h1-builds-and-combat

[simple phoenix]

haha yeah

[dusky locust]

I kinda like using status on it, but ares is easy to apply too.

Man, the ignis is so much fun.

lol executed Hades

[midnight sky]

Guys, anyone have a good video for demonstrating a hades spear build with serrated point? I took it as the recommended hammer in a guide but it practically killed my run

I think my movements are not the best with dash striking all the time

And I couldn't dodge hades at all with it

[boreal prism]

dash range reduction is killer...

i wouldnt know what to tell you besides "get more dashes" and "stay farther away from enemies"

[limber whale]

maybe a Poseidon-focused build to create distance?

[midnight sky]

I just guess I'm failing to understand why it's so recommended. To quote from the guide by pengy, deadly strike with serrated point, so no poseidon with that build

[cunning urchin]

You can take a look for Hades Aspect runs on the high heat leaderboard pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies. A lot of them have Serrated Point.

[midnight sky]

Thanks! I'm looking at one from tailesque right now, and he does use his dash strike in a different manner than I did

It seems he's not pressing dash and attack at the same time, but dashing to one place and then quickly attacking on another direction, which lets him keep distance

[boreal prism]

What were you doing?

[midnight sky]

I pressed dash and attack at the same time, so I'm always attacking in the direction I'm dashing

Pretty much forcing me to be on top of the enemy

And trying to force all two dashes to be a dash attack

[boreal prism]

oh i see, yeah

dash attacks are a lot more versatile than that

[turbid needle]

https://tenor.com/view/tatan-baby-tatan-chubby-cute-ok-gif-14597548

[near heath]

Hey guys. How are you all?

[cobalt tulip]

I'm good

[near heath]

I’ve come to ask for suggestions on builds for weapons I am less familiar to use

[cunning urchin]

Which aspects specifically?

[near heath]

Thinking about learning Rama and Hera. Lucifer and maybe Zag Rail. Poseidon and Arthur. Literally every shield to find my comfort aspect

[cunning urchin]

For Hera, start Crush Shot, then look for all the poms you can get on your Cast, +1 ammo or Cast damage from Master Chaos, Tidal Dash, Deadly Strike (or Flourish if you can't get Strike), Mirage Shot, and with less priority than those Sweet Nectar, Heart Rend, Snow Burst, Ravenous Will, Smoldering Air, and Parting Shot.

Zag Shield practice will help you improve with all the other aspects besides maybe Beowulf. Start Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike, and just get used to all the different Attack and Bull Rush hammers. Charged Shot > Pulverizing Blow > Dashing Wallop > anything Attack or Bull Rush > Special hammers.

But any good % damage works on Attack.

Rama just get any high % Attack again. On Special, you want Doom, Hangover, or Lightning. Just tag everything once with your Special, then use your Attack. Try to practice Dash-Strike Power Shots. You can hold down Special for quickly getting rid of trash mobs.

Zag Rail and Lucifer builds are essentially similar to Eris.

https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

For Zag Rail, if you see Spread Fire early, you can get a high % Attack on it and do some work with that, but if you already have Lightning Strike, skip on it.

[near heath]

Well my comfort weapons are Nemesis Sword, Achilles Spear, Demeter Fists and Eris Rail

[cunning urchin]

If you're comfortable with Eris, Zag Rail and Lucifer shouldn't be too different with some practice.

[near heath]

Wait but if I use Rama Lightning does not chain with the special. Why do you think that is good?

[cunning urchin]

Not sure I understand the question.

[near heath]

Why would you say Lightning is good for Rama’s special? I don’t see the draw of his Lighting Special. Isn’t the chain Attack better which of course doesn’t work on Rama?

[cunning urchin]

Thunder Flourish is Lightning Bolts, not Chain Lightning.

Chain Lightning is only his Attack and Cast.

[near heath]

I can see what you mean by Hangover and Doom especially if you use his stacking boon

Yeah so why Thunder Flourish? What makes it good for Rama?

[cunning urchin]

Rama's Special does only 15 base damage, so % damage is terrible on it. Thunder Flourish does 30/38/45/60 flat damage depending on rarity. That's effectively +200%/250%/300%/400% damage, and it can spread Jolted once you get Static Discharge.

Also great pom scaling.

[near heath]

[cunning urchin]

AOE is good, too.

You could win 50 Heat with Thunder Flourish just using your Special and ignoring your Attack. It's that good.

[near heath]

So what you are saying is that Thunder Flourish turns that low attack into 30 damage each strike?

Interesting.

So Hangover and Doom, but Thunder Flourish will be ridiculous

[cunning urchin]

It adds 30 damage at common. So it's 15 + 30 = 45 damage.

They're all really good.

[near heath]

Attack seems like Heartbreak or Critical Strike sounds like the way to go

[cunning urchin]

Indeed.

[near heath]

So I think I have something to strive for.

I should try recording this run

[proven osprey]

Artemis start is good, you can either pick up deadly strike or hunter dash

[near heath]

What do you recommend for hammers? (Not familiar with bow names BTW) The only one in my mind is that +4 arrows per special.

[near heath]

What’s Deadly Strike?

[proven osprey]

oh no we're in the special rama arc

[near heath]

Oh that hammer is incompatible?

[proven osprey]

no it's not

Deadly strike is artemis attack

[valid prism]

oh no we're in the special rama arc
@proven osprey 👀

[proven osprey]

In general rama's special is used to support the attack via shared suffering

you can play special only but it's a bit cursed tbh

[near heath]

Ooh you’re talking about a different message

[proven osprey]

it will work but you'll ignore the strenghts of the aspect

[near heath]

So if I get this right

The gameplay is to mark with special then dash shot?

[proven osprey]

yep, tag some enemies, dash strike powershot boom everything gone

[near heath]

Is that why you suggest Artemis Dash? Forgo Tidal or Divine?

[cunning urchin]

Tidal Dash and Divine Dash are great, too.

[proven osprey]

hunter dash is an insane multiplier for Rama since you'll only dash strike

[cunning urchin]

It's also not exactly necessary. But you don't really discriminate, they're all good.

[proven osprey]

It's not necessary but it's the best dash anyway

[cunning urchin]

Passion Dash is great, too, for enabling Heart Rend.

[near heath]

And typically Dash Strike is weaker than regular shot but Hunter’s Dash drags up the power?

[cunning urchin]

I don't know if I agree with "best". It's great, though.

[near heath]

What’s Heart Rend again?

[cunning urchin]

Your crits do 4.5x damage instead of 3x if the target is Weak.

[near heath]

Oh flips

[proven osprey]

Yeah kind of. Dash strikes are indeed weaker in terms of base damage. But on bow, you'll get a quicker charge for your power shot so you really want to use it

[cunning urchin]

Nice save.

Rama kills most things in one or two shots, anyway, so it doesn't actually matter.

[near heath]

I didn’t know there’s a censor on the server

And I’m a sailor mouth. This is going to be fun

[near heath]

Wait. So if I get Pressure Points...

[cunning urchin]

Pressure Points does less than you'd think, but it's nice to have.

[near heath]

Really now?

[cunning urchin]

The crit chance is very low. It's better if you have Hunter's Mark.

Twin/Triple > Point-Blank > Perfect > Explosive/Chain for me for hammers.

Relentless Volley is great with Drunken Flourish but doesn't matter without.

[near heath]

Wouldn’t it be better with Thunder Flourish?

How much does a 10 stack Hangover do?

[cunning urchin]

You'd still only proc one Lightning Bolt per Special per target unless m mistaken, so Relentless Volley wouldn't do very much. But if you want to do a Special-only build with Thunder Flourish, it's an obvious pick.

Repulse Shot is nice to have and can be good for practicing Power Shots because spacing and timing become a bit more forgiving with the knockback.

[near heath]

Only one per target? Man I thought it’d be one per shot

[strange lark]

lightning has a cooldown

[cunning urchin]

Well, one per target is better than just one per shot.

200 ms cooldown per enemy. Meaning you can't hit the same enemy with Thunder Flourish more than once in that time.

[near heath]

No no I mean one per arrow

[valid prism]

Hangover is 5 stacks maximum on a target

[strange lark]

8 with low tolerance

[valid prism]

Effect is applying every 0.5 sec and one stack has a 4 sec duration

So one effect is damage of Hangover x 8 in 4 sec

[strange lark]

are you talking about bow special

or rama special

im pretty sure with bow special lightning can trigger a couple times

but with rama special it can only trigger once

[near heath]

Rama Special

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, fortunately not because that'd be way broken lol. But one arrow does 5 base damage, you shoot 3 arrows. So it's 15 base damage, and Thunder Flourish adds 30 at common Lv.1. It's very good.

[cunning urchin]

Twice when shotgunning.

[near heath]

So if I get it on rare or epic that’s 38 or 45 damage plus 15

If it spreads does it do an additional strike on other targets?

And say I take second bolt I have a chance for it to do double damage?

[strange lark]

yeah

[cunning urchin]

Yes and yes.

[near heath]

That’s kinda nutty

Right. New goal. Record my Rama run

Also I’m not being fast about my runs because I don’t do speedruns and I’m aiming for completion of prophecies and story

But also generally learning weapon aspects

Ironically my fastest run at less than 19 minutes is Gilgamesh

[proven osprey]

[cunning urchin]

...

[proven osprey]

Holy

This is cursed

[cunning urchin]

It's cute.

[proven osprey]

Yeah I like it

But there's something hidden

[cunning urchin]

Gilgamesh with Heartbreak Strike. Good build.

[strange lark]

what

[cunning urchin]

'Tis Gilgamesh with Heartbreak Strike.

[strange lark]

awesome

i know what my next build is

[near heath]

No I was building for Merciful End specifically

After I got that I breezed the game

I know everyone said Gilgamesh is one of If not the worst weapon in the game

0 heat too.

So I really just wanted to try Mercifully End for the sake of it

[proven osprey]

Gil nyaa mesh

[lime jolt]

Awww

Its so cute

[proven osprey]

[near heath]

Meowgamesh

[lime jolt]

Nyangamesh

[cloud vault]

Oh no

What have you done

The beast is unleashed

[cunning urchin]

https://imgur.com/a/u0gVtl2

[strange lark]

funni will smith meme

[valid prism]

Will smith?

[strange lark]

...yeah

[near heath]

Uh

That’s Drake

[strange lark]

yes i know that

[cunning urchin]

Don't explain the joke.

[near heath]

Rip

BTW how do I pronounce your name?

[strange lark]

袁志宏

[near heath]

My mandarin is awful.

[strange lark]

my mandarin isnt good

[near heath]

Gimme your pinyin

[strange lark]

my family speaks Cantonese

yuan zhi hong

[near heath]

My family speaks Hokkien

[near heath]

But I suck at literally every language except English.

So today I practice with Rama. After this I will do my hardest on a shield. I don’t know who is best to upgrade except Zag but I like the idea of the others

[cloud vault]

They're all good, but chaos is weaker than the rest.

[lime jolt]

I can't stand chaos hate

[near heath]

So Zeus is good, Chaos is kinda eh, Zag is also good, and Beowulf is the best but really hard to use. I think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6aYpu-7UK0&t=24s

[lime jolt]

zeus is the best but very hard to use

[near heath]

I was looking at this guy and this is where I get one of my ideas from

[lime jolt]

That video is in a speedrunning context

[near heath]

But he's a specifically on Speedrunning I know

So I had to join a Hades community and learn

[lime jolt]

imo it goes zeus>beo>chaos>zag

[near heath]

I still don't get why this guy hates Zeus

[lime jolt]

its stupidly hard to optimize

[near heath]

He's saying it's good but he hates it.

[cunning urchin]

Just personal preference, I guess.

[lime jolt]

there's like one person that can fully use it to it's potential

and what nyaanyaa said

[cunning urchin]

Some people don't like puppet classes and the like.

[lime jolt]

I have fun with it, but lots of people don't like its jankiness

is jankiness a word?

[cunning urchin]

It is.

[near heath]

It feels like a weird Blade Rift

BRB, trying out that Rama build

[valid prism]

The ranking is subjective but if you have trouble being fast with an aspect, you'll probably face the same issue against TD3 which has impact at high heat

[near heath]

Should I run Adamant Arrowhead or Thunder Signet first?

Arrowhead for Artemis Attack and Signet for Zeus Special

[cunning urchin]

Arrowhead for Deadly Strike or Hunter Dash.

Then pick up whichever you see first out of Doom, Hangover, or Lightning for your Special.

[lofty sandal]

Hunter Dash is just a buff to dash attack right? No other effect?

[near heath]

Oh okay

[cunning urchin]

Right.

[near heath]

So trust the olympians to give me one of the three.

[lofty sandal]

It's hard to tell when I'm dash attacking with arthur aspect sometimes

[near heath]

Yup

Hunter's Dash is a purely offensive dash

[cunning urchin]

Which for bow means practically all of your attacks because like 99% of your Attacks will be Dash-Strikes.

[lime jolt]

hunter dash and deadly strike synergize really well

[lofty sandal]

I had a crazy dash attack arthur build going. I had the hunter Dash the hammer that adds 20% and double hit and a chaos +50% damage thing going

And then I picked that hammer thing before hades and it dropped the dash attack strike and gave me the -60% health and the hoarding slash after I spent all my coin

lol

[cunning urchin]

lmao

Yeah, Anvil is more for when you want to replace bad hammers.

[lofty sandal]

I still completed the run so nbd but yeah good to know

[near heath]

Alright I think I might be getting the hang of Rama

[cunning urchin]

Nice!

[proven osprey]

this is perfection

[cunning urchin]

[lime jolt]

I still can't get over how cute it is

[boreal prism]

that's what running gilg is really about

[proven osprey]

[cunning urchin]

lol

[supple flicker]

is demeter atk / athena special a good combo for the talos aspect? and trying to spring for stubborn roots

[lime jolt]

It’s not terrible

[strange lark]

its fine

[supple flicker]

cool cool
i feel like i've gone off the deep end lately tabulating my builds on a spreadsheet while thinking of what to try lmao

[strange lark]

i dont think about my builds that much

most of my builds come to me in the middle of the night

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/835545407572017152/Screenshot_183.png

like this one

[boreal prism]

bhbhbhbhb

[strange lark]

bhbhbhbhbhbhb

[proven osprey]

hbhbhbhbhb

[boreal prism]

i never thought blinding flash could be a punchline

[versed spoke]

@lime jolt what does it do, the mirror talent you referred to?

[lime jolt]

more boons, health, poms, gold

[strange lark]

higher chance of getting those from chambers

[versed spoke]

ah, I think that's the one that gives 20% chance purples when you switch it back

[turbid needle]

no

[versed spoke]

my god i feel so stupid

[turbid needle]

its the one with the blue chancw

but close

[versed spoke]

ah, that's the one!

eureka

[turbid needle]

[limber whale]

Aspect of Demeter Build tips?

[cloud vault]

Artemis Crit is pretty rad

Can do deadly reversal or heart Rend

Or try for ME.

[turbid needle]

Can someone suggest me a demeter build... The best kne

[strange lark]

Zeus attack, artemis special, aphro dash, zeus call, smoldering air, heartrend

Wait

Do you mean builds for aspect of demeter or builds with demeter boons?

[opal lodge]

on the one hand god's legacy all but guarantees ME

on the other hand

curse of agony notably scales really hard with rarity

common curse of agony has half the base damage of epic

not only that, but its terribly hard getting epic hermes boons, and either epic dashes or epic hyper delivery are usually necessary for top end ME runs

[icy finch]

ME?

[opal lodge]

merciful end

[icy finch]

ahhh yeah

[opal lodge]

generally the meta build for fists, sword, and like

chaos/zag rail depending on who you ask

[icy finch]

so it's better to focus on god's pride in order to stack up more epic boons?

[opal lodge]

thats the idea

and then you cry if you dont get ME

usually runners will reset for a rare or better attack and athena somewhere in tartarus

[icy finch]

been trying a ton of runs without guides and got a 13:44, then 11:31 today as I showed after researching guides, so I'm still figuring this all out

mmm, I see

[opal lodge]

oh hm

i suppose its more appropriate in self promo

well theres a link to the discord there now if youre interested

[icy finch]

think I was just looking for some general advice here if anything, not going in hardcore or anything. My more main goal is 32 heat rn

thanks btw

[opal lodge]

for sure

32 heat is also quite fun

[icy finch]

terrifying from what I see on the list, lmao

on that note, the pact I was going for was +10 Extreme Measures, +3 Jury Summons, +2 Damage Control, +2 Middle Management(I got to 17 heat w this), then I was thinking of going Hard Labor, Benefits Package, Calisthenics Program and maybe some hightened security/lasting consequences to round it all off

would this be a good pact build or something really stupid

[opal lodge]

extreme measure 4 becomes insanely hard once you add more heat

tight deadline is an easy-ish 6 heat

calisthenics is a nonstarter usually

theres a good beginners 32 pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[icy finch]

It's been too tempting to do with the +4 tho, but yeah I can see it as a pretty daunting choice

[opal lodge]

its just not usually the 4 heat people choose

that being said

learning the fight early puts you leaps and bounds ahead of other high heat players if you want to push above 40-50

[icy finch]

not shooting for the moon quite yet, haha

but I see, that's an interesting guide, thanks again

[small fable]

Is a Merciful end build the best build for Demeter fists? I'm having a lot of fun with the weapon and wanna get some better runs in

[proven osprey]

It's the fastest build yeah

[small fable]

what are some other good builds? I'm not necessarily trying to speedrun atm

[vagrant maple]

zeus on attack is quite popular

there are a few ways you can go with that build

[lime jolt]

ME is probably the best way to speedrun

*speedrun fists

[limber whale]

I'm using Aspect of Demeter, with Zeus attack, Aphro special, and Artemis call
I got to a diverging path, one leads to an arena with Zeus and Artemis, the other to a Daedalus Hammer
which one should I choose?

[cunning urchin]

#h1-builds-and-combat message

[mild raft]

Do you have Jolted?

Wait I'm an hour late

w/e

[limber whale]

oh oops I'm already done

[sweet hornet]

had to dump deadly reversal because the other two choices were divine strike and divine dash, fml

got it back the next boon

[sullen valley]

Say, for Aspect of Hades, Flaring Spin, Serrated Edge, or Chain Skewer?

It is a half mistake to take Serrated.

[sweet hornet]

I've found the reduced dash range to really mess with my movements

but if you can deal with that it's the best of these choices

[sullen valley]

They have...and it's cost me a DD 😂

[turbid needle]

serrated is the best hammer on hades tbh

[sullen valley]

Ugh, it melts with Level 6 Epic Aphro Attack

But also, Zeus wasn't the best choice to annoy.

[turbid needle]

possibly...

[sullen valley]

But also, I didn't know you can get bodyblocked by bloodless?

[turbid needle]

wym bodyblocked

enemies do have collision if you mean that

[sullen valley]

Oof, I thought I always dashed past them.

[turbid needle]

you can dash through them but since your dash is shorter it prob messed you up

[sullen valley]

Wish I had that recorded because I certainly was not dashing towards the nearby table, and I heard the dash woosh with each 3 of my Dashes (Hermes). It looked WAY more than -25% dash distance.

Man, I wish only the dash attack had -25% distance...

[magic rivet]

It's probably that -25% is more than you think

[sullen valley]

Probably. But yeesh that's painful.

At least let me know that there's also hit-delay.

Or, not hit delay, just that your space between dashes is also lengthened.

[turbid needle]

I don't really understand what you mean by that

[sullen valley]

Dash Recovery!

The delay between dashing repeatedly is faster than dash attacking repeatedly with this hammer.

Esp painful knowing Dash-Attacks have no IV frames, as I've been told.

[turbid needle]

well yeah, you go through the attack animation everytime you dash strike

don't they have some on startup

just less than empty dash

[slim lynx]

if dash-striking still gave you i-frames imagine how much more powerful eris, fists and nemesis would be

[turbid needle]

🤔

[sullen valley]

[sullen valley]

"They"?

[turbid needle]

dash strikes

I don't know the frame data on hades tbh

[sullen valley]

Maybe? Probably one frame, though.

[turbid needle]

but dash strikes feel very very safe I'd be surprised if they had 0 i frames

[sullen valley]

Play with the Fists for a bit and you'll see that, if there are IV frames with Dash-Strikes, they're unnoticeable.

That 25% less dash distance is very painful.

[sweet hornet]

question about demeter aspect - I'm seeing 210 for regular special and 240 for dash special with 5x special hits on skelly, is that right?

[turbid needle]

I beat the game on 40 with every aspect

[sullen valley]

Huh.

[turbid needle]

it might have something to do with how early you tap attack?

[cunning urchin]

Dash-Strikes have no i-frames. But you can have i-frames if you late-cancel your dash.

[turbid needle]

thats what im doing I guess

[cunning urchin]

Probably.

[sullen valley]

Late-cancel?

Also, how do you get used to that -25% less distance, Toffel? Be more mindfully evasive?

[turbid needle]

you wait a bit until you tap attack when you dash

and you get i frames

[sullen valley]

Huh! Kewl

[turbid needle]

yeah be more mindful about your dashes for sure

serrated point also usually melts enemies so you dont need to evade a lot

[cunning urchin]

You cancel dash into dash-attack or dash-special. If you do that late, you late-cancel.

[sullen valley]

Just practiced on skelly; I assume Late-cancel is...the part where you can't dash out of the end of your dash attack animation?

[turbid needle]

keep in mind I def died on my first serrated point run, its different

[cunning urchin]

If you input dash+attack at the same time, you cancel your dash immediately and don't get any i-frames.

[turbid needle]

yeah okay I always input it with a delay

[sullen valley]

Hm. Fair

[dusky locust]

So what was the build with demeter's fist again? Aphrodite atk, Artemis special?

[cunning urchin]

Late cancel just means you don't input attack immediately but delayed.

[sullen valley]

Fun fact: The Flower still procs if you have a Boon that you cannot upgrade (i.e. Blood Frenzy)

[cunning urchin]

#h1-builds-and-combat message

[dusky locust]

Cool. Will try it out. Hopefully I don't immediately die at 32 heat.

[cunning urchin]

Good luck!

[sweet hornet]

that demeter guide is awesome

[cunning urchin]

Thank you! 💕

It really is.

[sweet hornet]

so never do regular special with demeter aspect because the x5 extra hits scales better with dash special

30x(2+5) vs 40x(1+5)

that's why I was seeing 210 vs 240

[cunning urchin]

Not never, but yes, essentially.

Regular Uppercut has better range than your Dash-Upper and Attack.

[sullen valley]

...I just realized, imagine if you could easily mod Hades and put the Transistor in, or the Trapper's Fang thing.

[dusky locust]

still getting used to pressing dash atk special

sometimes it won't register

[cunning urchin]

Probably just doing it too slow. It takes some practice.

[turbid needle]

or dont use it at all

[cunning urchin]

Took me a couple days to get it down. Your body needs a few days.

[dusky locust]

ah, forgot to change stubborn defiance to death defiance

Why zeus's aid?

[turbid needle]

dmg and smoldering air prob

[sullen valley]

More Artemis boons or lock in Ares?

Got Heroic Attack and Heroic Clean Kill for Artemis

how do you spell her name again???

[turbid needle]

what sur build

[dusky locust]

Zeus is probably my least fav. Ah wait, I think Aphro and Dio are lower for me.

[sullen valley]

Sword of Zagreus

Prob more crits 'cause of DPS huh?

[turbid needle]

go for ares if u want hunting blades otherwise meh

[sullen valley]

I also have everything covered by a boon except for call so

[turbid needle]

also zeus and dio legit are the higest base dmg calls wut

[cunning urchin]

Dionysus' Aid and Zeus' Aid do the best DPS, and Aphrodite's Aid does the best burst damage.

[sullen valley]

eh...probably Artemis

[dusky locust]

seriously?

[cunning urchin]

Also, Aphrodite's Aid + Smoldering Air with poms on your call is very broken.

Yes.

[dusky locust]

Maybe I just use the aid only during bosses

[turbid needle]

if youre waiting for full aid, no wonder they suck

[sullen valley]

I can understand Dio, but Zeus' seems underwhelming, though I also don't choose Zeus's call often.

[turbid needle]

you wanna go for the aid as soon as its ready

[sullen valley]

That...actually makes sense.

[dusky locust]

lightning on the spot is just underwhelming to me compared to being invuln

[cunning urchin]

All Calls give i-frames upon activation.

[dusky locust]

didn't know that

still, long invuln just let's me go wham

[sullen valley]

i
is Epic Maimed Strike worth it?

I so badly want to do it despite all signs pointing to no but I also want someone to say no to me.

You take Damage from ATK but your ATK% goes very up

[cunning urchin]

On what aspect?

[sullen valley]

Zag Sword

[cunning urchin]

I'd take it.

[sullen valley]

oh my god why did you say that now I have to

[cunning urchin]

Just play at 1 HP. No problem.

[sullen valley]

Forced Overtime 2

[cunning urchin]

I do that all the time in speedruns.

[sullen valley]

eck

Should I have mentioned it was also Lernie?

[cunning urchin]

Easy peasy. Just no-hit Lernie.

[proven osprey]

Maimed curses can be a problem at lernie yeah

lots of chip damage

[cunning urchin]

Not if you don't get hit.

[proven osprey]

if you don't get hit the game is not really a problem

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, that's been my experience.

[dusky locust]

get 100% dmg and -100% healing for free 6 heat

[sullen valley]

Snrk, "just don't get hit silly"

No but I defeated Asterius with only Special and Cast and I think that's really cool.

and Dash too but y'know

[dusky locust]

fuu

[cunning urchin]

Exactly. That's what I do.

[dusky locust]

rerolled and the legendary boon got cancelled by approval

[cunning urchin]

Except that's 9 Heat.

[dusky locust]

ah, no wonder I feel so free

[sullen valley]

You use Pos call as soon as you get it, too, right?

[turbid needle]

yeh

[proven osprey]

Usually yeah, but the greater call is ok too

[sullen valley]

I am dying A LOT more than I usually should right now.

You know what's funny about being broke and getting Kiss of Styx?

Not getting Patroclus or a Kiss when you had a DD missing twice.

I would also like to complain that the bull can bodyblock my dashes.

[turbid needle]

Speaking of the bull and ||Theseus|| i find it really helpful if you target bull first because ||theseus|| doesn’t do much damage himself

[cloud vault]

Not if you empty dash

[sullen valley]

That would make sense, actually.

[strange lark]

dash attacking takes away the iframes of the dash

[sullen valley]

The dude is basically a support unit, ye

Remember not to make them go to 50% HP at the same time, tho!

[strange lark]

he just stays back and throws his spear at you

[sullen valley]

Sometimes “Bullhorn”s, and summons gods.

[strange lark]

i find that phase a lot easier than his first phase

[sullen valley]

What, when he’s summoning gods?

[strange lark]

yeah

[sullen valley]

Neither of them change their attacks, effects are simply added

He spin slashes when you get close

When you’re far away, he throws his spear.

[strange lark]

when i am in elysium most of the time i have a good build so i can take him out as soon as he is summoning a god

[sullen valley]

Thas usually how it goes, ye

[chilly ibex]

Eris and rockets. Opinions?

[strange lark]

eris and rocket bomb is great

[chilly ibex]

Does seem to make getting the buff harder unless you basically smack enemies at face distance though

[strange lark]

no

its how i play eris most of the time anyway

[valid prism]

It might seem harder but the range of Eris makes you get close enough to the foes to get the buff from the rocket

And it's fast

Eris is a ranged weapon but because the 75% dmg buff affects everything on your build, you want to smack enemies to get full advantage of the atk, dash etc.

[cunning urchin]

My goal is always to phase them at the same time.

The faster you kill them, the less you have to deal with their nonsense.

[honest wing]

but like imagine having theseus doing his call thing and asterius doing the spin to win at the same time

that would be a nightmare

[cunning urchin]

You can get Asterius stuck at a pillar, or worst case you just evade both. I was talking about non-EM, anyway.

For EM, it depends on aspect.

[honest wing]

I see

[cunning urchin]

If you have high burst damage like with Rama, you just kill them both asap.

[swift delta]

Best sword build?

[turbid needle]

depends on sword

[swift delta]

😂 haven’t unlocked last aspect yet

Poseidon aspect

[turbid needle]

athena cast and go into lightning phalanx duo

aphrodite cast is also good

[proper glade]

Is there a way to check to see what Daedalus upgrades I have on during a run? I know I can check for boons but I don't see upgrades on there and I straight up forgot what I put on my spear.

[strange lark]

hit the button to see what boons you have

on pc its b

[proper glade]

Yeah but where are the upgrades for my weapon that's what I'm looking for. I might just be blind

Oh! Found it nevermind oop

[strange lark]

bruh

[proper glade]

I thought it was a boon

Sorry bout that

[near heath]

It's okay all a way to learn for everyone right? 😄

[proven osprey]

[strange lark]

nice

[cunning urchin]

Well done.

[fading wind]

So about Aspect of Hera and the two Cast talents in the mirror. Does playing with the recharge time talent totally invalidate the reduced dislodge time you get by Tyrant Blooding it?

With that and it being such a good sniper, it seems like a weapon that's nearly as good at level 1 as it is at max level unless I'm missing something.

Trying to make a Hera build hence the question.

[strange lark]

all casts drop out after 5 seconds with hera

but infernal soul is much better with hera

[fading wind]

Yeah I use Infernal Soul for the burst.

[cunning urchin]

Infernal Soul is best on Hera.

[fading wind]

And the reduced time doesn't matter much because if I fire 3 Shots my target is basically dead.

Sorry mistyped.

[cunning urchin]

With Crush Shot, that's the optimal build.

[fading wind]

I use Infernal everywhere, really.

[cunning urchin]

Drop time matters a lot for bosses.

That's basically it.

[fading wind]

Thanks. Sounds like even though I really like Hera, there are a bunch of other aspects that benefit more from the blood first.

Spamming Trippy Shot with Hera is just so fun.

[sweet hornet]

for demeter fist builds, greatest reflex > swift strike?

[strange lark]

the attack on fists is already pretty fast so i dont think you want swift strike with it, so greatest reflex is probably better

[sweet hornet]

makes sense, thanks

if you keep a god's keepsake in the next biome, will you get their boon next again?

[strange lark]

no

well yes

but the keepsake wont work

god keepsakes only work once

not including hermes

[sweet hornet]

so you get the increase rarity chance if you do get the boon again

[strange lark]

you get the increased rarity chance if you have a gods keepsake on but it only applies to that god

[sweet hornet]

trying to decide if I want to keep zeus boon for elysium, I don't even have his attack but I have the aid and jolted

it's either that, or pom, or purse

got zeus next - choices are electric shot, double strike, or smoldering air - I got smoldering, but I just want an attack -_-

finally

barely scraped by - I think the part that really screwed with me might have been tidal dash, and also not being familiar with the attack chains with demeter fists

[young minnow]

just finished the game

now what

[lucid oar]

What is your definition of finished?

[young minnow]

saw the credit and all that

[lucid oar]

Unlock Skelly's statues, sub 15 all weapons, sub 10 any heat, complete a run without boons/hammers/mirror

[strange lark]

Theres also an epilogue

[small fable]

currently at the end of a run, I'm running a ares attack + athena special build and finally found Merciful end but I also got offered divine protection, is divine protection worth sacrificing merciful end for?

[turbid needle]

No.

Merciful End is much stronger.

[small fable]

yeah I ended up choosing merciful end, run went well

[boreal prism]

Wait... do you have divine dash?

[small fable]

nah I didn't. I had dio dash

[boreal prism]

Oh I see.. the really strong ME combo relies on divine dash but I guess it's good without it

[small fable]

just wondering but what are the advantages and disadvantages between using deadly strike and lightning strike for an Achilles flurry jab build? I have tried both with success but just wondering why you would choose one over the other other than rng

[lime jolt]

Deadly strike scales with achilles raging rush and all other +% damage sources

Zeus scales with jolted and splitting

[opal lodge]

thats about it

deadly also scales with chaos

[lime jolt]

Basically every +% damage sources

Chaos is super important as bright said

[static karma]

So how exactly does Sigil of the Dead work?
the description is a bit confusing
so does it last for 2 seconds but if I attack it lasts 1.5 more seconds?
or if I attack after 1.5 seconds of invisibility does it do nothing

[turbid needle]

It will last for 2 seconds naturally.

If you attack, it will cancel the remainder of the cloak and give you boosted damage for 1.5 seconds.

Greater Call is just 5 seconds of uninterruptible stealth and damage boost.

[static karma]

Bouldy companion question: Can you be damaged from your own boulder?

Thanks for clearing that up, @turbid needle

[lime jolt]

You cannot be hurt by bouldy

Why would you even think that

[limber whale]

Bouldy is too much of the best thing ever made to hurt you

[static karma]

I got hit after the summon and I wasn’t sure if that was the enemy or bouldy

It was my first time ever using that companion since it was a casual run to hunt legendaries

[sweet hornet]

achilles aspect doesn't boost spin damage right?

I'm probably gonna hate myself for going serrated point but the other choices are qujick spin and vicious skewer

[magic rivet]

It does

[sweet hornet]

mmm maybe I'll try it with quick spin next time I get the same opportunity

oh yeah it does indeed

my run just now, until I got fully loaded and only had 2 cast ammos, my rotation was special > cast x2 > dash-strike x2, I could go spin instead of dash-strike with quick spin over serrated

for poseidon sword special is special > dash better or dash > special?

special > dash seems faster since the special animation starts sooner

[valid prism]

Special then dash strike is more natural and has a better rhythm

The feeling is very nemesis-like

Special/double dash strike is a common move on zag/nemesis/Poseidon sword

[sweet hornet]

for poseidon sword, seems like it'd help minimizing time spent in melee, and losing one dash-strike's worth of damage might be worth it?

[valid prism]

Worth it compared to what?

[sweet hornet]

getting more distance while casting

I guess I just feel like doing the full special animation entirely in melee makes me more vulnerable

[valid prism]

Poseidon is like having a magic sword

You use cast spells from whatever distance you want

[sweet hornet]

right, so I prefer casting from afar, but then I need to get close to dislodge

and I want to do it quickly and safely

[valid prism]

Then you want to follow your casts to get them back with special

[sweet hornet]

so the special to dislodge would benefit from a dash while it's animating

[valid prism]

?

[sweet hornet]

when I press special then immediately dash it feels a lot faster

than dash then special

[valid prism]

Oh okay

Dps speaking, you dash to get close then you do the special/double strike

Because after 3 casts, the combo special/double dashstrike is generally enough to finish them

[sweet hornet]

thanks, I'll try that

[valid prism]

Poseidon is a sword that allows you to keep your distance but you still need to commit to get back your casts

You can just dash in and use your special only to dislodge the casts but the opportunity can be used to attack foes while the casts are dislodging before dashing out

Hence the double dash strike after special

[sweet hornet]

the delay between special hits and casts can be picked up seems way longer than it takes for dash-strike x2

I guess I'm generally terrible with the sword dash-strike, feels like I can't aim it well and take a lot of damage doing it

[valid prism]

Yeah that's why between dislodging and getting back the casts we try to optimize the delay by dealing damages

[sweet hornet]

my instinct is still to dislodge, gtfo, wait and dash in and out to pick up the casts

[valid prism]

Double dash strike isn't always worth it to do, it's a decision to make only if you can do it without taking damages

You can afford to take damages but once you have HL or LC on your pact, the price is bigger if you do a bad dash strike

[sweet hornet]

aiming and dodging precisely while in melee is tough for me for sure

[cunning urchin]

@sweet hornet a strong Cast build on Poseidon Aspect only needs to dislodge against bosses, pretty much. Otherwise, you just kill things asap to get your Casts back.

Ideally by just killing everything with the Cast itself.

[sweet hornet]

those that don't die immediately just happen to also deal a lot damage

greater recall makes things a lot easier

[terse coral]

Poseidon's blast don't kill projectiles right?

[slim lynx]

yeah i don't think cast can destroy projectiles

[terse coral]

no I mean the water blast in general

[uncut lintel]

Adamant Rail run, tips for keepsakes and what boons I might want to be on the look out for?

[turbid needle]

zeus attack boon is nice

[uncut lintel]

🗒️ Noted

[turbid needle]

ive also done a special based runn with poseidon attack to knock them into the special range

[uncut lintel]

Hmm... that's pretty clever

[strange lark]

aspect of eris, zeus attack, artemis special, poseidon dash

[uncut lintel]

Thank you much, unfortunately I only have Aspect of Zag

[strange lark]

thats ok

you can still use zeus attack on zag aspect

get flurry shot

[uncut lintel]

Alright, I might be able to get a blood real quick. Un momento por favor

[strange lark]

or you can use spread fire with artemis special

oh wait

i just said special

i meant attack

[uncut lintel]

I now have Aspect of Eris. Question, is there any real reason to dash-attack with the Rail?

[turbid needle]

yeah dash attack odes 2 shots at once

[strange lark]

it fires faster

[turbid needle]

you get higher dps if you dash attack

[uncut lintel]

aaaahhh noted

[turbid needle]

but you gotta reload more frequently

also i should note, eris is only really game changing once you get it to like epic or heroic tbh

but its still nice at lower levels

[uncut lintel]

If I have the opportunity I try to get the hammer for no reloads is that viable?

[strange lark]

since dash attacking makes it fire faster, if you have enough dashes delta chamber acts like normal rail but you dont have to reload

[uncut lintel]

Delta chamber? I'm sorry I don't remember all the upgrades and boons

[strange lark]

no reload hammer

[uncut lintel]

Ah! duh

[cunning urchin]

This is a very in-depth guide for a very optimized rail build. https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

[uncut lintel]

Thank you!

[turbid needle]

my suggestion would be to roll with whatever you get, if you get some nice attack boons and maybe a dash as well then id say go for attack, otherwise theres some really good setups for special

doom is quite nice on special

since it hits infrequently

[uncut lintel]

I tend to opt for doom on my special so that works out

[turbid needle]

additionally, if you do go for an attack based build then getting weak on your special is fantastic

[strange lark]

for rail special you want a boon that has a %

[turbid needle]

oh yeah that makes sense

yeah listen to @strange lark more than me theyre better haha

[strange lark]

lmao

[uncut lintel]

😆 👍

[sweet hornet]

would zeus shield with ares special and athena atk/dash make a good ME combo?

[strange lark]

yeah

also you dont need athena dash for that build

[sweet hornet]

ooo

what would be a good dash to go with that? worried poseidon would knock stuff away from the shield

[strange lark]

you dont really need a dash for that

the only dash i can think of is athena dash

but the build is fine without it

[sweet hornet]

artemis dash to add to dash-strike dmg, or maybe aphro dash for dmg/weak/curse of longing

[strange lark]

you dont need dash strike damage for that build since the damage is coming from the doom, and curse of longing with ME makes no sense

[sweet hornet]

ooo

how exactly does longing works?

[chilly ibex]

reapplies a weaker doom once it delivers the damage

[strange lark]

doom lasts forever when an enemy has weak on them

[chilly ibex]

recursively, halving the damage each time

while weak

yeah

[strange lark]

yeah

[sweet hornet]

so it only works when not being manually re-applied

halving forever means at most twice the damage

[chilly ibex]

which is still good

and means constant privileged status

(taking weak = constant)

[strange lark]

i dont understand why you want curse of longing with ME if ME can instantly set off doom

[chilly ibex]

yeah, I don't think anyone's arguing for that 🙂

[sweet hornet]

when it's set off by ME the doom status is removed right?

[chilly ibex]

yeah

[sweet hornet]

makes sense now

[turbid needle]

for zeus shield my friend has done a crazy cool buikld with zeus special and artemis support fire

the dps is insane

[chilly ibex]

at least I think so, never actually had longing + ME at the same itme

[strange lark]

yes

[sweet hornet]

dio dash with curse of nausea might be good?

[strange lark]

sure

[uncut lintel]

This guide makes it seem like I can use ||Meg's Companion|| more than once per run, is that true?

[strange lark]

yes

[sweet hornet]

once you upgrade it, up to 5

[strange lark]

meg has 5 uses

[turbid needle]

||you need to give her more ambrosia to use her more than once||

[sweet hornet]

but still only 1 per room

[strange lark]

you can buy more from a well

[strange lark]

no you need to level the companion up

[turbid needle]

oh really?

[strange lark]

yeah

[sweet hornet]

it's from the keepsake window

[turbid needle]

my friend has lied to me...

[uncut lintel]

Ah, I was not aware of this, I only have the first upgrade.

sorry the first unlock!

not upgrade

I have that one and ||Skelly's||

[sweet hornet]

after you select the companion, if you press A again you'll spend 1/2/3/4 ambros to increase uses per run

[uncut lintel]

thank you

[turbid needle]

wait yeah this is what i thought

[uncut lintel]

I used my last Ambrosia to buy the aspect I'm using lol

[turbid needle]

@strange lark now im confused

[strange lark]

what

[turbid needle]

i thought you had to use ambrosia to get more uses and then you said that it was a matter of levelling it u[p

up

[sweet hornet]

leveling is spending ambro in the keepsake window

[turbid needle]

aaaaah

[strange lark]

you need to give meg 1 ambrosia to get the companion, then you need to level it up for more uses

and leveling it up costs ambrosia

[turbid needle]

oooh ok gotcha gotcha

[uncut lintel]

Hazard Bomb, Targeting System or Flurry Fire?

I'm thinking Flurry

[strange lark]

targeting

[sweet hornet]

tarjay

[uncut lintel]

why's that?

[strange lark]

30% extra damage from everything

[uncut lintel]

...oh

[strange lark]

including meg

[uncut lintel]

oooooh

[sweet hornet]

as long as the rocket is in flight and target is in the recticle

[chilly ibex]

actually, does targeting system get absolutely nullified by rocket bomb?

[strange lark]

no

[strange lark]

no thats not how it works

[sweet hornet]

oh wait, how then?

[strange lark]

enemies targeted by your special will move slower for 10-15 seconds idk how long

and take extra damage

[sweet hornet]

I can't seem to find any info on that, I guess I'll look hard in game when I get a chance

[strange lark]

yeah, i know that enemies outside of the blast zone will be slowed and take extra damage but idk how long

it works with rocket bomb

so i know that they dont need to be in the explosion radius

[lime jolt]

I don't think its 10 seconds but it lasts for a good amount of time

30% global damage is really nice

[sweet hornet]

so it's active when the enemy has that red/black swirly circles thing

and it's on before the special even lands

[lime jolt]

yes

when they have the swirly things

[sweet hornet]

and persists for some time, like maybe 3 sec

[uncut lintel]

Lightening Strike LV.2, Tidal Dash LV.2, Strong Drink, Premium Vintage (first two rooms after Zeus were Dionysus), Targeting System, Piercing Fire (best of the 3 worst hammers), Hyper Sprint, Greater Reflex, Caustic Flourish, Breaking Wave LV.2, Razor Shoals LV.2 and a Frozen Touch that I got for free from a fountain room. Currently in first room of Styx for a Zeus skull.

As well as ||Meg's charm|| and Aspect of Eris

Currently looking at a boon screen from Zeus with Thunder Flourish, Heaven's Vengeance and Storm Lightening. Which should I take?

@turbid needle @strange lark Thoughts?

[strange lark]

thats pretty good

but no thunder flourish

get artemis special

[turbid needle]

yeah not flourish

[uncut lintel]

Trying to get it, but I literally haven't seen her symbol this whole run.

[turbid needle]

my instinct says storm lightning

[lime jolt]

storm lightning for S P L I T T I N G

[uncut lintel]

Splitting?

[strange lark]

splitting bolt

[lime jolt]

his legendary

[uncut lintel]

OH

Storm Lightening it is

I have a Dionysus, Pom, Heart and Gold with skull for rooms, none of which I really need for the build. Gold maybe but nothing worthwhile in Charon's shop

[strange lark]

get pom and heart

if nothing is good in charons shop

[uncut lintel]

Got it

[chilly ibex]

By the way, anvils. Does anyone ever take them unless the run is going absolutely terribly and you're trying to salvage it?

[strange lark]

i only take them if i have bad hammers

in most of my runs i am looking for two specific hammers

if i already have one of those hammers then i wont use the anvil

[uncut lintel]

what he said ^

And it was neither tunnel lol so now Dio or gold?

[strange lark]

gold

[uncut lintel]

I kinda wanna take dio just to have a special possibly

[strange lark]

nah

[uncut lintel]

okie

[strange lark]

wait what is in the shop?

[uncut lintel]

Alright got it. I have 623 gold. The shop has a 150 Dem, a 450 Dem, 300 Pom, 150 Heart, 275 Anvil and 1200 Blood

[strange lark]

take demeter

[uncut lintel]

the 450?

[strange lark]

yeah

try to get the special

[uncut lintel]

I have the rare special, a rare nourished soul and an epic ravenous will

[strange lark]

special

[uncut lintel]

Got it.

Still got enough for a heart or the other Dem, currently 265 HP

[sweet hornet]

is razor shoals basically must-take if you have tidal dash, right?

[turbid needle]

no

[strange lark]

razor shoals does damage to enemies that are moving so not really

[uncut lintel]

I just got it because his other boons were the special and just random stuff at the time

@strange lark Still got enough for a heart or the other Dem, currently 265 HP

[strange lark]

take a heart i guess

[uncut lintel]

Coolio. I have 290 full HP and all 3 DD for once. Now time to die to that dude

||First phase down|| no DD lost and 3/4 full HP

FINALLY!!!!!!!

[turbid needle]

niiiice

wp man

[uncut lintel]

Thank you! I'm so happy! I was ready to quit playing this game until I got involved in this Discord so Thank you all very much! @turbid needle @strange lark Especially!

[turbid needle]

the game only gets better from here

once you beat hades the first time it becomes less about "oh man what build can i do to beat him" and it becomes "ooh what build should i try next"

[strange lark]

nice

[uncut lintel]

Oh I have learned that from reading in the discord and my desire to simply unlock everything is gonna push me to keep playing.

[strange lark]

its funny how you beat the game for the first time and i just died

[limber whale]

okay I remember someone in this chat saying something like
"Family Favorite is a ripoff"
which Mirror of Night Talent's a ripoff, again?

[turbid needle]

uh

depends?

[limber whale]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, right

I forgot

[turbid needle]

the one that gives rare boons is def bad

family fav is good

[limber whale]

ah, okay, thanks

[turbid needle]

yeah the family one is really nice

[sweet hornet]

you'd always go with legacy (duo/legend) over pride (rare)?

[uncut lintel]

Pride increases the chance of epics I thought??

[sweet hornet]

oh you're right, derp

[uncut lintel]

Personally, unless the build you're trying for specifically calls for a duo or legendary I would just keep the Epics.

[turbid needle]

the thing is i think most builds really benefit from some legendary or duo

[sweet hornet]

yeah I go for the epic one because I hate getting all common boons

[strange lark]

Gods legacy is a scam

[jovial fulcrum]

God's Pride is also a scam

[uncut lintel]

Gods are a scam

[cunning urchin]

God's Legacy is amazing.

[limber whale]

I really only go for Pride unless I'm doing a run to get specific Legendary/Duo
probably because I play the game casually
like, REALLY casually

[turbid needle]

dark foresight too good

[cunning urchin]

Pride and Legacy are both very good.

Dark Foresight is busted.

[small fable]

What are some good boons for Aspect of Arthur? I'm currently doing a run and Deadly Strike is working well but what is generally a good build?

[lime jolt]

Deadly strike heartrend is pretty good

Heartbreak strike also good

[sweet hornet]

have this weird build and trying to decide between cold fusion and scintillating feast - I aleady have ice wine

achilles spear, zeus attack, splash dash, trippy shot, demeter special

hammers are flurry jab and (lol) triple jab

I don't think I'll have trouble re-applying jolted so scintillating should be better

anvil'd away flurry jab for quick spin and flaring spin lol

[lime jolt]

Why tf would you anvil flurry + triple LUL

[sweet hornet]

for the luls

because I only really needed my cast

[slim lynx]

but what if you don't have your cast

how are you gonna deal damage now without it

[jovial fulcrum]

anvil for the gamble

the more i play, the more I never want to see another anvil in my life lol

[sweet hornet]

I had quick reload so it wasn't that long, the damage drop off wasn't too bad

[hoary sorrel]

The anvil has saved a few runs for me.

[sweet hornet]

my favorite anvil moments are always landing cursed slash

talk about a run-killer

[jovial fulcrum]

There's decent anvils for sure, but most of the time it's either neutral or bad

[hoary sorrel]

First time i used it, it took away dash nova and replaced it with super nova and double nova,

[jovial fulcrum]

Any sword aspect just kind of gets rekt by Cursed Slash, like vppl said.
Hazard Bomb on Eris can make an easy run into a nailbiter

[hoary sorrel]

I wondered if cursed slash was actually good

Guess not lol

[turbid needle]

Cursed Slash can be good.

It's reeeally not recommended with the last Aspect, but if you swing Flurry Slash it's actually kind of hard to die, you get so much health back so quickly.

[hoary sorrel]

Oh i see the combo there

[jovial fulcrum]

Yeah. Anything can be good.
Cursed just mainly hurts when you're starting to get in to the territory of using SD for health recovery

which seems contrary, lol

but -60% hp is a lot when your SD only recovers 30% of you max hp

so your SD (with 100 hp) goes from recovering 30 to recovering 12

[hoary sorrel]

SD stands for what?

[jovial fulcrum]

Stubborn Defiance

[hoary sorrel]

Oh ok

Yeah i see the issue

[jovial fulcrum]

a common thing to do when you're climbing heat is to take Lasting Consequences 4 and use SD over DD

[hoary sorrel]

Good to know

[jovial fulcrum]

It makes bosses harder, but it makes rooms easier

and room are really scary sometimes, on higher heat

[sweet hornet]

I just got mirage shot in chamber 7, poseidon sword, poseidon cast

this might end up amazing

[boreal prism]

Oooh

Does poseidon cast even lodge though? I forget which do

[sweet hornet]

it does

the only ones that don't lodge are dio, ares, and demeter

also got quick reload before end of tartarus

mmm can't think of a good keepsake for asphodal

does curse of drowning work well with mirage shot?

[jovial fulcrum]

Athena lodges usually, but sometimes it has trouble doing so for some reason

[slim lynx]

crush shot also sometimes doesn't lodge for some reason

it hits but doesn't lodge, probably something to do with range

[sweet hornet]

the AoE looks like a cone

maybe the cast itself doesn't reach but the flare does

[jovial fulcrum]

could be. Phalanx similarly makes the hurtbox of the cast much larger than the default

[limber cloak]

@dusky locust triple is good on rama because you can hit all three shots on one enemy

if you're really close

[dusky locust]

So, it's like shotgun zagreus build

Go in melee and q

[limber cloak]

You can watch tailesque's play with it on youtube, he's done 60 heat with rama

[dusky locust]

But this time, charge atk

[lucid oar]

Twin is more consistent though. I usually prefer twin, but triple is great too.

[dusky locust]

any interesting ignis build? Kinda bored of the usual zues attack

[limber whale]

ignis?

[dusky locust]

lucifer

[limber whale]

oh, right

hmmmm

what are you open to? A different speedrun technique or just something to mess around with?

[dusky locust]

I don't really know anymore. I already got 32 heat

feels like there's nothing more to achieve

[limber whale]

alright I'm gonna recommend a Wide Putin build
Dio Attack
Ares or Aphro Special
you can do pretty much anything with the Cast, it's very flexible
Athena Dash
Artemis Special if you go with Ares Special, if not, you can do something that's more open to non-greater calls and hope for Smoldering Air

this is just what I do when I just want to have fun

[dusky locust]

Ah, that's what I'm going for now.

[limber whale]

👌

hope that makes everything more fun!

[dusky locust]

Need to remove tight deadline to 9 mins though

Dio atk is a bit slow to clear rooms

[limber whale]

yeah, true

but if you get Dio/Ares Duo you could speed it up a bit, right?

[sweet hornet]

impending doom vs curse of longing for demeter fist w/ ares atk and aphro special?

[limber whale]

although if you really want to do something wacky, crank AP up to max and just roll with the punches

[dusky locust]

why aphro special tho?

[sweet hornet]

because it has the best % dmg boost, and weak

[limber whale]

I chose Aphro Special because it's convenient to drop a bomb near an enemy and bam now they're weakened

[dusky locust]

doom is a status right? Trying to use the 40% stats thing on double status effect

[limber whale]

I'm willing to bet it is

[turbid needle]

yes

[silver steppe]

doom is a status as long as the sword is hanging there

[celest lantern]

not only does it count, it is in fact affected by the effect; the damage is applied BEFORE the effect actually gets removed

wasted potential https://i.imgur.com/Vj4CkGC.png

[turbid needle]

thats just priv status being bad

[opal lodge]

priv status can be ok

just stop applying it with bad statuses

recently magnil's been running it a lot in chaos shield speedruns

as long as you know for a fact you'll have it active by furies (i.e. starting with a curse and curse hunting HARD in tart) i think its justifiable

not necessarily optimal but justifiable

[left mirage]

weapons that work well with Zeus boons?

[cunning urchin]

Malphon, Exagryph.

Chaos Aspect, Zeus Aspect.

Rama.

[left mirage]

but is it worth to swap Zeus' dash for Divine Dash?

or should i stay with Divine Dash

[cunning urchin]

Thunder Dash on its own is pretty weak. You'd want to double down on his boons if you take that to make it worthwhile.

[left mirage]

hmm i see

im getting tired of Merciful End build for Malphon, any other great builds?

[cunning urchin]

These should be good. #h1-builds-and-combat message

[left mirage]

nice

thanks!

[urban vapor]

are there any hammers like cursed slash that heal you for doing something? i quite enjoy cursed slash

[strange lark]

guan yu

[urban vapor]

what is guan yu

[strange lark]

hidden spear

[urban vapor]

i see

[jovial fulcrum]

Drain Cutter is the only other one i can think of

That's 'kill with special' on the fists

it's, like, fine on Demeter

[strange lark]

yeah

its not that good though

[proven osprey]

turbo value on gilnyaamesh too

[strange lark]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/826957258160209920/837025796006608966/image0.png

[cunning urchin]

True.

[limber cloak]

Does drain cutter work even if the enemy died because of maim?

[proven osprey]

yes

[hoary sorrel]

Eurydice, generally speaking what is the the best item to take from her?

[lucid oar]

Nectar if you have the prerequisites to a duo boon you want, or if you haven’t seen Hermes yet. Ambrosia if you have few boons, all of which scale well with rarity (like greatest reflex and rush delivery), else Pom porridge.

[hoary sorrel]

Thanks

[proven osprey]

Every option is very good and depends on what's your build/what you aim for

Nectar is strong if you need a duo or if you have not seen hermes yet

Ambrosia is good if you have interesting targets

Porridge is very nice for boons such as doom, hangover, flat damage in general

[lucid oar]

Porridge is also good for casts/dash/call as they tend to scale better with poms than with rarity

[gusty rapids]

yeah literally anything with eury is a good option depending on the circumstances

[lime jolt]

My most common pick is poms

From eury

[celest lantern]

Oh come on! Not again! https://i.imgur.com/GIArpB5.png

(the run right before: https://i.imgur.com/Vj4CkGC.png )

[proven osprey]

Doom insanely scales with rarity

it's only rare, take it

[celest lantern]

yeah, but did it have to be an epic rare crop? ;-;

[opal vortex]

an early rare crop is amazing? What are you complaining about?

[opal lodge]

doom on zag rail special is a little bit of a

special is a high base damage attack

high base damage moves like % based modifiers, like arty, aphro, dem, or athena

rail attack is a low base damage, high rof attack, which likes flat damage modifiers, like dio, ares, or zeus

[lime jolt]

^

[west coyote]

Is Arthur’s aspect as good as I think it is?

[dusky locust]

It's meh

It hits like a truck but it's so damn slow.

Good defensively though

[small fable]

I like it but it can take a while to get used to. If you feel fine with slower movement then go ahead

if you have a good build you can be hitting some huge numbers

Is level 1 for Eris playable? I wanna get a run with the rail but dont wanna spent too much on it since it isn't one of my favorites

[strange lark]

It's playable but not good

You should at least get it to like lvl 3

[small fable]

gotcha

would the same go for Chiron?

[proven osprey]

You can still make chiron work with attack hammers or relentless volley

But yeah not as efficient

[uncut lintel]

I beat [Redacted] for the first time with a LV.1 Eris

[uncut lintel]

Any chance I could get a Nemesis build?? Please and thank you!

[slim lynx]

double edge, deadly strike, heartbreak flourish, heart rend

also +2 or more dashes from hermes

+1 dash probably isn't worth it, it'd be better to go for hyper delivery or perhaps roll for rarity iunno

[uncut lintel]

bet thanks

any particular keepsake I should start with to attempt a good attack boon?

[lime jolt]

I would take +1 dash

Specially if their not speedrunning

[uncut lintel]

which i am not lol

[opal lodge]

yeah +1 dash is good enough

[boreal prism]

Hmm... turns out, poseidon legendary, as bad as it is, does blow through styx pretty fast, with those tight corridors

I hit enemy, they ram into wall, take 200 and knockback into another wall, take 200, and when they stop bouncing the additional bounces kick in

[opal lodge]

that's just breaking wave

second wave isnt doing anything there

breaking wave is the boon that does the pingponging

[boreal prism]

Yeah? Second wave doesn't make the ping ponging more?

[opal lodge]

not really

second wave only does something if an enemy isnt shoved into a wall by the initial pushback

[boreal prism]

Oh ok

[cunning urchin]

Curse of Pain is bad for Triple, Cluster, or Hazard Bomb but fantastic otherwise.

[slate obsidian]

what's a weapon aspect that wants ares stuff? i need to run into him for story stuff and i have no idea what weapon aspect actually wants ares boons

[turbid needle]

anything merciful end

chaos is good with ares I think

cast builds for ares work well with hunting blades

[slate obsidian]

will arthur work?

merciful end arthur maybe

[turbid needle]

hmmm

not so much arthur I'd say

well mericful end works with everything

arthur usually wants big %dmg on attack

[slate obsidian]

hmm maybe demeter or gil fists? with doom attack or special?

[cunning urchin]

Curse of Agony is excellent on Malphon.

You could do a Blade Dash build on Gilgamesh.

[slate obsidian]

ooh! okay, thank you both tons!

[restive turtle]

what's the best weapon in the game?