h1-builds-and-combat

[opaque hare]

at styx

[strange lark]

ill take hourglass in styx if i dont have enough casts for a cast build

[jovial fulcrum]

And then you get no extra wells through out all of styx
it's only happened to me like that several times

[strange lark]

or you get the right things but you also get a 5 sack

[fading nymph]

coin purse not good too?

[jovial fulcrum]

Coin Purse is solid

its just usually overshadowed imo

[proven osprey]

Yeah it's a good keepsake

[jovial fulcrum]

its hard to find a spot where 150 gold is better than every other keepsake, I think.
When I take it, it usually in asphodel after getting absolutely godly luck in styx

er

Tart

[pastel birch]

I take coin purse for Tartarus yeah

then I'll usually go for a god keepsake if I want a specific one, or I'll take cosmic egg for Asphodel and Elysium

[fading nymph]

You should always be going with a god keepsake first

doing purse first doesn't make sense

[pastel birch]

I like to keep my runs mostly random

I'll only do a god keepsake first if there's a specific build I wanna experiment with and try out

[fading nymph]

Even so whats the point of Asphodel godsake

Also your going to do better if you start with a god for the build you want

but you do you

[strange lark]

before i start a run i will have a build in mind

so i will start a run with a god keepsake

i dont like having random gods thrown at me

[pastel birch]

random gods are fun,and since I'm still on low heat it doesn't really hurt my runs

[fading nymph]

Well it still hurts your runs

[strange lark]

yeah

certain weapons work well with certain gods on all heat

[pastel birch]

Not as much as on higher heats though, I'm pretty sure

Since I never die or even use a death defiance before Hades currently

It's just a lot more fun for me working with what the game gives me

[cunning urchin]

That's all that matters in the end.

[strange lark]

but in the end, nothing really matters

[fading nymph]

anyone can see

[proven osprey]

True

[raw blade]

the most edgy thing ive read

[strange lark]

i was just quoting linkin park

[raw blade]

ah

[strange lark]

now that i think about it

i got the lyrics wrong

[proven osprey]

Yeah you were close

But in the end it did not even matter

[strange lark]

its a mix of bohemian rhapsody and linkin park

[raw blade]

🗿

[strange lark]

i have no idea how that happened

[strange lark]

wait we both got it wrong, its "but in the end it doesnt even matter"

[raw blade]

lmao

[proven osprey]

I know I just changed the tense

To fit with your fail

[strange lark]

oh alright

[grand night]

Trying to win w/ Stubborn Defiance on so I can fulfill a prophecy. Tips?

[boreal prism]

lower your heat

[grand night]

im at 0 mate

[boreal prism]

ah, right

are you using SD to heal?

[grand night]

yeah but its not healing me for much.

[boreal prism]

if you're under 30% health and you haven't died in a room yet, you can put your face in a trap and heal to 30%

dunno if that's obvious advice

maybe go for one of those totally broken builds

like ME

[fading nymph]

Not like ME is a free win though

[boreal prism]

that's true

but at zero heat, you're bound to get it eventually, even with SD

[grand night]

ME?

[boreal prism]

merciful end is a duo boon that some would describe as... "good"

ares attack, athena special, athena dash, merciful end

[pastel birch]

ME is a "balanced" boon that in no way is extremely powerful at all

not at all like you can instantly delete half of Dad's health

[fading nymph]

1:There are builds with more damage output

2:It can take a while to get all the boons you need

[pastel birch]

wait there's builds with even more damage output than ME ones

[boreal prism]

there's better builds than ME, but they are harder to summarizee

merciful end is an 8 word build

[fading nymph]

Dio on Beo can go crazy

[pastel birch]

I need to hurry and unlock Beo already then

[fading nymph]

also GY

big number

dem special

[pastel birch]

Guan Yu with Dem special is that good?

I always thought if anything was big damage with guan yu it's the spin with massive spin hammer

[fading nymph]

no

my bad

I ment dem aspect on fists

[pastel birch]

ah

[fading nymph]

Also GY special builds are better

[pastel birch]

I see I still have a lot to learn about good builds lmao

[fading nymph]

Charged Skewer one shots most normal enemies

yeah

me too

theres...a lot

[pastel birch]

I basically thought ME was the be all end all of builds, what with how much damage doom can do being only offset by it's delay, and how removing that delay is a recipe for meltation

[fading nymph]

It is very good

[sullen flame]

hi Ive beat the game 5 times so far with three different weapons but I dont know what kind of builds to use with the three other weapons Im not so familiar with

the spear, gloves and the rail

I also havent unlocked any of the hidden aspects

didnt really know what channel to use cus #h1-for-new-players is for people that never finished a run I assume and this one is for the people that saw everything I guess idk

[silk hearth]

i only know builds for eris rail lol

for aspect of eris u take zeus attack and poseidon dash and dash attack everything

[sullen flame]

what does rail dash strike even do different

[turbid needle]

Fires one shot at higher rate of fire.

[cunning urchin]

So long as you spoiler-tag the final boss name, anything past the final boss (including Heat), and hidden aspects, asking for help in #h1-for-new-players is fine.

[turbid needle]

But you're really going for all the Dashes.

[sullen flame]

oh well thats the thing I dont want to get spoiled minus the final boss soo

guess thats the place for me

[sullen flame]

what about its special empowering thing tho

[silk hearth]

use it on urself whenever u can to boost dmg

[sullen flame]

ah okay

from the way you said it it sounded like you shouldnt use it at all lol

alright thanks, if I need a build Ill ask for #h1-for-new-players instead

[clear dome]

Does Doom get increased damage if I take a chaos strike boon?

[fading nymph]

No

[sullen flame]

@silk hearth https://i.imgur.com/6mNqhQS.png

thanks brother, very good build

got lucky with that delta chamber, its a really good upgrade

[uncut lintel]

The best place to post Victory screens is in #h1-victory-boasting

[sullen flame]

thought a heat 1 win wasnt that impressive lol

and I just wanted to show that a build they gave me worked for me

[uncut lintel]

All wins are impressive! And that's certainly alright, thanking the others

[sullen flame]

yeeaah

I kinda wanted to find out the builds for myself but I had literally no clue how to make the rail useful

I hated it lmao

[uncut lintel]

Yeah, I can understand that. It's definitely a change from the other weapon's play styles.

[sullen flame]

it felt real nice to find out what gods combo well with the shield tho

which is why I didnt really want to ask for help with what gods combo well with certain weapons

but I kinda got sick of my stuff not working decently at all lmao

[uncut lintel]

You'll get the hang of it!

[sullen flame]

sure will, great game

and only for 10 dollars

[silk hearth]

oh i didnt saw ur ping for some reason

but anyway, its good u won a run with eris

[sullen flame]

yeah

[sullen flame]

https://i.imgur.com/1Lzz6wE.png

[strange lark]

good job patty

[sullen flame]

if you use up skelly's keepsake and then replenish it with patroclus you get 4 death defiances

[scarlet yoke]

...or you could just get Cursed Defiance from Chaos

WAIT THEY STACK

get 5 dds

[strange lark]

the legendary boon from chaos is really hard to get

chaos doesnt like giving it to us

[scarlet yoke]

Are Legendaries that much rarer than other boons, especially with Legacy? (Chaos pool as our example)

the only prereq for Defiance is another chaos boon

[strange lark]

from my experience the chaos legendary boon is really rare

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/835545407572017152/Screenshot_183.png

4 chaos gates

0 legendary boons

but i didnt have legacy on

[scarlet yoke]

backstab backstab backstab backstab backstab! that has to be the rarer than Defiance

[strange lark]

it probably is tbh

[opaque hare]

is backstab dmg additive?

[proven osprey]

yes

if your question is that can you actually stack them buy simply adding up more boons / keepsake etc

[opaque hare]

but does it stack with the rest of +%dmg

or if it multiplies after that

[shadow lark]

it adds up

so let's say you're using, idk, gun

it deals 10 damage per shot, right?

if you hit it with a cast, it raises damage by 50%

so it goes up to 15

then if you backstab, it also raises damage by 50%

but of base damage

so instead of being 150% * 150% of base damage, or 22.5

it's 100% + 50% + 50%, so 20

as far as i know, all damage from aspects/talents/predetermined stuff is additive

not sure on boons/daedalus tho

[cunning urchin]

base dmg × (1 + sum of bonus dmg)

"Charged" hammers usually affect base damage directly.

[opaque hare]

is explosive upper the case?

"Your Dash-Upper deals +100% damage in an area"

wait, it's not, the description must clarify it as base damage

[opal lodge]

is it not base?

thats not what the description says?

[opaque hare]

it doesnt say so

[scarlet yoke]

If it has a % written on it, it's additive. Crits are the only exception. But don't quote me on that.

[solid sable]

i wonder

will devs add an achievement for hitless run

[cunning urchin]

As you noticed, Explosive Upper does not add base damage. Flying Cutter is Malphon's "Charged" hammer that adds base damage depending on how long you charge it (up to +100% in Malphon's case).

[static karma]

There is no achievement for 32 heat so I don’t think so

[solid sable]

ah

[uncut lintel]

Running a Zag fist, plume run and got Dem first with attack, special and dash. I'm thinking dash and hope for something later down the line

[limber cloak]

Hitless runs are really really hard. They've only been done by 3 people, to date, afaik. Hitless doesn't allow any athena boons, impervious calls or any shield aspect.

Damageless runs are easier though, they allow everything above so you can just start with athena dash

[uncut lintel]

Going to attempt a Godless run with Nemesis Aspect. I've got Battie and Shackle. The Heat level I'm on is 7 and currently have on MM, FO1 and TD1. Still need one more to reach that 7 heat though and I'm not sure what to use. I'm thinking EM1.

Got a hammer in Tartarus and grabbed hoarding slash

[lucid oar]

If you see double edge, take it

[uncut lintel]

I didn't get the opportunity for it. At the temple now and every tunnel is a boon except one heart tunnel and it wasn't down that way.

Whole run is a wash because of it. Got stuck with one god boon I can't purge without having to grab another afterwards.

Just walked in and let myself die, I'm so sad. I was so excited to possibly get this first try and Styx screws everything over.

[lucid oar]

Did you use fated authority?

Also make sure to use Olympian favor instead of dark foresight

[uncut lintel]

Oh.... I will swap those now for the next run tomorrow.

[hoary slate]

Could've tried to get sack first and then go for the tunnel with heart, hoping for purging well. Also Fated Authority just to roll Boons away maybe. Just don't roll Miniboss-Doors

[uncut lintel]

Wait... but... hammer chance go down... sad

[hoary slate]

Hammers will come anyway

[uncut lintel]

Yeah, I know about FA now, I forgot. And I was just really hoping that the sack would be down heart tunnel. I find it regularly is down that way almost each time for me anyway.

[hoary slate]

It's about 55% Second Tunnel Sack

[uncut lintel]

Second on the right or left?

[hoary slate]

Second taken

It's not predetermined

And it's never first tunnel

[uncut lintel]

Ooooooh... coolio. Good to know. Thanks

[silk hearth]

is zeus shield good at high heat? since i saw some 64 heat seeded zeus run, but im not sure how good it would be unseeded

thinking of trying shields out

[strange lark]

yeah its really good at high heat

[hoary slate]

It did 57 Heat unseeded and will break 61 this year i believe. But it's a complicated Weapon to play. Learning standard Beo is prolly easier.

[silk hearth]

oh okay

ill try a cast build with beowulf when i start playing again

[valid prism]

Zeus aspect base damage is very good to deal with high heat, it's one of the aspects that don't fear DC2 at all

But using it and being fast can be very confusing

[cunning urchin]

Zeus Aspect is excellent even when you're not that good with it yet.

When you have Charged Shot on Zag Shield and Zeus Aspect, Zeus is essentially Zag Shield + a second, free source of damage.

[toxic siren]

i want to try out a cast build with aspect of hera, any ideas?

[lucid oar]

Aphrodite cast

Snow burst is also good, also mirage shot. For mirage shot you'll want deadly strike and tidal dash

[toxic siren]

oki doki

aphrodite crush shot isnt it?

[lucid oar]

Yes

Also pom it a lot

Casts scale extremely well with poms, so much that rarity really doesn't matter

[toxic siren]

ooooo good to know, thanks

[cunning urchin]

cgull wrote a Hera guide for speedruns that's really good. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IHgXN-_iYn3G2BWUJ05GSi0Qm4j4FsE0yPNM3stKpOE/edit?usp=sharing

[silk hearth]

i see, ill try zeus out

[urban vapor]

best weapon build etc to work dionysus into? need to talk with him to advance the wacky orpheus stuff

[lucid oar]

Chiron, Dio special, aphro attack and their duo is good

[strange lark]

you can do eris rail with dio attack because of the 75% global damage increase

and you can grab curse of vengeance from ares to get curse of nausea

[silk hearth]

rama

[sinful sigil]

how good is aspect of arthur compared to aspect of zagreus on stygius? im running doom on special + hangover on attack

[lucid oar]

Hangover isn't great on Arthur, high base damage attacks work better with percentage bonuses, not flat damage increases

Arthur and Zagreus have different playstyles, but nemesis is generally better.

[sinful sigil]

ohhh i hadnt considered that, thank you

im liking arthur a lot, though idk how viable it is at higher heat levels

also got the faster ticking hangover upgrade so not too bad

[lucid oar]

Arthur is good until you have too use Forced overtime 2. It can easily handle up to 32 heat but above that it will struggle slightly.

[silk hearth]

whats the build for zeus shield? for atk/special/dash

[turbid needle]

zeus on special and the rest idk

zeus on special does so much work already

aphro atk for smoldering could be good

[strange lark]

zeus attack, zeus special, zeus dash, zeus call, splitting bolt, double strike

[silk hearth]

r u fr

[strange lark]

it works

[silk hearth]

how do u even get so many zeus boons

thats the question

[strange lark]

but i usually go aphro attack for smoldering air

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/847191132496330822/Screenshot_279.png

thats how

[silk hearth]

what attack did u take

aphro?

[strange lark]

zeus

i also forgot to mention jolted

[silk hearth]

yea ofc jolted

r u sure zeus dash is a good idea

[strange lark]

no

you dont really need a dash boon

[turbid needle]

dunno if tidal is a good idea bc you want enemies in a specific place

[silk hearth]

hmm i have a qn

[turbid needle]

athena is prob the best

[silk hearth]

the special does aoe dmg in an area right

can u stop it from moving tho

[silk hearth]

oo

[strange lark]

the special stops after it goes a certain distance

[turbid needle]

it stays in place on first trigger after a while

second trigger it follows you

until you pick it up

[silk hearth]

okay cool i didnt miss anything then

[turbid needle]

you usually yoyo this thing tbh

[silk hearth]

aite lol

[lucid oar]

If you have explosive return, you yo-yo.

As in, explosive return makes yoyoing much better

[opaque hare]

if you have ravenous will and, lets say trippy shot, does the cast gets the bonus dmg?

with stygian soul or the last cast of infernal soul

[unkempt pagoda]

iirc it should, since by the time the cast hits, the ammo marker should be 0/3

therefore it gets the bonus damage

though i'm not sure on this, so someone check me if i'm wrong

[proven osprey]

Yes

You'll get the damage as long as you have 0 cast

Ravenous will is really good with Beowulf and Hera for that reason, loading the casts is enough to get the damage

[shadow lark]

ok, so

using zeus special on chiron bow doesn't rain down eleven thousand bolts of lightning on the enemy, does it?

[strange lark]

No

Lightning has a cooldown

[shadow lark]

goddamnit

then what boon would be good for multi hitting attacks that are too fast, like chiron bow or demeter fists?

[strange lark]

For Chiron you can go artemis or dio, for demeter go artemis

[shadow lark]

for the crit?

[strange lark]

Yes

[shadow lark]

aight

that's weird to me tho

[strange lark]

Why

[shadow lark]

like, i have this multi hit attack

that deals 10 base damage per hit

and i'm building crit

feels weird

[strange lark]

Well you can deal a lot more damage with good boons

[fading nymph]

big number

[shadow lark]

what about demeter?

with the boon that clears chill

[strange lark]

Demeter special on Chiron?

[jovial fulcrum]

8 separate 10 damage attacks with crit chance, on average, deal more damage than one 80 damage attack with crit chance

you can also get around DC hearts and and kill armored enemies

[shadow lark]

ye

either that or demeter fists

[strange lark]

It works, not very good tho

[jovial fulcrum]

Demter Spec chiron wants relentless volley a lot

[strange lark]

No don't do that

[jovial fulcrum]

its not very good without it, and even with it then its just okay

[shadow lark]

aight aight

[jovial fulcrum]

The typical Chiron starts on Aphro attack then hopes for Dio or Arte special.
Or Zeus call.

There's also the Sea Storm chiron meme

[strange lark]

Yeah seastorm Chiron is pretty good

[uncut lintel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/852288782413201468/852288911446638622/2021-06-09_15h51_43.png

What's the move? Using Beo and currently have Dio special for some reason. I don't know

[strange lark]

Take attack

Sets you up for mirage shot and benefits from the dragon rush buff

[uncut lintel]

ooo I forgot how the rush gets the bonus from attacks

[strange lark]

Yeah

Also when you load your casts into your bullrush it makes your bullrush deal more damage

[uncut lintel]

Indeed. I have a Trial between Arti and Athena or a Zeus room. Is Zeus viable on Beo?

[strange lark]

Uh

You can take his call

[uncut lintel]

Hm... I think I'll do the Trial and hope for Athena's dash because I want a security blanket.

[strange lark]

You should get poseidons cast

[uncut lintel]

That's the goal for Mirage

[strange lark]

Since you can get sea storm and mirage shot

[uncut lintel]

oh double duo

[shadow lark]

am i crazy for thinking that artemis' call is the best?

[strange lark]

If you get a core zeus boon

[strange lark]

It's pretty good

[uncut lintel]

Alrighty Zeus it is

[strange lark]

Only at greater call tho

[shadow lark]

yeah i exclusively use it at greater call lol

[jovial fulcrum]

yeah the greater call can phase bosses.

[strange lark]

Also there is a glitch on beowulf where the second cast from mirage shot deals 100% damage instead of 30%

[jovial fulcrum]

the main issue is that its really bad with Smoldering Air

[fading nymph]

Arty lesser call isn't that good

[uncut lintel]

Good to know

[fading nymph]

Is she the only one where you idealy save for greater?

[strange lark]

Also aphro

[jovial fulcrum]

Yeah aphro, Arguably demeter too

[fading nymph]

I thought Aphro was good for interupting attacks

[jovial fulcrum]

Although smoldering aphro is

yeah

[fading nymph]

Also isn't greater dem call useless

[strange lark]

Yeah it is, but the 2500 damage from greater call is just too good

[fading nymph]

because all it does is apply chill to an anemy with max chill

ic

big number!

[uncut lintel]

I just managed to group all the skulls, skull spawners, louts and wringers in the center and Beo bull rush and kill them all :kreygasm:

[fading nymph]

gaming

[uncut lintel]

I'm being offered lightening rod, if I take it can I still get Mirage Shot? @strange lark

[strange lark]

Yes

[uncut lintel]

Wait is there even a point? The casts pop out on top of me and I pick them up immediately after a bull rush

[fading nymph]

It could take Mirage Shots place though

So its good to get it out of the way

[strange lark]

You're taking a boon out of the boon pool so it's easier to get mirage shot

[uncut lintel]

Ah alrighty

[mossy finch]

Ok is it just me or do some runs just start with like, common only boons

[strange lark]

Nah that happens to me a lot

[fading nymph]

So I was playing Dio on Beo. I see a chaos gate (tart) take it, get an extra cast boon that hurts you for casting take it, just don’t cast for a bit. Later see another one (Elisium) take it, extra cast but it hurts you for attacking. Thank goodness I got a hammer that gave me a special buff the next room lol

[jovial fulcrum]

you're playing a shield anyhow, shouldn't take damage.
Being on 1 is fine right

Actually though, you should still dragon rush.

It's not hard to take just as much or more damage run around using only throws for 3 rooms as you would've for just... attacking through the chaos curse

it just punishes you for button mashing is all

[fading nymph]

Yeah I played one run only using special and then said eh and just took the damage

[jovial fulcrum]

Take Dio Aid over Premium Vintage

literally the next room is a nectar

[solid sable]

it is the best

[solid sable]

except hades call, yea

[jovial fulcrum]

Dio call tho

Zeus call too

[uncut lintel]

I like the BIG WACK

[silk hearth]

oki thanks

[uncut lintel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/852288782413201468/852417621658697758/2021-06-10_00h23_10.png

Thoughts?

[silk hearth]

is this chiron

[uncut lintel]

This is Arti. With Beo aspect

[solemn wren]

Depends on weapon and depends on previous boons

[silk hearth]

oh idk then i hv no exp

[uncut lintel]

Oh I forgot. This is a continuation of a run from hours earlier before I went to work. My bad. I'll link my boons. One second.

[solemn wren]

Marked is a status curse (I think) so it counts as one for Privileged Status (assuming you have it)

[uncut lintel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/852288782413201468/852418088712142878/2021-06-10_00h25_03.png

I am running PS yes

Bruce, I'm kind of scared. You've been typing for so long

[solemn wren]

From what I see, you have Poseidon, Hermès, and Artemis boons already. Maybe a Demeter boon. I’d go for Marked since you’d get more benefits (all enemies compared to marked enemies). Clean kill would also make sense, but at the same time, it’s gonna proc way less

[solemn wren]

LOOL

but yea
Marked is probably the best choice imo

[uncut lintel]

I currently have Dio, Arti, Athena and Zeus. I was hoping for Poseidon but forgot to roll the chamber before I went in and biffed it.

[turbid needle]

hunters mark

[uncut lintel]

Why do you say that Toffel?

[solemn wren]

You got Zeus’s jolted boon? Or Athena’s status curse?

[turbid needle]

to previous post but seemed like you chose that already

[uncut lintel]

Neither yet.

[turbid needle]

mark is pretty high prio for arti because it makes you crit in rooms all the time

[solemn wren]

Dang

[uncut lintel]

I do love to crit

[turbid needle]

does kingofnone even run ps

[uncut lintel]

I do. Almost exclusively.

[solemn wren]

Zeus Boons can build up to become busted lol

[turbid needle]

its not rly good for this kind of build tbh

should have gone for family fav

[uncut lintel]

Yes, in hindsight you're correct. My goal going in was much different.

[turbid needle]

did you want aphro+dio?

[uncut lintel]

I wanted Aphro/Dio and then Poseidon/Zeus

Or Poseidon/Arti

[turbid needle]

makes sense

[uncut lintel]

Yes, I know I could have ran the right keepsake but my brain lagged and I kept Shawl.

[solemn wren]

I have a spear run with Poseidon attack and Zeus special
And the special also is doing massive amounts of damage to armor
So basically the armored enemies are screwed

[cunning urchin]

As Toffel implied, definitely Hunter's Mark.

[uncut lintel]

Thank you for the input. I lost the run to Redacted.

[boreal prism]

let's say hypothetically, i was going for arte legendary hera bow... what's the build

I don't have a good sense of good casts for hera bow, is it a lot like beo?

[cunning urchin]

Crush Shot, Deadly Strike if you want Fully Loaded.

[boreal prism]

ty :)

[tidal tide]

Anyone here for recommending a fun&op fist build?

[lucid oar]

Curse of agony, divine flourish, merciful end, divine dash in that order. Just dash attack everywhere.

[tidal tide]

Merciful end is always just too op

[lucid oar]

You could also go lightning strike, deadly flourish and blade dash/passion dash

[boreal prism]

If you have gilgamesh you could just do splash dash and get all the knockback supporting boons and maybe Zeus duo

[tidal tide]

Hmmmmm

[cunning urchin]

@boreal prism actually, skip her Attack, Special, and Cast because they will unlock Heart Rend. Not unlocking Duo Boons from Lady Artemis will improve your odds for Fully Loaded.

Not an optimal Hera build, but since you wanted Fully Loaded, that'd be the most reliable way to go about it.

And True Shot is just not very good on Hera.

[opal lodge]

hera needs some form of aoe

true shot literally has none

whatsoever

[red hound]

does guan yu normally go special?

the 50% reduced hp is killing me

[strange lark]

yeah you should use the special

[red hound]

fighting 32 heat meg with 50 hp feels omega bad LMAO

do i just have to get used to it

[strange lark]

yeah

[red hound]

or is hades spear better

[strange lark]

guan yu is better than hades spear imo

[red hound]

why do u think so?

without the spin hammer its pretty hard to regen

[strange lark]

the damage from guan yu is much better

[red hound]

wait

i dont even heal with spin attack

do i

[strange lark]

what

[red hound]

with the reduce regen

[strange lark]

you will heal from the spin attack even with lc4

the only time when you wont heal is when you have max hp

[red hound]

oh?

[silk hearth]

yea

[red hound]

didnt actually notice

[cunning urchin]

@red hound this quick guide might help. #h1-discussion message

For Guan Yu.

[strange lark]

@fading nymph you should look at lili's guide for eris rail speedrunning:

https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

[fading nymph]

Ty

[lucid oar]

You got the basic build, that's the main thing

No second hammer tho

[cunning urchin]

@lucid oar who were you talking to?

[lucid oar]

Potato

Continuing from #h1-victory-boasting

[cunning urchin]

Gotcha.

[red hound]

the "dash strike hits twice" hammer only works for the first slash of excalibur doesnt it?

[strange lark]

it works for dash strikes

not the first poke of the arthur combo

[red hound]

so for all 3 parts of the combo it can proc?

[strange lark]

is the 3 hit combo a dash strike?????

[red hound]

i mean u can dash between the combos cant you

[strange lark]

yes

but they dont count as dash strikes

theres a difference

[red hound]

ah ok

[weary ridge]

Does curse of longing let you stack dire misfortune to crazy ammounts or is that not a thing

[lucid oar]

Every time you reapply doom, curse of longing isn't given a chance to work

You don't get the successive hit if you are constantly reapplying doom is what I meant

[weary ridge]

Don't get about the successive hit really i just want to know if the dire misfortune stacks get consumed when doom triggers lol

if curse of longing lets you just keep adding stacks to it then that would be kind of sweet

[lucid oar]

It doesnt

[lucid oar]

Yes they do

[weary ridge]

🧂

Then curse of longing is ENTIRELY USELESS whats the point if i cant just endlessly stack dire misfortune to get rediculous damage triggers

[lucid oar]

It is pretty useless yeah

ME is better in every way

[turbid needle]

it means you can slap doom on an enemy and they keep getting hit while you slap somethin else

[lucid oar]

It's like a really bad cold fusion

[weary ridge]

well if it worked how it did in my head it would be pretty hilarious with a fast weapon... 😦

[lucid oar]

Dire misfortune is still good with fast weapons, it's just curse of longing doesn't help it

[chrome pine]

whats the "best" aspect of chiron build?

[lucid oar]

Aphro attack + Artemis special + heart rend is good, tempest flourish + sea storm is good, Dio special + his duos are good

Best is probably sea storm/heart rend

[chrome pine]

thank you :)

[sour goblet]

Hey so with Vengeful Mood, ALL the revenge triggers happen at once, right?

[quaint sorrel]

Anyone got tips for aspect of Hera?

I still haven't beaten the game but I got the closest with that aspect

[turbid needle]

aphro cast

always dash strike with bow

[quaint sorrel]

alecto just took away 2 death defeids 😦

[boreal prism]

she can be like that sometimes

[quaint sorrel]

one run I got to second phase hades, the next I survive the witches room in asphodel with 2 health

update: I died to lava while trying to get on a boat

[turbid needle]

the real advice here is to get familar with the game then

[finite iris]

trying curse of longing a few times made me realise this is the way you play it. However the fact the doom damage gets halfed every time it ticks feels really bad. It seems like you lose a lot of dps if you do not reapply doom after the second tick of curse of longing. If it would always damage for 50% of the first doom tick it would be much more useful imo.

[turbid needle]

it makes most small enemies die and thats good enough for me

its nearly not as good as ME yeah ME is silly

[silk hearth]

@steel wyvern for increasing heat, its not recommended to take AP, RI, JS or Calisthenics Program

the others should be fine

[steel wyvern]

Ah ok also how do I earn more ambrosia?

[silk hearth]

whenever u beat the thesius and asterius fight on a higher heat level u can get another ambrosia

but it stops after 20 something heat i think

[steel wyvern]

ah feelsbad

[silk hearth]

u dont need that much ambrosia anyway lol

[proven osprey]

if you don't want to push the heat that much, play more weapons

[silk hearth]

^^

[storm ivy]

I remember wriste made a speed running guide suggesting Eris rail and Demeter fists as well as the cast weapons as some of the best aspects for speed runs.

Does this still hold true? Or have people figured other things out with other aspects?

I’m interested in Lucifer rail

[turbid needle]

you can speedrun with every weapon its not gonna be quite as fast

luci does well with zeus atk and artemis special

triple bomb is rly broken

[storm ivy]

In regards to Demeter fists to activate merciful end, why those fists and not another ? I don’t see what the special does to make it very noteworthy

[turbid needle]

tidal dash

I mean it does dmg

[lucid oar]

6x special damage is a lot

[turbid needle]

thats all it needs to do

yeah

[lucid oar]

Better than dodge chance/magnet

[storm ivy]

But aren’t u just dashing back and forth and pressing attack?

[lucid oar]

Charged cutter helps in Tartarus

And boss phases

[turbid needle]

you atk and then click the special when its up why not

[storm ivy]

Yeh true.

K was just checking to see if it had like an internal attack speed or damage that was higher than the other fists or if it was solely because of access to the multi hitting special

[warm aspen]

What fun build should I do for my 50th clear?

[strange lark]

dash only gilgamesh

[warm aspen]

Sure

[warm aspen]

What synergy does Zeus shield have with Athena?

[turbid needle]

its alright

[silk hearth]

how do i use zeus shield

do i walk up to them and press special in their face, then spam dash attack into bull rushes

[strange lark]

yeah pretty much

thats how i play

[silk hearth]

hmm

[strange lark]

it just takes practice

[silk hearth]

im having trouble getting the shield to stick on them

yea maybe ill tone the heat back to down 32 im struggling on 40 rn

also about retrieving the shield, i should try to be close to the shield when i retrieve it right

[strange lark]

yeah

[silk hearth]

aite cool

[strange lark]

you should learn how far the shield goes when you use the special

after you get used to the distance you will be able to use the special more efficiently

[silk hearth]

ye

[shadow lark]

question

[strange lark]

no

[shadow lark]

oh

aight

[strange lark]

lol

whats your question

[shadow lark]

see ya then

uum

so you know hestia rail, right?

[strange lark]

yeah

[shadow lark]

and you know the daedalus that gives the gun less range and ammo, but makes the base attack deal 40 damage

right?

[strange lark]

yeah

[shadow lark]

do those stack?

like

does an empowered shot with the shotgun daedalus deal like 600 damage or something?

[strange lark]

uh

idk

i dont think so

[shadow lark]

cuz effectively, the shotgun is essentially a 4x multiplier to base damage

[shadow lark]

aight, i'll hopefully get that daedalus and will tell you later then

[strange lark]

also when you manually reload and use the empowered shot it wont be a short ranged shot

it will be the normal bullet

[shadow lark]

ooh really?

damn

[strange lark]

yeah

[turbid needle]

So I’ve made it to hades twice now, and every time I get absolutely wrecked by those poisonous enemies in the tunnels before hand so I’m weak, what’s the best way to tackle those poisonous rats and dudes that throw poisonous darts?

[lucid oar]

Tidal dash

[strange lark]

you can use broken spear point

from patroclus

and look for cures in the rooms

[turbid needle]

if you wanna dodge the poison darts keep in mind to dash before they come out

they do a long animation before the shoot but when they travel they are fast

[fading nymph]

Always look at the room when you go in and find the curing pools

[elder gale]

Demeter with Hammer, choices are Flying Cutter, Rush Kick, and Breaching Cross. Pretty sure cross is better but idk.

[strange lark]

Breaching cross is the best there

[fading nymph]

Breaching Cross is the best fists hammer

[strange lark]

Breaching cross and explosive upper are the best

[nimble widget]

Not a catch-all solution, but I found that AOE attacks/DPS that jump from enemy to enemy (e.g., Zeus' lightning attack boons/Artemis' support fire boon with a fast weapon) really helped me in the beginning when I was struggling with the tunnels. Now that I have some more exposure to the tunnel enemies, I can dodge attacks more easily with any weapon, but those kind of builds really helped me get my first couple clears. Also 1+ getting to the cure pools ASAP if you get poisoned.

For defeating Hades, it also just took me a bit of time to get used to his attacks/stages -- with some more practice you'll likely be able predict and dodge more easily. Good luck!

[elder gale]

Best Boons w/Zag Spear, intention of a special build?

[nimble widget]

Different options, but I'd do Artemis' deadly flourish in the special & Poseidon's tempest strike on the attack. Would start off with one of their keepsakes and the migrate to Nyx's shawl afterwards for max return DMG on the special. Obviously skewer-related hammers.

(Wouldn't worry about upgrading tempest strike, either -- it's mostly just there to push enemies away so you can use your special on them. Upgrading deadly flourish and getting more crit. boons is a better idea.)

[elder gale]

Got Exploding Launcher and Vicious Skewer

Also Extending Jab but not important

@nimble widget ?

[nimble widget]

What's the question?

[elder gale]

What Hammer to get

[nimble widget]

Oh, I thought you were just stating what you had

sec

[elder gale]

Got Poseidon's attack (at rare, too)

[nimble widget]

Def would do Vicious Skewer

esp. w/Artemis on special and Nyx's shawl

[elder gale]

Don't have Artemis special yet, so I could go another direction still. I have no idea what my boons are yet.

Artemis is just my plan

[nimble widget]

would still do Vicious Skewer

p. sure exploding launcher removes other skewer hammer options in the future as well, which isn't good if your build is focused on the special

don't quote me on that one though

I'd avoid all non-Artemis gods until you reach her; this build really does need her special to get out max damage

[fervent elbow]

Explosive Launcher + Charged Skewer is the high roll hammers for special build on zag spear/hades

[celest lantern]

does getting swift flourish with aegis's aspect of Zeus increase the rate at which the special's damage happens, or does it only increase its move speed?

[turbid needle]

Movespeed.

[celest lantern]

:(

(thx though)

[grand night]

What can I do to get my run times down? I'm usually floating around 30min +/- 3

[celest lantern]

afaik, the very basic, that applies to pretty much any game dealing with hitboxes, is that you learn what the enemies' attacks are.
Their size, speed, frequencies, follow-ups...

so you end up knowing when it's safe (or when it's going to), and can rely on your memory/knowledge to know when to attack instead of waiting and seeing

you spend less time "studying" the game/your environment, and use your time to "react" to it instead

[cunning urchin]

This video is pretty good. https://youtu.be/z3Mmoo4oTKU

[lucid oar]

I know this run was probably completed a while ago, but exploding launcher is always the correct pick here. You get double base damage, a faster special, and you don't have to wait for it to return for you.

[nimble widget]

thanks for the correction! I was thinking that Nyx's backstab + Artemis's crit DMG + Vicious Skewer's crit backstab DMG would pair well, but that makes sense

[lucid oar]

Yeah the problem with spear special is that it takes so long to return, so increasing the speed of it is the way to go. Don't worry, you'll learn these things the more you play

[shadow lark]

Heyo, i got a question about lucifer rail: how in the heck does it work?

Like, i tried it out, and it seemed as if it just deals 1 more point of damage per consecutive shot

But according to my math, a full clip of that should do 390 damage

And i tried it out against skelly, and it dealt 370

So does anyone know what exactly is that's happening?

(also i don't get the point of the hellfire bombs at all)

[lucid oar]

It's +0.75 per shot

Also the bombs do 100 damage when you shoot them, this is a lot of base damage

[shadow lark]

My problem with the bombs is that i can never seem to hit them to trigger them

Do they do AoE damage?

[scarlet yoke]

Yes, it's hard to hit the bombs on controller - best to let enemies activate them, or hit them with a Dash Boon

You could turn off Aimbot but that's easily the greater of two evils

[cunning urchin]

The bombs go boom if you put four of them in close proximity to each other. That's why Triple Bomb is so good.

[scarlet yoke]

Hellfire go Brr.

Can you get Five Mortar with Igneus or not?

[strange lark]

cluster bomb?

no

[shadow lark]

Alright alright

Btw

What's a good build for lucifer rail?

[strange lark]

Zap

[shadow lark]

I imagine zeus attack is pretty gud

But what else?

[strange lark]

Zeus attack artemis special poseidon dash

With triple bomb

[shadow lark]

Gotcha

Is lucifer gun one of those aspects that need the 15 blood to be good?

[strange lark]

It doesn't need all 15 blood

It's good at level 3 or 4

But I would recommend using it at max level

[little quiver]

Supersoaker is my go to and tons of fun
Pose attack zeus special and then go for the duo. If you get the endless chamber it gets really ridiculous. But just loading up on more lightning stuff works too

[short sapphire]

What are some good achilles aspect builds?

I never quite know what to go with, varatha and stygius are the only weapons i have to get to max heat with, with stygius i usually just go aspect of arthur and just maximize damage reduction

[turbid needle]

Slicing Shot or Crystal Beam into their respective Artemis Duo.

Aggressively pursue Chaos and Artemis for additional Casts, use Stygian Soul.

[jovial fulcrum]

Hourglass is very good for cast weapons. Gets easily overlooked since it's not as good for non cast builds

Getting +8 encounters of your beads and stones is super nice

[opal lodge]

its good on non cast weaps too though tbh

every weapon has a jerky theyd like to keep

hydralite becomes a real item

so does eye of lamia

it makes touch of styx last an obscene amount of time

[scarlet yoke]

Unfortunately, Premium Goods are unaffected

[shadow lark]

ok, is the point of guan yu spear to use multi hit boons for the spin attack?

cuz i'm using artemis attack, but i'm deleting everything in sight with that move

[lucid oar]

Guan Yu generally plays special -> 2 dash strikes, hoping for charged skewer

Frost fair honestly has a great move set

[proven osprey]

Spin is great with arty yeah

It gets much better with spin hammers but it's still great if you're still at lowish heat

[cunning elm]

Is there a commonly recommended guide(s) for how to play Hades at a higher level especially with regard to making builds? Not just "these 2-3 things combo well together", but the overall strategy of how to do those things. For example, how is fated authority most effectively used, or making room choices? My runs always seem at the mercy of rng while people talk about getting builds reliably

I've gotten to the credits and play <5 heat

[turbid needle]

do you mean speed or heat

[cunning elm]

Heat

Trying to give context on my being... intermediate, I guess?

[calm saddle]

is there a specific heat you are trying to clear?

[turbid needle]

hm so first of all you use fated persuasion in high heat mostly

[cunning elm]

4 actually, since I'm on a thicc loss streak and stubbornly refuse to change weapons or heat until I do it :D

[lucid oar]

Fated persuasion is usually better for getting the build you want, gods can be forced in using keepsakes

[cunning elm]

Yeah - I expect there are strategies people have to get those builds more reliably through the many choices offered throughout the game, whether using fated authority, selling boons, choosing one door over another

I do an okay job with those and get a nice build sometimes

[lucid oar]

Dark foresight helps a ton

[cunning elm]

I think there's room to be more reliable, given my read on people talking about builds

[lucid oar]

It makes the ratio of blue:gold doors from 50:50 to 30:70

[cunning elm]

I've got that one and my mirror is maxxed out except fated authority which is at 4

[turbid needle]

depends on what you aim for tbh

if youre talking about how do I achieve x build

like do you want a duo, just specific boons ect

you might wanna look at boon priority, I dont have the doc on hand

[cunning elm]

My assumption is higher level players will go into runs seeking a particular build and sure, not get it every time, but get it or something close more often than I'd be able to

[lucid oar]

Make sure you are using fated persuasion maxed out, make sure you have the upgrade that allows you to get rerolls when you get a key, use god keepsakes to get the boons you want, use dark foresight to get more boons, make sure you have the correct prerequisites for the boons you want. Those are the main points

[turbid needle]

^

[lucid oar]

Your assumption is correct, unless we purposely go for a meme run where everything is uncertain

[turbid needle]

forcing gods obviously

[cunning elm]

Other than currently getting darkness to max out persuasion, I do all of those things. That is heartening I suppose

Except I can stand to use the god keepsakes at the beginning

[lucid oar]

I use god keepsakes in both Tartarus and asphodel

Rarely elysium

[cunning elm]

All righty. It sounds like there's not a ton of strategy I'm missing

[lucid oar]

Luck also plays a huge part in it

[turbid needle]

yeah most of it is obvious, the more hidden stuff is going into boon priority and rerolls imo

getting good at the game even with supbar builds will help you streaking so keep practicing tbh

[lucid oar]

For example, I'll have runs like this, where I get the full build by the end of Tartarus: http://imgur.com/gallery/tamePCc
And others I won't get the full build at all

[cunning elm]

What does boon priority mean here?

I heavily consult the codex's boon info to work towards duos, if that's what you mean

[turbid needle]

the game has a system in which boons it offers to you

like for example core boons and status effect boons take priority over other boons

[cunning elm]

I think I'm unaware of that

Googling "boon priority" earlier didn't turn up anything but I can look again

[turbid needle]

if you use these things to your advantage you increase your chance of getting an duo boon you want for example

[cunning elm]

This isn't the same mechanic as pre reqs for some boons/duos/legendaries, right?

[turbid needle]

no

Nyaanyaa Mewmew — 11.05.2021
This is how the game rolls what boons you're offered.

(1) First boon offer on a run, fill all three slots with priority boons (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, or Dash),
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (Jolted, Marked, Rupture, Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with exchanges.
(Bearbeitet)
[22:42]
Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash are priority boons.

what this translates to is lets say you want to get merciful end and already have the prerequisites

you increase your chance of seeing that boon if you have cast and dash filled up as well

basicially you narrow down what a god might offer you to increase odds

[cunning elm]

WHOA

This is exactly the kind of information I'm looking for

From watching speedrunners/streamers a little here and there, I know there's decision making I'm unaware of

Like, I virtually never sell boons 🙃 so there's definitely room to improve - I just don't know how to be most effective at it to reach various goals

That's a solid tip in that direction

[turbid needle]

you dont need to sell boons usually

the main reason is for money

or you get a boon that takes up a slot you want something else in but then you shouldnt take that boon in the first place

[cunning elm]

I did find it amusing that you can sell pre reqs after getting the higher tier boons, so heh that too I suppose

[fading nymph]

Are the bombs Theseus throws out in EM3 traps? Just want to know bc of HS

[strange lark]

No

[fading nymph]

If you get hit by multiple at once does it just show one big number instead of multiple smaller ones?

[strange lark]

Idk I never get hit

[fading nymph]

I should try that

Was just wondering because I got one shot after losing tooth and the wiki says they do 30 damage which should only be 60 with HL5

[turbid needle]

wiki might be wrong tbh

they def do a lot

[strange lark]

They do 50 damage

So with hl5 it will do 100 damage which will immediately kill you after using the skelly dd

[fading nymph]

Ok so wiki wrong

Ty

[boreal prism]

is lambent plume shield viable at all? how would i build it

zeus aspect, presumably?

[cunning urchin]

If you try to block something, and you dodge it, it will pass through you instead.

[boreal prism]

wow that's an unexpected interaction

anyway im at 8 heat i can make ANYTHING work

[cunning urchin]

Indeed.

[fading nymph]

Infinite power

[boreal prism]

ok that was definitely worth it

I ended up with greater evasion, +23% on the plume, a heartrend build, 2 cast legendaries and a cast duo, a blade rift build, crit buffs, and pulverising blow

i was just pressing random buttons and winning at the hades fight

time for plume arthur!

[fading nymph]

That sounds…interesting

[warm aspen]

Which god should I go for with zag spear?

[turbid needle]

artemis is good

[robust anchor]

whats your favorite zag aspect

i really like shield or bow ngl

[boreal prism]

What about fists

[lucid oar]

Same

[boreal prism]

Dodge chance is silly

[storm ivy]

i like the demeter fists. zeus attack is cool but i usually find myself forcing merciful end.

but, i've never played past udner 20 heat

[boreal prism]

We're talking zag aspects

[storm ivy]

oh

[solemn wren]

Zag aspect rail is actually kinda nice
You get more ammo for attack (and I usually go Zeu Attack for rail)

[vale stirrup]

charged shot on the beowulf shield does it do knockback

[lucid oar]

I believe it does

[vale stirrup]

cool

i had trippy shot on it and it did like 1400 damage to those big rats as well as some knockback boons from poseidon

[deft canopy]

Anyone got any fun build ideas for me to try out l? Currently finishing all the weapons on 1 heat, the only actual build I’ve used this far is Merciful End but I’m looking for anything else that would be fun

[boreal prism]

have you built heart rend yet?

on any weapon that hits slow and hard, put artemis on attack and aphrodite on special, and then get heart rend duo

that's the "big number" build

because it makes numbers really big

[solemn wren]

Not really a “build” per say, but getting Hoarding slash and copious amounts of Charon Obel is fun ngl
You beat ||hades|| with the power of capitalism

[naive tusk]

I'd say it's more the power of frugality

[thorny pond]

BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I got heroic greatest reflex

4+ dashes

[fading nymph]

Nice

[solemn wren]

Please tell me you were going for a dash run

[thorny pond]

I wasn't

But now I am

[warm aspen]

Does divine strike work with a zeus dash build?

Nvm, I'll do it anyways

[opal lodge]

they dont really interact at all but they arent antisynergistic either?

[warm aspen]

I meant "Is divine strike good for a Zeus dash build or not?"

But that run is already won, so the question doesn't matter

[weary ridge]

Rush delivery vs quick favor both epic level what do i pick lol haaaaalp

[strange lark]

rush delivery

[weary ridge]

oh

no hypersprint thou 🙂

is 20% worth it? 🙂

[strange lark]

well quick favor isnt great

and whenever i see rush delivery i pick it up

so yes

[weary ridge]

okey

Thought it might be good with athena call cos im a potato

i mean i always aim for rush when i can but that seemed like a good idea so idk it confused me

[silk hearth]

whats quick favour, is it the one that boosts god gauge gain

[strange lark]

it automatically charges your god gauge

its like 1% every second at epic rarity

i dont think its better than rush delivery

[weary ridge]

yea but global damage boost is just a better option lol 😄

[silk hearth]

yea

[weary ridge]

Now i just need to get hyper delivery and my arctic blast will do 200 damage 😄

[silk hearth]

epic rush delivery is 100% of speed which is soo strong

[strange lark]

yeah

[weary ridge]

Doing icy dash strike spear 🙂

[little niche]

is there a channel where i could drop my stream trynna speedrun things?

[strange lark]

#self-promotion

[little niche]

thanks

didnt scroll that much down 😄

[strange lark]

lmao

[lucid oar]

Is quake cutter affected by special bonuses like explosive return?

[turbid needle]

I believe so.

[edgy grotto]

Any good user friendly spear builds? It's probably the weapon I'm the worst with

[strange lark]

You can use achilles spear with flurry jab, get either artemis or zeus on attack and poseidon on your dash

[south grail]

i have a question is heroic lower or higher than legendary boon?

I'm trying to unlock the achievement where you need to purge a legendary boon

[proven osprey]

It's not the same type of boon. Heroic is a boon rarity improved beyond epic

And a legendary boon is one with 2 prerequisites

Ways to get heroic boons being : Rare Crop, Eurydice, exchange from a god

[boreal prism]

if you want the achievement then go for the hermes legendary

you can get the hermes legendary with no other boons, just lambent plume

[proven osprey]

it's a pain to get

2 hermes per run, no god keepsake

[south grail]

hermes legendary?

ah

i only need three more

Thanks, But No Thanks
Purge a Legendary Boon

Dark Reflections
Fulfill the 'Dark Reflections' Prophecy

Bad Call
Use an Olympian's Greater Call against them in a Trial

[proven osprey]

I remember the last one. I just waited with Quick Favor lol

[strange lark]

Big brain play

[fading nymph]

I just stood there and let them take all of my DDs

[strange lark]

Bigger brain play

[fading nymph]

Arty asked what was wrong with me

[turbid needle]

Is it just me or is spear infernal aspect actually garbage

[fading nymph]

Guan Yu?

[turbid needle]

Like I can’t get very far with it heat wise

Ye

[fading nymph]

I personally dont like it

But I also just don't like the spear

Don't do a spin build though

Special is better

and you kinda need it to be max level

bc then it only takes away half your health

still a lot

but

better

[thorny pond]

i have a question

does beowulf up the damage of your cast?

cause dinosyus cast hits for like 1400 with only 6 levels into it

[unkempt pagoda]

beowulf has a unique set of cast boons, is why

regular dio cast and dio flare (beowulf-only) are pretty similar in effect, but the damage numbers are different

the difference between casts and flares are more pronounced in other gods

[static karma]

I did guan yu 32 decently easily, charged skewer with artemis or Aphrodite on special and the other god of Aphrodite o artemis on attack is good, you do special into two dash strikes as your main combo

Heart rend would be good with this setup

Don’t ever spin

Spin is only meant for rare instances when you’re safe but the big hit box high damage special is the actual reason you use guan yu

[fading nymph]

Why didn’t they make a good move heal

[opal lodge]

to note: re beowulf

if you have mirage, beowulf also hits MUCH harder than other cast weapons

and i believe the last nerf brought dio cast in line between flare and normal cast

used to be much much better

[silk hearth]

wow im having trouble with asterius and theseus

zeus shield gets theseus cart off before i can defeat asterius

[valid prism]

Theseus has less hp than Asterius from the start so if you're focusing Theseus too much it's inevitable

[silk hearth]

yea

it seems that my shield is hitting theseus quite a bit even though i try to aim asterius

[spare flare]

Anyone have specific tips for Guan Yu gameplay? I get that the special is the bee'a proverbial knees, but I find that, no matter what I do, I can't get beyond just 4 heat (I know, super low. Nothing else gives me this trouble.) because some hitbox dissonance screws me over too hard, my boon and hammer luck is just off-the-charts horrible, or something else, so I'm trying to learn a build that'll minimize the RNG screwage.

[strange lark]

you should read this

#h1-discussion message

its a quick guide on guan yu

[turbid needle]

getting good minimizes rng issues ngl

you dont need much other than good base dmg

which is very easy to get

practice more

[strange lark]

yeah the best tip is git gud

[spare flare]

Okay, basically just what I've been doing, but don't get unlucky . . .

I'm sure that it doesn't help that I'm the one guy that practically never gets hit by traps, so I often take HS, but then onr of Hades' soul jars randomly explodes and somehow touches me for 150 bloody damage even though I'm clearly standing outside its radius. >.<

[strange lark]

just turn off hs

you shouldnt use it until high heat

like 40+

[spare flare]

Yeah, I'm trying that from now on.

[turbid needle]

if you die on 4 heat you dont die bc of bad rng ngl

[silk hearth]

oof

its true

[cunning urchin]

My advice for not getting hit by traps is to not step on traps. But even then, that's only one DD, so you're losing DDs to other things. Gotta work on that.

You could do some Guan Yu runs with the Pierced Butterfly just to get you into the mindset of no-hitting encounters.

[proven osprey]

Special, double dash strike is your main dps rotation. Include casts in between for boiling blood. Hammers : Charged skewer (number one), Quick and Massive Spin are good. Breaching skewer is good with charged skewer, otherwise inferior to the others but still better than most hammers.

Good attacks : Artemis Aphro Demeter Athena

Good special : anything that is % base. Best scaling goes to Artemis with Hunter's mark

Spin between waves otherwise you're getting hit, probably. Quick spin helps a ton with that

[spare flare]

Okay, yeah, I guess that we should all play this game so much that we never make any mistakes . . . Good advice . . .

@proven osprey Thanks! Sounds like what I had read and tried before, but a good summary, anyway. I'll stick to that pattern and try without HS so that traps cheating up my damage don't deplete me so badly.

[proven osprey]

yeah HS is only one heat and can kill a run easily. Urns are BS by the way. They linger more then the animation tells you, and sometimes you just have to choose between a hit and and urn so

You can try to destroy them from afar with GY's special though, and cast. That should help

[cunning urchin]

Where did anyone say "never make any mistakes"?

[spare flare]

It's not very hyperbolic from the given sentiment.

Look, let's not get into this. I'm thankful for the genuine advice. Let's just leave it at that.

[cunning urchin]

I think it's quite disrespectful to react like this when people are trying to help you. Guan Yu is a glass canon aspect. Butterfly can help you focus on practicing a playstyle that takes fewer unnecessary risks. That doesn't mean at all I'd expect you to play anywhere near perfect.

And stepping on 150 damage urns just happens sometimes, better to look at the specific enemies or moves that hit you more frequently and figure out how to better deal with that so that even if you step on an urn, you can still make it.

[wise fjord]

wait, when do urns do 150 damage?

[spare flare]

I wasn't being disrespectful. I again implore you to drop it.

[strange lark]

with heightened security

[wise fjord]

ohhhh right, thx

[cunning urchin]

A sarcastic "good advice . . ." is not my idea of respectful.

[timber coyote]

Nemesis build anyone?

[strange lark]

artemis attack, aphro special, artemis dash, heartrend

[lucid oar]

Double edge

[strange lark]

double edge

and get chaos dash strike boons

[timber coyote]

got it

thanks

[lucid oar]

You can also go curse of agony, divine flourish, merciful end and divine dash

[timber coyote]

always a fan of a ME build

[wise fjord]

anyone have any tips for using coronacht? ive never really tried getting a clear on it bc i didn't like the feel, im wondering if there's anything i should know before starting out

[strange lark]

always use dash strikes

[wise fjord]

thanks

with a bow that sounds so strange

[timber coyote]

under a mintue in and i got artemis attack and double edge B)

[strange lark]

nice

[strange lark]

dash strikes make the bow charge faster

but they deal less damage

[timber coyote]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/776871993441124356/854774093190660116/unknown.png?width=582&height=473

Which one

[strange lark]

attack

[timber coyote]

ok

just wanted to make sure

[wise fjord]

charge faster?

[timber coyote]

Charge the bow shot faster

[wise fjord]

than just standing there or smth

[timber coyote]

ye

[timber coyote]

just came back to the run and got this which one do i get? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/776871993441124356/854790787345416192/unknown.png?width=546&height=473

[turbid needle]

piercing

[timber coyote]

ok

YESSSSSSS I GOT PATTY

[proven osprey]

Prophecy :(

[storm ivy]

I have a question about Aphrodite’s charm effects. If I hit an already charmed opponent, will it break the charm? What dictates how long an enemy stays charmed

[strange lark]

I think that it will increase the charm duration

And for the legendary boon it says how long enemies are charmed for (I think 4 seconds)

And on the call it says how long enemies are charmed for and it can be upgraded

Also charm effects are shortened on bosses but I don't know how much

[boreal prism]

Given how other effects work, it would probably reset charm duration?

[storm ivy]

Oh

Ok thanks

[solemn wren]

I say hoarding and turn your run into a Charon Obel run

[timber coyote]

I had little at that point and that was in elysium so it wasnt the best idea. Besides piercing won me the run so yeah

[dry ember]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802615525141643265/854883013144608778/unknown.png

[solid sable]

^

anything with a shield can go die (again)

anyway anyone have a good Zeus shield build?

Ive been trying to use shield but I just dont know how

[sterile fiber]

I tend to stack passive damage on the shield

since you can block attacks, you can be in the middle of lots of enemies, hitting them over and over

so like, Ares or Dio on regular attack and spam bull rush

I think Ares on regular also applies to the bull rush so you can doom a lot of enemies at once

[scarlet yoke]

Ares Strike on the Board is probably my favourite one

Ooh, that'd make a good ME build

[sterile fiber]

I just did a vengeful mood build on the shield and it's pretty cool

can someone ELI5 ME

is it like, if you deflect an attack into an enemy, they get doom

[scarlet yoke]

Merciful End, the Ares/Athena Duo. It makes Doom strike early if you hit with a deflecting attack (not a deflected attack).

[royal needle]

how do i post a screen shot here? i just wrecked thanatos and i kinda want to share lol

[sterile fiber]

oh so the enemy needs to have doom already

upload the pic someone else and post link

[royal needle]

#h1-victory-boasting message

theres a new god of death

[sterile fiber]

how do the damage numbers work? If I see, say, 30 60 90 in succession does it mean 30+60+90 or 30+30+30

[cunning urchin]

30+30+30.

[scarlet yoke]

Only damage associated with different gods (in different colours) will ever generate more than one number

[spare flare]

Is Aspect of Demeter still the Malphon meta?

[turbid needle]

Yup.

[spare flare]

Cool, thanks.

[vale oasis]

Which boon do you guys recommend for zag sword special? I'm currently running with zeus attack and poseidon dash, but I can't find something that actually helps me.

I would also like some builds for this aspect, thanks ❤️

[proven osprey]

I like Athena for the safety of the wide deflect. It's also necessary if you want to go Merciful End, the well known shred everything build.

I like having doom on special since it's aoe and the damage is quite good. Deadly flourish can crit for interesting numbers.

So again, ME is like the speedy build but you can make a lot of things work.

Zeus attack and Poseidon dash is also the build I'm trying for my 50 heat attempts. It's reliable and deals with damage control efficiently

[vale oasis]

I might try Merciful End, thankss

Any tips on this one, btw?

When i use Zeus / poseidon i feel like a glass canon lol, i think i need to work on my movements

[solid sable]

C R I T S

[proven osprey]

Yeah, work on your movement. Each dash strike (special double dash strike being your dps rotation) is commitment so be careful. Divine dash will help a lot and is core of ME anyway

Core of the build I mean, not part of the duo requirement

[vale oasis]

Yeah, sure

Thank you man, helped a lot

[proven osprey]

o7

[strange lark]

aphro attack, zeus special, and a call to get smoldering air

for hammers you should get charged shot and sudden rush

if you dont get those then explosive return is the next best thing

you can also use poseidon dash to increase the dps by a lot

you should also get double strike or high voltage to get the legendary boon from zeus

[turbid needle]

pls gib me bow build with crazy dmg

[solid sable]

Heart rend

heart rend works for zag and chiron

idk bout Hera, but for Rama try to go for Triple shot and use it like a shotgun

[turbid needle]

what is heart rend

i have chiron

i spend all my titan blood for aegis chaos shield and posidon sword and chiron bow

[royal needle]

what i do with rama is zeus on special, aphrodite on attack and basically just keep spamming htat

eventually, once you have enough zeus boons it becomes a full on machine gun

[turbid needle]

what about sheild

crazy damage sheild build

or vartha beyblade build

[royal needle]

im not too good with sheild, but chaos aspect with ares or zeus on special usually works well

get charged shot or sudden rush

[turbid needle]

ok thank you'

[uncut glacier]

I'ma go for the sword doom build if its possible cause i want dps for fast attacks