgamesh

[rigid rover]

I had level 9 legendary crush shot on beowulf and the damage was pretty underwhelming tbh

my attack boon was pretty bad but still

I had 5 casts as well. But beo aspect was only level 1 i guess

[lucid oar]

If you get mirage shot, you would have essentially had 10 casts

Mirage shot is bugged to be 100% damage on beowulf, instead of 30% damage

Additive bonuses really help as well, such as chaos and rush delivery

[turbid needle]

I think beo also takes a bit to get used to. its clunky and slow at first. if you keep rushing and reloading casts during the rush your dps gets a lot nicer

[lucid oar]

It definitely takes a lot to get used to. When the weapon first came out, nobody could play it well. It took a long time before people figured out how to go fast

[open wedge]

Turkısh language pls

[lucid oar]

Go to #hades-localization

[open wedge]

sorry

[lucid oar]

They said that it probably won't come, 300k words is a lot

It's fine, don't worry

[open wedge]

ty

[shadow lark]

quick question

generally, what keepsake should i go for in asphodel if my build is sorta complete?

usually i go for pom blossom in elysium and acorn/some damage keepsake in styx if i don't need anything else

but i have no idea what i should do in asphodel

[turbid needle]

I usually take purse or athena

earing is good if youre running SD

if you see a light of xion in the well chaos egg is also good

[shadow lark]

i see

never considered those options tbh

thanks!

[lucid oar]

You can also take lambent plume, it increases the chance of you seeing rush delivery or bad news

[turbid needle]

I didnt know it does that tbh

[lucid oar]

If it's high heat, I'd definitely still choose athena

[rigid rover]

why athena?

deflect dash?

[lucid oar]

And death defiances

[turbid needle]

athena is just too good

[raw blade]

if its higher heat then i think athena is more viable because survivability

[turbid needle]

its athena until ap2 then it stops being worth

[dense lion]

I've been wondering, do y'all take Trials of the Gods every chance you get? Or is that just me LOL 🤷

[silk hearth]

take it on low heat

its double the value

[dense lion]

Exactly! Haha

Although, I'm a little tired of seeing "Favored & Envied" after every run 😆

[errant narwhal]

It depends on who the gods are and where the trial is. Elysium trials are more risky than Tartarus trials for example. I also play on 20 heat which makes it riskier but I do need as many boons as I can get because I play with underworld customs

I finally got favored & envied once after seeing like a million death defier LOL

[dense lion]

Hahahaha

I did get that one once, I think that was my second clear? I was using a suboptimal build, but Eris and Patroclus carried me 😆

[lucid oar]

I didn't take any trials on my 50 heat clear, don't want to throw the run away having to deal with both BP2 enemies and the god attacks

[errant narwhal]

bp

[cunning urchin]

I take pretty much every trial at high heat except maybe in Elysium.

[worn meadow]

What are the best hammers for Eris?

[strange lark]

rocket bomb and cluster bomb

[worn meadow]

Like i once had to choose between triple and cluster

[cunning urchin]

Cluster then.

[raw blade]

cluster>rocket>triple>flurry shot i guess> the one which makes shots pierce

oops

homing shots

[strange lark]

where targeting system

[raw blade]

whatever that is

i dont remember the names of stuff

[strange lark]

targeting system makes enemies targeted by your special take extra damage and move slower

and the damage debuff to enemies is global

[raw blade]

ah

[lucid oar]

Rocket > cluster imo

Then delta > targeting > triple > flurry

I really like delta chamber

Gives you so much safety

[cunning urchin]

https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

Highly recommended.

[nimble plank]

some fun beowulf builds?

actually i have an idea for a build, gonna try it rn.

[fading nymph]

Passion Flare, Flood Flare, or Trippy Flare are good

Pash just has good damage

Flood can easily get mirage and iirc has bigger aoe

[nimble plank]

i wanna try dio + demeter duo.

[fading nymph]

Trippy hits the hardest but you need to use stygian soul

and with stygian you really want extra casts

Zeus also has a good duo with dio

[lucid oar]

Mirage shot is No1 priority

It deals double damage

[fading nymph]

big number

[nimble plank]

this build is coming together really well!
i even got zeus to help, now it's festive fog + lightnings + this chill effect, that's insane!

[fading nymph]

nice

[nimble plank]

this build is too powerful, took like 3 shots to defeat final boss.

[gaunt ivy]

why does cold embrace suck :(

i wish the beam at least pierced through zag