h1-builds-and-combat

[boreal prism]

When you're holding attack you block more than you think

Do that instead of dashing, basically

If you wanna learn to play that, do hidden shield and stygian soul

And just totally forget you have a special

[mild raft]

Ey so does selling a boon remove that god from your pool or do they stay in as long as you picked up one of their boons at some point?

[turbid needle]

I think it stays in your pool.

[limber cloak]

Yeah they stay in your pool

[quaint crystal]

I'll try it out ty!

[jade estuary]

what's the best arthur buidl?

build*

[celest lantern]

When you have aspect of Hades and this is the hammer that comes up
https://i.imgur.com/XrHild2.png
What do I do
I exploding launcher really that good?

[turbid needle]

Exploding Launcher is one of Hades' better options.

You get a 150% damage boost at max level, so with no boon it's dealing 125 with a Punishing Sweep proc.

[celest lantern]

that information is irrelevant if you don't factor in the damage of the special otherwise...

[cursive nest]

I think I’d always be picking quick spin or massive spin here for the ease of proccing the hades damage effect

[celest lantern]

which is why I have such a dilemma, seen a few people sing the praises of exploding launcher already

[turbid needle]

Last time I used Hades, you want a specific primary DPS option with which to abuse the Attack or Special damage buff.

[cursive nest]

Exploding launcher is good, yeah

But with hades aspect I’d prioritize applying punishing sweep

[turbid needle]

I think I've only ever used Serrated Point, but Exploding Launcher was always held in roughly the same regard.

Quick Spin is the better option over Massive Spin, though. You've already got bonus range, getting that second charge level super fast on top of the reduced recovery is way stronger.

[cursive nest]

Had a run where I had both of those Daedalus hammer upgrades

[cunning urchin]

sweet nectar is real nice if you get it at any point before mid-elysium
it just adds even more value to poms like why wouldn't i want that
@slim lynx I think Sweet Nectar is really really good and very underrated. Lady Aphrodite's and Poseidon's boons scale so well with poms.

And if you have those two, you probably want Lord Zeus boons, as well, whose boons also scale very well with poms.

[slim lynx]

sweet nectar comes off as "oh, this is only good if i get it early on" until you put in mind how many poms you can get at styx

[cursive nest]

can get

[cunning urchin]

Well, in Styx, shop is typically a waste of time if that's your goal, but the poms can definitely help with getting the win if clear time is not a concern.

Early to at worst mid Elysium is probably the latest I would want it, though.

[lime jolt]

Exploding launcher or serrated > every other hammer on hades spear @celest lantern

[jovial fulcrum]

Launcher + Charge Skewer Hades = Build-a-bear GY

[turbid needle]

fists of malphon with zeus-poseidon duo:
-tempest strike
-tempest floorish
-electric shot
-tidal dash

anything that boosts knock-away and lightning effect

idea is that every auto attack is boosted with tempest strike and also deals 40 damage from the duo boon(also works with sword)

[jovial fulcrum]

the main issues with so much posiden on malphon is that you knock enemies out of your attack range all the time

[turbid needle]

yes but works good like a boss melter

and if you do play on pc( i think its easier, not sure about consoles) dash strike works too most of the time

plus if you have the aspect with the special pull( dont remember the name) you can compensate a bit

or worst case just get the barrier and wall extra damage from poseidon

[jovial fulcrum]

I'm sure it works just as well but it seems like it could work better on an weapon besides fists

[turbid needle]

i like it on full aspect of zagreus sword

the attack speed helps

[jovial fulcrum]

with sword you don't need tempest flourish, since the special already knocks things away

[turbid needle]

ik

[jovial fulcrum]

unless you pick up double nova

[turbid needle]

its not mandatory anyways

[turbid needle]

@cunning urchin sorry for the ping but what do you suggest for aspect of chaos hammer priority list

[jovial fulcrum]

charged shot always good

[cunning urchin]

Charged Shot > Explosive Return > any Rush hammers > anything else

Pretty much like that, I suppose.

[turbid needle]

thanks , funny enough i got none of the good ones aside from sudden rush, dashing flight and pulverising blow

yeah just started running shield for the first time and its on chaos

[cunning urchin]

m far from a Chaos Aspect expert. I used to not actually like it in Early Access. I like it more in 1.0 now, but it's still among the aspects I play the least.

[turbid needle]

maybe i should go for bow instead

[jovial fulcrum]

sudden seems good for spamming special, Pulv is a lotta damage for melee range tho

[turbid needle]

since im a big damage fan

[cunning urchin]

Sudden Rush might be your best bet there? @covert grove, @steady hatch, or @queen cape can definitely tell you a lot more about Chaos Aspect.

[turbid needle]

oh okay thanks for giving me insight

[steady hatch]

i'd add in dashing flight somewhere after charged shot and explosive return, but it can take a while to get used to

[turbid needle]

im just starting using aspect of chiron instead for now

and im assuming you'd want an artemis build for it

[cunning urchin]

Oh, that's interesting.

The most classic build for Chiron is Heartbreak Strike start into either Deadly Flourish for Heart Rend or Drunken Flourish for Low Tolerance—whichever you come across first. You'd want to Family Favorite for the former and Privileged Status for the latter, but if you're fine with taking whichever you see first, then you would want to take Family Favority because that will work either way.

[turbid needle]

And what's the hammer priority list for that?

[turbid needle]

I see

[cunning urchin]

With Eternal Rose start, you can even take an Epic Heartbreak Flourish instead if it's like between a common Attack and an epic Special. It does excellent damage and has a very good chance of charming enemies if you get Unhealthy Fixation.

[turbid needle]

privelaged status for artemis deadly flourish

and if i come across aphrodite

then family favourite?

yeah heartbreak flourish has the highest flat damage

out of all boons

[cunning urchin]

You start with Eternal Rose for Heartbreak, then pick up whichever you see first out of Deadly Flourish or Drunken Flourish in Tartarus.

And if you don't see either, you take whichever of their keepsakes you prefer into Asphodel.

[turbid needle]

essentially id want an aphrodite/artemis build

[cunning urchin]

For the Heart Rend build, you want Family Favorite. Privileged Status is for Low Tolerance.

[honest wing]

you definitely want the concentrated volley and relentless volley hammers

[cunning urchin]

You can also start with Deadly Flourish or Drunken Flourish instead to get some early poms on it, and then take the Eternal Rose in Asphodel. But I much prefer starting with the Eternal Rose. You have a much better chance of getting your build going early that way.

[turbid needle]

so priority is getting heartbreak flourish early on in tartarus

whenever i get the chance

and hope for crng

rng*

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike*

[turbid needle]

oh ok

[cunning urchin]

Flourish is an alternative if it happens to be epic.

[turbid needle]

hearbreak strike + deadly flourish

on family favourite

[cunning urchin]

Right. But it's flexible. If you see Lord Dionysus first instead, and he offers Drunken Flourish, you take it.

A speedrun strat is actually to start with the Conch Shell for Tidal Dash, though. And then you take Tempest Flourish and go for Sea Storm after that.

[turbid needle]

deadly flourish makes sense for special since it already fires multiple arrows

and procs crit chances

[cunning urchin]

Your Heartbreak Strike will apply Weak, and with Heart Rend, all your crits from your Deadly Flourish will do 4.5x damage instead of just 3x damage. That's the idea.

[queen cape]

hey don't look at me i just spent all day friday watching @steady hatch chaos vids :3

to prepare

[turbid needle]

speaking of which

[cunning urchin]

Chiron hammers depend a lot on how early you get them and what build you have going at the time.

[turbid needle]

whats the hammer priority list

[cunning urchin]

For example, Relentless Volley + Concentrated Volley is the optimal hammer combo for a Heart Rend build, but it does almost nothing for a Low Tolerance Build.

With Low Tolerance, you can stack Hangover 8 times, and Chiron's Volley fires 8 arrows, so getting more arrows from Relentless Volley doesn't do anything.

And getting more base damage from Concentrated Volley doesn't really do anything because Drunken Flourish is not a % hammer.

[turbid needle]

Ill try out both builds and see how they work

Im excited for low tolerance build

[cunning urchin]

Piercing Volley is a great hammer for either build.

[turbid needle]

Not planning on speed running , just want to do insane wipeout damage

so idm starting off slow

[cunning urchin]

Twin Shot, Triple Shot, Flurry Shot, and Perfect Shot are all also very very good.

The only Special hammer you really care for in a Low Tolerance build is Piercing Volley, and otherwise you just take ideally Twin Shot or Triple Shot, and if you don't see them, you take another Attack hammer.

[turbid needle]

lmao i just got into hammer on tartarus

none of them were volleys

all shots

chain shot , twin shot and triple shot

dion build oppurtunity

im going for chain shot

[cunning urchin]

If I don't have either build going yet, I tend to just go for Attack hammers unless I see Piercing Volley, or I go for Relentless Volley or Concentrated if the Attack hammers are weak ones like Sniper Shot.

I would definitely take Twin Shot or Triple Shot there.

[turbid needle]

triple shot it is

[cunning urchin]

Personally, I much prefer Twin Shot over Triple Shot, but there are some great bow players who prefer Triple.

(They're wrong. )

[turbid needle]

triple shot can extremely be abused when in point blank range

[cunning urchin]

You also shouldn't consider getting Triple Shot to mean that you have to go for a Low Tolerance build.

[turbid needle]

im going for a heart rend build this run

if rng can bless me

[cunning urchin]

I would still just go with whichever you see first, or force either one in Asphodel if you don't see them before then.

In either case, you'll want to take their keepsake into Asphodel to improve your odds of seeing their Duo Boon.

[turbid needle]

speaking of which

just landed on aphrodite and got epic heartbreak strike

so far so good

and a pom straight off the batt

to get an upgrade

[cunning urchin]

Nice!

Tidal Dash is always a good pick if you see Poseidon.

[turbid needle]

yeah i seen the speed run list

damn im so damn lucky to get an aphrodite with an immediate upgrade

on strike

especially when its epic

[cunning urchin]

Well, poms aren't affected by rarity. But her boons scale incredibly well with poms.

[turbid needle]

yeah

@cunning urchin speaking of upgrades out of tartarus with level 5 upgrade on heartbreak

strike*

[jovial fulcrum]

Conc Volley is still really nice for LT chiron

[cunning urchin]

It barely does anything over other hammers.

[jovial fulcrum]

Twin Shot can be kinda stinky sometimes. I find that the reduced range actually matters sometimes on Chiron

if you're going for LT Chiron, if you luck out and get Dio/Aphro in Tart you can force Ares in Asphodel for Curse of Nausea

[cunning urchin]

If you don't have Low Tolerance yet, you'll want to take the Overflowing Cup into Asphodel.

[jovial fulcrum]

either or

[cunning urchin]

That's high-rolling for two Duo Boons, anyway. Low Tolerance is more important for the build.

And you'll have to pick up specifically Curse of Vengeance to unlock Curse of Nausea.

[jovial fulcrum]

You would indeed

[cunning urchin]

That's leaving a lot to chance to get the build going. It's not very consistent.

While also hurting your chance to get Low Tolerance, which does more damage than Curse of Nausea, and Curse of Vengeance itself doesn't really do much for you.

I would never force Lord Ares just to high-roll for Curse of Vengeance into Curse of Nausea in a Low Tolerance build, but if you happen to run into Curse of Vengeance naturally, it's definitely worth taking it. You're lowering your chances to get Low Tolerance early, but you'll have a good chance of getting both Duo Boons during the run—assuming those are the only Duo Boons you unlock.

[covert grove]

Sudden is ok but I dont think it helps get more specials out very much since you'll still be waiting for the shield to return. Charged shot 4 life

[cunning urchin]

It was a choice of Sudden Rush, Dashing Flight and Pulverizing Blow.

bablo said he actually ranks Dashing Flight somewhere behind Charged Shot and Explosive Return, which surprised me a bit.

But tbh I don't really know how Dashing Flight works with Chaos Aspect lol.

I kind of forget that I have a Special with Chaos Aspect half the time and just play Zag Shield light.

Charged shot 4 life
💯

Thanks for the input!

[vagrant maple]

dashing flight only applies to the main special shield, but is still very nice for getting the shield back quicker

[jovial fulcrum]

optimal isn't always the most fun

[lime jolt]

Cool didn’t quite understand what the dashing fight interaction was with chaos

[quaint crystal]

hey guys any underrated builds yall would recommend, looking for something new to try out

[fervent elbow]

Lucifer with poseidon attack to roleplay a firefighter

[quaint crystal]

ill try it out lol

[split relic]

Does zoos spin count as special, and does beo charge count as attack?

[lime jolt]

Yes

[cunning urchin]

Yes and yes.

[split relic]

So takin like deadly strike or heartbreak a good idea?

With passion flard

[lime jolt]

yees

i want to say take deadly strike, but since nyaanyaa is here, take heartbreak strike

[split relic]

Lol

[idle carbon]

heartbreak is better for zeus

[lime jolt]

for smoldering stonks

[split relic]

What I do look with zoos?

[lime jolt]

Zeus special

[fervent elbow]

I take Aphro attack to unlock smoldering air

[split relic]

Ahh ok

[lime jolt]

yep same

[split relic]

So start zoos keepsake maybe

[lime jolt]

yes

Get zeus special

[split relic]

Oh heck I haven't unlocked zeus keepsake yet

Smh

He's my last one

Idk how

[lime jolt]

wat

Gift zeus

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, absolutely. But your Cast damage is a lot more important on Beowulf than your Attack. You'd take Deadly Strike hoping for Mirage Shot rather than for the crits.

[split relic]

Ye I keep forgetting

[lime jolt]

Zeus keepsake is important

He shows up a lot

[split relic]

Cause most the time I find zeus it's in shop

Not in rooms

[idle carbon]

zeus special > heartbreak strike > high voltage > smoldering air > splitting bolt

[split relic]

Would I want tidal dash then since u get passion flare

[idle carbon]

win

[split relic]

Hmm

I'ma try it

First gotta get keepsake :(

[lime jolt]

D strike > high voltage

[split relic]

Also is like 30+ heat just don't get hit simulator

Since u can't heal

[idle carbon]

you can't get that with zeus special

[lime jolt]

yes you can

[idle carbon]

seriously ?

[lime jolt]

yeah

[idle carbon]

this wiki sucks

[lime jolt]

Thunder flourish unlocks d strike

[cunning urchin]

Or you take Heartbreak Strike to fill your priority boons and have better odds for getting boons that synergize with your Casts like Snow Burst.

[idle carbon]

then get double strike instead of high voltage, definitely better

[split relic]

Ok

[cunning urchin]

If you have Deadly Strike, yes.

[split relic]

Alrighth

[lime jolt]

Zeus is such a fun aspect

I've had a blast every time I use it

[idle carbon]

I feel like you need just the right boons for it

[lime jolt]

And watching baj helped

[idle carbon]

otherwise it's not very effective

[cunning urchin]

With Passion Flare, you're looking primarily for poms on your Cast and boons like Snow Burst, Ravenous Will, Mirage Shot, Smoldering Air, and more ammo or Cast damage from Master Chaos.

[split relic]

Ahh ok

[lime jolt]

Asphodel is brutal for me with zeus shield

I had to take earring into elysium to not time out

[split relic]

So maybe aim for fully loaded if I can

[idle carbon]

zeus special on zeus shield is basically canon

[split relic]

Or pray for it

[idle carbon]

no variance

[cunning urchin]

Fully Loaded is low priority.

[split relic]

Ok

But chaos extra stones?

[cunning urchin]

Yes, they're much easier to get.

[split relic]

Oki

So for like fury fight with zeus?

Do u just special on them

[idle carbon]

greater recall + charged shot on beo is

[split relic]

And leave it there

[lime jolt]

Just throw and recall your shield really quickly and dash strike while ur doing it

They should melt

[split relic]

I got fully loaded once on beo and it was insane

[idle carbon]

hmm

can you get fully loaded + greater recall

[lime jolt]

leave ur shield on them for like 1.5 seconds

[split relic]

Ok

[cunning urchin]

You definitely take Fully Loaded when it's offered, but you don't really go out of your way to unlock it.

[split relic]

So like when they sitting still?

[jovial fulcrum]

I've gotten Fully Loaded on Beo maybe, like, once ever. It's just so hard to get offered Fully Loaded
And this is coming from someone who forces highroll builds pretty regularly.

[idle carbon]

well I used plume

[jovial fulcrum]

Plume does nothing to help you get Fully Loaded

[idle carbon]

for greater recall

[lime jolt]

Throw ur shield, dash strike a few times, get it back, repeat

[jovial fulcrum]

i c

[split relic]

Oki

[lime jolt]

Atleast this is what I’ve learned from watching Baj

[cunning urchin]

What you do with your Attack on Zeus Aspect depends a lot on your hammers tbh.

[split relic]

I got one more question for

[cunning urchin]

Best hammers are Charged Shot > Explosive Return > anything else.

[split relic]

Rama

I seem to struggle a lot on time

And I wanna do my 16 heat with it

[cunning urchin]

Pulverizing Blow can do some real work if those two aren't offered.

Minotaur Rush and Breaching Rush are very good, too.

[split relic]

How do ppl melt the bosses

Cause I seem to take too long

Esp on furies

[lime jolt]

I feel like there’s nothing else to do while ur shield is flying so I dash strike

[cunning urchin]

Dashing Wallop can do some work, but I'd take any of the hammers I mentioned before over that.

[split relic]

https://youtu.be/0W9ZxL8dd80

5:53

I'm so confused how he does so much dm

Smg

Dmg*

[jovial fulcrum]

rama op

[lucid oar]

Does the 100% bonus to the dragon rush for beowolf apply to the casts or just the attack?

[idle carbon]

that's tail on rama

so

[lime jolt]

I like sudden(safety for RR), explosive, charged(for not high heat )

[jovial fulcrum]

Whenever Tail picks up Rama, he gets a hidden 50% damage buff

just how it is

[split relic]

I don't understand how he legit 4 shot tisi

[cunning urchin]

I'd still say Charged Shot is the best hammer for high heat.

[split relic]

Like wth

[lime jolt]

Its twin shot + crits

That’s what it is

[split relic]

Og

Oh*

Huh well I must be bad

Everytime I pickup ramaa

I hit 20-25 mins

[lime jolt]

He’s also powershotting

[split relic]

Ahh

[lucid oar]

Rama is really hard to play well

[lime jolt]

RR gaming

[cunning urchin]

You're essentially just playing Zag Shield, but your Special can do a lot of work for you on the side. I set my Special to LB on pad for easy throw and recall. Then you just kind of keep throwing and recalling. A lot of players make the mistake of throwing the Special from far, but it's honestly more a melee weapon. Like if you throw your Special first and then dash in, your Special is not gonna hit anything. So you go in, throw your Special, then Attack (typically backstabs) and recall.

[lime jolt]

I agree with all of that

[jovial fulcrum]

Rama really wants Dash Strikes, more so than other bows

[lime jolt]

I’ve also rebinded my special to trigger

[jovial fulcrum]

You wanna dash strike on every bow, but its super important for rama

[lime jolt]

I noticed it helped a lot

[split relic]

Oki

[cunning urchin]

If you're learning Zeus Aspect, you should at first be a lot more concerned with what you do with your Attack than with what you do with your Special, unless you already have very solid shield fundamentals.

[split relic]

Ok

[lime jolt]

Zeus shield is so

It’s amazing

I don’t want to hear anything against it

Ever

[lucid oar]

Don't watch duunk0's aspect tier list then, he put it in C tier

Or B

[cunning urchin]

If you're good at base shield, you can really start focusing on getting the most out of your Special.

[lime jolt]

He put it there bcs most people cant use it

[split relic]

Bro might just watch tail to learn rama

[lime jolt]

Myself partially included

[lucid oar]

It does take a bit to get used to ig

[split relic]

This man one shot all of lernies heads in one shot

[lucid oar]

I can't use it

[split relic]

Wth

[cunning urchin]

Also, I would say be deliberate with how you throw and recall your Special, and always keep it close to you.

As a rule of thumb.

[lime jolt]

^

[split relic]

It kinda slow to recall right?

[lime jolt]

Thats why you keep it near you

[split relic]

Ok

[cunning urchin]

If you need to move some distance to get to your enemies, recall and pick it up first, then get close and throw it again.

[idle carbon]

[lime jolt]

its is

[cunning urchin]

If you just dash there with your Special spinning way behind you, it's not gonna hit anything at all.

[idle carbon]

for me it's chaos > beo > zeus > zag

[lime jolt]

Zeus 45 felt 99x easier than beo

[idle carbon]

well zag shield is a meme

so

[cunning urchin]

Hm.

[lucid oar]

I really like zag shield

[idle carbon]

that's okay

[cunning urchin]

Zeus > Beowulf > Zagreus > Chaos.

[lime jolt]

^

Thats mine

[idle carbon]

you sure you guys don't like zeus just cuz of baj's 64

[lime jolt]

no

I began to use it because of baj

[lucid oar]

Zag shield with pulverising blow is actually pretty powerful

[lime jolt]

Zag + charged is better imo

Charged is spicy

[idle carbon]

yep zag + charged is the way to go

[lucid oar]

Both is best

[cunning urchin]

Charged Shot is always #1 on any shield.

[lime jolt]

^

80 dmg from minimum charge is op

[cunning urchin]

Chaos Aspect is bad Zag Shield.

[lucid oar]

It's strange how it's always 80 damage. It would make sense for it to increase the more you charge it, like with all other charged hammers

[idle carbon]

chaos >>>>>>>>> zag

[lime jolt]

tbh with chaos late game, you barely use the special

lmao

[idle carbon]

I do

[lucid oar]

Chaos shield with Poseidon special, sea storm and explosive return feels really fun. It's not fast in any way however

[cunning urchin]

I don't really use it early either lol.

[lime jolt]

I like it for tartarus/asphodel

zeus + jolted is good damage

[cunning urchin]

Chaos Aspect is Zag Shield with -15 base damage.

Unless you have Charged Shot. Then they're both the same shield.

[idle carbon]

fml

I'ma just do a 40 heat hera run

I can't handle this

[cunning urchin]

Think about it: Chaos Aspect can do a Charged Shot into a Special that can take several seconds to return.

Or Chaos Aspect can do a Charged Shot into Charged Shot into Charged Shot into . . .

[idle carbon]

charged shot does not work with chaos shield, you need to special at point blank range for chaos shield to be effective

(late game)

[cunning urchin]

You can do Charged Shot from point blank.

[idle carbon]

that is unsafe

[cunning urchin]

How? Dash-Strike > Charged Shot > Dash-Strike > Charged Shot > etc. And if they're about to do an attack that you can't evade, just hold your Attack button to block it, then let go for Charged Shot afterwards.

[idle carbon]

with charged shot you remove your ability to manuever the field which is important for high heat runs

bull rush distance is very nice

and you can customize it

[cunning urchin]

DPS > Bull Rush.

[idle carbon]

with charged shot you turn the shield into bow, which is good for beo and zag but it goes against the purpose of chaos

which doesn't matter for you I guess since you said you barely use the special

so

[cunning urchin]

The point is that Charged Shot DPS is better than playing into Chaos Aspect's gimmick.

[idle carbon]

but with that logic chaos shield is basically lower dps zag

and that's just sad

[cunning urchin]

That's what I said, yeah.

There are still moments here and there to throw your Special, but it's supplementary.

Like if you can hit a group of enemies to spread Thunder Flourish + Jolted, that's very good AOE damage.

[idle carbon]

it is

chaos shield depends on its special

there is no point to use it if you don't utilize that

[cunning urchin]

It's still fun to use the Special supplementarily, and you can luck into some very good builds sometimes that actually use the Special more, but Zag Shield is more consistent in my experience and also, I think, in theory.

[idle carbon]

well you should aim for special builds with chaos anyway

[lime jolt]

Hmm sorta

[idle carbon]

for example, explosive return

very nice for chaos

[lime jolt]

I still take charged shot over that

Especially after chaos nerf

[idle carbon]

lol it was nerfed ?

[cunning urchin]

The Special is somewhat flexible. I'd definitely focus on Attack first, then pick up something good for my Special along the way.

If I get Charged Shot early, I'll probably just ignore the Special for 99% of the run except to unlock some Duo Boon or fill priority slots.

The extra shields spread in a star pattern before 1.0 and could bounce.

[idle carbon]

and that was op ?

[lime jolt]

Yes

Instant room clears

[cunning urchin]

You could also just run away with Dash-Strike > Bull Rush and spread Jolted at everything without having to actually aim once.

[cunning urchin]

Not at all tbh. DPS was always kind of low. It was just incredibly safe.

Well, some rooms, yes.

But later on it would really fall off.

Boss DPS was especially low.

You really needed Jolted to deal good damage to bosses at high heat.

At least the way Haelian and bablo played it at the time.

[opal vortex]

So I just used egg keepsake in Elysium and didn't get a single gate...

[idle carbon]

it doesn't force gates to appear

[opal vortex]

well that kinda sucks lol

[cunning urchin]

Best to check the Well first for a Light of Ixion.

[opal vortex]

I feel like this was easily <10m seed but I wasted it because I suck https://imgur.com/EKJtRF5 https://imgur.com/ng9CDNy

And I didnt even use my summon rolls eyes

I used 2 troves lol

I got the jolted stuff right away

[boreal prism]

Hmm... would it be possible to activate privileged status in a boonless run?

I know some aspects inflict status effects and I think some hammers do too?

[cunning urchin]

No.

Only the status curses in this list count for Privileged Status. https://hades.gamepedia.com/Status_effects#Status_Curses

[boreal prism]

Huh.. fsr I thought maim counted

[cunning urchin]

Nope.

[lime jolt]

Weapon curses do not count

[lime jolt]

The shields
Chaos: Zag shield - 15 damage
Zeus: Zag shield but you can block while your special does stuff
Beowulf: Zag shield but no boiling blood but your charged shot does 100% damage sometimes

@cunning urchin

[cunning urchin]

Beowulf is very different from Zag Shield.

Why did you ping me for this, peasant.

https://imgur.com/a/Z9Y4S7T

@lime jolt https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/630312677855461377/830653531752366111/20210411_055954.jpg?width=577&height=433

[lime jolt]

Hmm

[bronze sorrel]

So I had an interesting idea to abuse true damage on status effects that I think could potentially have some merit: Ok, so, Gilgamesh HEAR ME OUT with Thunder Dash HEAR ME OUT and Vengeful Mood HEAR ME OUT and High Confidence and Ruthless Reflex HEAR ME O.... oh ok, everyone left.

[lime jolt]

Yeah that’s a legit strat

Vengeful mood is a bit hard to get, but otherwise its really good and fun

RR is slowly becoming one of my favorite mirror perks

[lime jolt]

Are those crocodiles

[cunning urchin]

They are sacred crocodiles.

[honest wing]

proceeds to chomp on the sacred crocodiles

[lime jolt]

Lowkey wanna eat those

[honest wing]

Dem Fists drunken strike deadly flourish passion dash curse of vengeance curse of nausea low tolerance splitting headache

absolute destruction

[honest wing]

man I forgot to turn on priv stat

on a dio build

it's the perfect seed too

[honest wing]

I LITERALLY GOT THIS BUILD EXACT LITERALLY AND IT WAS SO GOOD BUT I DIED GODDAMMIT I DIED TO HADES IT WAS CLOSE TOO AAAAAH I GOT LOW TOLERANCE IN TARTARUS AND SET UP FOR CURSE OF NAUSEA AND THEN I HAD HEART REND AND SPLITTING HEADACHE AND CORSE OF NAUSEA I'M SO PISSED AAAAAA I ALSO FORGOT TO TURN ON PRIV STAT THAT'S PROBABLY WHY I DIED AAAAAAAAAAAA

[eternal osprey]

cool, thanks!

[eternal osprey]

Why do I get the impression that Fredgerd is actually Aziz Ansari

[fluid marten]

What exactly is Hydra Skip and how do you do it?

[cunning urchin]

That was patched out over a year ago.

[slim lynx]

it was gonna be left in but it caused the game to do "janky stuff" which is actually bad

[cunning urchin]

Nevermind, there's a new one after all.

@fluid marten https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx4S1W8NWkk

[honest wing]

uhhhhhhhh

WHAT

[valid dagger]

big brain strats

[slim lynx]

how should i build luci?

deadly flourish or something?

[cunning urchin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/831095747265036348/Hades_2153.png?width=768&height=432

Works for me.

[slim lynx]

ah, yes, smouldering air. i see.

[valid dagger]

Need non aphro version

[slim lynx]

thunder flourish could possibly work though

damn not even gonna mention that greater inferno smh

[cunning urchin]

Heretic.

[manic willow]

Iv maxed Guan Yu, any tips?

[valid dagger]

@manic willow this

[manic willow]

Okay thank u!

[valid dagger]

goodluck

[cunning urchin]

@slim lynx works, too. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/823982278748274737/Hades_1749.png?width=768&height=432

I just start Heartbreak Strike and go with what I get.

[valid dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/829446763432902697/unknown.png I like this

[cunning urchin]

Triple Bomb is pretty much the best hammer you can pick up. You'll want something on your Attack first, then anything with a % on Special.

And a good dash like Tidal Dash or Divine Dash.

Passion Dash is nice, too.

Drunken Dash or Blade Dash might work better on KBM, but on pad they're not all that in my experience.

[slim lynx]

luci run so far, i couldn't snag the hyper delivery sadly 😔

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/761220441049661442/831126230735519775/Hades_221.png

[limber cloak]

your special does how much dmg

[valid dagger]

lol

[slim lynx]

um???? first chamber in elysium i got a hammer and i got triple bomb?????

i swear i don't have experience with this aspect i'm just playing it like eris and happened upon some absurd luck

[cunning urchin]

Nice!

[slim lynx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/761220441049661442/831127803679473725/Hades_222.png

i swear if i get sub 12

THAT HEROES FIGHT WAS SO FAST

[cunning urchin]

What's the time out of Elysium?

Triple Bomb is great for boss fights, yeah.

[slim lynx]

8:47

sloppy elysium but jesus christ i cannot process what just happened

[strange lark]

yeah you gonna get sub 12

as long as you dont get bad sack rng

[slim lynx]

i just instantly phased both of them

i've already lucked out

there's zero chances of me getting a 2-sack

[valid dagger]

Dont jinx it

[cunning urchin]

Technically, there's about a 54% chance that you will.

[valid dagger]

[cunning urchin]

Gonna be a little tight for sub 12, but doable. Although, Triple Bomb should speed things up now, hopefully.

[slim lynx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/761220441049661442/831130640078340096/Hades_224.png

i've lucked out

i got a 3-sack but at this point i won't be getting any good runs for a while

[valid dagger]

Thats spicy

nicely done

[cunning urchin]

Congratulations!

Now do it again, but at 32 Heat.

[slim lynx]

also this apparently beats my eris time by about 3 seconds

lucifer > eris confirmed

[cunning urchin]

Can't argue with math.

[honest wing]

that's like a good build I should try it

[slim lynx]

good luck getting chaos flourish x3 and greater inferno + triple bomb

[strange lark]

i mean i got that once

but not 3 chaos flourish

[slim lynx]

what's usually the best build for luci?

[strange lark]

zeus, dio, ares, aphro, artemis, all on attack

[turbid needle]

demeter with artic blast

[strange lark]

oh yeah

[slim lynx]

funny meme beams

but i'd like a build that's actually effective, not something i'd rather put on achilles

[turbid needle]

I mean I think its nice

[slim lynx]

[turbid needle]

its prob not as good as others but it seemed pretty legit to me

you can also do super soggy or whatever

with poseidon attack and seastorm

[strange lark]

lmao super soggy

[lime jolt]

ares is good on lucifer

[strange lark]

i think it is

[turbid needle]

if you get dire its okay

but you need to get dire

[slim lynx]

is greater inferno actually very impactful on lucifer?

seems like the best way to use it is to just set the explosives off immediately

[strange lark]

wait what hammer is that?

[slim lynx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/761220441049661442/831130640078340096/Hades_224.png

[fervent elbow]

Greater inferno is useless

[strange lark]

nah, 250% damage is not that much

[slim lynx]

figured

i guess piercing or triple beam would work better

maybe targeting system if i can get it

[strange lark]

but seriously, when it says "radiates" does that mean the attack when the ball is just sitting on the ground and not the actual explosion?

[slim lynx]

yeah

[strange lark]

damn that sucks

[slim lynx]

i mean

the explosion dealing 250% more damage would be busted

plain broken

absolutely overpowered

[valid dagger]

I really like triple on Lucifer for room clearing

Triple beam I mean

[slim lynx]

why not both?

[fervent elbow]

That's why Lucy can't have hazard bomb

[valid dagger]

Both is probably my ideal combo

Most fun for me

Triple bomb triple beam

[slim lynx]

greater inferno + hazard bomb

i wanna try that with codex menu

seems chaotic

[strange lark]

triple bomb, hazard bomb

[split relic]

Hey question about rama hammers

Does chain shot give +15% dmg for each bounce

Or does it do 15%

Cause I never take it bc of thst

[slim lynx]

15% per bounce

[split relic]

So it adds overall dmg?

[slim lynx]

personally on rama i'd take it just for the bounce property

[split relic]

Ahh oh well

I took twin shot

I got that and perfect shot

[valid dagger]

That’s a great combo

[split relic]

Oki

Ye I was one shotting phases for the boses

[fluid marten]

With doubleshot rama, do you take artemis attack and go for crits, or do you just want a percentage boon?

[slim lynx]

trying to get hyper delivery like:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/761220441049661442/831170090782162996/hermes_trade_offer.jpg

actually i coulda put common greatest reflex there instead lmao

[honest wing]

lmao

or like a rare swift strike

or the common cast boon

[slim lynx]

anything that isn't rush delivery

[honest wing]

when you get an epic greater haste at styx

but no rush delivery

what is the fastest one can go

zag sword + lambient plume + greater haste + second wind + hyper sprint

also have smoldering air to stack second wind

[slim lynx]

with 3 hermes boons required, that actually seems doable

"doable" as in "possible", not "easy"

[honest wing]

yea

pray to RNGesus

this could be a challenge

has there been a hermes challenge before?

[jovial fulcrum]

so fast you cant even control the zag

[honest wing]

ultimate nyoom

[fallen tendon]

any video from this build?

[vagrant maple]

I think shield with ferocious guard is more movespeed than zag sword.

[honest wing]

oh? I completely forgot about that

[vagrant maple]

yeah it's 20% vs 15%

[honest wing]

forgot about ruthless reflex too

I won't wanna depend on a hammer th

[vagrant maple]

fair enough

[lime jolt]

ruthless reflex gives move speed?

[honest wing]

idts wait

[gusty rapids]

should only give damage and dodge

not move speed

[vagrant maple]

oh wait no

oops lol

[lime jolt]

ok thats what I thought

[strange lark]

hades aid gives move speed

[vagrant maple]

oh true

[honest wing]

yea

[strange lark]

easy 100% move speed

[vagrant maple]

so heroic greater haste + heroic second wind + ferocious guard + hyper sprint+ hades aid is 309%. Then add plume

[strange lark]

or you can get lucky with well of charon and bone hourglass

[vagrant maple]

also true

[lime jolt]

Someone should route this

[nocturne raven]

Almost beat my personal best just there, probably would have if I had a better Aid boon. I got Poseidon's in the hope of getting Sea Storm, but it didn't happen and once I knew it wouldn't I couldn't purge Poseidon's Aid. Even with Rip Current it sucks imo, especially for speedrunning.

[turbid needle]

Poseidon's Aid is generally regarded as one of the best in the game.

It's got damage out the wazoo and provides full invulnerability.

[runic glade]

So true man. It was super useful for me during the Hydra boss fight

[rugged whale]

So there are these doll... things. The fact that they can be used only a very limited amount of times per run means I hardly use them, and as a result... I forget to use them at all. How do you get over that?

[turbid needle]

you wanna focus using them on bosses and minibosses to get an edge in damage

or in dire fights

[clever barn]

had an amazing run with eris with cluster rockets, clicked on styx hammer sostitution in a rush instead of big pom

[jovial fulcrum]

what if every fight is dire

f

[turbid needle]

Amir's Revenge strikes again.

[jovial fulcrum]

who is amir anyhow

[flat rose]

Did Artemis aid get buffed to having 5 uses, i swear it used to be 4 before

[turbid needle]

Nope, it's been 5 for a long time.

Amir Rao of SGG?

[flat rose]

Really now, have i just never noticed surely it was added something after i got during Christmas season?

[jovial fulcrum]

oh

whoops

[solid sable]

how2 clear fast with arthur

[slim lynx]

cast build

#771815559410876446 message

[cunning urchin]

rmacinty — Today at 2:28 AM
Is the bonus for charged skewer multiplicative or additive?
Charged Skewer adds base damage. Boons like Heartbreak Flourish then are applied to your total base damage. For example, with a common Heartbreak Flourish Lv.1, which is +80%, and a fully Charged Skewer, you'd get:

base_dmg = 45
bonus_base_dmg = 200%
bonus_dmg = 80%
45 * (1 + 200%) * (1 + 80%)
= (45 + 90) * (1 + 80%)
= 135 * (1 + 80%)
= 135 + 108
= 243```

@lucid oar

Hazard Bomb also adds base damage.

Other Special damage and global damage modifiers are added to your bonus_dmg.

[turbid needle]

Basically, if it says "base damage" it's multiplicative, otherwise it's additive.

[lunar flare]

Only prophecy left is Bad News - I have Stygian Soul and Lambent Plume maxed; Is it a strat to not take Hermes until the Styx shop to get the boosted rarity boon?

Obviously with the mirror flipped to the Leg/Duo +10% chance

[strange lark]

bruh just take every hermes boon you can get to get the legendary

[limber cloak]

no, theres no such strat

but the hermes in shop is a good thing to go for if youre looking for his legendary

[lunar flare]

thing is, Hermes only shows up twice in a run

[strange lark]

is there a way to force a hermes boon in styx?

[valid dagger]

No

You can see a third Hermes but cant force that

[solid sable]

any good Rama builds

[limber cloak]

aphro special with arty attack

go for heartrend

[solid sable]

and what mirror to use with it

[strange lark]

aphro attack, artemis attack, dio special, zeus special

[limber cloak]

or you can do a zeus special spam

[solid sable]

what about chiron build

[limber cloak]

mirror, probably fiery and god's legacy

same but inverse

[strange lark]

dio special, artemis special

[limber cloak]

aphro attack, arty special

or that^

[valid dagger]

I like Artemis Attack Dio Special --> Splitting Headache

[strange lark]

for this you should put aphro attack

[limber cloak]

^

aphro attack to get low tolerance

then arty cast to get splitting

then curse of vengeance from ares to get curse of nausea

i actually had all three duos once in a chiron run, it was so fun

[lunar flare]

I thought that if I take two non-boosted Hermes boons the Styx slot will always be an anvil?

[strange lark]

I've taken 2 hermes boons and seen another one in styx

[lunar flare]

aight cool

ty

[lime jolt]

For Artemis attack, I would go either zeus or dio special

Heartrend is not necessary and Zeus and dio actually somewhat scale (mostly Zeus)

[weary ridge]

is there any best way to get exclusive access in tartarus

[strange lark]

rng

[honest wing]

I had all three in a dem fists run but I died to hades

never playing fists again

friendship ended with fists excalibur is my best friend now

[weary ridge]

ok so is there a way to manipulate the rng lol

[honest wing]

you can use the keepsakes

[strange lark]

uh

good rng

[weary ridge]

well yea im doing that already ahh 😄

[strange lark]

make sure you have the right boons

[weary ridge]

Best ive go is getting it early in asphodel so far 😦

[honest wing]

I mean then there's nothing other than that

[weary ridge]

although i did end up with 4 duos so maybe not too bad

[desert axle]

how to fists

[strange lark]

demeter is probably the best fist aspect, go for zeus attack and artemis special

for hammers you should go for long knuckle and explosive upper

you should always hold down attack and dash to reset the combo

if you just hold down attack then there will be a little pause in between every combo

[desert axle]

thankl u

[cunning urchin]

@desert axle hope this helps. #h1-builds-and-combat message

[desert axle]

tysm! :)

[nocturne raven]

Triple Bomb is a pretty underrated rail hammer.

Lining up all three specials to just nuke an enemy immediately once they spawn is so satisfying.

[slim lynx]

does eris' damage boost also affect specials?

[lime jolt]

As in calls?

[slim lynx]

i wouldn't say it's underrated if it's like the definitive best hammer you can get for luci

[slim lynx]

bombs

[lime jolt]

Yes it does

[slim lynx]

cluster rockets are apparently even more powerful than i thought

[mild raft]

Eris's damage boost is g l o b a l

It affects all of the things that you do

it does not affect things like traps or summons

[jovial fulcrum]

cluster rockets are op

I've had it twice

Once I had Rockets w/ Targetting computer which is a hot meme

when you fire a rocket it just paint the entire half of the room you're facing with the Targetting debuff

[finite adder]

Is Demeter's cast good? it feels really satisfying but I can't tell if it's actually good

[boreal prism]

It can get good if you get supporting boons

[finite adder]

yeah the better tracking one

[boreal prism]

If all your other attacks are slow and you're being hunted down then it can be cool to plop down a turret that will deal damage even as you run away

[finite adder]

yeah exactly

all i know is that demeter cast vs hydra head = profit

[boreal prism]

I like the boon that makes it inflict chill

[finite adder]

that and cyrstal clarity duo with artemis is mmmmmmmmm

just cast and watch the health drain away

[slim lynx]

how does clean kill work?

if it's at 50% then do your crits deal 50% more damage or 50% added to 300%?

[jovial fulcrum]

I would think that it's additive with the crit damage modifier, like heart rend is

so if your clean kill is +22%, then your crits would be +222% (322% overall)

[opal lodge]

it actually affects some traps lmao

but not all

[mild raft]

wait what

which ones

[jovial fulcrum]

my favorite weird interaction is that Mark allows traps to crit

great stuff

[mild raft]

Yea cause Mark affects the enemy not Zag

same with Weak with Sweet Surrender

[jovial fulcrum]

targetting system too

[boreal prism]

if thanatos didnt always crit, i wonder if mark would help him crit

[mild raft]

Wym always crit

Also summons can crit with Mark

[jovial fulcrum]

i think they mean actual than, in the rooms where he helps you out

and gives you a centaur heart

[mild raft]

Oh yea

[boreal prism]

9999!

[mild raft]

Kinda rude how he doesn't do 9,999 when we summon him tho :/

[slim lynx]

you can totally do that with pp

[mild raft]

You'd need Mark not pp

Mark affects the enemy PP affects Zag

[opal lodge]

mark can allow than to do 29997 yeah

[gusty rapids]

beautiful

[royal wraith]

kinda new to Hades. idk how to even create build. I'm assuming that what you do is you figure out what boons/upgrades synchronize well with the other ones and so forth, right ?

[gusty rapids]

basically, along with how they synergize with whatever aspect you're making

a lot of learning builds and how to build comes just from playing a lot, watching others play a lot, and arguing about tiny details at 4am in servers like these

[boreal prism]

builds are mostly based on weapon yeah

but some boons are almost always good

[royal wraith]

arguments is where it's at, yes sir

[static karma]

One very basic thing is that percentage boosts like artemis and aphrodite are better on attacks with high base damage that are generally slower, and stuff like Zeus that applies per hit is better on fast attacks, they generally have lower base damage

[honest wing]

has anyone ever done eris spread fire artemis attack?

[gusty rapids]

i havent but 6 ammo is very sad

[limber cloak]

spreadfire only really works on zag rail

where the ammo loss is negligible

on other rails youre reloading so often with spreadfire that its not worth it at all

[real crest]

Can you get the extra ammo Hammer to help

[gusty rapids]

do you mean hammer?

you cant get the extra ammo hammers with spread fire

they're incompatible

[limber cloak]

yeah they probs mean flurry fire

and yeah^^

[gusty rapids]

delta / flurry are incompatible w spread fire

[real crest]

Oh ok

[opal lodge]

ive done spread fire with eris

its a lot of damage

also very sad

[cunning urchin]

It's only sad relative to what else you can do with Eris, it's still better than what you can do with a bunch of other aspects.

[honest wing]

has anyone done eris cast builds

also flurry fire with zag aspect rail 😋

[cunning urchin]

@hoary slate did a mirrorless 32 Eris Cast build just the other day.

[honest wing]

yo mirrorless? damn

[hoary slate]

^^

good 50 base + 60% single cast

but you could go from Lightning Strike to Dio-Cast for Scint, i think Hadesprof did that at 50 Heat

[celest lantern]

the very first time I tried the rail, I immediately got spread fire...
That was a... bad first impression

also, question: is upgrading the Aspect of Hera (heart-seeking bow) detrimental if you're using stygian soul?
since what it does is basically just to reduce the time during which boiling blood/whatever-the-other-one-is-the-one-that-slows-down is active on the enemy?

[opal lodge]

why +60%?

[hoary slate]

Eris?

[valid dagger]

It's 75% isnt it

[opal lodge]

^

[hoary slate]

oh you're prolly right i never kept up with eris nerfs

point is it was one-shotting witches

[valid dagger]

Upgrading Hera will just reduce drop time of your cast, so with Stygian, upgrading it doesnt do anything, it has nothing to do with Boiling Blood or Abyssal Blood, but as it removes your casts quicker then yes those effects will wear off quicker aswell

[slim lynx]

you shouldn't expect boiling/abyssal blood to be the mvp if you're running a cast build

hera is just burst damage anyway

[celest lantern]

I just hate how small the souls' regrab radius is...

using keyboard, grabbing them back is just so hard/inconsistent...

[valid dagger]

Greater Recall

[valid prism]

Test and see if stygian has a consequence on the time the cast is stuck on an enemy

If the time is higher than Hera passive, then you'll know for sure

[slim lynx]

well, you could go for greater recall, but honestly that's too much of a high-roll for it to be worth it, trust me.

[valid prism]

Thing is that if you cast everytime it's not on cooldown because of stygian, your main target should be under any blood effect most of the time

And boiling blood only matters on attack and special so if you don't have an attack boon it's sad

Hadesprof used stygian on his Hera run you can watch it on the 50 heat leaderboard

[cunning urchin]

@hoary slate 60% was only temporary in the test branch. It's at 75% and 4 seconds now.

[honest wing]

dude nemesis is crazy

it basically feels like merciful end man with the dash strikes and stuff

and I didnt even get double edge

just the basic heart rend set

[celest lantern]

yep, that's burst damage all right o.O
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qsMlqPr49K3zhUSsJL5OrmjXSYgnjuRg/view

(immediately got epic trippy flare)

[celest lantern]

hey, does triple shot with hera makes the cast fire for all 3 arrows??

[honest wing]

no only the center one I think

[slim lynx]

only the middle arrow

[celest lantern]

aww, if only

[lunar radish]

Does daedalus hammer attack modifiers cancel each other out? Thinking of Lucifer with the "starts to attack faster" if I can still get the infinite ammo one on top?

[strange lark]

yes

like you can get hazard bomb and triple bomb together

that would be op

and you cant get cluster bomb and triple bomb together

[slim lynx]

some hammers are incompatible with each other, thus if you already have say, delta chamber, you can't get flurry fire or spread fire

[strange lark]

and certain weapons cant get certain hammers

[lunar radish]

is there a spreadsheet or something for all the ones that cancel eachother?

[slim lynx]

because their effects each contradict each other, you can't ever get a combo of delta/flurry/spread

[strange lark]

you should just go to the wiki

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Daedalus_Hammer

[lunar radish]

Thanks 🙂

[last rivet]

does anyone know for any infographic / visual builds?

[mystic ember]

I just discovered that Athena's cast boon with posiden's aspect on the sword is an absolutely amazing combo

[honest wing]

yup it is

[slim lynx]

lightning phalanx

ez win

[mystic ember]

That's actually what I'm trying to get, I'm trying to get the divine pairings quest, so I decided to finally pick up the boon, and I thought that the aspect posiden might go well with it

And now I'm looking for the duo boon

[slim lynx]

lightning phalanx is apparently the speedrunning meta for poseidon sword? lol

[mystic ember]

I did not know that, but I definitely understand, im going through a lot faster than usual

[cunning urchin]

Phalanx Shot into Mirage Shot or Lightning Phalanx.

[mystic ember]

What if both O-o

That's possible right?

[cunning urchin]

It is.

[mystic ember]

I'm pretty sure it is

Oh I'm definitely gonna try to get that next run

[cunning urchin]

You don't go out of your way to try to get both in a speedrun, though.

But if you luck into it, sure.

[mystic ember]

Well not really a speedrun, but if I do get it in a speed run that would be lucky as hell

[honest wing]

I think I did get both once and it was awesome

[valid prism]

@slim lynx Phalanx has interesting duos and has the advantage to be great for attack and defense because of the reflect ability so it's cool at high heat

And using her item locks Athena on your seed so you can go for dd strats and more chances to have divine dash for more defense

[opal lodge]

you can occasionally get both but you usually follow this decision making tree

if you find natural poseidon or artemis in tartarus, force the other in asphodel

if you dont, or find natural zeus, force zeus for LP

[cunning urchin]

Yes, gotta get those Lernie Points.

[jovial fulcrum]

Heart Rend offered against Smoldering Air
On Aphro/Arty chiron with perfect Hanmers

[opal lodge]

honestly? SA

whats your call?

[jovial fulcrum]

Zooz

[opal lodge]

thats an ez SA IMO

[jovial fulcrum]

Yeah, heart Rend only helps for bosses at this point

I've got epic Arty spec, Relentless/Concentrated and 70% chaos flourish

[lime jolt]

Smoldering > heatrend on most things imo

[cunning urchin]

SA simply for the fact that you can practically full-time Billowing Strength etc. should beat Heart Rend.

[lime jolt]

Billowing with one or two poms is practically earring without having to be at low health

[cunning urchin]

I think Billowing Strength is often taken too early, though.

[jovial fulcrum]

I don't have billow. Zooz call is the only boon from him, besides Air

[cunning urchin]

Like if you have only Zeus' Aid for lightning and no other flat damage, and it's between Static Discharge and Billowing Strength.

Well, Static Discharge has a 50% chance of showing up when you see another boon from him. That will add some good damage.

[proven osprey]

Yeah

Billowing with hangover though

Poggies

[lime jolt]

Does static discharge do anything on zeus call?

lol

[cunning urchin]

Of course.

[lime jolt]

It would have like a max of 3-4 procs per one call

And billow has about 24% damage for 24 seconds iirc

[proven osprey]

It's a good aoe you can easily hit the whole room

[opal lodge]

jolted is just good

at rare/epic

[lime jolt]

ofc

But I would take billowing first with zeus call

[proven osprey]

It depends

[opal lodge]

i would only take billowing over it if i had a FULL build

[jovial fulcrum]

I got offered both and took billowing

[proven osprey]

If you have flat damage

[jovial fulcrum]

end of styx tho

[opal lodge]

we're talking tidal dash, pommed lightning strike, the works

yeah thats fine appa

[proven osprey]

Tidal hangover doom etc, I take billowing

[jovial fulcrum]

I was tempted by static, so i could proc PS

[lime jolt]

I will take epic jolted over billowing every day

[gusty rapids]

epic jolted is sooo good

[proven osprey]

Yeah the common 60 is sad ngl

Put if you get it early, pom is a smile

[lime jolt]

pom scaling of jolted is quite spicy

[proven osprey]

Like you now

Common jolted into nectar

[opal lodge]

common is so sad

[proven osprey]

It's a smile

[opal lodge]

you cant pay me to take common jolted i wont

[proven osprey]

Then you meet eury

Poms

More smile

[lime jolt]

And then demeter hits it with a C R O P

[jovial fulcrum]

I had sweet nectar in tart in my last run

[cunning urchin]

Zeus' Aid at Epic is 420 damage per Lesser Call. Jolted scales super well with poms and can hit a whole lot of enemies in regular encounters for easy 300+ damage.

[jovial fulcrum]

level 7 edik arty special

[opal lodge]

two poms in common jolted only ties epic

lol

[cunning urchin]

Per Call.

[gusty rapids]

i take common jolted and cry the rest of the run

[opal lodge]

jolted is one of few cases where i can somewhat understand rerolling for rarity

common jolted might as well be a different boon entirely

[gusty rapids]

yee

esp if its in tart

if its later than tart i just take my crappy jolted and go

[jovial fulcrum]

its, what, a 40 damage difference between common and rare? or only 30?

idr base numbers

[cunning urchin]

Lord Zeus's boons are generally poor at common and ridiculous at heroic.

[lime jolt]

Lighting strike doesn't matter with rarity correct?

I just take common if I get it

The call also doesn't scale that well with rarity

[opal lodge]

lightning strike common kind of hurts

thats 3 damage youre losing on rare per strike multiplied by global mods

if you get common you def want to pom it once or twice

only 30 is kind of a funny sentence appa

its 36 between common and rare jolted

in other words

60%

[cunning urchin]

Zeus' Aid at common does 70 less than epic per call.

[opal lodge]

imo thats fine

just pom it lol

[lime jolt]

^

[opal lodge]

zeus aid gets 5 dmg per rarity and 20 for first pom

[cunning urchin]

I'll take a common Zeus' Aid, but you definitely feel the difference.

[proven osprey]

One pom in Zeus aid is enough

[opal lodge]

you do feel the difference

but yeah jolted is the most egregious offender for rarity scaling

whereas billowing is on the opposite end of the spectrum

[boreal prism]

I thought higher rarity stuff scaled more with poms? is that not true?

[cunning urchin]

"Enough" for what? lol

[proven osprey]

Not true

[opal lodge]

20-22-24 for common/rare/epic

[cunning urchin]

Pom and rarity bonuses are additive.

[proven osprey]

I mean the gap between common and epic is meaningless since one pom solves it

[opal lodge]

to minimize any rarity difference i imagine is what astaos is saying

yeah

[proven osprey]

Which is not the case for jolted

[lime jolt]

Billowing rarity scaling is 🤢

[proven osprey]

I never pay attention to it, is it really?

[opal lodge]

20-22-24

[proven osprey]

Lmao

[opal lodge]

then like

8% first pom?

[lime jolt]

the pom scaling is like wow

[proven osprey]

Ok that's never gonna make a difference where Zeus call can I guess

Depends on the context

[cunning urchin]

There's a very noticeable difference in DPS with common vs epic call—poms or no poms.

[lime jolt]

really?

I don't notice it with zeus call

[proven osprey]

Well if you don't get to pom it

It's huge

[lime jolt]

yes

But rarity does not matter too much imo

[cunning urchin]

I don't expect you to track your DPS mentally lol.

[proven osprey]

Too many things happening

Call is up I press buttons

[cunning urchin]

The difference in total damage is the same regardless of poms anyway lol.

[opal lodge]

is it really that big of a diff in the dps meter nyaanyaa

genuinely asking for knowledge

[jovial fulcrum]

Double Nova Zooz special is kinda dirty, ngl.

[cunning urchin]

Epic Call with Smoldering Air is very often at the top of my DPS in the Hades fight, common Call basically never is.

70 damage per Call is 700 for 10 calls, factor in Double Strike and global damage modifiers . . . you're missing out on a lot of damage over your run.

Still wouldn't reroll it, I'd rather keep my rolls for Smoldering Air.

[mossy finch]

dude i had a sick run this morning

dionysius + zues + demeter

and the associated duo boons

and eris

it shredded

[jovial fulcrum]

trippy shot eris

[mossy finch]

it was just airstrike the build

and i also had the dionysius boon that gave dammage resistance in the cloud

so by airstrike build i mean calling an airstrike on myself build

[lime jolt]

@raw junco The best build for chaos is generally considered to be zeus special

[raw junco]

Doesn't the lightning effect get cd?

[lime jolt]

The only reason I didn’t try and get Zeus special here was because it’s not as safe as dio

[lime jolt]

Cd?

[gusty rapids]

cooldown

i assume

[lime jolt]

Well the rate of your special on chaos isn’t very high

So cooldown is not a problem

[raw junco]

Got it

[split relic]

Questiom

What does hell mode change

And is it worth doing

[mild raft]

Hell mode starts you off with 5 heat, 1 in Hard Labor, Lasting Consequences, Jury Summons, Calisthenics Program, and a Hell Mode specific pact option called Personal Liability which removes your little invulnerability shield after you take a lot of damage

These are never able to be taken off

Hell mode is helpful at super high heat because you get an extra heat from Personal Liability than you would in a regular save file, but you get stuck with some pretty annoying heat options like CP1 and JS1 that you don't always have on

[static karma]

To answer your question I wouldn’t say hell mode is worth doing

If I want a hell mode file for high heat I’ll just download it

[jovial fulcrum]

Yeah, if I ever wanna do Ultra high heat I'll just download the SR.com hell mode file or something

I don't wanna grind out another file from scratch

[honest wing]

what's the wr for hell mode fresh file

[mild raft]

They time in rta

Also there is no leaderboard for hell mode

[small fable]

Currently debating between getting chaos shield and zeus shield so I just wanted to ask what people preferred and why?

Just to hear some opinions

[turbid needle]

Zeus is hard mode but it was used for world-first max Heat clear.

[mild raft]

Zeus is a lot of fun if you can learn how to use it

[turbid needle]

okay im missing a but idk which one im missing

[dry ember]

post a screenshot of your keepsakes?

[turbid needle]

um i cant for some reason

[dry ember]

post the image to imgur and post link here