nice
#h1-builds-and-combat
strange lark
cunning urchin
I wish we'd get a "save Gilgamesh" patch.
turbid needle
#savegilgamesh
cunning urchin
It's been bad since they added it, and while it certainly became more fun through patches, it's still bad.
#savegilgamesh
turbid needle
you could remove the dmg buff enemies get on maim and it would still be bad 
cunning urchin
Yeah.
I think Maim would be a lot better if it was more like Hangover instead of Doom, but the damage actually goes up with every tick.
Up to like a certain number of ticks.
Something like that, I dunno.
Just so it actually does damage to all the trash mobs unlike now where it just takes forever to do anything, so the Maim damage might as well be 0.
digital adder
Whenever I fight against Hades, I see that little circle he makes and I dash immediately I see it but he gets me everytime even after I use double dash
how
cunning urchin
It only actually procs on bosses if anything.
You need to time your dashes, and you need to make sure you empty-dash.
strange lark
Whenever I fight against Hades, I see that little circle he makes and I dash imm...
maybe you are dash attacking
dash attacks have no iframes
cunning urchin
You don't have i-frames on your dash if you press Attack or anything mid-dash.
cunning urchin
Sounds like you're dashing too early.
A Dash-Attack is when you press Dash+Attack or Dash and then Attack.
strange lark
Or what do you mean by dash attacking
like uh... doing a dash attack
digital adder
Dashing and Clicking at the same time ?
turbid needle
I dont know which circle you mean but for shockwave and spin attack its actually safer to dash into them and past them
strange lark
dashing and then attacking
digital adder
I dont know which circle you mean but for shockwave and spin attack its actually...
Its Spin Attack
turbid needle
instead of trying to run away
strange lark
if you do it correctly you will do a different attack
turbid needle
yeah dash through him
cunning urchin
Phase 1 part 1 he has a very simple moveset and no summons. You can practice evading his attacks there. 
strange lark
like before he goes invulnerable for the first time during the fight
cunning urchin
He summons in phase 1 part 2 and phase 1 part 3.
digital adder
Ah, I don't have the issues with the 1st wave, the 2nd wave is where I get focused on too many things and get confused what to do, whether I need to dodge his spin attack or destroy those flaming skulls and kill the monsters he spawned.
cunning urchin
Phase 1 part 1 is the first 30% of his HP in phase 1.
Well, you can practice timing your dashes to i-frame his spins there.
digital adder
Is there a way to get a practice room as such ? Only a fight against Hades or smth
Or I have to do the run from bottom agian
again*
strange lark
no
cunning urchin
You can make a practice save if you're on PC.
strange lark
oh yeah you can do that
but you cant get a fight with hades without starting from the bottom
digital adder
I'm still surprised that I don't get bored of doing the same runs over and over.
cunning urchin
Get into the chamber you want to practice > backup your Profile1_Temp.sav. Replace Profile2.sav or whichever slot with your practice save.
Then just load your save from profile 2, do the fight, and when you die or win, just pause and Give Up, then you can do it again.
Save files are in \Documents\Saved Games\Hades
digital adder
Dionysus Cup / Artemis Arrowhead / Ares Vial / Athena Owl / Poseidon Shell or Zeus Signet, which one should I pick before I start my run ?
cunning urchin
nimble plank
Dionysus Cup / Artemis Arrowhead / Ares Vial / Athena Owl / Poseidon Shell or Ze...
usually depends on the weapon.
digital adder
Sword ?
nimble plank
most of the time it's aphrodite's for me tho.
no clue about sword builds, i'm sort of a beginner myself.
digital adder
I don't have Aphrodites one, haven't got the chance to give the gift I guess ?
cunning urchin
Oh, you should fix that asap.
If you don't want to be eaten my sacred crocodiles.
digital adder
Yeah but everytime I get her I don't get the chance
strange lark
> Get into the chamber you want to practice > backup your Profile1_Temp.sav. Rep...
Oh I didn't know you could do that
cunning urchin
Now you know.
digital adder
I always pick Athena, I get the divine dash pretty often.
digital adder
You always get the choice if you have Nectar.
Many times I don't have the option even when I have it
cunning urchin
Then look for Heartbreak Flourish, ideally, and get their Duo Boon.
nimble plank
i usually start my first runs with twin fists and try to get athena's divine strike and then get random stuff, trying to focus on poseidon and ares.
cunning urchin
Well, it's a 3/4 chance that she'll offer Deadly Strike on the first boon.
Decent enough.
If she doesn't offer it, take Hunter Dash.
nimble plank
What about Divine Strike ?
twin fists attack very fast and divine strike deflects attacks = ultimate defense.
digital adder
Breaching Slash or Double Nova ?
strange lark
Breaching
cunning urchin
Breaching Slash, yeah.
digital adder
I picked the Arrowhead but I got the upgrade hammer instead
nimble plank
i do that because that's the only build that i remember aside from bow + cast, i played a long time ago and i played very little, i had like 20 final boss kills, but then kinda quit and returned now.
cunning urchin
Well, you'll get Deadly Strike or Hunter Dash from the first boon you pick up from her 100% if you don't take any other boons prior to that.
digital adder
Oh so it has some effect whenever you change the boon and on the next chamber where I get a chance to get a boon again I'm more likely to get the boon from the one I choose ?
cunning urchin
Malphon with Divine Strike + Hunter Dash is the "Mewmew Special" lol. At least people started calling it that in Early Access. I had Malphon Heat WR with that at one point.
strange lark
Nice
nimble plank
i wanna remember some varatha builds rn, i completely forgot everything associated with that weapon, but it's still one of my favorites.
digital adder
Malphon ? Thats a first, whats that ?
strange lark
Fists
nimble plank
Malphon ? Thats a first, whats that ?
aspect of twin fists.
cunning urchin
Oh so it has some effect whenever you change the boon and on the next chamber wh...
No, it's just that Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash are priority boons. As long as you don't have those slots filled yet, any boon you pick up will 100% offer you 3 out of 4 of those boons.
strange lark
aspect of twin fists.
Malphon isnt an aspect, it's the name of the weapon
nimble plank
Malphon isnt an aspect, it's the name of the weapon
oops.
cunning urchin
And when you have at least one filled but you still have open priority boon slots, any boon you pick up will 100% offer at least one priority boon.
nimble plank
i just heard that line like 20 seconds ago in game and still forgot about it.
cunning urchin
Happens lol.
digital adder
So I have a sword, which room should I get the one where I can get Athena Boon or Artemis ?
cunning urchin
You haven't picked up any boons prior to that yet, right?
cunning urchin
Hmmm. Normally, Lady Artemis since you want her Attack. But you can also pick up Divine Flourish first from Lady Athena since you'll see Lady Artemis again in Tartarus at least once anyway since you have her keepsake equipped.
And taking Lady Athena now will put her in your god pool for the run, so she'll show up again. If you skip her now, you might not see her again unless you switch to her keepsake later.
Divine Flourish + Deadly Strike will unlock their Duo Boon.
And then you can take either Hunter Dash or Divine Dash.
digital adder
So I went in the Athena room, I picked Divine Dash, what I should look out for next
what skill I mean is a good combo for it
cunning urchin
Deadly Strike, Divine Flourish, then get their Duo Boon.
And don't pick up any Cast or Call that's not from either Lady Artemis or Lady Athena.
That will give you much better odds to get their Duo Boon.
digital adder
Is Demeter to any use?
cunning urchin
Sure, but don't take her Attack, Special, Cast, or Call.
She has nice stuff like Ravenous Will, Nourished Soul, or Snow Burst you can pick up from her.
cunning urchin
Sure, but don't take her Attack, Special, Cast, or Call.
Reason being that we're trying for a Deadly Reversal build (the duo between Lady Artemis and Lady Athena).
digital adder
Frost Flourish / Crystal Beam or Frozen touch ? I had only 1 door, had no other choice than pick Demeter
cunning urchin
Frozen Touch.
Flourish is her Special and Crystal Beam is her Cast. We want to avoid those.
digital adder
Reason being that we're trying for a Deadly Reversal build (the duo between Lady...
What other good DUO builds there are ?
cunning urchin
Errr... way too many. All the Duo Boons that add damage can be decent builds.
Merciful End is generally #1 for melee weapons.
Heart Rend is also amazing.
digital adder
Merciful End is for which Gods ?
strange lark
Ares and athena
cunning urchin
Deadly Reversal is great for melee, too, but falls behind Heart Rend and Merciful End.
Smoldering Air.
digital adder
I found that Poseidons Call is actually very good.
cunning urchin
Smoldering Air is the build I'd have recommended if you had yet.
digital adder
Aphrodite and ?
strange lark
Zeus
warm aspen
Just had a very good monthly challenge run, it was awesome
warm aspen
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warm aspen
Just had a very good monthly challenge run, it was awesome
I had 9 poseidon boons, and that's including the 2 legendary ones
cunning urchin
Congratulations! 
brisk widget
Any tips on Lucifer Rail build? I know to take Zeus' attack and Tidal Dash, and that's it.
boreal prism
You can put aphro/arte on special, that'll give you some ez big numbers
I'm not sure there's a wrong answer for luci special
brisk widget
The orbs feel weird so I don't really know what to use tbh.
boreal prism
They are definitely weird
Putting aphro/arte on them makes them feel the most like regular rail special i think
digital adder
Man, I haven't met Aphrodite in like 6 escape attempts..
turbid needle
she's a lady you need to offer her a rose 
turbid needle
I meet her too much
I haven't met the wing guy
In 15 attempts
hermes? sounds wierd bc hes guarenteed
languid forum
Yea
languid forum
on which weapon does aares attack work really well
shadow lark
my guess would be, something like rama bow or hestia rail
tbh i'm not the biggest fan of doom 
i usually only go for it on gilgamesh fists on the special
lucid oar
No Rama/Hestia uses Artemis/aphrodite
shadow lark
(then aphro attack for privileged status 
)
lucid oar
Ares attack is good on any weapon that is melee and dash strikes a lot, so fists and sword
languid forum
thanks
shadow lark
why specifically dash strike?
lucid oar
You can utilise ME
dusk comet
Ares attack is good on any weapon that is melee and dash strikes a lot, so fists...
doesnt doom also work on bow?
lucid oar
doesnt doom also work on bow?
Its good on Rama special but isn't on the attack
shadow lark
You can utilise ME
uuuh sorry, what is that again? 😅
lucid oar
Merciful end
dusk comet
true
lucid oar
Ares/Athena duo
lucid oar
Yep
shadow lark
gotcha
lucid oar
You need special as well, dash isn't a prerequisite
But after you have ME, getting the dash is very important
languid forum
what is a good aspect of rama build
silk hearth
aphro/arte attack, zeus/dio/ares special
triple shot or twin shot are the best hammers
languid forum
oo i just got twin shot
nice thanks
i got arte attack
and ill force ares special
digital adder
Any tips as to how I could get Aphrodite to spawn ? Its been like 7 runs now.
raw blade
use the keepsake perhaps
cunning urchin
Don't take god keepsakes from other gods, and avoid other gods when you can.
cunning urchin
use the keepsake perhaps
They're trying to get that.
raw blade
oh
digital adder
use the keepsake perhaps
Yeah thats what I'm trying to do, to get that keepsake lmao.
digital adder
Don't take god keepsakes from other gods, and avoid other gods when you can.
So instead taking keepsakes before escapes I should take something else ? In hopes that Aphrodite could spawn first ?
cunning urchin
Yeah.
You could also kindly ask her in her Discord. But she's asleep right now. That's probably why she's not showing up in your runs. https://discord.gg/aNwD6udwBg
digital adder
You could also kindly ask her in her Discord. But she's asleep right now. That's...
Lmao, what ? 😄
cunning urchin
That's Lady Aphrodite's Discord server.
You know, the main character of the game?
digital adder
Heartbreak Flourish / Crush Shot or Passion Dash ?
cunning urchin
What weapon are you using?
nimble plank
ares fists are overpowered, th is that damage.
royal needle
#804829371713847296 message whenever i need to get sea storm, im lucky to get it in styx, but now i get it on my third boon :|
digital adder
What weapon are you using?
If I had the choice to use different weapon than the sword I wouldn't. I will only use sword lol.
Just had escape run and had like 5 DUO skills.
jovial fulcrum
you'll get curious about the other infernal arms eventually, i'm sure
proper furnace
exclusive access early tartarus, this is gonna be nice
hushed burrow
does high tolerance stack?
jovial fulcrum
I'm not sure what you mean exactly.
But if you mean what I think you mean, then no.
It's 8 max hangover w/ LT, no matter what
without LT, or if they're not weak, its 5 max
strange lark
They are talking about high tolerance, the boon that makes festive fog give you x amount of damage resistance
And I don't think they stack
jovial fulcrum
gosh i forgot about that boon
worn meadow
Is Strong Drink and Urge to Kill multiplicative?
proven osprey
nope
worn meadow
So strong drink kinda acts like pom for the offensive skills?
proven osprey
Yeah that's a way of seeing things. But it's global damage so it's pretty good tbh
Unlike urge to kill
If you get it early ofc
Global damage being great when you get multiple sources of it : tidal dash, doom, jolted, hangover etc
Works well with flat damage
worldly fog
graceful pagoda
any advice on aspect of arthur tried it and get absolute wreck in elysium
fading nymph
You can dash in between strikes and keep up the combo
Really helps mobility
Get % boons for big number
graceful pagoda
yeah i guess all aim for aphrodite's for that
hermes attack speed boons also helps no?
boreal prism
Some chill effect helps me more than you might expect
woven ivy
hermes attack speed boons also helps no?
I don't really notice a huge difference
but yea for arthur you want to exploit dash strikes and the dash between the combo
boons I usually use are aphro attack or artemis attack, then maybe athena dash if i want to play safe
if youre aiming for duo boons, try going for artemis attack, aphro special/dash and heart rend imo
fading nymph
I don’t think divine dash is very needed if your using the aura well
woven ivy
true true
nimble plank
what cast has the most damage? is it aphrodite's?
turbid needle
dio has highest base dmg
nimble plank
thanks!
hushed burrow
dio has highest base dmg
I did a run with hera bow on dio flare, but i accidentally lost a DD in elysium so i lost just before i got hades
wraith token
what cast has the most damage? is it aphrodite's?
Dio has the highest base but takes time to throw if you're not using beowulf shield or hera bow
nimble plank
i got aphrodite's with artemis duo later and iw as using hera bow.
cunning urchin
Crush Shot is the best Cast for Hera.
scarlet yoke
Trippy works pretty well if you're using Stygian, right?
nimble plank
never thought sword would become one of my favorite weapons but poseidon aspect is just 🔥
real crest
Is aspect of Zagreus spear any good if so then with what build
strange lark
its not that good
you can do a flurry jab build just like achilles spear or you can do a special build
for the special build you should get artemis special with explosive launcher, once you get explosive launcher you should look out for charged skewer
nimble plank
any good guan yu builds? finally got it.
tacit canopy
yoo
nimble plank
i'll try to upgrade it fast then.
nimble plank
thanks!
real crest
I'd usually just use my charge attack and upgrade to the point where I can spam it quicky and dodge
The Again I usually die
dusk comet
what boon should i use with aspect of chiron
strange lark
you should use aphro attack and either artemis special or dio special
after you get those look for the duo boons
nimble plank
i tried guan yu right now and i did most of the game without getting hit.
but i lost all 3 death defiance on the elysium bossfight, but i got to phase 2 hades which i think is good.
what will be better for shield with chaos aspect and ares special? dio or aphrodite?
dusk comet
you should use aphro attack and either artemis special or dio special
i just tried the artemis special and the dmg was insane
distant anvil
Newbie question, where would you recommend allotting my first few splashes of Titan Blood?
lucid oar
Hera is good even at level 1, else the zag aspects are cheap
Zag shield/bow/rail are probably the best ones
fading nymph
piercing or concentrated volley on Chiron
young plume
Hello, new to the channel, is this the right room to ask for Charon boss fight tips?
fading nymph
Never fight him in tart, Aspho is eh but Elysium is best
In his first phase the side he stands on is the one the orbs will come from iirc so stay towards the other end if you can so you have more time to react
young plume
can they be deflected?
fading nymph
idk
young plume
ok thanks for those tips so far, i fought him once and lasted about 5 seconds in asphodel.
turbid needle
piercing or concentrated volley on Chiron
I know this is late, but you almost never want to take Piercing.
Concentrated is generally the best option for Chiron in any game state, but especially for builds with +% Specials.
fading nymph
is concentrated > relentless?
turbid needle
Also yes.
fading nymph
ok
turbid needle
Relentless is definitely the second-best option for +% builds.
Doesn't do much for Dionysus, but it doesn't hurt either.
proven osprey
It's good at bossing, sometimes concentrated has no value in rooms unfortunately
cunning urchin
Piercing Volley is great.
turbid needle
I don't like the way it messes with Chiron's range.
cunning urchin
Relentless and Piercing are great both in Heart Rend and in Low Tolerance builds.
Concentrated doesn't really do much for Low Tolerance builds.
turbid needle
There's also that weird anti-sweet spot if you shoot a locked Volley too close.
cunning urchin
Unless you get Flourish boons from Master Chaos.
turbid needle
Sour spot?
cunning urchin
Git gud spot? 
No but really the armor damage is great, and it destroys Greatshields and King Theseus.
young plume
hold on the armor damage wrecks shields too? i never really paid close enough attention, thanks for that!
cunning urchin
No, but piercing goes through shields.
young plume
oh ok
cunning urchin
They can't block your Volleys if you have Piercing Volley.
young plume
gotcha
fading nymph
Piercing messes with the range?
It doesn’t say anything about that in the description
worn meadow
Sometimes the chiron arrows circle around the target
fading nymph
Why is that?
deep lake
Genuinely don't know what to do here
they all seem like pretty minor buffs, don't know which is best
using rail btw
cunning urchin
Attack.
Wait no.
Flourish.
I thought that was Thunder Flourish for some reason lol.
Same color.
limber whale
good aspect for a Poseidon build? I'm attempting the Monthly Challenge
cunning urchin
You have to use Poseidon Aspect for the challenge.
cunning urchin
Good luck!
tepid holly
good aspect for a Poseidon build? I'm attempting the Monthly Challenge
whats that
monthly challenge
turbid needle
pins
dusk comet
what aspect is the strongest for stygius
lucid oar
what aspect is the strongest for stygius
Nemesis with double edge
raw blade
nemesis and arthur are my favourites on stygius
raw blade
Okay curse of longing is bad
idk what this is about
i think its great
lucid oar
Curse of longing is bad, it only works if you stop reapplying doom to an enemy, which you should basically never be doing
cunning urchin
It's not bad at all. The only problem with Curse of Longing is Merciful End.
lucid oar
Yeah it's not detrimental, it's just that there are so many better options
raw blade
so i was looking for the classic zeus attack and arte special build
and the only other god i got was dem
lucid oar
On Eris, since there are like 4 good options for special and 1 good option for dash, you force the dash usually
Artemis is the best on special, but aphro, dem and Athena are also pretty good
raw blade
athena huh
i got mostly for zeus or pos attack
if i get pos attack i go for a sea storms build
nimble plank
what are some good boons to go along with zeus build for eris rail?
lucid oar
Tidal dash
nimble plank
that's what i'm doing rn.
raw blade
the ones ur mainly looking for is jolted
lucid oar
Jolted, splitting bolt, hyper sprint + rush delivery, pressure points and hunters mark
nimble plank
i already have jolted.
nimble plank
i keep getting demeter and i don't think i need it.
raw blade
pressure points works with everything
lucid oar
Rav will is okay, same with nourished soul
raw blade
i keep getting demeter and i don't think i need it.
literally me in my last run
nimble plank
pressure points works with everything
true.
nimble plank
i had to take athena dash at the beginning.
raw blade
athena dash is pretty good
more to the defensive side but its fine
but with the rail i like more damage oriented stuff
nimble plank
i just never use rail so i thought it would work.
foggy prawn
What aspect is good for the rail gun?
raw blade
eris
turbid needle
Every Aspect is good, Eris and Hestia are the two strongest. Eris currently holds the world record for speedrun, Hestia has the world record for highest Heat on the Rail.
lucid oar
Eris has highest heat actually, but Hestia is still fantastic until you have to take damage control
solemn wren
Meanwhile me, who enjoys Zag Rail because I use attack spam
lucid oar
Zag rail is solid with spread fire, but it can't compete with Eris at the top level
cunning urchin
Hestia has the rail heat WR. Eris leads in seeded.
Hestia is a lot more reliable in unseeded than Eris at high heat.
raw blade
eris is more fun for me therefore 📈
cunning urchin
You'll have to link the image, not the message.
nimble plank
any good poseidon sword builds that don't involve aphrodite?
i use aphodite in almost all my builds, but i want to try something new.
strange lark
You can try lightning phalanx
cunning urchin
any good poseidon sword builds that don't involve aphrodite?
i use aphodite in a...
There are no good builds without Lady Aphrodite. They're all evil. 
nimble plank
You can try lightning phalanx
somebody actually uses phalanx shot? i thought it was the worst boon excluding hydraulic might.
strange lark
What
strange lark
Both of those are good
nimble plank
never found a use for those two.
strange lark
Hydraulic might is good if the other boon options are bad
But it's definitely not one of the worst boons in the game
cunning urchin
Worst boon in the game is Peer Pressure.
nimble plank
what about phalanx shot? i can see it being used as a defense, but... that's just strange.
turbid needle
Hydraulic Might is basically every speedrunner's dream if they're using a crit build.
lucid oar
Phalanx shot has crazy high base damage and scaling
cunning urchin
Speaking of Peer Pressure. Gilgamesh is the Peer Pressure of weapon aspects.
lucid oar
And lightning phalanx is really good too
cunning urchin
Phalanx Shot AOE is good, too.
lucid oar
Phalanx is probably the best lodging cast
nimble plank
strange but ok, gonna try that.
also i just realised i messed up, i meant nemesis sword.
strange lark
Use ME
lucid oar
Try double edge, or use ME
nimble plank
me?
lucid oar
Merciful end
nimble plank
i always get double edge.
turbid needle
Phalanx Shot has highest damage at Rare or higher of the 5 casts that lodge. Only Cast that has higher damage is Crush Shot when both are Common, and Trippy Shot.
nimble plank
Merciful end
i literally never get it, i have every single duo boon taken aside from this one.
nimble plank
i don't know, it doesn't show up.
i have all the necessary boons but it doesn't show up.
lucid oar
Use god keepsakes, use dark foresight, use fated persuasion, use gods legacy
nimble plank
i use all of that.
lucid oar
Apart from that it's just luck
cunning urchin
You'll need either Curse of Agony + Divine Flourish or Divine Strike + Curse of Pain to unlock Merciful End.
nimble plank
well that's what i get.
lucid oar
Preferably the former option as you can dash strike to proc doom
cunning urchin
Also fill your Cast and Dash slots, but don't take any boons that unlock any other Duo Boons with Lady Athena or Lord Ares.
And don't take any boons from those two that unlock their legendary.
nimble plank
i usually get curse of agony + divine flourish + divine dash + ares cast.
strange lark
Ares cast can mess it up since it unlocks 2 other boons
lucid oar
Taking +boon rarity from chaos can help
cunning urchin
Taking Blinding Flash will also help your odds of seeing Merciful End later from her.
cunning urchin
Ares cast can mess it up since it unlocks 2 other boons
No, that has no effect on Merciful End showing up.
strange lark
Oh ok
cunning urchin
Duo/legendary rolls come first.
Well.
exchange > priority boons > duo/legendary > epic > rare > common > fill the rest with whatever is available
Which is why you want to fill your priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, Dash)—and also take Blinding Flash out of the pool because t2 status curse boons have a 50% chance to be offered with priority.
Which means you get fewer rolls for Merciful End.
solemn wren
Wait
Does Exit Wounds activate when you special with Poseidon Sword?
cunning urchin
Yes.
solemn wren
boreal prism
i never get exit wounds on pos sword :(
restive imp
Hello ! I would like to unlock aspect of Arthur.
Aspect of Guan Yu is available but not unlocked.
I spent 5 blood in blade
Now I just need to spam nyx ? Or do I need to unlock GY ? Thanks !
cunning urchin
You don't need to spend any Titan Blood on Guan Yu to get Excalibur.
restive imp
Good, i just need to have it available right ?
cunning urchin
Requirements for hidden aspects are all pinned in #h1-story-discussion.
cunning urchin
Sure thing!
cunning urchin
@warm aspen @vale pier in the future, please don't use discord message links for your victory screen submissions for the Monthly Challenges. Use a direct link to the image or an image hosting site like imgur instead. I've updated the links in your previous submissions already.
restive imp
Hey guys ! finally unlocked arthur aspect sacrificing so much ressources lol ; which build would you recommend on it please ? 🙂
also, which hidden aspect should i target now ? I only unlocked Arthur
usually play chaos shield/eris rail
or poseidon sword (quite fun one)
torpid holly
Any tips for building the hades spect on the spear? im aware others are better i just really enjoy using hades spear. also can i use the spear debuff to proc privileged status?
@restive imp im new but i am enjoying the hades spear, and the aspect of demeter on the fists sorry but i dont have arthur yet so idk anything about that
restive imp
<@!145254503766163456> im new but i am enjoying the hades spear, and the aspect ...
thanks ! actually was wondering about hidden ones, but hades spear looks so fun
torpid holly
@restive imp ah gotcha, sorry lol, and yea its a blast although its not the best
proper furnace
Any tips for building the hades spect on the spear? im aware others are better i...
curses from weapons (i.e hades spear, rama bow, etc) dont count for p. status
torpid holly
@proper furnace thanks, thats what i was thinking but i couldnt find it on google and wasnt sure if i was just using the wrong boons
vale pier
<@!710132505923027045> <@!645488132095213579> in the future, please don't use di...
Will do! Sorry for the extra work
vernal gale
can you get a duo boon in a double boon trial of the gods?
turbid needle
no
paper flicker
would be kinda nice if you had extra chances of getting the duo of the two involved :)
turbid needle
but they are angry at each other
fading nymph
can you get a duo with another god that isn't the one they angy at?
real crest
but they are angry at each other
In a lot of the text when you get duo boons the gods are a bit mad at eachother
proven osprey
yeah but they're not like "ok zag you dead"
raw blade
they are
nimble plank
damn why is nemesis sword so overpowered?
i had the worst boon luck ever and gave up in early elysium but still won with 0 death defiance uses.
- it was the highest heat i tried (other weapons are like heat 3-4 and that was heat 9).
i wanted athena + ares build but i ended up using ares + aphodite + artemis.
silk hearth
its pretty strong compared to the other sword aspects, but there r weapons that r "stronger" than nemesis
proven osprey
it's strong when you don't really know how to build an aspect because you have innate crit
so you're always gonna deal some damage
I kinda spammed Nemesis in my early days too, was much stronger than others because of that
nimble plank
special + dash-strike + dash-strike.
i think that's the fastest way to deal damage with this sword when you have some status effect like ares on attack + dio on special or aphro on attack and ares on special.
silk hearth
btw ive seen some ppl mention ares attack on sword, is that good when u can build % boons instead
lucid oar
It's only better than Artemis if you have ME
silk hearth
ah yes i forgot about the good old ME
hushed burrow
btw, do monthly challenges have to be completed on the month or can I submit one for one before?
nimble plank
i wanna try them but i'm not skilled enough for 10+ heat settings.
turbid needle
im pretty sure the one for this month doesnt require heat 🤔
cunning urchin
btw, do monthly challenges have to be completed on the month or can I submit one...
You're free to submit runs for previous months.
runic sail
Hey guys has someone actually found a good use for Aegis Daedalus Upgrade „Explosive Return“? Seems so bad to me
lucid oar
Hey guys has someone actually found a good use for Aegis Daedalus Upgrade „Explo...
It's good when used with Zeus special, or any other percentage special. It's also pretty broken with dashing flight, the +200% damage applies to the explosion as well
On its own it's decent but not overpowered
nimble plank
any good demeter builds?
it's the least used god in my builds and i want to try something with chill.
lucid oar
Chiron with frost flourish and arctic blast is pretty fun
runic sail
any good demeter builds?
it's the least used god in my builds and i want to try ...
If you like Zeus aspect on Aegis Demeter is so great because Aegis slows down the enemy while eating away on them
cunning urchin
Main use for her boons is splashing Ravenous Will and Snow Burst in Cast builds, especially Hera and Beowulf.
nimble plank
i want to try beowulf but i need to unlock it.
lucid oar
Beowulf is so powerful
nimble plank
Chiron with frost flourish and arctic blast is pretty fun
thanks, i think i'll try that one (i have 0 victories with bow so it's time to change that).
lucid oar
It doesn't seem like it, but watch some speedruns/high heat runs
nimble plank
i want to try some demeter duo boons, but most of them are cast.
cunning urchin
Cold Fusion is great.
nimble plank
yeah that's the only non-cast duo boon (aside from the death defiance one).
i'm gonna try demeter + zeus on some weapon.
lucid oar
Ice wine is pretty fun
raw blade
beowulf is fun af
especially with the shooty bull rush
it just becomes a bow that can block
cunning urchin
Charged Shot.
glossy grove
are there rewards for the challenge?
errant narwhal
nope
strange lark
i would go aphro attack with either artemis special or artemis cast to get heartrend
and then hunters dash
shadow lark
isn't dash strike on the bow weaker than a regular attack tho?
does dash strike compensate for that?
nimble plank
i'm gonna try demeter + zeus on some weapon.
just tried it with fists and it didn't go well at all.
zeus and demeter only appeared 2 times.
dusk comet
how do i build rama bow?
strange lark
use either aphro attack or artemis and get zeus, ares, or dio on your special
boreal prism
rama loves more damage on attack, because that's what the mechanics benefit from the most
if one of the options is "more damage on attack" then the other options are usually wrong
nimble plank
pov: zeus forgot that he is a part of the game.
i got lightning strike in styx.
most of the damage was through tidal dash, it was destroying both normal enemies and bosses.
hushed burrow
i just was offered two athena boons(styx shop) one for 450, one for 150, I could afford both, I needed a dd, and I had invested in brilliant riposte for the legendary, so I was pretty confident i would get at least 1 THING I COULD USE
nope
cunning urchin
i just was offered two athena boons(styx shop) one for 450, one for 150, I could...
Looking at your victory screen, you had two Duo Boons with Lady Athena unlocked in her pool, and you had empty priority slots. The odds of finding specifically Divine Protection were pretty bad.
balmy star
so im doing my first run with poseidon aspect, i've got exit wounds and mirage shot
i'm about to face [redacted] and i have the choice of greater recall or rush delivery (100%), what do i pick?
does the 0 recall delay count as a dislodge? would i be doing more damage with that than if i had rush?
lucid oar
Do you have hyper sprint?
balmy star
not even
solemn wren
Greater Recall will help get the casts back and you’re using Poseidon Aspect
lucid oar
If you have hyper sprint then its 100% RD, if you dont, then take greater recall
solemn wren
And since you don’t have Hyper Sprint, you can’t really se rush delivery
solemn wren
i have greater haste
Nyoooooooom
lucid oar
It’s not great, only 40% extra damage isn’t better than instant casts
lament wraith
how do i build rama bow?
Zeus special on rama rocks
balmy star
you'd think greater recall is the obvious choice, but what of the exit wounds mechanic? does that also apply?
lucid oar
Greater recall only activates once casts have left the enemy
So yes, exit wounds still applies
solemn wren
you'd think greater recall is the obvious choice, but what of the exit wounds me...
I think so
balmy star
so both of you would pick GR over RD correct?
lucid oar
so both of you would pick GR over RD correct?
Yes
balmy star
ok word, thanks friends
time to laser redacted 
i'll post in victory boast once im done
so you can see the full build
eta probably less than 4 mins?
fading nymph
I was wondering why I was having a hard time getting the duos I wanted
and then I realized I forgot to switch my mirror to legacy
and had been using pride for the past 5 runs
pain
dense lion
Well, I've cleared with all of the weapons except the bow. I struggle so hard to enjoy my runs with Zagreus aspect, and I've saved up some blood. So, which aspect would you reccomend for someone who isn't a fan of Zag bow?
Between Chiron and Hera
sterile fiber
guess it depends on what you didn't like about Zag bow
I prefer Hera over Chiron because I like one single-target and one spread fire
though I've played Chiron exactly once, and it was a joke run
raw blade
i like chiron but i have problems with dealing with masses
for single enemies chiron is excellent
dense lion
I think I'm going to take Hera for the sheer shenanigans you can get up to
raw blade
hera is fun
echo helm
i need to try hera
raw blade
my second favourite bow aspect
sterile fiber
Get Aphrodite's shot and go nukey
raw blade
yeah hera goes bonkers with aphro
dense lion
Really? I was gonna try Artemis' first LOL
raw blade
there's no wrong choice here
sterile fiber
try them all
raw blade
its all about what you have the most fun using
fading nymph
aphro is whats usually done with Hera
dense lion
Yeah, I've been wanting to make Zag into cupid so I think I go Aphro for my next run 🙃
raw blade
poseidon cast is also pretty fun
dense lion
I just did a Poseidon cast build (with Artemis passives and Pos Aspect) and absolutely shredded
It would be interesting to see that with Hera
sterile fiber
now I'm motivated to do a Hera fun run
raw blade
nice
dense lion
I gotta be up for work at 7
raw blade
better sleep
dense lion
Yeah, I really should
Thanks for helping me decide, and I wish you all luck with your Hera fun while I toil away keeping books at a grocery store 😂
sterile fiber
later!
dusk comet
i just had the most painful run ever with rama and explosive+twin/shot
that thing takes years to charge and 1 tick of damage to cancel
fading nymph
Explosive shot Rama 
hushed burrow
Looking at your victory screen, you had two Duo Boons with Lady Athena unlocked ...
oh boi, guess i still have to master boon mechanics then
i had the priority slots open because i had played shackle up untill then
cunning urchin
Probably fewer than 0.1% of players can claim they have mastered that part of the game.
hushed burrow
i think I still had a pretty good chance to get the legendary though, i mean I rerolled both boons, meaning there were 4 chances for it to appear
cunning urchin
Each roll had a 15% chance for the 150 boon and 13% for the 450 boon.
cunning urchin
Would have been 20% each roll if you had all priority slots filled.
Compared to 50% if you had all priority slots filled and no other Duo Boons unlocked
hushed burrow
oh huh
cunning urchin
30% if you had no priority slots filled, no Blinding Flash, and no other Duo Boons unlocked.
Unlocking other duos/legendaries than the one you want hurts your chances a lot.
hushed burrow
shoulda kept the parting shot then, woulda had a higher chance dispite having less money
hushed burrow
is parting shot good though?
hushed burrow
i feel like it's aphro's weakest asset
turbid needle
No way, Curse of Longing.
Parting Shot, if you have any number of backstab bonuses, is a monster damage increase for certain Cast builds.
hushed burrow
oh, i actually kind of liked curse of longing
turbid needle
It's pretty cool in concept.
turbid needle
Honestly, yeah.
cunning urchin
Merciful End, Gilgamesh, and EM4 are like the three things m not happy with.
turbid needle
I could still go for a Lightning Rod mix-up.
And possibly Stubborn Roots.
I'm just not thrilled on Duos being tied to particular Mirror choices.
cunning urchin
Lightning Rod is pretty decent now.
turbid needle
I agree, I don't like being locked out of it due to preferring Stygian Soul.
Imagine if God's Legacy disabled Merciful End.
cunning urchin
That would be great.
turbid needle
It would "balance" Merciful End, I guess.
hoary slate
it would just increase the necessary highroll further
cunning urchin
Meta for ME is Gods' Pride, anyway.
cunning urchin
It would "balance" Merciful End, I guess.
Not really, but put "remove" and "Merciful End" in one sentence, and I'll root for it.
turbid needle
Instantly fires any Doom effect when hit with a Deflecting attack.
Use Malphon, Curse of Agony, Divine Flourish and Dash, hold down Attack and mash Dash.
cunning urchin
AND adds 40 damage on top of that.
cunning urchin
It's broken, yes.
turbid needle
It could add 0 damage and still be broken.
hushed burrow
haven't tried it yet
cunning urchin
It's not just its own effect, it's that you can add Impending Doom with zero downside and like immediately double your Doom damage.
While your Doom already goes off immediately, essentially.
turbid needle
It's also one of the few builds that's definitively better with Privileged Status for a little extra oomph.
hoary slate
because making a broken build better is so valuable
turbid needle
Not like it's beating Eris' times yet.
cunning urchin
I dunno about Privileged Status. You'd need Blinding Flash on top of everything else.
turbid needle
Maybe I'm optimistic.
worn meadow
Does Zeus Attack consider for Double Lightning bolt and zeus Legendary?
turbid needle
No, Lightning Strike leads to Storm Lightning, extra jumps.
You need Special, Dash, or Call for Double Strike.
worn meadow
I mean if i got them already
hoary slate
Legendary works though
worn meadow
Does it trigger the legendary or double strike? Or only triggered by “from the sky” lightning?
hoary slate
should not trigger double, but does trigger the legendary
it says on what effects it triggers on the text btw
cunning urchin
But Eris is an aspect. Optimizing Eris requires really optimizing its mechanics. Merciful End is a build that dominates every melee aspect and makes aspect mechanics essentially obsolete. You're not playing the aspect anymore, you're playing Merciful End.
turbid needle
You're the expert, but I think Malphon does have a distinct advantage over every other weapon in using Merciful End, which even involves narrowing down either Zagreus or Demeter.
Or do we not take Cluster Rockets and Tidal Dash for their very high base values which are pushed even further by Eris?
scarlet yoke
You'd think high-level Dem would emphasise skilful use of Final Cutter with the proper boons
But ME does do enough damage fast enough to make other attacks obsolete, apparently
cunning urchin
Sword meta is all ME. Pretty sure ME is optimal even on Poseidon lol. Spear meta is all ME except for Achilles. Shield meta is ME + Beowulf. Malphon meta is ME on all aspects.
People have competitive ME times on bow and rail lol.
hoary slate
good things don't dominate metas, broken things do
scarlet yoke
It's independent of the weapon simply because neither element of it really depends on the weapon to work. And how would that possibly be nerfed?
hoary slate
instead of immediate trigger only reduce the time or or or
scarlet yoke
What about it just amplifies the damage without doing the thing that makes it unique
cunning urchin
Instead of adding 40 bonus damage, a penalty would be more appropriate.
Same mechanic but only 80% damage. Something like that.
scarlet yoke
Yeah, even as a single boon it feels like it's doing too much at once
Only amplifying the damage, but letting the amplification stack... would that be too powerful?
cunning urchin
That's just better Dire Misfortune.
turbid needle
good
lucid oar
Funnily enough, the two weapons that only run ME are slower than every other weapon
So while it is extremely good on many aspects, the reset-heavy nature of it makes it less appealing to grind out
cunning urchin
People also genuinely don't like ME, I think.
When you see somebody post a top time with ME on an aspect that has other good builds, you always see a lot of "ew" "gross" "please no" etc.
Like, people play Nemesis for crits, not for ME.
turbid needle
yeah broken and overused things tend to get boring i suppose
jovial fulcrum
its just really sketchy to set up sometimes
and if you don't get it your build is kind of butt
turbid needle
nah ppl fawn over other duos all day
proven osprey
I prefer the zeus poseidon for Malphon, gameplay wise
Even though tidal for Demeter felt a bit annoying with the dash upper
But on Talos, really nice
nimble plank
first time trying zeus aspect on shield, doesn't seem so powerful.
any good builds?
silk hearth
yea
nimble plank
literally the best aspect on shield
beowulf: 
silk hearth
lol that too
raw blade
yes
rigid rover
What’s a big damage Beowulf build that’s not too hard to get going
cunning urchin
What’s a big damage Beowulf build that’s not too hard to get going
Passion Flare, then get Mirage Shot.
And all the poms you can get on your Cast.
+1 ammo or Cast damage from Master Chaos.
Tidal Dash and Deadly Strike would be optimal for unlocking Mirage Shot.
Charged Shot is best hammer.
Heart Rend and Sweet Nectar are decent, too.
rigid rover
Would you start with Aphrodite item?
rigid rover
Can I put Poseidon on my special, Rn I cannot with without Athena dash
cunning urchin
Smoldering Air is always great, too, if you run into Lord Zeus along the way.
You shouldn't need it. Beowulf can kill everything in one bull rush.
rigid rover
Does it matter what rarity my aphro cast is?
cunning urchin
Not really, no.
Tidal Dash does some crazy damage itself.
Ravenous Will and Snow Burst from Lady Demeter are great pick-ups, too.
rigid rover
So I need total dash to get mirage shot?
paper flicker
so the zagreus aspect for the spear, i’m assuming that it’s special damage, special range, and special speed? or is it special damage, general range, general speed?
lucid oar
so the zagreus aspect for the spear, i’m assuming that it’s special damage, spec...
Special damage, special range, special speed
nimble plank
any gilgamesh builds?
i'm aware it's the worst aspect in the game, but i still want to try it.
strange lark
splash dash with a bunch of t2 poseidon boons and sea storm
proper furnace
testing beo with snow burst, is fun so far 
also got poseidon and artemis so im set
paper flicker
aka “weapon sucks, don’t rely on it”? :)
paper flicker
splash dash with a bunch of t2 poseidon boons and sea storm
to that ↑
nimble plank
any gilgamesh builds?
i'm aware it's the worst aspect in the game, but i still w...
no idea how but i managed to win with those.
lost all death defiances in elysium.
ancient mauve
my main problem with elysium is the god's intervention.
some are easier than others
strange lark
aka “weapon sucks, don’t rely on it”? :)
Yeah the weapon isn't good so it's better to just spam dash with a powerful dash boon
nimble plank
tidal dash alone can deal more damage than most builds that's crazy.
raw blade
I thing gilga with ares dash, doom attack, weak special is fun
fading nymph
I think gilg is fun when you just play a different weapon
nimble plank
i wonder if developers will change gilg.
real crest
I think gilg is a fun weapon lt not being powerful to me seems like just another thing that happens to be, like some aspect e.g zag spear are not good same with gilg
lucid oar
At least zag spear has good hammers
real crest
Still a fun weapon with rapid dash
real crest
At least zag spear has good hammers
Wdym
lucid oar
Zag spear has exploding launcher and flurry jab, Gilgamesh doesn't have any good hammers to save it
real crest
But gilg is just different and nobody has designed what boons and hammers to take with it
Like exploding upper would be good
boreal prism
well, lucifer is "just different"
lucid oar
Like exploding upper would be good
It's not really because the dash upper of Gilgamesh isn't that good
real crest
I dislike Lucifer more than gilg
boreal prism
I'm not sure gilg has hidden depths, if that's what you're implying
real crest
It's not really because the dash upper of Gilgamesh isn't that good
Yes it applies the maimed
lucid oar
And makes you take more damage
lucid oar
Its not a very powerful one then
strange lark
The attacks of gilg are way too slow and clunky
real crest
Beo makes you take more damage and spear makes you have less health
strange lark
And the damage from gilg is not good
real crest
Well now I have to lab out a gilg build to prove you all wrong
strange lark
The explosion from maim takes way too long to activate
lucid oar
But both beo and GY have a very powerful kit, gilga doesnt
nimble plank
just got legendary zeus boon on chamber 12.
shame i still don't have his attack because i use rail.
boreal prism
it's not the increased damage taken that makes gilg bad, you're right
strange lark
The dashes from gilg are shortened for some reason
lucid oar
And you can't spam them
boreal prism
I like gilg, I think it's fun to play
real crest
Whenever I unlock gilg in my new save I'm gonna lab out a good build
boreal prism
but as far as like, upper limits of power, its mechanics limit it
lucid oar
Whenever I unlock gilg in my new save I'm gonna lab out a good build
Trust me, no amount of labbing will discover a build on Gilgamesh that isn't better on another aspect
boreal prism
I mean... i wanna see people try, because I'm curious
can ideal gilg do better than tidal dash gilg
lucid oar
Yes, but not by much
real crest
Ares Special + Dio Attack is totally broken. Get the Doom Delay boon and put a few levels into Doom damage and delay boost. Athena Dash (for defense), Hermes Dash (or Sturdy, or Attack Speed) and then you can basically pick whatever 4th Olympian you want (Artemis's critical chance is helpful for big Doom dmg).
If you luck into the +25% dmg against Maimed foes, watch your Doom do 1000+ a tick.
Dash-Special into the mob. Flurry of Hangover stacks. Move onto the next mob, since the one you just hit is gonna die
Found this on Reddit
real crest
At least zag spear has good hammers
Rending claws
real crest
You can get a plus 100 to damage without boons
lucid oar
It's not a downgrade, but you shouldn't be using maim at all
boreal prism
hey you know what would make gilg good
strange lark
It's not a downgrade, but you shouldn't be using maim at all
Yeah
boreal prism
what if maim counted as a status effect for privileged status
lucid oar
hey you know what would make gilg good
If you could spam the dashes and if the dash strike did more damage, ie double
loud dock
Any good beginners guide for shield? I can do ~5 heat with other weapons, but shield and me don't click.
lucid oar
Any good beginners guide for shield? I can do ~5 heat with other weapons, but sh...
Block, also charged shot is really good
boreal prism
yeah definitely learn how the blocking works
loud dock
Do you only block when charging?
lucid oar
Yes
loud dock
Okay
lucid oar
Beowulf > Zeus > Zag > chaos imo
strange lark
yeah
lucid oar
For Beowulf you get either passion flare or flood flare, put loads of poms in it, then get mirage shot
lucid oar
Both are good builds
turbid needle
god I thought pp man and pp boy were the same users
proven osprey
nah it's just the pp family
lucid oar
I hope that stands for pressure points
proven osprey
of course
strange lark
god I thought pp man and pp boy were the same users
nice
strange lark
I hope that stands for pressure points
it does
turbid needle
cunning urchin
god I thought pp man and pp boy were the same users
Which god?
turbid needle
?
nimble plank
pp god?
turbid needle
all of them at once
fading nymph
maybe whenever somebody says god all the Olympians argue about their talking about
shadow lark
wait
i just read that conversation, and have to ask
why exactly are gilgamesh fists bad?
personally, i like them the best out of any fists
raw blade
the attack is clunky and maim is not a very good status effect
fading nymph
Slow, clunky, maim is the worst thing ever
shadow lark
the attack is clunky and maim is not a very good status effect
well it's not the quickest thing ever, i'll give you that
boreal prism
It's bad compared to like, playing the other weapons optimally
shadow lark
but sitting at 40 damage feels good to me tbh
fading nymph
it takes everything that makes the fists good and takes it away
and keeps all the bad
boreal prism
It's the worst, but it's not the worst by THAT much
strange lark
why exactly are gilgamesh fists bad?
the attack is too slow and clunky, dash strikes deal no damage, maim makes you take extra damage, the damage increase from maim is not that high, the explosion from maim takes way too long to activate, the dashes are shorter for some reason
lucid oar
You want hyper sprint + rush delivery from Hermes, swift strike doesnt affect dash strikes
fading nymph
or extra dahses
shadow lark
also i don't really mind maim?
yeah sure, you take more damage. But i vividly remember someone in this server telling me once "at higher levels of play, people will just focus more on not taking damage than healing". And yeah, that is comparing healing to evading, but still. If you never take damage, then maim is just damage
fading nymph
bad news also good bc of a coding error making it global damage isntead of cast
ahh yes
just dont get hit
raw blade
classic
lucid oar
also i don't really mind maim?
yeah sure, you take more damage. But i vividly re...
Compare maim's +25% damage with the Eris buff
raw blade
but then u do get hit
fading nymph
why didn't I think of that
boreal prism
Half the hidden aspects make you take more damage! It's not the taking more damage that's the real weakness to gilg
raw blade
maim is just a measly amount of extra damage for a whopping 100% extra damage to you
gilga needs a buff
shadow lark
last time i checked it's 50%
raw blade
pretty sure its 100
strange lark
yeah its 50% extra damage
lucid oar
It's 50
fading nymph
thing is Guan Yu actually gives you good damage compared to the other spears
strange lark
yeah
shadow lark
ye
fading nymph
And Beo is good enough that the trade off is fine
raw blade
beo is fun
shadow lark
well tbh, to me at least, i feel like the tradeoff is fine
raw blade
i dont particularly hate gilga but the attack gets annoying
fading nymph
what do you gain from your attack becoming slower and clunky and dash strike becoming useless
shadow lark
i remember slapping on doom special and aphro attack on gilg fists. I destroyed everything in my path with i think over 200 damage base attacks at one point, and ended up getting my quickest run so far with them
lucid oar
Going from base shield to Beowulf, you get a huge upgrade to your kit with only a slight downgrade to damage taken. With gilga, you get a worse moveset with no benefits, because the dashes are shorter and are not spammable
fading nymph
how is it not worse
lucid oar
Pretty much the whole speedrunning community
strange lark
yeah
lucid oar
And high heat
raw blade
well worse from whose point of view?
half the community
fading nymph
there is no situation where gilg is good
raw blade
there is one actually
lucid oar
The only one is dash%
raw blade
if u want to do a dash damage only thing
lucid oar
But that's so niche
fading nymph
yeah
boreal prism
You CAN have strong builds with gilg
You CAN win with gilg
But it would be easier and stronger with other aspects
I like gilg, it's fun
fading nymph
you can win with anything
fading nymph
but some wepons will pull much more weight
boreal prism
I just don't want people to think that there's an unplayable weapon
In any game there's bound to be a worst option
shadow lark
ok, so yeah. Worse for speedrunning, can't dispute that. Numbers are numbers. High heat i don't really have any experience in (heat 6 here)
so i say, fair enough
raw blade
if its fun yeah sure go ahead
shadow lark
i really just wanted to understand if it was bad from an opinions standpoint or bad from a speedrunning/meta point of view
boreal prism
Don't let people here make you take off the paws
raw blade
nothing is bad in this game
strange lark
but there is one thing
raw blade
the game is well balanced
strange lark
gilgamesh
raw blade
of course
fading nymph
exept heavy knuckle
strange lark
yeah heavy knuckle is like using gilgamesh
strange lark
yeah i think so
raw blade
heavy knuckle?
fading nymph
hammer
shadow lark
i tried it once
strange lark
it can be good
fading nymph
explosive rama
strange lark
but there are better options
shadow lark
feels like rama but worse imo
shadow lark
with rama
fading nymph
shadow lark
raw blade
death
strange lark
yeah i tried fighting the archers in elysium with it
fading nymph
explosive zag bow sounds interesting
lucid oar
Explosive Hera really helps with AOE
boreal prism
Explosive shot rama is my favorite way to play rama no joke
strange lark
nice
boreal prism
Feels like a whole different game
strange lark
yeah
boreal prism
I wish rama was that slow and powerful by default
strange lark
after i finished the run with explosive shot on rama the normal attack felt really fast
raw blade
yes
opal lodge
explosive shot rama is a meme
turbid needle
I'm concinved its less dps unless you got another strong attack hammer like point blank or triple
because im always slower with it
opal lodge
think you need triple
point blank kinda does nothing for explosive i think
or twin i suppose
proven osprey
you need innate crit
lucid oar
My Rama any% pb has explosive lmao
turbid needle
I did have crit on my 55 but timed out pretty harshly
cunning urchin
also i don't really mind maim?
yeah sure, you take more damage. But i vividly re...
Speaking as the first person who took Gilgamesh into high heat, you'll never not take damage with Gilgamesh.
The attack speed when doing the combo is fine, but the DPS from that is well behind what other Malphon aspects can do. And the uncancelable attack recovery is bad. How many times do you try to take your reward after an encounter and have to wait for your attack to recover first? No other aspect in the game has that kind of long recovery.
Applying Maim is easy enough, but it's literally more of a buff to enemies than a debuff. You're often hurting yourself more than you're helping. Think about it: if I had a bard in my party in an MMORPG who buffs my party damage by 25% but buffs enemy damage by 50%, I'd kick them out of the party.
The Maim damage kicks in way too late. You're essentially only ever getting that on bosses, and not even in all phases, or Satyr tunnel minibosses. Everything else should be dead long before that.
And minidashes are bad.
raw blade
dang
the fact that this whole paragraph follows all punctuation and grammar is mind blowing
shadow lark
grammar gud
cunning urchin
That's four paragraphs.
shadow lark
raw blade
😔
cunning urchin
It's not that it's unplayable. The aspect is perfectly viable for high heat. But it's... not good.
proven osprey
yeah kinda helps to make it look serious
cunning urchin
And clearly the worst Malphon aspect.
shadow lark
the only thing i can argue in all of that is the uncancellable attack recovery. Tbh i've not had a problem yet, but well, keyword there is probably yet
cunning urchin
Some aspects in Early Access were worse than Gilgamesh is now.
turbid needle
it's design is just so counterintuitive
proven osprey
yeah you feel that issue at higher heats
shadow lark
cuz of tight deadline?
lucid oar
Some aspects in Early Access were worse than Gilgamesh is now.
What ones are those?
proven osprey
when you commit and take 40 damage because you though attacking was nice
turbid needle
I found maim unusable at high heat
proven osprey
"oh yeah, the attack input. Well, never again"
turbid needle
and just slapped dmg reduction on
proven osprey
I think maim is the best attack of the move set
cunning urchin
Bow Special was unusable in EA.
turbid needle
bow was pretty bad yeah
cunning urchin
Chiron was pretty damn awful.
shadow lark
huh, why is that?
hot venture
but bow music
lucid oar
Still don't know why they nerfed Chiron in November
cunning urchin
Because the Special had way too much recovery.
proven osprey
Imagine Magnil with a full power Chiron 👀
lucid oar
Imagine if magnil got that seed using a meta aspect 👀 sub 5:30
cunning urchin
Pressing Special practically guaranteed you were gonna get hit.
cunning urchin
Still don't know why they nerfed Chiron in November
Because we put out like 5-10 or something Chiron Heat WRs in one night like a day or two after 1.0 dropped, with no prior practice. Nerf was well-deserved tbh.
lucid oar
Oh damm
I think I was still in the stage of the game where I had like level 2 Chiron, so I wish I could have tried it
cunning urchin
It's still one of the easiest aspects to play. It doesn't also need to be one of the strongest.