i should watch someone speedrun using it lol
#h1-builds-and-combat
slim lynx
magic rivet
You can always watch the 64 heat run
valid prism
You need to know exactly what you do with the special. You can have some strats by throwing/calling back the shield quickly, you can let it turn to damage foes, you can change your position in a way you deal damages when you call it back
strange lark
the good part of zeus shield is that you can attack while the special is out, take advantage of that
valid prism
Baj has his style to use Zeus but I'm tempted to say that the same aspect in someone else's hands might produce something really different
I know that there are at least 4 different runners who cleared 50 heat+ with Zeus: Baj, Ledger, Hadesprof and Bright
Baj and Hadesprof are easy to find on the 50 heat leaderboard (SRC), else YT
For Ledger and Bright, YT or the Gsheet high heat leaderboard I think
lime jolt
I would like to say that I've almost cleared
valid prism
👀
thorn walrus
Anyone have any tips for Lucifer? I'm big fan of Hestia and nothing about their respective gameplay styles seems to overlap.
small fable
Recommendations for Twin fists builds? Idk whether to go for the Demeter aspect or the Talos aspect
valid dagger
Recommendations for Twin fists builds? Idk whether to go for the Demeter aspect ...
Demeter is overall the stronger Aspect here is an in depth guide for it: #h1-builds-and-combat message
small fable
Demeter is overall the stronger Aspect here is an in depth guide for it: https:/...
thanks
small fable
just wondering but what are the optimal combos when running Achilles aspect? does it just depend on your boons? I just recently saw the top speedrun with Achilles for any heat and can barely tell the combos aside from the dash strikes lol
strange lark
just wondering but what are the optimal combos when running Achilles aspect? doe...
my go to for achilles spear is usually zeus attack and flurry jab, and also since achilles spear gives a 150% damage increase artemis or aphro are good on achilles too
and also can you send me the link to the speedrun you watched?
small fable
and also can you send me the link to the speedrun you watched?
sure
dms or is sending it here fine? @strange lark
strange lark
they are using flurry jab and a bunch of dashes
so basically they just hold down attack and spam dash
deals a ton of damage
small fable
gotcha
strange lark
also the damage from hades call applies to the dash and the lightning damage
so most of the damage is coming from zeus attack, dash and jolted
small fable
got it, thanks for the help
strange lark
np
finite iris
Anyone have any tips for Lucifer? I'm big fan of Hestia and nothing about their...
give zeus special a shot, bombs activate themselves when enemies get close. The hammer that lets you shoot your special 3 times fast is also really good.
opal lodge
arty special or aphro special is usually ideal
zeus special doesnt scale well late game
lime jolt
Lucy and hestia gameplay does not overlap
slim lynx
luci and hestia absolutely do not have overlapping playstyles in any way
static karma
how good is support fire, exactly?
boreal prism
I can't imagine it carrying a run
cunning urchin
Support Fire DPS is comparable to Lightning Strike on Malphon.
slim lynx
have you tried slapping it on eris
balmy portal
aspect of chiron + relentless volley (Bonus shots from special) + battle rage = lots of damage vs Hades when he drops a skull right in range to die to a cast
jovial fulcrum
they also do a good job when you have Mark
sweet hornet
talos fists w/ athena attack, got offered artemis attack swap, is there a reason to take? other choices are special or dash
sweet hornet
ok, thanks - is the +20% chance to crit from deadly reversal global?
sweet hornet
thanks
honest wing
but deadly flourish is great on dem fists
especially with athena attack and deadly reversal
even better if you get passion dash and heart rend
sweet hornet
aphro keepsake in asphodal it is then
honest wing
yeeeee
celest lantern
how does attack speed bonus works? Is it <time between attacks> / ( 1 + <speed bonus> ) (so, for example, if you attack every 1 second with a weapon, a speed bonus of +50% means you'll attack every 0.66 seconds, so 1.5x as often, +100% means 2x speed, and +500% means 6x speed), or is it <time between attacks> * ( 1 - <speed bonus> ) (so, for example, if you attack every 1 second with a weapon, a speed bonus of 50% means you'll attack every 0.5 seconds, so 2x as often, 90% means 10x speed, and 99% means 100x speed) ?
I ask that because hermes' best speed bonus, 40%, seems pretty close to making you attack 2x as often...
(movement speed is definitely not the same)
zinc bison
i've settled into a decent strategy of using the shield w/ blitz disc, using athena boon for my attack, ares for blitz disc, and then attempting to get the athena/ares duo boon, but it feels like theres something i could be doing to streamline this strategy and i can't figure out what
slim lynx
impending doom?
slim lynx
impending doom is practically essential to ME builds
people usually say it's fine but ME has pitiful dps without impending
cunning urchin
Pitiful? Hardly.
zinc bison
i looked it up and the duo boon i go for is merciful end and the regular boons i go for is divine strike and curse of pain i think
idk what impending doom is
limber whale
I think it's the status effect that comes with curse of pain
zinc bison
oooh impending doom i remember now its the one that increases damage but increases time before impact
i usually grab that if i can
limber whale
yeah that one's pretty good
zinc bison
as for my keepsakes i've been doing athena, then ares, then the acorn for the 3rd and 4th boss
limber whale
huh
I just go with Overflowing Cup then Old Spiked Collar
zinc bison
i'm mostly trying to figure out if i can streamline this strategy so i can beat the game fast enough to do a max deadline run. i'm almost there, my most recent run was a little under 21 mins
limber whale
what time do you have to get to beat the max deadline run
zinc bison
5 mins per underworld region, so under 20 mins total
zinc bison
fast, but definitely doable if i try hard enough and maybe improve my strategy a bit
cunning urchin
Watching this run might help if you want to do Merciful End on Zeus Aspect. https://youtu.be/vk-zG_2rqMI
slim lynx
that looks like it's gonna teach him to do everything except merciful end on zeus
cunning urchin
But it's an ME run lol.
zinc bison
idk if i want to watch that since i'm not done with the story yet
cunning urchin
how does attack speed bonus works? Is it `<time between attacks> / ( 1 + <speed ...
Very sure e.g. +40% Attack speed simply speeds up the animation by a factor of 1.4, so it would be the former. That is, +40% means you attack 1.4x as often.
Oh alright.
zinc bison
idk how many more runs i have to do to finish the story, i just gained access to hades' bedchambers and saw the photo by his bedside
cunning urchin
In any case, you seem to understand the basic idea: Divine Strike, Curse of Pain, Merciful End.
cunning urchin
That's for them to decide lol.
limber whale
would you like to know?
zinc bison
ehh i think i'd rather find out myself. it feels like i'm close tho
cunning urchin
Spoilers are technically allowed in this channel, but don't go out of your way to spoil things.
limber whale
ehh i think i'd rather find out myself. it feels like i'm close tho
alright
good luck with future runs!
zinc bison
maybe i should stop trying to speedrun until i'm done with the story, and just find other ways to fill the heat meter
limber whale
that is a good idea
you're more likely to make it out if you take a slow and even pace
opal lodge
this channel may not be the best to be in if you want to avoid spoilers
zinc bison
i know
limber whale
fair
zinc bison
i just wanted to talk strategy
limber whale
but
we prob shouldn't spoil anyway
cunning urchin
I can tell you that beating TD3 is less about builds and more about solid mechanics. Also you can do things like pause the game when you choose an exit or look at shop to pause the timer.
limber whale
i just wanted to talk strategy
pro tip, get Hangover and then everything dies
opal lodge
what nyaanyaa said
zinc bison
thats a joke right? hangover seems useless
opal lodge
the basics are things like going to shop and whatnot
hangover is quite strong
but its very aspect/pact dependent
slim lynx
hangover can actually get pretty powerful, yeah
limber whale
thats a joke right? hangover seems useless
gasp
opal lodge
dio call is basically one of the all around strongest calls
limber whale
how dare you insult my precious Hangover
limber whale
you're not invited to my birthday party
opal lodge
if you have it on more than one core boon they overwrite each other
slim lynx
dio call has the highest dps among all the calls i believe but zeus can do tons more damage with t2 boons
unique shale
Hangover special on Chiron is pog
opal lodge
dio aid + bad influence is possibly more damage than any other call in the game sans hades call'
limber whale
wait wait wait woah woah woah
I have not ever thought this hard about the Calls in Hades and I certainly am not going to start now
opal lodge
?
slim lynx
dio aid + bad influence can totally do well in encounters
opal lodge
didnt think i'd have to say calls are good
also dio scales well with duos
curse of nausea and low tolerance are both pretty nice
limber whale
I dunno
I guess I was trying to joke about how you guys are overanalyzing
but now that I say it out loud that sounds kinda mean
zinc bison
yeah, i think i'll just stick with my blitz disc ME strat, trying to learn a hangover strat sounds like it would give me one
limber whale
so I guess just disregard what I said
opal lodge
LOL chanocraft
slim lynx
getting a really good hangover build going is a real high-roll
limber whale
I usually just put Hangover on something and let the Fates decide what I do next
opal lodge
unironically baj really likes dio special and attack on zeus (not at the same time) but ME is more straightforward
has more normal win conditions
limber whale
I'm really lax when it comes to EAs and that's probably why my Heat Record is 12
cunning urchin
The strat for Zeus Aspect with Hangover is just simply get Drunken Flourish and put poms on it. That's all there is to it, really.
You can get Duo Boons that buff Hangover, but they're not necessary for good damage.
limber whale
I actually prefer to use the Aspect of Chaos with Drunken Flourish
Aspect of Zeus gives me seperation anxiety or something like that, I dunno
cunning urchin
And some % damage on Attack, but Curse of Agony can work, too.
slim lynx
i mean if you're looking to do the bare minimum then just hunt for poms, but aphro and ares duos still add a nice amount of dps
splitting headache from arty is nice but don't try to prioritize getting it
cunning urchin
Splitting Headache is amazing with Hunter's Mark and otherwise just kind of okay.
slim lynx
splitting headache + low tolerance is a great synergy but it's just overkill at that point
limber whale
Splitting Headache is amazing with Hunter's Mark and otherwise just kind of okay...
Hunters Mark is the one that marks an enemy whenever you do Crit damage, right?
cunning urchin
Right.
limber whale
coolio
limber whale
splitting headache + low tolerance is a great synergy but it's just overkill at ...
yeah I've done that before where I have Drunken Flourish and Passion Dash
👌
balmy ferry
i'd love to get a run with dio ares aphro and artemis on chiron. keep trying but the fates never let everything align.
would love to see that hangover damage
honest wing
i'd love to get a run with dio ares aphro and artemis on chiron. keep trying but...
ikr
cunning urchin
Be the force you want to see in the world.—Obi-Wan Kenobi
proven osprey
It's from Gandalf
proven osprey
Oh ok
cunning urchin
Same franchise, different movie.
balmy ferry
hangover damage can't crit with pressure points?
proven osprey
It can crit
solid sable
jesus
holy shid
point blank rama slaps
slaps so hard
slapped elysium bossfight in 10 seconds
and i get credits :D
slim lynx
it's probably possible to get that many resources after a ton of failed escapes by trading with the broker
valid dagger
True
solid sable
@slim lynx alot of grinding
like
a lot
steam says 50 hours playrd
but its more like 360
i intentionally aimed for max aspect before getting credits cause yes
valid dagger
50 heat when
honest wing
Be the force you want to see in the world.—Obi-Wan Kenobi
I'm dying
honest wing
Gandalf said, "You're a wizard, Frodo."
lmaooo
cunning urchin
small fable
I'm really liking the Zeus attack + jolted + poseidon dash + flurry jab build for Aspect of Achilles. Are there similar builds for flurry jab with other boons?
I like Cast builds for Achilles too but an attack focused builds feels faster and it is a nice chnage of pace
turbid needle
I usually just slap artemis on attack and search for heart rend big value
cunning urchin
I'm really liking the Zeus attack + jolted + poseidon dash + flurry jab build fo...
Speedrun meta shifted from Lightning Strike start + Flurry Jab and picking up Tidal Dash later on to Tidal Dash start + Flurry Jab and picking up Deadly Strike later on.
slim lynx
would heartbreak flourish be a good take for achilles deadly strike for heart rend?
opaque hare
when is good to wear myrmidon bracer
cunning urchin
i wonder how a 7-minute igt run can take almost twice as long in real time
aside from boon selections and npc rooms
@slim lynx typically RTA is like 2.5x IGT at the low end of IGT and 2x IGT when you get to 12m IGT and higher. There's a lot of room for encounter optimization and stuff, but there's a limit to how quickly you can skip conversations, exit rooms, etc., that you can reach much more easily.
As for how somebody would get a 28m RTA with a 7m IGT, they probably went afk or something lol.
vagrant maple
most of the really long rtas on the boards are streamers who take a long time to break down why they are making a particular decision (or just afk as you say lol)
small fable
Speedrun meta shifted from Lightning Strike start + Flurry Jab and picking up Ti...
I meant more like different god boons I could use but thanks anyways lol
cunning urchin
Well, it's a similar Flurry Jab build with a different Attack boon.
glossy crag
Hey i've beaten hadés with the spear the sword and the fist but i've mostly used those three weapons ans barely used the others
I want to have a complete run with all 6 weapons but i'm lost i don't know how to make a proper build with them
I know poseidon can be good with the bow but apart from that...
Do you have any suggestions tips ?
I'm lost with those 3
mild raft
Well I wouldn't particularly recommend poseidon for bow
Depending on what aspect you want to go for you're likely going to use either Artemis on attack or Special and go for Heart Rend with Aphrodite on dash or attack
So like for Chiron you want Aphrodite attack Artemis special and get Heart Rend
limber whale
I'd recommend Aspect of Chaos with Drunken Flourish and then just do whatever from there
mild raft
Zeus aspect is nuts with Zeus special as well
limber whale
there was a convo up top detailing which gods do best with Dio if you want more info
valid dagger
Poseidon can be worth on Dash for like Chiron but thats about it, because Chiron lacks aoe, on Zag and Hidden bow it can ruin some synergies like Point blank triple shot
limber whale
Zeus aspect is nuts with Zeus special as well
yeah that sounds OP
mild raft
The build is called zeus^2 and it's really strong
Zeus shield can be difficult to master but it's pretty strong even without optimal play
limber whale
I might have to try using the Zeus Aspect more often now
glossy crag
That's good i don't play zeus a lot i' way more into artemis build
Imma try your zeus²
limber whale
wait how do you do that
mild raft
Also for when you use the rail, your best bet is either using Eris aspect with Zeus attack, Artemis Special, and Poseidon Dash or using Hestia aspect with Artemis Attack
glossy crag
Zeus aspect is nuts with Zeus special as well
thx for the tips just beat hadés with the shield Zeus oriented on 1st attempt
mild raft
Gamer
glossy crag
stonks
btw just unlocked guan yu spears do u know how to optimize i'm clueless (again)
valid dagger
btw just unlocked guan yu spears do u know how to optimize i'm clueless (again)
Get Charged Skewer with a fat Special, Aphro or Artemis and you're gaming
glossy crag
so imma start gaming now
limber whale
on a scale of 1-10, how good is Hades' Aid?
I'm working on maxing out all of my Keepsakes, want to know if I should max out the Sigil early
strange lark
10
limber whale
guess I'm gonna use that one next run, then
strange lark
nah its trash
winter zenith
Huh apparently hades’s spear circle laser thing is part of the hitbox he started taking damage from my Zeus’s (which was not recalling) when he spearlaserd
cunning urchin
btw just unlocked guan yu spears do u know how to optimize i'm clueless (again)
You're either doing Special > Dash-Strike x2 or Cast > Dash-Strike x2 with Guan Yu. Cast for single-target, Special when you can hit multiple enemies with it (or if you have Charged Skewer).
That's if you want to optimize.
small fable
Well, it's a similar Flurry Jab build with a different Attack boon. <:dusa:52224...
yeah I'm dumb I read that again just now and idk why I thought you were talking about a different hammer
my bad, and thanks for the suggestion
glossy crag
Thx
warm token
hey cuy is so so dificult to me to use the bow in hedes because is the only one y cant use quickly attack with near enemies
i really dont like the bow
but u cant say me how to win with it
strange lark
If you dash attack the bow charges faster
warm token
is that i like more the sword
of ohter weapons that u can punch or atack enemies near u
strange lark
It takes practice to learn to play the weapons
warm token
u know how to use al weapo but bow for me is trash
strange lark
Just play your favorite weapon, over time you will get better so you can try to play bow again
warm token
y just play for 100 hours and in any hour y dont learn to use bow
with persefone recuperate and the artur aspect in max level
with 14 escapes
and in all that time i hate bow
strange lark
I guess bow is not the weapon for you
warm token
but i need to wuin with the bow because a complete a prophecy
boreal prism
Bow certainly has a learning curve
It's scary to stand still in hades
Maybe run poseidon to keep enemies far away from you?
somber drum
If you prefer melee weapons but need to win with the bow for a prophecy, you might like the flurry shot hammer upgrade
It makes the bow play more like a melee weapon
warm token
ok thanks
small fable
just wondering but is maxed out Demeter really just that much better than Talos when it comes to damage? I see that Demeter is used far more often for most runs I've seen
cunning urchin
Yes.
strange lark
Nope, talos is better for lower damage
Dem is trash because you can get 3k specials with artemis
proven osprey
Are you ok
cunning urchin
Talos opens up some new and interesting playstyles for Malphon.
strange lark
Are you ok
No
cunning urchin
Demeter Aspect is just straight up base fists with more damage.
A lot more damage.
Zag Fists and Demeter Aspect play very similar because of that.
Talos doesn't have their DPS, really, but lets you dabble in a variety of builds that don't really work very well on the other two.
The design goal for the aspects was to offer the player interesting and unique playstyles. They said something to that effect in an AMA, anyway.
proven osprey
Players be like : All I see is one Malphon aspect, ME.
proven osprey
Yup
strange lark
I prefer dash only gilgamesh
small fable
Talos doesn't have their DPS, really, but lets you dabble in a variety of builds...
got it, thanks as always for the feedback
cunning urchin
Which I guess is fine, though. There will be always be that type of player who just wants to max DPS every time.
Sure!
There's also the type who does Tempest Flourish Talos every time because they think it's hilarious even if you tell them the DPS is poor.
And then there's the type who does 32 mirrorless Tempest Strike Guan Yu.
She's the best type of player.
cunning urchin
Oh no. Another one.
static karma
I know someone who loves tempest flourish talos with razor shoals
limber whale
next time I get Dark Thirst on Malphon I will get that
cunning urchin
What have I done.
static karma
apparently the magnetic cutter counts as movement?
strange lark
Nice
solid sable
i didnt get merciful end with dem even in styx 
game wont give me 1 ME run for my life
brittle mortar
rip
blissful ridge
I swear when looking for ME I will get every other gods boons
But then I watch the WR holder in fresh file he gets ME before getting out of Tartarus
cunning urchin
Well, it wouldn't be WR if he hadn't gotten it.
blissful ridge
Fair
cunning urchin
The game will offer you random gods until you've picked up four or more. When you have 4+, only those gods will show up anymore. So once you have boons from Lord Ares and Lady Athena, you wanna quickly get to 4 gods to increase your chances of seeing those two.
blissful ridge
Interesting, now in my whopping 30hrs game time I never knew or realized that
I always would avoid boons of gods I didn’t need but I guess that’s bad then
cunning urchin
You want to do that until you have those two in your pool, and then you want to quickly fill up your pool.
Note that Lord Hermes and Master Chaos don't count towards that.
blissful ridge
Big tip, thanks
This game is like crack to me I picked it up cuz a friend said to and I’m loving it
cunning urchin
It's great!
boreal prism
if I was going for athena legendary would it do me any good to avoid boons from other gods? assuming i used athena legendary in tartarus
or do you have the highest odds to get a certain god when your god pool has 4
lime jolt
Use a shield
Ideally beowulf
When he does the triple combo, dash to one side just in case he does the spear chuck
Double dash for his double spins
Hide in the bottom right corner when Cerberus comes
solid sable
idk how to play beowulf
slim lynx
hoarding slash is just meh across the board
a good way to learn how to play an unfamiliar aspect is to watch people that are good with it use it
and then just try to copy what they do lol
cunning urchin
if I was going for athena legendary would it do me any good to avoid boons from ...
You'll want to get 4 gods asap to improve your chances of seeing Lady Athena, but you'll want to avoid any boons from them that unlock Duo Boons with Lady Athena. Blinding Flash has a 50% chance to be added as a priority boon, so you want to get that out of the pool to increase your chances for Divine Protection.
And keep her keepsake equipped.
slim lynx
^^ definitely try not to go for any core boons from other gods at least to mitigate your chances at not getting the legendary
cunning urchin
Brilliant Riposte > Blinding Flash > Attack, Special, Cast, or Dash is your priority from Lady Athena.
slim lynx
i can't recall how many times i've been offered parting shot trying to get dds in my high heat runs 
cunning urchin
But if you already have 3/4 out of Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash filled, taking the last one out of those will help you more than taking Blinding Flash.
Refreshing Nectar and Yarns of Ariadne will give you better legendary chance, too.
And so does Favor from Master Chaos.
limber whale
I'm in a run right now and I have both Zeus and Poseidon Boons and an empty Cast slot
should I hope for Sea Storm and fill the Cast with Poseidon or get the Zeus Cast
slim lynx
have you checked the codex
limber whale
wait why
cunning urchin
I don't know what aspect you're using and what boons you have exactly, There might be better picks than Cast.
limber whale
oh right
cunning urchin
You can link screenshots from imgur or from a private discord server.
limber whale
I'm using Aspect of Guan Yu and I have
Attack: Zeus
Special: Poseidon
Cast: None
Dash: Aphro
Call: Artemis
(don't make fun of me I'm a casual)
cunning urchin
What hammers do you have?
limber whale
nvm I got Poseidon so I might as well just hope for Sea Storm now
cunning urchin
Odds for Sea Storm are admittedly bad because you've unlocked Duo Boons with 3 gods for both Lord Zeus and Poseidon.
cunning urchin
And they also both still have their t2 curse in their pool, which lowers your odds for seeing a Duo Boon in the first place.
slim lynx
is sea storm actually meaningful on guan yu anyways
cunning urchin
If you take a boon from them now, always take Duo Boon > Static Discharge/Razor Shoals > anything else to improve your odds for Sea Storm later. And avoid err... Storm Lightning, Typhoon's Fury, and Breaking Wave because they will unlock their legendaries.
slim lynx
it's +40 damage, pretty small for charged skewer
cunning urchin
Although Splitting Bolt is really good, so taking Storm Lightning might be worth it.
limber whale
If you take a boon from them now, always take Duo Boon > Static Discharge/Razor ...
actually I could use Poseidon's Legendary I need it for the Codex
still haven't filled that out yet
slim lynx
splitting bolt is the single good reason to take storm lightning tbh
cunning urchin
Oh yeah, then take Typhoon's Fury or Breaking Wave.
solid sable
apparently its good to pick em2 for faster times?
limber whale
I think it's because on EM2 the arena is more dense
it's kinda like the difference between a circle and an oval
cunning urchin
EM2 yes, EM3 no.
limber whale
oh uh
solid sable
I want to beat em4 though, no choice in the matter
limber whale
tactics for EM3: stay out of Theseus' way, prioitize the Minotaur
solid sable
does the idiot have any more invulnerability phases?
limber whale
also make sure Theseus does't commit a hit and run on you
cunning urchin
Oh you mean tactics. Divine Dash helps a lot with the fight.
limber whale
does the idiot have any *more* invulnerability phases?
I dunno I barely pay attention to him I'm too busy fighting The Bull of Minos
cunning urchin
That's like my #1 advice if you're new to EM3.
solid sable
Oh you mean tactics. Divine Dash helps a lot with the fight.
i got heroic divine dash
most useless thing ever
limber whale
gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasp
cunning urchin
They both only phase once in EM and in non-EM.
solid sable
a yi yi i forgot to gift hades ambrosia
cunning urchin
i got heroic divine dash
Gotta put some poms on it now. 
Lv.10 Heroic Divine Dash.
solid sable
Gotta put some poms on it now. <:squirtnya:472124054644457472>
its lv7
limber whale
most useless thing ever
how dare you insult my precious Divine Dash
cunning urchin
Nice!
limber whale
its lv7 <:E_FeelsKekMan:408369855985745931>
I have never gotten anything to LVL7 before
solid sable
my first em4 atttempt will be a meme run
solid sable
I have never gotten anything to LVL7 before
i got pos dash to lv24
limber whale
good luck with that
limber whale
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn
limber whale
alright welp sorry to cut this short but it's 12:05AM for me and I got school at 8:00AM I gotta head to bed
limber whale
night everyone!
valid dagger
Its arguably the best hammer for it
solid sable
ah
peak tapir
Hello, I was wondering whether there is any way or place to see the odds of various boons appearing and what affects their chances?
cunning urchin
This is how the game rolls your boon offers, in order:
(1) First boon offer on a run, fill all three slots with priority boons (Attack, Special, Cast, or Dash),
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(2) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(3) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (i.e., Static Discharge, Hunter's Mark, Razor Shoals, or Blinding Flash) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(4) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot if requirements are met,
(5) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(7) fill all remaining slots with common,
(8) fill all remaining slots with exchanges.
As for boon requirements for tier 2 boons and Duo Boon/legendary boons, you can find those on the respective pages on the Hades wiki.
For example.
valid dagger
peak tapir
Ah, I see. Thank you for your reply. Clarified it quite a bit for me.
cunning urchin
I hope so! If anything is unclear, let me know. 💕
peak tapir
Okay, cheers
solid sable
threw a mirage shot lv9 cast run 😔
dusky locust
Best Zagreus bow build for shotgunning?
solid sable
Best Zagreus bow build for shotgunning?
triple shot + point blank shot
proven osprey
I'd say Triple + Explosive shot Heart rend :)
solid sable
i tried explo triple on rama <:holyhell:828929585591877642>
(and point blank shot)
1.9k if power shot
basically spawncamping Hades
cunning urchin
Triple Flurry is amazing, too.
solid sable
too bad i never ever got flurry on rama bow
it sounds too good
is flurry shot slower on Rama? since..rama?
proven osprey
well that's quite impossible
cunning urchin
You can't get Flurry Shot on Rama.
solid sable
i misread the wiki then
@cunning urchin How much does explosive shot slow dow attack by?
50%?
cunning urchin
proven osprey
100%
solid sable
Well if you can line up the shots i guess it's viable
cunning urchin
You don't power-shot with Explosive Shot, really.
And you'd do Dash-Strikes over standing Attacks, anyway.
balmy star
thought i'd let you all know
i have duo% up
tried to reroll for heart rend what
5 times now?
not on the same boon chance, just in general
still
no heart rend
pepehands
proven osprey
No point blank shot is an attack hammer
dusky locust
then go melee with bow
cunning urchin
Concentrated Volley can be okay for shotgunning. Charged Volley is ideal.
I guess the play is either Deadly Flourish and Passion Dash for Heart Rend or Heartbreak Flourish with Unhealthy Fixation.
Tempest Flourish with Sea Storm could be fun.
Get a lot of poms on your Special.
proven osprey
Curse of pain dire misfortune poggies
cunning urchin
Call should build pretty fast, so grab one.
cunning urchin
Probably a few ways you could have improved your odds earlier that you missed, but it takes experience and some dedication to learn all the ins and outs.
Congratulations.
balmy star
thank you ðŸ˜
proven osprey
Have you tried calling the boon?
proven osprey
no that's not how you do it
You pick up your boon, let the dialogue play entirely
and then say "Heart Rend!" with confidence
balmy star
LOL
cobalt tulip
balmy star
does support fire proc with each special arrow?
cunning urchin
The right way to get the Duo Boon you want and think you really need for your build is to not get it but get WR instead that you weren't even aiming for.
proven osprey
I have no idea
balmy star
i'll answer you in about 5 secs here
proven osprey
I don't think so though
dusky locust
I wish there is a daedalus hammer keepsake.
balmy star
why?
dusky locust
So you can get it early.
proven osprey
what for? You get a hammer in tartarus/asphodel and the other one in Elysium. Even if you skip it, the game will throw it at you
slim lynx
getting a hammer in tartarus is pretty easy
balmy star
^
slim lynx
it always shows up at some point
dusky locust
Really? Sometimes I get it at the start. Sometimes, I don't think I get it.
balmy star
yeah sometimes you're lucky to start with one
dusky locust
I mean I usually would choose daedalus over any other boon.
proven osprey
Hammer start is around 20% chance
balmy star
you're always guaranteed 1 in tart/aspho and 1 in elysium like astaos said
dusky locust
Maybe shotgun zagreus coronacht ain't the right way to play 32 heat
Those fatties and clones just destroy me at close range.
slim lynx
if you're talking about special then yeah it's really not that effective
balmy star
not unless you use chiron yeah
slim lynx
shotgunning with triple shot is risky but kills things pretty easily if done right
slim lynx
higher number = good
proven osprey
Good to know
fringe jacinth
slim lynx
glossy crag
is fist zeus oriented blessing viable ?
lime jolt
Yes
mild raft
Fists like zeus on attack
glossy crag
of course
fervent elbow
What's your 3rd choice ?
lime jolt
both suck
lime jolt
that one
split relic
Oki
lime jolt
its the only one that does something
small fable
Any other recommendations for an Achilles flurry jab build? I liked having Artemis boon for attack but it didn't feel as effective as having Zeus attack.
strange lark
Any other recommendations for an Achilles flurry jab build? I liked having Artem...
Those two are probably the only good flurry jab builds for achilles spear
small fable
Damn. Oh well
small fable
Actually Cast builds are fun too so I'll try some of them out
strange lark
Dem cast build with achilles is insane
opal lodge
but yeah cast achilles v fun
turbid needle
There was one time I had Hunting Blades, Drunken Strike, Splitting Headache, and Flurry Jab.
opal lodge
achilles can make good use of literally every cast
small fable
achilles can make good use of literally every cast
Gotcha. I'll try some cast builds out
opal lodge
yeah play around with it
achilles is probably the best weapon to learn how to cast on anyway
small fable
Is Stygian soul recommended for Achilles?
turbid needle
Yes.
strange lark
Depends on what cast you are using
turbid needle
Also yes.
strange lark
But most of the time you should be using stygian
gusty rapids
eh it kinda depends on the cast really
strange lark
Is gilgamesh any good
Not really, maim is dumb because of the 50% extra damage that you take from maimed enemies, just go for merciful end and ignore maim
Plus the attack is really slow and the dash attacks deal no damage
So go for ares attack athena special and athena dash
split relic
Oh
So just do ME build
So is it like a harder hitting slow version of demter?
Also one more thing
What is a good weapon/aspect to do cast build on?
I wanna do a dio cast build but idk which to use
strange lark
So is it like a harder hitting slow version of demter?
Not really, dem can easily out damage gilga
strange lark
Is it good with talos or poseidon?
I feel like it is better on beowulf
split relic
Oki
strange lark
Poseidon isn't great on non lodging casts
Maim is basically bad talos pull
The only difference is the explosion at the end
turbid needle
its ok if you wanna do drunken strike into blackout fists
civic sail
Hi
strange lark
Hi
civic sail
Do you know any good stuff for the spear
civic sail
Ok I have both of there keepsakes
strange lark
Cool
solemn pond
Hey guys! I've beaten Hades with the shield, sword, spear and gauntlets... But I'm really no good with long range weapons like the rail gun and bow. Any tips on those? Perks to get, Daedalus mods, abilities to prioritize...
I had a decent run with the rail gun once I got the missile launcher mod and 3x rapid fire on special...
But those damn shield guys in Elysium took out my revives.
limber whale
Hey guys! I've beaten Hades with the shield, sword, spear and gauntlets... But I...
I've heard Artemis is good for Coronacht
strange lark
Zag bow with twin flurry is great
split relic
Hey guys! I've beaten Hades with the shield, sword, spear and gauntlets... But I...
Zag bow with flurry and artemis attack maybe
Dash strike a lot with it
Hera is nice with crush shot
solemn pond
Hera?
strange lark
Dash strike a lot with it
You don't need to dash strike when you have flurry shot
solemn pond
Ohhh
split relic
Very nice bow aspect
split relic
Crush shot with like poseidon dash and artemis attack gets u some good duo boons too
Mirage shot and heart rend if ur lucky
solemn pond
Okay so Hera aspect, flurry, crush shot, and go for Artemis boons...
strange lark
Yeah
split relic
Ye
strange lark
And Poseidon
solemn pond
Okay, thanks! I'll give that a try right now then!
split relic
Poseidon dash*
solemn pond
Much appreciated
Oh so if I use aspect of Hera
I can't get any cast boons then right?
Just makes the next attack stronger?
Or does the cast boon give my next attack the boons ability
So that's why you say to get crush shot?
This is gonna be quite a different run...
boreal prism
I can't get any cast boons then right?
cast boons for cast aspects are different
you can see them in the boon list, they're called [effect] flare
some of them are good and some of them are better
split relic
Ye
opal vortex
Can the super boon in styx (the one that costs 450) give you duo boons?
opal vortex
omg I am going into dad fight for my first time with 32 heat and I have 59 seconds left
i lost 2 or 3 DD against EM3 elysium fight because of Tight deadline...
54 seconds *
boreal prism
well I hope your DPS has increased since then
because a certain parent has a lot of health
opal vortex
Ugh
lost...
seriously F that
I could have easily won with more time. I didn't know it would be such a problem. I've played with TD3 many times before
boreal prism
ohh, TD3...
opal vortex
I messed up using my summon too
boreal prism
I've lost to time on TD1 :(
pseudo jetty
Do status effects from aspects count towards privilege?
magic rivet
No
pseudo jetty
Thanks
boreal prism
I wish tho
solid sable
how to hades spear?
boreal prism
Last time i hades spear I accidentally built special lmao
But I think you should play it a little like nemesis sword
It's an aspect that gives you temporary bonus damage, they're kinda all the same
slim lynx
i believe you can still get more dds from chaos lmao
limber whale
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/356843317717368833/834671018944495636/u...
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn
slim lynx
you can get all chaos boons more than once
solid sable
dang
slim lynx
it makes sense that it would apply to defiance too
cunning urchin
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/356843297790099457/834672281464209408/u...
Aspect?
boreal prism
looks like you can inflict weak pretty consistently
solid sable
both lv7
limber whale
Heart Rend seems like the most logical step but I'm a casual so take my opinion with a grain of salt
cunning urchin
Heart Rend, but mostly just for boss fights.
boreal prism
I'd say heart rend. yeah. mirage shot wont do much for you this late in the game
cunning urchin
Ideally, you'd want Deadly Strike + Passion Dash + Heart Rend on Zag Bow. But Heartbreak Flourish can work for bosses.
boreal prism
level 1 mirage shot athena? it's alright
cunning urchin
Yes.
cunning urchin
I don't have one at hand, but there's nothing preventing you from seeing three.
solid sable
what do you think of serrated point + chilling strike
cunning urchin
It's alright. Frost Strike doesn't have high DPS, but the Chill can be very good.
Damage can be good if it's Epic.
slim lynx
not your best option but totally not the worst is all i can say
it's pretty nice with killing freeze but that's just demeter builds in general
dusky locust
Any good Malphon Zagreus aspect build?
slim lynx
Any good Malphon Zagreus aspect build?
lightning strike (dps), zeus' aid + passion dash > smoldering air + second wind
also use plume
dusky locust
from start to end?
slim lynx
with good dps, plume can give you a lot of dodge %
greater evasion for that extra dodge too
dusky locust
Hm. If I use plume from start, might not get zeus though.
Guess I'll give it a try.
32 heat is really hard for me.
slim lynx
you're doing 32 heat?
yeah maybe don't take the plume, smoldering and second wind should be good. just take acorn in elysium and styx
dusky locust
I'll give 20 plume a try first.
solid sable
Any good Malphon Zagreus aspect build?
isnt demeter better
slim lynx
i mean demeter is totally stronger but he specified "zag fists"
solid sable
huh, maybe hes going for all aspects heat
dusky locust
I got demeter and bear fists but yeah, since I upped my zag to the max, might as well as try to achieve something with it.
lol, so I got hammer, then key, then erebus offers pom of power. Does it do anything?
solid sable
i just noticed
that when dying
sometimes zagreus puts a peace sign with his one hand
first rail aspect maxed
i regret nothing
solid sable
well i mean
i feel like i should've maxed Eris first
because it got me my avg time from 20 straight to 15
but eitherway i maxed out eris after that
cunning urchin
Eris is kinda broken, yeah, but it's not necessarily more fun.
magic rivet
Sea Storm
split relic
For eris, are you mainly doing dmg with special or attack?
Seems the attack doesn't do much dmg
slim lynx
you sort of use both
you throw bombs at enemies and dash into them to get the bonus, then open fire
split relic
Feels kinda off on bksses
slim lynx
repeat whenever you reload
split relic
Like a peashooter
split relic
I read that some
Hmm imma watch some gameplay
Of it
Cause I think I'm doing rooms right
I just failing bosses on tome
Time*
cunning urchin
You use Attack + Dash mostly and your Special every two reloads when it's off cooldown.
split relic
Ok
cunning urchin
You can press Reload + Special together.
Actually, I think with Eris you can use your Special on every reload? For Hestia, it's every two reloads.
I just do it intuitively at this point lol.
slim lynx
yeah for eris i think you pop a bomb every reload
hestia does it every 2 because it obviously has way less time inbetween reloads
solemn pond
Update from last night. Since the advice to get flurry, Hera aspect, Poseideon and Artemis boons for the bow... I finally made it to Cerberus!
I didn't get to Hades, but... That's two bosses I couldn't beat with the bow before!
Time to dive back in and nail this spacing...
Once I do that I'll read back up on this Rail talk so I can beat Hades with that too
Those satyrs are pretty bothersome, poison hurts
pulsar wharf
turbid needle
artemis special w heartrend is tried and true
somber drum
Also is 6:50 any good for time on letnie
Yeah that's a good time. You're ahead of the pace for the strictest tight deadline pact, which gives you 10 minutes to get to lernie.
solemn pond
YOOOOO I finally beat Hades with the bow!
Thanks for your advice last night.
Now, the Rail!
strange lark
nice
solemn pond
Which aspect do you recommend with Rail?
limber whale
do you have the Hidden Aspect
strange lark
hidden aspect can be hard
so do eris
or maybe zag aspect if you like to stay back and shoot
solemn pond
I'm very chill with this game so no hidden aspects yet
split relic
Yeah that's a good time. You're ahead of the pace for the strictest tight deadli...
Finished styx at 13:16
limber whale
🇫
split relic
Heading to dad rn
strange lark
Finished styx at 13:16
thats a good time
solemn pond
I don't like staying back, in fact. It's why the bow and rail were my last challenges
I'll try Eris!
split relic
Eris u can be super aggressive with
solemn pond
Sounds more up my alley
strange lark
I'll try Eris!
zeus attack, artemis special, cluster bomb and rocket bomb
and also poseidon dash
solemn pond
Sounds good! I'll try my best!
split relic
Bruh I didn't get any special boons this whole tum
strange lark
with that build you are gonna be up close to everybody
split relic
strange lark
make sure that you are in the radius of your special blast
strange lark
the good thing about eris is that the damage buff applies to all damage coming from zag
strange lark
yeah
strange lark
lightning damage
dash damage
special damage
call damage
cast damage
status effect damage
split relic
So making a build with dio cast would be a good idea?
strange lark
no
split relic
Cause +75%
strange lark
no
split relic
Y
strange lark
you will do 10X more damage playing it normally
strange lark
yes
split relic
Pog
strange lark
but the cast damage only applies to physical damage
somber drum
Did you get the victory message @split relic ? You should boast about it!
somber drum
Most speedrunners do low heat, I think TD1 and EM 2 are considered optimal.
split relic
Fo2 scary
strange lark
fo1 if you dont like fo2
faint snow
rail is the one weapon I have not beaten hades with yet
faint snow
my main is gilgamesh fists
solemn pond
Oh, a renovation for... an Erebus gate...? What do these do
strange lark
my main is gilgamesh fists
ew
faint snow
?
strange lark
you need to clear them without taking damage
solemn pond
Oh... no lmao
strange lark
and you need to have at least 5 heat to enter them
5 for tart
10 for asphodel
15 for elysium
solemn pond
Not without my spear. That's my main.
I can't do things flawlessly without it
Or... shield... but that's easy mode.
split relic
gilga seems fun but I get hit too much
somber drum
Or... shield... but that's easy mode.
Easy mode in Erebus is companion rib
And I am not ashamed of abusing it.
strange lark
rib, antos and shady
solemn pond
Tisiphone knocked out two of my revives already
I'm doing great with the rail
10/10
somber drum
Asphodel is where it really carries it's weight anyway
split relic
Ye
somber drum
Lava moats and cliffs and jumping enemies mean nothing to the rail.
silver steppe
so I've pretty much finished the game on godmode. i'm not a great gamer, and i have a tendency to just button-mash, but I finally got the hang of getting boons to work together and it's cool. it took me something like 60 runs to beat the final boss, and i have godmode maxed ALL THE WAY OUT but i've been having fun since then, playing with heat.
now i want to try a new save without god mode! anyone have any tips for getting gud at avoiding damage?
since my main strategy is mostly CHARGE INTO ALL THE ENEMIES AND FACESMASH UNTIL THEY'RE DEAD
boreal prism
A new save? You'll be going from 80% damage resistance with mirror to 0% damage resistance without mirror?
turbid needle
What about same save but just god mode turned off
boreal prism
Best advice I can give you is that dashing is really good
You can dash towards enemies, dash away from enemies
You can dash through attacks, that's a cool trick to pick up
silver steppe
if i turn god mode off on my current save.... and then want to turn it back on again, will i be building back up from the beginning or will it go right back to 80%?
turbid needle
You can dash through attacks, that's a cool trick to pick up
Yeah it's kinda like dark souls
boreal prism
If there's a big spin attack, and you dash at the right time, you can avoid all damage while staying in the attack radius
I dunno about God mode mechanics
turbid needle
if i turn god mode off on my current save.... and then want to turn it back on a...
I think it stays at whatever value it was on
silver steppe
If there's a big spin attack, and you dash at the right time, you can avoid all ...
oooooh okay. i didn't know there was any way to avoid spin attacks
limpid panther
oh man i love the poseidon/zeus duo combinations
with the splash damage/lightning
i have a heroic hermes boon right now so 7 dashes with jolted lightning and splash dash
im just murdering with my dash alone
strange lark
dash only is crazy
limpid panther
sea storm is so fun tho
im running a shield build right now with all zeus and posiedon
its so wild
i have 7 dashes with splash and jolted and sea storm
limpid panther
omg that was amazing
boreal prism
I love to splash dash
boreal prism
Arthur's good if you can stand a slightly slower weapon
Arthur is "what if sword hit like a bow"
honest wing
hell yea
solid sable
mm yes
got 2 boons required for merciful end
in tart
now im entering hades bossfight
with no ME
and common attack doom
boreal prism
feels bad
solid sable
is than keepsake evne good
boreal prism
butterfly and plume are good if they're your only keepsake the whole run i think
i think that's how people play those
you build it up and then you get the bonuses
gusty rapids
it really just depends on what your goal is
solid sable
it really just depends on what your goal is
fast times
honest wing
f a s t
solid sable
aiyeeeee
solid sable
define fast times
my goal is sub 10
gusty rapids
f a s t
