#h1-builds-and-combat

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cunning urchin
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That's one way to empty the server.

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Be a fool and find out. dusa

fair wraith
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Oh god

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The real question is how best to cheese this

cunning urchin
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Which god? dusa

hoary trail
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Thanks squirtyay

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And just no @turbid needle

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Lol

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There would be less than 100 people here lol

turbid needle
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A worthy sacrifice

hoary trail
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Really though?

split relic
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How do u unlock the court music?

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Do I just keep talking to eurydice and orpheus?

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Cause orpheus has played music a couple times

turbid needle
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Is it not a tab in the house contractor yet?

split relic
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It is

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But says need more rennovations

turbid needle
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Ah

split relic
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But I've done a lot of the ones that cost gemstones

hoary trail
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I can't quite remember

cunning urchin
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I did that so long ago, I don't even know if the conditions are still the same lol.

split relic
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Oki

turbid needle
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Wait does that tab come up before or after you buy the court music stand

cunning urchin
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Far as I remember, it just showed up in the House Contractor and I paid resources for it.

gleaming belfry
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Why did I get pinged ?

split relic
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Ye

hoary trail
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April fools challenge

gleaming belfry
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Ffs

hoary trail
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Lol

gleaming belfry
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Well it’s 9pm here sooooo

hoary trail
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It looks like a good one

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Yeah, you England? Me too

opal lodge
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if you dont want the ping dont join the role lol

hoary trail
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I think I'm gonna do it tomorrow

opal lodge
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its a role you chose to join

gleaming belfry
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Oh I don’t mind the ping it was just that I was wondering what it was for

slim lynx
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i got a ping here and i thought sgg tried pulling an april fools

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and instead it was a ghost ping 😔

cunning urchin
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No, it was a Hades Monthly Challenge. dusa

split relic
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What should I use for hammers for the first aspect of varatha

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The flurry rush throw one

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I got a choice between triple jab, massive spin, and vicious skewer

proven osprey
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all garbage

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feel free to pick any

cunning urchin
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I'd take Triple Jab. Massive Spin prevents you from getting Flurry Jab, which is the best hammer for Zag Spear.

proven osprey
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Vicious is fun though

split relic
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Ahh ok

cunning urchin
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Vicious Skewer can work if you want a slow but safe run with just your Special.

sweet hornet
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playing poseidon sword, decided to gamble at the anvil: lost super nova, gained cursed slash and world splitter lul

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rip

gleaming current
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From how they described it I almost thought it's achilles aspect

proven osprey
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that's a pretty cool anvil

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you can chop chop and get health back

split relic
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Isn't achilles aspect for varatha just an upgrade to zag spear?

gleaming current
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Mmm, aspects are not upgrades

hoary trail
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Im using fists. Anyone else?

cunning urchin
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Achilles Aspect is just Zag Aspect with +150% damage.

split relic
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Ahj

sweet hornet
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I also only have 52 health now 😦

split relic
gleaming current
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You get to choose one and it defines the gameplay in current run

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Ah, I see

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Either vicious or triple jab should work then

split relic
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What does flurry do?

silver summit
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hold to stab multiple times quickly

gleaming current
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? flurry jab you mean?

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and yeah it'd be that

silver summit
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well, whatever the weapon, it's always just "hold to attack quickly"

slim lynx
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"flurry" hammers generally have the same effect across all 4 weapons

opal lodge
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yeah except two are meh/trash

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and the other two are amazing

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flurry jab might be one of the best hammers in the game

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while flurry slash might be one of the worst

slim lynx
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flurry slash seems great but oohhhh mmyyyy goooddddd the dps is horrid

proven osprey
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flurry dash when

silver summit
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it's called gilgamesh

proven osprey
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True but not flurry enough to me

keen sage
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Anyone have any idea about this?

orchid pike
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do u even use guan yu's regular (non-spin) attack?

small stirrup
orchid pike
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spin to win baby

small stirrup
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YEeeeeeeeeeeee

orchid pike
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vs slow as hell spear thrusts

small stirrup
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I mean, i'm sure no one uses Guan Yu's normal attack combo

cunning urchin
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Feels fun, though.

small stirrup
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But I've seen the special be an absolute shredder

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It's basically the explosive throw hammer but with attitude

keen sage
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I use the regular attack on it sometimes, it does decent damage. It's just slow, so it's situational

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guan yu throw is good

proven osprey
cunning urchin
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Standard Guan Yu combos are Special > Dash-Strike x2 and Cast > Dash-Strike x2.

proven osprey
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the main problem is the hitbox

small stirrup
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Too small?

proven osprey
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It's too thin

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You'll hit nothing

cunning urchin
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You can do some fun stuff like timing your third hit for a new wave that's lined up perfectly.

lime jolt
proven osprey
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Also the combo is very slow and the attack buffering does not work well because of the aforementioned hitbox

lime jolt
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Farthest I made itdusa

cunning urchin
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Nice nice. dusa

small stirrup
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I can already see myself no even leaving tartarus

sick bear
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Wait so do we have specific settings for adding heat? Or is the number heat all that's important

cunning urchin
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So far, no one has left Tartarus. dusa

small stirrup
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Honestly... not surprised

lime jolt
sick bear
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Ah I see

cunning urchin
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63 is max heat in normal mode, 64 is max heat in Hell mode.

small stirrup
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I would feel inclined to do this but Artemis said nothin so Imma just chill

sick bear
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Gotcha then brb let's see how many times I die in a minute zaglol

willow haven
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yo i can't do this LMFAO

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i barely manage 32

proven osprey
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If you clear 32 entirely

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you should be able to clear half of 64 imo

small stirrup
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I don't think that's how heat works....

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But it sounds right

proven osprey
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Thanks, person who's not Volty

small stirrup
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No problem squirtnya

willow haven
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im weak 😦

turbid needle
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wow ok that was ridiculous

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i only made chamber 3 lmao

lime jolt
cunning urchin
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Pengy787 also died in chamber 3 on his first attempt. squirtnya

surreal wasp
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scary

lime jolt
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To a trap while being held hostage by a wringer

eternal quartz
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You can connect Switch to the PC and transfer selected screenshots at once. Edit: unless it's different on Lite, if that's what you have...

cunning urchin
small stirrup
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NO

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MY QUEEN NO

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PLEASE

eternal quartz
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Also, the challenge - lol. Gonna try it though and see what happens ;)

vagrant maple
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my goal is to make it out of tart

lime jolt
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I think with Sisyphus + fountain I can make it to furies

vagrant maple
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this was with chaos+ shop as only free rooms

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I had a slow 11, which if I had skipped I might have been able to clear

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c12 was really fast which was lucky

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also a very nice build

lime jolt
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What wep?

vagrant maple
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rama

lime jolt
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Ooh nice

vagrant maple
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I took an erebus gate for health lmao

lime jolt
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Questionable

vagrant maple
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paid off because it let me take chaos

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1 dash erebus gate is so scary

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those flamewheels almost got me

cunning urchin
lime jolt
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My goal is just to make it out of tartarus

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I wonder if chaos egg would be a legit strategy

vagrant maple
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hm I think you just have to tank the damage

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tooth is more hp than egg

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even with 2 chaos

lime jolt
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Oh yeah

proven osprey
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Chaos egg has been tested by professionals

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you may ask @faint flax

lime jolt
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What about acornthanthink

vagrant maple
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main 2 strats are tooth and shackle

proven osprey
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myrmidon bracer beo when

cunning urchin
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I don't usually give tips, but you should take the Eternal Rose.

fair wraith
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Myrmidon bracer beo actually sounds pretty funny

proven osprey
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Thank you

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It's because you take 10% more damage which is a lot

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so you have to offset that

opal lodge
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may not seem like a lot but it adds up

proven osprey
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^

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Beo players sigh

obtuse wind
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Anyone got any tips for coronacht??

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I STILL haven’t cleared with it

lime jolt
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Which aspect?

obtuse wind
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Good question I can tell you in a moment I’m opening the game now

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Hera

lime jolt
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Crush shot is pretty good

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Make sure you use infernal soul

obtuse wind
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Oooh okay

jovial fulcrum
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Dio Hera w/ Styg rainbow

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its good i swear

obtuse wind
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Okay apparently I’m mid run I have stygian soul on atm aha

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I’ll try the dio and then I’ll try infernal

jovial fulcrum
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either or.
Stygian Hera isn't unplayable, it just hurts your burst damage potenial

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you can kinda make up for it with Chaos grasp, prometheus stones or artemis legendary

obtuse wind
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Aaah I see

split relic
# obtuse wind Hera

My build for that is artemis attack, crush shot and poseidon or aphro dadh

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Dash

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So I can get heartwrend for more crit too

lime jolt
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^

split relic
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Same for zag bow but without cast

balmy star
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suggestions for boons to look for with arthur? unlocked it but haven't tried it yet

hearty elbow
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Artemis/Aphrodite attack

lime jolt
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^

balmy star
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what about special? cast? those don't rlly matter eh

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actually special would probably benefit from an aoe boon as well due to its nature

lime jolt
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Eh special is okay

hearty elbow
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Rest is kind imagination. Divine Dash, Tidal Dash, Blade Dash. Aphro/Zeus (Zeus can go anywhere) open up Smoldering Air, which is great because you don't fill up god gauge quickly on Arthur

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The only boon that matters is your attack

balmy star
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copy that boss

vagrant maple
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yeah most of your damage will be from attack

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so everything else can be for utility

balmy star
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why specifically Artemis/aphro for attack?

gusty rapids
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tidal dash might be awkward w pushing foes out of ur reach

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tho

hearty elbow
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big damage

lime jolt
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yeah multiplicative damage

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crits good

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For weps with high base damage

vagrant maple
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yeah arty/aphro have the highest damage

balmy star
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oooooooo

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I see I see

hearty elbow
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Aphro is specifically nice because of interactions with your damage reduction aura and possibly Hyper Sprint

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And because of Smoldering Air

vagrant maple
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arty attack usually goes for heart rend, aphro for smoldering

balmy star
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right

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heart rend would just delete everything

vagrant maple
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yeah it's a bit overkill on arthur

hearty elbow
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It's not really... necessary lol

vagrant maple
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because a crit is already probably going to 1 shot

balmy star
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yeah LOL

hearty elbow
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Artemis attack is really a 1 boon build. The rest is decoration

vagrant maple
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it only really does anything in boss fights

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yeah 1 boon build pretty much sums it up

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hunters mark is probably better than HR tbh

hearty elbow
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Agreed.

balmy star
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what's the difference between mark and hr?

hearty elbow
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?

balmy star
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sorry, haven't played the game long enough to remember what either of those boons do off the top of my head

hearty elbow
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Oh. Hunter's Mark applies a debuff to an enemy in a pretty wide radius whenever you crit. It adds a lot of crit chance, and so usually something always has a mark on it somewhere

balmy star
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oh that one

hearty elbow
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Heart Rend adds 150% crit multiplier to weakened enemies

split relic
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Wut duos are best for hera?

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Thinking artemis cast and some poseidon stuff

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Maybe with aphro dash?

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What duos should I aim for

hearty elbow
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Mirage Shot, Smoldering Air, Fully Loaded (Artemis legendary), Parting Shot

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Assuming Crush Shot

cunning urchin
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Snow Burst and Ravenous Will should have higher priority than any Duo Boons.

hearty elbow
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Yeah, that

split relic
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How do you set up smoldering air

balmy star
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how do y'all even remember what these names do 😭

hearty elbow
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Aphro + Zeus anywhere, done

split relic
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Oki

balmy star
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so many boons I cri

cunning urchin
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Crush Shot > Zeus' Aid > Smoldering Air.

split relic
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So maybe zeus keepsake first the. Hope for poseidon?

cunning urchin
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Is the fastest route.

split relic
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And aphro keepsake second?

cunning urchin
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No. Eternal Rose start for Crush Shot, put all the poms on it.

hearty elbow
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Aphro first for Crush Shot

jovial fulcrum
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aphro first, cast is important on hera

split relic
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Oki

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Then zeus second biome?

cunning urchin
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Lady Demeter in Asphodel.

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For Snow Burst and Ravenous Will.

split relic
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Wut do those do?

cunning urchin
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Hope for Smoldering Air, but if you don't get it, not a big deal.

balmy star
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oh I never thought about that actually

hearty elbow
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And really play it by ear. If you get natural Artemis or Poseidon, maybe get the other of the two for Mirage. If you already have Demeter, maybe go Zeus for Smoldering Air

jovial fulcrum
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just get offered zeus naturally 4head

balmy star
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snow burst would be crazy on hera too

split relic
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Wut does snow burst do?

hearty elbow
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Large AoE chill whenever you cast

split relic
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Hmm

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But I could do demeter dash maybe with artemis special

hearty elbow
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  • damage
split relic
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For crit dmg

balmy star
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another thing of burst dps on top of your cast boon

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bc it's separate from your cast

hearty elbow
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You never want to press special with Hera lol

cunning urchin
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Snow Burst will do more damage than Mirage Shot.

split relic
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Ahhhh

hearty elbow
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Like, actually unbind it

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(not actually, but you get the idea)

lime jolt
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i mean charged volley is pretty nice

split relic
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Wait snow burst actually does more?

balmy star
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when you're in a bind w no casts, I agree

olive pivot
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is deadly flourish good with gilgamesh

lime jolt
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Nothing is good with gilgamesh

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Just start like heartbreak strike and pray for smoldering

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Or do a dash run with ruthless reflex

cunning urchin
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Yeah, it will do more damage most of the time over a run. And you can get Killing Freeze for DOT, too.

hearty elbow
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I usually start with Splash Dash and finish by playing another aspect

uneven widget
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Hey, everyone. So I just finished my 25th run and lost to Hades again, so I am thinking I kinda wanna cheese it now. Basically, what can't the shield block at this point, can it block literally any attack?

balmy star
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why don't people like gilgamesh? serious question

olive pivot
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Gilgamesh ain't THAT bad... right

cunning urchin
lime jolt
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I feel like it doesn't fully utilize the gilga dashes

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since it suckssquirtdevious

balmy star
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xd

hearty elbow
# balmy star why don't people like gilgamesh? serious question

The animations take too long, if you ever dash strike, your subsequent attack will also be a dash strike, so you have no iframes for either. Your best quality, Maim, also renders you extremely vulnerable to counterattack by the thing you just Maimed, so... great design there.

lime jolt
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i like gilga dash runs a LOT

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They are fun

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But everything else just kinda sucks

olive pivot
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the dash strike thing

cunning urchin
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if you ever dash strike, your subsequent attack will also be a dash strike
What are you talking about?

lime jolt
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also your dash strike does 20 damage

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Feels great

hearty elbow
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I can make a gif, sec

olive pivot
lime jolt
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I think he meant that after the dash strike it makes you do an attack

balmy star
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well, the FIRST swipe is 20

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second is 60

lime jolt
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Right but it locks you into a main attack

uneven widget
lime jolt
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Which is bad

cunning urchin
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Are you saying you can't do Dash-Strike > empty dash? Because you absolutely can.

lime jolt
cunning urchin
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You can also do a Dash-Strike into no Attack.

uneven widget
hearty elbow
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I'm literally trying right now. The timing must be miniscule because I'm delaying by a lot and still getting a second dash strike from an empty dash

lime jolt
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From the front

opal vortex
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It's dumb to have curse of longing and ME at the same time, right?

uneven widget
balmy star
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it's true

olive pivot
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Wait, so it can block the Hades spin attack from point blank?

balmy star
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it'll make a sound as if you're hitting the shields of the shield dudes in Elysium

lime jolt
balmy star
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same sound and it'll be like blocked! blocked!

uneven widget
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Does it block front splash damage like the lunge as well? From minotaur

balmy star
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yup

lime jolt
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If he jumps on top of you, no

balmy star
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^

uneven widget
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Alrighty

balmy star
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if he jumps in front of you, yes

obtuse wind
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update: I DID IT!

uneven widget
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So reckon I can cheese the last two fights then? Lol

obtuse wind
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thanks for the help earlier ^^

hearty elbow
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Yeah, idk if it's "technically" possible but I haven't gotten the empty dash once in like 5 minutes of experimenting. So even if it is, that sucks in chaotic situations

lime jolt
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problem I have with shield is that its so easy to get hit from the sides

balmy star
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^^^^^

lime jolt
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*shield blocking

uneven widget
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Well for the last two bosses with 1 or 2 enemies it doesn't seem too bad

balmy star
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I rarely care about blocking unless I know an attack is coming/using beowulf

uneven widget
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And do I actually need to fully charge to block or nah

olive pivot
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nope

balmy star
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nah

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as soon as you start the ani you block

uneven widget
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I've played 18 hours, I only realized you can block like that consistently lol

hearty elbow
balmy star
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you can hold it forever

jovial fulcrum
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shield should have god mode force-enabled tbh

balmy star
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though what's the point of holding it forever if you're not gonna beat the boss squirtdevious

cunning urchin
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@hearty elbow you're holding Attack down for too long.

uneven widget
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So block rush block rush repeatedly

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Sounds like a plan 🤔

balmy star
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eh

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if that's how you wanna do it then do what you must

hearty elbow
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@cunning urchin, thanks, I got it now. That is still very tight

uneven widget
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I don't know, I am a bit desparate after making it to Hades and losing again :|

hearty elbow
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Helps going forward when I sufficiently hate myself to try 45/50

balmy star
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I play shield like I play sword, dash strikes with a few specials thrown depending on what boon I have on my special

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if I'm far I'll rush but really, with the new aspects I use I don't remember how I played regular shield tbh

cunning urchin
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You just have to release Attack very quickly. I dunno, I guess m used to it from Street Fighter lol.

hearty elbow
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Yeah it feels very fighter gamey input

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But 99% of the controls in this game are Action

cunning urchin
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Malphon inputs can feel quite a bit like fighting games sometimes. Which is why it's my favorite weapon.

balmy star
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ah

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a chad malphon enthusiast

cunning urchin
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Enthusiast?

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Please.

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m the Queen of Malphon. 👸🏽

balmy star
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I don't doubt it, it's just the meme format uses enthusiast squirtdevious

serene geyser
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I have a 100% clear rate with Malphon

lime jolt
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Congrats

hearty elbow
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Lmao I love how the better you get at this this game, your win rate starts asymptotically approaching 0.

lime jolt
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i probably have a 0.1% clear rate with every weapon

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Like the average

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I'll check tommorow

opal vortex
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I am on a 16 game win streak

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not doing much heat though

lime jolt
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congrats

lime jolt
opal vortex
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So... ME + curse of longing at the same time = garbage, right?

lime jolt
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idk never tried it

hearty elbow
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It's not good lol

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If that's what your asking

serene geyser
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unless you're like me and have god mode on, and just got a win streak of 32 last time I played

balmy star
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I was on a 13, till someone in here taught me that to truly reset a run seed, you have to die

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and that's when he said speedrunners don't care about streaks

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and I was never the same

lime jolt
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My highest streak was 8 and that was at 0 heat

hearty elbow
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Heat runners love streaks. If only

cunning urchin
lime jolt
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I might try a 32 heat streak, but that might legitimately be hard for all weps

lime jolt
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thats what I was saying

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And he beat 50 ZAG SWORD WITH SIGIL

hearty elbow
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I'm fairly confident I could streak 32 all aspects. I may try that project, sounds like a challenge.

lime jolt
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On for a racedusa

hearty elbow
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You can just cheese the poop out of the game so hard with splash dash

balmy star
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true splash dash kinda stupid ngl

cunning urchin
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24x32xTidal Dash when, @hearty elbow?

hearty elbow
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Lol, I'll create a separate save for that project so I can keep my streak clean

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While still doing other stuff

opal vortex
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what is splash dash exactly

hearty elbow
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Tidal Dash (Poseidon)

opal vortex
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right, and?

hearty elbow
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Large AoE very heavy damage and great boon scaling

opal vortex
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Is that it? lol

lime jolt
hearty elbow
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I'm not racing 32 aspects lmao (you're on)

tacit glade
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My favorite build atm is hunting blades. Just hunting blades and whatever else goes with it.

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Lmao

lime jolt
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Ok the race begins tomorrow

cunning urchin
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The only streak you should be concerned with, @hearty elbow, is streaking chambers for the Monthly Challenge. Now, be a fool, and get on with it! dusa

lime jolt
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I can’t record so you gave to take my word for it

hearty elbow
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Are we allowed to turn off HL5 and CP2

cunning urchin
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Pengy787 has already been doing his best to beat the Furies, and you're behind.

lime jolt
hearty elbow
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No, I meant for the monthly

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62, HL4 CP1 is max heat, right?

cunning urchin
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Are you asking me if you can turn off pacts for max heat, which has all pacts turned on?

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Are you a fool or a fool? dusa

hearty elbow
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Yes (to both)

lime jolt
cunning urchin
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You are indeed a fool. You seem like the right Llama for the job.

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In the wise words of Megaera, “You're even more of a fool than I already thought.”

opal vortex
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am I wrong if I kinda like lucifer more than eris?

cunning urchin
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Not at all.

hearty elbow
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Is Fiery Presence or Shadow Presence better if you have RI4

cunning urchin
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There is no right or wrong in what you like best.

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I actually don't know if it affects Chaos Gates tbh. I think it might? Or maybe you're just not offered either.

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Well, in which case it would still affect Chaos Gates.

hearty elbow
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Whoah, yeah actually it should just remove both from the pool

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RI4 broken

cunning urchin
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But RI4 would, not your non-choice of non-Fiery or non-Shadow. dusa

hearty elbow
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Lol, 64 heat attempts are a fun way to do unseeded resets

lime jolt
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To make it out of tartarus this challenge only uses 52 heatdusa

turbid needle
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only 52 heat

balmy star
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recommended MoN traits w arthur? :o

opal vortex
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Triple bomb seems almost necessary for lucifer...

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Unless maybe you can focus on attack instead of special. But special seems so good on lucifer

turbid needle
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I highly recommend backstab cos it's very effective if you know how to dash sweep with arthur

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but really you don't need to change anything specifically for arthur

balmy star
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copy that boss

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ty

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lets say you picked aphro ks first, you get the boon and the choices are special, cast, and attack (for arthur)

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earlier people were saying get attack

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but the attack is COMMON

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the special is epic pepehands

turbid needle
#

usually I'd say attack

balmy star
#

even if the special is epic? you'd still go common attack?

turbid needle
#

for arthur attack I recommend aphro, dem or athena

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take the special

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get a better attack later

balmy star
#

i figured

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good idea

turbid needle
#

and if you dont like the special just sell it

balmy star
#

just wanted to make sure others would agree w me and that i wasnt making a grave mistake

turbid needle
#

generally, if it's white vs purple you take the purple

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blue vs purple, depends on what it is

balmy star
#

cast was blue

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i picked purple special

turbid needle
#

yeah

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special is easy to keep enemies weakened

balmy star
#

also im at a chaos gate, choices are one extra cast (nah), dash strike does more but previews are hidden (yikes), or 39 max health but dash has shorter range

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i was thinking dash strike but that hidden previews hurts

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wdyt?

turbid needle
#

take the health

balmy star
#

yeah thought so too

turbid needle
#

dash strikes aren't as important on arthur

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you mainly gonna be doing the sweep combos with dash inbetween

#

do you have rerolls btw?

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cos u can always use thos if you don't like what you see

balmy star
#

just one

turbid needle
#

save it then

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for when you get trash rewards

fervent elbow
#

I would take dash strike if it wasn't for hidden previews

turbid needle
#

on arthur, dash strike is only used as an approach option and not a damage dealer

fervent elbow
#

You can still dash strike but not as often as with other sword

turbid needle
#

yeah

fervent elbow
#

it's still fast

turbid needle
#

and it's just more effective to do the sweep combo

#

but on any other sword, dash strike chaining is super strong

balmy star
#

fml

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waited for another aphro boon

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theres a aphro vs poseidon, obv you know who i picked

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first roll no attack option

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rolled again

turbid needle
#

don't sweat man

balmy star
#

still no attack

turbid needle
#

you dont need attack stright up

balmy star
#

i knowwww but at this point my special is stronger than my attack LOL

turbid needle
#

what heat r u on

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just out of curiosity

balmy star
#

...

split relic
#

What should I do if I want mirage shot and heart rend before hades?

balmy star
#

im trying this out for the first time so

split relic
#

Or theseus

balmy star
#

0

turbid needle
#

thats ok man

balmy star
turbid needle
#

no shame in that

fervent elbow
split relic
#

HerA

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Coronacht

fervent elbow
#

For heart rend, get Artemis attack

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and hope for duo

split relic
#

I wanna do arty cast because of mirage shot

fervent elbow
#

For mirage shot you need Artemis/Poseidon attack/special/cast

balmy star
#

mmm

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aphro attack rare

opal vortex
#

I wanna try splitting headache + low tolerance. Sounds stronk

split relic
#

Hmm

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Tru

balmy star
#

or aphro poseidon duo

split relic
#

So maybe I could do aphro or poiseidon attack, with the other being dash

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And arty cast

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Then pray for the duos

balmy star
#

@turbid needle what you think?

turbid needle
balmy star
#

i went w duo, seems like the obvious choice here

turbid needle
#

idk man, go with whatever you think works

balmy star
#

sorry for asking a lot

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im used to making decisions by myself but i love hearing others' more experienced opinions

turbid needle
#

it's fine man

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it's normal for new players to have questions

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I know I did when I first joined

opal vortex
#

I have 40+ clears and I am still barely starting to get a grasp of which boons I need to unlock whichother boons. haha

turbid needle
#

if you get lost with that you can always check the codex or the wiki :D

opal vortex
#

i do constantly

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I'm not complaining. Just saying this game can take a long time to learn

turbid needle
#

yeah for sure

forest marsh
split relic
#

Jesus

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U think I should try it for fun

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me struggling with 3 heat

cunning urchin
#

Sure!

jovial fulcrum
#

Stacking Butterfly on EM3 champions rainbow

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Stacking Butterfly on Tiny Vermin rainbow

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fu-

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Anvil in to Hazard Bomb Eris NotLikeThis

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on LC4

turbid needle
#

👏 NEVER 👏 TAKE 👏 AMIR'S 👏 REVENGE 👏 ANVIL 👏

opal vortex
#

So damn mad... just lost even with heart rend/splitting headache/low tolerance on FOUR heat.

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lost a 17 game win streak or something like that

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crystal clarity on top of it

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There's just no way I should have lost

cunning urchin
#

Practice, practice, practice. squirtnya

turbid needle
#

it's ok man, we all take L's sometime, even the best players mess up

jovial fulcrum
#

I somehow managed to lose all DDs against meg, take less than 30 damage throughout all of Asphodel and then limp through Elysium just in time to get FO2 chariots in almost every single room

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:D

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I just can't wrap my head around Rama

split relic
#

What does rama do?

#

Debating on whether to unlock it ornnot

undone lake
#

same, is it better than hera?

jovial fulcrum
#

the special tags enemies with a special status

undone lake
#

oh, ok. Thanks

jovial fulcrum
#

and then when you damage ANY enemy with your Attack, it deals up to 60% of that damage to each enemy with the Status

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(called shared suffering)

undone lake
#

!!!

split relic
#

So hera with extra steps?

jovial fulcrum
#

The attack does quite a lot of damage

undone lake
#

that sounds great! Is it actually that good, or is it more situational?

#

want to get into bow, but not sure if its worth it

split relic
#

Is it nice for boss DMG?

split relic
jovial fulcrum
#

It's one of the top high heat weapons, i believe

undone lake
#

awesome

jovial fulcrum
#

Rama, that is

undone lake
#

I used to be a shield only, but now that I got Arthur, I love sword.

jovial fulcrum
#

with a perfect charged shot it deals...

#

120 base damage

split relic
#

Jesus

undone lake
#

might give rama a go now, thanks

split relic
#

What's a good combo for rama

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Like how hera goes with crush shot

jovial fulcrum
#

Deadly Strike, Heartbreak Strike

#

The hammers are more important

#

You really want Triple Shot

split relic
#

So just do a similar build to zag bow

#

?

#

Like stack crit

jovial fulcrum
#

Sure

undone lake
#

just to clarify, you get rama by investing 5 blood into bow, and then talking to Artemis, right?

jovial fulcrum
#

Yeah. There's RNG on when she actually gives you the pass phrase but thats the gist

undone lake
#

thanks again!

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hopefully ill get it tomorrow!

jovial fulcrum
#

It's very good, just very awkward to get used to because the draw on the attack is quite a bit slower.

#

you really have to dash strike pretty much every attack

undone lake
#

ok, It felt that way with Beowulf at first, but now im used to it.

jovial fulcrum
#

Oh, its 125 damage for a dash-strike charge shot

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i was close

opal vortex
#

You're suppose to dash-strike with rama?

#

That makes sense I suppose

gusty rapids
#

honestly you’re supposed to with all bows

opal vortex
#

yeah it just doesn't seem like it does anything but I guess I forgot dash-strikes automatically do more dmg?

#

The dash-strike on melee weapons have a different feel to em. On the bow it's like you just moved a bit and did a normal attack

gusty rapids
#

dash strikes do less damage I believe actually, but they really shorten the charge time

#

of power shots

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which is incredibly nice

lime jolt
#

Yeah the longer wait time is not worth the damage

opal vortex
#

ill have to take a closer look i guess

tired snow
#

Wait the charge shot lowers the charge time? What? And where was I for this memo?

gusty rapids
#

the dash strike of the bow lowers the charge time

boreal prism
#

does forced overtime affect poseidon revenge wave speed

dusky drum
#

revenge wave speed??

#

you mean the ruptured thing(his curse)??

boreal prism
#

I mean when you betray him

dusky drum
#

oh yea im dumb

#

ummm

boreal prism
#

by picking someone else's boon in a duo boon

dusky drum
#

i dont think so

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since its not from an enemy but im not too sure

#

otherwise that would make those rooms borderline impossible

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like zeus revenge thing having 40% speed is just

#

sweats

jovial fulcrum
#

Athena would be, like, the only one you could ever take lol

#

Aphro heart with +40% flooshed

static karma
#

why is triple jab considered a bad spear hammer?

jovial fulcrum
#

because its not a different hammer, presumably

hearty elbow
#

It just doesn't actually do that much lol

#

You can't shotgun with it, at any range

#

It only improves your standing attack, but spear's standing attack is dubious at best

#

At worst, it's Guan Yu's, maybe the stinkiest standing attack in the game

split relic
#

Out of all the bow aspects

#

Which do u guys like

hearty elbow
#

I like them all. Rama the most.

split relic
#

Is rama best for high heat?

#

Also kinda confused on how it works?

turbid needle
#

the consensus is that rama is best

#

but all of them are effective

#

my personal fav is chiron

hearty elbow
#

Yeah, Rama is kind of just straight up the best in every way, except for accessibility maybe? It's definitely the least similar of the bows to the rest of the bows at least. The mentality is very different

split relic
#

What does it do

#

I heard it like focuses DMG or something

#

But idk

hearty elbow
#

So your special applies the Shared Suffering debuff for 7 seconds to whatever it hits. Things that are Suffering will take 60% of any attack damage that any enemy takes.

split relic
#

But doesn't that lessen ur dmg?

turbid needle
#

No, it's an additional hit at 60%.

split relic
#

?

hearty elbow
#

Rama's base dash strike power shot is 125 damage, and has excellent range and AoE (width, in this case). It's pretty trivial to line up shots that hit multiple enemies, and if they're both suffering, they get not only their own, but each other's damage, so in this case you'd end up with a 2.2x multiplier on damage

split relic
#

So it adds 60% more

#

?

turbid needle
#

Think of it as a boosted Mirage Shot.

split relic
#

Ahhh

#

So dmg is shared but also additive between enemies?

hearty elbow
#

The cost is that Rama's power shot is somewhere in the neighborhood of 2 seconds? (Not sure the exact duration) to fire off, which means that your positioning has to be pretty precise to make it work

split relic
#

Oh

#

Is it longer to charge than others?

cunning urchin
hearty elbow
#

Suffering gets calculated after everything else. At that point, it is a 0.6x multiplier for all damage everything gets from attack damage.

split relic
#

OH

#

huh

#

So like maybe marking a group of enemies, hitting a charged shot, and a cast or something be good dmg

#

Like dio cast or aphro cast

cunning urchin
#

somewhere in the neighborhood of 2 seconds
Spoken like one who plays Explosive Shot Rama way too much. dusa

hearty elbow
#

Sorry, corrected. It multiplies all damage everything gets by 0.6x, then the suffering enemy takes that

split relic
#

Ahh

#

Too bad it doesn't add a counter, and at the end of 7 seconds enemy takes all the dmg at once

hearty elbow
#

That would be wayyyyyyy worse

split relic
#

x0?6

hearty elbow
#

Things just die

#

As soon as you attack

split relic
#

Now?

#

Or with that

valid dagger
#

Now

split relic
#

Oh

valid dagger
#

Rama big chunks

split relic
#

I mean technically making it a counter is kinda the same

valid dagger
#

You could clear rooms with 1 powershot

#

If everything is marked

split relic
#

Jesus

#

Hmm I'ma watch some ramma gameplay

hearty elbow
#

There's plenty of pick from. Tailesque and I have a ton of videos up, check the sticky in #h1-high-heat-strategies for the spreadsheet

#

That's just for heat. Speedrun.com has a lot of speedruns for Rama as well, though to be fair the heat/speedrun mentality for Rama is pretty radically different, since with heat, you typically want Damage Control 2

split relic
#

kk

magic rivet
#

Rama's great

#

I stopped using Rama on high heat because it was getting too easy

hearty elbow
split relic
#

So I should be marking multiple enemies in a room and then damaging?

hearty elbow
#

Depends on if you have Damage Control hearts active, the enemy's health, the number of enemies, the number of enemies you can hit simultaneously, and the duration of the earliest enemies tagged (there's little point continuing to tag if you're close to 7 seconds).

tl;dr It depends :3

split relic
#

Oki

hearty elbow
#

As a general heuristic, yes. Always if you have DC active

split relic
#

Is dch a heat perk?

magic rivet
#

Yep

split relic
#

Cause rn I just got the extra prices and jury duty on

magic rivet
#

Extra blue hearts

split relic
#

For 4 heat

turbid needle
#

i wish zeus special triggered on every hit of chiron special

#

that would be epik

hearty elbow
#

You can extremely reliably get 2 procs off if you aim at an angle away from the enemy right after firing the Chiron special

turbid needle
#

yeah ik you get a couple but imagine all of them >:)

hearty elbow
#

Wow, yeah, Rama dash powershot is less than a second. Wtf why people be complaining so hard lol. That's so forgiving :3

split relic
#

Lol

valid dagger
#

I guess it feels like a lot when you first pick it up and you’re used to like Zag bow powershots or something like that lol

split relic
#

Is it just a bit longer than zag?

jovial fulcrum
split relic
#

Also is the area DMG shot ever worth getting

hearty elbow
#

Yeah I thought there was a huge difference between them, but Zag bow range is apparently 400-550 ms. Tbf that's like an 120ish% difference, but in absolute time, not really that much.

#

What is that?

jovial fulcrum
#

explosive shot?

split relic
#

Yeah I think so

#

Sorry I'm not good with names

hearty elbow
#

Oh, no, not really. It's fine on Zag bow if you have Deadly Strike

#

Same with Chiron and Hera

#

But it's kind of mediocre on Rama

split relic
#

Ok

hearty elbow
#

For Rama, you'll want Twin, Triple, Point Blank or Perfect Shot. Chain Shot isn't the worst as long as you don't have Triple Shot (Triple can normally shotgun but for some reason it just doesn't with Chain). Relentless Volley is fine if you have Drunken Flourish

#

Twin + Perfect or Triple + Point Blank are the dream combos

split relic
#

Oki

#

Also for heat lvls

#

Do bounties reset with every heat lvlm

#

Like once I beat 3 if goes to 4 and resets

hearty elbow
#

No, they reset with every clear as long as you clear at or above the listed heat requirement

#

So if you do 20 heat 20 times, that's still 20 bounties

split relic
#

Ahh

#

Oh

#

So i can clear heat 1 a bunch for mats?

#

On the same weapin

hearty elbow
#

No

#

The opposite lol

split relic
#

Wait nvm

#

So like clear at 1,2,3,4

#

For max?

#

In small increments

hearty elbow
#

That's one way to do it, but if you want to do 1 2 3 5 10 11 13 8 9

#

That works too

split relic
#

Y can I go down?

hearty elbow
#

Each clear just needs to be at or above the listed heat. And the listed heat goes up by one per clear

split relic
#

Ahhh

#

After 9 heat can I just keep going up?

valid dagger
#

Yea

split relic
#

Oki

#

So do that sequence for each of the weapins?

hearty elbow
#

Lol, my sequence was utter nonsense.

split relic
#

Oh

hearty elbow
#

I just said that for memes. 1 2 3 4... works fine

split relic
#

:/

valid dagger
#

Its not that specific sequence its just that you dont have to add 1 each time

#

you just have to be higher than the required or right at it

split relic
#

Ok

hearty elbow
#

But a lot of people decide they want to try a pact that say, for example, costs 2 or 3

#

So you end up jumping. That's fine.

valid dagger
#

so if your bounties are at 4 heat you can clear with 4 heat or 64 heat bouldy and you get same bounties

split relic
#

Ok

#

Ahhh

#

So u just clear at what it tells u?

hearty elbow
#

At or above :3

split relic
#

Oki :/

hearty elbow
#

If you're asking for me personally, I think I decided to unlock everything on my hell mode save using 25 or 32 heat only. But as we mentioned, the game doesn't care what heat you play at for bounties, as long as the heat you're playing at is bigger than the number on the bar lol

split relic
#

Oki

#

And casts don't matter for rama right?

#

Usually

valid dagger
#

Always lodge a cast for bosses so you get boiling blood going

hearty elbow
#

They matter a lot. Boiling Blood is 50% additive attack damage

split relic
#

Oh

#

Ok

valid dagger
#

I lodge casts in armored foes aswell

#

Its just free dmg

split relic
#

So keep infernal soul on?

hearty elbow
#

It matters more than on most aspects since every Suffering enemy will get 60% of the additional Boiling Blood damage

#

I like Stygian

#

I don't want to fiddle with collecting casts. Though honestly infernal is fine

split relic
#

Tru

#

AHHH IT COSTS 3 BLOOD TO UPGRADE IT?!

#

Rama

#

I just unlocked it

hearty elbow
#

It's just a playstyle choice. The optimization comes from the fact that Hermes has 1 less boon to offer if you're Stygian, so it makes it very slightly easier to get dashes/hyper sprint/whatever

split relic
#

PAIN

hearty elbow
#

It costs 15

#

Total

valid dagger
#

Yea I also hate lightning rod showing up

hearty elbow
#

The same as... most every other aspect lol. 5/15/16/15

split relic
#

Jesis

hearty elbow
#

Is how much every weapon's aspects cost to max

split relic
#

That's a lot

hearty elbow
#

Keep in mind that the more you play, it's easier to get stuff in a variety of ways. Prophecies are great early on, check the Wretched Broker in the lounge every run

split relic
#

Hmm I can't manage to land powr shot on rama

valid dagger
#

Yea it feels like that at first lol

hearty elbow
#

And take deals that convert to Titan Blood, Ambrosia, or Diamonds (since they can all be converted to Titan Blood)

split relic
#

How th is this powr shot so hard to hot

valid dagger
#

Dash strike if you arent, it takes less time to charge than normal attacks but you just have to get used to that timing

hearty elbow
#

With every bow, you want to dash strike the charge

#

Rama's timing is the hardest to land because it's slower, which is presumably why people shy away from it

split relic
#

Ok

#

Umm

#

Y did I find a poseidon boon first with artemis

#

And it only had one legendary boon?

valid dagger
#

Its a scripted run

#

You got the fishing boon?

split relic
#

Ye

valid dagger
#

Yea its scripted, altho idk what makes it proc, mine appeared very early, like 5th-6th run

split relic
#

Ye

#

Wut does it mean?

hearty elbow
#

Huge catch does what it says lol.

turbid needle
#

I generally only use cast for boiling blood or weak debuff

split relic
#

Heck

#

I just one shot the doomstone from half armor to nothing

valid dagger
#

Just rama things lol

split relic
#

Oh god I lost 2 dd on meg

#

And tis

#

And alecto

jovial fulcrum
#

RIP Smoldering Air pepehands

hearty elbow
#

Ya'll are haters. R O D

limber cloak
#

rod saved my 64 heat run

#

can confirm, best duo

hoary trail
#

Sounds easy

hoary trail
#

Why can I only get my heat to 59?

#

Confusion

turbid needle
#

you haven't unlocked extreme measures 4 yet

#

and the last 1 is exclusive to hell mode

#

you unlock EM4 through the contractor

#

@hoary trail

hoary trail
#

Ahhhjh

#

Oh well, j got to chamber four on 59 heat

#

I wouldn't stand a chance anywhere else lol

#

Thanks though

turbid needle
#

start low and go high homie

#

np :)

hoary trail
#

Yep

#

I just wanted to give that April fools challenge a go

turbid needle
#

ahh yes

honest wing
#

yea I wanna do that too now

#

max heat hell yea let's go

#

I think zeus shield is the way to go honestly

#

throw and block

#

and just don't die

#

and take divine flourish and just never die

turbid needle
#

the best way to go is whatever weapon/aspect you're best with :)

cunning urchin
eternal quartz
valid prism
#

Well, you can max everything but EM4 to have en idea

hoary trail
#

Thanks @cunning urchin

valid prism
#

EM4 or not, your chances to reach Hades remain the same: very low

tacit glade
#

Alright so uh

#

Is Beowulf, Zeus or Chaos best for a cast build

#

Or I guess just zag too

valid prism
#

Beowulf, obviously, considering each passive

gusty rapids
#

yeah lol def beowulf

#

no question

tacit glade
#

But doesn’t it say the cast empowers bull rush?

gusty rapids
#

well after using the cast, you get an empoewred bull rush

#

yes

tacit glade
#

I just got it so I haven’t been able to mess around w/ it but I thought that meant it consumes it

#

Oh

gusty rapids
#

or the bull rush with the cast in it actually

#

what it does

#

is that you load a cast into your bullrush

#

and upon finishing the bullrush, it flares out in an area around you, damaging enemies

#

beowulf's passive means that any bullrush that has the cast loaded in also has a bigger bullrush aoe and damage

#

its pretty good

tacit glade
#

Ah thanks

valid prism
#

Only 3 aspects invite you to rely on a cast build : Poseidon (sword), Hera (bow) and Beowulf

gusty rapids
#

well

#

achilles and talos

#

also give buffs

valid prism
#

Woops sorry

gusty rapids
#

technically eris too LUL

#

each weapon has a castspect

tacit glade
#

Tbh I just go with whatever I like. I specifically use a hunting blades build and don’t really try to speedrun so aspect isn’t exactly my first concern considering the main 2 gods already give decent buffs on their own

valid prism
#

So yeah Poseidon, Achilles, Talos, Beowulf, Hera

tacit glade
#

Alright

valid prism
#

You can use cast with everything but most of the time it's better to take advantage of the aspect's passive

#

But some passives are a bit weak or really difficult to get used to (I'm thinking of zag spear, Lucifer)

jovial fulcrum
#

Heart Rend Nem in Tartarus rainbow

tacit glade
#

The dps on nem gets insane after a bid

#

Bit

jovial fulcrum
#

That was a crazy nem run

#

Hyper Sprint, Rush Delivery
Double Edge, Hunters Dash
Heartbreak Strike, Heart Rend
DusaSticker

#

Also Unhealthy Fixation, which kind of carried the super dad fight

#

It felt like it went off quite a bit more than 15%

magic rivet
#

You just hit him a lot

#

Also, shield should be easy since you can deal a lot of damage with Zeus or Beowulf

jovial fulcrum
#

I tried it with Chaos and died to being tired pretty much

#

If I was playing better I could've won, but for some reason I threw in phase two

#

it was a stacked run too. Charged Shot chaos w/ purple zooz special and all that cowboy

cunning urchin
jovial fulcrum
#

great for heart rending too eyes1

#

I also had the projectile when you attack thing, now that I think about it

#

So thats like 4 chances per dash attack, yeah?

limber cloak
#

piercing + double edge

#

pog

stable compass
#

how do i unlock the hidden fists

#

i'm on 100+ runs

#

am i missing something

limber cloak
hoary trail
#

Ay, another fists person

#

I love the fists

#

🤛 🤜

stable compass
#

i see thanks

fierce bronze
#

Suggest a meme build for my 69th run

balmy star
#

hoarding slash

#

that's it

#

also only allowed one boon from any god

#

that is a good idea for a 69th run imma ask that once i get there

magic rivet
#

If you really want a thematic one, try to get as many Aphrodite and Zeus boons as possible

patent raven
#

Tried the 63 heat challenge. Died in the lounge.

balmy star
#

which boon(s) should i go for w guan yu?

#

never used it b4

magic rivet
#

Get Charged Skewer (A Hammer) and any high percent special boon

balmy star
#

so aphro or artemis

#

got it

#

ty

proven osprey
#

Yeah both these goddesses are amazing on Guan Yu

#

You can also aim for athena for the safety of divine dash

lyric obsidian
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any sugestions for a crit build with the gauntlets (any aspect)

valid dagger
lyric obsidian
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k thx

turbid needle
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athena is ok too

eternal quartz
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Phew, that Fool's challenge is intense! Was able to reach Meg and got killed like a fool... Chiron is alright, but too slow, as this was the only time I was able to reach her and many times I was simply out of time...

lyric obsidian
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Tru

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Time limit is brutal

turbid needle
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well you made it to meg, well done!

eternal quartz
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Thanks! My goal was to beat Tartarus, so reaching her and getting her health to almost 1/3 is a fine achievement for me 😉 Gonna try some more when I have some more time (pun intended...?).

limber cloak
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chiron is very bad once you have to take a bit of js/cp and td3

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the special anim slows you down so much

lime jolt
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The timer is super scary at max heat

limber cloak
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and it has no aoe, so your room clears will take a lot more time

lime jolt
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It’s what’s killing my every single time

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(And traps)

turbid needle
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traps HURT

lime jolt
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With one dash I literally step on traps every run

limber cloak
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baj almost finished 61 heat, but he died to timer on dad fight because of timer

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and because of the sack rng

turbid needle
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even harder for for pc players cos only queen moves

limber cloak
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i dont think it matters whether youre on pc or controller

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lol

turbid needle
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can controllers go in any direction

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for movement

lime jolt
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Yeah

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I think so

turbid needle
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cos pc only goes 8

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up down left right diagonal

limber cloak
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yeah, they can go in any direction, but that doesnt mean its easier to dodge traps with them

turbid needle
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mmmm I feel like having more precise dashes would make a difference

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but hey I'm not a controller player so idk

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make a difference for evading traps that is

eternal quartz
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Dashing with controller still needs proper execution, as I died from traps quite a few times...

limber cloak
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its more up to the player, rather than the method of input

eternal quartz
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Need to plan when and where to dash and in heat of the action it's easy to make mistake.

turbid needle
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gotcha

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for sure

lime jolt
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I’m also used to stepping on a trap and being like stubborn defiance will do its thing

turbid needle
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I never use stubborn

limber cloak
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"i only have 2 health, whats a 60 dmg trap gon do to me"

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stubborn is only if you take lc4

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which is common at 32 heat+

turbid needle
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ahh yeah that would make sense

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then u gotta basically hitless bosses tho sweat

lime jolt
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Sorta?

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Like bosses do have to be extremely clean

turbid needle
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I'm used to facetanking hades OmegaLol

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dw I'll get there one day

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facetanking with athena that is

lime jolt
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Without patty buff I'm normally two shot to hades, so I just play as safe as possible

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And acorn is broken

limber cloak
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or you can just be like me, and bribe hermes to give you epic greatest reflex on every high heat run

lime jolt
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I always get every useful hermes boon cancelled out dusa

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He likes giving me auto reload

turbid needle
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it's not hard to get 20-30% off plume either

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I think my highest is 24%

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add that to reflex

bronze marten
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does Athena/Aphro duo do +35 backstab damage globally in addition to the cast, or is it just for the cast backstab?

lime jolt
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Global

hoary trail
hollow wraith
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whats best cast for quick reload. was thinking aphro but it's awkward to use

lime jolt
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Zeus?

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Probably

hollow wraith
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hm could do but I got the bouncing spear daedalus idk if it's too much cc

mild raft
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So something weirdly specific but when using Hera, the attack hits first and then the cast right?

hollow wraith
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damn em4 hades is tough. It's like first time beating the game again. I can get him to third phase but by that time I have no revives and 50 health

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and I can't use my summon

honest wing
lime jolt
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no

mild raft
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It's modded in that case

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You can't pom chaos boons

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or sell them for that matter

turbid needle
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Can chaos boons rarity be upgraded?

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Ok

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If only :p

fierce bronze
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Huh

fierce bronze
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Apparently cant swear here

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Weird filter

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But yeah that sounds like a good meme build

split relic
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Amy way to build the gun to be good?

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I did a bit of a run with it and it seems meh

autumn steeple
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I managed to get 28% with the Pierced Butterfly ;-; Still not got 30%

limber cloak
strange lark
autumn steeple
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Really wish the Keepsake would count for the small rooms in the last level

strange lark
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yeah

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but if it did count then people would be able to get things like 80% damage buff

split relic
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What is eris aspect do?

autumn steeple
strange lark
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if you stand inside the rocket blast then you will get a 15% damage boost

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at level 1

split relic
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Ahj

strange lark
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level 5 is 75% damage