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#h1-builds-and-combat
strange lark
and it counts for all damage
orchid pike
how do u deal with the witch mini-boss room on fists :/
split relic
Ok
strange lark
how do u deal with the witch mini-boss room on fists :/
you walk up to them and you slap them
orchid pike
but they tanky
strange lark
they are a mini boss for a reason
split relic
Try and take athena dash or special imo
orchid pike
and send lotsa purple things :/
split relic
Just for that
somber drum
how do u deal with the witch mini-boss room on fists :/
If you're lucky you have Divine dash otherwise you just have to rely on that classic video game panacea
strange lark
for beginners i would recommend getting athena dash for every run
limber cloak
make sure youre targeting the side witches first
split relic
Ye
limber cloak
dont stay in the center
strange lark
once you get good at the game then you dont need it
limber cloak
or you'll get attacked from every side
orchid pike
with speedy enemies pact they just destroy me :/
limber cloak
do you not have companions
you can meg three or four witches
which strips their amour
orchid pike
i do but almost never remember to use them :>
limber cloak
then you can deal with them easily
ah, i used to be the same
it just comes with habit
strange lark
stand at the bottom right and wait for them to stop moving and then meg
gets most of them
limber cloak
its hard to know how to do that from a text explanation
the four witch meg is hard
but i can link you a vid for the three witch meg
strange lark
but he only got 2
limber cloak
and explains how to meg every miniboss in the game
strange lark
or you can do that
somber drum
Skelly might be a more idiot proof if less effective way to eliminate a witch or two for free.
orchid pike
oki
strange lark
nice
orchid pike
will check it out ty
stable compass
urgh.. what is going on.. why do i keep dying when it's just RI1 with TD
turbid needle
pick some other pacts
lime jolt
Um don't use RI
lime jolt
pick some other pacts
^
orchid pike
think i'm gonna go ruthless dash on everything to force me to git gud
real orchid
if i already have breaching cross (fist dash attack shreds armor) should i pick long knuckle for range or rolling knuckle for infinite combo with it?
i do have athena attack so long knuckles seems strong
cunning urchin
Rolling Knuckle for DPS. Long Knuckle for safety.
real orchid
alright thanks i'll go long knuckle then cause im not great with fists
split relic
Right now I'm using aspect of zagreus on ages with deadly strike and double hit do you think that will work?
split relic
Okie
split bolt
does the eris aspect's special bonus stack?
or does it just stay at the base % no matter how many times you bomb urself
split bolt
thank you for letting me know
sweet hornet
got to room 7 in the challenge, but forgot I also had to exit the boon screen right after unpausing, died immediately
real orchid
what are the best daedalus hammer upgrades for railgun? i ended up picking the three round burst upgrade so that i wouldnt have to reload but now i feel like i do no damage and rely almost entirely on triple shot special even with zeus attack and artemis arrows
dusky drum
ummm which rail??
base rail??
thats really open to whatever since imo its super boring and just bad
while eris and hestia have very much more preferred hammers
dusky drum
ahh triple/spread bomb is always fun
delta chamber is also pretty good from my experience
if you can make it work rocket it super good
real orchid
i guess the fact i have 1200 obols rn might be part of why i do no damage now that i think about it
dusky drum
lmao maybe
real orchid
worth it for the blood tho
real orchid
oh wow tyvm this looks great
split relic
Is chiron bow any good?
real orchid
i think chiron bow is supposed to be the best but im not sure
it definitely feels really good to me
cunning urchin
It's not the best. It's very safe, however.
cunning urchin
Rama.
real orchid
i wanna unlock rama so bad but achilles wont talk to me 😔
split relic
y rama?
split relic
i wanna unlock rama so bad but achilles wont talk to me 😔
P sure u unlock it from artemis?
real orchid
yeah but you have to unlock guan yu first
split relic
Ahhh
cunning urchin
Rama has ridiculous DPS.
lime jolt
hera is probably the best for speedrunning
dusky drum
bow is just 
cunning urchin
Hera can scale higher, but at high heat, you're dealing with pacts that weaken your build and burst damage. Rama shreds DC2, and all you need for damage is Deadly Strike.
In fact, all you need is Shackle, and in Tartarus, nothing at all really.
split relic
Dam
static ibex
taking notes, Rama with Deadly Strike
cunning urchin
Chiron has trouble dealing with high JS and is hurt more by DC than Rama.
static ibex
well I've done all the shield builds and honestly I don't like any of them. I guess Beowulf is most fun since I can hit hard with it
split relic
Does the bloodstone DMG buff only work with onw bloodstone
Or does it stack for each one?
cunning urchin
You probably haven't done half the shield builds yet. I know I haven't. 
@split relic just one.
Doesn't stack.
dusky drum
yea boiling is also a "you have the buff or dont"
hence why i generally dont touch cast unless its a cast build
or duo req reasons
since you get a 50% damage buff whenever as long as one is lodged
turbid needle
I have been playing this game wrong
cunning urchin
Did you think Boiling Blood stacked?
turbid needle
yeah
cunning urchin
cunning urchin
turbid needle
I never looked at the numbers so nothing seemed odd to me
dusky drum
yea whenever i fight a boss/miniboss i start off with throwing out 1 cast
proven osprey
It depends on the aspect you play
cunning urchin
Well, it's possible they were all even.
dusky drum
just for the damage
turbid needle
it makes more sense if it doesnt stack tho 
proven osprey
You would have noticed if Hestia
turbid needle
doesnt change much honestly
cunning urchin
Ah yes.
proven osprey
he does not need to stack it to one shot me :D
cunning urchin
Hades the deer god.
turbid needle
other than me trying to lodge 3 casts at once into bosses
proven osprey
other than me trying to lodge 3 casts at once into bosses
Well that's huge lmao
cunning urchin
he does not need to stack it to one shot me :D
But he one-shot you with the Cast already. Boiling Blood is unnecessary.
proven osprey
This is the main reason I avoid the cast yeah
Now that I think of it, it's really rare that it hits me
turbid needle
I often have athena dash and it gets deflected easily
proven osprey
Yeah it's nice
cunning urchin
lol Haelian has Twin Shot Curse of Agony + Deadly Flourish, and chat is like Chiron is slow.
Deadly Flourish start, too.
Maybe he brought this on himself.
cunning urchin
He is.
proven osprey
What heat?
cunning urchin
- All aspects speedrun.
proven osprey
Oh I see
honest wing
what if I tagged haelian 😳
cunning urchin
Rumor has it he has to do a Crystal Beam run every time he gets pinged.
split relic
I was using deadly strike and double hit on zag
split bolt
the hades fight in early runs is just cast cast cast
cunning urchin
Get Heartbreak Strike + Zeus' Aid, and go for Smoldering Air.
That should speed things up, and activating any Call gives i-frames, so having a Call every 5 seconds or less will help with avoiding damage.
split relic
I got the hang of rama at least
orchid pike
i can unlock rama and then one of beo or gilga
i'm tempted to go gilga cuz of how hard its memed at
turbid needle
gilga rly isnt worth it 
cunning urchin
It's fun. It's just not particularly good at speed or high heat.
You can still have fun with it, though.
cunning urchin
It's a Cast aspect.
cunning urchin
You load your Casts similar to Hera, and when you do a Bull-Rush, they all explode at the end of your rush.
orchid pike
hera but cool
cunning urchin
Hera is cool.
sweet hornet
zag fists with a starting long knuckle hammer + athena attack soon is close to top tier for the challenge
silver summit
it's hard to use but when you can use it well then it's gooood
tired snow
What's your favorite boons to go with it? I love having hangover or doom effects with the special
orchid pike
so is beo's whole playstyle bull rushing towards walls while fully loaded up on casts?
proven osprey
Dash strike > Bullrush > load casts during the rush. I do 1 load, 2 load alternatively. Then I dash in where my casts are to continue
I do this rotation to always have a cast in my dragon rush basically
Since I'm not an expert
boreal prism
What's your favorite boons to go with it? I love having hangover or doom effects...
Hangover on special feels a lot better than doom i find
Stacks high and eats enemies
I think it's important to get damage increase on the rama attack instead of hangover or doom.. you get more synergy with the suffering effect that way
tired snow
True true, if that comes up it's probably much more worthwhile, but if you gotta get daddy dio then might as well get that hangover. I agree the hangover effect is probably more effective than doom though
orchid pike
why is asterix bull rushing towards theresa wtf
proven osprey
Tag team moves to impress the crowd
opal vortex
Is there any place for "dash nova" in speed-running? The extra utility of leaping around is pretty good...
jovial fulcrum
Stygius speedruns usually reset for double edge, in I'm not mistaken
so you would really get dash nova until elysium, if at all
mild raft
Dash nova seems cute at first until you realize how little you actually want that mobility whenever you're using your special
opal vortex
I have no idea how to manipulate a "seed" so I should probably just stfu about speedrunning
but I just got my best ever clear time using dash nova, so...
orchid pike
why doesnt hades have pvp
opal vortex
Why doesn't Hades of Workshop support?
jovial fulcrum
why doesnt hades
mild raft
but I just got my best ever clear time using dash nova, so...
That's not necessarily because you got dash nova, you could just be getting better as a player
opal vortex
That's not necessarily because you got dash nova, you could just be getting bett...
Fo sho
mild raft
Dash nova just makes sword play differently and you have to adapt to that mid run if you want to make the most of it
most players just stay away from it and try to go for hammers like Double Edge or Double Nova
jovial fulcrum
If you just took Hades like it right now and added a PVP arena, it would be the most Rocket-Tag pvp you've ever seen.
opal vortex
It would be interesting if you let both players run through the game as normal and both players can see the others' boons and health
opal vortex
either player can initiate the pvp fight at any moment
and the other gets x number of seconds to prepare
jovial fulcrum
it would just be who can shot the other guy with Hestia first
lime jolt
@split relic poseidon aid + rip current + smoldering is good tho
opal vortex
I kinda like the idea of merging the standard game skill with the pvp aspect though
orchid pike
no need for balancing
orchid pike
let the good players make fun of others by playing "bad" aspects
opal vortex
ok, this is getting toxic. Baiii
orchid pike
pvp is inherently toxic
turbid needle
whaaa
orchid pike
better get used to it
split relic
Hmmm would that work with zag aegis
orchid pike
cuz pvp is coming fast
split relic
And deadly strike
balmy star
chaos or beo?
static ibex
beo
balmy star
why?
static ibex
more fun for me at least. I like to hit hard
balmy star
a very fair answer
static ibex
chaos is a more defensive style, beo more offensive
balmy star
just wanna know what to pick for this run
static ibex
I just ran through all shield aspects as I work my way through 20 heat and honestly I didn't like any of them 😉
Though Beo was the most fun, so I'm sticking with that
balmy star
dio for cast? havent played shield in awhile
static ibex
i don't like Dio + Beo
balmy star
hm maybe arte
static ibex
since the fog lasts longer and you can't recharge your rush
balmy star
ah very true
slim lynx
i think zeus shield is to be played kind of like zag shield but you have to constantly be using your special since it's your main damage source
static ibex
i've been running zeus/poseidon and was happy with that
slim lynx
since the fog lasts longer and you can't recharge your rush
use stygian soul
flood flare is generally the best cast, thunder flare is yucky bad from what i've heard
balmy star
lemme ask in high heat
static ibex
yeah poseidon on cast
zeus on special
i like the zeus/artemis duo which makes it cast lightning when the casts are uncollected
so you do a nice rush for damage, then the lightning starts until you collect again
slim lynx
sea storm sucks on flood flare
because it doesn't even work on flood flare lol
lightning rod is nice but if you're running a cast build then it sucks for fairly obvious reasons
static ibex
havn't tried stygian soul, i'll try it next time
serene geyser
I love Stygian Soul
slim lynx
stygian soul is considered to only be good for dio cast but it's also debatable whether it's best for slicing shot and crystal beam too
serene geyser
I just like being able to Cast repeatedly without having to worry about pickups, so I can focus on spacing and movement independent of it.
surreal wasp
rama build advice?
fervent elbow
slim lynx
Aspect of Rama- Build this exactly like zag bow, but since you can't get flurry, pick up either twin/triple + perfect/point blank. Put Zeus or Dionysus on the special for some extra damage from your special
balmy star
hera imo
turbid needle
imo chiron but a lot will say rama
split relic
Hmm
balmy star
lists literally every aspect other than zag kekw
turbid needle
hera is used to stack cast damage into your bow shot
split relic
Ye
Since those give more dmg for maxing it
Is chiron any good?
I used rama and it seems cool
But idk
slim lynx
chiron can be good at lvl 1 with drunken flourish i think
split relic
Oki
slim lynx
rama is great at lvl 1 but is so much better at lvl 5
split relic
Ahh
Which does better at high heat?
I wanna use one weapon and try to hit 10+ heat from 4 this month
split relic
Hmm
turbid needle
since you aren't relying on perfect shots
split relic
Ig I'll unlock chiron and see which I like more
turbid needle
its just homing special
split relic
Ye
slim lynx
chiron is considered bad at high heat
split relic
Y is rama good at high heat?
turbid needle
focus on getting a strong special boon
slim lynx
most people tell me it's just bad zag bow because the special is so slow
turbid needle
yeah but at low heat it's fine and it's very beginner friendly
slim lynx
rama deals with many heat options well
split relic
Ahh
I mean tru
It seems powerful and rn mines lvl1
And I got a hang of the powr shot
slim lynx
especially jury summons and damage control (still don't take jury summons if you can)
split relic
Tho I ended up forgetting timing for zag bow
balmy star
no one's answered my Q in high heat strats F
split relic
What should I take for 4 hea
turbid needle
at the end of the day, whicherver weapon you are best at and enjoy the most is the best weapon
split relic
Rn I'm using max jury and 1 of the new boss.moves
slim lynx
how long do your runs take?
split relic
Lemme check
slim lynx
your runs take so long because you're dealing with 60% more enemies
orchid pike
i find jury one of the fun heats
split relic
What should I put on then?
slim lynx
if you can easily clear in 27 minutes or less then turn on td2
orchid pike
idc bout speedrunning tho
split relic
What's td
real orchid
should i invest all my titan blood into chiron or wait until i unlock rama
it's already at level 3 but i've been saving since
split relic
should i invest all my titan blood into chiron or wait until i unlock rama
Imo get rama
real orchid
and achilles is never around when i get back from runs so this is taking forever
orchid pike
kill urself at tartarus over and over
turbid needle
dont kys at tartarus just progress naturally smh
otherwise you kill your enjoyment
turbid needle
lol
real orchid
i think i'm making progress towards destroying orpheus's contract or smth cause they keep talking about his contract and i unlocked the archives room recently so i guess i'll keep playing normally
idk what event this dialogue is building up to but it seems like that's where it's headed
split relic
How do I start that?
orchid pike
get nyx to 5 hearts
split relic
The list in my room got the quest
orchid pike
that one's important
split relic
Oh
slim lynx
How do I start that?
there's a good speedrunning guide with information on how to go fast aside from just killing things quickly
split relic
Oki
Also is fist or shield any good?
So far I've been choking shield hades
And fists feel off
turbid needle
Yes, both are very good.
I'd say Rail, Fists, and Shield are best weapons, in no particular order.
slim lynx
rail require a good build to actually have good damage output
aside from aspect of hestia
split relic
Wut about fists?
So far for shield I've used zag shield with double.hit and deadly strike only
ornate quarry
@split relic shield is amazing
The fact you can block incoming damage indefinitely is crazy
turbid needle
I lose my steam with the fists at asterius/styx
serene geyser
Just unlocked Rama. I didn't understand what all the hype was about until now
holy crap is it a power trip
serene geyser
When I can do reliable single target DPS with the Special designed to enhance my Attack, I think it's sufficiently cranked.
jovial fulcrum
Dio is pretty great, though you want to use Stygian.
Posiden is also fin
I haven't played around too much with non-dio casts on Beowoulf really
limber cloak
dionysus cast on beo works with stygian soul because it allows you to regen casts much faster than the normal trippy shot cooldown
you do need extra casts with dio beo though
limber cloak
flood shot beo also works because it allows easy access to mirage shot
crush shot beo is also fine
split relic
Rn I'm rocking floodshot beo with +1 from chaos
And deadly strike
To hope for mirage shot
limber cloak
pretty much every cast except ares and dem works well on beo id say
slim lynx
i wanna try to do a slicing flare run with beo sometime
cunning urchin
Crush shot deadly strike
On Hera, the goal with Crush Shot is Snow Burst + Ravenous Will. Deadly Strike is nice but not really core to the build. You'd do the same with Beowulf if you take Passion Flare.
split relic
Wuts passion flare, also y snow burst and ravenous?
I've only ever done deadly strike crush shot
And maybe heartrend
cunning urchin
Passion Flare is Lady Aphrodite's Cast if you take Beowulf.
split relic
Ahh
cunning urchin
They change to Flares.
cunning urchin
Snow Burst does damage in an AOE every time you load a cast, and Ravenous Will gives you global bonus damage and damage reduction when you have 0 ammo.
split relic
Oh
cunning urchin
It also works when you've loaded all of your ammo into your Attack.
Which you'll be doing all the time.
split relic
So that would be a good addition to how I run hera?
Would I try and go aphro keepsake first then demeter maybe in asphode
cunning urchin
Yeah, exactly.
cunning urchin
You'd do much better damage on Hera with Crush Shot + Snow Burst + Ravenous Will and no Attack boon at all than if you had Crush Shot + Deadly Strike + Heart Rend.
You'd probably want Tidal Dash over Deadly Strike, anyway.
split relic
Y no heart rend tho?
cunning urchin
I pick up Deadly Strike if I see it on the way naturally, but I don't make it a priority.
Your Attack hits first, your Casts hit second.
split relic
Cause most the time I end up with hermes drop boon
cunning urchin
And by then, most enemies should already be dead.
cunning urchin
Most of your damage will come from your Casts, so getting better crit damage on your Attack isn't as important overall to your damage.
split relic
How do u play beo tho
I tried it out
And got melted in elysium and meg fight
Like the charge is so slow
I was using flood shot but idk
cunning urchin
You can just do a Dash-Strike into charge.
You don't need to charge for long, either. You can just do it from point-blank and relase immediately to get the burst damage asap.
You can also load casts during your charge and also during the rush itself still.
split relic
Ahh
cunning urchin
You can even Dragon-Rush over your ammo to pick it up and immediately load it into your Attack, and they'll go off at the end of your Rush.
split relic
Oki
Ohhh
But for like hades should I back into a corner to reload and sit to attack
cunning urchin
If you're playing on pad, it's very common to set your Cast button to something like LB/L1 instead to load your Casts more freely while doing other stuff.
split relic
Wish I owned a controller
cunning urchin
You can kind of just Dragon-Rush back and forth through Hades. You'll have block frames during your rush.
cunning urchin
Ideally, your burst damage is already so high by then that you can phase with him with 1 or 2 rushes.
split relic
Jesus wtf
I can't wait to max meg out for hearts
Apparently she does a lot of DMG or something
cunning urchin
Yep!
cunning urchin
I do Dash-Strikes a lot to quickly take down trash mobs like Numbskulls.
split relic
Like a line
turbid needle
do you guys blow those bombs up as soon as you get on the barge or use them against enemies
cunning urchin
I keep them for enemies.
split relic
Depends
sweet hornet
zeus shield with zeus special is pretty hilarious
hoary trail
I agree
stable compass
oh i've been playing on default settings on controller
is there a better setup
after reading the comment above
turbid needle
Oh, you only asked the guys.
guys can be a gender neutral term, in this case it was
limber cloak
do you guys blow those bombs up as soon as you get on the barge or use them agai...
i blow them up on speedruns because im angry that i got barged
and then i reset the run
turbid needle
valid
limber cloak
great way to vent your anger tbh
turbid needle
how much time do they add?
limber cloak
barge wastes anywhere from 10-20 seconds compared to the other two asphodel minibosses
in igt
turbid needle
that sucks
limber cloak
because the igt timer still keeps running while you wait for enemies to spawn
turbid needle
the one miniboss I hate is the teleporting one in tart
valid dagger
meg him
turbid needle
do you have to time it?
valid dagger
Yes or you'll hit nothing
turbid needle
suit yourself
valid dagger
I'd recommend you watch a guide to get a better idea visually, since saying it doesnt really clarify it but its basically right after he teleports
turbid needle
cool, thank you!
orchid pike
only exception are the witches cuz they have no counterplay
👉 👉
serene geyser
I like Thanatos's summon a bit better.
Most enemies will rush at me, so I can kite them into the radius a bit better
cunning urchin
Meg is used in high heat and speedruns for her reliability in miniboss and boss encounters.
Easy setups for guaranteed hits.
jovial fulcrum
w/ FO2 especially, the delay on than makes it really hard to land
cunning urchin
But other summons are definiteliy viable.
limber cloak
i think best casual summon is probs bouldy
he helps you farm darkness etc, and gives you health
plus, its bouldy
cloud vault
the one miniboss I *hate* is the teleporting one in tart
If you time Antos right, Achilles and Pat will kill the Sneak for you in 2 seconds. Correct timing is immediately after he first teleports.
cloud vault
I think speedruns have Meg most of the time
cloud vault
Antos takes more skill to use and is better against some bosses but worse against others
Meg is great against heroes and witches for example
Antos crushes sneak and destroy power couple and butterfly ball
Also deals more damage to Hades
stable compass
what's good for rama again? zeus/diony specials?
turbid needle
that and aphro or artemis atk
lime jolt
^
lime jolt
Yes
devout trellis
what are some other buildes for lucifer besides zeus attack?
getting bored of zeus
lime jolt
Idk super soaker or something
mild raft
only exception are the witches cuz they have no counterplay
Arthur noises
limber cloak
what are some other buildes for lucifer besides zeus attack?
dio attack is fun
magic rivet
getting bored of zeus
Demeter and arctic blast
limber cloak
dem attack is also fun if you get artic blast
doom attack is fun if you get dire misfortune or ME
magic rivet
Or both!
stable compass
i got triple bomb first room and did aphro special and snagged her legendary
mild raft
ME kinda mitigates Dire misfortune cause you want to be procing your dooms asap with ME so you don't get the most out of stacking your dooms on each other
mild raft
triple bomb is nuts on Luci
stable compass
i got extra large bombs also.. one of the most fun builds ever for me
turbid needle
This ^ and, Also is magnetic cutter worth? Or at least worth for the casting bonus?
modest ice
turbid needle
I haven't found myself changing my life with the coin purse.
limber cloak
This ^ and, Also is magnetic cutter worth? Or at least worth for the casting b...
talos is fine, but demeter is probably the best fist aspect in general
limber cloak
How th do I use the fists
put zeus attack on it
turbid needle
That's all I needed to hear.
I had great luck with poseidon fist and the zeus combo
turbid needle
Spamming bolts with every knockback
limber cloak
sea storm on that is just zeus attack but with more steps
turbid needle
Got to the same place tho the journey was long.
limber cloak
and its annoying because the enemy gets knocked back and you have to keep chasing them
turbid needle
I had the long fist so it wasn't so bad, but that's a good point
The perk at that point was rupture and jolt 👌
turbid needle
Well that's already where I'm having fist problems.
lime jolt
Merciful end is great
turbid needle
Between the elysium/styx I tend to fall off. Anything that bites too hard when I get too close. Especially the satyrs.
lime jolt
Merciful end will just wreck everything
lime jolt
Start Vial in Tartarus and hope for a natural Athena. Take her special/dash- whichever one shows up first. Keep in mind that the special is one of the pre-requisites for Merciful End, but dash is required for the build to actually get going. Once you get Merciful End + Divine dash, look for impending doom. Once you have these boons, it doesn't really matter what boons you get.
This is how you play merciful end for fists
lime jolt
Yeah it takes some time to get used to
jovial fulcrum
the draw speed really hammers in dash striking
turbid needle
Start Vial in Tartarus and hope for a natural Athena. Take her special/dash- whi...
I always go for athena dash if ever available. But definitely noted, I would have likely done this wrong.
split relic
my first rama run didn't go that well :>
I've flip flopped so hard
I struggle with rama positions
But not the draw time
And now I feel terrible with zag bow
opal vortex
Does rush delivery increase ALL dmg? https://imgur.com/T2NOoSt
like lightning rod and scintillating feast?
and your summon....
Which I always forget to use
mild raft
Pretty sure summon damage is separate from anything Zag does since it’s coming from a separate damage source
If I’m not mistaken the only way to increase summon damage is to make an enemy take more damage via something like Sweet Surrender
lime jolt
Also targeting system
mild raft
Question does PS work as a buff or a debuff
Like does it make enemies take more damage with 2 statuses or do you deal more damage to enemies with 2 statuses?
turbid needle
Demeter Fist / Kinetic Launcher, didn't know those would synergize as well but my ranged problem is not to be found.
lime jolt
Kinetic launcher is
turbid needle
Especially cause I can shoot that extra demeter bonus ❤️ ❤️ 👍
lime jolt
Like does it make enemies take more damage with 2 statuses or do you deal more d...
I mean I know what you’re talking about but its hilarious too read
limber cloak
took me a bit to understand
But yeah, interesting question
Not sure what the difference would imply though
I think its a debuff since its per enemy basis, but not sure
mild raft
A debuff would make it so outside damage sources like traps and summons gain the damage bonus
limber cloak
Huh, then its a buff
lime jolt
But buff would mean that you could use it on any enemy
mild raft
Well in the case that the upgrade makes Zagrius deal more damage to enemies with 2 or more statuses it would still be on a per enemy basis but you would lose out on the bonus damage from traps and summons
limber cloak
Yes, traps and summons dont get affected by PS
mild raft
So then it affects Zagrius’s damage and nothing else
limber cloak
Yep
turbid needle
Kinetic launcher is<:friendly:459075377617436683>
Ooh. Fastest time yet. Thanks for the advice.
dusky drum
im not a fan of flurry in general
people like it but i dont
higher attack rate with that 15% crit sounds good tho
so id say go for it
split relic
Ye I'm using with deadly strike
lime jolt
Its good paired with twin/triple
cunning urchin
It doesn't feel as satisfying somehow, but it's very effective.
lime jolt
^
opal lodge
flurry is an amazing hammer
standing strike with flurry does more than a normal dash strike powershot
it takes away all the uniqueness of bow though so i can understand the dislike
its just a very powerful hammer though
proven osprey
Pew pew pew pew pew pew
real orchid
flurry throws me off if i get it towards the end of the run but if i get flurry + artemis attack in first couple rooms...it's all over bb
the run im currently doing i got flurry + artemis attack + athena dash and special + zeus call in tartarus
i'm going to use aphrodite trinket to get her cast then it's just waiting for duo/legendary boons and gg
finished em1 meg in like 20 seconds flat
silver summit
which weapon-
silver summit
chiron is fun
real orchid
Im hoping to be able to go sub 20 with this run but i was greedy and did a double boon room which no doubt hurt my time
real orchid
Yeah i love chiron i would max it but im saving my titan blood for rama
real orchid
Just need to unlock it first
silver summit
well, i'd suggest focusing chiron
real orchid
I have 19 blood rn so i can spare any more that i get i think
silver summit
why 19 specifically?-
real orchid
Eventually im going to max every bow aspect since its my favorite weapon dw
I think rama takes 19 to max but im not sure exactly
split relic
Wut do I run on beo?
real orchid
Oh nice in that case i can spend this 4 on leveling chiron once
silver summit
2nd goes 1 2 3 4 5 and 4th goes 3 3 3 3 3
real orchid
And still have 15
silver summit
oh so it's already level 3
neat
one of the best things you can get on chiron is concentrated relentless volley from daedalus
silver summit
Wut do I run on beo?
what i see people do is cast-focused runs
split relic
Ye but like which
silver summit
hmm
maybe Aphro..?
hold on
@cunning urchin pls sorry for bother but what cast is good for beo
or just
something to run beo with
cunning urchin
Passion Flare is good, yes.
Passion Flare, then get Snow Burst and Ravenous Will.
Trippy Flare and Flood Flare are also very good.
You'd want Stygian Soul for Trippy Flare and Infernal Soul for everything else.
silver summit
does snow burst activate when you load it
wouldn't you want stygian for flood since it pushes away?
gusty rapids
it only actually pushes away at the very last cast
so if you load 3 casts in and hit an enemy
all 3 will hit
silver summit
alright that sounds good
split relic
Passion Flare is good, yes.
Passion is aphro?
valid dagger
Yes
opal vortex
What build requires the lowest # of boons to hit near max potential
I am wondering if I can fit chaos egg into any of my runs but I find that I am usually thinking "well, this duo or that legendary boon would be nice"
silver summit
get chaos egg in tartarus and then build your duos in asphodel and elysium
opal vortex
Is it just me or does Quake Cutter increase the animation time/recovery time for your special? (talking about malphon)
real orchid
one of the best things you can get on chiron is concentrated relentless volley f...
I've only had one where i got that combo but this run i had to pick between 400% damage to armor and the flurry shot so i said eh it's better to have this with artemis and just get aphro cast/special and shred
Sadly aphro didnt offer me special so i had to take athena and i'll go for cast instead
silver summit
passion flourish is the storngest damage%
real orchid
Yeah and i'd definitely prefer it but didnt show up and i got offered epic rarity athena special so 🤷
jovial fulcrum
Relentless Demeter with the explosion at 10 stacks 
silver summit
heck yeah
that's what i love doing
relentless conc demeter flourish
i had it on heroic, +200%
- some from chaos and other misc stuff
jovial fulcrum
my favorite chiron build is Aphro Strike, Dio Special w/ Low Tol and Curse of Naus
It's ultra high roll, but its amazing when it works out
opal vortex
The +30% dmg achievement with butterfly is sooo annoying
the # of rooms I get hit ONCE is too damn high
opal vortex
yeah maybe I should
I've been using my rail runs as a way to pump up my heat
could do zero heat rail and see how it goes
silver summit
Hestia with her one shots early on are pretty good
If you wanna focus 30% fiery presence helps too
opal vortex
that makes sense
I still choose whatever weapon is my dark thirst every time
and I level up whatever aspect I want to use
my plan is to keep doing that until they're all lvl 5
it is taking a long time
silver summit
Heh
I mean
(5+15+16+15)*4 = 51*4 = 204 titan blood
Weapon bounties stop at 20 heat, maybe make that your goal for some
The ones that you like that is
opal vortex
Do you get ALL titan blood at 20 heat?
silver summit
You get 42 titan blood per weapon
opal vortex
so if you go from 0 heat to 20 you get 42 titan blood?
silver summit
21 heat values (0-20) and 2 blood per heat
silver summit
Oh. No you can't
opal vortex
ok then
silver summit
If you skip heats, it just gives you the heat rewards of the lowest thing you haven't obtained
Say you won heat 5 and zre doing heat 20, you'll be getting heat 6 bounties
Though you can just keep on redoing the same heat 20 again and again lol
Though what I initially meant is, you can focus on maxing out a weapon if you have a favorite aspect
I personally found great fun in that
opal vortex
i have a few max'ed out weapons
clearly I like a few more than others...
but I want them all maxed out
silver summit
Well you have to start somewhere
You can't max out all at once
Now I'm just curious about maths lmao
If you get all bounties from all weapons, you'd be missing 36 blood
Ambrosia will probably be maxed out way before so you just trade it for blood since you get soooo many of it in prophecies, so that covers
jovial fulcrum
you get plenty of extra Ambrosia to trade though
plus prophecies and stuff
realistically you'll have every aspect maxed before you cash in all the bounties
opal vortex
I did read.... im just agreeing with you
jovial fulcrum
I'd be careful not to ditch all your Ambrosia, you'll want it for other stuff eventually
silver summit
If o'm ever in need of ambrosia, i'd just go for the duos prophecy
jovial fulcrum
But I didn't, that's the joke
silver summit
Which I never even thought about doing yet
silver summit
Just do it 210 times in a row and talk to orpheus until he gives prophecy clear
jovial fulcrum
I'm not about to sit there for an hour doing it lol
I just hit it once or twice between runs
lime jolt
Just do it 210 times in a row and talk to orpheus until he gives prophecy clear
In a row?
What
jovial fulcrum
total
silver summit
It's just in total but you're allowed to do it in a row
jovial fulcrum
you can do 1 every run and be done in 210 runs :D
silver summit
I used to do 10, usually more, per run ((because I would keep on losing count))
silver summit
Your playing keeps getting better, and on 210th he says "I can play" or something like that as a'clear indicator you're done
silver summit
Me or you-
Because idk what that is my autocorrect is just bad and ' is in a weird spot because french mobile keyboard
lime jolt
Like I can swipe to type on my phones keyboard
And it goes wrong 99% of the time, but the one time it goes right, it feels really good to type that fast
I had to retype half the words in that sentence because it didn’t output correctly
Thank you for listening to my Ted Talk
split relic
What do I use for zag fists?
cunning urchin
What do I use for zag fists?
I do essentially the same builds on Zag Fists that I use on Demeter Aspect. #h1-builds-and-combat message
But a unique build you can do is Zag Fists + Lambent Plume + Ruthless Reflex, then try to get Greater Evasion and Second Wind from Lord Hermes.
jovial fulcrum
gotta go for Plume memes on Zag Fist
cunning urchin
Ideally with Smoldering Air.
real orchid
What do I use for zag fists?
I like athena attack and dash, then whatever damage special/cast you want, you can just full combo then dash attack to reset it and if you get long knuckles and some attackspeed up youre basically unhittable
opal vortex
if I end up not using me re-rolls on fated persuasion should I just change it to the other one?
I know I am probably under-utilizing FP....
but I just don't use it!
ok, sometimes I do
dusky drum
gotta get lucky :/
the reqs are attack/special athena and ares
and thats it
people get dash since it makes it better
opal vortex
I can always get dash and special athena
have you unlocked the full mirror?
dusky drum
you just gotta get lucky when you get attakc and special filled
gods legacy can help :3
10% isnt much but it makes a difference
split relic
Oki
turbid needle
if you're specifically going for legs/duos then gods legacy is a must
otherwise I recommend gods pride if you don't care too much about legs/duos
opal vortex
Duos are better than rare or even epic boons though
You can always benefit from at least 2-4 duo/legendary boons in any run
jovial fulcrum
Duos are better than rare or even epic boons though
*most Duos are better
dusky drum
What does "The Big Five-O" mean when you win?
50th win :3
jovial fulcrum
there's a few stinkers in there that either need to be gotten early to do much of anything, and a few that are just kinda bad
dusky drum
Duos are better than rare or even epic boons though
depends on the weapon :/
like rama it really doesnt matter
you get more out of an epic arte attack and zeus special then you will from lightning rod
opal vortex
tell me how exactly
dusky drum
higher damage
opal vortex
Meh
dusky drum
40 from casts isnt much
opal vortex
Rama can still benefit from a cast build
dusky drum
especially since youll be losing boiling ot get that benefit
jovial fulcrum
afaik, Rama really only ever casts to lodge on bosses for boiling blood
opal vortex
hunting blades or crystal clarity work well on anything
jovial fulcrum
if you wanna do a cast build you're better off with different weapon, really
opal vortex
I try to make the most of what I am offered by the game. I think having duo/legendary helps more than rare/epic boons
dusky drum
at high heat youll find more love out of rarities
and honestly low heat i run legacy high heat i run pride
jovial fulcrum
play the game however you like, really.
I like to high roll so I run legacy, but you can't ignore the consistency that pride gives
opal vortex
I actually tried a run with Pride after levelling it up fully and I still got common boons too often to make a difference
jovial fulcrum
Duos are usually really powerful, but most of the time they just augment the build.
You core boons being better helps pull the build together overall
jovial fulcrum
No, Core boons are specifically Attack, Special, Cast, Dash, call
opal vortex
ok fair enough I thought "core" meant "essential to your build"
jovial fulcrum
Like... less than a third of Duos are build defining, I'd say. Most of them just add more damage.
Which high rarity Core boons also do
cunning urchin
The odds of getting any particular Duo Boon or Legendary you want with God's Legacy are way better than the odds of getting any particular Epic boon you want with God's Pride because you'll take the boon whether you get it at Epic or not, but you'll have a lot of tries to get the Duo Boon or Legendary you want.
jovial fulcrum
(by Build defining, I mean like ME or Crystal Clarity etc)
opal vortex
It's really nice that duo/legendary don't have rarity attached to them
You never have to consider buying the item that increases boon rarity for them
jovial fulcrum
I believe Yarn makes them more likely to appear, actually? I could be mistaken
opal vortex
You don't have to take ANY +% rarity percentage things
yarn gives + rarity chance
I thought rarity was a separate pool vs duo/legendary.
sweet hornet
is lambent plume not supposed to proc in styx or something? I figured I was decently fast in most of the chambers there
cunning urchin
Any +% rarity chance gives you +10% chance for a Duo Boon or Legendary.
jovial fulcrum
is lambent plume not supposed to proc in styx or something? I figured I was dece...
it only counts the final chamber of each tunnel
sweet hornet
except the one where you get the sack I guess?
sweet hornet
ok, makes sense now
opal vortex
Any +% rarity chance gives you +10% chance for a Duo Boon or Legendary.
God's pride gives +20% chance for EPIC. You're telling me this also gives +10% duo/legendary?
Or are you saying for items only
sweet hornet
if god's pride also gives +10 duo/legendary then when's god's legacy ever preferable?
jovial fulcrum
Wow, yarn is 10% lego/duo? even better than I thought
cunning urchin
All the items and boons that give you "+% chance to be Rare or better".
So no, not God's Pride.
opal vortex
All the items and boons that give you "+% chance to be Rare or better".
Interesting. So you can still take a god keepsake if you're fishing for a duo/legendary
cunning urchin
Yes.
opal vortex
Has anyone tried Chaos egg for biome 1-3 and take chaos every chance given?
I imagine it's probably bad
jovial fulcrum
I usually do that, but without Egg
chaos boons are very good, unless its being offered against a room reward you really need, its usually good to pick them up
unless you think it will kill you, i guess
sweet hornet
I got -45% movement from chaos right before asterius - almost lost it
opal vortex
I don't take Chaos if there is a good reason for me to take the chamber room coming up... like I need a particular god boon or it's a hammer or hermes
opal vortex
You should definitely take Chaos over non-boon rooms rewards
jovial fulcrum
fishing for cast Ammo is one of the times I would actually take Egg, just so I can make sure I'll absolutely be able to take it
opal vortex
If you already have augmented room rewards on max life or health then...maybe
or wealth*
not health
jovial fulcrum
Probably the only time I wouldn't take a Chaos gate on Beowoulf is if it
A) would kill me (probably take it anyhow) or
B) is offered against a hammer and i don't have charge shot yet
Similar logic for Hera, and Cast-build Achilles
turbid needle
Duos are better than rare or even epic boons though
they generally are, but you need to meet certain requirements to get them, whereas with epics you can always get them
what I'm saying is, you aren't always benefiting from gods legacy but you will always benefit from gods pride
opal vortex
what I'm saying is, you aren't always benefiting from gods legacy but you will a...
Wrong. When you ONLY want a duo/legendary you are not benefiting from pridfe
turbid needle
???
opal vortex
u know what i mean
turbid needle
that's not how it works, involuntary benefit is still benefit
opal vortex
nah
turbid needle
bro...
opal vortex
getting an epic strong drink is meaningless if you need crystal clarity
turbid needle
yes but you won't always have the requirements for crystal clarity
opal vortex
omfg
turbid needle
and in that circumstance you would benefit from pride'
and legacy is useless
homie your logic is flawed
jovial fulcrum
if you're picking Strong Drink, then CC was never on offer anyhow
opal vortex
If you meet as many legendary/duo requirements as early as possible then you end up wanting those duo/legendary boons
turbid needle
look man ima go cos you're obviously missing the point
opal vortex
ok cool you're kind of an idiot
jovial fulcrum
Hey now, no need to call names
opal vortex
baaiiiiii
"It's so kewl I have an EPIC "positive outlook" but no Scintillating Feast!! - Thanazagera
lmfao
don't curse
little baby girl
jovial fulcrum
I would genuinely rather have epic positive outlook over Scint most of the time, tbh
positive outlook is super good
opal vortex
then you're probably playing 32+ heat
jovial fulcrum
Nah, Just "Not Dying > Dying"
opal vortex
it was ONE random example I pulled out of my ass
Would you take an EPIC xxx vs a duo/legendary in general?
jovial fulcrum
It really depends
in the situation you gave, I'd rather have the epic most of the time
forest marsh
Reminder to keep discussions respectful and avoid interpersonal attacks. It's fine to disagree and have different opinions
opal vortex
maybe you should build for exclusive access
jovial fulcrum
Meh, could, could not.
The opportunity cost for Exclusive Access isn't there for me, personally
That's one of those Duos you need to get early to make it worth it
opal vortex
splash dash + dionysus cast are both pretty good
jovial fulcrum
Yeah. Hard to guarantee you have both of those before halfway through Apshodel though
Which means if you get really shafted, you might not see EA until Elysium or even Styx
I've had plenty of runs where I played with God's Legacy and just never saw the Duo I wanted to build around
opal vortex
in my experience you always get them by the end if you actively seek them out and reduce the pool you're pulling from
jovial fulcrum
You're more likely to see them than not, for sure, but sometimes the game just doesn't cooperate
real orchid
just got offered a heroic aphrodite special to replace my current special
dreams really do come true
🥺
brittle mortar
real orchid
chiron bow
i have artemis attack and just got the duo boon in the very next room
the god run
i also have the flurry hammer upgrade
turbid needle
most of the time I think it's worth taking the heroic upgrade
tho it also depends on what else is on offer and what the boon is
jovial fulcrum
special/attack seems kinda backwards, but Heart Rend is never bad
turbid needle
especially if you have increased weak duration
sweet hornet
I'd sell aphro dash
jovial fulcrum
depends on the aspect, but usually i'm happy with aphro dash
real orchid
oh i dont have aphro dash i have athena dash
im kinda a scrub still i always take athena dash lol
turbid needle
also, I wouldn't trade out for a heroic if I was losing the requirement for a duo or leg
like the base attack
jovial fulcrum
Athena Dash is one of the best in the game
real orchid
well thats true, but the duo i wanted was artemis/aphro duo
turbid needle
even common rarity
real orchid
and i already had athena dash so losing athena special isnt a big deal
turbid needle
at the end of the day, take whatever you think will bring you closer to victory
jovial fulcrum
pressure points seems like a high pick up at this point, for that set up.
real orchid
for sure, hopefully i get offered it soon
i kinda wish i knew how to speedrun cause i have a great setup for it lol, i'll just try to get sub 20 i guess
turbid needle
is that the universal crit chance?
jovial fulcrum
yes
turbid needle
thought so
jovial fulcrum
well, Mark would be better than PP probably but both are good
real orchid
i already used artemis and aphro keepsakes
jovial fulcrum
Purse, Hourglass, Mom Pom, etc
real orchid
guess i'll go purse and see if i can pull some legendary boons maybe