#h1-builds-and-combat

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cunning urchin
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You're already off-topic. dusa

turbid needle
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we're gonna be told off

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LOL

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called it

strange lark
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claled it

turbid needle
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shhh

balmy star
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key sentence keep from going off topic dusa

turbid needle
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Charged shot has really fixed my dislike/being bad at bullrush.

strange lark
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hades

turbid needle
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Good looks.

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hades is cool

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ig

balmy star
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hades builds and combat

strange lark
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now we back on topic

turbid needle
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ummm

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I like

proven osprey
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except heat

balmy star
turbid needle
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I feel like I'm always part of going off topic

strange lark
valid prism
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No it was becoming Enter the Gungon-discussion

cunning urchin
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@proven osprey punny.

turbid needle
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Only because I haven't escaped with shield

balmy star
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bro I just be saying s*** pls it's 5:30 am

turbid needle
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whats that chaos gate item called

strange lark
balmy star
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galaxy brain

balmy star
turbid needle
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no

cunning urchin
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@balmy star mods don't like avoiding the swear filter like that. squirtnya

turbid needle
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the charon pool thing one

strange lark
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idk

balmy star
proven osprey
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Mods don't exist

strange lark
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looks like a green pot

jovial fulcrum
turbid needle
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I had 2 light of ixion active at one time

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idk how I did it

turbid needle
jovial fulcrum
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80 damage is a lot of base damage, and it pierces

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and it lets you stay safe

valid prism
valid dagger
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Charged shot has its drawbacks

balmy star
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that plus poseidon cast on styx

jovial fulcrum
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hell, the range lets you be more safe and more aggressive

valid dagger
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Especially on EM4

balmy star
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stupid

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absolutely stupid

turbid needle
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why dont people use the speen on GY

strange lark
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not that good

proven osprey
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Good players do

turbid needle
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:(

jovial fulcrum
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People use it

strange lark
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dont use it unless you have to

turbid needle
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ok

proven osprey
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and bad players do it too

strange lark
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well frick

valid prism
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Generally foes won't let you use the spin without consequences

balmy star
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so am I good or bad

strange lark
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both

balmy star
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don't do this to me

proven osprey
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When you learn Guan Yu you spin, when you know you're bad you don't spin, when you're good you spin again

balmy star
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just have to know your timing

jovial fulcrum
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Yeah. You can spin, you just have to know when you're able to without getting punished for it

balmy star
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easy health regen

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best used on mobs for more hps

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hehe

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health per sec

lime jolt
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It’s more for the damage

proven osprey
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Spin between waves except if you have a good angle for a strong special

lime jolt
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The damage is very good

valid prism
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Astaos knows when to spin with Gy but in exchange, he lost his ability to use Arthur special

proven osprey
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it came with a price

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Oh yeah people idk if you're on the speedrun discord

balmy star
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I'm not personally

proven osprey
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But Arthur is the aspect of the week

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if you want to try fun things

balmy star
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I value my sanity thanks

proven osprey
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I personally don't

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Understandable

balmy star
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astaos moment

valid prism
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What's sanity?

balmy star
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ok question for all of you active

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idk if y'all remember bc I certainly don't atm but

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favorite run you've done that you can remember

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like something that made you feel good

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could be your slowest or fastest idc

strange lark
valid prism
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Joker.

lime jolt
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Probably my first 32/40/50

jovial fulcrum
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Sword in general just kinda grates on me. Maybe I just gotta do some posiden runs with a cast build, so i can get away from Dash Strike simulator

balmy star
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yoooooo

valid prism
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My first 50 clear was the best feeling during 5 sec until I found out OBS wasn't working

lime jolt
cunning urchin
valid prism
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so it turned quickly into worst feeling

valid dagger
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Yea my first 40

proven osprey
lime jolt
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Dis one

valid prism
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First 50 clear is generally incredible

cunning urchin
balmy star
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y'all and your 50 heats

proven osprey
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It felt really good yeah

balmy star
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me and my top being 16

proven osprey
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Retrash may have the WR but he's an EM4 god

cunning urchin
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First try, I might add.

balmy star
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y'all are crazy

cunning urchin
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Some people, it has been told, needed over a month for a mere 50.

proven osprey
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Oh yeha

valid prism
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But don't worry, I came back with a 53 recorded clear instead so I'm fine with this story now squirtdevious

strange lark
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ok

proven osprey
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that 52 with a hammer that was double charged skewer

balmy star
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it's the complete lack of darkness for me

strange lark
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bro i didnt know crabbar was in this server

cunning urchin
proven osprey
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lmao

balmy star
valid prism
strange lark
balmy star
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as sappy as it is I think the one that still has a special place in my heart was my first clear ever

proven osprey
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Poggies

balmy star
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I remember losing to Elysium and hades sooooooooo many times

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especially the former omg

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2 bosses? mental

proven osprey
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Yajijy el pequeño prodigy

turbid needle
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is sub 15 good speedrun time

proven osprey
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Not for any heat

strange lark
turbid needle
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rip

valid prism
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Best victory is the one when you finished a fight with 1 hp and it's still valid squirtdevious

lime jolt
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The WR rn is 5:47 squirtyay

turbid needle
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how

proven osprey
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it's Lili

turbid needle
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thats so speed

proven osprey
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Lili is an ascended being

balmy star
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oh? they beat their 5:56 eris?

cunning urchin
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But my most favoritest run ever was guiding Lady Aphrodite herself on a Lady Aphrodite run. I needed a few weeks afterwards just to process that emotionally, and I still haven't fully processed it.

lime jolt
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Oh is it 5:56

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I can’t remember

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I know it’s 5:xx

balmy star
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I watched it again earlier

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just

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wow

strange lark
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5:57

proven osprey
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5:57

turbid needle
proven osprey
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used to be 5:56 on previous patch

valid prism
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lili is fast for everything: He's the fastest time on any heat, and after clearing 52 heat he was the fastest saying to us "High heat never again"

balmy star
cunning urchin
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It means I was guiding Lady Aphrodite herself on a run to try to get the Disciple of Aphrodite title.

proven osprey
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also RTA world record

lime jolt
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He got both in one runzaglol

turbid needle
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I have no idea what that means but ok

proven osprey
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Real time attack

balmy star
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...

turbid needle
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no

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is aphrodite a player?

balmy star
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voice actor

proven osprey
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yes

turbid needle
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oh

balmy star
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yes

turbid needle
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what''

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ok

balmy star
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she streams and plays hades

turbid needle
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gotcha

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I was so confused

cunning urchin
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https://www.twitch.tv/courtenberry

Twitch
courtenberry - Twitch

Voice actor, improviser, and washed-up star of an animated TV series that lasted 5 episodes. These days, I voice Dusa and Aphrodite in the rogue-like RPG Hades from Supergiant Games (and also voiced Ti'zo in Pyre), and perform improv at The Second City and Upright Citizens Brigade Theater in LA.

▶ Play video
balmy star
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thanazagaera moment

lime jolt
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Go check her out!

strange lark
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got the most tiny animals in one run

turbid needle
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cos aphrodite the goddess in hades and I thought how do u lead her what where how?

proven osprey
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like rats and tiny vermin

strange lark
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yep

balmy star
cunning urchin
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Lady Aphrodite voices Dusa and Courtenberry. 💕

strange lark
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ok

turbid needle
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I understand now, thanks :)

balmy star
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oh does she also voice dusa? cool!

cunning urchin
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Indeed, she does.

turbid needle
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dusa is the equivalent of 🥺 👉 👈

lime jolt
cunning urchin
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She also voices Dusalecto.

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For 3000 Courtenberries, she will say any line you want in Dusa's voice.

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I err.. might spend all my channel points on that.

turbid needle
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cool

proven osprey
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Dusa is basically a roaming Pokémon

turbid needle
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I don't rly watch twitch streams but sounds like fun

cunning urchin
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And I might be asking her to say Alecto lines in Dusa's voice 99% of the time when I do.

valid prism
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Dusa is a Pokemon that basically never goes out of the pokecenter

turbid needle
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what about tisiphone lines in dusa voice bingus_cool

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cool I killed chat pensive_bear

strange lark
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TrAsH gOd

turbid needle
balmy star
turbid needle
valid prism
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fits

turbid needle
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Moment of truth.

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Rock on! Shields done! Charged shot <3

faint sluice
balmy star
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@/courtenberry's

split relic
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Y tf does chiron take so much blood

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To lvl

strange lark
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because it is a non zag aspect

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just like every other aspect that is non zag

balmy star
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^

turbid needle
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aspect costs go 5, 15, 16, 15

balmy star
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15 blood for non-zag aspects

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nvm

split relic
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But rama didn't do that?

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Oh wait nvm

balmy star
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why is the 2nd one 16?

strange lark
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yes it did

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3 per level

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5 levels

split relic
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I'm just surprised bc it goes up to 4 for chiron

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And I never have that much

strange lark
balmy star
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facts

split relic
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3 is so consistent because u can get 3 per run

turbid needle
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no u cant

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well

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fishing ig

strange lark
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and ambrosia

turbid needle
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and styx

balmy star
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fishing??????????

strange lark
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yeah

split relic
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Ye

balmy star
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you can get blood from fishing?

turbid needle
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oh right amby

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yah

split relic
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U can get ambrosia and stuff from it

balmy star
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sheesh

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wtaf

split relic
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SHEESH

lime jolt
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Fish in Greece

turbid needle
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blood amby diamond from hades arena/greece

balmy star
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I've only ever gotten gems keys nectar and mb 1 amby ever

cunning urchin
lime jolt
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Sturgeon will give you blood

split relic
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Also u can get mats from chef turnins

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Right?

turbid needle
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yah

split relic
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But also from the actual catch?

strange lark
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yeah

turbid needle
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the fishies

strange lark
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no

split relic
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Oh ok

balmy star
turbid needle
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no

strange lark
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you get the stuff from the chef

turbid needle
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only from turning in

split relic
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Ok

balmy star
strange lark
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yeah

cunning urchin
strange lark
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legendary fish

balmy star
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only ever caught a bass

split relic
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Alrighty rama "speedrun" now

strange lark
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i have never gotten a legendary fish

balmy star
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how tf do you get a "legendary" fish

strange lark
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perfect timing i think

balmy star
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is there something better than a perfect catch

turbid needle
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learn bob timing

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nah

balmy star
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bc I always get perfect catch

strange lark
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bruh how

balmy star
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damn...

turbid needle
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ur just speed bro

cunning urchin
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Perfect Catch, then it's 50/50 between legendary and rare fish.

balmy star
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I'm just built different

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rng says nah tho

strange lark
balmy star
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bc it knows I'm that good

cunning urchin
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Normal catch is 50/50 between rare and common fish.

balmy star
strange lark
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ok

balmy star
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I jest

strange lark
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ok

balmy star
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I can never tell if you're being passive aggro or not

strange lark
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ok

balmy star
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kinda frickin me up rn

strange lark
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ok

turbid needle
# strange lark ok

legit tho, theres a timing for fake bobs vs real bobs and if u can figure out that timing you don't have to think as hard when a bob happens means faster reaction time

strange lark
turbid needle
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<3

cunning urchin
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Y does chiron take so much to lvl?
@split relic Zag Aspects cost 5 to max out. 2nd and 4th aspects cost 15 to max out. 3rd aspects cost 16 to max out.

split relic
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Huh

balmy star
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titans blood

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idk how else she could word it bc that's literally it

turbid needle
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you buy and upgrade aspects with titan blood

balmy star
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I'm sure they know that

cunning urchin
balmy star
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their zag bow is max

turbid needle
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idk whats confusing then

balmy star
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yeah me neither boss

strange lark
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they just want to know why chiron costs so much to lvl

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read the question

balmy star
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8/10 times I get 3 fake outs then it's the real thing

cunning urchin
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Real bobs have a white flash above the bobber. Fake bobs do not. So don't look at the bobber, look above it.

turbid needle
cunning urchin
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4th bob is always a real one.

balmy star
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^

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the ones that f me up (is that acceptable nyaanyaa) are the first real bob ones

turbid needle
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again it's about learning the fake vs real bob timing

cunning urchin
turbid needle
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that or having insane reaction time

balmy star
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yeah idrgi it's very rare that I get anything other than a first time real bob or 3 fake 4th real

turbid needle
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fake to fake is longer

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always

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and fake to real is relatively fast

split relic
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Dang finished meg with 30 seconds on tde

balmy star
split relic
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Td3*

balmy star
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pog gj

split relic
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Rama too

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Oh got 5:39 for asphodel

turbid needle
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part of the reaction process is determing whether the bob is fake or real

balmy star
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yes time carries over

turbid needle
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if you know it's gonna be fake or real then you can cut out the thinking part

cunning urchin
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You'd need a lot of trials to confirm that. I really don't think there is any truth to that at all.

balmy star
turbid needle
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well every fish I've caught since learning the timing has followed that pattern

cunning urchin
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The timing for a perfect catch is 340ms or less. That's perfectly doable. I do choice reactions much faster than that in fighting games all the time.

turbid needle
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you can try yourself if you want

balmy star
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hades fishing builds

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let's get it

turbid needle
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it works 100% of the time for me

strange lark
balmy star
turbid needle
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my reaction time alone isn't good enough to consistently get perfect catch but after learning the timing I can consistently get perfect catch

balmy star
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whatever floats your boat boss

cunning urchin
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That's anecdotal, though.

turbid needle
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if it works for me it can work for anyone tho

balmy star
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long as you're getting perfect catch idrc how you do it personally

turbid needle
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then try it yourself?

cunning urchin
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Sounds more like confirmation bias to me.

turbid needle
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?

cunning urchin
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You're the one making the claim.

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

balmy star
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that is true

turbid needle
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and if you don't believe me sounds like a you problem

balmy star
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without video proof it's just words in a channel friend

turbid needle
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i know for a fact theres timing involved

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Site your sources.

balmy star
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I could say I did 53 wr heat just now

unique shale
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Got my hands on Gilgamesh today, How good is that?

balmy star
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I beat nyan literally right now

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don't believe me? that's a you problem

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see how it doesn't make sense

turbid needle
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the two are incomparable dude

balmy star
turbid needle
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literally go try it and you'll see that I'm right

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just because something isn't public knowledge up to a certain point doesn't mean it's fake

strange lark
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bruh why we arguing about fishing

split relic
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Alr alr

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2:06 on lernie

balmy star
# turbid needle the two are incomparable dude

literally what are you talking about man I'm not saying I don't believe you, I'm saying how do you expect people to believe you when you don't have video evidence to back up your claim

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it's not an argument I don't think

strange lark
split relic
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?

strange lark
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you talking about the time right?

split relic
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Left

turbid needle
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it's part of the game tho

split relic
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I'm at 7:53 rn

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Igt

strange lark
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oh

turbid needle
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that anyone can see for themselves

split relic
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Lmao

balmy star
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ok that's a reach

turbid needle
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I'm not holding back proof

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you can find it yourself

balmy star
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with all due respect

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I don't care enough to find it myself since you're the one who brought it up in the first place and are so set on it

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you literally claim "it's a part of the game" as if you developed the mechanic yourself

turbid needle
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ok my bad sorry for helping the guy who was struggling with fishing

balmy star
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I wasn't tho?

turbid needle
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I just won't from now on

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not you

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wait it was

cunning urchin
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You're taking this way too personal for no reason.

turbid needle
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I gave you a consistent way to perfect catch and you ignore it

strange lark
balmy star
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bro it's 6:40am I'm just saying anything I want

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don't take it personal shadesmile

turbid needle
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I'm just trying to help :/

cunning urchin
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I don't care enough to do a series of trials to verify an anecdote. I can get perfect catches while reading chat. The fact of the matter is you're making a claim with no evidence for it.

balmy star
mild raft
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If it does help I noticed the timing seems consistent with what they said

cunning urchin
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I asked if you had evidence. You said you don't. That's all there is to it.

turbid needle
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ok suit yourself

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but if I'm helping someone with something stay out of it thanks

jovial fulcrum
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what did i walk in to rowno

mild raft
balmy star
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there's a big difference between helping someone and claiming you figured out a mechanic of a game you didn't even develop

turbid needle
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prove I'm wrong then

cunning urchin
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I don't know if you're helping if I don't know what you say is true and you say you have no evidence.

balmy star
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don't tell someone to stay out of "your" business when this is a public discord channel

turbid needle
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it is true tho?

cunning urchin
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Burden of proof is on you, though.

turbid needle
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if it helped me it can help other people

balmy star
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yes, it possibly can

turbid needle
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what don't youunderstand about that

balmy star
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we're not denying that

turbid needle
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ok

mild raft
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Ok but like it's not that deep

balmy star
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at least I'm not

turbid needle
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like if you dont wanna believe me sure whatever

lime jolt
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I just cover the screen with my thumb for catching.

mild raft
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Literally just prove us right

lime jolt
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It works really well

turbid needle
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but don't let your disbelief stop me helping someone

lime jolt
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To stop fake bobs

cunning urchin
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Or you just simply got better at it and think it's because you figured something out. Corrrelation != causation. There are alternative hypotheses.

balmy star
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I don't think you get my point here

turbid needle
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why are you in such incredible disbelief

balmy star
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I'm not?

turbid needle
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cos I'm some random that knows nothing right

strange lark
valid prism
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Folks, you really want to turn a fish topic into an argue that big? 😦

turbid needle
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did you even try?

strange lark
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no because i had no idea what you are talking about

turbid needle
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omg

mild raft
jovial fulcrum
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wait, the channel is on fire because of fishing?

strange lark
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yep

jovial fulcrum
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lmao why

strange lark
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idk

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stopped paying attention

cunning urchin
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I don't know if you're right. I don't think you are right. I haven't claimed to have evidence either way. You said you have no evidence.

strange lark
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something about a mechanic in the game

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that may or may not be in the game

cunning urchin
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When I take things for a fact, it's because there is evidence for it, not because you're known or not or whatever.

mild raft
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You made a claim no one else can really back up and you haven't backed up yourself

balmy star
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last thing I'll say is don't claim you figured something out unless you have visual undeniable proof of what you did with a timer man, it would really really really help your claim out

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because it made you look like a know it all

mild raft
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Like the best way for you to prove you're right is to do some testing

mild raft
balmy star
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I'm sure they've done lots of testing

mild raft
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That's not the word you mean to use I'm pretty sure

turbid needle
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nyaa, if you discovered something that no one else knew and it was something that could help people, would you tell them about it to help them

balmy star
mild raft
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is all good

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But also just like download obs

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record some fishing

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stitch it together in like Windows Movie Maker

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prove us wrong

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it would be neat to learn something new about this game

jovial fulcrum
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We should probably drop it and move on

turbid needle
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ok

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wait nyaa can u asnwer my question

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like it could be anything about the game

balmy star
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no hard feelings btw

turbid needle
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it's ok, not the first time for me

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I have an example

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ok so yknow how ppl kinda like force sapwns near edges in speedruns?

cunning urchin
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There's no "if". I've shared plenty of my research.

turbid needle
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then I expect to be allowed to do the same

cunning urchin
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Look.

strange lark
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damn i thought we stopped arguing about this

balmy star
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it's their business now

strange lark
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welp

mild raft
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Dms are a thing guys

strange lark
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so take it into the dms

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im tired of reading this

balmy star
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wait I realize my hypocrisy

mild raft
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you can take your ramblings out of the public channel

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anyways ME Chiron thoughts?

cunning urchin
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There is a big difference between sharing research and making a claim without evidence. If I make a claim without evidence and somebody questions me, I don't make a fuss about it because I know I don't have evidence. So I would very much appreciate it if you stopped attacking my character for pointing out you have no evidence.

turbid needle
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I'm not hello?

lucid moth
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someone told me some people were getting mad cuz of fish

cunning urchin
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m done with that condescending tone from you, I think.

lucid moth
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may i ask what just happened lol

balmy star
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don't gaslight her man...

jovial fulcrum
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ME Chiron seems funny with dire misfortune.
Athena Attack, Ares Special, Athena Dash.
Impending Doom, Dire Misfortune.

honest wing
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but won't the long range of it be a problem

mild raft
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big chonky damage

strange lark
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nah

jovial fulcrum
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you dont have to be at range

honest wing
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also the fact that you usually attack first and then special

strange lark
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athena attack and ares special

turbid needle
unique shale
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Or Dionysus Special, Poseidon attack!

mild raft
#

It wouldn't be fast cause you have to proc it with your attack

honest wing
#

yea

mild raft
#

But with DM you'd get tons of stacks

#

so like big chonky damage

honest wing
#

like attack > special > attack/dash

cunning urchin
#

Doom Chiron works better with Curse of Longing.

honest wing
#

which is kinda slow

jovial fulcrum
honest wing
#

still the special is slow

mild raft
#

The special holds you in place for so long tho

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I don't wanna be playing that at close range

jovial fulcrum
balmy star
#

that's why you got div dash shadesmile

jovial fulcrum
#

Ares Special, Vengeful Mood/Holy Shield then pepeclap

#

ez game

cunning urchin
#

Heartbreak Strike, Curse of Pain, Dire Misfortune, Curse of Longing.

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Special stacks Doom, and you get multiple procs of that with Curse of Longing.

jovial fulcrum
split relic
#

Yay I got the companions!

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Which should I use

#

I got megs and thans

strange lark
#

meg

split relic
#

Doesn than do more dmg?

strange lark
#

yes but it has a delay

split relic
#

Ahh

strange lark
#

you know when than runs into you in the middle of a run

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and he does that big purple thing

#

thats the attack of the companion

split relic
#

Ahh ye

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Ooooh

#

And mega I assume is the dash slash?

strange lark
#

meg is faster

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no

split relic
#

THEYRR SO CUTE!!

strange lark
#

just some big explosions in a straight line

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going across the entire screen

cunning urchin
#

Meg is a lot easier to use, and the community has figured out various setups for her in miniboss and boss encounters to get the most out of her. No one's really done that kind of research for Than.

split relic
#

Oki

cunning urchin
#

But don't let that keep you from using whoever you enjoy more.

split relic
#

Would it be fine running on zag bow?

#

Also when should I be using it

strange lark
#

just put a companion on

#

both are great

split relic
#

Since I can only use once

balmy star
#

is there a relation to the direction of the line and where zag is on the screen???

#

because if so that's absolutely game changing for me

strange lark
#

probably

cunning urchin
#

Any companion is honestly good for any aspect.

balmy star
#

I've always been lucky/unlucky with how the lines goes about

split relic
#

Ok

strange lark
cunning urchin
#

Always.

strange lark
#

and the well of charon has an item to give your companion another use

balmy star
#

🤯

split relic
#

Should I focus upgrading it?

#

Or nah

#

What does that do

balmy star
#

just more uses per run

#

caps at 5 uses per run

valid dagger
#

Does Dusa's keepsake work with LC4

#

I assume not

split relic
#

And it pierces fight?

#

Right*

strange lark
#

no healing

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but i think guan yu and cursed slash still give you health

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and SD of course

balmy star
#

imagine a bunch of venn diagrams drawn close together in a line across the screen

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that's the attack

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idk how else to describe it

split relic
#

Lol ok

valid dagger
#

yea ik about those

#

ty

mild raft
#

Please tell me it's not a joke

#

I feel like it's a joke

cunning urchin
#

It's not a joke. That's how Meg's summon works lol.

balmy star
#

i hope it isn't because my mind was frickin blown

mild raft
#

Damn

strange lark
mild raft
#

Why is this never said anywhere wtf

balmy star
#

so if you want it up → down you face either left or right

cunning urchin
#

lol don't worry it took forever in Early Access for that to become public knowledge for some reason.

balmy star
#

and for left → right you face up or down

#

brilliant

split relic
#

Tf

balmy star
#

wait am I confusing perpendicular and parallel lmfao

split relic
#

Yes

balmy star
#

it's 7am don't @ me

#

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

split relic
#

It runs perpendicular iorc

#

Iirc*

cunning urchin
split relic
#

Like facing straight it goes traight out

balmy star
#

ok

mild raft
#

No that is how parallel works

balmy star
#

I thought I was going crazy

split relic
#

That not parallel lol

balmy star
#

damn you humza

split relic
#

Cause ur shoulders are a line

balmy star
#

/s

split relic
#

Going left to right of ur body

#

So technically it's percendicular

cunning urchin
#

For Theseus & Asterius, we tap up on the d-pad at the start of the fight and summon immediately to hit both 100% of the time.

mild raft
#

Nah cause if you're facing straight, your shoulders are going left and right, so the meg summon would go from left to right

split relic
#

Das weird

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But ok

#

Wait so for a faster run

mild raft
#

That's geometry baby

split relic
#

Would I need to kill both asterius and theseus at same time?

#

Or about

mild raft
#

#hades-builds-and-geometry

split relic
#

Cause rn I still just focus asterius

valid dagger
#

Yes

#

on a faster run you phase out both

strange lark
split relic
#

Ok

valid dagger
#

as fast as possible

mild raft
#

If you wanna speed zoom you want to be damaging both of them at the same time

split relic
#

Oh

mild raft
cunning urchin
split relic
#

Ok

#

So would I dash up to them and summon to hit them both?

cunning urchin
#

Going after Theseus generally works best because Asterius will stay close to you anyway.

split relic
#

Ok

cunning urchin
#

I start off with Meg, then dash behind Theseus, apply Boiling Blood to him, then try to hit both as much as possible, pretty much.

split relic
#

Ok

cunning urchin
#

Sometimes Asterius yeets himself away because he's drunk and can't aim, so you're not always gonna be able to hit both. Just gotta try to make the best of it.

#

Sometimes Asterius yeets Theseus away.

split relic
#

Lol

#

Ok

keen elm
#

speaking of elysium fight

#

is it easiest to completely kill asterius, then deal with theseus?

#

thats what ive been doing the whole time

strange lark
#

yeah

#

for newer players

keen elm
#

whats the "optimal" strat

strange lark
#

because dealing with his second phase with bull around is gonna be really hard for newer players

strange lark
keen elm
#

what would that be

#

does their behaviour change depending on which you kill/ get to p2 first?

strange lark
#

||meg||, then dash behind theseus, apply boiling blood to theseus, then start killing them

strange lark
#

just a couple of voice lines

split relic
#

How do I use meg?

#

Seems to be a big spread

#

So I can't do.muc dmg

somber drum
#

Also if you put Theseus into phase 2 Asterius also goes into phase 2 no matter what his remaining health is.

split relic
#

I tried it on lernirr

keen elm
strange lark
#

oh frick

#

you didnt see that

valid dagger
#

Its for later

keen elm
#

wait are you talking about ||companions||

strange lark
#

yes

valid dagger
#

yea

keen elm
#

i just havent gotten ||meg's|| yet

strange lark
keen elm
#

wait so

split relic
#

So how do I do dmg

keen elm
#

does the strat work without said thing?>

split relic
#

I barely broke the hydra heads armor with it

strange lark
split relic
#

Ok

strange lark
#

use it to kill the main head

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you should use it for the first phase or the last phase

keen elm
#

what does ||meg's companion|| do

strange lark
#

big spread of explosions in a straight line

keen elm
#

ah

strange lark
#

dealing 2500 damage

keen elm
#

and why is that good for elysium

#

ohhh

strange lark
#

yeah

#

can get both of them

keen elm
#

whats the speedrun strat for other bosses, if theyre applicable with any weapon

strange lark
#

its like the same thing

keen elm
#

i see
dont think ill really limit myself to any specific builds just to minmax bc i wanna try new things and have fun

cunning urchin
keen elm
#

i didnt know that was a thing

#

though its hard to notcie with overtime 2

#

i just hit space whenever i see an anticipation animation

#

and for some reason that makes it easier for me to dodge

#

since less timing

cunning urchin
#

The attacks themselves aren't any faster when enemies are enraged. There's just less delay between attacks.

#

Theseus becomes enraged if Asterius dies first.

cunning urchin
#

EM2 FO2 is the go-to pact for speedruns.

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Sometimes FO1, rarely FO0.

#

EM2 groups Lernie's heads together, so the fight is just faster.

keen elm
#

i love FO 2

valid dagger
#

Who doesnt love fo2

cunning urchin
#

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Generic information
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These are good if you want to go fast. Just be mindful of potential spoilers.

keen elm
#

oo

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ty

gusty rapids
#

speedrun strat = unga bunga me click buttons

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me go fast

faint sluice
cunning urchin
#

We didn't end up getting the Disciple of Aphrodite title that run anyway because even though we met all the requirements, and I made sure we avoided meeting requirements for any other titles . . . I completely forgot there was a title for doing a run that takes over 60 minutes, and er . . . that run did take over 60 minutes.

strange lark
#

lmao rip

valid dagger
#

big rip

cunning urchin
#

So it was a 50% chance to get Disciple of Aphrodite and a 50% chance to get Slow and Steady.

#

We got Slow and Steady lol.

faint sluice
#

yay thank youu

split relic
#

WOOOH I LOVE TD3

#

kill me

strange lark
#

ok

faint sluice
strange lark
#

bruh why would you max zag sword

#

not talking about ||the prophecy||

fair cairn
#

it's pretty good so why not

strange lark
#

i want zag sword to be good

keen elm
#

other than that idk

strange lark
#

but it just doesnt work with me

keen elm
#

i only like arthur aspect of sword tbh

strange lark
#

wait what skelly thing

keen elm
#

and even then it feels too slow, i just like being able to do thousands of damage

keen elm
# strange lark wait what skelly thing

||when you gift him ambrosia he says to kill him with a maxed zag aspect sword to kill him for good so he can 'escape' but it turns out to be a prank||

strange lark
#

oh

strange lark
#

lemme try it

keen elm
#

im pretty sure thats to let players understand that putting 5 titan blood into a weapon is a criteria for getting the hidden aspect

keen elm
strange lark
#

just give me a build

fair cairn
#

arty attack and go ham from there?

#

zeus attack is also viable

strange lark
#

but zeus might work tho

fair cairn
#

zag sword attack go brrrrrrr

real orchid
#

is the attack combo for ME fist builds just hold attack and dash back and forth through enemies? or should i be specifically trying to do dash attacks and using my demeter special when it's up?

strange lark
#

just hold attack and dash

#

i dont think you should special

real orchid
#

okay sounds good, ty

#

next comes sub 14 😤

#

although i need to finish mirror and get meg || companion || before i can practice very consistently

#

for some reason she doesnt have the gift option available when she shows up lately

strange lark
#

||she needs to talk to you in your chambers||

#

to unlock the heart

#

every character has that

#

||just keep killing her and eventually she will appear in your room||

#

dont remove the spoiler above if you dont wanna know how to unlock the heart

real orchid
#

ahh i see so it's just a waiting game now

#

thanks

strange lark
#

yeah

real orchid
#

man playing with 0% dark foresight is so wack

#

i get so many darkness and gem rooms

strange lark
#

why do you have that off

real orchid
#

cause i needed to grind darkness to at least be able to afford a single reroll token

strange lark
#

dont do that

#

just play on a lower heat level

#

when you kill bosses they will give you darkness

real orchid
#

hmm

strange lark
#

50, 100, 150, 250

real orchid
#

but then i dont get that juicy titan blood

#

oh wow nvm

#

that's so much

#

i'll just do that lmao

fair cairn
#

chaos, poseidon and dark thrist also adds to that

#

you can easily get 1-1.2K per run

visual jungle
#

Anyone think chiron is op?

strange lark
#

it is op

#

its a brain dead bow aspect

#

shoot

#

special

#

special

#

special

#

win

visual jungle
#

Yeah

#

Just wanted to see if anyone else felt it was haha

#

It feels too easy

fair cairn
#

balanced by piss poor AOE potential

strange lark
#

bruh what

#

tf does that mean

real orchid
#

in which case it's #2 non-eris weapon

visual jungle
#

Unless you're Chinese?

strange lark
#

im right here

split bolt
#

?????????????????

fair cairn
#

you gotta explain that

real orchid
#

the speedrunner who got #2 non-eris with chiron was chinese

strange lark
#

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

fair cairn
#

I'm not aware of any speedrunning differences in Hades that has to do with language

real orchid
#

that was the entire joke

fair cairn
#

that's a pretty poor joke

strange lark
#

man speaks chinese which means hes good at hades

real orchid
#

no one else has even come close with chiron

#

that i've seen at least

strange lark
#

everybody knows that if you are born in china then you are a god at hades

fair cairn
#

or because they are good and dedicated to practicing the game

#

and got great RNG

real orchid
#

it obviously has nothing to do with him being chinese

strange lark
real orchid
#

he's just insane at chiron

split bolt
#

you know those 5 year old chinese violin prodigies? china has prodigies for gamers too, but only on chiron bow

real orchid
#

BECAUSE IT WAS A JOKE

strange lark
#

BRUH

visual jungle
split bolt
#

pretty terrible joke ngl

real orchid
#

alright my bad

strange lark
#

also why you gotta say that in front of me

fair cairn
real orchid
#

i'm sorry i didn't mean to offend anyone, i didn't think anyone would take it seriously

#

obviously it was purely skill/good rng as well cause no one has ever come close to that score

proven osprey
#

Well the fish arc was pretty intense

visual jungle
#

Fish arc?

real orchid
#

is aspect of ||gilgamesh|| good or is demeter just way better

turbid needle
#

demeter is just kinda better tbh

opal lodge
#

both can be true

#

gilg is good for certain things

#

but dem is probably better yes

turbid needle
#

like for being slow and getting hit?

opal lodge
#

lol

lime jolt
#

@idle carbon In my opinion, AP>RI

idle carbon
#

ap1 maybe

lime jolt
#

Yeah

#

AP2 at 45 is stinky

#

So is RI

idle carbon
#

I'm perfectly okay with RI2

lime jolt
#

Just don’t do eithersquirtyay

idle carbon
#

got used to it

#

ap2 just ruins it

lime jolt
#

Yeah I normally run AP1 at 45

idle carbon
#

wish I could do 50 without ap2

#

but then there is em4 which is x5 worse

lime jolt
#

You can do AP1 at 50

idle carbon
#

so yea I'll just do 45, 50 is only possible with hestia for me

lime jolt
#

Max JS and CP

idle carbon
lime jolt
#

It’s worth it

idle carbon
#

only difference between my 45 and 50 is

lime jolt
#

Imo

idle carbon
#

ap0 and ap2

#

lol

lime jolt
#

RI stinky

idle carbon
#

RI2 is gooooood

#

RI3 stinky

lime jolt
#

RI2 not good

idle carbon
#

RI2>AP2

lime jolt
#

Nah

idle carbon
lime jolt
#

AP2>RI2

opal lodge
#

maybe it depends on the aspect huh fellas

idle carbon
#

guess it comes down to personal prefs

lime jolt
#

Probably

idle carbon
lime jolt
#

Brights just like lemme shut up these nerds

idle carbon
#

also this discussion

#

sorta belongs in the other channel

#

I think

cunning urchin
#

AP2+RI2>

misty sun
#

What would be a good build for the bow (as I've been wanting to try that out)?

real orchid
turbid needle
#

You ever skip Eurydice's room on a practice-ish speedrun attempt LIKE AN IDIOT?

#

hush, Nyaa, we already know you don't

real orchid
#

i've done it before when fishing for ME

#

don't hate

#

😔

austere hollow
#

My first time trying for ME, I had it in the 5th room. That was my 2nd clear.

real orchid
#

that sounds like a fun run lmao

real orchid
#

how do i build rama bow for clearing as fast as possible? so far i've gotten sub 15 with almost all zeus (a splash of artemis for cc) but unless i get zeus legendary early it feels a little tacky

solid sable
#

me after getting sea storm for the first time:

#

friendship ended with athena , now zeus and pos is my best firend

honest wing
#

yes

static karma
#

Aphrodite or Artemis for attack on Zag bow?

dusky drum
#

either works

#

you can run aphro and get heart rend setup easier

#

or if you want more crits just go arte

#

just if you want more crits or less crits but heavier

turbid needle
#

whats zag base crit chance?

dusky drum
#

15%

#

for the bow iirc

#

like 3 per level thanthink

turbid needle
#

ok

surreal wasp
#

i usually build lucifer around attack but does anyone build it around the special

boreal prism
#

I usually build it around the special

#

The attack is just a remote detonator

surreal wasp
#

what boon do you put on the special?

celest lantern
#

is Sigil of the Dead any good?

#

for a call that takes 50% gauge, I just can't see how a simple cloaking can be useful...

#

compared, to, like, athena

boreal prism
#

I'll put big damage on luci special, like artemis or aphro

#

Or sometimes I put zeus, to make the bombs detonate themselves

#

Poseidon special luci can be fun for like... area control

#

I think sigil of the dead is worse than other calls because you can guarantee it

#

If it was better then no one would take any other call

celest lantern
#

does smoldering air just prevent you from using it?

#

(+1% gauge / 0.2 second, capped at 25%)

boreal prism
#

Maybe?

#

I don't think it'll offer you smoldering air if you have hades call, so you'll have to get it and then purge your call and then equip sigil

celest lantern
#

also, the thing you said about it having to be bad doesn't hold up

#

it's the opposite, in fact

#

you're using up your keepsake slot to get that call

#

why would you use that slot on something bad?

#

that prevents you from getting any other, better call?

#

the point of it taking up a slot is what is supposed to make it better, or at least on par with olympians' calls

boreal prism
#

It takes up a slot but it's guaranteed

celest lantern
#

is the gauge easier to charge than I think it is? you're only getting 1 call per encounter (at least for that one), afaik, and it doesn't even do damage

#

even for those that are guaranteed, what's the point of guaranteeing something that's only usable a handful of times per encounter?

boreal prism
#

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

jovial fulcrum
#

I'm pretty sure you can't select Sigil of the Dad when you have smoldering air, similar to how you can't select it when you have another call

tired snow
#

I actually found the hades call to be obscenely useful and useful pretty frequently. At max you're invisible and invincible while dealing more damage. I love it for crit builds

jovial fulcrum
#

It used to work in older versions of the game, I'm told, but no longer

#

yeah, you generally want Sigil or Acorn going in to Styx.

#

depends on if you need help dealing damage, or need help not dying

turbid needle
#

theres just simply better keepsakes

#

and better calls

#

in my opinion at least

#

but sigil isn't total trash I just never use it

tired snow
#

There is for sure, I think it's main plus is how frequently you can use it at full power

celest lantern
#

why, does it charge faster than others?

#

do all calls charge at a different rate?

jovial fulcrum
#

It starts at

#

uh

#

30%?

tired snow
#

It starts in every chamber at 30%

celest lantern
#

ohhh, right, the use bonus...

tired snow
#

Then there's a bunch of boons that charge your gauge faster and the more damage you do the faster it charges

turbid needle
#

some aspects are better at charging call than others

tired snow
#

On crit builds I've been able to use it multiple times per room depending. Multiple times for bosses

jovial fulcrum
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

Sigil of Dad has its uses. Its definitely one of the better keepsakes

boreal prism
#

Theres no way its better than bone hourglass

#

:P

jovial fulcrum
#

Keepsakes are kind of hard to rate against eachother.

#

the olympinian keepsakes mostly are what makes it awkward imo

turbid needle
#

mostly depends on if you like dying or not

#

I always just slapped tooth on and that was it

#

but to be fair when I did casual runs, that was still in nighty night so there were less keepsakes in general

boreal prism
#

Is it ever good to use an Olympian keepsake in styx?

#

Besides maybe hermes

jovial fulcrum
#

I can't see a reason for it

turbid needle
#

at styx you most likely already hit your god cap for that run

honest wing
#

what if I tried to make the biggest god pool

#

take different keepsakes every biome

#

and grab every natural new appearing god

boreal prism
#

you stop getting naturally appearing gods after you hit the cap

jovial fulcrum
#

maybe if you're going for the epilogue and you have one more invitation to hand out, i could see forcing a god in styx

#

that's like the only instance I can reasonably think of though

honest wing
turbid needle
#

im pretty sure they just wont appear then

cunning urchin
#

Sigil is still very common in speedruns.

#

But not in every single speedrun anymore like it was when you only needed 25% for a Lesser Call lol.

jovial fulcrum
turbid needle
#

oh really I thought it was different, my bad

jovial fulcrum
#

Yeah, it doesn't come up often

#

but if you get your build by the end of Apshodel, you can mess around in Elysium trying to high roll with some duo off a fifth god lol

#

I've done it looking for Smoldering air once or twice

cunning urchin
#

One of the December challenges is getting boons from 9 different gods—or 10 gods for the extra challenge. squirtnya

honest wing
#

oooooo

jovial fulcrum
#

Fated Authority, this is your time pogslide

cunning urchin
#

That's the one.

magic rivet
#

You forgot the best god, Bouldy

honest wing
#

well AAACKTUALLY bOuLdY iSnT A GoD, He'S JuSt a RoCk

#

what's the lore behind the bouldy buffs tho, is it just a sentient rock who believes in Zagreus so much?

magic rivet
#

Placebo effect

valid dagger
#

bouldy is a god lets not talk about this

magic rivet
#

And with Charon's loyalty card...

valid prism
#

Bouldy is known to be the boulder which travelled the most in the world

honest wing
#

is there any point of smoldering air without billowing strength or second wind

cunning urchin
#

Absolutely.

#

You get to use a Call at minimum every 5 seconds.

honest wing
#

I have that proud bearing and zeus aid

#

styx small rooms are kinda fast tho

cunning urchin
#

Proud Bearing and Zeus' Aid can clear Styx rooms by themselves, yeah.

honest wing
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I now also have epic quick favor

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call goes brrrr

cunning urchin
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lol nice.

honest wing
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I now also have double strike

valid dagger
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Time to mash the Call button

honest wing
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yes

jovial fulcrum
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30% Plume
Zag Fist
Ruthless Reflex
eyes1

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also hyper delivery

proven osprey
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Proud bearing is very nice for room clear

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You want to get it rather early in your run though, won't watter much at the end of a tunnel

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Except if you're speedrunning with the Sigil I guess

honest wing
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I got it before styx

hollow wraith
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omg noooooooooo I had hades down to 15% hp on last phase em4 but I got careless and died

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So mad I could have had him that time

balmy star
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would y'all take priv status or fam fav on guan yu?

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trying to make up my mind

opal lodge
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fam fav all day anyday

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priv status overrated

balmy star
limber cloak
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priv stats for good sound effects

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fam fav if you want dmg

opal lodge
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^

balmy star
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lmao

proven osprey
opal lodge
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i dont even run it on pash flare beo

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too inconsistently active

proven osprey
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But

opal lodge
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but

limber cloak
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i think i dont even have darkness in ps in the mirror LOL

proven osprey
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Oh man I need to upload my beo 50

opal lodge
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ya

limber cloak
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i used to use it for casual runs, but then i reset my mirror once

proven osprey
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You have to see the Hades fight