7.30 elysium
#h1-builds-and-combat
gusty rapids
even something like an 8:30 elysium can sub 10 with a really good build, it'll just be much tighter
so those are vague benchmarks
solid sable
my build is so good
but the rng is bad
i got almost 0 free rooms
and than is stinky
cunning urchin
Sub 5 Asphodel can work out, but 4:30 is a lot more reliable for sub 10. Elysium variance is pretty high.
Just in my experience.
4:30 means you can get a 3m Elysium and still make it.
gusty rapids
well yeah save time somewhere and it'll be easier somewhere else
slim lynx
i feel like i won't be getting sub 10 until i've made 45 heat
magic rivet
Just the main
chilly ibex
Hi everyone. Here's a question. Does the +150% attack damage buff on the Achilles spear's special affect Zeus/Dionysus/Ares (in other words, flat) attack damage boons?
gusty rapids
no
valid prism
Pretty sure it doesn't, it only applies to the base damage of the atk
gusty rapids
anything that says it affects "attack damage" only affects your base attack, not any flat effects stacked on top
so like you said, not zeus dio ares
those are only affected by global damage buffs
(family favorites, rush delivery, etc)
chilly ibex
Ah, so I should pretty much always go hunting for percentage attack boons on that spear. All right, thanks!
(if going with an attack-centric strategy)
gusty rapids
if you get the flurry jab hammer, that works very well with zeus attack as well, fwiw
valid prism
That or using a cast with it
gusty rapids
though for most cases, going something high% like artemis or aphro always works great
valid prism
Cast has no pb with the 150% bonus
gusty rapids
artemis specifically since crit scales the innate +150% achilles gives you very well
chilly ibex
Yeah, figured as much 🙂
valid prism
Artemis is a good starter with Achilles because you can start with atk or dash boon and feel fine for the beginning
chilly ibex
Actually, another question. Does the buff work on Demeter turrets?
chilly ibex
now that's lovely 😄 thank you!
valid prism
Achilles' aspect + Demeter cast + duo Artemis/Demeter = 👍
opal lodge
so did a starfox runner
sources say @mighty ermine cleared 50 achilles with dem cast after saying "TORYA TORYA piece of cake" and then did a barrel roll
mighty ermine
this is exactly how it happened verbatim actually
slim lynx
tailesque after clearing high heat hades spear for the 34th time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTBqARutEI4
valid prism
I need energy to barrel roll Tailesque but 56 heat is tough 😔
balmy star
just found out winter harvest plays a scythe animation when you kill a boss
so frickin dope
it slow mos and everything too like come on
balmy star
yeah but it goes like that on all things not just bosses no
proven osprey
yes but since maim is garbage it's pretty rare too right
valid prism
Maim could be used a lot if the counterpart wasn't that dangerous right?
proven osprey
I guess
The move is dangerous on its own because of the recovery
and you also have to deal with the + damage you take
valid prism
The sloooooow uppercut
proven osprey
just found out winter harvest plays a scythe animation when you kill a boss
Try to kill Hades to get some cool lines
balmy star
almost there boss
cunning urchin
If Maim didn't have the nasty drawback of making enemies deal +50% to yourself, there would still be aspects better than Gilgamesh.
Dwell on that. 
proven osprey
^
valid prism
What's the point with hidden aspects anyway? To play with legendary powers because of their gameplays
Or
To struggle to the point winning a run with them is what makes you legendary?
👀
boreal prism
Hidden aspects... at least they're not zag aspect, right?
balmy star
^
opal lodge
something like zag bow is actually good
balmy star
me, using zag rail right now
cunning urchin
Zag Bow > Gilgamesh
Zag Fists > Gilgamesh
Zag Shield > Gilgamesh
Zag Rail > Gilgamesh
Flurry Jab > Gilgamesh
Alright, alright. One is not like the others. 
opal lodge
this is exploding launcher erasure
balmy star
@proven osprey can't tell if there's more than one line that can play but i got "reap what you sow"
boreal prism
Zag aspects are so subtle it's a cool thing they have in common... in retrospect, in a zag rail run, I never had to reload in a dangerous situation, but that's not something I notice while playing
cunning urchin
Exploding who?
balmy star
pretty cool but ngl was expecting something cooler 👉🏼 👈🏼
proven osprey
<@!238040913715265537> can't tell if there's more than one line that can play bu...
REAP WHAT YOU SOW
cunning urchin
It's actually a scice.
balmy star
bye
cunning urchin
Chill, man.
balmy star
i hate you
boreal prism
Me when I'm sowing: "haha this rocks hell yeah"
Me when I'm reaping facing em4: "damn"
lime jolt
WITHER AND DIE is one of them iirc
proven osprey
True
slim lynx
i wonder if dash nova could totally work on nemesis with the whole special > dash x2 thing
if done right, you should have a lot of sturdy uptime
cunning urchin
Yeah, Dash Nova can work quite well.
limber whale
https://puu.sh/HAV7P/8ad6c2cc2f.jpg
😬
proven osprey
why do you run AP with prophecies to complete 
cunning urchin
AP is a prophecy to complete too lol.
proven osprey
Yeah but it may be not optimal to complete boon prophecies with AP on
limber whale
oh no
proven osprey
AP1 is evil
unborn sundial
i normally never get these!!!
limber whale
I just feel really bad for you now alice
unborn sundial
i wasnt thinking about it LMAO
limber whale
because Crystal Clarity is the only reason to get Demeter Cast
lime jolt
AP1 is more evil than ap2 don't @ me
unborn sundial
it feels less bad when you only have one option anyway
oh what the hell, i just got offered crystal clarity AGAIN
this is definitely not random
cunning urchin
lol yes it is random.
slim lynx
it's even funnier that the bottom option is epic frozen touch again
scarlet glen
Any weapons pair particularly nicely with the boons from Aphrodite? Maybe a particular duo boon?
slim lynx
Any weapons pair particularly nicely with the boons from Aphrodite? Maybe a part...
anything that hits hard
hestia, arthur, guan yu (charged skewer) etc
scarlet glen
I'm not yet familiar with Arthur, what exactly does it do
boreal prism
Slow, big damage
(And the special creates a zone that slows projectiles and reduces damage and disables traps)
The thing with aphrodite is that her core boons increase your damage more than other core boons
boreal prism
It's a zone of "you should stand here"
slim lynx
how does excalibur interact with the falling blades in styx?
do they still fall but you don't take damage or do they just not fall
cunning urchin
No interaction.
slim lynx
so it just doesn't work on them?
i'd assume you at least don't take damage, like how you can destroy a dad pot, set down your hallowed ground and be completely safe
turbid needle
https://puu.sh/HAVcE/4a5fc55ab3.jpg
Don't take AP until you're pushing Heat so high you literally have no other choice.
cunning urchin
Why? AP is fun.
unborn sundial
Don't take AP until you're pushing Heat so high you literally have no other choi...
lesson learned lmao, im doing 2 heat for the first time ever because im thinking it's easier than harder enemies and im bad at the game
turbid needle
No way, it's Amir's Revenge.
slim lynx
limited boon choices is automatically difficult
turbid needle
You see every boon freely offered, and then watch time and time again as Duos, Legendaries, and just basically everything you want and need struck out.
slim lynx
it indirectly hinders your run greatly
unborn sundial
honestly if it just only gave you 2 to begin with there'd be nothing wrong
turbid needle
Exactly!
unborn sundial
it deals psychic damage because you can see what you're not getting
turbid needle
That it shows you what you could have had and then nukes it is the worst.
unborn sundial
YA
turbid needle
It's exhausting.
unborn sundial
it also makes any well item or eurydice or anything else that increases rarity for your next boon choice useless
because the thing which is rare is inaccessible
i don't believe it's random at all i refuse to believe it
boreal prism
Every time you do approval process, it sends an email to the devs and they decide which boon you don't get
unborn sundial
the emotes in this server are fire
turbid needle
They are.
I need to talk to someone about using them on Twitch, maybe through BTTV so Bezos gets less/nothing.
slim lynx
That it shows you what you *could* have had and then nukes it is *the worst.*
reroll
duo boon effect
it's the duo boon you wanted
duo boon is crossed out
small fable
Had a great build going into the final battle but choked against Hades. Kinda sucked 
In other news, what are the best/most optimal boons for Aspect of Nemesis? I usually just go all out on Artemis but wanted to double check
cunning urchin
Deadly Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, Heart Rend with as many Dash-Strike and Attack boons you can get from Master Chaos or Curse of Agony, Divine Flourish, Divine Dash, Merciful End.
In either case, you'll want Double Edge, ideally.
plush agate
Luci with tempest strike and the lighting on knockback is so much fun
shrewd badge
Any tips for the secret bow?
split relic
Arty attack and dash with aphro special is ez heartrend
And any dash strike dmg up boons from chaos
U hit some big dmg
shrewd badge
Arty?
strange lark
artemis
artemis attack aphrodite special
aim for the duo boon heart rend
dash strike instead of normal attacks
strange lark
what
if you put on a god keepsake they are gonna show up
but the keepsake can only be used once
cunning urchin
If you want to do Heart Rend on Rama, Passion Dash is better for that than Heartbreak Flourish.
cunning urchin
Opportunity cost for not taking Drunken Flourish, Thunder Flourish, or Curse of Pain is simply too high if you take Heartbreak Flourish.
Those three are ideal for damage.
And Frost Flourish is great for spreading Chill.
Way less damage, though.
split relic
If you want to do Heart Rend on Rama, Passion Dash is better for that than Heart...
But doesn't that make it harder if ur trying to proc it?
Like sometime u be too close to enemies
And special procs the perk
proven osprey
Rama is not really a range weapon
So applying weak with passion dash is not a problem
cunning urchin
But doesn't that make it harder if ur trying to proc it?
You only need to apply Weak to the one enemy that you're targeting with your Attack, anyway.
All the others will take the increased damage from a Heart Rend crit through Shared Suffering.
split relic
Ahh
opal lodge
doesnt that lose hunter dash damage though
unique elk
||how many times do i have to mf talk to achilles to get the aspect of guan yu||
boreal prism
Do you have all the requirements
strange lark
||how many times do i have to mf talk to achilles to get the aspect of guan yu||
once complete all the requirements its just rng, you could get it on your first try or it could take you 100 tries
unique elk
hopefully i have al lthe rquirements lol
||i have the fated list, unlocked every weapon (so 5+ titan blood) and beat the boss like 10 times so||
strange lark
#h1-story-discussion in the pinned messages you can see what you need to unlock all the hidden aspects
turbid needle
I know that a lot of people don’t like the bow, but with the Aspect of Hera and the Daedalus Upgrade that makes it slower but deal +%300 damage, it feels right.
rigid sentinel
hopefully i have al lthe rquirements lol
I think you have to put 5 titanblood in one weapon and not every weapon
so not just requiring the weapons with titanblood you have to put 5 in ONE weapon
lime jolt
I know that a lot of people don’t like the bow, but with the Aspect of Hera and ...
Lots of people like the bow
cunning urchin
Yeah, I think bow is very popular.
lime jolt
I like hera
unborn sundial
||i have the fated list, unlocked every weapon (so 5+ titan blood) and beat the ...
||gotta put the blood in the spear specifically||
rigid sentinel
no dont think so
cunning urchin
Yeah, that's not correct.
unique elk
yeah the pinned post says unlock at least 5 other aspects, so thsoe can be from any weapon yeah?
cunning urchin
Yeah.
unborn sundial
ah my b then
unique elk
ye either way i def have 5 titanblood in the fists at least so i should be good to go just gotta wait XD
unborn sundial
i just happened to get it right after i put 5 in the spear lmao
turbid needle
Lots of people like the bow<:squirtyay:456913427550699552>
Really? I always heard that it sucked.
strange lark
all weapons are good
unborn sundial
bow with athena boon on special is hilarious
strange lark
Ares special can be good on rama
boreal prism
On rama you want a damage multiplier on attack
proven osprey
it's fine on special
boreal prism
Ares special would be fine yeah
proven osprey
it's actually more than fine it's great damage
shrewd badge
And dioneses?
proven osprey
really good on special too
strange lark
Dio special is good on rama
proven osprey
But it's not your main damage source
you should aim for a strong attack like Artemis or Aphrodite
proven osprey
o7
shrewd badge
Tips for Eris gun?
strange lark
Tips for Eris gun?
Zeus attack, artemis special, poseidon dash
Get up close to everyone
And try to get rocket bomb
The good thing about eris is that the damage boost applies to all damage
So your lightning and the dash damage will be boosted by eris
And make sure that you are always inside of your specials blast radius to keep the damage up
Also with rocket bomb you should get cluster bomb, it makes the special shoot out 5 rockets
small fable
In either case, you'll want Double Edge, ideally.
what is another good hammer for a Nemesis build? super nova?
strange lark
Builds for zeus shield?
Aphro attack, zeus special, zeus call, smoldering air duo boon
You can also try to get zeus legendary boon
boreal prism
What does Zeus legendary boon do, exactly
I can't tell from the description
Is it just like 100% double strike
strange lark
Yeah pretty much
It's just more damage in the form of a ball
It's like lightning support fire
boreal prism
Ah ok
lime jolt
Every lightning you get a little bolt thing that does 40 dmg
fringe jacinth
chain shot or twin shot w rama?
boreal prism
I think you'd suffer from the reduced range of twin shot but it depends on your playstyle. Rama really really likes hitting multiple times with attack, so go for chain shot I think
Each enemy you hit with your attack will proc shared suffering
fringe jacinth
ty
split relic
Honeslty it depends
Like if ur struggling with small enemies then it works
But imo for most satisfying results twin shot feels much better if u use artemis attack bc it's a double to ur dmg
And u can use ur special and spam to get rid of like small skulls or flamewheels
boreal prism
I guess chain shot is worse against bosses, sure
But reduced range on the slowest bow is a bit much for me
turbid needle
Triple/Point-Blank is considered a high end build for Rama for everything but the very highest Heat, I think.
Twin's damage is very significant.
boreal prism
Lot of good hammers for rama
fringe jacinth
wtf i have a killer build and was doing rly well but then the rng decided to screw me over
the satyr sack was in the last tunnel??
i didnt even know that was possible
i have 2 dd's and 8 min left, i might still be able to pull this off but we'll see
I DID IT DFHLSJKDFHLK
thats 32 heat done on 3 weapons, 3 more to go
lime jolt
chain shot or twin shot w rama?
Twin
Twin shot is one of the best rama hammers
Chain shot falls on the opposite end of the spectrum
fringe jacinth
twin shot is like. objectively good i just hate it ngl
like it does a lot of damage but the reduced range is annoying
steel rampart
any tips for spear/shield/fists? i can't even make it out of elysium most times with them so maybe something isn't clicking
fringe jacinth
I play with fists a lot and i recommend dashing like all the time
Constantly i mean
Also if you can try and get merciful end
For shield, my tip is to take your time to try and block the attacks
Shield doesnt do a ton of damage but the blocking is real useful
Spear kinda sucks imo but flaring spin is great
steel rampart
i feel like with spear the spin attack takes a while and i'd take a bunch of damage from it? though to be fair im not very good at avoiding attacks in general
steel rampart
ahh okay i'll give it a shot
fringe jacinth
You could also use achilles and rely on casts instead of attacks
steel rampart
ah, got it
i think i'll try out merciful end first on fists (ares attack athena special?) and move on from there
any tips for hammers for fists too? i know theyre super important for rail but not sure about others
fringe jacinth
If youre using talos (which id recommend) u should go with ares special athena attack i think
I really like rolling knuckle
Also long knuckle is great too
steel rampart
ahh okay! ill try it out
fringe jacinth
But none of the fist hammers significantly change the way the weapon functions
Unlike rail or spear
boreal prism
What's the deal with the fist kick hammer
Also there's kinetic launcher that does change fists a lot
real remnant
does twin shot fire two separate casts when using hera?
gusty rapids
no, just fires as many casts as you load in
cunning urchin
But reduced range on the slowest bow is a bit much for me
Because your charge is so slow, enemies move into your Twin Shot range by the time you get a Power Shot anyway.
small fable
Recommendations for Aspect of Zeus Shield aside from the Zeus special boon?
scarlet glen
Anyone have any particularly nice duos with Aphrodite?
turbid needle
Smouldering Air and Heart Rend.
lucid oar
Recommendations for Aspect of Zeus Shield aside from the Zeus special boon?
Explosive return is really good, you'll want to change the way you play and make the special return to you as soon as it's passed the enemy. Other than that, jolted and double strike, and if you can get it, splitting bolt.
lucid oar
Anyone have any particularly nice duos with Aphrodite?
Low tolerance is good when combined with curse of nausea
opal lodge
ME is good on either combo of athena atk + ares spec or ares atk + athena spec
limber cloak
Recommendations for Aspect of Zeus Shield aside from the Zeus special boon?
you can also run heartrend
arty special, with aphro attack/dash
also try to get support fire
support fire basically procs everytime you hit an enemy with your special on zeus shield, its so fun to watch
shrewd badge
Aphro attack, zeus special, zeus call, smoldering air duo boon
Thank you
lime jolt
ME is good on either combo of athena atk + ares spec or ares atk + athena spec
I just take the higher rarity
supple flicker
any good builds for the rama aspect? (also trying to break the habit of seeking hunting arrows every time)
strange lark
any good builds for the rama aspect? (also trying to break the habit of seeking ...
artemis attack, aphro special or dash, heart rend
strange lark
what about the chaos shield?
aphro attack, ares special or dio special
with ares special try to get curse of longing
with dio special get low tolerance and get curse of vengeance to get curse of nausea
supple flicker
i see
thanks!
lime jolt
Zeus special is also really good
small fable
Any tips for Zeus aspect combat? Idk if it's my lack of skill with it but it always feels kinda slow when I play it, not the special itself but the whole experience feels kinda slow and it doesn't feel as if I'm going much damage with the blitz disc
strange lark
Any tips for Zeus aspect combat? Idk if it's my lack of skill with it but it alw...
throw out the disc and bull rush a bunch
and to activate the bull rush you should hold down dash attack
a good zeus build is aphro attack, zeus special, zeus call, smoldering air
cunning urchin
Any tips for Zeus aspect combat? Idk if it's my lack of skill with it but it alw...
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shrewd badge
Hello
I beat the last boss 2 times already
But takes me 30 minutes always
Any tips to improve time!
?*
jovial fulcrum
Just play more. That's the best way to practice
Once you're more familiar with the game, then I'd recommend looking at more advanced tips and stuff
proven osprey
Yeah, since you're in the 30 minutes range it's just a matter of getting used to the game
To go fast, you generally want to clear efficiently (group enemies up, always go towards the exit etc), pause while making decisions, that kind of stuff. But since you're a beginner you have still a lot to learn regarding builds, enemy behavior, aspect gameplay etc
scarlet glen
Good boons for Guan Yu?
strange lark
Good boons for Guan Yu?
Artemis special or aphro special with charged skewer
shrewd badge
Do you guys change the controller layout?
I fell like it doesnt work to well with the gun
turbid needle
Yeah, a lot of people change reload to a shoulder button.
proven osprey
Athena/Aphrodite/Demeter/Ares/Artemis are good on the attack. For the special, aim for a % boon such as aphrodite or artemis (really powerful with charged skewer). Basic dps rotation is special > double dash strike. @scarlet glen
Hammers : Charged skewer, Quick and Massive spins are the best.
Serrated point is good but a bit more risky
scarlet glen
I got quick spin and epic aphro attack, so I think I'm off to a good start then lol
proven osprey
yeah that's really nice
just be careful while spinning and you'll be fine, although quick spin allows you to spin whenever you feel like it
shrewd badge
Yeah, a lot of people change reload to a shoulder button.
I think im gonna change
turbid needle
I play on mouse and keyboard and I changed reload from R to a thumb mouse button.
vale stirrup
does freezing vortex and winter harvest work together 🤔
strange lark
does freezing vortex and winter harvest work together 🤔
Doesn't winter harvest just kill everything at 10% health?
vale stirrup
i wanted to do a build that mass winter harvest enemies with the blade rifts combined with engufling vortex
sadly it didnt give the demeter legendary
so i was asking if anyone got it and if it does work together
strange lark
Winter harvest just kills everything so yes
vale stirrup
ah ok
i mean i couldve just used blade rift the weapon and just used demeter though casting rifts is more fun
nocturne raven
Got Sea Storm for the first time in a while today. Pity I was at 15 health with no DDs left when it happened.
tall saffron
Dude the gun with the cluster bomb holy hell lol
Its doing chain lightning and I'm just dashing around laying mortars all over the map haha I was able to get thesius before the minotaur for once
swift delta
any suggestion for clearing with Bow (Hera build)?
cunning urchin
Infernal Soul with Eternal Rose start for Crush Shot.
God's Legacy for Duo Boons. You wanna try to get Tidal Dash, Mirage Shot, Heart Rend, Parting Shot, Snow Burst, Ravenous Will, Smoldering Air. Any of those.
And all the poms on your Cast that you can get.
swift delta
perfect
cunning urchin
+1 ammo or Cast damage from Chaos Gates are huge.
slim lynx
always take chaos gates when running castspects
turbid needle
Hammers are mostly irrelevant for Hera.
slim lynx
i'd say hammers are good on hera for supplemental damage
cunning urchin
Flurry > Triple/Twin > Point-Blank > Charged Volley > whatever.
Charged Volley is great for bosses.
slim lynx
twin shot + deadly strike is already good damage when you're missing your casts, or otherwise lost them somehow
cunning urchin
Perfect Shot can be a nice pick, but most of the time, Power Shots don't matter.
olive swallow
I just got Demeter, are there any boons to look out for to have a duo with her?
strange lark
I just got Demeter, are there any boons to look out for to have a duo with her?
her cast is really good with a good build, try to get crystal clarity and use a cast aspect like achilles spear
if you get a t1 demeter boon you can get arctic blast which is really good if you get her t2 cast boon
and with the cast you should use stygian soul and get casts from chaos or artemis
and i also forgot to mention that the duo boon is demeter and artemis
olive swallow
Thank you!
boreal prism
if you get dem and you're deep into poseidon, you might wanna go for their duo, which requires poseidon's cast
their duo makes poseidon's cast real funky, but it deals big damage if you aim it right
mild oxide
i got a demeter boon that made the cast follow the enemies with more precision
it was really really broken
not even good, just busted
strange lark
i got a demeter boon that made the cast follow the enemies with more precision
yeah thats crystal clarity
jovial fulcrum
Beam with and without clarity is so different
mild oxide
ye
jovial fulcrum
mostly in that Crystal Clarity makes it significantly better
jovial fulcrum
The only things that sits there and soaks it up are Lernie and the start of Thesues phase 2
and Dad when he fires lasers back, i guess
mild oxide
Blade Rifts is it?
jovial fulcrum
yeah
mild oxide
Vórtice Cercenador in spanish
jovial fulcrum
Hunting Blades op
mild oxide
artemis' cast?
strange lark
blades hunt enemies now
jovial fulcrum
It makes them seek
jovial fulcrum
It's just, like, Clarity but for Rifts instead of Beam
mild oxide
especially against bosses
mild oxide
fair enough
jovial fulcrum
Yeah, it just makes them move faster
mild oxide
homing towards enemies is already pretty broken lol
strange lark
Your Cast creates a faster Blade Rift that seeks the nearest foe.
Seek Duration: 3.3 Sec.
just makes it move faster i think
mild oxide
after "seeking", do they just disappear or
strange lark
nah they just act normally
mild oxide
do they stay in place
that would be a bit too much lol
jovial fulcrum
usually by then, they're already where they need to be or the enemy is dead
mild oxide
once, i had a build with varatha
that had zeus standard attack boon
and poseidon special attack boon
strange lark
usually by then, they're already where they need to be or the enemy is dead
yeah pretty much
mild oxide
later i got the "shock" curse status
and the "rupture" curse status
(are those the correct names??)
mild oxide
and the dual boon that gave poseidon attacks an extra lightning
mild oxide
we call "shock" jolted
ooh ok
mild oxide
and the dual boon that gave poseidon attacks an extra lightning
so the DPS was stupidly high
jovial fulcrum
Static Discharge is the boon name, Jolted is the curse name
Razor Shoals is the boon name, Rupture is the curse name
jovial fulcrum
Sea Storm builds usually make the neurons fire 🐒
mild oxide
Static Discharge is the boon name, Jolted is the curse name
Razor Shoals is the ...
cool
mild oxide
hope you had privileged status
i think i had that too
jovial fulcrum
Sea Storm with Tidal Dash is the best
mild oxide
you basically annihilated every room within seconds
but...
i picked the hammer upgrade that makes the dash attack hit 3 times
and reduces dash distance by 25%
so i was virtually unable to dodge Hades' attacks
and he got me with the spin every single time lol
strange lark
with that hammer you have to get extra mobility
jovial fulcrum
Serrated op.
it means you're looking for Hermes above almost anything usually, though
mild oxide
but i ended up getting it
boreal prism
dps is cool but... not getting hit is also cool
mild oxide
because list of minor prophecies and stuff
mild oxide
dps is cool but... not getting hit is also cool
yeah xD
boreal prism
sometimes you have a lot of "not getting hit" and only a little dps
strange lark
movement boons
boreal prism
hermes boons are great
strange lark
and dodge chance
mild oxide
im gonna start going for hermes more
boreal prism
there's dodge chance, and then there's dash-healing, and then there's sturdy while dashing
strange lark
dash healing is not that helpful
mild oxide
dash-healing, i NEVER take that
boreal prism
yeah it's weak
boreal prism
you can only get 2-3 hermes boons per run so make sure to grab em when you can
mild oxide
oh theres a limit????
boreal prism
2 hermes boons +1 maybe at styx
mild oxide
oh btw is it worth it to kill Charon for the extra coins and premium card
mild oxide
lmao ok
boreal prism
depends on your situation usually no
mild oxide
first time i did it, he removed 2 of my death defiance uses LMAO
jovial fulcrum
The main thing is that it takes time
mild oxide
in tartarus
strange lark
never fight charon in tart
mild oxide
so my run was f*cked until the very end
jovial fulcrum
so my run was f*cked until the very end
You just gotta make it to Pat
mild oxide
i had half my healthbar
jovial fulcrum
Pat saves lives
mild oxide
and no revives
but i found patroclus
oh what a chad
restored all my death defiance uses
and also found healing in charon's shop
so yeah
went well
i think i died anyway so
looking forward to kill hades with every weapon
3 to go
jovial fulcrum
Hehe.
But yeah, if its low heat and you're not shooting for a PB, you can get away with taking a swing at Charon usually.
But the higher in heat you get, the less appealing it is to fight him for various reasons
strange lark
bye
mild oxide
Pretty much;
It takes time to fight him, and he might kill you
ye hes hard ;-;
jovial fulcrum
imagine if you had HL5
mild oxide
well byeee
jovial fulcrum
:3
strange lark
hl5 charon sounds great
mild oxide
(i dont know what hl5 is lol)
tall saffron
Could anyone recommend a good combo to go with the gun? I got halfway thru the 2nd round and hades got me lol
boreal prism
Could always go for dio attack, aphro special, and dio aphro duo
That might be less good on hestia and lucifer, I'm not too sure
turbid needle
zeus atk old reliable
lime jolt
^
tall saffron
I love Zeus and demeta idk if i spelt that right lol. But all boons are random lol. Im doing a sword run with aprhro and posideon. Also I got my bond forged with Charon what does that do
lime jolt
Just gets you a cute face
boreal prism
Bonds dont generally do stuff, especially not his
cunning urchin
Yeah, what Toffel said. Lightning Strike, Tidal Dash.
tall saffron
Ok. I had those opposite lol
turbid needle
just force zeus w thunder braclet ez
proven osprey
No Charon really likes money
tall saffron
How do I fight him
strange lark
Steal money in the mid shop, a yellow money bag has like a 20% chance of spawning behind him
grave halo
for me on demeter fists should you put athena on your special or attack?
tall saffron
My special I have dio on my attack with the vampire attack but with the less health
turbid needle
what is the best mirror of night build?
tall saffron
I try to max out as much as I can but I go for the death defiance first loo
Lol
Oops
Sorry
His ripple bombs are reeeaaaallly annoying
I made a mistake taking the vampire attack
swift delta
Any good fist builds? Demeter
grave halo
Any good fist builds? Demeter
merciful end
tall saffron
I used the one where it heals with special, dio for attack, freeze for dash and special thats the only win I've gotten lol
gusty rapids
you need athena special to unlock the duo, so the build generally goes ares attack, athena special, and athena dash
strange lark
for me on demeter fists should you put athena on your special or attack?
Athena attack and artemis special, then go for deadly reversal
grave halo
i thought merciful end was the play
strange lark
what is the best mirror of night build?
Most of the purple mirror upgrades are better than the yellow ones in most situations
grave halo
deadly reversal seems good too but having doom prox over crits seem better to me
strange lark
i thought merciful end was the play
Well if you want to go for a deadly reversal build you can, but I prefer ME
small fable
What are the best casts for a cast focused Achilles aspect build?
grave halo
phalanx and electric shot
strange lark
Nah dem and ares
grave halo
strange lark
Those are better with poseidon sword since you can take out the casts
grave halo
i don’t see any use with dem or ares cast
150 percent dmg buff goes really well with athena zeus
grave halo
demeter and ares casts are good for builds designed specifically around them
wait
nvm he said cast focused builds
for normal builds you’d want flurry jab + artemis attack then a supplementary athena/zeus cast
for builds revolving around casts and casts only demeter and ares are good options
i still heavily recommend athena’s though
grave halo
lightning phalanx is extremely good and athena’s has the highest base damage besides aphrodite
strange lark
Bruh
grave halo
also has a really good burst radius
strange lark
Athena has the highest base damage except when it doesnt
grave halo
wdym
strange lark
I just think it's weird that you said that athena cast has the highest base damage in the game for casts and then proceeded to say that aphro cast has higher damage
grave halo
aphro cast has really short range and is one of the worst casts imo
strange lark
Nah
grave halo
like it just has too much of a small radius
strange lark
Blown kiss is a thing
grave halo
with hera and beowulf it’s extremely good
phalanx shot has base damage that can compete with crush shot and has better range while having the ability to deflect
strange lark
Deflect is kinda useless
lime jolt
Crush shot really only works for me on hera or beowulf
Phalanx shot is probably one of the best casts in the game for other aspects imo
magic rivet
Regular Crush shot is also fun
dusky locust
man, I lost count how many times I try to get winter harvest but it's just so damn hard. You need at least 4 meetings and even then it won't be guaranteed.
strange lark
arctic blast, ravenous will, and killing freeze are needed to get that boon, also you only need 2 of those
After that it's just rng
It's one of the hardest boons to get
proven osprey
artic blast is garbage so if you have a choice pick the others
dusky locust
Keep rerolling and still didn't get them
In order to get 2 of those, you need at least her boon on atk/special/dash
or aid
If I just use demeter's horn for the whole run, I don't think it affects how many times I meet her.
I even avoided the other deities.
Ah screw it.
boreal prism
it doesn't affect the chances to see her more than once but it does affect the quality of her boons
dusky locust
rarity isn't that important in this case. Need to see her minimum 4 times.
boreal prism
if you don't have all your core slots filled, most of the time you're going to get a boon option that gives you a core slot boon
I think legendary chances are boosted by god keepsakes
boreal prism
also, if you have 4 gods in your god pool, you will stop seeing new gods, which should increase your chances to see demeter to 1/4 per boon room
dusky locust
ah, can't share image
I got zeus cast and demeter's special (now at styx)
lol
Everything else is just hammer, 2 hermes, lots of centaur hearts
boreal prism
basically, you dont want to avoid gods, but you do want to avoid demeter duo requirements
dusky locust
Hm. If I meet too many of them, it might give me them later
boreal prism
yes but if you don't, then it might give you EVERY god later
dusky locust
In this run, it just gave me plenty of non-boons unfortunately
boreal prism
welp, that's the way it goes i guess
before you have 4 gods: odds of getting your favorite god is 1/8
after you have 4 gods: odds of getting your favorite god is 1/4
as far as i understand
dusky locust
lol lvl 9 frost flourish (legendary rarity) and lvl 2 electric cast (legendary rarity). Just using those to fight Hades.
boreal prism
niiice
dusky locust
Not sure I'll make it after this. Only got one death defiance left and I am using the Rama bow.
boreal prism
rough place to be...
dusky locust
welp dead
dusky locust
Probably not. I don't remember the effect. But the whole run was just to get winter harvest to complete the fate list.
boreal prism
wait a minute... someone on the reddit said that winter harvest is basically equivalent to increasing all your damage by +11.1%
that would make it worse than a rare "urge to kill"
but certainly more flashy
small fable
Is Aspect of Arthur the only sword that doesn't rely on dash attacks for good damage? Don't get me wrong I love the dash attack approach but it can get repetitive and I don't like the standard 3 hit combo that the other swords have so I was wondering about the damage with Arthur without a dash striking heavy approach
proven osprey
totally yeah
You can rely on dash strikes and it will work
But there's a cool combo : attack (or dash strike) > attack > dash > dash > attack
You'll keep the combo buffering while dashing to reposition
so you can unleash deadly swings while remaining mobile
magic rivet
wait a minute... someone on the reddit said that winter harvest is basically equ...
It'd be global damage, which can change things
boreal prism
i guess winter harvest works with dash and companion damage, while utk does not
balmy star
for heart rend chiron
do you go aphro attack first
or art special
or does it not matter
slim lynx
if you're really going for heart rend then arty special
if you're willing to go with dio special though then start with aphro attack and just pick whichever one comes first
valid prism
Arty special probably supports your early better than aphro atk on Chiron
Especially if you have DC2 on your pact
Or JS/CP
royal wraith
anyone remember the name of the boon/upgrade that grants you +2 health per attack ? think it was from Daedalus
or maybe it was from Chaos
can't recall
limber whale
I think it was Daedalus
but I think it was something like "when you slay an enemy with Special, you heal 2% HP"
maybe I'm getting it confused I dunno
royal wraith
Cursed Slash, for the sword
yeap that's it
I'm thinking what if I tried that with the fists
0 to 100 hp in no time lmao
wait you cant
magic rivet
That's what Flurry slash is for
royal wraith
are those just for the sword ?
magic rivet
Yes
royal wraith
maybe hermes fast attack plus the cursed slash idk
valid prism
Looks like a lot of efforts to make it work
I'm not even sure cursed slash is that good enough to carry a run, you still can die
royal wraith
I'm not even sure cursed slash is that good enough to carry a run, you still can...
I just tried it with the sword ofc. I think it's really great. I was filling up my hp like mad
ofc the fact that theseus and the bull deal 18+ damage in one tap is another story
valid prism
The saddest thing is that cursed slash doesn't work on dash strike
valid prism
So the hammer becomes pointless on higher difficulties
royal wraith
weird how you can still deflect with the dash strike if you have the deflect on attack boon. in that case the dash strike is treated like the attack
but not with the cursed slash
royal wraith
weird how you can still deflect with the dash strike if you have the deflect on ...
I could be wrong here tho
boreal prism
There's a healing hammer on fists
Whenever you kill with special get health
It's not the same exactly
boreal prism
On kill instead of on hit
valid prism
The hammer sucks as well 👀 💦
royal wraith
the healing hammer on fists wouldn't be any good against bosses tho
whereas cursed slash ....
I mean theseus boss
becuase they don't throw out smaller enemies
valid prism
Even against normal rooms it's a mess to care for last hitting that way, and one hit from any foe makes the attempt not worth it
boreal prism
You can build towards it and make it fine, for low heat
royal wraith
idk what to do about the fact that pretty much everyone's armored in elysium
should get the 300%+ attack
whatever it was
valid prism
You can build enough damages with boons or there are specific hammers to take down armor faster
boreal prism
Elysium enemies take more hits to kill, that's the point of the biome. You need a good dps source by then to get through smoothly.
Armor specific boons and hammers seem a bit gimmicky to me but if they save a run I can't complain too much
royal wraith
okay I'm still new-ish idk what biome and dps are
valid prism
Biome is the other name for floor I'd say
Tartarus, Asphodele, Elysium etc.
Dps = damage per second
royal wraith
ah thanks
royal wraith
how does everyone feel about Quick Recovery - quickly dash to recover hp after taking damage ?
seems kinda op
magic rivet
I've honestly never noticed any hp recovery off of Quick Recovery
supple flicker
is dionysus atk and aphrodite dash viable on the demeter aspect for the fists?
jovial fulcrum
Sure.
At Mid-to-low heat any can be viable
if you get LT early, you could even shoot for Arty special and Splitting headache
slim lynx
also curse of vengeance for curse of nausea
i'd go for one or the other
but both is very good assuming you can actually get it lol
curse of nausea is probs better though
jovial fulcrum
normally I'd say curse of nausea, but splitting headache seems like it synergizes better with the aspect
supple flicker
i see
thanks!
cunning urchin
is dionysus atk and aphrodite dash viable on the demeter aspect for the fists?
You'd get more value out of Heartbreak Flourish rather than Passion Dash, but it can work, certainly.
supple flicker
oh right lol
i keep forgetting that using special doesnt reset your giga cutter build up
simple phoenix
help, charged shot or explosive return with chaos shield??? 😩 I want them boooOOOoooth
i WANNA go for a dionysus aphrodite combo (my boon plans usually go awry tho)
limber whale
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I'd go with explosive return but an argument can be made for Charged Shot
the Shield, to me, is kind of a frantic Weapon
but if you play more strategically, Charged Shot is the way to go
simple phoenix
yeah the word frantic would probably be more likely to describe my play style, rather than strategic l o l
okay THANKS!
sweet hornet
once I get merciful end, I'm free to drop athena special right?
strange lark
depends on your build
turbid needle
You got Divine Dash?
strange lark
if you rely on your dash to defuse the doom then yeah
sweet hornet
fists, yes I have dash
turbid needle
Yes.
sweet hornet
thank you!
does rolling knuckle (dash-strike added to attack sequence) help with triggering ME?
turbid needle
No.
sweet hornet
and does the +60% dash-strike damage applies to the doom portion?
turbid needle
No, +60% to the Dash-Strike, itself.
sweet hornet
ok thanks
does colossus knuckle makes you sturdy while dash-striking, or only when doing the attack combo?
strange lark
extra damage from chaos boons or hammers only applies to boons with a %
turbid needle
I'm not 100% sure.
strange lark
does colossus knuckle makes you sturdy while dash-striking, or only when doing t...
i think it does
sweet hornet
so between rolling and colossus and quake cutter, colossus is probably the best pick
turbid needle
I remember an old build where a Chaos Shot boon boosted Scintillating Feast lightning.
strange lark
I remember an old build where a Chaos Shot boon boosted Scintillating Feast ligh...
wait what
strange lark
so between rolling and colossus and quake cutter, colossus is probably the best ...
rolling
turbid needle
I'd say Colossus.
If you're Merciful End you're not looking for Dash-Strike damage, getting Sturdy during your damage cycles is more important.
sweet hornet
that's my thinking too
strange lark
oh wait wrong hammer
sweet hornet
ok colossus it is
strange lark
i thought rolling made dash strikes deal more damage to armor
turbid needle
Breaching Cross.
sweet hornet
oh that's what I got as first hammer
cunning urchin
help, charged shot or explosive return with chaos shield??? 😩 I want them booo...
Charged Shot always.
cunning urchin
so between rolling and colossus and quake cutter, colossus is probably the best ...
Rolling Knuckle adds quite a bit of damage to your Dash-Strikes, and you'll be dash-striking a lot. It's a good hammer.
opal lodge
charged shot is an insta pick on any shield over any other hammer
cunning urchin
Indeed.
royal wraith
There's no system in the game that autosaves your builds upon death, is there ?
strange lark
There's no system in the game that autosaves your builds upon death, is there ?
Everytime you walk into another room it auto saves
lime jolt
But if you get hit, you have to clear the chamber
royal wraith
I mean as in, is it possible to view your previous builds ?
royal wraith
I had a pretty decent build going until theseus and the bull just obliterated me
thanks a ton
lime jolt
Np
royal wraith
do people even use Call that much ? seems too chaotic and all over the place kinda thing to even plan where to use it. I'm also probably just not used to it.
strange lark
do people even use Call that much ? seems too chaotic and all over the place kin...
Calls are great
I use them whenever I can
royal wraith
I mean you basically deal some damage (maybe more than some) and are invulnerable for a couple seconds, unless there's more.
proven osprey
Calls are good yeah. Any of them provide an iframe, that's good. Some aspects will build the god gauge more efficiently so on certain builds you don't really care about getting one
limber whale
do people even use Call that much ? seems too chaotic and all over the place kin...
I only use Greater Calls tbh
royal wraith
what's iframe ? sorry for the noob question
strange lark
what's iframe ? sorry for the noob question
It means you can't take damage
limber whale
Regular Calls only sometimes
strange lark
Dashes have iframes
limber whale
what's iframe ? sorry for the noob question
there are no bad questions in the pursuit of knowledge
royal wraith
It means you can't take damage
impervious, right ?
royal wraith
Dashes have iframes
oh yea I get it now
proven osprey
Invulnerability frame, like dashes. Calls grant you one upon activation. It's not the impervious state because nothing is displayed on screen
royal wraith
there are no bad questions in the pursuit of knowledge
my man
royal wraith
yea may as well
limber whale
But you can time your call to avoid damage
only sometimes though
proven osprey
It's a pretty advanced move tho
limber whale
only some of the Calls give Impervious
proven osprey
I'm not talking about impervious
strange lark
only some of the Calls give Impervious
All calls have iframes some make you impervious
proven osprey
It's pretty useful, especially if you grind heat and you're taking big hits
strange lark
~~Aphro's the worst fight me~~
Bruh
proven osprey
I mean you basically deal some damage (maybe more than some) and are invulnerabl...
Zeus, Dionysus and Poseidon are great for dps, the latter bringing safety too. Can't go wrong with these
Aphro's call is really nice. It does not rely on rarity nor poms. The charm is good to avoid damage from a boss and pretty good room clear when used on a good enemy (bombers, brightsword, even louts in Tartarus...). The greater call is a great finisher. The call is overall a bit tricky to use but really good
And it's Lady Aphrodite
That counts too
proven osprey
It's not poseidon call yeah, where you can't go wrong
limber whale
on a brighter note, best call?
limber whale
I don't think it lasts long enough but I get where you're coming from
strange lark
I use it for damage
limber whale
I like Ares/Artemis
strange lark
100% damage is awesome
proven osprey
Probably Zeus because of the scaling potential if we're talking about raw power
limber whale
and Demeter's is great for open areas like the Hades fight
royal wraith
Other than that probably zeus or aphro
I once tried the zues call. 10/10 savagery
limber whale
go in the middle, drop it, BOOM, done, you win
strange lark
Yeah ares isn't that good
limber whale
eh, oh well
Zeus call kinda feels like a bit too much
I think it's because of the fact that I'm way too concerned about trying to make it hit people and I get hit as a result, I dunno maybe I need to practice more
proven osprey
Yes it's all about practice
Also, you don't want to use your greater call with Zeus/dio
You'd waste dps
cunning urchin
Hmm? Zeus' Aid Greater Call isn't exactly a DPS loss.
Dionysus' Aid is. You're getting more Hangover ticks if you use Lesser Calls.
proven osprey
It's worse in Dionysus whereas Zeus is still great damage
But if you struggle building gold gauge/waste a call because you're phasing a boss, it's a bit sad
cunning urchin
Zeus' Aid Greater Call does more hits than 4 Lesser Calls.
I still almost always use it for Lesser Calls, though.
proven osprey
Yeah the greater call rocks ofc
cunning urchin
Anyway, don't activate your Call and then try to find ways to make it hit. Rather, try to identify situations in your play where your Call will hit for sure anyway, and then activate your Call in those moments.
limber whale
so like, when the area around you is dense with enemies?
that's a good time to use the call?
cunning urchin
Yeah, for example. Or when you're up close or a boss is going for a close attack anyway.
proven osprey
Yeah definitely
limber whale
man I'm gonna have to play Hades more
cunning urchin
Smoldering Air is amazing for learning to use your Calls more effectively and efficiently.
limber whale
what's Smoldering Air again?
strange lark
With sa I just use my call whenever it is full because I know it's gonna come back
limber whale
it charges up the gauge really fast?
cunning urchin
It's one of the best boons in the game, easily.
strange lark
It's a really good boon
limber whale
it's probably the "capped at 25%" thing that puts me off
cunning urchin
I mash my Call button way too hard to get Greater Calls most of the time lol.
proven osprey
Well yeah you won't get Zagreus shouting
cunning urchin
Unless it's Artemis' Aid or sometimes Aphrodite's Aid.
dusky locust
Several runs later, still can't get winter harvest. Start with demeter's artifact, fail. Use demeter's artifact 2nd, still fail. Man, this rng
simple trail
Smoldering air + zeus aid is fun
uncut lintel
And it's Lady Aphrodite
Damn right it's LADY
Someone mind filling me in what Smoldering Air is and how to get it?
uncut lintel
oh... and how would I go about getting this duo to occur?
swift delta
Someone mind filling me in what Smoldering Air is and how to get it?
Jump up. And look good.
uncut lintel
Like 25% of the gauge or fill rate?
limber whale
25% of the gauge
uncut lintel
just more lesser calls then?
limber whale
I assume? I don't use it enough
dusky locust
If you want to know how to get a boon, press c, check the deity, then press B for boon list and the requirements
uncut lintel
If you want to know how to get a boon, press c, check the deity, then press B fo...
I forgot all about that thanks!
limber whale
it's good for stuff that doesn't really require Greaters to be... well... Great
basically just not Artemis, pretty much
uncut lintel
Is it a boon that pairs with whatever call you're using?
limber whale
yep
uncut lintel
sheeeesh, I need to play Hades more. I keep shying away from it because Hades is a punkass and I can't beat him.
uncut lintel
I can get his first phase down then he just obliterates me
limber whale
what Weapon/Aspect do you use?
uncut lintel
lemme launch the game, one sec
dusky locust
Just takes practice. I know how hard it is to fight him. Back then, even without the pact, I can only beat him with the shield.
limber whale
Shield is OP use the Shield
dusky locust
Now, even Hades ask if he can beat me this round or not.
uncut lintel
Aspect of Chiron and Aspect of Nemesis currently are my choices.
limber whale
hmmmmmm
uncut lintel
Now, even Hades ask if he can beat me this round or not.
Damn dude, any chance I could watch a stream of that?
uncut lintel
@fast shard will do! Wasn't aware
dusky locust
Damn dude, any chance I could watch a stream of that?
With my crappy internet? Haha.
The dialogue is random though
uncut lintel
Anyway, I like Aegis but tend to get overly "aggressive" and forget to block.
dusky locust
So, it's not like I can force him to say it again.
limber whale
Anyway, I like Aegis but tend to get overly "aggressive" and forget to block.
Adrenaline should kick in at lower health
remember to take it slow, be patient
uncut lintel
Adrenaline?
I have two Titan blood currently, would you recommend the Aspect of Zeus, Chaos or Zagreus?
hoary sorrel
Is it weird that I am bad with every weapon in this game except the sword?
cunning urchin
oh... and how would I go about getting this duo to occur?
Any core boon from each + any Call.
uncut lintel
Aaaaand I failed. Didn't even get to half HP on the first phase. sigh I only had one DD left and went in half HP. I can't seem to ever evade his circular slash.
Can we post pictures here? I'd like to show my run/build
boreal prism
you can post links to images
the thing with the circular swing is that he moves towards you to do it
that means the shortest path to get out of the way is often by dashing through him
also if you time your dash properly you can avoid damage, even if you're in the middle of an attack
dusky locust
Holy crap
uncut lintel
I struggle with my timing the IF from my dodges and I will more than likely try dashing towards as opposed to away
dusky locust
WInter's Harvest is underrated
boreal prism
winter's harvest is really "cool" 😎
dusky locust
I just watched Theseus and Minatour get executed at 10% hp with really cool animation
After several runs, I finally got it and man, watching them die like that was worth it.
simple phoenix
winter's harvest is really "cool" 😎
nice
dusky locust
Can't wait to try it with Hades. Looked like an ice scythe striking them and executing them
Wonder if Hades fall at 10% hp too.
I thought it only worked on minions
boreal prism
nah it definitely works on bosses, or else it would be kinda worthless
i guess it means all enemies have 10% less health
simple phoenix
favorite zeus aspect shield builds??