(which is normal since duos do not enable any boon)
#h1-builds-and-combat
proven osprey
turbid needle
So I was doing some reading recently and what Hunting Blades does is make your Blade Rifts pursue enemies for 3.3 seconds and then they finish out the duration following whatever momentum they had when the timer expired.
prime berry
I see, if you had a way of shooting it on an enemy and they have pull, would be okay. Also, freeze stacking super fast and the Blast clear boon could be good. Artemis doesnt increase damage just makes it much mroe reliable, so it makes sense
prime berry
So I was doing some reading recently and what Hunting Blades does is make your B...
I see, thanks. Definitely a cool cast. What weapon do you like to use it on?
proven osprey
So I was doing some reading recently and what Hunting Blades does is make your B...
thanks for the precision about the duration :D
It's very cool on Achilles for the 150% bonus
turbid needle
Lemme double-check the Hades wiki real quick, last I checked it was correct.
Yes, 3.3 seconds.
proven osprey
I see, if you had a way of shooting it on an enemy and they have pull, would be ...
The thing is artic blast is not even good. It scales with rarity only, it's not pommable and it actually clears the effect which means you lose your chill
turbid needle
Arctic Blast is really only worthwhile on a fully-kitted Crystal Clarity build, in which case it's completely superfluous.
turbid needle
Well, we're never gonna get my "Stacks of Chill give a chance to automatically Backstab" Duo with Athena, so.
proven osprey
Yeah, was just pointing the fact that losing 10 stacks of chill could be detrimental against angry dad lol
turbid needle
That's fair.
proven osprey
but the boon would not even work on most setups anyway
prime berry
Can you get Curse of Drowning on the Hera Bow?
slim lynx
how does black out work? does it increase hangover damage specifically or does it increase all damage dealt to hangover-afflicted foes
prime berry
how does black out work? does it increase hangover damage specifically or does i...
All damage dealt from any source is increased
earnest moat
Dont remember what weapon was it, but posideon attack and sea storm
Quite fun, too bad the rest of my boons sucked
twin mural
anyone here have suggestions/ideas for "one punch builds" for the game? asking for a friend
turbid needle
hestia w aphro attack, beo with charged shot
boreal prism
Like, you wanna hit really really hard?
twin mural
specifically with fists
if that's a thing
i know hestia and beo have those capabilities
but we were wondering if there's a way to do so with fists
boreal prism
One punch with fists... will never do that much
limber cloak
gilgamesh dash-strikes
if youre looking for one-thousand punch builds
but seriously though, dem special with explosive upper is probably your best choice
turbid needle
Flying cutter is nice too
strange lark
Can you get Curse of Drowning on the Hera Bow?
no
strange lark
curse of drowning doesnt work with beowulf, hera, and mirage shot for some reason
strange lark
how does black out work? does it increase hangover damage specifically or does i...
the hangover damage is increased while an enemy inflicted with hangover is inside festive fog
valid prism
? You're talking about Curse of Drowning or Black Out?
strange lark
blackout
valid prism
Oh you were answering to Spammy, k
strange lark
ye
valid prism
Quotes are invisible on smartphone 😔
strange lark
lmao
opal lodge
its not just hangover damage
its all damage increased in festive fog on enemies that have hangover stacks on them
strange lark
damn im an idiot
opal lodge
nah blackouts a really confusing boon
fringe jacinth
idea: stubborn roots + smoldering air build where u just rely on ur call and when ur not using it ur health charges up
strange lark
or you could just play normally
why would you lose all your DDs just for that build
boreal prism
if you're already invested in zeus you might as well go for vengeful mood + smoldering air
if you get splash dash on top of that, you can easily avoid ever using your weapon
fading nymph
I feel like stubborn roots is just a safety blanket
You shouldn't really be planning to lose all of your DD but if you do its there
boreal prism
well sometimes you already lost all your DDs and then you get offered SR and.. how can you refuse
strange lark
im never gonna give it up
fading nymph
bc if you do lose all of them then its a life saver
Just saying building around it doesn't seem great
strange lark
yeah
fading nymph
The first time I got it was the first time I made it to Hades seccond phase because of how good it was
And then I died because I dashed into a rock when I was trying to go behind cover during lazers
that was sad
strange lark
rip
turbid needle
have yall seen the "sit and wait" build
you stack health, resistances, and revenge boons
its the hades equivalent of "luigi wins by doing nothing"
turbid needle
i wanna try it but the entire run up to that point sounds so painful to my soul
iron knot
have yall seen the "sit and wait" build
I haven't but I want to
devout geode
What's a good build for low to no heat runs with Achilles aspect on Varatha?
strange lark
What's a good build for low to no heat runs with Achilles aspect on Varatha?
Flurry jab, zeus attack or artemis attack
devout geode
noted- anything to avoid for the special?
devout geode
Oo I didn't consider that, thanks!
strange lark
Np
naive solstice
I decided to give the Railgun yet another chance and died to Hades for the first time since 50+ runs
I hate this weapon so much lmao
light adder
what is a good build for aspect of chiron
strange lark
what is a good build for aspect of chiron
Ares attack, dio special, aphro dash, curse of nausea, low tolerance, and curse of longing
turbid needle
god dang
strange lark
You got hit with boiling blood and spear throw or something
weary ridge
what does the boiling blood do lol i try not to get hit by it 😄
strange lark
It makes you take double damage from hades
lucid oar
Ares attack, dio special, aphro dash, curse of nausea, low tolerance, and curse ...
For this build I’d recommend Aphrodite attack and curse of vengeance, it makes it safer and more consistent at applying weak, and is therefore easier to activate privileged status.
strange lark
I just like the extra damage
strange lark
Ye but I like the extra damage
turbid needle
this is true
mossy finch
any late game aphrodite build suggestions?
mossy finch
idk
just something cool/fun with aphrodite
i just want to do her quest
ive tried
cunning urchin
Quest?
You mean like to max her affinity?
You need to forge a bond with Dusa, Thanatos, and Megaera to forge a bond with Lady Aphrodite.
mossy finch
the list of minor progecies
mossy finch
i just want to run aphrdite for something
i dont run her stuff a lot because her boons are really bad
cunning urchin
What? Her boons are insanely good.
turbid needle
you said that to the wrong person lmao
mossy finch
she doesnt really combo with anything
cunning urchin
She has the highest % damage on Attack and Special, highest damage Cast that lodges, an amazing Call, amazing Duo Boons.
mossy finch
theres not any good combos that create cool playstyles
cunning urchin
Smoldering Air is legit broken.
Heart Rend is crazy good for DPS in the right builds.
mossy finch
ok fine correction shes not fun
cunning urchin
Parting Shot on Phalanx Shot with Blinding Flash is stupid good.
mossy finch
what do you think about posidon zues aphrodite?
cunning urchin
Low Tolerance is the best Duo Boon for Hangover builds.
turbid needle
zeus aphrodite smoldering pog
cunning urchin
Well, trying to build for three gods is gonna be quite the challenge to get anything good with. You generally look for two specific ones at most and otherwise work with the other two gods you get in your pool naturally.
turbid needle
the problem is you cant guarantee 3 specific gods till elysium, and its hard not to have a full god pool by then
cunning urchin
And even if you don't, that's late in the run.
turbid needle
exactly
mossy finch
well i do it consistently so....
cunning urchin
m talking about optimizing builds. You can do it, but that doesn't mean the build is gonna be anywhere near optimal for DPS or anything.
Eternal Rose in Tartarus and Thunder Signet in Asphodel is always great for getting Smoldering Air. And then depending on aspect, you look for particular gods for the other 2 in your pool or just make due with what you get if you're forced into them.
That's a very general guideline that works for any aspect.
mossy finch
just got sea storm before asphodel kek
mossy finch
well once ya add aphrodite you can get the pom thing and the smoldering air
cunning urchin
Sweet Nectar.
mossy finch
also whats this god pool stuff
I was aware the game tries to give you boons from gods you already have but how exactly does it work
turbid needle
you can have 4 gods other than hermes and chaos in your pool
once your pool is full, youll only be given those 4 gods
mossy finch
ah
turbid needle
sometimes you want to keep it open for specific gods, and sometimes you want to close it early to make it so you get more of the gods in your pool sooner
mossy finch
what do you mean close it?
turbid needle
fill up those 4 slots quickly
when the 4 slots are taken the pool is closed
before the pool is closed you have a 1/8 of any particular non-hermes olympian when the game decides to give you a non-hermes olympian
but once your pool is closed, that becomes a 1/4
mossy finch
ah
turbid needle
so it can be beneficial if youre going for a particular duo or legendary to close your pool quickly so you get more of those god's boons
leaden nimbus
are crystal beam builds good or just a meme?
cunning urchin
They're decent.
mossy finch
kinda useless without artemis/aphrodite thing tho
cunning urchin
Still okay without Duo Boons, but definitely way better when you get them.
m not the best at using base Crystal Beam, but Haelian uses it very effectively.
leaden nimbus
gotcha
mossy finch
is there anything for reaching surface with guan yu or am i using this piece of garbage for nothing
ok yeah there is
crud
any tricks for making it tolerable or nah?
boreal prism
you dont have to beat the final boss with it to get the reward
and also, gy gets a lot stronger when you level it up, unlike most other hidden aspects
mossy finch
wdym you dont have to beat the final boss with it to get the reward
oh you just need to get there?
boreal prism
yeah
proven osprey
Guan Yu is the only aspect that does not get stronger with lv up
cunning urchin
@mossy finch this might help. #h1-discussion message
boreal prism
"not dying when you use it" sounds stronger than "dying"
cunning urchin
Just don't get hit.
It's one of the most popular aspects for Pierced Butterfly runs for a reason. 
turbid needle
Good builds for beo shield?
earnest moat
Any cast and attack amps
Combat help with posideon sword? It just feels out of place to back of ffor shooting a cast
slim lynx
flood flare, get deadly strike and then mirage shot
there's your build really, but also take every chaos gate and every chance you get at chaos gates because you can get extra casts and increased cast damage from chaos
only times you shouldn't take cast boons from chaos is if they come with the slippery/enshrouded curses
never worth it
@turbid needle
celest lantern
never worth it
NOT true! If you get a chaos gate right before the room right before a boss, and the chaos room has only one exit, it's the opposite; it's free! (edit: for enshrounded)
chaos ->(1) room before the boss ->(2) boss ->(3) mid-biome ->(4) new biome ->(5) first encounter
asphodel always has 1 exit on it's first room, elysium has 2
slim lynx
slippery right into a boss isn't free
celest lantern
so you can get up to 5 enshrouded for free if you're right before the furies, 4 if you're right before lernie
slim lynx
maybe enshrouded is a lot less awful but i'd still not recommend taking it ever if you're still looking for stuff
celest lantern
tbf this is so specific it's not really worth remembering anyway
is Wave Pounding actually worth it?
It's just 2x Ares's "Urge to Kill", but it only affects the interaction between a subset of attacks and a subset of foes...
cunning urchin
I think Enshrouded is fine.
If you're speedrunning and it doesn't work out, you just reset anyway.
And if you're not speedrunning, it doesn't really matter.
slim lynx
even outside of speedrunning and high heat, i'd say enshrouded is not worth taking
certainly you're always wanna get a certain thing
npc room, midshop, boon, etc
lucid oar
I'll always take it on casual Dio beo runs if the reward is an extra cast
cunning urchin
Yeah, if the reward is good, there's no good reason to not take it.
A lot of rooms in Tartarus especially only have 1 exit anyway.
The only good reason I can see to not take it if the reward is what you want is if you're doing like multi-weapon speedrun or races or something.
Or if you want like a very specific build for whatever meme reason maybe, I guess?
lucid oar
Honestly if it's just a casual run, I'll take any curse.
As long as the reward is good, I'm down
cunning urchin
Exactly.
If you're out of DDs and hoping to see Patroclus would be another good reason not to take it.
lucid oar
If you're out of DDs and hoping to see Patroclus would be another good reason no...
I just remembered I took a +foes curse in Tartarus in my recent lambent plume fun run turned Zeus shield speedrun 
Probably could have gone sub 9
strange lark
Good builds for beo shield?
artemis cast, aphro attack, poseidon special, heartrend, mirage shot
or you can just do dio cast
royal wraith
where can you view the daedalus hammer upgrades list ?
strange lark
where can you view the daedalus hammer upgrades list ?
you cant view it in game but you can check the wiki
royal wraith
would it be possible to combine furry slash with cursed slash ?
strange lark
yes
royal wraith
any particular way how ? just look for daedalus ?
because the boons are relatively random there, no ?
royal wraith
yea thought so
oh well
any way you can increase the frequency of daedalus's appearance, though ?
strange lark
any way you can increase the frequency of daedalus's appearance, though ?
get the dark foresight mirror upgrade
but even with that upgrade you can only get 2 hammers
you would have to use an anvil to get a third
royal wraith
you would have to use an anvil to get a third
it can only be bought at styx, right ?
strange lark
yeah
strange lark
yeah
scarlet yoke
Is it just me or does Divine Strike just Not Work with Igneus Eden?
strange lark
yeah the deflect doesnt work on the beam
you can only deflect things that hit the gun while its shooting
scarlet yoke
Is this intentional?
strange lark
idk probably
scarlet yoke
Speaking of Igneus, it's weird how you can actually see Hellfire Bombs change colour when you get a Flourish boon
strange lark
i think its cool
valid prism
The beam doesn't even counter the projectiles so no hitbox = no chance of reflect
scarlet yoke
I just think it's weird that you can slice an arrow in half and NOT have it get deflected
Or even broken in the case of witches
scarlet yoke
Metaphorically speaking
strange lark
it would be kinda broken if the beam could deflect everything
fading nymph
Is the anvil ever worth it
weary ridge
Does Support fire go off 7 times with Demeter Charged cutter? 🙂 I kinda addicted to using support fire whenever i can get it
strange lark
Does Support fire go off 7 times with Demeter Charged cutter? 🙂 I kinda addicte...
no but i think it will go off a couple times
weary ridge
oh so all the extra "hits" get combined then?
Atleast flying kick and quake cutter seem to work well with that weapon
strange lark
flying kick and quake cutter are fine
urban vapor
give me boons for guan yu
strange lark
aphro special charged skewer
strange lark
also this
strange lark
charged skewer?
its a hammer upgrade
urban vapor
i see
opinion on doom for attack? also if i lean into artemis who else should i pair/duo with
strange lark
doom is fine on attack
if you want artemis you should do artemis special, charged skewer, aphro attack, heartrend
strange lark
extra crit damage to weak enemies
urban vapor
i see
ive had lots of fun bottling doom runs with guan yu so excited to try artemis and aphro
idk i find it hard to work with the long attack combos bc you have to stay in animation for so long
urban vapor
ik
but even when special --> dash x2 it just feels long
maybe i am spoiled by bursty nemesis
and if im focusing on dashstrikes i should pr pick up tidal dash right
or is divine still the better choice
strange lark
Take hunters dash on dash strike builds
urban vapor
i see
ty
is there any room to fit zeus into the build bc i would like to try for aspect of lucifer
boreal prism
But then you have to hear the hunter dash sound effect :(
turbid needle
just put him on call
strange lark
Ye
strange lark
But then you have to hear the hunter dash sound effect :(
Yeah
urban vapor
hey zeus my guy pls tell me abt this satanic heathen cultist leader's laser gun please also can i have chain lightning for gun ty ty
strange lark
Ok
devout mason
Does anyone have a recommendation for a cast focused build?
Was thinking of Achilles for that extra dmg but honestly have no idea
turbid needle
achilles is good for cast ye
lucid oar
Poseidon: +50% cast damage (additive) if you special a foe with a cast inside it, it will immediately be dislodged.
Achilles: tap special twice and the next 4 casts (or attacks) deal +150% damage (additive)
A note about Achilles: if you raging rush then do 3 casts, doing another rush will not put you back at 4 boosted attacks, you can only refresh the buff if you are not already buffed.
@devout mason
devout mason
Mhm for the Achilles buff I did notice that, what's the conclusion on which one's better then?
lucid oar
Poseidon is more consistent, but Achilles will usually do more damage
Poseidon might be slightly better for casts that lodge in enemies
Achilles is good will nearly all casts tbh
cunning urchin
Hunter Dash has a sound effect?
boreal prism
Yeah it sounds like you're running through a bush or something
dreamy osprey
What are best aggresive builds
boreal prism
I dont like it i think its bad
If you want aggressive, maybe zag fists?
Run into a pile of enemies and only get hit 85% of the time
devout geode
Quick question about boons for an Eris run- I have Zeus on attack, Athena's damage reduction and Aphro's cast, and I can take either Demeter or Ares next- which is better to take?
turbid needle
kinda whatever to be honest
ares on special prob does more than dem
demeter+athena give you a good duo tho
both arent amazing
devout geode
woot- thanks
untold quiver
Does anyone have a recommendation for a cast focused build?
My Two favorite Cast builds are Poseidon Blade Artimis (get her cast, get exit wounds, get bonus casts, get machine gun cast) and Achilles Spear Hunting Blades
opaque hare
so, i keep trying a pretty dumb build just to screw around, that requires a lot of luck which is what makes it dumb
basically making rush delivery give you lots of dmg
get rush delivery with rarity and then buying ignited ichor with bone hourglass
i usually manage to get at least rare rush delivery but then at the final biome i never get the damn ichor
sadly there aren't much sources of movement speed
but imagine having epic rush delivery and buying lots of ichor, that would be damn fun, and fast
there is no limit of well's items you can hold at once right?
strange lark
there is no limit of well's items you can hold at once right?
No
cunning urchin
@opaque hare the way to make Rush Delivery broken is to take Hyper Sprint first boon. Hyper Sprint gives you 100% movement speed bonus and it counts for Rush Delivery as soon as your dash starts until the duration of Hyper Sprint after the dash ends.
That combo is extremely common in speedrun builds.
mossy finch
Interesting fact from my last run:
the spears explosive throw seems to animation cancel into the basic jab or the other way around
i used this with merciful end and doom on the spear and deflect on the jab to do more than 400 damage a second from a reasonable range and relative safety
actually im testing it now on the end screen and its not an animation cancel its just really fast
scarlet yoke
Hot Take: higher tiers of Lambent Plume should increase the time limit instead of the bonus.
How is Lambent Plume determined anyway?
jovial fulcrum
i'm not sure what you mean
boreal prism
you can see the current timer for plume next to its picture on the left hand side
maybe rokon is asking about how the game decides how long a room should take
mossy finch
They are
jovial fulcrum
its based on the particular room. I'm not sure if it takes into consideration the exact enemies, but i think it does count whether or not its an elite enemies room (skull room, but not a mini boss)
glass dawn
What build should I go for, for the third boss(es)?
strange lark
any particular weapon?
scarlet yoke
You take what you can get tbh
Theseus is a real blackguard with some nasty tricks but you'll get the hang of it
glass dawn
usually the fists but i really dont have much titans blood for the attribute things (i forgot what its called lol)
i have to go anyways so dm me
strange lark
aspects
royal wraith
hammers can't replace one another, can they ?
boreal prism
Some hammers are incompatible with other hammers and in that case the incompatible one doesn't show up
lone crow
Is spear à good choice ?
I like to play with, good range to avoid damage ^^
opal lodge
what do you mean why do people use it
good single target damage
range
why wouldnt you use it
mossy finch
Yeah but what makes it better than other single target things
opal lodge
all weapons in this game are good in their own way
well its the highest burst damage
spear is fine but requires certain hammers
mossy finch
No Hestia is but ok keep going
opal lodge
hestia is but can tend to fall off
lone crow
spear is fine but requires certain hammers
Yes indeed ^^
There is à tier list somewhere ?
mossy finch
Fair
mossy finch
Do you have a build?
opal lodge
for the most part the bow special is a nonstarter unless you find charged volley
most builds are attack based
zag bow with arty attack and passion dash for heart rend is solid
the thing with bows is that they do often require certain hammers for optimal play
triple/twin for zag, triple/flurry for hera, and triple/twin for rama
mossy finch
Ok so Artemis Aphrodite...
opal lodge
i dont know enough about chiron to say definitively
mossy finch
What about posidon
mossy finch
Is he good on bow
mossy finch
Dash maybe
opal lodge
usually the only thing you want from poseidon is tidal dash on hera or hydraulic might on the other two
helps with some aoe
but you can also just learn to line up shots for aoe
something like triple shot also helps with aoe
mossy finch
Ooooh what about ares
opal lodge
battle rage is nice
mossy finch
Since doom would be good
mossy finch
Because the slow fire rate
opal lodge
high base damage points toward arty/aphrodite
mossy finch
Drop it on the special and you can rage everything with doom right?
opal lodge
you could
mossy finch
Plus I like the arty Aphrodite duo boon
mossy finch
And the ares Artemis
opal lodge
you can do anything you want in this game
mossy finch
That thing clears rooms
opal lodge
its just not playing to bows strengths
mossy finch
I wouldn’t call ares not playing to specials strengths but ok
opal lodge
sure
just depends on your goals
again anything can work for just clearing
people have beaten this game hitting nothing but the call and summon buttons
going fast or doing high heat narrows what's viable
turbid needle
bow is fast, great single target dmg that is ranged like its good yeah
turbid needle
yeah...
strange lark
Ye bow special is bad
I don't know why you would use it on anything other than rama or chiron
strange lark
I havent used charged volley that much
opal lodge
its a lot of damage
strange lark
I'll give it a try then
turbid needle
I never get charged volley bc I only play the cool bow :)
valid prism
Special can be used against BP2 skulls
gives some seconds to think about how to deal with the room 😄
boreal prism
Special is bow's answer to huge crowds, but it's not a good answer
That's just bow's weakness, all weapons have weaknesses
valid prism
Well, if you have Dio or Ares on special and the room is BP2 FO2 dangerous, if doing a powershot is not safe at all, you can move and spam special until you find your way to powershot
thorn arch
I'd like to know how to get enough titan blood to max out beowulf aspect
I've beaten the final boss 3 times
boreal prism
Do you understand how heat works?
If you increase heat, you will earn more boss rewards. Other ways to get blood is to buy it at the styx shop, or trading your ambrosia for it in the lounge, or fishing, I think?
mossy finch
alright so other than artemis and aphrodite what else is good with bow
boreal prism
With bow you wanna maximize attack damage, and artemis aphro are the best at that. But any god that gives you a % increase in damage can help
Demeter, for example
mossy finch
for a crit build would athena be good
for the duo boons
both the extra cast damage and the extra crit chance
or na
boreal prism
Yeah sure that could work
Remember if you're building for duos to set up your mirror correctly
boreal prism
Yeah
mossy finch
I signifigantly prefer duo boon focussed builds because I think they are more fun
strange lark
I'd like to know how to get enough titan blood to max out beowulf aspect
It takes 15
fading nymph
duo boon go brrrr
tranquil trellis
Sucks you can't show pics.
But I just made a build and I kind of want to share it. It's not that complex so stop me if you've heard this one before
cunning urchin
You can post a link to imgur or upload the image to a private discord server and link that.
tranquil trellis
So you use the bow of Charron which makes it so once you hit somebody with an attack you basically lock onto them. And I have Aphrodite attack which whenever I hit them and gives them weakness. And basically for my special I have Dionysus Boone which makes it so special inflicts hangover. Then I have a Duo boon which makes it so that whenever an enemy is inflicted with weakness they can be inflicted with hangover 7 times instead of five times. Then a lot of the other boons do stuff like make weakness more powerful or make hangover more powerful or make it last longer or stuff like that. Or they make the special stronger or they make the special shoot more arrows. But the whole kit is set up around those three boons
cunning urchin
Or any other image-hosting site works.
tranquil trellis
Oh ok
cunning urchin
Low Tolerance is one of my favorite builds on Chiron. 
boreal prism
Chiron bow is cool for those kinds of duos
cunning urchin
m glad you're having fun with it.
tranquil trellis
Yeah. Was actually my first time playing with the bow of Chiron and it was a lot of fun.
cunning urchin
Since you're starting with Heartbreak Strike, you can also pick up Deadly Flourish and go for their Duo Boon instead.
tranquil trellis
Hm
cunning urchin
I tend just go with whoever I see first between Lady Artemis and Lord Dionysus for my Special when I use Chiron.
cunning urchin
Yes, just get Debbie Flores on Special.
tranquil trellis
Thank you for giving me the information about dead flourish
lofty oracle
man i suck at the dash-attack based stygius aspects, my weakest weapon by far
can't get a good feel for it, takes me way longer than most weapons to clear rooms and i take a lot more damage
queen arrow
I hear that and I feel you. Sword was my both my weakest weapon and my least fun to play for me for a long time (that honour now goes to Fists). Similarly dash-strike always seemed more like I was trying to point the direction to the nearest restroom rather than impale my foes. Sending you good vibes! It'll come to you! FWIW, for me, on the advice of a friend, I actually just stopped playing it for a while and just focused on the weapons I was really enjoying and when I had gotten the bitter taste out of my mouth I went back to it and it felt much much better because I wasn't tilting myself before the first room.
lofty oracle
Yeah I'm sure it'll come to me at some point, but like you said, it's just not fun at the moment
cast builds with poseidon are fine but every other aspect I'm awful with, although I'm learning to slowly appreciate the hidden aspect
I think I'm close to 16 heat with most weapons except spear (working on that next), but sword is still stuck at 3 heat because I'm too stubborn to play cast builds with poseidon, I'd rather just learn the other aspects
turbid needle
sword is like weak+hard to play cant blame you
lofty oracle
I thought Nemesis is quite good at least, but definitely harder to play than other aspects
turbid needle
dash strikes do the trick
oh you already said that
it also took me forever to get any W with base sword, hidden aspect is great though
lofty oracle
hidden aspect is fun at least and I feel like I do slightly better but it's so different in terms of pace etc. so I'm still doing worse than other weapons
fists with zeus or athena attack i barely have to think lol
turbid needle
yeeeah, at least it got the range and a massive health buffer
lofty oracle
true
to some degree sword feels like hades at its core, so i am looking forward to getting better with it
valid prism
Fists and Sword can be tough to use. The faster combo for sword to deal damages is special + double dashstrike but by doing that, you tend to deal a lot of dmg by greediness and you forget to use the dodge and take a lot of damages
turbid needle
idk sword rly is the worst weapon imo
bad dmg, bad hammers, forced to stay in melee
fists at least get braindead dmg fast
boreal prism
i dunno if the sword hammers are bad but they sure are gimmicky
turbid needle
but thats just my opinion 
boreal prism
hoarding slash... i guess i get to ignore every shop now
valid prism
I'm not even thinking about hammers
If I look at Nemesis for an example the combo is great, it's fast, and the damages are pretty. But because it's fast to execute I use it too much, I'm supposed to have the same logic as Rama or Chiron meaning that I'm supposed to take my time and find when I can place the full combo and how many times I should do it before running to avoid damages
turbid needle
that makes sense
I still felt like nemesis dmg was garbage compared to other weapons but maybe I wasnt playing it well enough 🤷♀️
valid prism
Nem or zag sword are probably my next goal with 32 heat lvl 1 weapon no summon
The sword combo is great to apply PS so that should work
turbid needle
sounds doable, good luck!
valid prism
chiron was awful yesterday
valid prism
Ares/Dio on special at this point, having this lack of arrows doesn't make any %dmg boon good, unless you find relentless Hammer to get a... Normal Chiron
scarlet yoke
getting delta chamber from an anvil with Zag Rail 
leaden nimbus
Cosmic Egg on start seems like one of the best keepsakes
scarlet yoke
What can you spend surplus Keys on?
warm aspen
Who has the best attack boon for the Exagryph and why is it Artemis?
scarlet yoke
Dionysus or Demeter work pretty well too IMO
cunning urchin
Well enough. Lightning Strike is optimal, however, unless you have Spread Fire.
warm aspen
Alright
lucid oar
Who has the best attack boon for the Exagryph and why is it Artemis?
Artemis is only the best when using hestia or spread fire with zag rail.
weary ridge
Black out vs scintillating feast cant pick lol xD
mossy finch
bow clear complete
btw why cant I give cerb his ambrosia
ive still got space on the affinity gauge
wraith token
Cosmic Egg on start seems like one of the best keepsakes
eh not really, the health downgrades won't affect you that much and rarity doesn't make much odds
mossy finch
and I still have ambrosia
wraith token
i wouldn't pick it up unless you're going for insane gems and darkness
mossy finch
well its a new player
id assume
if you dont have enough keepsakes and game knowledge to manipulate your build to be something cool, then chaos egg can be great
cunning urchin
@mossy finch the heart doesn't have a lock in the codex?
mossy finch
also is super soaker just a meme or is it decent
no it doesnt
i think it was just because he was talking to dusa
cunning urchin
Yeah, that would be why.
Should be able to next time.
Super soaker is a decent meme.
Your damage is gonna be poor until you get Sea Storm, but then, it's actually really good.
cunning urchin
That's the strategy, yes.
mossy finch
any duos/legendarys to go for other than sea storm?
cunning urchin
I guess Splitting Bolt, Smoldering Air, things like that.
leaden nimbus
Who has the best attack boon for the Exagryph and why is it Artemis?
poseidon if you end up with sea storm
oh i didn’t read the conversation
haha
turbid needle
Hi everyone, I am a new Hades player. I have already escaped 30 times and 2 attempts were successful. Do you have any best builds for Zagreus so I can get to 10 escapes and find Persephone? Thanks in advance for your help
I play best with spear and sword and look for the best combinations of gifts
leaden nimbus
as someone who was in your position yesterday, just fish for duo boons based on the gods you’ve been given
turbid needle
which one is the best duo?
depends really
youre asking too broadly
merciful end is always good
smoldering air is also always good
ok i remember that
heart rend is always good on artemis cores ect
what duo you want highly depends on what youre building in the first place
if i get artemis on first i must looking for duo with her gift?
?
her gift? you mean the keepsake?
exactly
idk what you mean exactly
but how you shoot for duos goes like force god 1 with the first keepsake, force god 2 with second keepsake
i mean when i choose first skill from any god i must looking for his duo with second skill
I dont understand
like i get artemis and dionis i must look for this duo
no one forces you to do that?
okay i understand
but i have another question I am now playing with the gift of cerberus which adds 50hp to the initial one. Is it a good gift to start with?
strange lark
but i have another question I am now playing with the gift of cerberus which add...
It's fine
I think you should go tooth or acorn
proven osprey
It can be a good help. But you'd rather pick up hearts and have a god keepsake for the first two biomes. Having a strong build makes you win, not stacking hps
turbid needle
its usually god/god/tooth or acorn/acorn
proven osprey
Also once you equip it you can't remove it without losing the hp bonus so it's kinda sad
turbid needle
okay i got it
thanks for help i will keep playing and unlocked the family ending
good luck!
turbid needle
theseus can be tough depending on how much heat youve got
unless i feel like im guaranteed to win the run, ill take acorn/tooth for theseus
thorn arch
I do god/god/god/acorn usually
I do almost the same thing! I just switch acorn with lucky tooth, as I feel it helps more.
boreal prism
Acorn is better than tooth for fighting hades unless you have really high damage resistance
Tooth can only give you 100 health, while acorn can give you like 200 health
mossy finch
if you get hit by the high dammage attacks its more than 200
can be up to 400 if you throw in boiling blood
opal lodge
what
i dont think theres anything in the hades fight that hits for more than 100 base
urban vapor
well 400 is a stretch but i think the point still stands
boiling blood --> hit for 80 x4
320 theoretical hp saved
cunning urchin
120 is the most damage he can do in a single hit with Boiling Blood and HL5. 150 in HL5 EM4.
opal lodge
acorn is good but thats also not how that works
if youre getting hit by max you also got hit by a skull for bb
jovial fulcrum
aphro dash works too
if you wanna high roll, Double Edge w/ Aphro attacks is nuts. Let's you have hunter's dash. You'll need to take, like, deadly flourish for heart rend though.
mortal ocean
feel that using bow is the easiest tho
Bow + twin arrows + rapid fire + critical hit chance
easyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
warm aspen
Which god should I go for with the aspect of Arthur?
errant narwhal
I like artemis on attack
iron knot
If you get Athena on attack, you can stand in your hallowed ground and play baseball with your sword lol
Not sure if it's "good" but it's fun :joy:
turbid needle
is it even possible to get rocket, cluster and triple bomb all in one build? its been something ive been meaning to try but ive never gotten it
honest wing
you cannot get cluster and triple at once
twin edge
best aspects for each weapon ?
turbid needle
subjective
near heath
A friend of mine told me he likes using Zag Sword with Flurry Slash
I wonder how well that is
turbid needle
it kills your dash strike combo
near heath
subjective
The question is waht you enjoy more honestly
turbid needle
so its pretty bad to be honest
near heath
The guy doesn't do dash strikes soooooo
turbid needle
well then its good for him yeah
near heath
Also how does it kill Dash Strike?
turbid needle
it basicially automaticially tries to start the furry slash animation
whenever you dash strike
turbid needle
its pretty bad yeah
near heath
So I have been trying out Zag Rail, I still want to try that Spread Fire combo I heard Duunk0 mentioned
I never got to touch that
turbid needle
spread fire+artemis? never tried it either
near heath
It's mentioned that Spread Fire on Zag Rail is good because 18 rounds of shotgun blasts is good
So I'm interested to try it out
So far though it never happened for me
strange lark
Yeah spead fire zag rail is really good with artemis or aphro attack
near heath
Artemis or Aphro you say
strange lark
Ye
I like artemis
But anything with a high base damage works well with Arty or aphro
strange lark
yeah
near heath
I wonder what else I should have for additional damage
Probably Athena dash
Maybe Hunting Blades IDEK
near heath
I mean Athena Dash for defense
strange lark
if you want you can do aphro special and hunters dash for more damage
and you dont really need a cast
near heath
I might consider Hunting Blades if Ares shows up, but IDK what other options.
strange lark
no
near heath
True I just like to ptrss lots of buttons
strange lark
take any cast that lodges into the enemy
strange lark
the best call is zeus call
since you are going to be up close to the enemies
and it sets you up for smoldering air
near heath
Ah yes and hopefully Billowing Strength
strange lark
yes
strange lark
zeus -> aphro -> athena -> dio -> artemis -> poseidon -> demeter -> ares
best to worst
all of the calls are great
near heath
What makes Aphro good? O.o
strange lark
but ares is a lot worse
strange lark
What makes Aphro good? O.o
a bunch of damage at max and it can stun bosses
lucid oar
Dio is better than aphro by far
strange lark
i also forgot about hades call
near heath
Oh yeah I forgot about dad
strange lark
ill put him right above artemis
lucid oar
Hades call is dependent on the weapon
Its worse on fast hitting weapons, but it's great on weapons that scale with poms, not chaos.
strange lark
Also what makes Demeter call good?
great aoe damage
strange lark
What about Greater Hades?
greater hades call is great
mossy finch
ok so little bit of a weird question but for aspect of the hera whats the best cast upgrade?
is it aphrodite?
opal lodge
ye
not a weird question
aphro cast is amazing on hera
athena cast can also do big damage
but it relies on a very specific interaction where parting shot is always active
lucid oar
Trippy flare, mirage shot, extra casts
strange lark
charged shot
lucid oar
Charged shot is good as well, but not necessary
Use stygian soul if you use trippy flare, infernal soul for every other flare
mossy finch
but to be honest you shouldnt use anything but trippy flare on beowulf because its busted
mossy finch
athena cast can also do big damage
what is the scenario where athena is really good?
opal lodge
infernal passion flare and flood flare also good
athena cast ALWAYS backstabs from the front
particularly annoying against shield boys in asphodel
mossy finch
wait what?
mossy finch
it always backstabs?
opal lodge
yes
strange lark
yeah
mossy finch
wack
mossy finch
whats parting shot?
opal lodge
with shadow
strange lark
aphro athena duo
opal lodge
athena / aphro duo boon
mossy finch
oh
i thought that didnt mean your cast could backstab, I just thought that meant that your cast gained the backstab bonus
opal lodge
parting shot is the only thing that gives your casts backstab bonuses
otherwise they cant backstab
mossy finch
yeah I thought that was just a straight damage upgrade, I misunderstood
i probably wont do that tho because its so reliant on a duo boon
how much better is the dammage?
mossy finch
wait a minute
strange lark
opal lodge
beautiful
strange lark
yes
lucid oar
Phalanx shot is a bit funky on hera
strange lark
the base damage of crush shot is higher than phalanx shot
lucid oar
Not at high rarities
mossy finch
only barely tho
opal lodge
crush also doesnt get lost in asphodel
crush stops where the arrow does
phalanx does not
mossy finch
wdym get lost in asphodel
opal lodge
phalanx will continue forever
lucid oar
In the lava
strange lark
it doesnt fly everywhere
opal lodge
until it hits a wall
mossy finch
whats mirage again?
opal lodge
so youre going to end up with a common cast more often than not
strange lark
duo between artemis and poseidon
opal lodge
each cast has a secondary cast that does 30%
mossy finch
how is it good?
opal lodge
wat
mossy finch
wdym multiplicative?
strange lark
you shoot 2 casts but the second one does 30% damage
opal lodge
all your cast bonuses are also applied to that cast
mossy finch
ok...
opal lodge
so any chaos, well items, poms, etc
lucid oar
It's ×1.3 damage instead of just a 30% additive increase
mossy finch
so its just a 30% damage boost at best?
mossy finch
no i get that it stacks
mossy finch
I UNDERSTAND THAT IT STACKS
mossy finch
idk
opal lodge
if you understand you understand
lucid oar
You already get additive damage from loads of things like family favourites, high confidence
opal lodge
^
mossy finch
1.3x damage doesnt seem all that great to me
lucid oar
So adding more doesn't do much
lucid oar
I mean it is 2× damage on beowulf
mossy finch
I mean it is 2× damage on beowulf
wat?
opal lodge
any % damage on your cast is good
mossy finch
well yeah
opal lodge
how do you normally increase damage, let me ask you
mossy finch
but id have to get posidon and stuff
lucid oar
It's worth it
mossy finch
ok
opal lodge
what do you build?
lucid oar
Tidal dash is great, deadly strike is great
mossy finch
what do you build?
nothing that runs posidon, athena, and artemis
opal lodge
LOL
strange lark
its not that hard to get duo boons
lucid oar
Probably some of the 2 best duos in the game
mossy finch
?
strange lark
you said that your builds dont have athena in them
mossy finch
I said that my builds dont run them all at the same time
strange lark
oh ok
lucid oar
They are very effective together
opal lodge
poseidon dash is the highest damage dash in the game
its good on a ton of things
artemis is the only source of multiplicative damage
good on a ton of things
lucid oar
artemis is the only source of multiplicative damage
Swift strike
opal lodge
mossy finch
ares/artemis/athena is like my favorite build
i can run merciful end sometimes
i can run blade rifts sometimes
i can run crit builds sometimes
sometimes i get really unlucky and die to vermin but we dont talk about that run...
lucid oar
Have you tried hangover
mossy finch
ive tried it
but every time i just end up running clouds instead so I dont really know how good it is
lucid oar
Clouds?
strange lark
festive fog?
mossy finch
ye
lucid oar
Ahh
strange lark
bruh just get blackout
lucid oar
The best way to play hangover is to get as many poms as you can, and then the duos
So low tolerance and curse of nausea
strange lark
lucid oar
Global damage is really good as well here, because hangover isn't a % increase
So hyper sprint + rush delivery
strange lark
hyper delivery makes me go yes
mossy finch
so im gonna do a bow run with phalanx and im thinking about zues artemis aphrodite athena
zues seems like his duos would be useful with all of those
jovial fulcrum
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/845733584542760964/Scr...
ebik
i love getting LT/CoN Chiron
its kind of tricky to get though
lucid oar
zues seems like his duos would be useful with all of those
Smoldering air is very good especially with Zeus' aid
And lightning phalanx
patent raven
I finally got to play with Cluster Rockets for the first time today. It was niiiiiiiiiiice.
lunar flare
Hunter's Mark is broken against the Champions
strange lark
Yes
patent raven
What special did you have
Artemis.
strange lark
Nice
opaque hare
what's a good special for aegis chaos
strange lark
what's a good special for aegis chaos
Dio or ares
mossy finch
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1032997395 is this a good way to run bow?
i struggled in the middle more than usual even though I destroyed hades
strange lark
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1032997395 is this a good way to run bow?
You should stop using your special, load all of your casts when you are fighting armored enemies, and use your dash strikes instead of your normal attacks
strange lark
It's faster than normal attacks
mossy finch
yeah but you cant fully charge it can you?
strange lark
You can
boreal prism
More damage per second overall
mossy finch
oh the shoot part is just faster?
strange lark
It charges faster
strange lark
Yeah
mossy finch
wdym?
im trying it out now
and like
im confused what you mean
do you mean charge it up and then dash when I fire?
because that does the same damage
boreal prism
Dash and start charging before your dash ends
You'll notice it charges faster
Although the effect is a lot more obvious if you have an effect that slows charging
mossy finch
ah i see
wait so if i have a slow charge does that mean that the slow is reduced or completely ignored?
boreal prism
Probably just reduced
mossy finch
do they cancel out or is the reduction ignored?
ripe forge
Any fast attacking weapon + a bunch of lighting boons, specifically lightning on attack, extra lightning damage (legendary) jolted and jolted doesnt go away on attack = massive dps
strange lark
do they cancel out or is the reduction ignored?
It's reduced
mossy finch
Any fast attacking weapon + a bunch of lighting boons, specifically lightning on...
the better way to do this build is to put the posidon attack on the weapon and then put sea storm on it and then it knocks things away as well
elder gale
First Room Daedalus with Lucifer: Concentrated Beam, Eternal Chamber, or Piercing Fire?
turbid needle
Piercing Fire is better, Concentrated Beam makes for neat Attack runs if you can also get Swift Strike.
turbid needle
I only know Eternal Chamber should be avoided
wait eternal chamber is bad? i always get it lol
near heath
I feel like the main point of Lucifer is that constantly increasing damage
EC is only good if you get interrupted a lot
jovial fulcrum
how likely is getting offered a call on floor, like, 3?
Heartbreak Strike Chiron
Hammer and Zeus on offer, not sure which to go for.
near heath
If you are using Chiron
Hmm
I'd say Zeus is good for the call but if you can get Concentrated or Relentless Volley
It's a tossup I'd say I don't use Chiron
jovial fulcrum
went for zeus, no call 
near heath
Ooooohhhh noooo
jovial fulcrum
32 heat bow really stress out my wrist, yeesh
near heath
You're running 32 heat?
jovial fulcrum
3 sac 
about 300 total health counting SDs and 2:30 to kill dad
dammit
Had him at a fifth or so in phase two.
Technically i died to timer, but I think I would have had time if I'd actually been behind cover during the one laser attack
jovial fulcrum
I haven't even reached 15 heat
You'll get there if you want to, don't worry
near heath
I'm moving slowly
jovial fulcrum
Dem attack is % yeah
elder gale
I kept...giving up to try and get it right, and it just...blugh
I'll go in with Dem keepsake later to try and get the sort of "10-chill burst" build I was thinking of.
near heath
If you want to do that her revenge is one of those you want to go for
jovial fulcrum
Rail or Fist are prolly what you want for that build i think
elder gale
Yeah, Rail. i was doing Lucifer
near heath
Are you going for her legendary?
BTW what do you guys recommend building for Achilles?
jovial fulcrum
Cast achilles can be fun
prime berry
BTW what do you guys recommend building for Achilles?
Any duration based cast is really good like Ares and Demeter. Dionysus with duos with Demeter and Zues too
near heath
What about the attack side?
prime berry
What about the attack side?
Anything, but if you go casts you also prefer Poseidon and Artemis Duo: Mirage Shot and Artemis Legendary fully loaded
prime berry
ALso switch mirror to cooldown cast for Hermes Legendary 50% cast damage if not loaded with blood
attacks dont matter, you can push a slight hybrid but hammers dont do much for cast on spear
jovial fulcrum
Artemis attack is especially good.
It unlocks Mirage and Loaded like Auro said.
and also Crystal Clarity or Hunting Blades if those apply to your run
near heath
In #h1-victory-boasting I posted my recent run
Do you guys think it's one of the ideal runs?
prime berry
Do you guys think it's one of the ideal runs?
Did you get fully loaded?
And use the cooldown mirror cast and get +casts? Also there seems to be space for another god boon for damage support
near heath
Unfortunately no
I focused really heavily on Poseidon, Artemis and Ares
I also took infernal soul not realizing Stygian might be better
Wouldn’t cast builds do better with infernal soul anyway?
cunning urchin
BTW what do you guys recommend building for Achilles?
Tidal Dash first, Lightning Strike or Deadly Strike second, ideally with Flurry Jab. If you want to do a Cast build, pretty sure Electric Shot with Infernal Soul is still the fastest.
Deadly Strike over Lightning Strike if you get the choice.
You'll want to get rare or higher Static Discharge asap if you're going for Electric Shot.
jovial fulcrum
Vicous Cycle Hunting Blades
Who cares if they got fully loaded
cunning urchin
If you're not looking for optimization, just look at your Codex for any fun Cast Duo Boon and try out different builds.
Lodging Casts are usually better with Infernal Soul and non-lodging Casts with Stygian Soul.
Check every Well and every Chaos Gate for +1 ammo or Cast damage if you're doing a Cast build.
Mirage Shot (ideally with Tidal Dash and Deadly Strike), Snow Burst, and Ravenous Will are great on any Cast build.
jovial fulcrum
if there's a cast stone or an atlas bead in the between biomes well, it might be worth picking up hourglass
cunning urchin
Indeed.
near heath
I still have two duos I have yet to pick up for the prophecy
cunning urchin
All of the Cast builds can be fun and effective in some way.
Some are slow starters.
jovial fulcrum
Cold Fusion took me forever and a half
near heath
One is called Ice Wine and the other is something involving Demeter
jovial fulcrum
Ice Wine is pgood
cunning urchin
Ice Wine is Trippy Shot + any core boon from Lady Demeter.
You'd want Stygian Soul for that.
near heath
Isn’t festive fog kinda niche?
jovial fulcrum
the other one could be Cold Fusion.
Cold Fusion is pretty hard to get accidentally
lucid oar
Use beowulf
jovial fulcrum
Festive Fog is good on Hera and Beo
lucid oar
For festive fog
near heath
Is it the Zeus one?
cunning urchin
Trippy Shot has the highest base damage out of any Cast.
jovial fulcrum
Cold fusion is Zeus/Demeter yeah
cunning urchin
You'd want to put a lot of poms on it, but that goes for most Cast builds in genereal.
near heath
Yeah I got that one
jovial fulcrum
o
lucid oar
Not really