the waiting time on infernal is years
#h1-builds-and-combat
boreal prism
something that does lodge, ideally
you can combo pretty well with aphro cast
because it's so up close
cunning urchin
Stygian Soul can use more casts/second than Infernal Soul if the Casts don't lodge.
If the Casts lodge, Infernal can cast way more often in most encounters because you can pick up your Casts immediately after killing an enemy thar has bloodstones lodged into it.
Infernal has more burst damage.
But Stygian generally benefits way more from extra ammo.
There are some clips of the Hades fight with 20+ bloodstones lodged into him. That's only possible with Stygian Soul.
fading nymph
If I go crush shot what other gods should I take
storm ivy
There are some clips of the Hades fight with 20+ bloodstones lodged into him. Th...
I’m gonna check these out. What casts don’t lodge? Just dio, ares and Demeter right?
echo helm
think so
cunning urchin
Blizzard Shot and Curse of Drowning don't lodge, either.
narrow rampart
Upgrading Hera bow with titan blood only affects casts that lodge right
I've been running a dio cast build with Hera bow and it works really well, but I don't think the drop time decrease affects the fog
echo helm
the fog is usually after the cast so it doesnt
worn meadow
Guys how to make fists work?
Like isnt the game too dash attacky to take advantage of the press attack to attack alot
boreal prism
You just punch
More seriously, with fists you want a flat damage effect
So that you can do it over and over very fast
tame bison
Guys how to make fists work?
Zeus strike, punch a lot, don’t mess up your iframes by dashing and trying to attack (just plain dash)
Also, non-armored enemies get “mini stunned” by attacks so if you continually punch a non-armored enemy, it just never attacks you and dies. (This translates to punchx3, dash to reset combo, punchx3, etc)
worn meadow
My two weakest runs are sword and fists
And by runs i mean i cannnot beat Theseus and Bull with them hahaha
storm ivy
Zeus strike, punch a lot, don’t mess up your iframes by dashing and trying to at...
is the iframe thing true for all the different fist aspects? I usually just hold down attack the whole time while i let ME go crazy lol
cunning urchin
It's true for all weapons. You need to empty-dash if you want i-frames.
But you'll want to Dash-Strike a lot, anyway.
I wrote a quick guide for Demeter Aspect here, the other Malphon aspects play very similar: #h1-builds-and-combat message
turbid needle
Zagfists pog
worn meadow
Guys ive got the Artemis+Demeter Crystal Duo (Beam is fast)
Would the Aphrodite+Demeter (Beam follows you) be a Nonbo?
cunning urchin
You can't get Cold Embrace if you have Crystal Clarity nor vice versa.
worn meadow
Okeii
Man Artemis legendary and the Artemis Demeter combo is insane hahaha
Lazeers
worn meadow
Guys
I have a Chiron Bow
Would Thunder Flourish strike multiple times per special hit or once per special cast?
hoary slate
It strikes on the hit, but it has a cooldown, which results in i think 2 sometimes 3 procs per special
worn meadow
What would you guys recommend Thunder Flourish Heroic or Artemis Flourish Epic?
silk hearth
artemis
worn meadow
Okeii thanks
verbal prism
Is there a good rama bow build?
silk hearth
aphro/arte on attack, tag all enemies with special then hit them with attack
triple or twin shot are the best hammers, zeus/dio/ares is good on special
main dmg should come from attack so rmb to attack instead of spamming special all the time
spare flare
What are the good Achilles builds, nowadays?
cunning urchin
Tidal Dash > Deadly Strike or Lightning Strike.
And Flurry Jab.
That is, you actually start with Tidal Dash.
And pick up a high base damage Cast for bosses, too, but which one specifically doesn't matter too much.
spare flare
You start with Tidal Dash? That's new. What's the idea, there?
cunning urchin
No, I start with 
, of course. 
The idea is that Tidal Dash takes care of Tartarus quickly and you can get early poms in it.
spare flare
So . . . it's taken in lieu of Divine Dash?
spare flare
And if you start with the rose, what do you use?
cunning urchin
Should take care of anything up 32–40, easily.
spare flare
Well, Divine Dash does deal damage, but a pitiful amount . . .
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike, ideally.
Then Tidal Dash and Zeus' Aid.
Zeus' Aid is for Smoldering Air.
spare flare
Figured. So, how does it all work? Special, call, stab, special, stab, stab, repeat from second special?
spare flare
I'm a little baby boo-bop of Achilles users. I literally just maxed it and am giving it a real try for the first time, and my spear heat is only, like, 5 or 6.
cunning urchin
Er... you just do Special > Rush and then hold down Attack and mash Dash, pretty much.
That's if you have Flurry Jab.
proven osprey
Tidal is good on Achilles yeah
cunning urchin
If you don't have Flurry Jab, Dash-Strikes are still great.
proven osprey
You want to move fast with the special. Consume every charge before specialing again
People hunt for flurry jab and deadly strike
iirc Zeus is not that popular anymore
But his cast is good to clear the early game with the raging rush bonus
cunning urchin
There are plenty of viable Cast builds, too, but Flurry Jab builds are what will get you the best DPS.
proven osprey
Serrated point is also very playable, I've seen insane times with it
A noble aspect, hard to master
cunning urchin
iirc Zeus is not that popular anymore
Indeed. But if you start Tidal Dash and see a boon from Lord Zeus, you should just go for Lightning Strike.
spare flare
The triple dash-strike one, yeah?
proven osprey
Yeah
cunning urchin
It's not like Noahlvaldi is trying to beat any speedrun records where you'd need optimal builds.
proven osprey
But honestly
Just go Demeter cast and Crystal Clarity
It takes a while to get online but it's so much fun
cunning urchin
I've never been a big fan of Crystal Clarity builds lol.
That was always more Haelian's thing.
proven osprey
Stygian cast ideally, high roll some chaos cast or buy them in wells
It nullifies EM4
The only problem is the early game cause you want Glacial glare on top of the cast
And pom it
Again again and again
spare flare
So . . . it works with all of the classic builds because a flat damage buff applies to anything. The only thing new to me (had put the game down for a few months) is that Tidal Dash is now a thing.
cunning urchin
"Should I buy random boon? Eh, it's gonna be fine so long as it's not Lady Demeter."
"A winter's greeting to you, Zagreus."
proven osprey
Well it's the best damage dash, you can use it on pretty much every aspect that struggles time wise in the early game
But it's a speedrun mentality anyway
Achilles is open to lots of fun builds
cunning urchin
Well it's the best damage dash, you can use it on pretty much every aspect
that struggles time wise in the early game
spare flare
Gotcha'. Odd. Do I switch to Divine Dash later in the run if given the chance, or is it just whatever?
cunning urchin
You keep Tidal Dash for all the damage.
proven osprey
Oh no don't switch
cunning urchin
Tidal Dash + Breaking Wave or Typhoon's Fury completely destroys Satyr tunnels.
proven osprey
Divine dash is a safety tool
I would not say you need it on Achilles
You have iframes on the special too
Safety yeet
spare flare
Safety yeet. Roger.
proven osprey
Be careful the aspect has a tendency to go into traps
The auto aim is weird on controller
spare flare
I'm pretty good at avoiding those. I'm that one player that only recently stopped taking chances with HS.
proven osprey
I have an amazing clip like that, the auto aim just decided the place to go
Yeah HS is like, unnecessary
I like that it makes the trap meaningful
But the Hades urn hitbox is bad so
By bad I mean it has some lingering effect, you still get hit when the urn is already gone
Always fun to ruin a run for this
spare flare
Yeah, I've gotten hit by urns that blew up half a damned screen away from me. That crap botched so many runs as to hold me back in spear runs this far.
proven osprey
Usually you can play around it
But when it's EM4 FO2 and you're melee
Good luck mate
queen arrow
But when it's EM4 FO2 and you're melee
Yeah, this.
swift wave
I'm still new to Hades, but I found a build for Exagryph. Delta Chamber, Thunder Dash, Deadly Strike, and Aspect of Eris. Swift strike is also good, but to make it work you just hold left click and dash a bunch to move and do fast damage, especially when Aspect of Eris is going.
lucid oar
Try lightning strike on eris
cunning urchin
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warm aspen
This one seems easy
eternal quartz
Grandma Demeter's caring advice in the description ❤️
strange lark
Epic
boreal prism
Aspect of poseidon with a non-lodging cast :'(
small stirrup
cries in monsoon
strange lark
I was actually gonna do a run like this a week ago but then I failed horribly
cunning urchin
*cries in monsoon*
Well, it's sunny in Greece right now. 
halcyon flint
I got a question about the monthly challenge
If I finish this does anything happen or is it just to have a fun challenge to do?
cunning urchin
It's just for fun, and you get to be on the challenge board.
halcyon flint
Oh alright
fierce juniper
for the mirror stuff, can I use other mirror abilities as well?
cunning urchin
Yeah.
fierce juniper
ok, thanks!
cunning urchin
Good luck!
lucid oar
How do you get disciple of Poseidon? I got 5 Poseidon boons, not including second wave and blizzard shot and "swiftness of Hermes" appeared instead
strange lark
I think it has to be 6 poseidon boons and you might need the legendary boon too
lucid oar
I got 7 including the legendary and duo
strange lark
Bad rng I guess
raven dome
Can anyone explain to me how the chance to get a specific god for a boon, including factors like the boons you already have and stuff
lucid oar
Either god keepsakes or fated authority rerolls from the red side of the mirror
Nvm I misread your question
raven dome
That’s not really what I mean. I’be noticed the more you have a God’s boons the more likely the game is to give you their boons
I’m wondering on the math for that
cunning urchin
This is how the game rolls what boons you're offered.
(1) First boon offer on a run, fill all three slots with priority boons (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, or Dash),
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (Jolted, Marked, Rupture, Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with exchanges.
As for what gods you see: the game will pick gods at random. When you have boons from 4+ gods, the game will only pick from gods you already have. Lord Hermes and Master Chaos don't count towards that.
lucid oar
I’m wondering on the math for that
If your god pool is full (4 gods) then each time you see a boon, it is a 1 in 4 chance of being each god, it's not anything to do with how many boons from that God you have, it's equal chances
lucid oar
On average you'll have a 1 in 4 chance
For example, you could never see a boon from that God again, or you could only see boons from that God. Both are unlikely
It averages out to 1 in 4
ashen heart
this looks like a fun one
storm ivy
This is how the game rolls what boons you're offered.
> (1) First boon offer on...
can u dumb it down for someone who doesn't know what that means?
How do I use this system to my advantage if I'm trying to increase the chance of getting a duo/legendary boon? Does this mean that I should fill my attack,special, cast and dash with the first four boons that I see ? Obviously If im trying to "force" a certain cast or combination, I will leave that specific boon slot open or force it in the second biome, but any other not so obvious takeaways I can gleam? this rolling information is going over my head
boreal prism
- Get 4 gods as fast as you can
- Fill core as fast as you can
- Avoid getting things that unlock duos and legendaries you don't want
sterile fiber
wow the rail hammer that turns shots into close-range is pretty nuts
turbid needle
im sad i cant beat the final boss with the spear its too hard not good damage at all
there is litterally no viable build with achilles
spear
this is pathetic
coz i dont have enough mechanical skill
:/
sterile fiber
I think people were talking about Achilles builds earlier here
turbid needle
please gib me a good build i cant clear the heat 1
its litterally too hard
final boss attack melts me
sterile fiber
if you search "What are the good Achilles builds" there was a convo about it
fading nymph
flurry jab much good
sterile fiber
yeah a balm for RSI
this sounds like a Hypnos thing but if you're having trouble with getting hit, it might just come down to, well, trying not to get hit
rush in, stab, get out
getting Demeter's boon that gives decay if all foes are chilled was really helpful to me early on
since in that fight, all foes = 1 mostly
boreal prism
maybe you'd have better luck with other spears?
gy gets strong in the endgame
in my experience
fading nymph
need charged skewer though
boreal prism
you don't NEED it
you can do an atk build just fine
charged skewer is real strong w it
turbid needle
spin hammers go rly hard too
boreal prism
oh yeah quick spin saves runs
the other thing i gotta say about gy is that hearts might seem bad to get since they give you less health but actually hearts are very good to get
you can get to 100 health pretty easily by mid elysium and then you can almost play normally
except you deal way more dmg
scarlet yoke
Do Duos count toward the respective Disciple title?
limber whale
nope
fading nymph
I learned that the hard way today :)
limber whale
I learned that the hard way today :)
oh that sucks
I'd do the run but I'm trying to complete LEGO Batman 2
as cultured individuals do
fading nymph
As cultured individuals do
boreal prism
Oh, another sneaky trick i remembered to get more boons you want
If you reroll a miniboss room you get another miniboss room. If it's not erebus and it's not styx, then miniboss rooms can only give you boons
So you have a 1/3 chance of getting the god you want
I think
Might be the best odds you ever get on a reroll, unless I'm misunderstanding something
turbid needle
nah ur right miniboss rooms are good reroll targets if you want a certain god
limber cloak
@boreal prism on miniboss doors, or any door with a boon for that matter, you will only get a boon from different gods three times until the game locks in the 4 gods that you've seen on the door. Then, everytime you roll after that, its guaranteed to be the 4 gods that you've already seen on the door
Kinda works like the god pool in general
spare flare
For a standard attack-based build like Rama, do people prefer Adamant Arrowhead or Eternal Rose as a starting keepsake?
spare flare
Okay, thanks.
spare flare
Oof. Just started with the arrowhead. Why do you prefer the rose?
lucid oar
Nyaanyaa really likes Aphrodite on every aspect
They are both strong options, definitely the best/second best for rama
spare flare
Got Explosive Shot, Epic Deadly Strike, and Epic Maimed Strike.
I thiiiiiiink that this is a winning run.
lucid oar
If you get twin/triple shot for your next hammer it will be great
spare flare
Epic Tidal Dash, too, and after taking a Doomstone in about 6 seconds, Epic Urge to Kill.
Accidentally skipped a trip to Erebus. No run is perfect. 💔
proven osprey
onion for the flavour
spare flare
Triple Shot get. This is just a 12 Heat run, so at this point, I've already won.
proven osprey
omae wa mou winaru
shadow lark
so if i were to try out a cast build using hunting blades
spare flare
Okay, wow, no, Asterius just hit me from a solid 10 feet behind me by ramming into a wall.
This game's hitboxes can be as bad as Monster Hunter's, sometimes.
shadow lark
so if i were to try out a cast build using hunting blades
ok as i was saying cuz my internet just crapped itself hard
strange lark
lmao
shadow lark
internet died again
plucky rover
hey!
shadow lark
man, today just isn't my day 
strange lark
aphro attack, artemis special
plucky rover
i've been using artemis
strange lark
for hammers try to get concentrated volley and relentless volley
plucky rover
but feels quite underwealing sometimes
strange lark
you can use aphro attack, dio special, and curse of vengeance from ares
get the same hammers
and get the duo boons
shadow lark
maybe try dionysus special ye
strange lark
low tolerance and curse of nausea
shadow lark
that DoT is very nice
strange lark
yeah
shadow lark
it does
plucky rover
or is it like zeus that is meeh
strange lark
it stacks
shadow lark
the difference is that zeus has a cooldown
plucky rover
aight will try
plucky rover
the difference is that zeus has a cooldown
right
strange lark
yup
strange lark
so if i were to try out a cast build using hunting blades
please continue raviogalore
mossy finch
im gonna make a boon tier list for fun
boreal prism
are you gonna make it so that it makes people angry
mossy finch
hopefully not
Oh god
this is hard
What do i do about things like parting shot
It's an I win button on the right build but otherwise its pretty meh
and its not like things like hunting blades where being able to get it means you have the boons required to make it useful
shadow lark
please continue raviogalore
Internet again
So
If i were to doa hunting blades build
What other boons should i go for?
mossy finch
bad news
shadow lark
My guess is fully loaded, but idk what else
mossy finch
other ares boons for blades
mossy finch
What's up?
no thats a boon
shadow lark
Ah i see
cunning urchin
If i were to doa hunting blades build
Vicious Cycle and Mirage Shot.
mossy finch
bad news is a hermes boon that gives +50% damage to enemies without casts in them
shadow lark
bad news is a hermes boon that gives +50% damage to enemies without casts in the...
Goddamn
mossy finch
yeah its good
shadow lark
Aight
shadow lark
Vicious Cycle and Mirage Shot.
What's vicious cycle do again?
mossy finch
and its free since you want quick reload anyways
mossy finch
What's vicious cycle do again?
ares legendary
+2 damage per consecutive hit on blade rifts
cunning urchin
Bad News is decent. Hyper Sprint + Rush Delivery is just as good.
Possibly better.
mossy finch
bad news is more consistent and passive tho
shadow lark
Yeah, i've heard about the hyper delivery combo before
mossy finch
in certain scenarios a pressure points + hunters mark can be good as well
you shouldnt aim for it, but you need pp for arty legendary anyways, so might as well
shadow lark
Gotcha
lucid oar
Bad news is common hyper delivery but you lose boiling blood
cunning urchin
Yes, but Slicing Shot doesn't get Boiling Blood anyway.
mossy finch
Oh btw remember that bad news hard requires having stygian soul equiped
cunning urchin
Make sure you check every Chaos Gate for +1 ammo and every Well for the same.
Boneless Hourglass in Elysium or the Temple of Styx is great for that, also for bonus cast damage.
Make sure you check the Well there before equipping your keepsake.
lucid oar
Yes, but Slicing Shot doesn't get Boiling Blood anyway.
I clearly didnt scroll up far enough to realise that we were talking about non-lodging casts 
boreal prism
anyway as it turns out it's fairly trivial to make a tier list that makes people angry
i mean, compared to making one that's legit
cunning urchin
I guess I could update mine from February.
mossy finch
wait how do you even post an image?
lucid oar
Link an imgur post? Idk
mossy finch
nope
boreal prism
you can link an imgur post
mossy finch
i dont know how to use imgur
boreal prism
i just posted this image in a private discord and then clicked copy link and pasted it here
boreal prism
zeus better than rama? >:(
mossy finch
Someone cleared 64 heat with it
mossy finch
im not a huge fan but its the only thing 64 heat has been cleared with soooo
boreal prism
that was a seeded run, anyway
mossy finch
its just got a high skill ceiling
but i do agree
(I didn't think hard about anything)
cunning urchin
cgull made the route for Baj. No other top players expressed interest in a 64 route, to my knowledge. Zeus is def top tier, anyway.
mossy finch
i was gonna put beowulf up there too but then i realized that would be a little biased
turbid needle
tier lists are made to be biased I wanna see hottakes
cunning urchin
And Rama.
turbid needle
mossy finch
oh ok ill make an opinion tier list
turbid needle
but yeah rama and beo are completly insane
mossy finch
yeah
i put em in a
the only things that go in s are the ones that are absolutely insane
turbid needle
doesnt beo have a dragon or snake on it
boreal prism
just looks like a bunch of jumbles to me
turbid needle
also eris looks like a maw
turbid needle
cunning urchin
Your opinions suck.
boreal prism
you know i really thought people would fight me over GY having an eye on it or not
didn't expect this sort of debate
turbid needle
gy has a dragon so it belongs into animals-..
cunning urchin
That tier list is wrong.
mossy finch
its an opinion tier list
cunning urchin
And it's wrong.
mossy finch
its how fun they are to me
boreal prism
hahaha
turbid needle
Zag sword is fun
mossy finch
my previous tier list is how good i think they actually are
turbid needle
rama
turbid needle
Lmao
mossy finch
sword then
turbid needle
rama is its own aspect dont lie
cunning urchin
I haven't tried the apologies sword yet.
mossy finch
overall i think sword and bow have the most well balanced aspects
none of them are completely useless or overpowered
cunning urchin
Sword balanced?
proven osprey
Sword is tough man
mossy finch
well compared to its other aspects
fading nymph
Sword is worse fists change my mind
cunning urchin
4/4 sword aspects are contenders for bottom 4 aspects in the game.
turbid needle
That is a hot take.
cunning urchin
Gilgamesh is the worst by far imo
Yes, but they're contenders for the other 3 in the bottom 4, along with Zag Spear. But Zag Spear has Flurry Jab going for it.
mossy finch
arthur aphrodite is one of the easiest builds to put together and its really strong
cunning urchin
Also Talos bad. Fun, but bad.
proven osprey
but it depends what we're talking about too though
cunning urchin
Excalibur sucks at speed and sucks at high heat.
fading nymph
talos bad but is it that bad
cunning urchin
If you just want to clear like 32 or something, Excalibur is amazing for that.
cunning urchin
If you want to clear 32 at good speed, Excalibur is absolutely terrible.
Talos is kind of Zag Fists without Dodge chance and with a bad Dash-Upper.
turbid needle
The 50% Attack and Cast damage bonuses would be cool if it didn't last so little.
boreal prism
proven osprey
yeah it's hard to keep it up in a room
fading nymph
budget Eris
proven osprey
can be dangerous against bosses too
lucid oar
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/683004224485064767/857666638936801311/unk...
Achilles, Demeter and Hera are easy S tier, and Hestia is A tier
Zag bow should be higher as well
And Arthur lower
mossy finch
Its how much i like to use them
lucid oar
Oh I thought it was viability
lucid oar
Honestly, I think everything I said still stands
If it's for speedrunning, that is
I don't do high heat
plucky rover
gilgamesh is really THAT bad?
strange lark
gilgamesh is really THAT bad?
yeah
boreal prism
gilgamesh is NOT unplayable, especially at low heat. it's just that every other weapon can be used better
except arguably some zag aspects
cunning urchin
Hestia in C for viability is highly questionable lol. That aspect has more 50+ clears than any other aspect.
cunning urchin
Guan Yu is a git gud aspect that only really falls off at high heat. Not amazing for speed, either.
One of the best aspects for mirrorless up to very high heats.
It's not necessarily an easy aspect, but the potential is there.
boreal prism
is it just me or is GY harder in tartarus/asphodel than it is in elysium/styx
proven osprey
It's really good in Tartarus
boreal prism
like, once you have a build going it's a breeze
proven osprey
You one shot brimstones, witches with a boonless special
mossy finch
ok so i have a perfect full god pool using beowulf coming out of tartarus
what keepsake do i use?
proven osprey
one of the 4 gods if you still want something from them
mossy finch
theres nothing in particular i want
cunning urchin
Whatever gets you Mirage Shot.
proven osprey
otherwise, coin purse, hourglass given the well of charon
cunning urchin
Well, then you don't have a perfect god pool.
boreal prism
lmao
strange lark
true
cunning urchin
Mirage Shot does 100% damage on Beowulf.
mossy finch
oh it does?
cunning urchin
It does.
mossy finch
thats sounds like a bug
cunning urchin
It does lol.
mossy finch
its a bug right?
cunning urchin
Anyway, even at 30% you'd want Mirage Shot.
mossy finch
i might
cunning urchin
Link an image of your current build.
boreal prism
i mean you probably don't want to stretch your god pool to 6 at this stage
cunning urchin
I'd do that if it gets me Mirage Shot lol.
mossy finch
mossy finch
what about ice wine?
cunning urchin
Nah, you don't want Ice Wine on Beowulf because it adds delay. Scintillating Feast is alright. But mainly you want poms on your Cast now and ideally Snow Burst and Ravenous Will.
cunning urchin
Can't chill dead enemies.
mossy finch
you can chill em4 hades
cunning urchin
Trippy Flare Beowulf is a high burst damage build.
Ideally, you phase him so fast that chill is non-factor anyway.
boreal prism
also if you get chill then you'd want chill synergies and that's stretching your wants a bit far
plucky rover
Guan Yu is a git gud aspect that only really falls off at high heat. Not amazing...
How do you build GY then?
cunning urchin
Snow Burst applies Chill.
plucky rover
Focusing on the special?
boreal prism
oh yeah i didnt spot that
cunning urchin
How do you build GY then?
I have a quick Guan Yu guide here: #h1-discussion message
boreal prism
GY's special is strong, so people tend to build up the special
plucky rover
oh great ty
mossy finch
is there really any point at getting more dio?
cunning urchin
I mean you can try Ice Wine on it, but I wouldn't take it. But same keepsake either way.
mossy finch
does he give anything useful other than ice wine?
cunning urchin
Hmmm. Premium Vintage, Strong Drink, that kinda stuff.
mossy finch
i could use premium vintage i guess
cunning urchin
Yeah. Calculated Risk can help with Hades spear throws.
Wouldn't make him a high priority anymore, but he still has some boons that can help.
silk hearth
Yeah. Calculated Risk can help with Hades spear throws.
hades only throws on EM4 right
cunning urchin
Right. But the skulls are also projectiles.
mossy finch
im playing em4
silk hearth
good luck lol
silk hearth
Right. But the skulls are also projectiles.
ye
mossy finch
yeah i took ice wine
silk hearth
u can also buy the diamond/titan blood from final shop but thats probably slower
proven osprey
You need to invest blood yeah
turbid needle
Oh no
I haven't even gotten to the lava boss
I keep dashing in lava
Gimme tips
I need
Tips
plucky rover
just die
turbid needle
Damn
plucky rover
many times
turbid needle
Done that
silk hearth
stop dashing in lava...
turbid needle
Tried
plucky rover
its part of the game
turbid needle
Which keepsake is best
silk hearth
._.
turbid needle
I like the Cerberus
silk hearth
what weapon r u using
plucky rover
there is no best in this game
plucky rover
I like the Cerberus
but this is the worst xd
turbid needle
Then whichhhhh
fading nymph
Its best to start with a god keepsake
turbid needle
Which then
strange lark
cerb keepsake is definitely not the worst but it isnt the best
strange lark
yes
turbid needle
I'ma list the keepsakes I have
strange lark
woman
fading nymph
what wepon are you using
turbid needle
Cerberus
Archilles
Aphrodite
Charon
Hypnos
Megeara
Ares
turbid needle
what wepon are you using
Shield
plucky rover
that will set your run on the right food
turbid needle
Cos i need titan blood
fading nymph
what sheild aspect
fading nymph
you dont need to get there to unlock aspects
just unlocking all the wepons gives you aspects
fading nymph
you have to unlock all wepons first
fading nymph
have you done a run after that?
plucky rover
dude you can check on youtube there are tone of videos about it
mossy finch
dd less em4 lesgo
fading nymph
and you've tried to interact with them when you have it equiped
turbid needle
K
strange lark
did you buy the gun yet
turbid needle
Yes
strange lark
so after that run you will unlock aspects
strange lark
yeah
strange lark
yeah
strange lark
yeah
mossy finch
wait is this a fresh file run?
strange lark
no
plucky rover
Lol
boreal prism
Skelly's keepsake will help you learn the early game
Once you reach third boss it's probably optimal to switch to eurydice's
hushed burrow
hello
i need help
how do i use these
they are so bad compared to their counterparts(apart from dark regeneration(and stygian soul)
but I need to do it for the fated list
fading nymph
If you need to use ruthless this is the one time Gilgamesh can be good
fading nymph
There is escape :)
hushed burrow
should I just keep doing normal runs till i have enough blood for gilgamesh then?
by normal i mean with the normal mirror stuff
turbid needle
you can also not take them all at once
hushed burrow
true
pastel birch
they are so bad compared to their counterparts(apart from dark regeneration(and ...
calling stygian soul bad 
hushed burrow
ok true
proven osprey
dark foresight is also the best option
hushed burrow
hmm is that the one that gives better chances for boons, hammers, and the sort?
fading nymph
Yes it increases gold laurel odds
cunning urchin
It says +20%, but the way it works is it changes the odds from 50/50 for gold/blue to 70/30.
So you're getting 40% more gold laurel rewards.
hushed burrow
huh
fading nymph
I like going arty on attack and pash dash and go for heart rend for big number
idk if thats optimal
but its fun
and also does still function
plucky rover
and hammer wise?
boreal prism
The arthur special hammers are "cool" but I've never seen em do much
pastel birch
I like greater consecration with Demeter on attack and killing freeze for the big slow, but that's more meme territory
naive tendon
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/706508148441219082/857726806245638194/u...
Stuborn defiance at 2 heat? Idk about that one
boreal prism
it's for the fated list i think
silk hearth
If you need to use ruthless this is the one time Gilgamesh can be good
how does gilgamesh synergise with ruthless? i thought zag fist worked well because of dodge
fading nymph
because gilga gives you two extra dashes
silk hearth
ah lol
worn meadow
Hi,
Does Doom Stack? Like if I attack twice will there be two doom slices?
proper furnace
Hi,
Does Doom Stack? Like if I attack twice will there be two doom slices?
Doesnt stack, only similar thing is dire misfortune wich adds extra damage x doom applied before it procs
worn meadow
Okeii
Ummm
Is good for Bow/Charge up only then?
Like not good for fist and rail?
boreal prism
Doom is flat damage, which means it's weaker on weapons that deal high damage
So it's best on fists and rail, even if it doesn't stack
Ideally you'd be running around the room tagging everyone with doom
You don't really want doom on bow attack
Though it can be nice on special depending on the asp
On stuff that deals high damage you want boons that increase damage by a %
fading nymph
Keep losing DDs to normal rooms doing monthly challenge -> equip Stubborn Defiance -> get Patty and grabs touch of Styx dark -> doesn’t even use stubborn before Hades -> gets theee sacked and doesn’t have touch of Styx during the Hades fight -> dies when Hades has a teeny bit of health left
Pain
fading nymph
Most builds go Special because it does so much damage especially with charged skewer
boreal prism
it doesn't say anywhere in the description but GY special is really something
fading nymph
I like going with Aphrodite because I want damage reduction when I’m limited to half health but Arty is really good too
boreal prism
athena can be nice to have on hand when the projectiles get a little scary
you can build to deadly reversal
fading nymph
Only really spin when you feel safe because it has a good bit of end lag
Serrated is good if you have extra dashes
boreal prism
the spin is hard to pull off, but getting a spin hammer can make it easier
echo helm
spin hammer helped me when i first got the gy aspect, hardly struggled when i got to hades, though that may be bc of the uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh acorn
noble stump
hey im a bit confused, so at one point i was playing hades and one day i completed a run and this weird frame appeared around my boons, a sort of pinkish themed frame?
does anyone know what it is or what im even taking about?
lucid oar
hey im a bit confused, so at one point i was playing hades and one day i complet...
You likely bought a victory screen theme from the house contractor
noble stump
ahh
i did recently get the rest of the rest of the stuff from the house concrator
good to know
ty
cunning urchin
also on a unrelated note to potato, what a good build for the guan yu aspect
I wrote a Guan Yu guide here that should, hopefully, give you something to start from. #h1-discussion message
wraith token
quick question, does the lightning from sea storm retain buffs from regular lightning, like jolted and stuff
turbid needle
yes
opal lodge
one thing to note is sea storm is bolts, rather than chain lightning
so it will be affected by double strike and high voltage but not by storm lightning
boreal prism
does hera benefit from the boon that improves crush shot?
proven osprey
The arrow hits before the cast, you only benefit from the extra aoe
Which can be good enough
But you won't get the burst
echo helm
I wrote a Guan Yu guide here that should, hopefully, give you something to start...
thank you! 
cunning urchin
The arrow hits before the cast, you only benefit from the extra aoe
That's not right. You should be undershooting a lot of your arrows for faster delivery; your Cast will be enough to kill enemies, and the first Cast will get the bonus damage. Also even if you hit one enemy with your arrow, any other enemies within your Crush Shot AOE will take the first-hit bonus damage.
plucky rover
but which casts tend to work better with hera? eheh
cunning urchin
Crush Shot is ideal. Phalanx Shot and Trippy Flare can also be good.
cunning urchin
Crush Shot = Lady Aphrodite's Cast
Phalanx Shot = Lady Athena's Cast
Trippy Flare = Lord Dionysus's Cast
lucid oar
does hunting blades work with it?
Not really
cunning urchin
You can make it work, but you're not really making the most of the aspect with it.
cunning urchin
That's the best way to play the game.
hushed burrow
also I feel like ive never seen the flare versions of any of the casts? idk why
lucid oar
Use beowulf
hushed burrow
ahhhhh
so thats what beowulf does
didnt wanna research
one thing, does demeter's bonus to healing effect mirror upgrades?
plucky rover
hey im on a run with hera and idk which hammer to pick between: flurry shot, triple shot and chain shot
never have used hera before so idk how these are going to interact with the cast
hushed burrow
ive played hera before so i might be able to answer
but uh
then again im not exactly very experienced at the game overall
i could give a quick tip though
what's chain shot exactly again?
plucky rover
your attack hits up to 3 foes dealing 15% base damage for each
but how does triple shot interacts with hera and the casts?
hushed burrow
def not triple shot because it only loads the cast's into the main shot
but for chain shot I cant be sure, because with zeus's cast for example, the main target of the cast doesnt get it embeded in them but still take the damage
so theres potential in chain shot
real crest
Flurry shot is great with autodrop and pick bloodstones
Idk what the boons are called but they are Hermes
strange lark
Flurry shot is the best hammer for hera
hushed burrow
it is?
strange lark
Yeah
hushed burrow
i cant see why
strange lark
You can instantly shoot your casts out
plucky rover
fk i picked up chain
hushed burrow
chain seems fine to me
unless of course the bounces from the original target are completely unempowered
real crest
Just have fun with it and try to find new things, if you do what is know you learn not what is new
Doo dududu bam bam dadada
plucky rover
what im not liking about hera is having to press the cast button 4 times every time before the shot
hella slow
real crest
There's a Hermes boon for that
strange lark
Just press it faster
real crest
Flurry shot I think
strange lark
There's a Hermes boon for that
I don't think you can get that on hera
real crest
Really oof
plucky rover
does it work?
strange lark
No because you can't get it
real crest
Well in that case just be speed while loading
Or get a mechanism that shoots potatoes on your load button to do it for you
real crest
Potatoes potatoes man and potatoes potatoes boy have done it again
hushed burrow
man i use strawberries
strange lark
Lol you bad
real crest
Uncultured swine
strange lark
Git gud
real crest
Tbh you shouldn't even be playing games if you don't have a potatoes launcher
strange lark
^^^
real crest
I got to go lauch potatoes like a real human now
cunning urchin
what im not liking about hera is having to press the cast button 4 times every t...
I set Cast to LB when I play Hera.
And you often just need one or two Casts to one-shot enemies.
Flurry, Triple, and Twin are the best hammers for Hera.
Flurry Shot is #1.
Point-Blank is also great.
plucky rover
cause is under Y which is my attack and it's under (i have my dash at LR)
plucky rover
Point-Blank is also great.
picked it up already
plucky rover
but how does triple shot interact with the cast?
do you shot a cast only in the center arrow?
cunning urchin
Just the center shot gets the Casts, yeah.
plucky rover
or it spreads between the 3
cunning urchin
It's still triple base damage on your Attack, though.
lucid oar
Yes but you can shotgun enemies
That's why it's so much better than the other "triple" hammers
hushed burrow
cant you already shotgun enemies to much greater effect with like a good special build?
lucid oar
Bow special is pretty dangerous, the cooldown is long and leaves you open
I'm comparing triple shot to triple jab/beam, the latter two aren't S tier hammers
jovial fulcrum
Does Zeus Attack reset Concentrated Knuckle if the bolts hit a different target?
lucid oar
I'm pretty sure concentrated knuckle resets at the end of the 5 hit attack combo
So I don't think it would be affected by Zeus bolts
Could be wrong tho
turbid needle
No, Appa.
But it does always reset at the end of your 5-hi, as well as whenever you Dash.
cunning urchin
Or when you whiff an attack.
worn meadow
Wht is the strategy with Hidden Rail?
proven osprey
Making use of the special, high base damage. Excellent with triple bomb
Zeus is popular on the attack, I like Artemis on the special
You can build it like Eris basically
worn meadow
So the laser beam is not good?
proven osprey
Oh it's pretty good. The damage ramps up and it works well with lightning strike, jolted etc
jovial fulcrum
But it does always reset at the end of your 5-hi, as well as whenever you Dash.
i didn't know that dashing reset it too
boreal prism
The beam damage procs even faster than you might expect
If you get knockback you can get 20 wallslams per second
That's not a /good/ build but it does make a lot of text appear on the screen
digital adder
What's the best start up set ? I've found that Cursed Slash / Lighting Strike / Divine dash works pretty well at the start. I'm new to this game so I'm looking for some suggestions. I also pick Athena ring or whatever before I start the run.
cunning urchin
Probably best to ask in #h1-for-new-players.
To avoid spoilers since they're allowed here.
lol just saw that @lucid ferry told you to post here.
Hmm. What aspects do you like and have unlocked?
digital adder
What do you mean by aspects ?
cunning urchin
The weapon aspects.
digital adder
Well since I lost my save files I have none now.
cunning urchin
Ah that sucks. Have you tried the steps in #h1-tech-fixes to recover your save?
digital adder
Yeah, It was my Windows causing issues, restricting access
Got that sorted out so now I can play without worrying about losing my save tho. I'm just looking for good base build and which skills should I pick from each god.
cunning urchin
Depends a lot on the aspect you're using etc. I wrote a newbie build guide for all the base weapons that's pinned in #h1-for-new-players. Maybe take a look at that and see if that's helping you?
Should give you something decent to start with, and then from there, you can experiment with the different options you have and see what you like.
digital adder
Is it pinned or something ?
cunning urchin
Yeah, it's pinned in that channel.
digital adder
Oh, yeah, thanks. Wasn't loading the first time I was checking pinned messages.
Doesn't dionysus have similar attack skill to Aphrodite ? I prefer using whenever I get a skill that after hitting them it puts a weak effect on them, I think they both have it ?
digital adder
Compared to both, which one is better ?
strange lark
it depends on the aspect
cunning urchin
Lady Aphrodite is obviously the bestest.
boreal prism
The general rule is: on weapons that hit hard, you want boons that add % damage, and the boon that adds the most % damage is aphro. On weapons that hit fast, you want boons that add flat damage, like lightning bolts or hangover or doom
cunning urchin
I would know. m the high priestess of the Temple of Aphrodite, after all.
strange lark
dionysus has thicker thighs
digital adder
Piercing Wave, good pick ?
digital adder
There was no Double Edge, there was 1 where you become sturdy for 1 sec or smth and the other one was the 90 damage hit.
I hate that skill with my heart
boreal prism
Piercing wave adds range to sword, which is nice to have in some situations but it won't increase your dps by much most of the time
cunning urchin
Nah it's a decent increase in DPS, actually.
It's +30 damage that pierces with decent AOE.
Every time you press Attack.
digital adder
Actually close range with that piercing wave I clear way faster
If I don't have the 300% shield break
Poseidons Aid / Sunken Treasure or Hydraulic Might
cunning urchin
His Call is good.
strange lark
the dps from ares' call is low
digital adder
Should i pick Poseidons aid now or smth else out of these 3
silk hearth
it should be fine to pick it since nyaanyaa said its good
strange lark
yeah take it
digital adder
I have 2 doors, 1 is Ares Boon, 2nd Is Zeus and Dionysus
strange lark
whats your build like
digital adder
Rn ?
strange lark
yeah
silk hearth
take the second one :D
digital adder
Lighting Strike where attack emits Lightning, Piercing Wave, Cursed Slash, Divine Dash, Swift Strike, Greatest Reflex, Static Discharge, Heavens Vengeance, Drunker Flourish and Trippy shot, those last 2 I want to change to smth else, they're useless, picked them only because there wasn't any better option lol
Also Poseidons Aid
strange lark
yeah take the second room
hope for jolted
wait nvm
you already have jolted lol
uh you should still take the second room
ares wont help your build out that much
digital adder
That Doom Effect I find useful, but I don't get it that often honestly
strange lark
you already have boons for your attack and special so you wont get doom
the only doom boon you can find is the revenge boon
digital adder
Picked Zeus as first pick.. Billowing Strength, Lightning Reflexes, Storm Lightning
lucid oar
All 3 are good depending on the situation
digital adder
Elysium
lucid oar
Take storm lightning, you could see the legendary later
digital adder
Ok, thanks.
Man Dionysus is funny af when he doesn't get picked.
Bad Influence or Black Out ( Legendary )
The 3rd one is not worth even mentioning
cunning urchin
What's the third one?
digital adder
Peer Pressure
cunning urchin
Oh.
Yeah, that's a contender for worst boon in the game lol.
Black Out is decent.
digital adder
Wait I take damage when standing in my own Festive Fog?
cunning urchin
No.
digital adder
Premium Vintage / Numbing Sensation / High Tolerance ( SKill that says I take less damage in Festive Fog ? )
digital adder
But it says Festive Fog, ok, nvm.
bronze rampart
Are there any special rewards for overfilling the heat gauge? Ive only escaped the one time
digital adder
Which out of those 3 is better tho ?
strange lark
Which out of those 3 is better tho ?
oh probably premium vintage
digital adder
Ok, thanks.
Every time I get a room that offers skill upgrade or coins I always go for Coins, is it a good choice though ?
lucid oar
Depends, offers more flexibility but some boons really need poms
digital adder
My mindset is that if I have more coins I get to buy boons
cunning urchin
There's only so much money you can spend, anyway.
digital adder
So I don't go that route at all only If I have the only choice
Obols is that thing that allows you to level up skills right ?
cunning urchin
Pomegranates (poms) are what level up your boons.
digital adder
But I usually would get like 130 coins give or take every chamber I pick that gives +100 Obols, compared to just the skill level up is it really worth the pick when after I can buy a boon and other upgrades, including the skill level up
cunning urchin
Why would you get 130?
Poms are worth 100 obols. Obol chambers are worth 100. The sooner you get the pom, though, the sooner you do more damage in the run.
Obols are fine if you're looking for a specific boon, and you don't have the money for the next shop yet.
shadow lark
quick question about 2 talents in the mirror
first off, between olympian favor and dark foresight
which one is better?
digital adder
Why would you get 130?
Don't I get drops for killing the monsters that are in that chamber also ?
strange lark
first off, between olympian favor and dark foresight
dark foresight
shadow lark
Don't I get drops for killing the monsters that are in that chamber also ?
yeah, but you get those in other chambers other than obol chambers too
digital adder
Oh, didn't notice that then, sorry.
shadow lark
dark foresight
also uuh
fated persuasion or authority?
strange lark
i like persuasion
cunning urchin
Dark Foresight is waaaay better.
shadow lark
so it's personal preference?
cunning urchin
Persuasion is meta in speedruns and high heat.
shadow lark
aight aight
good to know
thanks
also while i'm here 😅 , i just remembered something else
so regarding chthonic vitality versus dark regeneration, and deep pockets versus golden touch
from my point of view, dark regen and golden touch seem like they would be better, since it seems like you always go through like 40-45 chambers in total, which would mean around 135 total health regained by chthonic vitality
strange lark
i prefer chthonic vitality and deep pockets
shadow lark
and i'm pretty sure that just going off of the darkness dropped by bosses alone, by elysium you've regenned more than that
shadow lark
i prefer chthonic vitality and deep pockets
yeah, i've taken a look at an eris aspect speedrun script, and that's what the run uses
which like, yeah. Speedruns are a thing
but for casual play, is there something wrong with those choices?
strange lark
theres nothing wrong with those choices but i feel like chthonic vitality and deep pockets are better than those
shadow lark
hmm aight aight
i just wanted to know, because i found it kinda odd when i read that
cunning urchin
Golden Touch can be better if you're still in need of bounties because you're virtually guaranteed to be able to afford the bounty in the final shop.
digital adder
Urge To Kill / Blood Frenzy or Curse of vengeance
cunning urchin
But Deep Pockets is generally a lot better since you get more money to spend early, and you want to spend money a lot in shops instead of saving for the final shop if clearing is the goal.
Chthonic Vitality keeps you topped for High Confidence at low heat. High heat, you're likely running LC4, so you don't get healing, anyway.
For anything else, I don't think it matters too much.
I like Chthonic Vitality a little more, but when I started out, I used Dark Regeneration all the time.
But Dark Regeneration was a little stronger then.
cunning urchin
Urge To Kill / Blood Frenzy or Curse of vengeance
Urge to Kill and Curse of Vengeance are both alright. I guess whichever has higher rarity.
digital adder
After Party / Positive Outlook or Bad Influence ?
Positive Outlook is Epic rated and After party is Rare rated
lucid oar
Bad influence imo
digital adder
Next fight is against Hades, which one could work better in that case ?
Bad Influence won't give any effect mostly
cunning urchin
Bad Influence works with his summons and his skulls.
I guess Positive Outlook or Bad Influence depending on how confident you are in not dying?
digital adder
Well I can beat Hades without using Death Defiance
cunning urchin
Might as well pick Bad Influence, then.
digital adder
But If I get like down to 20-30 hp I try to play more passive
cunning urchin
Didn't need to ask there, then.
If you feel confident in not throwing the run, just always take the option that does more damage.
digital adder
Man, when I bought this game I didn't expect so much complexity. :d
violet sand
What is the most consistent aspect in your opinion?
strange lark
wdym by consistent?
turbid needle
something that works well no matter which boons you get I guess?
cunning urchin
Gilgamesh is consistently bad?
turbid needle